Horobi death’s wail. Boardwipe tribal and can turn dorky draft chaff like liquimental coating into a continuous free kill spell… it’s scary. It’s also combo based for me. I run mindcrank bloodchief asention with syr Konrad back up. Plus you run a suite of reanimating spells and lands (Endless Whispers, Phyrexian Reclamation, volrath’s stronghold etc). Yeah it’s scary. It can even turn lands into kills spells (see maze of ith, urborg [the one from legends] Shizo, Death’s Store House etc). Also another nasty combo in the deck is unwinding clock. I’ve had games where it’s been three against one and I’ve placed in second
Things that cheat in big creatures can be scary. Rakdos lord of riots, Kaalia, Atla palani, etc. It’s not necessarily the commanders but what the commanders can cheat in that make them so threatening.
from personal experience, playing against cancer edh (cedh) is not fun nor interesting and if you had already doubts about your hobby, you will probably quit right afterwards. fun stuff!
I'm surprised Selvala, Heart of the Wilds wasn't mentioned. If I untap with Selvala on turn 3, or I get Lightning Greaves out to tap her the turn I play her, I'm almost always comboing out to kill all players. The deck is ultra consistent, and wins on turn 3 or 4 unless you have interaction. If you have interaction, the deck also has a ton of ways to protect itself/disrupt opponents. My Selvala deck trades wins with my friend's Najeela deck.
The commander I absolutely hate faceing not mentioned in the video is: slicer, hired muscle. They summon it on turn 2-3 then it has haste, double strike and pass it on to the next player mix that with commander damage I normally die bye the time he goes around the board once.
I have 1 suggestion for the "next attack" category: Vaevictis asmadi, i played him long time because i dont want to play Korvold and people still hated me out the game.
rachel coming onto the staff here has entirely transformed your content. these days i’m interested in every subject and find myself intrigued through the whole episode. very happy with her addition to the staff and her approach to MTG, it’s really taken your content to a whole new level. her impact is distinctly noticeable and a massive positive change for this channel. edit: kind of sad some of these replies started dunking on other people when that wasn’t my intention! stop pitting women against each other or comparing individuals to each other. everyone on the CZ team is epic. Rachel has just made some noticeable changes to the show since she joined on and that’s awesome of her. not a sleight to anyone else here. let’s keep it kind y’all ❤️
Yeah, she has revived, or at least coincided with the revival of, what I feel that the CZ has mothballed until recently, i.e. the in-depth discussion and ever-green topics, as contrasted by the product-specific episodes that have become more common in the last couple of years.
Really? I can't see it. She's fine, not bad but certainly not amazing. Maybe I'm missing something you guys are seeing? I miss having Jimmy and Josh together because of their chemistry. The shows become a walking infomercial for Magic anyway...
My #1 is Jetmir. I’ve seen people look at him and think “oh it’s 9 creatures I’ll be fine” and then I just play scute swarm and Hattie and they’re like “ah shit”
Top of that list for me would be the commander I would immediately add to this video; Elminster. If you hate Narset, this is Narset but more consistent & takes longer lol.
One that I just discovered that might qualify is Light-paws, emperors voice. Very deceptive in its power, not to mention, the "drawback" is a complete non-issue in commander!
@Bob Ross It used to feel like most episodes were reviewing sets, precons or revealing stuff for WotC, so Im also really happy with the 'evergreen' topics.
@@bobross8585 tbh its valid to be mad, bcz everyone should be mad at WOTC, (not Command Zone) for their scummy practice these past months (hell even these past years). And they are not done, wait till the LotR set comes out
Winota is strong, but she is also quite random. Like, for Winota to go absolutely bonkers, in a casual context, you need to have your (relatively few) nonhuman creatures in your starting hand and/or early draws and your big humans in your library, relatively close to the top but spaced out evenly so that you don't flip 5 in one trigger and then whiff for all of the following triggers. It rarely stacks up that way, at least not in a casual build. Depending on the board state, you can usually let Winota be for a turn or two at least, before she starts becoming tricky to deal with. She also doesn't come back as easily as other commanders (i.e. doesn't directly provide card draw and/or mana), and obviously her colours proclude a lot of the most broken shit you can do in commander. The bit you have to watch out for is if she drops something that can give a bunch of extra combat steps, double strike or lots of nonhuman tokens.
@@xxhellspawnedxx See the way you explained it shows you have played a ton of games with her. I haven't been a victim yet of a player flipping over creatures with extra combat steps, double strike thats not Embercleave!!! But the randomness is what makes her manageable..
@@Commander_Claw My build I think differs from a lot of others, in that I focus on humans that synergize. Soldiers, specifically. A lot of humans that create soldier tokens create non-human ones, which just fuel Winota more. Half the creatures in the deck are hasty one drop non-humans, the other half are humans that either make soldiers, buff soldiers, or are soldiers themselves (sometimes more than one of those!). The turn Winota comes down, I usually have two or three creatures already prepared to go - or you can be sneaky and have Winota come down first, all alone, so that she doesn't look like a threat - and then bust out two, three, or even four hasty creatures the following turn and attack immediately. I've gone from an attack like that into having about 20 creatures on board at the end of the combat phase, and then closing out the game the following turn.
So about Kalamax: you can't cast fork or reverberate without another spell on the stack. So an instant kill commander isn't possible without someone else casting a spell for you to target. Also harrow you won't sacrifice two lands. It's part of the cost so you copy the spell not the casting cost. So it's 1 land for 4
Edgar Markov. Eminence is always a higher degree of scary, and while you might be able to board wipe a few times to keep him down, black draw and any white protection means his army of vampires keeps coming back and swarming players down.
Reminds me where me and a friend did a two-headed giant EDH tournament with Tergrid and Tinybones, it goes exactly how you imagine it would. Magic as Richard Garfield intended attacking with 1/1's and 1/2's.
Jetmir has gotta be up there as one of the scariest. At the last persons end step blast a dozen tokens on the field, untap those lands play Jetmir and suddenly there's over 100 trample/double strike damage instantly. Can go from an empty board state to lethal damage to every opponent in less than one turn. White Suns Twilight, Rabble Rousing, Myojin of Blooming Dawn are all essentially instant wins with Jetmir.
A friend I play with has a krenko deck. Since he's not as experienced and hasn't played MtG for a long time, his deck and the way he pilots it isn't especially dangerous. But if he is the starting player and draws the Sol-Ring, it's almost certainly going to be a non-game if I don't have the removal right then and there. t1 sol-ring into possibly lighting greaves t2 krenko, equip greaves, tap krenko: goblin counter 2 t3 play anything that makes goblins (more than likely at least 3+ goblins) -A> tap krenko: goblin counter now at 10 If you then go into your own third turn, even if you find an answer to krenko now (or have the mana to cast it because you ramped turn 2), there's already a bunch of goblins out and you'll just die in combat in short order. But I do think, without a Sol-Ring, he is entirely fair unless it's a really low power table. The less interaction people run, the more likely it is that his board will exponentially swarm. But casting a krenko "fair" turn-3 seems entirely reasonable and gives players a lot of time to react and if nobody can do anything about krenko in a 4-player game for like two full turns, it's okay if they lose.
I actually believe Garson starn belongs on this list, with just one pinger and a few spells he can kill players insanely quickly, and being able to pay 1 or 2 to do 3 damage to each creature your opponents control gives him a edge over decks that rely on cheap creatures in early game or hordes.
I made a spellslinger / Storm deck with him and yes. The game will end quickly if not dealt with. Not only does it do direct damage but it also can function as creature removal effectively
He, and many other commanders, are powerful, but not usually KoS scary. Like, he doesn't directly provide mana or card advantage. If he's knocked down a couple of times, he usually stays down, and without a very specific set of goblin combo pieces, that deck is dead in the water. This sits in stark contrast to the Golos wannabe's who provide unrivalled card and/or mana advantage pretty much as soon as they hit the field, i.e. Chulane and Korvold.
@@xxhellspawnedxx I play with a lot of protection for krenko and ways of doing his ability multiple times per turn. Sure Krenko is susceptible to board wipes, but what commander isn't? I don't play my goblin deck much because its not fun for my meta or my LGS meta. All i really need to win in for this deck is card draw and protection for krenko. Obviously supporting goblins go a long way, but to say Krenko is not a KoS commander is an L take for you and the command zone.
This is a list of the most strongest, un fun commanders to play against. It's not the "meta" whatsoever. Your meta depends on who and where you play lol.
As a Prosper main, I can confirm he pops off REALLY hard. If people aren't careful, he can have 30 minute uninterrupted turns that just never seem to end. Woe to all if Etali also gets going on top of that. Edit: I was being hyperbolic with the "30 minute" figure. My b. Somehow didn't realize it would be taken literally. Lol
I play my Prosper list very differently. I have him built to specifically use my opponents' decks - by exiling their cards to play with. He has no real way to win on his own, and thus becomes as weak as the other decks at the table. I find this a really fun way to play him, and he doesn't take as long of turns usually (maybe 2-5 minutes once he gets going, but never 10+).
I 100% agree with Omnath lol. I had a game *last night* where by T4 i was dropping 2-3 lands per turn, had a felidars retreat + ancient greenwarden out and was buffing my entire board and doubling all my triggers.. The deck goes brrrr
No, but it is as easy as cast a Sorcery, hold priority to cast Fork targeting the Sorcery, profit. Or have a way to give something Flash, just so you *can* attack first.
@@TheComicBookJoker yes it's just not as simple as attack and cast fork which is what they made it sound like. You either have to wait till post combat, do it precombat, or have a way to cast a sorcery during combat or bank on an opponent interacting during combat
prosper is one of my favorite decks and it always blows me away that my play group rarely ever deals with it immediately. usually it leads to them having to completely dismantling my board 2-3 times if they want to stop me.
I came here to comment this. I have a Negan deck that revolves around blinking Negan, sacrificing opponents creatures and making multiple treasures per creature that gets sac’d and nearly every game I play, I have the whole table gunning for me from start to finish, and I win more often than not
For me, it’s anything that is Izzet. In any other color combo, wincons tend to be telegraphed and you don’t have to feel bad focusing them. I have never played against an izzet deck that doesn’t just delete everyone in a single turn. AND THEN people don’t believe when you tell them that the jhoira player is the threat when someone else has a 10/10 on board-it’s just ridiculous.
So i just wanna throw one that seems niche up until you really play against a good brew for it (mainly because my friends hate this deck). Liesa, Shroud of Dusk from Commander Legends. She has, quite consistently, out valued in a unique way where simply trying to remove her would be too punishing and dangerous, and she can quite easily control your opponents ability to play the game with juat one or two spells from you. And she can almost never die, due to her command tax being replqced with life loss.
@@nerd2death899 Thanks man! No worries, I'm all for expensive decks. If something is expensive like out of question I'll ask for a replacement if you let me.
You were really really REALLY over hyping some of these commanders like Yidris. Even if you build a deck with a lot of cascade, most of those spells are overall mediocre or just bad. Sure you get a few free spells, but one wrath of god and all that value is gone and if the Yidris deck hit other permanents that cascade... Well, those enchantments are super bad on their own and no one will even care.
The best way to deal with these decks...is to play these decks. Sounds weird, but think about it, tergrid isn't that scary in a pod with elfball, narset, and urza. All the decks are scary. So, none of the decks are scary. So if someone insists that they want to play their Urza deck, say "cool." And then slam Chulane on the table. That's the best aproach imo.
I remember I tried to build "The Fair Urza" when he first came out... Lol my friends still rib me about it. I just now embrace how broken he is and play all the stax pieces and infinite mana (at an appropriate pod/table of course.)
@MarvelousMorg lol true, but honestly I've been brewing allot of these but much lower power levels so I'm not THAT guy at the table and I even build decks for my friends and give it to them so we can all have fun together on a similar power level 🙌
Another point I've seen that makes Omnath just so damn good is Mutate. You can mutate a non-legendary creature onto Omnath and make copies of it and it copies the abilities acquired from Omnath, so you just have a metric crap-ton of Omnaths and just super out value your opponents.
So then the question becomes, what commanders do you like playing against? A lot of these cards will make you think you're in for a bad time, but how do you know you're in for a good time? 😬
You are in for a good time if you can at least foresee that the game is winnable, that hope is sustainable and prolonged, and if all players can take part in that feeling of hope, then everyone can have a good time, even the ones who eventually lose... losing isn't always that bad if the game was close.
Honestly the answer is fairly easy - anything that isn't played that often and isn't in the scariest list. The best games are the games that surprise you, and agreeing on jank with your playgroup (usually keeping your budget below $60 or $75 including the commander) makes the most fun games.
Scary commanders in my area, Ruxa, mono green token deck that can win with commander damage. Kennerth the Returned King : Goes infinate with a ham sandwich. OG Atraxa both superfriends and proliferation variants.
Maybe it's just me but I def don't subscribe to the "why did they make this card/don't print this again" mentality. They have full sent the format which is great- it gives you full customizable access to whatever playstyle you want. If you don't want to deal with xx power level (i.e. najeela) just say that in the power level talks. Worst case someone lies about power level (small-D energy) and you never play a weak deck against them again. I just think it's nice to give options for multiple levels of "power" to build around. Commander is fun, just don't be a dick and drop the korvold at a table playing 6-7ish decks
I like how there are so many “Scary” commanders now. You can easily play a pod where everyone plays a scary commander and those can be some of the most fun swingy games to play. My friend group normally closes the night out with the strongest commanders vs each other. Koma, Chulane, Prossh, Yuriko, Xenagos, Sythis, Urza.
I honestly feel like Jodah the Unifier is far worse than Chulane, unlike normal Cascade decks, it misses counterspells, and other things you don't want to hit, since it only cares about legenedaries. Additionally. the way he pumps the board, in 2 turns tops he's giving everything +5/+5 probably a lot more... and just runs away with the game. Chulanne on the other hand requires a lot protection and "bad" ramp, and everything has to be on creatures otherwise deck may stop, so it has a lot less space to explode too. I mean... instead of running proper set of 2 mana counter spells, you're running 4 mana counter spell creatures, instead of most mana rocks, you're most likely running mana dorks (which die to boardwipe and you're screwed), instead of Cultivates, or other mana ramp sorceries, you're running wood elves... The worst things about Veyran decks... 20 minute turns, where you're not even sure if you've lost or not, so it's not like whole table will agree to concede. lol My favorite was when I was playing edited Witherbloom precon, had The Haunt of Hightower out, and Veyran player has cast so many spells, that they've put 30+ cards in their graveyard, and had 20+ 2/2 tokens with flying out too, all in one turn... next turn Rogue Passage on The Haunt of Hightower, I didn't even care if I die to other players and commander damage. lol
Sad to see Yidris on this list, but he is insane normally. I will say I do love my 4 color dice rolling deck. He's just there for the colors I swear!!!
Please see Rylan Champion's comment below about Kalamax I am very disappointed once again with inaccuracies by command zone. I do believe Josh would have caught this. Ridiculous! Theres a point when this stuff becomes harmful to the community. How many people do u employ? Research the cards before making content. I advise everyone to take what these folks say with a grain of salt. Before buying any cards to make a deck based on what they say, do your own research by asking friends, reading up to date forums, and watching Other channels - because they do not do this. My pool of groups have had about enough of the partial deck reveals being called full deck reveals and just plain wrong information. I am going to suggest paying no more to patreon for this channel.
Every Time I play my Zacama deck is when i notice people counting my lands the most. The one I am most scared of in my playgroup is probably Merieke Ri Berit. she just evil.
@Matthew Hancock yeah thats the giant dino right that untaps your land. It was my first custom commander since i cane back to the game. I broke it down and have been meaning to rebuild it
@@alexrogall4543I did the same with my Breya deck. Got back into the game and rebuilt my deck. Now I play it a bit differently and it is even better. I don't rely on my commander to solve all of my problems and I play a bit more aggressively. These news sets are great for my deck. I have been playing artifacts since 2013. It is home.
25:42 just a note on kalamax and harrow, saccing a land is a cost to cast the spell, so you only have to sac one land. the copy shouldn't trigger, since you aren't casting the copy. So it's actually sac 1 land get 4
Ancestral Vision suspend states rather than cast this card from your HAND, where as cascade and delirium state that you are casting cards exiled from the top of your library. That interaction should not work. Why does it work? There is no mana cost to cast it, so you would have to suspend it, but then you can't because its not in your hand....
I always find it so odd that people are so terrified of the front half of tergrid when the back side is half on an infinite combo. Y'all know they've been taking it easy on you right lol
@@michaelcollins4534 i'm also surprised with the 2 hour games thing, i don't run land hate in my build anyway but i rarely get a game over 45 mins. I either get battered because i'm archenemy, get looked at for board control against the archenemy or close the game out with coffers/muck/crypt/caged sun big mana.
Dear Lord Xander, While your accomplishments in New Capenna are both numerous and not without merit or class it has come to my attention that half my stuff is missing... again... Please return at your earliest convivence as I can only deduce you were the one that took such actions. Respectfully, Everyone at the table
I'd rather play against commanders like tergrid rather than commanders that take 40 years to finish a turn or durdle around waiting to end the game. also at least with commanders like tergrid, kaalia, etc it's clear to remove or counter it INSTANTLY (you could argue that with other cards on the list that aren't instantly dangerous, but the more immediate threats are more likely to have the group work together to answer them). I don't really see those cards as nearly as much of a problem unless you run a deck with little to no interaction whereas the engine cards that take 20 minute turns are just fucking annoying regardless of the outcome of the game.
@@commandcast im just surprised cause the LGS i go to, most people react to mirrym as though someone announced theyre playing kaalia. And there are more powerful commanders at the LGS like korvold or prosper, so i feel like it shouldve made the list. I do agree with all the selections that made the video though
@@dave_eagle2787 So much of a threat, we played a game at my LGS where Miirym's player was mana screwed for like 10 turns and was close to losing next (one player already lost by then). As soon as he had enough to cast him, he already had 2 other cards on the field to boost him for his next turn, He used an instant before that turn to deal lethal to the other player, and all he did on his own turn was cast one dragon to deal 90 damage on me. He wasn't even at the table most of that game because of how mana screwed he was, yet he still won. Miirym definitely belongs on this list.
I have a Tergrid deck. I let ppl know when I am so they won't play a sacrifice deck against it, and yep, usually they come after Tergrid hard and fast. It's something you have to deal with if you go down that road.
One card I have nightmares about is Atraxa, Praetor's Voice. One of my friends has this card. He thought it might be fun. To comine this card. With dozens of Planeswalkers.
What's interesting about these commanders, especially one like Tergrid, is they do ONE thing but they do it really well. I actually play Tergrid in my 99 of a dimir deck, but she's just one of the threats versus what the entire deck is based on.
Might be a hot take, but Chatterfang. If that player gets a turn or two with their commander, you generally are facing an army of squirrels and then the game ends. I also play a Ghyrson Starn list that gets targeted whenever he hits the board.
I am more afraid of Nekusar than *any* other commander. The decks are full of cards that force you to draw cards til you die, and not in the classic mill way...
Agree on Miirym or even actual ur dragon over scion, but Kaalia if built right can be quite a dangerous deck, I have seen people just suddenly removed from the game turn three because they don't have a blocker and Kaalia has on greaves and cheats in master of cruelties
@@arridueldes5638 Oh for sure, but there was a guy in our playgroup that played Kaalia and stopped playing it altogether because everytime we had a 1 mana removal for it and they build the deck in a way where it is almost exclusively big beaters without ton of mana rocks. You see those type of commander and you tend to try removing them. And I probably agree with Ur Dragon over scion too. Sure it is only a 1 mana discount, but it is pretty big. Scion is known combo value
The intent of this video is not reviewing the effectiveness of the Commander but that you have to address them before they get out of control. Yes, if you can remove Kaalia, Tergrid etc. the deck is likely ineffective. If you cannot, the game very quickly gets out of control.
Scion can dodge removal if played well, aso he doesntvneed the combat step to kill people. While scion is out u essentialy can spend 2 mana for a counterspell. As for scion vs r dragon its consistency vs ramp
"Elves have so much redundancy when it comes to mana production." This is why I prefer the payoff in the command zone (with Ezuri) rather than the engine (the nurturer).
all i have to say is we have a friend in our group that his playstyle is always "i just combo out here" id love to see a spot light on like maelstrom wanderer or arcum dagson or something on how you guys work around annoying combo decks
Probably because Edgar arguably has the strongest and least fun to play against Eminence ability. Even a somewhat poorly put together deck filled with mediocre vampires is going to play well, because every vampire turns into two. All of those extra creatures means aristocrat strategies, which can be very powerful especially in Orzhov, are totally valid.
I literally had a table full of those scary commanders from your list and a cedh player refused to play with me because I brought Sen triplets, which he were more afraid of, than Urza, Yuriko and Najeela combined.
I kinda get why. Sen Triplets stops a player from having the opportunity to interact at instant speed on the Sen Triplets’ turn. More than one if there’s ways to copy the trigger or get extra Upkeep steps in play. All the others mentioned at least allow for the illusion of agency still being maintained.
Chulane being first is so appropriate. Before I knew how insane he was, I threw a Chulane deck together from random creatures I had sitting around and boy did it work. Not only does the deck play itself, but it tends to build itself too. I went into a fugue state and tuned it up, now its not one I really play lol
Which Commanders are you the most scared of? Why are they so scary? How do you try to balance the scales against them?
nethroi is so scary, he is almost unbeatable if they have a big GY
@@alpacaraider9661 Nethroi almost made the list! Definitely scary to play against.
Horobi death’s wail. Boardwipe tribal and can turn dorky draft chaff like liquimental coating into a continuous free kill spell… it’s scary. It’s also combo based for me. I run mindcrank bloodchief asention with syr Konrad back up. Plus you run a suite of reanimating spells and lands (Endless Whispers, Phyrexian Reclamation, volrath’s stronghold etc). Yeah it’s scary. It can even turn lands into kills spells (see maze of ith, urborg [the one from legends] Shizo, Death’s Store House etc). Also another nasty combo in the deck is unwinding clock. I’ve had games where it’s been three against one and I’ve placed in second
animar tbh
Things that cheat in big creatures can be scary. Rakdos lord of riots, Kaalia, Atla palani, etc. It’s not necessarily the commanders but what the commanders can cheat in that make them so threatening.
You should do a “Game Knights” with the four scariest commanders. That would be amazing
True.
Nah, the game would probably end quickly, depending on who draws the most fast mana.
They are running less fast mana nowadays to make the games more interesting. Also they should be able to keep each other in check pretty well
Sounds like a Halloween special
from personal experience, playing against cancer edh (cedh) is not fun nor interesting and if you had already doubts about your hobby, you will probably quit right afterwards. fun stuff!
rachel and jimmy = best on-screen chemistry
I'm surprised Selvala, Heart of the Wilds wasn't mentioned. If I untap with Selvala on turn 3, or I get Lightning Greaves out to tap her the turn I play her, I'm almost always comboing out to kill all players. The deck is ultra consistent, and wins on turn 3 or 4 unless you have interaction. If you have interaction, the deck also has a ton of ways to protect itself/disrupt opponents. My Selvala deck trades wins with my friend's Najeela deck.
The commander I absolutely hate faceing not mentioned in the video is: slicer, hired muscle. They summon it on turn 2-3 then it has haste, double strike and pass it on to the next player mix that with commander damage I normally die bye the time he goes around the board once.
Yeah Urza, kinnan, Najella, heck narset are in Cedh levels of scary, these cards are ridiculous when set up right.
I have 1 suggestion for the "next attack" category: Vaevictis asmadi, i played him long time because i dont want to play Korvold and people still hated me out the game.
Edgar Markov, rebuilds so fast!
My Najeela deck is all 40k. And yeah you must
You only have to sac 1 land when you copy harrow, dont have to sac land when you copy it.
Meren worries me. Guy in my play group has a nasty Meren deck....Spore frog!!!!!! (shakes fist)
Haha. I have an Omnath, Locust God and Krrik deck. But compared to some of these, they don't seem that bad
21:50 so, jimmy the point of removing commanders is to make people feel bad? 🤔
Cursed Totem shuts down Urza.
rachel coming onto the staff here has entirely transformed your content. these days i’m interested in every subject and find myself intrigued through the whole episode. very happy with her addition to the staff and her approach to MTG, it’s really taken your content to a whole new level. her impact is distinctly noticeable and a massive positive change for this channel.
edit: kind of sad some of these replies started dunking on other people when that wasn’t my intention! stop pitting women against each other or comparing individuals to each other. everyone on the CZ team is epic. Rachel has just made some noticeable changes to the show since she joined on and that’s awesome of her. not a sleight to anyone else here. let’s keep it kind y’all ❤️
Yeah, she has revived, or at least coincided with the revival of, what I feel that the CZ has mothballed until recently, i.e. the in-depth discussion and ever-green topics, as contrasted by the product-specific episodes that have become more common in the last couple of years.
Rachel is a great addition. Whip smart, respectfully snarky and has fantastic chemistry with everyone. She has earned my new sub.
Rachel is the best
Really? I can't see it. She's fine, not bad but certainly not amazing. Maybe I'm missing something you guys are seeing? I miss having Jimmy and Josh together because of their chemistry. The shows become a walking infomercial for Magic anyway...
hard disagree from me since she joined it feels lack luster
Id love to see a video on commanders that people think aren’t threatening but end up being scary
Yes please!
:-D
My #1 is Jetmir. I’ve seen people look at him and think “oh it’s 9 creatures I’ll be fine” and then I just play scute swarm and Hattie and they’re like “ah shit”
Top of that list for me would be the commander I would immediately add to this video; Elminster. If you hate Narset, this is Narset but more consistent & takes longer lol.
One that I just discovered that might qualify is Light-paws, emperors voice. Very deceptive in its power, not to mention, the "drawback" is a complete non-issue in commander!
Finally this podcast discussing fun subjects again and not just set reviews. Keep it coming !
Literally the last like 8 videos aren't reviewing anything. What are you talking about?
@Bob Ross It used to feel like most episodes were reviewing sets, precons or revealing stuff for WotC, so Im also really happy with the 'evergreen' topics.
@Quint Marcelis I feel like you're just saying that because you're actually just mad that WOTC is releasing more product.
@@bobross8585 tbh its valid to be mad, bcz everyone should be mad at WOTC, (not Command Zone) for their scummy practice these past months (hell even these past years). And they are not done, wait till the LotR set comes out
@@awsomewild ... why?
I'm surprised to not see Winota. She is incredibly strong and consistent.
I was too! She is probably my strongest combat based commander, even though I don't use a CEDH level design.
@@WilliamAndRose1 I feel like she is manageable just because its boros and you have to have a Non-Human creature.
Winota is strong, but she is also quite random. Like, for Winota to go absolutely bonkers, in a casual context, you need to have your (relatively few) nonhuman creatures in your starting hand and/or early draws and your big humans in your library, relatively close to the top but spaced out evenly so that you don't flip 5 in one trigger and then whiff for all of the following triggers. It rarely stacks up that way, at least not in a casual build.
Depending on the board state, you can usually let Winota be for a turn or two at least, before she starts becoming tricky to deal with. She also doesn't come back as easily as other commanders (i.e. doesn't directly provide card draw and/or mana), and obviously her colours proclude a lot of the most broken shit you can do in commander. The bit you have to watch out for is if she drops something that can give a bunch of extra combat steps, double strike or lots of nonhuman tokens.
@@xxhellspawnedxx See the way you explained it shows you have played a ton of games with her. I haven't been a victim yet of a player flipping over creatures with extra combat steps, double strike thats not Embercleave!!! But the randomness is what makes her manageable..
@@Commander_Claw My build I think differs from a lot of others, in that I focus on humans that synergize. Soldiers, specifically. A lot of humans that create soldier tokens create non-human ones, which just fuel Winota more. Half the creatures in the deck are hasty one drop non-humans, the other half are humans that either make soldiers, buff soldiers, or are soldiers themselves (sometimes more than one of those!). The turn Winota comes down, I usually have two or three creatures already prepared to go - or you can be sneaky and have Winota come down first, all alone, so that she doesn't look like a threat - and then bust out two, three, or even four hasty creatures the following turn and attack immediately. I've gone from an attack like that into having about 20 creatures on board at the end of the combat phase, and then closing out the game the following turn.
At 1:07:30 I think it's so funny that Jimmy was like "Even with a budget deck" and then shows expensive cards on screen
Ahahaha true
Spot on.
Ah yes, my budget deck with The Great Henge and Purphoros.
I think they are officially disconnected on cheaper decks lol
Fr. The most budget on that list is the bored wipe 🥱
These are the people who routinely play with mana crypts and dual lands. "Budget" is relative.
So about Kalamax: you can't cast fork or reverberate without another spell on the stack. So an instant kill commander isn't possible without someone else casting a spell for you to target. Also harrow you won't sacrifice two lands. It's part of the cost so you copy the spell not the casting cost. So it's 1 land for 4
Yes! They made him seem a lot scarier than he is (he can still get pretty scary lol)
Yeah exactly, although I would say if ral Zarek the War, of the spark version, resolves and kalamax is tapped you're probably dead
you can just cast a sorcery first to target, kalamax only cares about instant spells
@@TurtleBleach689 But then you cant do it instant speed when Kalamax is already swinging and unblocked.
@@xXDerPuppenspielerXx Hypersonic Dragon is one of the cards that can help you get around that.
Edgar Markov. Eminence is always a higher degree of scary, and while you might be able to board wipe a few times to keep him down, black draw and any white protection means his army of vampires keeps coming back and swarming players down.
I was sure he was going to be on the list lol
Reminds me where me and a friend did a two-headed giant EDH tournament with Tergrid and Tinybones, it goes exactly how you imagine it would. Magic as Richard Garfield intended attacking with 1/1's and 1/2's.
It sucks living in a small town where all I can do is live vicariously through RUclips because there is no play groups near me
No kidding. Or a community that tries to force you out because someone there doesn't like you.
Jetmir has gotta be up there as one of the scariest. At the last persons end step blast a dozen tokens on the field, untap those lands play Jetmir and suddenly there's over 100 trample/double strike damage instantly. Can go from an empty board state to lethal damage to every opponent in less than one turn. White Suns Twilight, Rabble Rousing, Myojin of Blooming Dawn are all essentially instant wins with Jetmir.
It's fun having a commander that turns March of the Multitudes into a combat trick!
Had jetmir under a rabble rowsing recently. An attack with 7 dogs and 2 humans turned out to deal 120 dmg to the table 🙈 surprise
I play Jetmir. He is awesome.
Run the new juggernaut that says all other creatures are 5/3 juggernauts that have to attack each combat if able
I'm surprised you guys didn't mention Toxrill, decks filled with proliferate, counters and creature protection.
Yea toxrill can also be played in the 99 and show up outta no where and slap face 🤣
Ninjitsu Toxrill out of nowhere with Umezawa
Also cloning it can be really toxic…..pun intended.
And cards like Dictate of Erebos pretty much keeps the board clean permanently
@@mindhackz bbbhhjhhhjhhh
you all are too pure, when i made toxrill, it was basically kormus bell + urborg and ways to tutor for them. I just ld everyone everyturn.
Krenko, Mob Boss is always terrifying to go against. Even when kicked down a few times it can and mostly will bounce back if left too idlely.
A friend I play with has a krenko deck. Since he's not as experienced and hasn't played MtG for a long time, his deck and the way he pilots it isn't especially dangerous. But if he is the starting player and draws the Sol-Ring, it's almost certainly going to be a non-game if I don't have the removal right then and there.
t1 sol-ring into possibly lighting greaves
t2 krenko, equip greaves, tap krenko: goblin counter 2
t3 play anything that makes goblins (more than likely at least 3+ goblins) -A> tap krenko: goblin counter now at 10
If you then go into your own third turn, even if you find an answer to krenko now (or have the mana to cast it because you ramped turn 2), there's already a bunch of goblins out and you'll just die in combat in short order.
But I do think, without a Sol-Ring, he is entirely fair unless it's a really low power table. The less interaction people run, the more likely it is that his board will exponentially swarm. But casting a krenko "fair" turn-3 seems entirely reasonable and gives players a lot of time to react and if nobody can do anything about krenko in a 4-player game for like two full turns, it's okay if they lose.
I actually believe Garson starn belongs on this list, with just one pinger and a few spells he can kill players insanely quickly, and being able to pay 1 or 2 to do 3 damage to each creature your opponents control gives him a edge over decks that rely on cheap creatures in early game or hordes.
As someone who plays this commander, I can confirm. Games are ended quickly if no one takes out the pingers.
@@DarkanOmegamu do you have any list ?
@@dimitricardoso7334 I have one on Moxfield but it's currently outdated with what I'm playing now. I can post it up here later though
I made a spellslinger / Storm deck with him and yes. The game will end quickly if not dealt with. Not only does it do direct damage but it also can function as creature removal effectively
@@mexftplaya Let me guess. Grapeshot doing its best Lightning Bolt impression thanks to Starn?
LOL at the fact that they didn't include Krenko, Mob Boss.
He, and many other commanders, are powerful, but not usually KoS scary. Like, he doesn't directly provide mana or card advantage. If he's knocked down a couple of times, he usually stays down, and without a very specific set of goblin combo pieces, that deck is dead in the water. This sits in stark contrast to the Golos wannabe's who provide unrivalled card and/or mana advantage pretty much as soon as they hit the field, i.e. Chulane and Korvold.
@@xxhellspawnedxx I play with a lot of protection for krenko and ways of doing his ability multiple times per turn. Sure Krenko is susceptible to board wipes, but what commander isn't? I don't play my goblin deck much because its not fun for my meta or my LGS meta. All i really need to win in for this deck is card draw and protection for krenko. Obviously supporting goblins go a long way, but to say Krenko is not a KoS commander is an L take for you and the command zone.
@Bong Water Alchemist so does deflecting swat and red elemental blast and reverberate.
The editors did a great job with this one 👍🏻
Definitely! Big props to them.
Shorikai, genesis engine. That card is insane. If you don’t get rid of it the value you get from that card becomes too much
Niv Mizzet Parun is able to draw a bunch of cards or go infinite with curiosity like effects.
Thanks for the episode! I've been out of the loop for about four years so an update on the metagame as well as a breakdown is fantastic for me.
This is a list of the most strongest, un fun commanders to play against. It's not the "meta" whatsoever. Your meta depends on who and where you play lol.
@@SmashCentralOfficial I use the definition broadly and to assist in threat assessment.
@@arthurpicket3505 most people do, he clearly doesn't know where the term derives from. Most Effective Tactic Available
i would add Urza, chief artificer to the '1 to 2 turns' list. Phenomenal value if allowed to stick around, and scary support in that color pie
Sad miirym isn't here
As a Prosper main, I can confirm he pops off REALLY hard. If people aren't careful, he can have 30 minute uninterrupted turns that just never seem to end. Woe to all if Etali also gets going on top of that.
Edit: I was being hyperbolic with the "30 minute" figure. My b. Somehow didn't realize it would be taken literally. Lol
That sounds miserable
Why are you the way that you are.
As a Prosper main, I agree without question. And we can aristrocrat our way out of a game
Will respectfully scoop as i would like to play.
I play my Prosper list very differently. I have him built to specifically use my opponents' decks - by exiling their cards to play with. He has no real way to win on his own, and thus becomes as weak as the other decks at the table. I find this a really fun way to play him, and he doesn't take as long of turns usually (maybe 2-5 minutes once he gets going, but never 10+).
I 100% agree with Omnath lol. I had a game *last night* where by T4 i was dropping 2-3 lands per turn, had a felidars retreat + ancient greenwarden out and was buffing my entire board and doubling all my triggers.. The deck goes brrrr
Kalamax still needs a legal target for the first fork you cast so it's not as easy as attack and cast fork
No, but it is as easy as cast a Sorcery, hold priority to cast Fork targeting the Sorcery, profit.
Or have a way to give something Flash, just so you *can* attack first.
@@TheComicBookJoker yes it's just not as simple as attack and cast fork which is what they made it sound like. You either have to wait till post combat, do it precombat, or have a way to cast a sorcery during combat or bank on an opponent interacting during combat
Najeela, Rog Si, Sythis, Codie, K'rrik, The Gitrog, Lord High Artificer, any partnering of Tymna, any partnering of Thrasios are all red flags. 🚩
prosper is one of my favorite decks and it always blows me away that my play group rarely ever deals with it immediately. usually it leads to them having to completely dismantling my board 2-3 times if they want to stop me.
Been a big fan of you guys for years. Can’t thank you enough for all the videos!
Nor can I
Negan, the cold-blooded is another strong treasure commander that wasn't mentioned.
I came here to comment this. I have a Negan deck that revolves around blinking Negan, sacrificing opponents creatures and making multiple treasures per creature that gets sac’d and nearly every game I play, I have the whole table gunning for me from start to finish, and I win more often than not
@@deathstrokear1483 I call mine “The bad guy deck.” A villainous character, from a hated set, doing things that makes the table groan.
For me, it’s anything that is Izzet. In any other color combo, wincons tend to be telegraphed and you don’t have to feel bad focusing them. I have never played against an izzet deck that doesn’t just delete everyone in a single turn. AND THEN people don’t believe when you tell them that the jhoira player is the threat when someone else has a 10/10 on board-it’s just ridiculous.
So i just wanna throw one that seems niche up until you really play against a good brew for it (mainly because my friends hate this deck). Liesa, Shroud of Dusk from Commander Legends. She has, quite consistently, out valued in a unique way where simply trying to remove her would be too punishing and dangerous, and she can quite easily control your opponents ability to play the game with juat one or two spells from you. And she can almost never die, due to her command tax being replqced with life loss.
can you share your list? I'm trying to build a liesa deck but been failing with it.
@@epyon6712 I can, but it's expensive-ish. What's your budget, I do have some budget based ideas/replacements.
@@nerd2death899 Thanks man! No worries, I'm all for expensive decks. If something is expensive like out of question I'll ask for a replacement if you let me.
@@epyon6712 Do you want a link to the decklist on Manabox/EDHreq? Or just a list here in the comments?
I feel like Atraxa(both, but more Praetors Voice) is a pretty scary commander. I do run her for my poison deck, and it is pretty good.
On arena I see jodah so often on historic brawl and I hate seeing him every time
What about Koma?
Or Vorinclex? Maybe that one's more scary for me since I run a Ghave deck
You were really really REALLY over hyping some of these commanders like Yidris. Even if you build a deck with a lot of cascade, most of those spells are overall mediocre or just bad. Sure you get a few free spells, but one wrath of god and all that value is gone and if the Yidris deck hit other permanents that cascade... Well, those enchantments are super bad on their own and no one will even care.
I'd like a video about the ones the make the game more fun while remaining powerful!
The best way to deal with these decks...is to play these decks.
Sounds weird, but think about it, tergrid isn't that scary in a pod with elfball, narset, and urza. All the decks are scary. So, none of the decks are scary.
So if someone insists that they want to play their Urza deck, say "cool." And then slam Chulane on the table.
That's the best aproach imo.
I remember I tried to build "The Fair Urza" when he first came out... Lol my friends still rib me about it.
I just now embrace how broken he is and play all the stax pieces and infinite mana (at an appropriate pod/table of course.)
No man why are all my fav commanders on this list, lol.
You know why
Because you don't like your friends?
@MarvelousMorg lol true, but honestly I've been brewing allot of these but much lower power levels so I'm not THAT guy at the table and I even build decks for my friends and give it to them so we can all have fun together on a similar power level 🙌
Another point I've seen that makes Omnath just so damn good is Mutate. You can mutate a non-legendary creature onto Omnath and make copies of it and it copies the abilities acquired from Omnath, so you just have a metric crap-ton of Omnaths and just super out value your opponents.
That deck idea was popularized by this channel with Jake's omnath deck.
I have a Kaalia deck and i can confirm it is absolutely terrifying to play against.
So then the question becomes, what commanders do you like playing against? A lot of these cards will make you think you're in for a bad time, but how do you know you're in for a good time? 😬
You are in for a good time if you can at least foresee that the game is winnable, that hope is sustainable and prolonged, and if all players can take part in that feeling of hope, then everyone can have a good time, even the ones who eventually lose... losing isn't always that bad if the game was close.
Honestly the answer is fairly easy - anything that isn't played that often and isn't in the scariest list. The best games are the games that surprise you, and agreeing on jank with your playgroup (usually keeping your budget below $60 or $75 including the commander) makes the most fun games.
5:07 the Podcast starts here
Scary commanders in my area, Ruxa, mono green token deck that can win with commander damage. Kennerth the Returned King : Goes infinate with a ham sandwich. OG Atraxa both superfriends and proliferation variants.
Loving Rachel's input on the format and watching her play is always fun too. Def a great choice adding her to the staff!
Maybe it's just me but I def don't subscribe to the "why did they make this card/don't print this again" mentality. They have full sent the format which is great- it gives you full customizable access to whatever playstyle you want. If you don't want to deal with xx power level (i.e. najeela) just say that in the power level talks.
Worst case someone lies about power level (small-D energy) and you never play a weak deck against them again. I just think it's nice to give options for multiple levels of "power" to build around. Commander is fun, just don't be a dick and drop the korvold at a table playing 6-7ish decks
I like how there are so many “Scary” commanders now. You can easily play a pod where everyone plays a scary commander and those can be some of the most fun swingy games to play. My friend group normally closes the night out with the strongest commanders vs each other. Koma, Chulane, Prossh, Yuriko, Xenagos, Sythis, Urza.
I dont think I'd group yuriko with those others. Scary yes, but not like those ones.
I honestly feel like Jodah the Unifier is far worse than Chulane, unlike normal Cascade decks, it misses counterspells, and other things you don't want to hit, since it only cares about legenedaries. Additionally. the way he pumps the board, in 2 turns tops he's giving everything +5/+5 probably a lot more... and just runs away with the game.
Chulanne on the other hand requires a lot protection and "bad" ramp, and everything has to be on creatures otherwise deck may stop, so it has a lot less space to explode too. I mean... instead of running proper set of 2 mana counter spells, you're running 4 mana counter spell creatures, instead of most mana rocks, you're most likely running mana dorks (which die to boardwipe and you're screwed), instead of Cultivates, or other mana ramp sorceries, you're running wood elves...
The worst things about Veyran decks... 20 minute turns, where you're not even sure if you've lost or not, so it's not like whole table will agree to concede. lol My favorite was when I was playing edited Witherbloom precon, had The Haunt of Hightower out, and Veyran player has cast so many spells, that they've put 30+ cards in their graveyard, and had 20+ 2/2 tokens with flying out too, all in one turn... next turn Rogue Passage on The Haunt of Hightower, I didn't even care if I die to other players and commander damage. lol
Sad to see Yidris on this list, but he is insane normally. I will say I do love my 4 color dice rolling deck. He's just there for the colors I swear!!!
I have him built as a value mill deck to get more bang from my mill spells 😅
I don’t believe you
Please see Rylan Champion's comment below about Kalamax
I am very disappointed once again with inaccuracies by command zone. I do believe Josh would have caught this. Ridiculous! Theres a point when this stuff becomes harmful to the community.
How many people do u employ? Research the cards before making content.
I advise everyone to take what these folks say with a grain of salt. Before buying any cards to make a deck based on what they say, do your own research by asking friends, reading up to date forums, and watching Other channels - because they do not do this. My pool of groups have had about enough of the partial deck reveals being called full deck reveals and just plain wrong information. I am going to suggest paying no more to patreon for this channel.
Every Time I play my Zacama deck is when i notice people counting my lands the most. The one I am most scared of in my playgroup is probably Merieke Ri Berit. she just evil.
Im building him now its a blast
@@alexrogall4543Him who? Zacama?
@Matthew Hancock yeah thats the giant dino right that untaps your land. It was my first custom commander since i cane back to the game. I broke it down and have been meaning to rebuild it
@@alexrogall4543I did the same with my Breya deck. Got back into the game and rebuilt my deck. Now I play it a bit differently and it is even better. I don't rely on my commander to solve all of my problems and I play a bit more aggressively. These news sets are great for my deck. I have been playing artifacts since 2013. It is home.
25:42 just a note on kalamax and harrow, saccing a land is a cost to cast the spell, so you only have to sac one land. the copy shouldn't trigger, since you aren't casting the copy. So it's actually sac 1 land get 4
keep these podocasts coming! theyve been great
Ancestral Vision suspend states rather than cast this card from your HAND, where as cascade and delirium state that you are casting cards exiled from the top of your library.
That interaction should not work. Why does it work? There is no mana cost to cast it, so you would have to suspend it, but then you can't because its not in your hand....
I always find it so odd that people are so terrified of the front half of tergrid when the back side is half on an infinite combo. Y'all know they've been taking it easy on you right lol
I just closed a game out with a top decked torment x=43 but to be honest i could have just cast lantern.
@@egoish6762 exactly. It's literally torment of hailfire in the command zone
@@michaelcollins4534 i'm also surprised with the 2 hour games thing, i don't run land hate in my build anyway but i rarely get a game over 45 mins.
I either get battered because i'm archenemy, get looked at for board control against the archenemy or close the game out with coffers/muck/crypt/caged sun big mana.
Dear Lord Xander,
While your accomplishments in New Capenna are both numerous and not without merit or class it has come to my attention that half my stuff is missing... again... Please return at your earliest convivence as I can only deduce you were the one that took such actions.
Respectfully,
Everyone at the table
Imprison in the Moon is a great card against Yuriko.
Yep. Imprison in the Moon and Song of the Dryads are both great ways to deal with Yuriko. Also Humility if you’re feeling particularly cheeky.
I'd rather play against commanders like tergrid rather than commanders that take 40 years to finish a turn or durdle around waiting to end the game. also at least with commanders like tergrid, kaalia, etc it's clear to remove or counter it INSTANTLY (you could argue that with other cards on the list that aren't instantly dangerous, but the more immediate threats are more likely to have the group work together to answer them). I don't really see those cards as nearly as much of a problem unless you run a deck with little to no interaction whereas the engine cards that take 20 minute turns are just fucking annoying regardless of the outcome of the game.
I totally thought this was a game of the scariest commanders against each other lol
The thumbnail really does put that across lol
Surprised Miirym, sentinel wurm wasnt mentioned.
Miirym was on the original list! Just barely didn't make the cut.
@@commandcast im just surprised cause the LGS i go to, most people react to mirrym as though someone announced theyre playing kaalia. And there are more powerful commanders at the LGS like korvold or prosper, so i feel like it shouldve made the list. I do agree with all the selections that made the video though
@@dave_eagle2787 So much of a threat, we played a game at my LGS where Miirym's player was mana screwed for like 10 turns and was close to losing next (one player already lost by then). As soon as he had enough to cast him, he already had 2 other cards on the field to boost him for his next turn, He used an instant before that turn to deal lethal to the other player, and all he did on his own turn was cast one dragon to deal 90 damage on me. He wasn't even at the table most of that game because of how mana screwed he was, yet he still won. Miirym definitely belongs on this list.
I’m new to commander, so I love this video for teaching me what the meta might look like 👍 😊
I'm glad korvold is this high lol. Been playing him since he came out and he's insane. Built everything from treasures to dragons
I have a Tergrid deck. I let ppl know when I am so they won't play a sacrifice deck against it, and yep, usually they come after Tergrid hard and fast. It's something you have to deal with if you go down that road.
One card I have nightmares about is Atraxa, Praetor's Voice.
One of my friends has this card.
He thought it might be fun. To comine this card. With dozens of Planeswalkers.
What's interesting about these commanders, especially one like Tergrid, is they do ONE thing but they do it really well.
I actually play Tergrid in my 99 of a dimir deck, but she's just one of the threats versus what the entire deck is based on.
Obligatory 1st
You're a twelve year old
@Arthur Picket they ain't even 1st lol
My playgroup: "I'm not prepared to play against a tergrid deck"
Me: *puts tergrid in the 99, puts varragoth in the command zone* then we're good. :D
Might be a hot take, but Chatterfang. If that player gets a turn or two with their commander, you generally are facing an army of squirrels and then the game ends.
I also play a Ghyrson Starn list that gets targeted whenever he hits the board.
I am more afraid of Nekusar than *any* other commander. The decks are full of cards that force you to draw cards til you die, and not in the classic mill way...
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Agree on Miirym or even actual ur dragon over scion, but Kaalia if built right can be quite a dangerous deck, I have seen people just suddenly removed from the game turn three because they don't have a blocker and Kaalia has on greaves and cheats in master of cruelties
@@arridueldes5638 Oh for sure, but there was a guy in our playgroup that played Kaalia and stopped playing it altogether because everytime we had a 1 mana removal for it and they build the deck in a way where it is almost exclusively big beaters without ton of mana rocks.
You see those type of commander and you tend to try removing them. And I probably agree with Ur Dragon over scion too. Sure it is only a 1 mana discount, but it is pretty big. Scion is known combo value
The intent of this video is not reviewing the effectiveness of the Commander but that you have to address them before they get out of control. Yes, if you can remove Kaalia, Tergrid etc. the deck is likely ineffective. If you cannot, the game very quickly gets out of control.
Scion can dodge removal if played well, aso he doesntvneed the combat step to kill people. While scion is out u essentialy can spend 2 mana for a counterspell. As for scion vs r dragon its consistency vs ramp
My friend has a Beledros deck and it's gross once he has a board set up for it. It literally goes to work on each player's turn.
Only scared of Fblthp the Lost..
Because it can dig them deeper to the true terror of the deck:
Storm Crow.
Tergrid players do deserve to express themselves but I also deserve to say "I ain't playing with you, bucko" without being called an ass.
"Elves have so much redundancy when it comes to mana production."
This is why I prefer the payoff in the command zone (with Ezuri) rather than the engine (the nurturer).
all i have to say is we have a friend in our group that his playstyle is always "i just combo out here" id love to see a spot light on like maelstrom wanderer or arcum dagson or something on how you guys work around annoying combo decks
People at my LGS always lose their minds when I pull out my Edgar Markov and he's not even in this video LOL.
Edgar was definitely on this list in the rough draft. Just didn't make the final cut.
Probably because Edgar arguably has the strongest and least fun to play against Eminence ability.
Even a somewhat poorly put together deck filled with mediocre vampires is going to play well, because every vampire turns into two.
All of those extra creatures means aristocrat strategies, which can be very powerful especially in Orzhov, are totally valid.
I literally had a table full of those scary commanders from your list and a cedh player refused to play with me because I brought Sen triplets, which he were more afraid of, than Urza, Yuriko and Najeela combined.
I kinda get why. Sen Triplets stops a player from having the opportunity to interact at instant speed on the Sen Triplets’ turn. More than one if there’s ways to copy the trigger or get extra Upkeep steps in play. All the others mentioned at least allow for the illusion of agency still being maintained.
The only lesson to garner from the "Command Zone" this week:
Don't play your Commander, it will just get answered.
Keeping a scoreboard on whether my husband or I have more decks that made this list. 😂
Korvold treasures is bonkers!
With the multiple izzet commanderd suprised they didnt mention Niv-Mizzet Parun
Beat a Prosper, Tome-Bound deck with my Scarab God deck earlier today actually, it was one hell of a fight, game went on for an hour and a half.
I would love to see how you play master of Cruelties from a Dimir commander
My Scion deck doesn't run Skittles. However you do the same trick using double strike Artaka. Also OG Bolas is cruel too.
Chulane being first is so appropriate. Before I knew how insane he was, I threw a Chulane deck together from random creatures I had sitting around and boy did it work. Not only does the deck play itself, but it tends to build itself too. I went into a fugue state and tuned it up, now its not one I really play lol
How would you run master of cruelties in an edh deck with satoru as the commander?
I dont think Prosper is as bad as the ones you listed it near. It's strong, but it's not Chulane or Omnath; that's crazy talk
"Oh, you're playing Tergrid? My commander is Trostani Discordant! Wait! Where are you going?"