Battle of the Ports - Gauntlet Legends (ガントレット レジェンド) Show 444 - 60fps
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Time Code
00:28 - Arcade
03:53 - Nintendo 64
06:21 - PlayStation
08:42 - Dreamcast
10:19 - All versions side by side
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Yeah, that Dreamcast port is fantastic! This is how I like my reimaginings. They keep everything you love about the original game, and add just enough quality of life improvements to make it feel fresh. No reinventing the wheel!
AGREED!! I had the Dreamcast version and had a ton of fun back in the day!!👍👍
Couldn't agree more!
@@RetroCore Gauntlet is the epitome of the "KISS principle", which has nothing to do with the rock band. All though...I *would* play a KISS themed Gauntlet. Especially if they're supplying the in-game music.
Compared to the others, the PS1 port is pretty weak, but if you don't own any of the other platforms it's a fine port. I poured dozens and dozens of hours into my copy as a teen, and ended up getting all 8 classes to max level and unlocking 100% of the game. I adored it, even if it had a lot of technical shortcomings.
The reason the N64 is flickering it's because it's running at too fast a framerate. It should be running at closer to 25-30, occasionally to 40. Never to 60fps, and with the expansion pak it should be slower.
Edit: forgot to mention the Arcade technically had multiple revisions, and they ran with different levels of RAM, that would affect the visual quality.
I've just bought a N64 with Everdrive to get around the poor state of N64 emulation.
You're right about the difference in arcade revisions. None look as nice as the Dreamcast version though.
It's odd because I tested it on an emulator. It ran at 60 with no flicker, although it did slow down very badly.
Good to see the Dreamcast getting the best port again. I loved how the console felt so arcade capable in the home without being stupid expensive.
The Dreamcast was Awsome but sadly the world bought in the Sony's BS about how a PS2 could do Toy Story.
I played Gauntlet Legends on Dreamcast so much. I had the luck to play and finish it with two friends of mine. 3 in cooperation, it was so much fun. On Dreamcast the game is beautiful with colourful graphics, animation is fast with nice arcade gameplay that makes it so dynamic. Music, not unforgettable, perfectly make the job. And this voice, the disembodied tone that remind the ones of Gauntlet 1 and 2. It was the mark of the Atari/Midway games of the 80s. Yes, I love Gauntlet Legends and I'm happy to had the luck to discover it on the best version. Give it a try, but on Dreamcast of course 🤩
I feel like Gauntlet IV now ^^
A much better game 👍
Gauntlet IV: when developers treat the game with respect and care.
I got the PlayStation version out of a bargain bin. I really enjoyed it at the time. It's the reason Dark Legacy was one of my first PS2 games.
As long as you got it cheap I think enjoyment can be had.
Btw, the N64 port is the only version of the game that allows you to toggle on and off power ups. You can activate more than one power up at a time.
Coincidentally, the XBox port is the only version of Gauntlet Dark Legacy that does that as well.
The Dreamcast was the first time that i saw better than perfect arcade port
Soul Calibur is another 👍
@@RetroCore Marvel vs Capcom 2
I haven't played this one, but it sounds like a great couch game, which gives the N64 and DC ports even more of an edge over the weak PS1 effort.
Love this game my man nice one
Thanks for the visit
I only own this for the DC and finally after over 20 years, I beat the game from my original saved character just over a year ago. It really is a must have for the DC and a great couch co-op game as well. Thanks for showing these versions as I hadn't seen the N64 and PS versions in detail before until now.
Very nice! It's always great to go back to an old game and finally complete it.
Thanks for this Mark, this is one I've never played but always fancied a go. Hope all is good with you and the family.
All good, thanks for asking. Hope all is well with you too.
I love the Gauntlet franchise and have a great collection of games starting with the Gauntlet tapes for the ZX Spectrum (including Dandy Atari-8bit and Dark Chambers), I had a lot of fun with Gauntlet Legends, I think Midway did a great job giving that feeling of arcade games, the narrator's voice like in the first arcade games is also sensational. If I were to do a Gauntlet ranking I would put Gauntlet IV (Mega Drive, great soundtrack and the introduction of Quest mode) first, followed by Legends and finally the Slayer edition (it's very different but I had a lot of fun with it too ). Today the best way to play Legends is through PS2's Dark Legacy with the Widescreen patch
The voice was very well done on Legends. It added an awful lot to the overall experience.
Funny enough, there are Japanese versions of Gauntlet Legacy and Dark Legacy distributed in Japan by SNK, which was pretty unusual due to their focus on Neo Geo stuff. I do wonder if SNK translated both games...
Midway/Atari games made some really good arcade ports for the N64, it's a shame that basically no japanese company attempted the same with their 3D arcade games
Yeah, they were probably one of the most prominent arcade porters to the console.
Me and my middle school friends would play the n64 port all the time. Even with 4 player mode on, and laggy framerates, it was still addictive fun. It's a shame the playstation version was so cut back.. It would be years later when I'd finally be able to play the dreamcast version. Sublime.
Oooh! Gauntlet Legends. Count me in with this gem for the Arcades Mark. 8^)
Anthony..
And more, I pressume that Dreamcast version should be easier to emulate than the original arcade. The ultimate Gauntlet version. Excellent battle of the ports, like always.
That's three arcade games where the Dreamcast port was completely crazy in the best way: Soul Calibur, Rush 2049, and this.
I'm sure there are more too! I need to look at OK out for them.
@@RetroCore Ikaruga was pretty great on Dreamcast too though sadly that was Japan only (not even us in Europe who did get stuff like Shenmue 2 unlike the US got it) but we did get the decent Gamecube port and the later HD versions for modern platforms.
Interesting game that I have heard very little about but I prefer the Mega Drive port of the first Gauntlet.
That's just Awsome.
YO GAUNTLET LEGENDS!?
Loved playing this on N64 with my brothers back then, great game
I really like this game. Played the Dreamcast version a lot. Don't know why the magazines gave it such low marks.
The original Gauntlet is the first arcade game i've ever played. In fact, besides a bit of play on a pong-console, Gauntlet is the first true game i've ever played.
I remember it wel, i got a few coins from my dad and could play together wit a couple of boys who were way better at the game then me but they helped me understand what to do.
Gauntlet was the start of my videogame addiction.
Never cared much for 'Legends' though...
I've got to say that Gauntlet was also one from my Childhood. It was always present in arcades. I remember playing it quite a bit on my cousin's Amstrad CPC.
I _thought_ I could detect some Midway DNA in that game... the opening cinematic reminded me of MK4.
They sure do have a distinctive style.
this game had an incredible soundtrack
I really liked that this game had different models for each colour of the same class.
My girlfriend and I were excited when we found out ports were coming from the arcade at the time- we loved playing hack n slash games together- we only had a Playstation at the time and when the reviews came out... oh well. Nope. Back to the arcade!
Firstly, I'm going to have to quote myself from your Gauntlet II BotP because this story bears repeating because it was sooo weird: "I really liked the early Gauntlet games, but absolutely loved Gauntlet Legends and Gauntlet Dark Legacy. I put a ton of money into two different cabs (one at a theater that stayed as Legacy; the other at a small arcade that got upgraded to Dark Legacy), maintaining characters on both. I bought the N64 version of Legends when it launched and got the DC version later (DC version might look the best and have some of the Dark Legacy features, but the inventory and shop system of the N64 just made me like that version more). I also bought Dark Legacy, first for X-Box, but eventually before the generation was up on PS2 and GC too...I think it was the only multi-platform title of that generation I bought on all 3 systems during that time...Not smart, but I loved Legends/Dark Legacy so much.
Also, I had one of my weirdest experiences arcade game experiences with a Dark Legacy cab (not the one I normally played): it was in the entrance area of a Wal-Mart store that was not the one I would normally visit, but I was with a friend who always went to that store instead. He was buying a PSX game of some sort, but we stopped and played Dark Legacy on our way in. And, after we started playing (new characters) suddenly, I'm not joking at all, some dirty, stanky, bum that looked like he hadn't showed in years and definitely had been drinking recently crawled out from between the other two cabinets they had (a racing game I don't remember and Fighting Bujutsu, which was the only place I ever saw that cabinet).
He watched us play until both of our credits ran out, and made comments about the game that certainly showed that he'd played the game. Then, this dude said something to the effect of "You boys made a good effort, but playing with just one credit in is child's play." And, here's a direct quote of what he said next that my friend and I will never forget: "Now, watch how a real master does it. I don't mess around!" and proceeded to take some money out of his coat pocket, stuck a $20 and a couple $5 bills into the coin/change machine there by the arcade and claw machines, and put all-in-all around $40-$50 in quarters into the machine. He loaded up a high-70s level Wizard and goes to town. I'll never forget how that guy just cackled at the look on our faces when he shoved his probably entire net worth into the machine. We eventually went in, and my friend bought whatever it was he was getting (Vagrant Story, maybe), and this guy was still going to town. Insane experience, but hilarious too."
As for the ports of Legends, the Dreamcast version looks, sounds (the N64 music isn't bad for not being CD-Audio of the arcade like the others), and runs better...but, I don't know, the inventory/shop/upgrade system from the N64 version should have carried through to the DC and really pushes the N64 version to the top since it's more conducive to home play (Dark Legacy, at least the Xbox version which is the only home port I've played, has the N64 version's inventory management, which even the PS1 version had). It's also massively better than the PSX port in most ways. I still like the Dreamcast version and played a lot of after I bought it in '01, but I still prefer the N64 port. But, it's also hard to recommend the N64 version over the Xbox (and I presume PS2 and GC, again don't own those) port of Dark Legacy though since they look and run so much nicer.
And on the note of Dark Legacy, I've had the XBox version forever, and last year in March or April I got to talking with a friend who is now blind (wasn't born that way; completely lost his eyesight about 10 years ago in unfortunate incident) about the Gauntlet Legends bum that I mentioned. Now, we've played some top-down games like Diablo 3 and Divinity Original Sin 1 and 2 and a few other games that work okay enough that he can be guided. So, I traveled and got together with him, his brother, and another friend a few weeks later, and we played through Forsaken Province, Mountain Kingdom, and almost all of Castle Stronghold with him before it got to be too much for him. Still, it was a lot of good fun and surprisingly accessible in person.
This is probably one of the machines that I'd like to have a real, original cab of, since it's one of my favorite arcade games ever, and would be fun with friends. It's not a tip-top favorite, but top-10. Many 3d re-imaginings of older series turned out less-than-stellar, but Gauntlet Legends did a pretty darn good job of feeling like part of the series, while still being new.
Damn, you have allot to say
@@kuma1388 Got to keep Mark busy reading long comments so that he doesn't get too much free time and the inkling to throw more of his consoles into the sea.
I remember playing this game in the arcade as well as the N64 port at home with my brother growing up. Ah memories....until my brother gave a good chunk of our collection to an ex-girlfriend and never got it back xD (He did gave me a Everdrive 64 cart as a gift to make up for it)
An Everdrive is nice but sadly not as good as having the real deal.
@@RetroCorewhy is everdrive not as good?
"I like fooooood!" Me too lady... me too :D
That woman spider boss looked real cool and badass!! I never played this so ill hunt it down as looks real fun!
Sadly like all Atari / Midway games she takes way more hits than necessary 😭
I recall playing on the dreamcast a little back in the day, lucky me I never touched the ps1 port
You escaped disappointment with that one.
Great game, I play it on the arcades. Too many coins were hurt playing this game.
I can imagine 😅
I only ever played the N64 version. Rented it back when it was new and finally bought it at re:gen several years ago. It's a fun lil' romp and I somehow managed to solo the game, or at least the final boss
One thing ya missed in your review I feel. While this game did feature leveling up your character, there was one big thing it was pushing: Beast Within. By finding secret exits in certain areas, you could play bonus levels where you run around collecting coins. Get enough in time and finish the level and you'll unlock a bestial version of one of the classes
I LIKE FOOD!
I have this on both N64 and Dreamcast, and even tho Dreamcast is obviously the better port, the N64 version on original hardware with N64 controllers feels extremely good to play.
i loved the original gauntlet but i never got around to playing this one. i owned a dreamcast too. i hope it gets a modern port
I absolutely love that you still make these videos. I remember watching your stuff from back in like 2006. Most of the retro gaming content on RUclips is terrible by contrast.
Thank you for being around for so long!
Nice video
Happy New Year
Happy new year
I just love those late 90's clunky 3D FMVs. The arcade looks rather good in-game and the Dreamcast even looks great, but the gameplay is just not my cup of tea. Nice video as usual, man. ;)
I agree. Its not a very well designed game to be honest. There's quite a lot of unavoidable areas where you can take damage.
@@RetroCore Good old quarter munching mechanics, which of course carried over to the home versions, minus the quarters at home of course.
I owned the Dreamcast version and loved it, picked up the PS1 port at a con and was majorly disappointed
My favorite music in the game is the N64 Sumner's Tower. Also, It's a shame the PS1 port sacrificed 4 Player mode for only two players.
I do happen to have the PS1 version, but I got it cheap off Ebay years ago, but I also have Dark Legacy on PS2 as well. I collect arcade ports as much as possible, don't own an N64 or DC, so the PS1 version it was. Fun fact: I owned Dark Legacy before owning Legends. Since I play the games alone anyway, the cut down to 2 players on the PS1 version doesn't particularly bother me.
The PSX version isn't bad as a budget game. Getting it cheap is the way to go.
@@RetroCore I think I paid $10-15 for the PS1 version, I'd say I got it for a good price. Might've come up in price the last couple years, like pretty much every retro game has though.
I bought this for the PS1, thinking it might be even vaguely like old Gauntlet. Oh dear. The viewpoint is so often where you don't want it, there are few enemies on screen at a time and the controls aren't quite right. Maybe I was hoping for something a bit like Gauntlet Quest in Megadrive Gauntlet (IV).
That's why you play Dark Legacy, that game throws enemies out at you like water on full blast coming from a tap.
I've been playing a lot of Vampire Survivors, and I got to thinking about its similarities to Gauntlet. I wish someone would make a new 4-player Gauntlet game in the vein of Vampire Survivors. I think it would stand out better than the last attempt at a Gauntlet game.
I've heard a lot about Vampire Survivors but have yet to play it. I really should check it out on my Series X.
@@RetroCore It's included with Game Pass but also doesn't cost much of you want to buy it on Xbox or Steam. It's also playable for free (with ads if you want to revive) on mobile.
I've said this many times. I have no idea how this game passed me by on all console. I played the original Gauntlet for months in the local arcade during the mid 80's and have always been partial to RPG's that offer level progression. I have a distant memory of looking at the case for Gauntlet Legends and thinking its going to be a 3D balls up of the original Arcade game.... What an Idiot, I should have got this for the Dreamcast or Gamecube at least. I could kick myself.
I'm surprised too. I was living in Japan at the time but even here it was a noticeable game. Especially the N64 version. Saw that everywhere. Worth checking out if you're a fan of the original.
DC for the win! What a great little machine.
It sure is!
I wish NeatherRealm Studios or Warner Bros would make another Gauntlet since they own Atari and Midway properties. I get that they did a series reboot in 2014 but even that was almost a decade ago and that went back more so back to original Gauntlet than the leveling up system in Legends.
a 2015 Gauntlet game was made on the PS4 it was called Slayer Edition
it was Developed by Arrowhead Game Studios/Published by Warner Bros
The Arcade original is the only version that I don't have. The Dreamcast port is the way to go.
Agreed 👍
Yeah I think I still prefer the old Gauntlet with top down view.
Same here, along with the sequel.
Same here.
Gotta say, that even the PS1 poor port is more vivid and vibrant than the WB 2015's Gauntlet Reboot, because despite being made by the same devs of Magicka, that game was bland.
Anyway, Always wanted to Try Legends, mostly because I have a certain attachment to the OG Gauntlet on NES (the first cartridge my parents bought to me), so maybe I'll emulate the DC port.
After playing the arcade version in a bowling alley I got an N64 for this game. I think it waa a missed opportunity not to port it to Windows PC. It would have been perfect for Windows 98 or 2000
I've got to say that I'm quite surprised this never got a windows port.
the main downside for this game is the abnormal 25 fps framerate on a arcade game. Arcade game shall ran a least 50/60fps. anyway for some reason, im diddent play this game, which there was such a arcade machine near me. but nice to see this game throught.
This looks pretty fun. Definitely will pick up the N64 version. I don't own a Dreamcast unfortunately
If you don't own a DC the N64 version is a good option 👍
Last time I lay my eyes on an actual arcade cabinet was ~96-97(?), so in that regard (arcade games), I do live in a cave😄😄😄
I've never played this game, only the NES Gauntlet and Gauntlet IV on the Genesis, but it looks decent. I'm not sure if it's an emulation issue or how the arcade original was actually designed, but I noticed it has some wobbly polygons that give it the look of a PS1 game, and the announcer is hard panned to the left speaker for some reason. All other versions have the announcer voice in the center, so I'm guessing it's just an emulation issue. The Nintendo 64 port is quite excellent for the system. It's a shame it couldn't be emulated correctly, but even with that I can tell it's a good version. Interestingly, the PS1 port seems to be at an unlocked framerate, peaking at 60 but dropping frames whenever there's more than a few enemies/projectiles on screen, and overall it just doesn't look good. The Dreamcast port looks like the arcade version but with better shading effects and less slowdown.
The wobbly textures is just how the Arcade is.
The major shortcoming of the Nintendo 64 version is that originally the 4MB RAM Pack was not something that Nintendo itself believed was going to be a standard until it was released and pretty much kept selling out here in the U.S. and probably Canada and Mexico among the hardcore gamer, and Nintendo 64 fans.
Midway Games however held a low bar of game development on the Nintendo 64 hardware and they really should have taken a page from Capcom in Japan and just Required the 4MB RAM Cartridge and put their best efforts into their ports and also not rush them for the holiday season... FMV CGi as cool as they can seem are in all seriouness, just NOT really necessary... the Arcade hardware Atari Games (the arcade company not related to Atari Corp) had based their 3d arcade hardware on the 3DFX Voodoo chipset and essentially a closed box Personal Computer in terms of the parts used so when their rushed ports on N64 came dangerously close to being very very close to the arcade source material with sloppy and rushed effort, it just game Midway Games a bad reputation that we had to put up with despite their actual arcade games and Atari Games 3d games having a lot of potential.
Iirc Atari Games went under and Midway Games purchased them... and it is very clear that the N64 hardware even without the 4MB RAM Pack is under utilized yet the access times between booting the N64 to play a game are just hands down much more preferable to the prettier Sega Dreamcast version with it's scratch screech GD-ROM drive... Midway Games with their games and Atari Games could have ascended to a Namco and near Sega or Capcom caliber but they had the typical mentality of not really tapping the N64 hardware and just blowing off multiple millions of ROM Cartridges being sold which could have enabled them to use the larger 64MB or 512Megabit ROM Cartridges a lot earlier.
The definitive port, the Dreamcast version, costs at least $47 these days...
You should get the Angrylion LLE RDP emulation plugin for N64 emulation. That should solve the graphical issues.
For emulation of the N64 version, on PC the best bet is Simple64. Emulates the game near perfect
N64 is my favorite!
So does Gauntlet Dark Legacy include the same areas as Legends but then adds new areas and characters on top??
I'm afarid I've never played Legacy.
Dreamcast all the way. I think Guantlet Legends was another one of those Midway games using that horrible "Zeus" hardware, which was basically an arcade version of the N64(kidding, but kind of not). Just as MK Gold looked WAY batter than arcade MK4, GL on DC looks WAY better than the arcade version.
Im watching this now so what the hell will I do on Saturday ?
Watch it again, 😁
do your homework and study hard
@@ninjaalex-yf5io Perfect!
that opening reminds me of primal rage I don't know tho this and dark legacy reminded me more of a overhead golden axe than gauntlet ...but if you like gauntlet try vampire survivors on steam
The Playstation version is really cheap in the UK but it's going to be locked at 50hz so that's a version to take a pass on. Then again, our N64 version is 50Hz too, and it's certainly not cheap, neither is the Dreamcast version. I'd recommend people opt for Midway Arcade Treasures instead, it's super cheap, has the original Gauntlet and lots of other classic arcade games like Paperboy, Tapper etc. on it, Gauntlet Legends looks kind of ugly to me.
Nintendo tax stops Nintendo games being cheap 😅. Get the DC one as that should run at 60htz or at least give an option (or at least may DC games did.)
@@RetroCore The DC version is currently double it's original retail price and upwards, way out of casual or mildly interested pickup territory.
Which emulator do you use for N64?
I have no flickering with mupen64plus core in RetroArch. Runs very well ^^
Tried Mupen64 and another one. For me, mupen would blank out after the title screen.
Since N64 emulation is finicky and needs a lot of tweaking depending upon the game, I've gone and now bought a N64 with an Everdrive.
@@RetroCore Yes definitely the better choice ^^
Especially with Framemaster or other good analag-to-digital converters.
if Nintendo 64 Gauntlet Legends is a 32 MB size it could’ve or it should’ve been a better port (version) at 64 MB
It’s shocking how bad the PlayStation version was compared to the N64. Only version I ever played was on the dreamcast and it was a decent enough experience.
Just wait until you see this week's Battle of the Ports. The PlayStation version of the featured game is pretty awful.
Can you do A Battle Of The Ports Konami's Scramble
Scramble has been one I've had on the books for a long time. It will be covered at some point for sure 👍
@@RetroCore And Galaxian after that, followed by Galaga? You know they're both made by Namco.
Arcade looks the best, higher screen resolution and better textures.
You need an N64! Otherwise enjoyed as always.
Working on it!
Dreamcast, N64 (Based on emulation) Arcade, and PS1. The arcade color depth seems too low. It's like the Arcade is using Dreamcast geometry with PS1 color depth and texture. Arcade has better geometry than the N64, but the N64 has better textures and camera angles.
A modern gauntlets game. Intteresting.
There is a Gauntlet game that came out not too long ago
Dreamcast is nice.
I'm quite surprised you don't own a Nintendo 64 considering you live in Japan and have a lot of game systems. Why is that?
I do own one now 😂. Bought one after making this episode. Personally, I think the N64 isn't very good. The way most games look and move are very unappealing to me.
The arcade is one of the better offerings of the era. N64 is better on the real hardware. PS1 isn't all too hot. Dreamcast is breathtaking.
How about Hydro Thunder?
Maybe in the future.
The game does emulate properly if you use the right emulator and plugin. Use Simple 64 or mupen plus next with the parallel rdp plugin. Also, please don't use upscaling as its not representative of the N64.
I won't be using N64 emulation anymore, it's a pain in the arse. Ive gone and bought a real N64 with Everdrive.
@@RetroCore lol.
oh man this game sucked so bad... one of the earliest "3d ganes"
my god... thanks for the memories
dreamcast better
The Dreamcast port on real hardware suffers from some FPS drops here and there. It's not bad but it doesn't maintain 30fps at all times. It also has a little stutter whenever the music ends and starts over. Aside from these two issues it's a great port of the Arcade.