Simon Jordan RAGES Against Mainstream Media Over Their Reporting Of The 'Rift' At Man United! 😡🔥
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
- Manchester United banned four journalists from Erik ten Hag's press conference yesterday. talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy discuss.
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"media have changed from reporting news to creating news". Never a truer word spoken.
100%
Sooo true
United is dead and buried
Remember when this was just the plot of a Bond film lol
It's true, its just a bit hypocritical from Simon who comments on things all the time without confirming anything
Jordan speaking pure facts
first time in months ive agreed with him too good to see
Media needs to be held accountable. So many of them these days gets away with bullshits that has no merit to it.
They believe themselves better than you hence Jim’s defence of them because he is one and thinks the common person is so dumb and that they need the media to tell them how it really is when in reality they make up their own reality and live in a bubble.
wrong - media holds the clubs to account - and its a free press and opinion is quite rightly allowed
@@prvvideoonline7993but it’s fairly common to go to the party who the accusations are against for their comment. If this wasn’t done and the club want to ban journalists from those publications from attending press conferences, I don’t see a problem with that.
It’s not an attack on journalism but an attack on bad journalism. The fact that some are hiding behind Freedom of Press arguments is very telling…
@@prvvideoonline7993you're misunderstanding 'free press' it doesn't mean you can say whatever you want without being able to respond. It's common practice
The media causes rifts and hide behind the quote "sauce" and they are covered. Is simon the only one that understands this, or are the other two just lairs. Bet they do a column in some paper somewhere.
Well that went pretty much how I thought it would, Jim defending the lying press, Simon going against him and little Danny saying he hasn't actually read any of it while trying to form a coherent opinion on anything.
lol
Simon kinda painted himself into a corner
😂I swear I was just about to say this. Jim is as facetious as ever man city have been banning journalist left and right and it isn't even a story😂
no they havnt 🤣 - you should be a journalist you would fit in @@Alloyd876
I swear how Danny makes a living from (giving an opinion ) while he isn't capable of forming a complete sentence with substance or form an argument should be studied
He works for most media outlets, btw😂😂😂
Jim defends and agrees with Simon 99% of the time until it becomes about his own profession.. And Danny Murphy!! "I haven't read it so I don't know... however HERE's an opinion on it"😖😖
Spot on. Always happy to be Simon's chief cheerleader until it's turned on him
Danny is nothing but a bitter ex scouser lmfao and Jim’s a clown clearly he’s made up a lot of bullcrap hence his defence here and why he’s so against reaching out for comment to the other side of the story hahahah
@@jabronisauce6833And now in English, please.
@@jabronisauce6833 he shouldnt be on the media very unprofessional fool.. Fergie would have banned him for life
I agree with Simon totally
They want to undermine Ten Hag and put negative news.
Simone has made his argument as simple as possible and they still don't get it
Because for one simple reason it doesnt make sense- how many of these manu stories have we been hearing all season long now? I highly doubt and im sure u agree that not all of the writers of those headlines and articles talked to manu representatives before releasing it.
And lets say they did, every single time, well idk about u but id find it a bit odd my sports news is in bed with all the teams and has to run every story by them first… and in Trump-fashion they will employ scare tactics by banning u for essentially not playing ball with them.
All this… all for a heads up on ANOTHER anti ten hag story? Just doesnt make sense
Simon was bang on. The media now operates like a cartel
Diego?
Because they're hacks. Especially Danny.
Agreed. Not only doesn’t Jim get it, but he struggles to argue his point even with the help of the producers shouting into his headphones. Sort your headphone volumes boys, you’re making Jim look he’s not capable of an original thought or question - not something he needs much help with. Has Danny ever argued a point without returning to his “I’ve played the game” mantra ?
Jim getting uptight because he makes shite up all the time and is terrified of getting called out
Imagine if it happened at Liverpool and klopp did this. Murphy would be protecting them to the hill. He’s so anti United it’s an absolute joke.
Klopp wouldn't have to.
@@SBandytrue. But that's not the point is it?
Simple united messed up his childhood and kids childhood....
@@pearsedelargy2317and especially after today's match performance, we can say the dressing room is behind ETH.
No one even cared when Liverpool were terrible last season. It was barely even talked about.
Jordan is right!!! Jim totally missing the point. Simon is not saying they can’t run the story. But they should have given the club opportunity to comment. They can still run the story regardless.
Let’s be honest… a lot of journalists are scum.
Most journalists wouldn't do this. But tabloids and sports journalists...
@@Pixiesforever7 Have you been living under a rock, the media is a joke in general. Sports journalism is actually better than regular journalism
True say. Utd should have the opportunity to comment and not doing so gave utd the opportunity to create their own narrative. But fact is everything is not well at utd. It's clear EtH is focusing on lesser things and ignoring the big picture. Sack this clown right now. He has nothing more to offer.
Murphy is not getting it. These so called twitter journalists have been doing these for years week in week out against manutd. Always rushing to be the first one to release a story about so called leaks.
Jim White : It's not Just from one source, it's not like Journalists have got together and sad; Lets go with this?
Ok Jim well how come it was almost reported at the same time unilaterally????
Jim absolutely mental in this one
He’s a journo he’s gutted that journalists are getting called out lmfao
For a grown man Jim argues like a child. We all know the source of the story is within the dressing room and the purpose of it is to unseat the manager.
Jim’s a pain in the …
It's literally his job to play devil's advocate and say the exact opposite thing that his guests are saying. What a bizarre thing to be crying about. Lol
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot Thats Simons job!
His job is to play devils advocate so SJ can argue against the points he’s making. He does it every time
@@eXpressYourselfClips Er no it's not
I agree with Simon, as a journalist one of the things your taught is to always reach out for a comment so the fact that not 1, not 2 but 4 journalists ran with this story without reaching out for a comment stinks.
plus jim was basically making out as if each journalist had different info coming there way from different sources yet made the same conclusion and they all said the figure of 50% so they are trying to say half of the team want him out when in reality one as broke the story which the others have just gone with and printed now if anyone as leaked this bullshine its rashfords camp to take the heat of how garbage he as been and also sancho may well have leaked it as well after a chin wag with rashford
A journalist who doesn't know the difference between your and you're. Rightio, sunshine.
@@liamluther TBF, the bar is extremely low these days. I've seen typos in national newspapers.
@@liamluthernice 😂
Tbf 4 journalists seems to suggest that the MU press office hasn’t extended professional courtesy to them
Simon is 100% correct.
embarrassing from Jim and Danny here, really poor understanding of the situation, Danny hasn't read it but seems to have a lot to say and Jim just defending media lies shamelessly
Manchester United decided to stop getting bullied by Journo Scum and Jim White takes issue with that, Shock n Horror
If they believe its factually correct they should ensure they consult all sides. Simons right Jims not!
Journalists think they are a law to themselves
Jordon is 💯 right in this, Jim is backing his ex-SkySports colleagues as he was part of the press. If Fergie could do it many years ago, why couldn't Utd do it now!
Is* not was
At the very least maybe MUFC is finally sick of the media throwing players and managers under the bus… they aren’t obligated to just sit and take it
Correct
Maybe MUFC shouldn't be so dysfunctional on the pitch, in the management, the boardroom and the ground, they need to get their act together across the club then the media will stop writing about it.
@@RushfanUK Utd create news regardless of all that, has done for over half a century and there's nothing new to it..
@@RushfanUK no the media will never stop writing about Man Utd
Wait so it’s okay for the manager to use his press conferences to throw his own players under the bus as he did with Sancho? Or for Ronaldo to do it to ten Hag?
Seems a bit hypocritical for them to feel upset about that specific facet of it.
10:28 producer giving Jim his arguments
Jim really is a puppet😂
Least surprising things I’ve seen on TalkSport. Jim is essentially a talking newspaper headline who only exists to stir up arguments and create their RUclips video titles.
He’s never once said anything of substance.
I do wonder he always wear headphones when they are debating things and the other guys don’t wear headphones
Glad I wasn’t the only one that heard.. it’s obvious these lot do EVERYTHING for clicks
It actually happens in most studios. News, entertainment etc. Nothing new.
The disdain is the fact that the English Media does not like TenHag
I don’t like him either. Seven Hag useless incompetent coach spent £400M+ with zero results.
But as Simon well said media is creating (fake)news
"English media" blah blah blah. Watch another league if we offend you so much
I don't think ETH is the target. The target is united and he just happens to be there. Its happened to all the managers.
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot We??? Are you part of the english media?🤡
Scottish and Welse and Irish and rest of the world You asked everybody ?
Journalists are not columnists. You report the news, not give your opinion about the news.
Don’t be naive, the aim is to increase the number of people who read your articles etc they’re not on a morale crusade
ITN dont BBC dont
Sometimes is not even a opinion about the news. They created the news, they reported ETH loss 50% of the dressing room, where the hell they got that figure from? No evidence or reference means they created that figure and news. Murphy just want to argue.
Questions these journalists are asking are about football tactics, players in positions , why this player ain’t playing , why this player is playing in a different position etc needed to have been shut down months ago by the manager he should have said , I’m the manager and I coach the team to play my way , your a journo hack I ain’t explaining myself to you lot , and as for this dressing room nonsense , that’s why now after all this time Erik has finally shut them down . Should have happened a lot sooner imo .
Sports media isn’t journalism. It’s capitalism.
Plenty of people would believe a negative story about United, Danny Murphy. Many people would choose to believe even if they know better purely because it's United.
Look at Jim defending his lot 😆 He's press through and through no matter what they do.
@@user-tn8uu2cu8gEnough already. This is a sports channel, not a religious one.
@@siouzsie just report the account for misinformation its all i do when i see all bot accounts spam commenting about allah and other such nonsense.
What about the journalist who said that they love when Man Utd are in turmoil. This has happened with the last 5 managers and has to stop .
There was a "journalist" who worked for Talksport (I want to say Troy Deeney but I'm not 100% sure if it was) that has recently told a United Podcast that when he worked for Talksport, they were always told to speak about united no matter what, good or bad (but bad gets more views) as news about united gets more clicks etc. So it stands to reason that these people WILL make up stories to fill more united coverage
@@stevegreen9612it's a different journalist you're thinking of (I can't remember his name either) but Troy Deeney himself said on Ben Fosters Podcast that he removed himself from Talksport due to the pressures from above to deliberately say outrageous comments just to cause controversy.
@CharlesDarkson that explain why Agbonglahor is still employed then.... 😂
@@stevegreen9612 Box ticking exercise.
This was kinda a new low for Jim, every time Simon said anything, Jim just pulled out the straw man, every...single...time.
That's literally his job. Weird thing to cry about
@jhpfdijtuiweruot no crying in the post. And it's not his job to straw man, it's his job to make real arguments.
@@zs3000 Jim White's words made you cry in public. Please continue. Let it all out >>>
@@jhpfdijtuiweruot How are you defending someone pulling out straw man arguments? 😂 And your counterargument is "stop crying." Seen you on another post, defending Rashford, same thing. What a weird guy. Watching United over all these years finally got to him.
Jim is a sneaky rat always has been
Danny, it's called 'accountability'.
The irony is not lost on me that the discussion is on how the media often misrepresent events and then Talksport post the title of the video "Simon Jordan RAGES Against Mainstream Media...".
Danny would have a different viewpoint if this was his beloved Liverpool
Is Danny slow or something Simon saying the same thing 10 different ways 😂😂😂
Are the journalists not destroying the reputation of the club?
Absolutely, and off the back off that the fans believe it, hence the toxicity.
no. the manager and the senior players who this fanbase praises for doing fuckall is destroying the reputation of the club by giving our rivals trophies every year and getting thrashed every year by liverpool
@@Jackiiiiiiiii Man utd are done and from now on will be run of the mill. Within 5 years will be spoken about to the level of Fulham if their lucky
@@Dancode_The_Onekeep dreaming 😂😂
Bit late ..united been finished a long time ago
50% of the dressing room? did they interview everyone in the united dressing room? no so they can't know. so they are LYING
how do you know they are lying? what makes you think that the dressing room is behind this clown manager? because what i see on the pitch it looks like he has lost way more than 50 per cent of the dressing room.
@@Jackiiiiiiiiilol😂 the salt is strong with this one
@@JackiiiiiiiiiBut how do you know they aren’t?
@@bobsocks7575 cause I see the shite performances on the pitch with my eyes pal.
@@Jackiiiiiiiii Oh so utter speculation on your part
Simon is spot on!!
Cantona said it best about journalists.
SEAGULLS VS TRAWLER
if it was on liverpool Murphy wouldve reacted differently
Jim defending his mates as usual
JIM...JIM...JIM...what the media do is THEIR NEWS...maybe not Fake News but it's sure comes CLOSE!!! THANK YOU for Simon being in this SHOW....just imagine Jim is a journalist and had to be told what they DO....
Jim's portrayal of the media's innocence is insufferable.
@@user-tn8uu2cu8g always one ain't there.
10:27 you can literally hear the people telling Jim what to say 😂
@@user-tn8uu2cu8g "blah blah blah, there is no god blah blah blah"
I agree
I heard it too, just makes what Jordan was saying even more true. Jim lost the plot here.
That is common in any studio setting be it sports, news, entertainment.
The problem is that the story isn't factual, its opinion. Unless they have confirmed with half of the United dressing room that they are all against the manager, what they are reporting is that one or two people within/involved with the club are of the opinion that half the dressing room have turned against Ten Hag.
The issue is the manner in which it is reported puts its across as if it is a fact.
This isn't actually that uncommon, its exactly the same thing thats happens with politics and polititions all the time.
Its not that the media is inventing or creating a story or a narrative. They just report because it sells. The person/people creating the story are within the club. The problem is that opinions get treated as facts and the sources then given the protection. Opinion pieces should have the source mentioned, because an opinion is only worth as much as the person who's opinion it is. Sources should be protected, but only when they are supplying facts. Unless the story goes on to contain information that states that the media organisations has contacted half of the United squad and confirmed this (and newflash, none of them do) it is not a fact, its an opinion and should be reported as such and the person whoms opinion it is should be public.
Jordan almost hit on this himself. If he has an opinion, he will state it, but he can be questioned on it. This is an opinion, but theres no way to question it, because we don't know where it comes from. You can't question the media organisation of it, because its not thier opinion, they are just reporting it. Thats the problem. If you going to make opinions public, you must be able to question that opinion.
How would a source be protected if they have to be named for the article? That doesn’t make any sense. You are writing a lot of words without saying anything substantive. Do you mean it should be illegal to write a tweet or a web article that’s based on unsourced claims? You’re saying it’s a problem so what is the solution? Spouting off empty platitudes like Simon doesn’t accomplish anything, it’s just whining.
@@TP-pq9xx Sources should be protected if they are providing actual evidence, as that evidence itself can easily be examined.
Sources that are only providing hearsay should not be protected, as there is no evidence to examine.
The media frequantly use source protection to run stories that are either entirely incorrect, or massively distorted, due to the extreme difficulty in pushing back against it due to source protection. And it also used by non-media personel to use the media to push thier own narratives and agenda's.
The solution would be a change in slander/defamation legaslation to require media organisations to provide a much higher standard of evidence. The reason these stories are easy to print is because the bar is far to low, as there is very little someone can do when a major media organisations goes "We got the story from a source, we believe them and we also can't name them because source protection."
Another option would be a clearer definition of public interest. Again, this would get classed as public interest. I would argue it is not. There is no crime, no shady behaviour. There no accusation that Ten Hag is abusing the players. The only questionable treatment that is mentioned would be regarding Sancho and that information is entirely in the public domain already. There is no benefit to society from this story aside from morbid curiosity. Hense it should not qualify for public interest protection.
Coming back to the point covered by Danny, Marcus Rashford and Jadon Sancho have downed tools over 3 managers and some other players amongst them! You can’t sit there and think of winning or hitting targets, even if you are Pep, with such mis-characters in a team…so this is not an EtH conversation, but an organizational structure and culture issue
It’s a personal attack on a manager when they know new people coming in to get him the sack
Its not personal. Its professional
@@nc3music920 if people tried to get u sacked I’m sure ud take it personally
I agree Journalists are no longer in the business of "reporting news" not just sports, ALL news media has subscribed to this! now its all about controversy, clicks and views. BUT! Mourinho had to endure BRUTAL disrespectful treatment from the media and he never banned anyone from the press room. He put them in their place! RESPECT!
Danny is like the little teenager around a family dinner trying to talk about politics 😂
Simon is bag on! Jim should go and work for the Scum Media. He is suited for it!
i bet not a one of those journalists would put pen to paper and tell united who the supposed 50% actually are
If the story is true, whoever told them would have obviously done it off the record. Journalists have to protect their sources. Thats the bread and butter of journalism
Its every journalist job to tell the truth
Jim is so supremely confident those journalists didn’t just invent a story about Man Utd for engagement for a guy that has no clue where the info was sourced 😅
Biggest story of the season related to United this year was the Mason Greenwood return. The Athletic got the intel before the announcement and gave the club right of reply before publishing. Club chose not to reply and posted their statement when the article was published.
That’s professionalism in journalism and the reason The Athletic has become one of the most reputable orgs in the business lately.
Exactly! 👏
Creating a story based on false information that will affect the share price of a company from which individuals in the media publishing that story profit from it is problematic.
Isn’t the job of a journalist to investigate and report all sides of the story?
The fact that EtH gets all the media heat that Poch deserves especially after watching yesterday’s game proves that the media are in fact not fair and balanced
Danny is dead wrong. Media made this their top headline yesterday for a reason. It’s a huge story and they didn’t want to give United the chance to move it off the front-page. Totally unethical.
Journalist's job is to go all out & look for factual information then to report to the public eye but, the media job is not to fabricate information where is completly false but is published just they get their clicks.
Utd are absolutely right to ban those journalists!
Jim gets so triggered whenever journalism comes under scrutiny, but he knows full well that it is good journalistic practice to allow any relevant persons or organisations to comment on a story about them before publishing.
@user-tn8uu2cu8g nah I’m good thanks, my only God is Jim White
@@skusami2548 Hes just a bot.. just report him.
No other club would have allegations against them and not get a right to respond. Even fabrizio romano has issues with bayern when he broke the sacking of their former manager without contacting the club.
Jordan is spot on!
Rashford leaked it.
I agree 100% with Simon.....💯 Why the two others can't seem to get it, is beyond pathetic and screams bias towards their mates....
The whole comment section understands Simon’s argument, no idea how Jim has managed to completely miss the point
Pretty sure if klopp did this Murphy would be shouting 'of course he's right'
Jim showing his true journalistic colours
I cant believe Simon is actually defending United for once 😂
okay Jim you say the story isn't invented...name the fifty percent against ten hag
Thank the heavens for having someone like Simon Jordan talking some sense here.
I have found myself agreeing with Simon quite a lot in the last week or so. He is 100% spot on yet again regarding fake news, spinning the narrative and just publishing anything without much evidence or citation or referencing. To the people who actually read these articles and go (Oh no this is awful, I can't believe Rashford's done this, Sancho's done that) ever done a background check on the person who published the article? The name, the date and the credibility of the article you are reading?. I guarantee out of all the people who read news articles only 1% do in depth analytical homework on what they're reading to see if the journalist even has honest credentials or a trust worthy source!. This subject is literally what my class in university has been studying this last month in Criminology/Law. The news, media and how it impacts the class system and social stratification. Simon's spot on with what he's saying here. Always check a journalists citations otherwise it is just bogus publishing. It sells because people don't know what to check for, automatically believe it and it makes profit.
Well done Simon 👏 you always make some good points no matter what people say
Jim backing his own,as if the press has never made anything up ever!😂
Think Rashford should really take a look at himself. He’s been at the club so long, and to continually leak to the media is absolutely out of order. This has happened under every manager he’s been under. It’s sad that he’s doing this... again..
🎼 Time To Say Goodbye.. 🎼
Don't agree with Simon Jordan alot but I agree with him on this one 🙏🙏 especially about the main stream! Journalism in the main stream is dead
True but ironic coming from a daily mail columnist
He works for the mainstream ffs
Because he works for the mainstream he cannot comment on the state of mainstream journalism?
You sound like Jim white where have we said that
Journalists are no better now than common youtubers who just have clickbait headlines to make you watch their content
Ultimately that's the name of the game with the media and how they get funded. All about eyeballs. Technically the BBC are the only ones who we pay for state wide to report the 'facts' impartially rather than the will of advertiser's agendas but we've all seen how that's worked out over the years 😂😂😂
we don't deal in rumours hahahah
this is one BIG rumour
If Ten Hag said it was a load of ballacks then nobody would be talking about the story. Now everyone is talking about it … made clowns of themselves again!!! Simon missing the mark on this one!
💯 Wasting time talking about a nothing story!
Danny's half right he's looking at one instance & saying how ridiculous instead of looking at the whole picture it's not hard to see there's a hate campaign against utd only a hater & sheep would deny it, I think it's about time the media got called out, truth is lies & lies are truth nowadays 😢
A hate campaign against United? No. Your lot and your club have made yourselves a laughing stock. Player power getting managers sacked, sill wages for underperforming prima donnas. Rotating door management, everyone bitching about Glazers but forget they have spent more than any club over last 7 years. Through all of this, the persistent sense of entitlement of United fans is a massive cringe.
It's about time clubs take action against these bottom feeders who make stories up for their own personal gain.
How do you know theyre making it up?
@@nc3music920In order to state that 50% of the dressing room are against him, they have to have spoken to at least 50% of the squad and they clearly haven't! 🤥
If you don't really follow United and only read their news on social media, you would think they are almost relegated. But when you look at the EPL tables, they are only 9 points off from Arsenal and 3 points off from MC. What the heck?! What crisis?
Insane that three grown men in the media industry can’t agree a journalists should get all sides of a story before running it. “There are three sides to every story: your side, my side, and the truth.” A good journalist should be getting each side and giving us the most impartial version of events.
Gotta love Simons intelligence ❤
Whoa calm down , you open your heart to jordan and revealed how much ignorance is inside you dam
Sell these players, they have proven over years that they're weak, hide and have got a number of managers sacked. And Rashford would in the first wave to go..... Jim and his entitled view is embarrassing
@@user-tn8uu2cu8g Not for me but thanks for the suggestion
Who is the source
"I havent read the detail" ... "who would read that article and think..." how can someone conment on somthing so passionately when they have not read it. 😂
Jim defending the media vs Simon slating them is always great entertainment lol
"Well you write a column" - Jim White
Some of these players have sacked 4 managers in the past and they are attempting to do the same just because they are expected to do their job. Its about time this ends
How jim white can suggest the media doesn't lie and make story's up is ridiculous and shows why he is out of touch.
Journalism 101, you always ask the other side to confirm aor reject the story before running it unless it is on special circumstances which you cannot.
Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber ✊
Jim saying theres been no change in journalism from the old days sums up everything about him tbh.
Jim White just shows how arrogant the press are and how they think they are above any type of scrutiny,why Danny is giving an opinion when he clearly states he doesn't know the details is just laughable,and as I thought Simon is the only one with a balanced view and the only person here who can articulate it.
Exactly. If this was the papers exercising their role as a journalists and telling it as they see it - where are the names. Football is hardly grounds for anonymity , unless it’s in the field!!
Surely danny should research the topics they are discussing did i hear him say I haven't read the details but the story says to me ?
Simon making some good points but its ironic coming from a Dailymail journalist.
Better than the Guardian.
If this was about some other club, other than Man United, Simon would have taken a totally different stand..
Did Simon Jordan come to ask Sancho before he spoke out the story aganist Sancho provided by the Man Utd sources? Double standard.
Should have atleast asked for the clubs opinions on inside reports of "such and such scenario".. because the story is going out to the public regardless.. but in no way should clubs be able to control the optics surrounding stories being leaked from within the clubs in question. If its not true they can outright refute it but if its true then its simply down to fan majorities to decide how to move forward.. i.e move certain players on, move certain staff on, change of sponsor, change of model
Eric is right
I’m with Simon here. White needs to calm down and needs to turn up his hearing aid and LISTEN.
well said Danny.....
Danny Murphy having a pop at United. Shocker.
i think danny murphy must really hate man utd never seems to say anything good about them likes to jump on stuff about them its not like he was a great player or any good on talksport or anything else he is on tv wise
Murphy is so bitter about United. Same with Garrard. Same with Carragher. Ruined their f*cking careers!
It's standard for journalists to reach out for comment from the subject of a story. Sports journalists and tabloids have no standards
The intention of the journalists is important. In this case it’s not about reporting the truth but destabilizing the manager and the club. For example, the journalist who said he enjoys it when there is trouble at Manchester United, therefore can his reports be factual or just opinion masquerading as fact.