I didn’t even consider the idea of using Sin-Eater for the next movie but he would actually be the perfect villain for Spider-Man to take on with Daredevil. They already said they’re planning to adapt a villain that hasn’t been used in live action and considering how the only hint of him we’ve even gotten has been in Spectacular Spider-Man the time is honestly perfect to use him as at least one of the villains of the new trilogy. I think it would be cool to bring Shocker back as a side villain for this adaptation but also Scorpion could fulfill similar role.
I'd love them to connect Shocker, Hobgoblin and The Blaze from Spectacular spider-Man #103 from June 1985. It could be a plotline about a series of copycat crimes.
Spider-Man overall should do like a batman echolocation thing from the Dark Knight movie, and make the series ABOUT something. Spider-Man should be about Spidey being seen as a villain despite being friendly, like spiders are, the way Batman deals with surveillance state. Use those themes to mkae the specific adaptation more substantive and not jsut a tale where anything goes, like monster of the week stuff.
And that works perfectly because both Tom Holland and Kevin Feige said they want to make this next Spiderman movie more grounded. This story would be perfect for that.
In my opinion I would like to see Spider-Man fight Sin Eater and deal with the ramifications of another masked person who views himself as morally righteous. It could make Peter reflect on his identity as Spider-Man as well as testing Peters morality.
Reminds me of the Punisher-Daredevil dynamic in DD season 2. Matt feels somewhat guilty that his Daredevil persona is inspiring all these violent vigilantes and feels somewhat responsible for what the Punisher does.
Making this the next movie would work really well but I would say scorpion has to make his debut in costume finally. You could make up the city thinks spiderman is somehow the cause of death or make sin-eater kill villains too, so people think viligiantism is the problem then have scorpion as a spider slayer get involved because its been 3 movies (2 technically but you get what I mean because the build up for scorpion should not be reaching the same time amount as thanos lol). Kingpin though would probably be sending the spider slayers, not Jonah and while disappointing it still works really well.
@@mandalorianhunter1 I really don't like Mac Gargan being the first host of venom in the mcu. A majority of fans thinks he is the worst host if not for that random rich kid that got venom in an auction once. At the same time though flash in the mcu sucks so no agent venom.
@@lesliejacoby9137 no what I was thinking he would be the third. The piece is still from Eddie and Venom so he is still the first host, then it goes to Peter then Max then Flash could get it. Hell maybe even Deadpool could get it
@@mandalorianhunter1 I still either way want a scorpion without venom first and possibly the whole film. Actually now that you mention deadpool I just realized in his 3rd movie they might address that symbiote piece as he is technically the first host comic wise.
I think they should introduce Jean in the next movie then do the symbiote and death of Jean dewolf in the 5th. Have Spider-Man fight off his anger and keep himself from killing Sin Eater and separate from the black suit
you know how DC will adapt their popular comics into animated movies like under the red hood and the long Halloween? I always wondered why marvel never tried doing that outside of planet hulk
Because they are owned by Disney. Ever since Disney took over with animation the shows have been getting more kid-friendly and straying from what they are adapting because Sony was dumb enough to give away animation rights with toy rights so now marvel is here to get kids hooked on designs not stories.
I know some of the stories deserve to be faithfully animated. Like I can imagine a storyline being adapted into a one season show and also shares the same name.
What I want to know is how they planned on adapting Sineater in Spectacular Spider-Man. Cause I doubt they could've done him murdering a bunch of people
I’m making a fan film that is adapting the comic because I’ve not seen a lot of people use this story so I decided I will do it. I’m actually making the script right now and it’s not one to one but it’s similar like some of differences are like miles is involved, spider man finds out about sin eater very early on and daredevil isn’t in it
It’s crazy how you’ve awakened like really old memory I remember reading this comic back in like middle school really enjoyed it and it’s really tragic
The moment I heard you talk about the Jean DeWolff comic, I ran to grab one of my comics and... damn, I got the first one one! I still need to read it, tho... Read the one I have before watching the video. I need to find the rest! It's a story with something of a grey tone of morality, with so many twists and turns and a subtle analysis on Pete's character. Little detail that wasn't mentioned was the character Ace Spencer, who was taught by a retired crippled soldier a lesson he learned in his campaign in Vietnam, all about NOT meddling into other people's troubles. Ace Spencer is basically the anti-Peter Parker and, in the bigger picture of this story, he's a red herring of who the Sin Eater is, which is just SO DAMN COOL. Could've been some random crook who crossed DeWolff's path, but nah, they went the extra mile and gave him character in an amount sufficient for you to want to know more about him (at least, IMO). Needless to say, it is so PEAK
I really liked the ending with Peter and Matt, where they both reveal their identities to each other and then discuss their differences. I think that Peter and Matt should be closer . They should be best friends .
Honestly, I think this will be a amazing story for Spider-Man five after he gets the black suit cause I’m beating up the sin eater will show how angry he gets with the suit and how angry he gets in general, and I think this is a great story to show the public in today’s society And also I can have scorpion in it or something some cooler stuff in between but have this be the A plot
I think the Sin Eater storyline would work better in a tv series than a movie. Introduce Jean Dewolfe in Spiderman 4 with Scorpion as the main villain that way we can spend time and develop her as a character. Then after, make a spiderman and daredevil series that starts with Jean's death, and have daredevil help spiderman. Also because its a tv series, this storyline can go full blown DARK. I want that infamous fight where Peter beats Sin Eater so bad he gets permanent brain damage. Tom Holland's Peter was stopped by Tobey from mercing Goblin. But with all he's lost in NWH and Jean getting assassinated, he finally loses control and Sin Eater is given an extremely graphic beating
Yep. The sequel was even better, I think (It was the BEST use of Electro, I think !). Too bad that they brought the Sin-Eater back. He should have stayed dead .
I think he would do better in the new daredevil series. The subject matter is too mature for a Disney audience. Make Daredevil track him down and then have spider-man show up in the final episode to put to an end. Peter can convince the police and Matt that he just needs help.
Wow! I appreciate this my G! I've never heard of it and I've literally never heard one person even mention it!? IDK how! Its just feels so real/grounded in reality compared to so many of the spidey escapades. Even the simple "token robber" mask with the double barrel shotty just felt so REAL! He was a Crook without superpowers but was a legitimate & arguably killed more intensely/ brutally than a lot of spidey's main villains! This is literally Great 💯🤘🏽🫡
Unfortunately we’ll never see this story come to light. Disney wants their adaptations to be a specific way (kid friendly). If they made animated films like DC, I could totally see this as an animated movie, but I doubt they’ll do that too.
It would be weird doing a Sin-eater story now since it would make people think that Marvel is ripping off The Batman, think about it, Sin Eater in this comic looks like The Riddler from that movie ans the story beats are pretty similar.
Yeah, Disney wouldn't have the cojones to even dare to adapt this into the MCU, and I doubt Sony would even be able to adapt this either without screwing the pooch given how messy and disorganized they are right now.
This is definitely not being adapted, too gritty for the Kid Friendly image Disney wants for Spider-Man Also I'm not sure if Spectacular was going to adapt it
It'd be so compelling if Jean was Pete's only friend after he erased Peter Parker from everyone's memory. And having him go through a "'Peter Parker no more" arc would be really interesting especially with Daredevil as a supporting character. Matt having already gone through a similar character arc would know the importance of not letting yourself go. Although I don't think this should be the next movie. Have the next movie establish and set up characters a bit more. Make Peter and Jean be real friends and not just co-workers. Then go through the Sin eater arc.
The sin-eater is a good villian for sure, but in that arc Peter is really out of character of what Spider-Man should be, he was willing to let Carter die
I don’t think he was written out of character at all. Spider-Man/ Peter Parker isn’t perfect. Jean Dewolff was one of Spider-Man’s best friends and this man literally murderer her and many other people. Spider-Man still saved him at the end of the day. But showing him being reluctant to save murderers is important to his character. He’s not perfect and I much prefer him not written as a Boy Scout who always knows what’s the right thing to do
@@spidermania Yeah but he save him cause Daredevil said his real name in front of a crowd, they should have been more specific making sure the reader would know Peter would have save Carter cause it's the right thing to do
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I didn’t even consider the idea of using Sin-Eater for the next movie but he would actually be the perfect villain for Spider-Man to take on with Daredevil. They already said they’re planning to adapt a villain that hasn’t been used in live action and considering how the only hint of him we’ve even gotten has been in Spectacular Spider-Man the time is honestly perfect to use him as at least one of the villains of the new trilogy. I think it would be cool to bring Shocker back as a side villain for this adaptation but also Scorpion could fulfill similar role.
that would be good. the younger spiderman fans that want to learn more can get a lot from this
I'd love them to connect Shocker, Hobgoblin and The Blaze from Spectacular spider-Man #103 from June 1985.
It could be a plotline about a series of copycat crimes.
Spider-Man overall should do like a batman echolocation thing from the Dark Knight movie, and make the series ABOUT something. Spider-Man should be about Spidey being seen as a villain despite being friendly, like spiders are, the way Batman deals with surveillance state. Use those themes to mkae the specific adaptation more substantive and not jsut a tale where anything goes, like monster of the week stuff.
Some set leaks even show Daredevil swinging on the set for Born Again. So maybe they will adapt it?
And that works perfectly because both Tom Holland and Kevin Feige said they want to make this next Spiderman movie more grounded. This story would be perfect for that.
An MCU Spiderman adaptation of this story would probably feel like a spiritual sequel to Winter Soldier.
I hope when Marvel gets it's groove back then I hope they do this story for a movie but Disney has to be ballsy enough to play it seriously.
In my opinion I would like to see Spider-Man fight Sin Eater and deal with the ramifications of another masked person who views himself as morally righteous. It could make Peter reflect on his identity as Spider-Man as well as testing Peters morality.
Would play fairly similar to the Batman and Riddler dynamic in The Batman, but idk maybe they could make it work differently for spider man
Reminds me of the Punisher-Daredevil dynamic in DD season 2. Matt feels somewhat guilty that his Daredevil persona is inspiring all these violent vigilantes and feels somewhat responsible for what the Punisher does.
Any story where Spiderman and Daredevil team up is peak
Making this the next movie would work really well but I would say scorpion has to make his debut in costume finally. You could make up the city thinks spiderman is somehow the cause of death or make sin-eater kill villains too, so people think viligiantism is the problem then have scorpion as a spider slayer get involved because its been 3 movies (2 technically but you get what I mean because the build up for scorpion should not be reaching the same time amount as thanos lol). Kingpin though would probably be sending the spider slayers, not Jonah and while disappointing it still works really well.
Yeah i agree, make him scorpion then he becomes venom later on
No scorpion as venom sucks ass
@@mandalorianhunter1 I really don't like Mac Gargan being the first host of venom in the mcu. A majority of fans thinks he is the worst host if not for that random rich kid that got venom in an auction once. At the same time though flash in the mcu sucks so no agent venom.
@@lesliejacoby9137 no what I was thinking he would be the third. The piece is still from Eddie and Venom so he is still the first host, then it goes to Peter then Max then Flash could get it. Hell maybe even Deadpool could get it
@@mandalorianhunter1 I still either way want a scorpion without venom first and possibly the whole film. Actually now that you mention deadpool I just realized in his 3rd movie they might address that symbiote piece as he is technically the first host comic wise.
I think they should introduce Jean in the next movie then do the symbiote and death of Jean dewolf in the 5th. Have Spider-Man fight off his anger and keep himself from killing Sin Eater and separate from the black suit
you know how DC will adapt their popular comics into animated movies like under the red hood and the long Halloween? I always wondered why marvel never tried doing that outside of planet hulk
Fr man, Imagine a Maximum carnage animated movie or adapting this or Kravens Last Hunt, etc
Because they are owned by Disney. Ever since Disney took over with animation the shows have been getting more kid-friendly and straying from what they are adapting because Sony was dumb enough to give away animation rights with toy rights so now marvel is here to get kids hooked on designs not stories.
They sorta used to but that was pre-disney
I wonder the same thing myself
@@smileysuburban8146 Or Dr Strange's the Oath
The death of Jean de wolf was a really sad tragic story and freaking amazing Spider-Man story in my opinion pun intended.
I know some of the stories deserve to be faithfully animated. Like I can imagine a storyline being adapted into a one season show and also shares the same name.
What I want to know is how they planned on adapting Sineater in Spectacular Spider-Man. Cause I doubt they could've done him murdering a bunch of people
Maybe have him instead use mental Clockwork Orange style torture to force the evil out of them?
I’m making a fan film that is adapting the comic because I’ve not seen a lot of people use this story so I decided I will do it. I’m actually making the script right now and it’s not one to one but it’s similar like some of differences are like miles is involved, spider man finds out about sin eater very early on and daredevil isn’t in it
Cool
It’s crazy how you’ve awakened like really old memory I remember reading this comic back in like middle school really enjoyed it and it’s really tragic
Ultimate comics? The tv show is not an adaptation trust me
It never will be its just using the name "ultimate"
The only similarities are peter's hair and the goblin's design
@@italianbmtboi and random story elements or designs like doc ock making the spiderman clones instead of jackal.
@@lesliejacoby9137 and the wolverine episode
Actually this story was partially adapted in the spiderman 3 movie video game
If or whenever Sin Eater shows up in the MCU, he better be treated as a major grounded character.
I think they could make a good animated movie with this. It could be like the Batman long Halloween kinda
This thing could be loosely adapted in the next MCU Spider-Man film
pretty sure jeandewolf appeared in spiderman 3 the game
This is absolutely amazing keep up the great work can’t wait to see more 🔥!
this is such an awesome video. such a good storyline.
Stanfield being Sineater would be so good
Spiderman gave that man the Batman treatment
Man I would love this so much
The moment I heard you talk about the Jean DeWolff comic, I ran to grab one of my comics and... damn, I got the first one one! I still need to read it, tho...
Read the one I have before watching the video. I need to find the rest! It's a story with something of a grey tone of morality, with so many twists and turns and a subtle analysis on Pete's character.
Little detail that wasn't mentioned was the character Ace Spencer, who was taught by a retired crippled soldier a lesson he learned in his campaign in Vietnam, all about NOT meddling into other people's troubles. Ace Spencer is basically the anti-Peter Parker and, in the bigger picture of this story, he's a red herring of who the Sin Eater is, which is just SO DAMN COOL. Could've been some random crook who crossed DeWolff's path, but nah, they went the extra mile and gave him character in an amount sufficient for you to want to know more about him (at least, IMO).
Needless to say, it is so PEAK
I always thought Kraven’s Last Hunt would make an amazing R rated movie for Spider-Man.
Indeed the Child Within and Best of Enemies have never been adapted. Moving on
Bro woke up and decided to cook
I really liked the ending with Peter and Matt, where they both reveal their identities to each other and then discuss their differences. I think that Peter and Matt should be closer . They should be best friends .
Do this for 'The Child Within' please.
This has never been adapted
Spider-Man 3 video game 😢
Honestly, I think this will be a amazing story for Spider-Man five after he gets the black suit cause I’m beating up the sin eater will show how angry he gets with the suit and how angry he gets in general, and I think this is a great story to show the public in today’s society And also I can have scorpion in it or something some cooler stuff in between but have this be the A plot
This is an underrated video
THANK YOU
I LOVE THAT STORY
ALSO, THATS THE STORY WHERE DAREDEVIL FIGURED OUT SPIDER-MAN'S IDENTITY
i love sin-eater, probably my top 3 spider-man villains. hope he gets a good adaptation by someone soon
hey, u should make a video about what you want for spider-man 4 with tom holland, it could be really cool
with the last movie having Spider-Man almost killing a villain I think this story would be re-treading that ground too soon for the next movie.
They will never use sin eater in a movie. Ill be shocked if they do
3:18 Spider-Man got that dump truck
Also sin eaters shield story sounds awfully similar to sergeant Hatred, I’m guessing McCulloch and Doc Hammer are also fans of this Spider-Man comic
I dunno. Would Sin Eater be too dark for a Spider Man film? This villain is literally a serial killer.
I think the Sin Eater storyline would work better in a tv series than a movie. Introduce Jean Dewolfe in Spiderman 4 with Scorpion as the main villain that way we can spend time and develop her as a character. Then after, make a spiderman and daredevil series that starts with Jean's death, and have daredevil help spiderman. Also because its a tv series, this storyline can go full blown DARK. I want that infamous fight where Peter beats Sin Eater so bad he gets permanent brain damage. Tom Holland's Peter was stopped by Tobey from mercing Goblin. But with all he's lost in NWH and Jean getting assassinated, he finally loses control and Sin Eater is given an extremely graphic beating
This seems cool so it's definitely not going to be made my disney or sony.
Yep. The sequel was even better, I think (It was the BEST use of Electro, I think !). Too bad that they brought the Sin-Eater back. He should have stayed dead .
The dark one with craven do it already
I think he would do better in the new daredevil series. The subject matter is too mature for a Disney audience.
Make Daredevil track him down and then have spider-man show up in the final episode to put to an end.
Peter can convince the police and Matt that he just needs help.
Wow! I appreciate this my G! I've never heard of it and I've literally never heard one person even mention it!? IDK how! Its just feels so real/grounded in reality compared to so many of the spidey escapades. Even the simple "token robber" mask with the double barrel shotty just felt so REAL! He was a Crook without superpowers but was a legitimate & arguably killed more intensely/ brutally than a lot of spidey's main villains! This is literally Great 💯🤘🏽🫡
A spider-man movie or cartoon that ends with the villain committing suicide by cop, I can see why it wasn’t adapted yet though I wish it would
What is the name of the sin-eater spider-man comic issues he is talking about?
Imagine the death of sineater in spectacular spiderman
Gotta love gritty spider-man
Only occasionally though. All gritty all the time doesn't feel like Spider-Man
Been saying this for years. There's a whole catalog to pull from. Someone's dad fucked up really bad not showing them anything.
I’ve been saying this for 3 damn years it’s shameful they haven’t
You should review Spectacular spider-Man #103 from June 1985.
Not a bad idea that’s a pretty good story
Unfortunately we’ll never see this story come to light. Disney wants their adaptations to be a specific way (kid friendly). If they made animated films like DC, I could totally see this as an animated movie, but I doubt they’ll do that too.
It would be weird doing a Sin-eater story now since it would make people think that Marvel is ripping off The Batman, think about it, Sin Eater in this comic looks like The Riddler from that movie ans the story beats are pretty similar.
10:33 what movie is this scene from?? Is that a deleted scene from NWH or something?
Yup!
How would you feel if the Sin Eater was the main villain for the Amazing Spider-Man 3 video game instead of Carnage ?
Yeah, Disney wouldn't have the cojones to even dare to adapt this into the MCU, and I doubt Sony would even be able to adapt this either without screwing the pooch given how messy and disorganized they are right now.
seems like the real villian of this story is shield. why did they drug him?
Genius mcu adaption and casting
does Spider-Man 3 game count?
Random question
Is spiderman using the black suit because of the symbiote or is it just the cloth one?
It’s a cloth suit
cloth
I hope spectacular Spider-Man is revived likxmen
Jean DeWolf death arc is too dark, Sony and Disney will never adapt it and if they do it they gonna take all the intense moments to make it PG-13.
I get why a character death wouldnt end up being adapted.
Man wean Stand say spider man has not gone enough he almost sound like sineater
It’s so freaking good! Spectacular Spider-Man was really the greatest
@@spidermania yep it was
3:19 👀👀
I do love dat comic
This is definitely not being adapted, too gritty for the Kid Friendly image Disney wants for Spider-Man
Also I'm not sure if Spectacular was going to adapt it
Kraven's last hunt is better in my opinion.
Shit sounds fire
It'd be so compelling if Jean was Pete's only friend after he erased Peter Parker from everyone's memory. And having him go through a "'Peter Parker no more" arc would be really interesting especially with Daredevil as a supporting character. Matt having already gone through a similar character arc would know the importance of not letting yourself go. Although I don't think this should be the next movie. Have the next movie establish and set up characters a bit more. Make Peter and Jean be real friends and not just co-workers. Then go through the Sin eater arc.
That would be Peak
The death of Jean Dweolf is a fantastic story and Sin Eater is great villain Peter David is always amazing
I never really cared for it as a read
*have*
Grammatical error
Not exactly, it was sort of adapted in the Spiderman 3 tie-in game with pretty meh results.
They should most definitely adapt this story in MCU Spider-Man 4 and it's also a way to set up Eddie brock Venom
Brinstar Depths from Metroid in its Melee version works well as music for this comic storyline.
This story does not fit the MCU, however I believe it could fit the Sony universe
The Death of Jean DeWolff is definitely too dark for any Spider-Man cartoon or the movies.
*Promo SM*
I made this same video a year back! love it if u checked it out
The sin-eater is a good villian for sure, but in that arc Peter is really out of character of what Spider-Man should be, he was willing to let Carter die
Potentially the symbiote. I know back then it didn’t work like that but this might have been the start of it
@@shaggy3741 I think that he was wearing the black suit Black Cat give him, I'm not sure tho
I don’t think he was written out of character at all. Spider-Man/ Peter Parker isn’t perfect. Jean Dewolff was one of Spider-Man’s best friends and this man literally murderer her and many other people.
Spider-Man still saved him at the end of the day.
But showing him being reluctant to save murderers is important to his character. He’s not perfect and I much prefer him not written as a Boy Scout who always knows what’s the right thing to do
Yes it’s the suit black cat gave him
@@spidermania Yeah but he save him cause Daredevil said his real name in front of a crowd, they should have been more specific making sure the reader would know Peter would have save Carter cause it's the right thing to do
Third
Or second
Actually mid.
Mid.
Lame