PS4 Slim No Disc Feed - Good Fuses - Is it REALLY a dead Renesas IC?
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This video shows my investigations into PS4 slim consoles with no disc feed, where the BD-ROM drive fuses all test good. We have previously seen cases where F6202 blows open (link below to that video) but for a while now we've also been seeing consoles where the fuses are good, and so seemingly is everything else but the drive itself is dead. Many believe this to be a dead Renesas IC, but there are others out there who dispute this. The above video is my take on this issue, and my findings on inspecting a console exhibiting this behavior, and why I have come to the conclusion I have with regards to the failure.
In short, We need "right to repair" to pass in the US and EU pretty damn quickly because there are a LOT of consoles dying from this particular issue, and many are going to end up in landfill for no good reason other than independent repair not having access to the correct tools and parts to fix the (what should on the face of things be fairly simple) issues at hand.
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- PS4 Slim CUH-2xxx BD-ROM No Disc Feed - Fault Diagnosis and Board Repair (SAD-001) - SU-42118-6
• PS4 Slim CUH-2xxx BD-R...
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These are infuriating whenever I run into them. It's always a Slim (at least, I haven't run into the same issue on the others). Thanks for doing all the leg-work on this, the confirmation is at least validating!
Thank you so much!!. Fuse F6202 was bad, I replaced and it worked!! You're the best
Hi Andrew I had the same problem on a board a few months ago. It wouldn't update due the dead disc drive, (su42118-6) so did the usual check fuses, swap disc drive ect. Still nothing, so tried a few other things like yourself and got nowhere fast. So out of interest, I know it wouldn't be able to read discs but I swapped the renesas chip to see if it gave me disc power and low and behold it worked! So I managed to do an update, thought great ok at least it can be used as a digital console.....not so fast, 3 months later Sony brings out another update 7.51 which checks the renesas chip and throws me ce35888-2.😩 Oh well doesn't look like we can do anything about these. Some great info there as always Andrew many thanks. You've probably read the forum where I had this problem but in case you didn't here's the link. www.tronicsfixforum.com/t/ps4-slim-disc-feeder-issue-its-not-the-fuse/747/23
Just want to say a big thank you to you.
Your videos helped me to find out what was the exact issue with my PS4 which allowed me to fixed it myself for just $10 instead of the $140 plus that repairs shops were going to charge me.
Hi Andrew, i am from Hungary, and first of all i would like to thank you for your videos, and that you share your work with us. I have 2 SAD-001 boards with "no disc feed" issue, and i came to the same conclusion, i have checked all the fuses, and tried changing the BD7764MUV, i've ordered them from China,tried 3 of 5 but with no luck, i have no known good board by me, so i can't test them if they work or not. But assuming they are good, is nothing more left then the Renesas IC. If i can help you and you need to compare voltages, feel free to contact me, but you have prooved with these video that the Renesas IC must be the culprit. Excuse me my English it's not my native Language
LOVE IT MAN, very cool i been soldering for awhile, just got back into it again and have a couple in need of repair
Thanks for this video Andrew! I'm actually working on a slim with this exact problem.. Now I have a few more things to check into. All fuses were good, and I was at a loss... Keep up the good work!
This may or may not be appliable here but I used to work at a TV shop in the early 2000's and in some cases when a chip was not available the techs would look up IC block diagram and rebulid the part of IC that was defective by building a small circuit to the affected pads with transistors.
Not applicable
@1:12 - I was about to say pin 6 was looking a bit out of place, but later on you say you did it while troubleshooting. Good job.
I am wondering if you have tried to measure resistance from the pin to ground? (Red multimeter probe to ground, Black probe to pin 6 - and reverse to see if there's a difference - no diode check - and then do the same to the Renesas ic's supply)
There is a phenomenon called Latch-Up - which is a real annoyance to track down: www.ti.com/lit/wp/scaa124/scaa124.pdf
"What is Latch-Up? Latch-Up is a condition where a low impedance path is created between a supply pin and ground. This condition is caused by a trigger (current injection or overvoltage), but once activated, the low impedance path remains even after the trigger is no longer present. This low impedance path may cause system upset or catastrophic damage due to excessive current levels. The Latch-Up condition typically requires a power cycle to eliminate the low impedance path."
"Temperature effects (external and internal to the product) can also influencet he Latch-Up immunity of products. As temperature increases, the substrate and well resistances rise allowing the bias to reach a critical value sooner."
- this means it *might* be possible to save the chip by heating it up/removing it from the PCB - cooling it down somewhat quickly to shock the gates back into 'normal operating mode' - and mounting it back again. No guarantees, but it appears dead as you say - and if the resistance is near 0 ohms to ground or supply - you might be in luck, and have something to go by. Power glitching has been used to do many things, mostly dumping smart-cards - but it might also be possible to do a p'n'litch - and get it working again, a bit like the washer trick - nobody can say how long, if at all, it works.
I don't mind watching stuff that doesn't get fixed in the end - it is the effort that counts, and the community interaction that makes it worth while. Thanks! it was/is a great video.
I'll be sure to check that out. You never do know your luck in a raffle ha ha! Many thanks for the info. :)
We need to dump the data on the renesas and reprogram a new chip or if we could re marry an other drive chip. im sure in the future when some kind of jailbreak comes out for the kernel we should be able to remarry a new chip in there just like the ps3. Also what i do to confirm renesas is i swap the chip with another one from the same type of the motherboard. and if the drive comes back to life i know its the renesas . unfortunately this method is only to test and the new chip wont work since its married to some other console.
Can't win them all Andrew. Keep up the good work. Mick
i got one the same issue everything tests fine all fuses are good. only saving grace is it will still update so digital it will continue to live but without a disc drive its not great. Hope you and family are keeping good
Same problem
Did you found the error?
Hi, I have the same issue. Did you find a fix?
Carbon copy on my desk! done plenty of these in the past soon as you upload a video I get a duffer!
SAD-001 says it all then huh? ;) Are the chips not replaceable mate? Are they programmable?
1 Step AheaD of PS5 Digital Edition. Slim phat chance on that ;)
- if it is not fixable due to bad Renesas, the console still has a future as SAD-B4 - though some waiting might be required until it can be Rescued successfully by a jailbreak
Nice video, i have 2 ps4 pros, replaced F6202 fuses nut BD Rom drives take a disc 1 time but never seats it, eject works all the time. Replaced both sensors and motor, cant see any other issues, i guess both drives need fully replacing, all other mobo fuses have continuity unless the Motor IC is the issue but not sure how to test that....
I enjoyed the video. You did your best. Till the next video sir.
Thanks, I just had to replace a fuse on PS4 slim luckily it was just one of the fuses but it got me thinking if all fuses are good and it's a known good drive what the next actions to take would be this is very helpful it was 6202 that had blown a friend on Facebook had told me its usually 6202 and he was right it certainly was I am used to working on PS4 phat but I am starting to become more familiar with the other PS4 boards. Really love your videos great work.
where did you find a new F6202 fuse to buy? I have a BD disc drive that wont insert disc and all rollers/gears appear mechanically sound.
my ps4 slim just beeps once and won't start also there's no blue light only beep one eject button beeps 3 time please tell me what's wrong with it do I need to change power supply or it has problem with processor
Same problem on PS4 Pro. Changed BD-Chip, all fuses OK.
The PlayStation 4 slim are garbage ... especially after Sony did the update.. Bricking peoples devices if there disk drive didn’t work they can’t update ..Which therefore they can’t use the game council Online..I’ve seen this issue a lot with the fuses been blowing..too Also a lot of them with dead APU’s Because they decided to slim the board down with it being thinner and smaller I believe it doesn’t dissipate the heat as much red hot APU’s
would Not recommend people to buy the Slims
Absolutely. For anyone reading this and thinking of buying a PS4 slim, please don't and save yourself the hassle.
Andrew Paul Yes that’s what I tell everybody...Get the old one ☝️ a.k.a. PlayStation 4 Fat Boys
mine ps4 slim is dead after the update
Just fixed one and was about to keep it lol NVM then
A schematic would help, I have the same system it will take the disk but it ejects as soon as it is taken in. It kinda acts like a disk is in it, it will eject with no disk in it every so many seconds.
Thanks friend for sharing your knowledge with all of us, and sorry for my bad English.
feels good to know my xbox will be fixed by you!
Cheers bud - hopeful to get to it over the weekend :)
Love your videos, so much good info! I have a slim (SAD-002 board) that is stuck in the update loop with error SU-30677-3. The disc drive load sensor works (will turn on the console if I stick a disc in), but otherwise the drive appears to be dead (won't feed). I was hoping it would be one of the fuses, but I checked F6201, F6202, F6001, and F5103 and they are all fine. I understand it could be the BD7764MUV chip, something in the drive itself (motor, switch, etc), or the (!) renesas. I'm just a hobbyist and don't have another working console to check the drive in, but I'm going to see if I can get one somewhere. Any idea if it's possible to narrow down the fault a little further, short of just replacing things and seeing if it works? I'm hesitant to invest too much in it if it might just be the renesas, which would be a dead end. Thanks in advance!
I have come across a very similar issue a little bit ago. All fuses checked good and voltages appeared to correct as well. Turned out to be some kind of issue with the 7.50(I think) update and the hdd. I had to replace the hdd and download everything and it worked for me and still running strong.
I just had an SU-42118-6 error after just triying to update with the 9.0, began to test all fuses, all were ok, then began to think about this chip, and, well, i don't know if it can be replaceable now.
After triying the 9.0 update my drive stoped taking (or ejecting) disc's but if i put a disc in the tray it powered the ps4, from there i just had that error code.
I think the problem are the updates, we began hearing about this problems since the 8.50 and a lot of them ended up in the Renesas, maybe because they were testing the waters to erase the CBOMB (8.50) and they ended up touching a little more in the Renesas that maybe just blowed up.
I have exactly the same problem
Got the same problem game won't update because of that error
do you solve the problem?
if that's the case then sony is literally destroying our ps4's which is not fair to us people who play and pay for the damn console, this is an outrage.
I have one of that also all the fuse are ok but is still not taking in CD try everything I been looking for a way to fix it with this video I no now is a lose cause I will call it COVID-19 🦠 Slim PS4 😆😆😆 nice work Mr.Paul keep it coming 👍
Hey Andrew, I don't want to rush you or anything, just that I saw a comment from you saying that your email spam filter can sometimes filter legitimate emails, I was wondering if you received an email from me, related to a PS4 Pro broken 5v motherboard connector, from Portugal. Best regards, and great video as usual.
Had one of the PS4 1000 series blu ray drive plays dead on me as it showing laser activity but no beeps or inserting/exiting disk but it does point toward the ribbon cable from the drive to main board if I twist or move the drive it does wake up to beeping. Inspect the cable if it missing the locking taps or missing gold pins it best to replace the cable as it only takes a few times before the cable goes busted
Eres muy grande Andrew👌👌👍👍
Maybe the output stage is faulty from the chip so could you try and dump the contents in order to try and flash onto a donor Ic?
the chip at 10:36 the right side looks like all pns are bridged
It's a trick of the light bud, they weren't.
great video bro
I have a very similar problem but with a SAD-003 board, no renesas chip but a mediatek one.
Checked the fuses, all of them are ok.
I don't know what to do now...
Do you have some advice for things to look for on this particular board?
Thanks 😙
Thanx for you ❤❤
Me paso con PS4 que no funcionaba, la lectora BD ROM se daño el fusible F 6202, no tenía fusible de repuesto para cambiar, le solde 2 cables y los saque al exterior y le coloque un fusible tubo de vidrio de 2 amper. Comenzó a funcionar y el problema.a que surgió que al usar juegos en discos la PS4 se protege por alta temperatura. Reproduciendo vídeos en RUclips funciona bien
Hi,
I have the same issue , its not feeding the disc it is a slim the drive is reactless and its beeps when i push eject button,
All the fuses are okay, no damaged capacitor or resistors to see with multimeter : (
How i can check id the BDIC9685 is broken or the renasis ic, how i can know if one of these is defective ?
thx a big times 😞
Any bad news is good news from you A.P malfunctioning mboards or chip awareness is needed,Thank you again
Hi Andrew. I got a question to you. I am always watching since years your vids, done some private (not commercial) repairs here in germany but what i am missing is always.. the information what equipment you are using and specially which melting point you got, for example HDMI port or APU /ps3 Grafik and or CPU .
So exactly i found out my way for the ports, but not for the APU (PS4) and ps3 (grafik and CPU). You may help out ? I am from germany and private.
Best regards and thanks in advance,
Michael
Hi Michael,
Lead-free solder will melt at around 218C so you'll need to ensure that you have thermal probes set up around the base of the chip to ensure you have a stable, even temperature prior to lift. I usually set my reflow profile to 225C max which should be enough to comfortably shift the APUs.
Hi Andrew, id like to ask what kind/brand of flux you use and also where do you get those flux paintbrushes with the stiff bristles. Loving the channel
The flux is Amtech NC-559-V2-TF.
The brushes I honestly have no idea - they were given to me, probably 10 years back at least.
@@AndrewPaul UK supplier for flux? Could I use normal roisin for a Renesas swap with hot air for a faulty Blu-ray? Also have some liquid stuff (Topnik).
Have an iron, but the tip isn't particularly for microsoldering. Have a donor board of same BDP etc.
Best chance of being able to do this? Flux, hot air (450c?), remove Renesas from both boards (mark original), clean boards, tin donor pads with leaded solder, clean with iso, hot air again to solder to board?
Any tips? Have solder braid etc. too. Just having a first go at this and don't care how long it takes as long as it has the best chance of working.
Hi Andrew, what do you think about these: www.psxhax.com/threads/ps4-syscon-read-write-helper-for-system-controller-dumps-via-egycnq.9597/ ? That could maybe help with those boards...
hey and great vid
Been scratching my head on this issue too.. I got bunch of these boards that have the same issue. Its sad :(
Sir i have ps4 slim .when i press power button its fan turns a bit and than it continue giving blue light for about 12 to 15 secnds then all power off .APU is heating .can you give some sujjestion .sorry for my bad english
So, as I understood that's the chip that's 'married' to the drive... I always wonder what's the point of doing that, I mean why prevent drives to be replaced, seems a bit counterintuitive... Maybe someone could explain why Sony does this...
XBOX is the same, drives are per-box and married to the console main board.
I can only presume it's due to all the XBOX 360 drive firmware hacks which were doing the rounds years ago so to prevent people messing with the drives and keys, they're all now per-box and encrypted.
@@AndrewPaul I think it goes back a bit further than that and the idea for keyed drives comes from original xbox hacks. the 360s also had per console dvd keys but they were easily bypassed because you could read and modify the fw with a pc. Im sure there was a hack with the original xbox where you could connect a common PC IDE drive to play backups so on the 360 they added an additional layer of security.
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Hey Andrew.. Long time man.. I need your help once again.. I have a ps4 regular that had the WLOD changed the IC Encoder chip and hdmi port.. Now i only get picture from two out of five hdmi port.. what can that be
your issue makes no sense. are you saying you got it to work. then tried another port. total of 5. busy people like andrew paul need a clear description if you want help.
Does anyone know why they pair the disc drive IC to the motherboard. Is it for of the disc encryption purposes?
When does your hp go online?
Hello Andrew I’ve been looking through ur channel lately and I’ve been searching for a video where u can help me fix my DC Input Power Supply Connector for PS4 Motherboard, but it’s seems that u have never considered doing a vid about it . If u could help it would be amazing and plz would u let me know if I can contact u any other way, thank u 😊
I am unable to solve unrecognised disc error on ps4 .i replaced optical lence but same fault
QUESTION FOR YOU ANDREW, I DID REPLACE FUSE 6202 BY SHORT , SOLDERING ONLY. iS IT DANGEROUS OR SHOULD I PUT A FUSE? Take easy words please, i'm french. Thank's mate!
May damage BRD
Haven't ran into this issue. It's always been the fuses. @Andrew: Have you used voltage injection to find shorts. I'm trying to figure out no power on issue with PS4 Pros with known good PSU and SouthBridges. DrMos blew traces on one and 5v rail slowly drains.
I've used it before to good effect on XBOX One S consoles and MacBooks. Not had a Pro with no power in (well, at least one without liquid chucked in it!) as yet so not really had chance to give that particular issue a look over as yet.
Hi AndrewPaul. How are you? It's ok? I have a simil problem with one ps4 slim. The console no feed disc. The all fuse it's ok. I noticed some times not always excessive heat on two components two mosfets. I tried to replace them by taking them from a ps4 that does not have the defect and replacing them the console turns on and off immediately. While with the two original mosfets even if one is partially defective the console turns on without problems. What do you think about it? If it were actually a Renesas problem we cannot replace it at the moment except by doing a remarry that at the moment we can only do through jailbreak I think. What do you think about it? Maybe I send a photo by email so you can better understand which components I speak. Thank you. ibb.co/bXGczWs Andrew I thought another thing. Could it be a crystal malfunction near them?
Same issue where is this 7.5
So how do you know that the test point that should read 8 Volts with a disc in goes to that capacitor and those 2 pins on the chip? How do you troubleshoot that?
Essentially it's a case of sticking the DMM into continuity mode, one pin on the test pad I'd scratched in and the other you touch around the other components until you find a point which offers continuity. At that stage you know you have found the next point along the trace. Keep following it back as long as needed to trace out that entire line.
@@AndrewPaul Oh so trial and error. Got it, thanks mate!
Can you swap motherboards between ps4 slims without having to do any marrying? If they are the same model of course
I've put a 002 into a 003 successfully.
Some have different ribbon connection points.
I just compared pictures to my faulty board
SAE-003 dead renesas, can replace?
Sadly not without a matched NOR/APU swap.
Hi.
A have cae-004, after falling.
After reball south bridge and vram, it’s started.
But bddrive bad reading discs.
Other good drivers same working on this board.
Resoldering mediatek and other not helps me.
May be mediatek dieying?
Bd drive’s laser head do noise. But lense good.
Please help me!!!!(
Resoldering again mediatek helps me😃😃😃😃😃
Hi! I have the same problem! I changed the Renesas chip. The behavior has not changed. I don't think it's about this chip.
Fixed it!))
The update via Recovery helped!
Hi, I have the same issue. Can you explain how you fixed it?
Excellent news, nice fix!
You are the 🐐
Thank you :)
@@AndrewPaul hope your health is better! because without you alot of repairable machines would go to the landfill. Thank you
Hello andrew i have a xbox one x that turns on and then turns off right away i replace the power supply inside of it and is still doing the same thing what can i replace on the motherboard to fix this
have you got a short on 12v rail?
maybe due to overheat
do you fixed ps4 slim PBLOD with nor dump repair?
No, not as yet.
@@AndrewPaul sir its humble request to fix pulsing blod on slim ps4 i have too many ps4 on pulsing blod thanks in advance
I have ps4 slim 500GB motherboard F6201 and F6202 is already good and work butt drive not working
Change the another drive butt same problem
Plz give me a information
Well you're on the right video. There's not much else to tell you sadly if all the fuses check out. There are three or four total, be sure to check the others too.
Hi I have a ps4 pro slim model and when the console is cold it will play games just fine for as long as i want to. as soon as i eject the disc and re insert the same disc the laser will refuse to read the disc. I have tried blurays dvds cd's and nothing will read when it is warm. I originally thought it was the laser needing replacement but it doesn't make sense that the console will play for hours problem free if the disc is never removed. is there a sort of one time check that the blueray logic does to initialise a disc, im dubious to buy a new laser mechanism when I think it is the logic board at fault. anything you have ever come across? thanks.
That could be loose cable from the drive to main board as once it start shaking or moving causing the connection to disconnect
Hi Paul brother
Hi :)
Andrew Paul need ur help
Replace and reprogram
You can't... unless you're Sony.
SaB-001
Another good video! Check email mate
Hi Mate, I have same slim ps4 but slightly differant layout (board nubmer 1-982-479-11) same error code firmeware not updating
blue ray drive not taking any disk inside , I have check the fuses seemd to all good ..any help please
To my knowledge the Renesas is replaceable on ps4 slim/pro/cuh-1200