I'm sick of people saying technical music has no soul because they don't do long bends and make emotional faces when they do vibrato. Just because you don't get a good feeling from it doesn't mean they didn't put feeling into it, or that the fans don't get one. These guys pour their hearts into their playing. Give them the respect they deserve.
Exactly. I think it's because blues fanboys are musically close minded. The harmonic minor, phrygian and phrygian modes don't appeal to them and that's okay. But saying technical playing has no soul because they don't like it is ridiculous. They won't say that to Franz Liszt, Mozart and Bach, partially because they're dead and partially because they are universally studied and held in high regard. Metal, especially technical death metal is a relatively small niche so an outsider may not appreciate the nuance and passion and soul put into it. Imagine them saying a sitar player, shamisen player or Andalusian guitarist has "no soul" while they have zero love of different music genres.
@@technicaldeathmetalhead bravo this guys wont know how to appreciate some classical musicians ,im a yngwie , shrapnel ,greg howe ,satch , trash megadeth ,lover i can appreciate how much focus ,emotion goes into coming up with pieces ,mind boggles me what pieces bach vivaldi , paganini came up with 300 yrs ago n with absolute articulation , this ppl are just mainstream bruno mars , justin beiber ,elvis ,beatles Uk got talent types , takes time for them to understand a music player mate \m/ n in fact im born in 70's haha howsz that n i learn some of neo-classical stuffs but struggles with paul gilbert's super fast stuff lo
@Spoohkybooh666 the ironic thing is yngwie had amazing vibrato, far greater than any of his haters. And what's funnier, if anybody is trying to put down your guitar skills, and you show them a video of you playing a yngwie solo the argument is over lol. Usually this situation happens if I called somebody over rated or call a bad performance a bad performance, people. You're not allowed to express your opinion on the internet about anything unless you're a pro, and thy can say what they want but they all have to respect his skills.
"When I play, I don't think, well now I sweep, now I tap, etc. I look for the note I need to play and I find a way to play it." - Christian Muenzner Christian Muenzner changed the way I play guitar and made me a much better player. I've learned so much from him. Stefan Kummerer is amazing too. I love his vocals and lyrics. He's an incredible song writer and an amazing guitar player. I'm so excited this duo has reunited!
@Anant Raman and was in Spawn Of Possession for their Incurso album. He also was a very early member of Defeated Sanity. If only Muhammet from Necrophagist allowed Christian creative freedom on Epitaph... that third album could have actually happened... either way Christian is extremely talented and creative. Omnivium was Obscura’s best album in my opinion, obviously Christian played a huge role here.
+Josh Schulz Gorguts is actually from Canada (although most of the members of the band's current line-up are American). I'd say that not only is Gorguts one of the best tech death bands but also one of the best metal bands in general (right next to Death, Cynic and Agalloch).
Dude I just busted out laughing cause that’s so true. I can get through several their songs at about 80-90% speed. Takes a while for me but man it’s worth it. The solos though? I’ve learned one and am lucky if I can get it well at 50-60% and they’re very hard to learn. I’ve learned so much though and their music is just so fun to play.
This playthrough inspired me as a 16 year old to learn this song, and now 9 years later (2 years after last playing regularly) has reinpassioned me to play this again.
The way Christian plays is so effortless. I am vastly intrigued by the way his left hand rests and moves and facilitates the very accuracy of his playing. His style on that hand is very different than what I've seen in this genre before...he uses his pinky a LOT more than I would expect a techdeath player to. It's almost as if he is doing so with purpose. Amazing.
Christian suffers focal dystonia in his left forearm, which leaves him unable to use his middle finger normally, that's why he uses his pinky a lot more and minimizes hand movement when playing
+Lucas Jenkins Yeah he's a beast. I remember him saying on some interview that he's actually regained most of his control in his left hand but he still plays like that because he realised it sounds better.
yes way. he's a very stubborn man... and thanks to that, he's inspired many other players with hand disorders such as focal dystonia and carpal tunnel;, myself included, to keep trying and never give up playing. He had to rewrite his solos on this album to accommodate the disorder as it flared up in earnest after writing the album but before hte recording process. I don't know what the original riffs/solos sounded like or looked like, but knowing him, they sounded exactly the same, just with less tapping. Of note, I was on the verge of selling all my equipment and giving up music, until I saw this video... I fig'd that if he could overcome losing use of a finger, and still play the most complex leads, I could get over my pins and needles in my left hand, make some adjustments and keep playing... of all the music I wrote up til my wrist failed, only two give me problems still to play, and one I can play once a day, the other wasn't a complete song anyways, and I wasn't really sold on it since it was a bit out of my usual style. But yea, these days Chris has better control of the focal dystonia and even manages to use the finger on some things, but it still curls up when he does some chords requiring fretting multiple strings with the index finger...
@juna wood i will so that i can finally do the alt picked string skips in the main riff in septuagint instead of downpicking them good practice makes perfect
I have had the 3 LPs from them for a while, but I can't stop listening to them. For the past 2 months listening to music is synonomus with listening to Obscura
The solo is something only Christian can pull off, at 2:10, he is using 4 finger pulloffs, i couldnt figure out the notes, but by seeing this playthrough i now understand, he has a super pinky.
@@j.pabloquinche3283 nah man, the OP is referring to the diminished line which Christian exclusively uses his left index and pinky as well as his right middle and pinky to tap the line. Slow the clip and you’ll see what I mean.
@@thecrypticstench i wonder if in modern times Christian Muenzner changed up his fingerings for some of this stuff. He had to quit Obscura for a bit to lower his workload because he started developing focal dystonia in his left hand which affected his ability to use his pinky
2:49... my mind just blew... That's just marvelous, thanks for uploading this, seriously, watching this makes me feel so good that there is still real musicians making real music.
Just to answer those questions in one post: The guitars used in this video are: Münzner: Ibanez RGD 2127Z and Ibanez JEM 77 BFP. Kummerer: RAN Custom model (based on the 80's Hondo H1 Death Dagger).
I bet it pisses Steffen off everytime someone mentions how awesome Christian Muenzner is in this video. I mean it's true, Chris is awesome, and I dgaf who get's mad :D
The worst thing about it is that Steffen's rhythm lines are actually harder throughout most of the song IMO. I started learning it and mostly stuck to Christian's track for that reason.
To those that say they don't use the 7th string, they do on several songs in Omnivium. It's on Ocean Gateways, Euclidean Elements, Velocity, A Transcendental Serenade, and Aevum. That's more than half the album, then eh?
Wow those riffs and melodies are more complex that I could imagine. Hate to say this but who needs a new Necrophagist album anyway when we have these guys?
Steffen is using his own Ran Guitars custom he had built for him. Christian is using an Ibanez RGD2127z for the rhythms and an Ibanez JEM-77 BFP for the lead part.
Is it just me or is the melody after the solo slightly different from the album version? The arpeggiated pattern had more resolve while this one seems a bit more abstract and intentionally dissonant
It's because there's no harmony layer like there is on the album, which leaves out the 'sense' of melody where really it's just two dissonant parts harmonised.
Steffen is playing a Ran guitars custom he got built for him. Christian is using an Ibanez RGD2127z for the rhythm and an Ibanez JEM-777 BFP for the solo.
I have visited your website and tried to order the tab book for the Omnivium album but i've noticed that it is out of stock. Are you ever going to restock? This is one of my favourite albums ever and i would really enjoy to play the songs from it...
I didn't know if you read the title, but it's clearly just an instructional video. It's ment to be clear and easy to understand. If you want emotion go see them live or something.
Hey there everybody. ..recently got a ibanez rg2620ze with wizard hp neck...though i use the classical posture with a strap I get a nasty pain in the centre of my wrist every time I play power chords or anything with a 4 or 5 fret stretch...I'd appreciate your help on this...Thanks. ..
It's a custom RAN guitar (I assume you mean Kummerer's guitar). It's based on the old Hondo H2 Death Dagger, but those are really, really rare. RAN guitars are quite affordable, though, for a fully custom guitar. In case you meant Münzner: He plays an Ibanez RGD 2127z for rythm and an Ibanez JEM77 BFP for the solo.
Official tablature books available at Sheet Happens
www.sheethappenspublishing.com/artists/obscura
I'm sick of people saying technical music has no soul because they don't do long bends and make emotional faces when they do vibrato. Just because you don't get a good feeling from it doesn't mean they didn't put feeling into it, or that the fans don't get one. These guys pour their hearts into their playing. Give them the respect they deserve.
Exactly. I think it's because blues fanboys are musically close minded. The harmonic minor, phrygian and phrygian modes don't appeal to them and that's okay. But saying technical playing has no soul because they don't like it is ridiculous. They won't say that to Franz Liszt, Mozart and Bach, partially because they're dead and partially because they are universally studied and held in high regard. Metal, especially technical death metal is a relatively small niche so an outsider may not appreciate the nuance and passion and soul put into it.
Imagine them saying a sitar player, shamisen player or Andalusian guitarist has "no soul" while they have zero love of different music genres.
Cheguei ligeiramente atrasado mas não posso deixar em branco... Belas palavras irmão. Falou bonito.
@@technicaldeathmetalhead
@@technicaldeathmetalhead bravo this guys wont know how to appreciate some classical musicians ,im a yngwie , shrapnel ,greg howe ,satch , trash megadeth ,lover i can appreciate how much focus ,emotion goes into coming up with pieces ,mind boggles me what pieces bach vivaldi , paganini came up with 300 yrs ago n with absolute articulation , this ppl are just mainstream bruno mars , justin beiber ,elvis ,beatles Uk got talent types , takes time for them to understand a music player mate \m/ n in fact im born in 70's haha howsz that n i learn some of neo-classical stuffs but struggles with paul gilbert's super fast stuff lo
@Spoohkybooh666 the ironic thing is yngwie had amazing vibrato, far greater than any of his haters. And what's funnier, if anybody is trying to put down your guitar skills, and you show them a video of you playing a yngwie solo the argument is over lol. Usually this situation happens if I called somebody over rated or call a bad performance a bad performance, people. You're not allowed to express your opinion on the internet about anything unless you're a pro, and thy can say what they want but they all have to respect his skills.
"When I play, I don't think, well now I sweep, now I tap, etc. I look for the note I need to play and I find a way to play it." - Christian Muenzner
Christian Muenzner changed the way I play guitar and made me a much better player. I've learned so much from him. Stefan Kummerer is amazing too. I love his vocals and lyrics. He's an incredible song writer and an amazing guitar player. I'm so excited this duo has reunited!
I totally agree. Beyond excellent musicianship.
Christian Münzner is amazing
@Anant Raman Yeah, he was.
Comeback 2020
Абсолютно!!!
@Anant Raman and was in Spawn Of Possession for their Incurso album. He also was a very early member of Defeated Sanity. If only Muhammet from Necrophagist allowed Christian creative freedom on Epitaph... that third album could have actually happened... either way Christian is extremely talented and creative. Omnivium was Obscura’s best album in my opinion, obviously Christian played a huge role here.
Absolute monster of a musician
and steffen kummerer does vocals with THIS. holy fucking shit. i cannot play his parts without even thinking ffs.
you need weed brah, jk, or am i?
NecroComet these guys write and perform all their material without the assistance of drugs or alchahol
NecroComet so if they can, everybody else can too.
Cole Dunham Exactly.
NecroComet Don't smoke weed guise.
i can't even believe how amazing christian is at guitar. it almost looks like he's not even playing the solo. his movements are so minimalistic
One of the best technical DM bands
fabian manua They also got their name from one of the best tech death bands.
Josh Schulz Their album
Matthew Etter They got their name from the Obscura album, by American tech death pioneers, Gorguts.
+Josh Schulz
Gorguts is actually from Canada (although most of the members of the band's current line-up are American). I'd say that not only is Gorguts one of the best tech death bands but also one of the best metal bands in general (right next to Death, Cynic and Agalloch).
William Ciluzzo You're right, Gorguts is Canadian.
The tapping solo with the whammy bar mesmerizes me every time. It's so beautiful.
Now I can devote the rest of my life to learning half of this song.
6 years later I still haven't learn passed the intro 🤣🤣
Dude I just busted out laughing cause that’s so true. I can get through several their songs at about 80-90% speed. Takes a while for me but man it’s worth it. The solos though? I’ve learned one and am lucky if I can get it well at 50-60% and they’re very hard to learn. I’ve learned so much though and their music is just so fun to play.
This playthrough inspired me as a 16 year old to learn this song, and now 9 years later (2 years after last playing regularly) has reinpassioned me to play this again.
This will always remain my favorite guitar playthrough.
So happy Chris is back!!!
The way Christian plays is so effortless. I am vastly intrigued by the way his left hand rests and moves and facilitates the very accuracy of his playing. His style on that hand is very different than what I've seen in this genre before...he uses his pinky a LOT more than I would expect a techdeath player to. It's almost as if he is doing so with purpose. Amazing.
Christian suffers focal dystonia in his left forearm, which leaves him unable to use his middle finger normally, that's why he uses his pinky a lot more and minimizes hand movement when playing
Holy fuck, and he still DOES ALL THIS SHIT??? NO WAY
+Lucas Jenkins Yeah he's a beast. I remember him saying on some interview that he's actually regained most of his control in his left hand but he still plays like that because he realised it sounds better.
yes way. he's a very stubborn man... and thanks to that, he's inspired many other players with hand disorders such as focal dystonia and carpal tunnel;, myself included, to keep trying and never give up playing. He had to rewrite his solos on this album to accommodate the disorder as it flared up in earnest after writing the album but before hte recording process. I don't know what the original riffs/solos sounded like or looked like, but knowing him, they sounded exactly the same, just with less tapping. Of note, I was on the verge of selling all my equipment and giving up music, until I saw this video... I fig'd that if he could overcome losing use of a finger, and still play the most complex leads, I could get over my pins and needles in my left hand, make some adjustments and keep playing... of all the music I wrote up til my wrist failed, only two give me problems still to play, and one I can play once a day, the other wasn't a complete song anyways, and I wasn't really sold on it since it was a bit out of my usual style. But yea, these days Chris has better control of the focal dystonia and even manages to use the finger on some things, but it still curls up when he does some chords requiring fretting multiple strings with the index finger...
Dude that's awesome.
Omnivium was a masterpiece of an album
its so frustrating that they are playing this song like it is just nothing. mad skills
Yeah, The song has crazy riffs
30 years of experience in guitar...and a real hardworking and passionate
@@tanchokdewan9020 i want their clean af alt picking technique
@juna wood i will
so that i can finally do the alt picked string skips in the main riff in septuagint instead of downpicking them
good practice makes perfect
@@lashedandscorned Low gain and a lot of compression will help
This solo is a true accomplishment to learn
Welcome back Christian
And this is why these guys are at the top of the pile…absolutely stunning.
I have had the 3 LPs from them for a while, but I can't stop listening to them. For the past 2 months listening to music is synonomus with listening to Obscura
The solo is something only Christian can pull off, at 2:10, he is using 4 finger pulloffs, i couldnt figure out the notes, but by seeing this playthrough i now understand, he has a super pinky.
He doesnt use the pinky
@@j.pabloquinche3283 yea he does. At 2:11 during the diminished line, the last note on the D string and B string are tapped with his right hand pinky.
@@thecrypticstench He doesnt, you can watch in live versions and the playability of the official tabs
@@j.pabloquinche3283 nah man, the OP is referring to the diminished line which Christian exclusively uses his left index and pinky as well as his right middle and pinky to tap the line. Slow the clip and you’ll see what I mean.
@@thecrypticstench i wonder if in modern times Christian Muenzner changed up his fingerings for some of this stuff. He had to quit Obscura for a bit to lower his workload because he started developing focal dystonia in his left hand which affected his ability to use his pinky
met them at a show, they are some of the nicest, most polite i have ever met. plenty of emotion live.
Still the most beautiful Solo that I ever hear in my entire life. Thank you so much Chris.
These guys have complete control over their arms and hands. And their minds.
Christian Münzner master mind in the 2 best allbums of obscura ,,, living up to the name
2:49... my mind just blew...
That's just marvelous, thanks for uploading this, seriously, watching this makes me feel so good that there is still real musicians making real music.
Looks like Christian is back on the menu, boys!!!
Just to answer those questions in one post:
The guitars used in this video are:
Münzner: Ibanez RGD 2127Z and Ibanez JEM 77 BFP.
Kummerer: RAN Custom model (based on the 80's Hondo H1 Death Dagger).
this song deserves a Grammy!
True
The complexity of the song is just ridiculous
You're right Don Ramon.
+Gabriel Chávez pipipipipipipi!
+Mikhail 0. IKR, composition and execution.
ya llegó la tablatura chancluda
sebastián gamboa jajaja
These guys are releasing an album sometime next year, I am absolutely waiting to hear it.
I bet it pisses Steffen off everytime someone mentions how awesome Christian Muenzner is in this video. I mean it's true, Chris is awesome, and I dgaf who get's mad :D
The worst thing about it is that Steffen's rhythm lines are actually harder throughout most of the song IMO. I started learning it and mostly stuck to Christian's track for that reason.
Okay yeah the solo is crazy, but imagine doing that shit and vocals at the same time, id say its at least even lmao
I love Christian's solo in this song, both technical and soulful. It reminds me of Uli Jon Roth.
So beautiful!
String skipping 101.
More like String Skipping Honors IV
До сих пор пересматриваю, настоящее удовольствие от такого чистого и мелодичного звука,было же время)
OMG.. This is amazing, guys!! This is the best performance of death metal guitarists that I've ever seen on youtube!
I think this just shows how good steffen kummerer is, he plays all THIS and sings at the same time
that RAN guitar...awesome, amazing musicians too of course!
To those that say they don't use the 7th string, they do on several songs in Omnivium. It's on Ocean Gateways, Euclidean Elements, Velocity, A Transcendental Serenade, and Aevum. That's more than half the album, then eh?
This songs uses it for the tap section too
I agree with you. This is at least the thousandth time I've watched this video and I feel very good inside
Masterpiece!
the dynamic duo of our generation
one of the Best !!!!!!
Halla,what Ibanez is Christian playing?
Looks like id has ebony fretboard.
Probably the best sinature i ever seen !
holy Shit!!!! Amazing!!! Stefen and Christian are incredible!!!
Perfecto!!!
Incredible!
some really really clean playing
incredible -
I can’t believe that Christian is suffering from forcal dystonia. Too awesome.
That was incredible! Thank you for uploading this
Someone knows the name of the signature guitar from the right?
would definitely prefer this guitar mix over the original album mix
Agree... More loud and clear
This is amazing!!
Wow those riffs and melodies are more complex that I could imagine. Hate to say this but who needs a new Necrophagist album anyway when we have these guys?
Awesome!
loving that obscura inlay on the fretboard
thnxxx for your time and for the valuable info!!!
The guitar solo is awesome¡
The whole song is amazing!
Excelente, ¡Wow!
Chris is back!!
That fucking solo is something else.... wow.
Steffen is using his own Ran Guitars custom he had built for him. Christian is using an Ibanez RGD2127z for the rhythms and an Ibanez JEM-77 BFP for the lead part.
Is it just me or is the melody after the solo slightly different from the album version? The arpeggiated pattern had more resolve while this one seems a bit more abstract and intentionally dissonant
It's because there's no harmony layer like there is on the album, which leaves out the 'sense' of melody where really it's just two dissonant parts harmonised.
This is beautiful! Post more of these please :)
this is way beyond of awesome!!!!!! nice!
Damn that was tight
Steffen is playing a Ran guitars custom he got built for him. Christian is using an Ibanez RGD2127z for the rhythm and an Ibanez JEM-777 BFP for the solo.
AMAZING!!
Insane skills!
Maestros
I have visited your website and tried to order the tab book for the Omnivium album but i've noticed that it is out of stock. Are you ever going to restock? This is one of my favourite albums ever and i would really enjoy to play the songs from it...
I didn't know if you read the title, but it's clearly just an instructional video. It's ment to be clear and easy to understand. If you want emotion go see them live or something.
My logo I did for Marcus to Obscura keep the beautyness nowdays...
i'm in love ... with a video
This is so cool...I wouldn't get off my chair 'till I get this track....and Euclidean Elements
\m/ love this song.
Solo e música transcendental, além do tempo e espaço
You guys are so sick!
Amazing
Remarkably incredible! It's Amazing what they do... Congratulations!!\,,/
You guys rule!
Thanks for the vid!
Emotions are for the stage, sir.
I could have sworn a long time ago they had another Tablature Book Session video with Desolate Spheres but I can't find it. Was I just dreaming?
I once listened to this on acid. Greatest transcendental experience of my life.
Awesome
Hi, could you please tell me what guiitar is he playing in that video?? i mean trade and style, thnxxxx
The intro is called Septuagint
When will the Tabuature Book available again?
3:05 - 3:29 my favourite part
Terrifying! I'm scared of the tab for this song. I wanna learn it but every time I look at it my mind recoils in horror.
Hey there everybody. ..recently got a ibanez rg2620ze with wizard hp neck...though i use the classical posture with a strap I get a nasty pain in the centre of my wrist every time I play power chords or anything with a 4 or 5 fret stretch...I'd appreciate your help on this...Thanks. ..
Brutal...ya si eso...aprendo mañana a tocarla...solo tendré que gastar 1 cuarto de vida para ello... o más...
The book is out of stock :( , what about a second pressing?
How many fingers is Christian using for tapping in the solo?
As seven string guitars, what tuning do they use?
pretty epic shit right here
It's a custom RAN guitar (I assume you mean Kummerer's guitar). It's based on the old Hondo H2 Death Dagger, but those are really, really rare. RAN guitars are quite affordable, though, for a fully custom guitar.
In case you meant Münzner: He plays an Ibanez RGD 2127z for rythm and an Ibanez JEM77 BFP for the solo.
They have a tab book out! lol as it says in the beginning of the video.