How to shape a curve into a panel without an English wheel double curvature Tips and Tricks #34
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I don’t think there is a school at least in my area that can teach as well as you do. Thank you so much 🙏🏻
There aren't ANY schools for this skill anywhere.
The skill is passed from generation to generation, and the younger people will just take the shortcut and use force, machines, or welding to do what you see Trev do in the video.
Notice how slowly Trev works the small piece!
Thanks Trev. I have messed around for years getting poor results, not knowing what I am doing and because of this video and other of yours that I have watched, I now understand. When I have tried to remove dents in the past I have been doing it backward, trying to hit out from behind when I should have placed he dolly there as in your explanation of curve of steel etc . Thank you...
Hi young man from someone who has been beating tin as long as you have been alive
A rare youtuber who DOES know what he is talking about keep it up
Learn from this guy
Love your tips and videos, Trev. You're putting a 5-speed transmission in the van.
Type 9 5 speed gear box. Just when I start to lose interest in my own project, you always inspire me to keep pushing on with it thanks to your vids.
Just brilliant Trev you explained it and make it so understanding just keep watching and learning you're the man!
Hello, learned a lot from your videos!!
My bodywork teacher back in the day explained the waffle hammer as follows:
when you hit a stomp nail again and again at random places on a flat sheet, the metal will compress at those points and the flat sheet will shrink inwards into a bowl.
I then tried flaring out my fenders with the waffle hammer his way, but it didn't work for me, by just hiting it and by luck doing it half your way there was more succes.
Maybe I can start on the other side now, after 20 years :)
Cheers
Thank you Trev again the usable tips &tricks!
Hi Trev. Again a great video. Looking forward to seeing the finished van and your following projects.
The gearbox is a type 9 (Sierra) 5 speed.
All these people who just comment that its a 5 speed gearbox just so they can get your free panel hammer..........aaawww go on then..its a 5 speed box! Great video, wish it didn`t look so easy and turn out to be so hard.
Another brilliant production, so look forward to them. A 5 speed type 9 from Sierra, with modified cross member
You explanations are wonderful. Thank you
Great blog again Trev........ and the gearbox is a type 9 5 speed
Thanks Trev
Thanks trev for the great info.
5 speed out o a Focus. Nice demonstration Trev.
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Cracking video Trev.
Five speed Ford gearbox
Ford Sierra 5 speed gearbox-
Thanks and cheers from austria
Ms C Vick here, with a question/suggestion. Is it possible that a square or triangle in the middle of stand, with matching shape inset on the back of tool thingy, might hold it just as well, while allowing use of full shape of thingy, and possibly fitting into smaller spaces?
But thank you for explaining (at my idiot lvl) the reason and machado behind it. For not hitting from reverse side of dent.
Clint Vick Yes you’re absolutely right, the construction could have been a more suitable shape for the job. My main point was to demonstrate that you don’t necessarily need really expensive equipment to produce effective shapes in sheet steel. Cheers Trev 👍
Thanks again Trev.
What I have learned from you is a light tap with the hammer is more effective than a heavy hit to achieve your end goal. From a heavy hit, the metal seams to bounce rather than move.
I'm off out to my workshop to attempt today's lesson. Great stuff & inspirational as usual.
As is so often the case. kinda zen advice when you think about it...
I started by hammering aluminium cans together, then forming the into ash trays.
Well actually a heavy whack is quite dramatically effective in shaping metal… the thing is that it moves other places that aren’t beneficial- and correcting these stretches, wrinkles, and shapes is more time consuming than simply stretching it where you want it more generally to begin with.
So impressive. Do you offer your services to the public? bodywork restoration and welding?
Mike Hudson I’m sorry Mike I don’t anymore 👍
@@trevsblog It's a shame, I'm really struggling to find people like you who are into taking the time and care to do a decent job. Congrats on that anyway, and nice videos
5 speed, thanks Trev
Hi Trev,
this is exactly what I've been looking for since I have to insert a smaller piece into a side cover of a vespa. So now the question is how you proceed if you don't want to create ANY curvature but a certain one. And let's say different radius' in both directions. How's the process there? How do you encounter the right shape?
Cheers
Holger
Are you concerned about work hardening? Thanks again for your fantastic video's.
Steve Larsen you’d have to give mild steel “at this thickness” far more abuse before work hardening came into play. You can bend it back and forth around 200-300 times before it snaps off allowing around 10mm of material. Cheers Trev 👍
One day, they will invent a 3-D printer that uses a metal filament, and you will just load a pattern for a body panel or part into it, press Start, ten go off to the Pub!
Best videos on RUclips. I would like to see some ‘slappers’ on your show. The gentlemen’s kind 😉
Great video and it`s a 5 speed gearbox
Grate helpful vid as all ways trev. It's a 5 speed box
Greeting from Wiltshire! Been semi-binge watching your vids - much I don't know but didn't know what I now know! (I think??) So thanks :-) And IF you're 50 how come you have no grey hair creeping in?!
I actually have lots of grey hair it just doesn’t show up on the camera. Cheers Trev 👍
How about just shimming up that dolly holder with a piece of 6mm plate.. instead of filing 12mm perimeter down.. 👍 😊
Trev I’ve just found your channel (its brilliant btw) and watched several very good videos. Im into land rovers amongst other vehicles, is there a different technique to making wings or other panels from burmabrite or whatever they used compared to mild steel? Id be very interested to see you do something like a series 3 wing and door skin, take dings out of aluminium etc, any chance of doing that? 👍
what about a hard stand with neodyninium magnets glued in,to hold the dollys
5 speed, send me that hammer!
5 speed Ford 9 type.
Again Trev as always a very informative video. Always look forward to your uploads don't worry about the length of them as myself and I'm sure others could watch hours of your work and not get bored. As to your gearbox I believe it's a five speed type 9 if my memory serves me right.
5spd from a Zetec focus :) You should start selling a 'Trev approved line of tools'. Hammers, dollys, slappers etc. Keep the price down by not customising them, but knowing what you sell is good gear
I thought the same thing. But I couldn't resist the hammer on Ebay. :D
Highlight of the week, Trevor gives away the best information on metal-shaping on youtube.
Looking forward for more, Please make the 2 hour version on dent flipping ;-)
Been watching you since your first video on metal-shaping and find your explanations very good, serious and still with the right portion humor. "I like it a lot" (Harry - Dumb Dumber)
Best regards Michael from Denmark
ps. My first comment ever on youtube. Type 9 - 5 speed gearbox.
"Hope you get something out of this video". I get something out of every one of your videos. This was the one I was waiting for most though.
We can use saucers instead of wheels if you want for a split decision situation for sergant major 😭
Fantastic as always trev you are indeed a master keep the videos coming thank you John....
Great as always...love that you teach us to use “simple” tools!
Gear box is a 5-speed!
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I find myself going back to your videos over and over. Thanks Trev!
Hi again Trev,
Old school metal working tips again, love it.
The gearbox in the van is a ford type 9 5 speed.
Cheers
Mick
5 speed type 9 ford Sierra gearbox. Nice vid Trevor always interesting to watch a master show his craft 👌👍
Thank you again for the time taken to make such a fantastic video. God bless my friend
Thanks Trev, I’ve sent you an email, I think this is the first competition I’ve ever won 😂
Keep up the great work 👍🏻
G G email received thank you, I’ll get it posted out to you soon, Cher Trev 👍
Yours is the only channel that makes 42 minutes seem like 20 and short ;) Love your work Trev, the haircut is looking schmick man, just noticed you lost the sideburns.... maybe it's coz I'm always interested in what you have to say and show! And your 5 speed is heaps better as a replacement, gotta love 5 gears, when I'm driving a 4 speed I always search for the fifth LOL Take care man.
Thanks for putting out the content, it is appreciated. 5 Speed box BTW.
@ 1:20 - kinda sounded like you said "offer it up against a Burk". Nearly did a a spit - take with my coffee! Are we promoting workplace aggression, Trev? ROFLOL!!!!! Guess it depends on how forcefully the panel patch is offered up... XD
Content and work are very good.
I just wish you could get to the point a little quicker.
Too much unnecessary “fluff”…
You"re too modest Trev...lol..You have waay too much experience to have to explain your methods...Anyone who argues is obviously an idiot or doesn't understand!!!!!....Simple As.......
Wowsers! It's a small world, you bought a pool ball gear knob from me. Though if it's for your van and you're using the type 9 gear lever then you bought the wrong size one. Er can I try and cheekily win a hammer? Type 9, 5 speed.
Hello, Trevor the Loquacious! I suggest you set up a Patreon account. I support a number of content providers on a monthly basis and would be glad to support you if only it was to see which shirt you wear each week. I'm just an old guy now, living in a apartment, but I do still enjoy learning about shaping metal. OK, listen. Whoever told you to save up all the van updates until the end is full of crap. I guarantee your subscribers and supporters numbers would jump up if you were giving weekly updates on the van. Projects, and well done projects in particular, are very popular on RUclips.
Nice work, Trev. You're a good teacher; now I know why body work is so expensive as it is quite an art; while still a profession and very time consuming. Personally, I've been a mechanic for about fifty years and have quite a bit of welding experience which includes socket welding high pressure hydraulic piping. Stick and MIG are my experience as TIG wasn't really into use widely at that time, (1970s and 80s). Massaging sheet metal for body panels hasn't been my forte, though. This is why I feel fortunate to have found your channel. Not all of us have access to the major tools of the trade such as English wheels an such, so it's quite refreshing to see how panels can be formed using what can be easily and economically procured. I thank you for taking the time to share your expertise.
I see guys hammering ashtrays, and propeller nose cones for aircraft at airshows. They use a leather bag filled with steel shot to for the ash tray bowl, but I don't stay long enough to see a propeller cone made.
They are actually selling soldering rods for aluminium, but hammer out parts to attract the crowds.
Thank you again for the great videos. Since things are slow during this time of year for RUclips channels, i.e., less revenue generated, I just placed an order for three hammers instead of one. I hope I don't prevent anyone from being able to purchase a hammer. I don't know how many hammers you have available. I will also continue to let the commercials complete, because that also generates advertising revenue. 5 gear speed box.
Trev Supporter from USA thanks for you continued support, the hammers have just been posted. I should be able to get some more for anyone that still would like one. Cheers Trev 👍
Has anyone got ideas where to get a cheap set of tools to learn with? I'm in the uk so. No access to harbour freight bodyworking tools. I got ill and want a creative outlet making armour for larp.
Gearbox is 5-speed Ford type9..
What kind camera systems you use doing these great videos?
jeantodt666 it’s a canon G7X cheers Trev 👍
I would love to see some old photos of what Sr. Ferrari had in his body shed. They say he had a tree stump on the floor. An old movie of the workers hammering would be priceless as well.
Thanks Trev. Dear me. Your ethic and explanation is most excellent. I benefit from this enormously. Cheers mate.
It now looks as if I’m trying too get money from you mate.....apologies I really don’t get on with confusers ! 😆😆
Your dead right with the shrinking with the file slapper the original idea came from a shrinking dolly with serrations on them u might remember them they were actually used to grip the tuck when u hammer it down to shrink it nobody knew how to use them and just thought hammering flat on the serrated dolly would shrink metal then they started making those meat tenderiser hammers and called them a shrinking hammer.
Just found this been trying to figure out how to make a sail pannel to put on a 65 corvair thanks for your knowledge kind sir.
And the fact you said it was a van that told me 5 speed had you said a car or truck I would have said a 6-speed probably but since you said a van once again a 5-speed
..sorry.."BIG"thanks...
Once again, thank you, thank you, thank you! In addition to your hands on skills you are an excellent teacher.
Hello Trev ,from New Zealand.
The new 5 speed gearbox in your van will be awesome.
The toothed shrinker leaves a lot of damage in the metal. I sanded the teeth off mine, and use it as a nice heavy slapper. Go Trev!
yup, you could call me a binge-watcher. but i'm all caught up now, and look forward to each new video.
I've just watched this vid. again; you know, the Old Timers Disease is starting and I forget things 😞 However, I digress, I think I have the answer to How To Shape A Curved Panel Without Special Tools?? And the answer is... Yuri Gellar. He of infamounity? (is that even a word? 'Infamounity, Infamounity. They've all got it in for me'.) Bends spoons don't he?! Jus' uses the Power of the Universe. "Warp Factor 6 Mr Sulu".
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Hey Trev, you're doing a wonderful job educating me on a subject I always found interesting but had next but had next to no knowledge of. I grew up as an auto mechanic with no teaching on body panel repair or building. Really enjoy how you make it "make sense ". Thanks
Double curve I got one on a dark fist and one on my finger 😭
hey! 🤘
Thanks guys with all say the wick with a red top to it
Hey 🤘
I've enjoyed many of your videos and I think you're a genius...just one question though....you aren't locking down your dolly nor your dolly holder to the base of the hardwood...wouldn't the prevention of the base movement give more curvature on each slapper blow? or is that just part of your preferred technique i.e. less indentation or curvature per slapper blow? OR are you just being lazy today? LOL Thanks!
James K Doherty makes no difference to the efficiency of the action because of the ballast within the tool. It does shovel on the wood after about 50 blows but I can live with that as the purpose behind the principle is being able to swap tooling about in seconds and also use the tools for multiple applications. Cheers Trev 👍
Great video Trev. Always great tips and advice on getting the job done from the master bodywork specialist ! i believe its a
5 speed type 9 ford Sierra gearbox Trev.
cabdriveruk thanks Jeff 👍
Hello Trev. hope your well. I wonder if I could ask why you bought the analogue ac/dc tig welder vis-vis the digital. Im wanting to get into welding aluminium. Ive never done it before so your advice I value. I spoke to Joe at Rtech he was saying the digital are best. any help gratefully recieved cheers Colin
Yes he may well be giving you good advice. I only got the analog because it was the identical one I was using at work. I’m pretty sure the digital ones have good presets so you haven’t got to be overly concerned with having the correct settings. Cheers Trev 👍
Shrink hammer; Your explaination gives more sense to it than I probably had before.
Have I understood it right? ; If I have a big stretch I do not want, way to shrink it, is to ding it with a needle hammer and then work the needle hammer ding, with shrink hammer and dolly? Right? ...Or wrong ? :D
I’ve done lots of videos on shrinking please watch more videos if you’re still unsure. Basically shrinking happens when the material becomes compressed along its length. A tuck or double fold that creates a rib will shrink if it’s sandwiched between a flat object and hammer blow because of the linear compression. Cheers Trev 👍
The only bad thing about this skill is the noise, and needing legal counsel to fight off the attacks by your nosey neighbors, who can't stand the noise. My neighbor complained because his security alarm recorded the hammering, and police were notified. I was just forming a bonnet louver!
Yep 100% I have found that doing anything other than going off to do a job and pay my bills, results in somebody poking their nose in. 👍
I saw Restolad fixing dents with slappers a few years ago. I think yours and his explanations compliment each other very well.
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Looking forward to the English wheel build. :)
Göran Karlsson Thanks yes I’ve seen it, he’s great isn’t he 👍
Also love the music in your videos. Would be interested in your music sources to see if I could find them on this side of the pond. Love having music playing some of the time when I'm putzing on projects, but not so much when working metal because it feels like the sound of the work is part of the feel for the metal. Which brings me to a question. Do you have a different feel for the metal when using a tool with a wooden handle verses a synthetic handle? I'm very new at this, but it seems like a wooden handle gives me better feedback from the metal. I guess a more delicate feel would be a way to describe it. Thanks!
I just search for music on RUclips, there are millions of tracks on RUclips. All of my hammers have wooden handles, I tend to find that getting used to using a specific tool by using it for hundreds of hours makes it more effective in use rather than buying something with a high price tag, although struggling with something cheap and ineffective is also totally pointless. Cheers Trev 👍
7.58 Teenage Mutant Nympho Slappers,
Trev, I love your video’s. But talk while your banging a piece of metal, ten min talking about metal looking a a sketch on paper does nothing for me! You have a great skill, and I learn something every Time!
Vic Forster Hi Vic it’s a shame you found the video less than perfect. Unfortunately it isn’t possible from my side to tailor make a video that’s going to please everybody. Many of the things I talk about are answering repeat questions from viewers. I currently spend well over an hour a day dealing with questions from confused viewers via email. I really don’t mind helping these people out but that time spent could be used to make more content. This is why I spend the time going into great detail about repeated questions. Cheers Trev 👍
Wanting to make some compound curvature panels to repair damaged spots on my 1970 airstream. Do you think this is doable for a rookie? English wheel or your hammer technique?
Anthony Trickle unfortunately I don’t know your personal abilities. This could be a difficult project especially as the airstream would be a metal finish. Cheers Trev 👍
What tools did you use , amazing and knowledgeable video thank you, what is even piece or tool that was used called? So I may purchase them? Thank you
I think I listed the names of the tools within the video. I’m pretty sure it was basically a dolly, panel hammer. Slapper/beating file. Cheers Trev 👍
Nice demo.
What about your singing carrier? So much talent so little time.
Once you pick up speed, you're like a humming bird's wings. Amazing.
3 17 am Trev you must be good as at this time I should be sleeping. Great information as always. Austin
Thanks
I really admire your feeling and knowledge of panels, you make it seem so simple.
5 speed ;)
Trev im a newbee to your channel and only have watched a few of your vids you have quiet a great talent working sheet metal shaping i enjoy learning more techniques on shaping stuff great job on the vids you are doing fer sure . ive have been into metal fabrications for years and i own and operate a small business doing metal fabs and art work i have a cnc plasma table and owning one creates a whole new world for creative ideas and are endless if your thinking of it i highly recommend getting set up with one i have been into plasma cutting 20 years now i just built my second table and they both paid for themselves with in two years and have been like playing a slot machine that pays you every time you pull the handle . if you need ideas for the ins and outs give me a shout good luck Bill
Decorative Iron Plus Hi Bill I have a cnc plasma table gifted to me to use on the blog. Cheers Trev 👍
Absolutely fantastic video, one can only aspire to be at your level, a quick question though so I'm starting to think it's far better/fun to replicate my own repair panels rather than paying silly money or that it is in my case many unavailable, if you was to start out today what basic kit or brands to look for, I've already got a decent older mig welder with gas like yours (165amp) and have done basic removal of rust and blending in patch on floors and sills ect areas in which are mainly flat but come to realise not all rust enjoys those areas 🤣🤣🤣 have you a video already on your page I've missed or is that an idea for one, thanks again trev keep up the hood work and hope family and friends are good and well!
Nice one Trev!👍💪always bit thanks to you and your work!🔝🔝
Great shrinkage explanation. Thank you : )
Watching yet again!😂😂🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼😎🍀☮️☮️☮️
That’d be a 5 speed trev, need one of your big shiney red tools to knock one out.... Missed them on eBay 😞
whoisay I’ve put in another order for some more. Cheers Trev 👍
love the explanations that go with the demonstrations. 5 speed
I didn't get to see it but I'm going to take a guess 5-speed
I kept thinking i was watching a video with shawn locke
Great informative video as always could you please do a in depth wiring video on your van
maballsa richie I’m only wiring the lights. I did some wiring stuff in part 19 of the van blog. Cheers Trev 👍
I’ve been trying to figure out how to cope without an English wheel, and then Trev to the rescue!
I finished my slapper and started knocking the dents out of my Austin Healey shroud, but I’ve got some repair patches that I will need to make up soon
Looking forward to your upcoming projects. I learn from all of your tips and tricks. Just goes to show that you CAN teach an old dog new tricks! Oh yeah, your van will have a type 9, 5 speed. 👍🏻 Get-er-done! 🇺🇸😎