Jew and Palestinian - Is This A Land Dispute Or A Holy War? - Full Version!
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- Опубликовано: 23 ноя 2023
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Only a portion of this interview was previously uploaded due to a corrupt file. That episode has been removed. This is the full version.
Jason Olson, a Jewish convert, and Jabra Ghneim, a Palestinian convert, discuss from their own backgrounds and perspectives the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians.
How much of this conflict is a land dispute and how much of this is a religious/ideological war?
What exactly is Zionism?
What is the separation, if any, between Hamas and the Palestinian people?
Do the Palestinians need a new approach?
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It's awesome how the restored gospel makes everyone brothers again.
Totally
Amen
Such a breath of fresh air to hear the truth clearly spoken and articulated. It’s so interesting to see how beautifully the gospel of Jesus Christ allows history and cultures of many societies to live together in harmony. Great work in finding these two Greg🙌🏻
Superb interview, both guests were well versed and qualified to address this topic. I was especially impressed with the cogent, articulate insights expressed by Jabra Ghneim -- especially his wonderful application of Latter-day scripture. This is one of the best, thoughtful and balanced interviews I have heard on the topics. I hope you will have both these men back to continue the discussion. Keep up the good work, Greg.
I’m very grateful for this. Loved the history lesson along with the example of a civil conversation. Jabra and Jason, may God bless you both for your effort.
THANK YOU Greg ! Wonderful and insightful discussion . The historical background IS what most of the world is missing . These two brothers are the voice of experience , knowledge and spirituality . Thank you again ! This is the discussion I have been wanting to hear . I am going to recommend this to anyone who wants a balanced fair discussion of what has happened and what NEEDS to happen .
Greg,
Thank you for the full video, this was what I was hoping to see when you posted the interview with the Palestinian Christian. It shows both sides of the argument and bring the humanity back to both sides. We are all children of God, that comes first. Extremely well done in keeping the corrosive nature of political rhetoric out of the conversation while sill allowing guests express their views.
Thank you for this!
You’re welcome
Thanks for for posting this conclusion! It's been driving me nuts the last few days because I really wanted to hear the end. Thank you!
Jason seems a bit too confident about Israel being able to work with the PLO. The PLO gives a large cash payout and a lifelong pension to anyone who kills a Jew, or their family if they themselves die in the act. Seems like Jason saw a ray of hope in the Oslo accords, but until the PLO abandons this type of stance, there is no one for Israel to work with. Jabra is more pragmatic when he speaks of the PLO -- and it's such a breath of fresh air! But both these guys were great -- loved so many things about this interview. Thanks so much for putting it together.
I’m so grateful for good people like this who practice this “radical honesty” and who recognize where they have been wrong on their own and corrected it. This is the best discussion I’ve seen on this topic. I’ve been so sickened by all the discussions on mainstream media, and this is a breath of fresh air.
Thank you for the feedback!
Agree 💯! We need more fresh air to breathe!
Thank you Greg for courageously creating this content!
I am so grateful for all three of you and the wonderful example you show to the world and everyone individually. Thank You
Really good guests. Knowledgeable and honest, who are able to see things clearly. Thanks.
Greg, that was unbelievable! If people could come together like this in love and understanding recognizing that we’re all children of God they’re would be no more war and peace would abound. This message needs to go to all nations. Such a great spirit and discussion. It almost brought me to tears at the end because of power and love that was present. Once again, great job Greg! Thank you!
This was by far the best debate on the conflict I’ve ever heard! I’ve listened to hundreds of debates and videos and hands down this was the best! These men are incredible! Truly Christlike disciples!
Thank you for the feedback!
@@CwicShowu have any other videos which:
1. Another Palesteninan & non palestenian debate each other
2. Another Palestenian perspective besides the women palestenian which u interviewed.
@@CwicShowI would also scale down both governments to be more of a libertarian
Well, I can't help concluding it's both a land dispute and a Holly war. The elephant in the room being... the chunk of real estate the new temple will be built upon.
Awesome. Very worthwhile discussion.The descendants of Abraham should recognize they are family.
Thank you for getting the rest of the interview, you are the best. This was great interview.
This is a wonderful discussion. Truly a breath of fresh air. It reminds me of Albert Einstein‘s comment that the definition of insanity is to continue to do the same thing and expect different results. New thinking based on the gospel of Jesus Christ is the key.
So grateful for this podcast. Gives me some hope ❤ These are good men!
Jabar is impressive to listen to.
These two prove this truth: “As the preaching of the word had a great tendency to lead the people to do that which was just-yea, it had had more powerful effect upon the minds of the people than the sword, or anything else, which had happened unto them-therefore Alma thought it was expedient that they should try the virtue of the word of God” (Alma 31:5).
I loved this conversation. So much respect for these men. My great grandparents, Christian Emil Thomsen and Kristine Jensine Christensen Dyhr , were courageous leaders in the Danish Resistance Movement during World War II. Their entire family participated in the Resistance Movement. Their bravery and leadership are commemorated in the museum in Denmark. Christian was also the Branch President (I believe) of the church in that area at that time. Many members of the church in Silkeborg were part of the Resistance Movement. During a sacrament meeting, a German soldier, previously unknown to the congregation, arrived armed. Initially fearful of discovery, they were surprised when he expressed a desire to participate in the sacrament, revealing he had joined the church before the war. He was welcomed but asked to place his gun at the door. He did. Afterwards he went back to being a good German soldier and the rest went back to sabotaging the Germans. War is complex but the gospel is soooo simple. Love one another.
Brilliant interview. Your topics and approach to the subjects are informative and precious to our strengthening.
I think we could all be better at burying our weapons of war. I love the quote from President Kimball! Build up the Kingdom of God first, love our enemies, start 0:09 in our own hearts. The only things I can do is repent. Christ changes and redeems me. Thank you all for your powerful examples! Praying for all our brothers and sisters in this time of turmoil.
Great show, Jason and Jabra were amazing some much love and peace in their hearts made me want to be better. Thank you Greg.
You’re welcome
Great guests, so good to hear their perspectives.
I wonder if Jabra could answer this- I heard another person saying that Hamas leaders aren’t even Palestinian, but that they are Iranian. And that’s why they don’t care about building up Palestine as its own state and why they’ve been using all the money, they are being given to just build a war machine against Israel, rather than building an economy. Like I heard that they were given money to make improvements to its water system, but instead of doing that, , they dug up the poor system they already had and used the money and metal to make missiles. Is it that true?
Yes
@@joybischoff9558u also take into consideration that some palestenian non-muslim separate the Hamas militant jihdists & the Hamas party
It is amazing to see the opinions of a Jewish Zionist and a diasporic Palestinian collaborate rather than clash. That is the power of the gospel. I couldn’t help but feel that this conversation needs to make its way across the Middle East.
I wonder what kind of reach would be achieved if short-form content pulled from this video were translated or dubbed over in Arabic and Hebrew
So incredible! It takes humility for both to admit their own people's contributions to the situation. Loved all the head nodding when the other side was talking.
Kudos to Jabra! He has incredible wisdom. Love that guy.
So Jabra was baffled on how Hamas came to power. Greg was baffled at the campus demonstrations... Let me just suggest you study Saul Alinsky. His theory is that if you can find people that are dissatisfied, you can harness/hijack their energy and use it to propell yourself to power. Think of all the times the lamanites were "stirred up to anger". It is those who work in darkness - secret combinations - seeking to gain power and wealth by taking advantage of others misfortune. It is how Hitler came to power. It is behind all these radical movements we are seeing that are meant to create division.
An excellent conversation, really enjoyed it.
Did you see that son of Hamas addressing the UN where he stated the attacks were a birthday present to Putin? ☹️
Yes.
Great interview, thank you!
Powerful episode Greg.
I loved this interview. I roughly knew much of the history, but was enthralled by the guests’ retelling with clarity.
I would have liked a couple questions answered:
1. Because it has drifted into a more religious struggle or at least a struggle with religious ideological overtones, what role does Islamic and Judaism religious teachings vis-a-vis revenge versus forgiveness play in the final outcome? It got me thinking about two great books Les Miserables (redemption through forgiveness) and The Count of Monte Cristo (redemption through revenge); coupled with the overarching two great commandments of Christianity, Love God and Love Neighbor. Or the saying: An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth just leaves the whole world blind and toothless. Clearly these two love each other… I could feel it, it was palpable. Which bears the follow-up question: how do these two peoples change their tit for tat, back and forth, rocket for rocket, prisoner for prisoner paradigm to sit across from one another in mutually respected dialogue?
2. I would like to hear their perspective on the famous “Where are your Jews?” speech from the UN floor several years ago. It would appear from an outsider’s view like mine that ‘from the river to the sea’ is only possible as a Jewish state because they already show their willingness to integrate all ethnicities into society as doctors, lawyers, judges, people’s representatives, police officers, etc, etc.
I thought Jabra’s insights about October 8th were brilliant. Reminiscent of our failure to dissolve NATO after the Soviet block crumbled, which led us into the past and current Ukrainian debacles. Therefore question 3: now there is a ceasefire in place, could the Israelis re-establish talks with Saudi Arabia et. al and have a widespread consensus within the Abraham Accords?
4. What is the actual real reason why Arab countries won’t take in Palestinian refugees? Does it remove their ‘queen’ from the chessboard? Is it their ‘A few good men: “you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall” mentality’, as in no one can handle the truth that Islamic Arabs need the Palestinians in Israel to have a reason to hate the Israelis?
Wonderful episode! Thank you
I agree with Jason and Jabra, we just need peace. We need to look at each other as brothers and sisters. We just need the killing the stop. We should all have the LDS vision of Zion. Let us all be a "melting pot" of peoples, and kindreds and tongues. For we all are indeed brothers and sisters. Bless you all for sharing this with us.
Beautiful. Merry Christmas and happy Hanukkah!
"...it may take 100 years..." I hope peace will come in our lifetime. Our children are so divided. There is no peace I can see. God bless the Jews and Israel. God bless the Palestinians.
Boy I sure wish this topic would get revisited. I often guess why it’s not being discussed in this channel as of late. A lot has happened in the last 5 months, and I can help but wonder how America is supposed to go forward, with its relationship with Israel. I’m also puzzled by the blind and overwhelming support that the political-right has of the IDF.
We would do well to start thinking of this land as a "multiple state solution". This is Christ's land, and all who flow into it after His appearance will accept it as such. Isaiah 2:3-4 says as much. We can talk about this land in that way, and I think this discussion begins to get us thinking that way, so thank you, Greg.
Jabra was so fun to listen to and hear his thoughts. It was great to hear from the Arab love child of Mel Gibson and George Clooney.
Im sharing -!! This info that the Arab holy word says no Christian above them draws the heart to understand., much like all revere their own holy words. Father in Heaven is so Grand that we are to work out these family difference here on Earth. Not easy but necessary and it will be Accomplished.
Definitely not about land. They could have made Gaza into a beautiful, rich destination.
I think I'm having a Deja Vu or this is a replay, or..... :>)
First release was a corrupted file, only half the interview was available.
@@CwicShow ... Yes, I have noticed that, Greg. Thanks. Not uncommon for me to speak before hearing or talking in my sleep but I left the comment up for the old algorithm. lol
@@CwicShowits sad that even palestenian non-muslims are being denied permits sometimes in the year, I would completely abolish this checkpoints & permits including the line that divides the 2 states.
Great content! Thank you Thank you Thank you Greg for courageously creating all the content that you do!
These are very difficult times and there is no easy solution, but I believe that God is aware of all that is happening in the world 🌍 and that he sent his Son to save us. We are here to walk by faith and to learn to love and to shun hatred.
So I heard that Israel sould provide security to the whole area, B & C; and A should go away until Arabs can demonstrate trust to take on A. And allow that Israel has the right to exist as demonstrated in Oslo. And leadership in Israel needs to move from revisionist to labor zionism?
I believe in abolishing all of this security sections & abolish the lines between 2 states into 1 pan arab / pan Jew state.
Olson isn't a Jewish last name. Did you say He was Jewish? Another thought is both Jews and Muslims are living in the law of Moses eye for an eye get revenge and so on. That was not mentioned in the equation. Although Iriahs are Christians the wars they have had over Protestants and Roman Catholics and revenge or standing up for God religion and anger and hur to get back at those who have killed their friends and family their religion have taken precedence over peace. When people believe they are doing God's will peace isn't considered. Period. If Jews believe they must have Gaza and W. bank and if Muslims believe they must have it and both will be blessed by god to do so is their thoughts... they even risked their kids as sacrifices to be heroes with god and country and religious rhetoric
His Jewish heritage is through his mother. Judaism is matrilineal. His father was a Protestant.