I was torn between which one to pick but I picked up a used 22 5.0 DC rtr minus the radio and battery as the price was right. Based on other research a lot of people pick Team Associated primarily for the parts but I figure both are close just like you mentioned in the video. Great breakdown 👍🏼
I bought the tlr 5.0 ac, my first 2wd buggy, actually raced with it for the first time and got a podium finish (3rd place)!! Great little buggy for even a beginner😎😎
In 2022 I have the new 22-5.0 elite and the b6.3D . On loose dirt the 22-5.0 out of the box, it just beat the associated. Not by much but between a couple drivers swapping the transmitter and cranking laps. Everyone agrees the Losi was just faster and more stable when going fast.
As always super nice head to head . The last time I went to the track I don't remember seeing a lot of TLR 5.0 , the best racers at my track are running ultra dialed B6.1D . Hope to see good drivers getting good setups for of the TLR 22 5.0. Keep up the good work .
thanks! yeah, the Associated stuff has been around a long time and there are a lot of drivers out there with good information and setup. It's a little harder to drive TLR because there's less of a support system in place.
Try running a 36g or 43g weight under the battery in the b6.1. It really helps the car out. As for the front arms, you really should try and work with the gull wing. For med bite and up, they are the way to go. Great comparison!
Thinking about getting back into RC been away forever. Bought the reflex 14t to see if I want to get bigger stuff. Love reading your tips on the reflex on rc tech. If I was buying a 10th scale it would always be associated. Started with the RC10 for me and still have that brand loyalty
Excellent comparison. The harder to access rear diff on the TLR 22 5.0 might sway me away. The 22 5.0 DC ELITE had me excited as you get excellent hop-ups in that kit, but overall I'm trying to compare and choose between a Yokomo YZ2 DTM3, AE B6.1DL and a TLR 22 5.0 ELITE.
Thanks, I just bought my first track rc. And I got the tlr. I wasn't impressed much either. But ive only had it a couple days! I get annoyed with your videos sometimes, but I do respect your opinion and experience! How your mt8? Love mine, just not comfortable sending it big!
Would love to buy one of these to be able to drive/race with my son, and if the price was the total package I probably would, but considering you have to spend more than the cost of the kit for all the 'missing' bits (electronics, etc.. even wheels?!?.) you end up needing like $800 just to get started. It seems to me that a bag full of mostly plastic parts shouldn't cost anywhere near the $320+ asking price.
The losi mini b and mini t are a game changers now, 150 buck rtr out the box brushed and brushless about 200 bucks 1/16 scale but so much fun if you don't have 1 already
I own several associated 10th scales, but only have Losi 8th scales. Personally I wouldn't change either. I dont know anything about the RC8 series, and I dont know anything about the 22 lineup. Keeps me pretty brand neutral, and both are top quality 👍
Good job on the review ya can’t lose either way! But in my opinion why don’t they all come with wheels & tires when we’re spending this kinda money and while I’m at it why hasn’t Tekno have a horse in this race imo their 4wd buggy is the one to beat just seems like to me that they’re leaving some money on the table by not having a 2wd buggy on the market....But what do I know!!
the performance "gap" is getting closer and closer together. based off your tires I assume you race on clay could you please compare these on a carpet track.
Have you tried changing the mud guards on your tlr? I'll bet your version of the 5.0 comes with the standard or soft mud guards. Try getting the Team Losi Racing 22 5.0 Mud Guard Set w/Fan Mount (Stiffezel) Pt# TLR231075 and the Team Losi Racing 22 5.0 Waterfall & Gear Shield Set (Stiffezel) Pt# TLR231077... swapping these two items will cost you under $20 and will really connect the front and rear of the car. Since you filmed this video, TLR has come out with the Team Losi Racing 22 5.0 VHA Conversion Pt# TLR334069... VHA (variable height adjustment). It not only gives you multiple roll canter adjustments, but 4 positions for the CV pin in the outdrive. I'm not trying to lecture or show you up. And some of the parts I listed may not have been available when you filmed this video. You have a great channel and you did a very nice job comparing the two buggies! I wish more RC RUclipsrs would do comparisons like this... but it's very expensive having to buy and build multiple competing vehicles, and the results are largely subjective. Thanks for creating excellent content!
Thanks! I ran the SZL mudguards for a while. Felt very direct, but it also felt like it lost too much chassis flex and a little bit of traction. I've sold the buggy since though since my track went to carpet and I didn't feel like trying to convert it.
Next time you rebuild your shocks on the 5.0 ck out how much up and down play their is. I grinded down my shafts so the screw tightened down flush with the piston and it made my shocks feel much more consistent. You may already have figured that out though.
Which one is better for replacement parts? Availability & Price. Also which model has more options for aftermarket or name brand upgrades & accessories? Looking to buy a T/A RC10 B6.2/2D or Losi 22 5.0. The RC10 is 360 amd TLR $230 on sale. Reg 330. Whatndo you think i should get
@@RazorRC so just adding to this a year later and still no TLR 6.0 I'm not sure if I should wait or buy the 5.0 elite. Do you think it could happen in the next few months? As always appreciate your content and thoughts 👍
The TLR 5.0 AC is 269 right now. Is it the best buy? Or are they about to release an update and that's why it's so cheap? I literally cannot decide between the two (5.0 / B62 used or B63 new)
Razor RC awesome yeah I run on a clay track. I was gonna also get the b6.1 factory lite and setup exactly the same to see which I like best but this video has me thinking I made the right choice. I recently bumped up to intermediate and am wanting the best of the 2
Imo losi has always been a more forgiving platform, even back to the lx1, but associated has always been faster when the chassis is dialed... seems you have more precise control over buggy. Then when losi screwed everyone over with all the mini cars,( mini late model, the slider sprint) so i moved away from them.
this is going to sound silly but stock racing has fewer rules, normally just the motor needs to be stock and fits in the class. spec (specification) racing could have motor, chassis, tire, body, battery, etc... most of the time it's just a spec motor and some type of tire rule, but a true spec class everyone is driving the same car with the same equipment.
I do! If I’m honest I only raced it at my local track here in Mass a few times. Maybe 5. The track is a little too far away from my house to have it be a realistic segment of the hobby for me though. That being said, it was a great first kit to build and it really helped in those early stages in covid to take up Some time and calm the mind Since then I’ve purchased a felony and just now got a vanquish kit for Christmas! 😳 I think bashing and crawling are more my speed.
Razor RC do you happen to know the part number for the front alluminum pivot block you are using? All the ones I see available on A main web site don’t say 5.0 compatable. Thanks
Is there anything more dumb than a "spec racer" class? Or at least a spec racer class set up as it currently is. Just another stupid class that kills the hobby. Cars look great. It is getting a little depressing on how similar the cars are becoming though. Both 2WD and 4WD buggies look like you could use parts from one manufacturer on another. Now return off road racing to off road tracks and lets see who is the best. Changing back to off road tracks might bring some innovation back.
Can't stand how tlr went to "composite material" / plastic shock caps on their new 5.0 buggy kits. I mean what's up tlr? Huh supposed to be moving forward not backwards. And don't tell me that plastic crap is better than aluminum plus plastic looks cheaper. TLR is the absolute best imho though I am only 2 and half years into hobby but I own my own 3.0 SR with Orion ultimate stock 17.5 running 69x31 gearing & while pushing 60° timing I'll hit 45 m.p.h. no probs. Only using 2 practice packs...1 at a time course..nano tech's ultimate 90c packs and I have to say their quality packs compared to the likes of say my 1:8 scale Gens Ace RS series 100c packs which I run 2 in series config. with castle's 6.5mm gold bullets with a monster of a audio grade Panasonic self made cap pack...6 total wrapped in quality shrink wrapping...apologize for forgetting caps spec's at the moment...all wired into mamba monster x esc 1:8 scale sensored castle 1515 brushless motor. On 6s with stock 45 t spur I believe with nothing but Robinson Racing 23 t pinion on my SRC Roadcrushers the 9 pound fully dressed 1:8 scale truggy will & very quickly hit top speeds of 135 m.p.h. Hey...not too shabby for a hobby king team basher sabertooth truggy that was built by a newbie. Oh yeah gotta add the savox 1270tg powerhouse servo..man its fast most importantly...accurate..quite..durable..ect. I notice anything 1256 and lower are noisy bit slow not so accurate and very noisy on the savox. Say 1268 and higher is a whole new quality of servo. Sorry to drift off on the comment section their. Another great video!! Thanks dude!
I was torn between which one to pick but I picked up a used 22 5.0 DC rtr minus the radio and battery as the price was right. Based on other research a lot of people pick Team Associated primarily for the parts but I figure both are close just like you mentioned in the video. Great breakdown 👍🏼
I bought the tlr 5.0 ac, my first 2wd buggy, actually raced with it for the first time and got a podium finish (3rd place)!! Great little buggy for even a beginner😎😎
fernando espinoza nice job
In 2022 I have the new 22-5.0 elite and the b6.3D . On loose dirt the 22-5.0 out of the box, it just beat the associated. Not by much but between a couple drivers swapping the transmitter and cranking laps. Everyone agrees the Losi was just faster and more stable when going fast.
As always super nice head to head . The last time I went to the track I don't remember seeing a lot of TLR 5.0 , the best racers at my track are running ultra dialed B6.1D . Hope to see good drivers getting good setups for of the TLR 22 5.0. Keep up the good work .
thanks! yeah, the Associated stuff has been around a long time and there are a lot of drivers out there with good information and setup. It's a little harder to drive TLR because there's less of a support system in place.
Try running a 36g or 43g weight under the battery in the b6.1. It really helps the car out. As for the front arms, you really should try and work with the gull wing. For med bite and up, they are the way to go. Great comparison!
Thanks, this comparison has inspired me to get back to work on the B6.1D to get it driving better. Got something to aim for now, thanks for the tips!
Very true, especially if you are running mod. Also the 23g brass C block as well.
In my opinion the TLR is a more consistent car all around. Much easier to drive fast, which is what matters to most weekend racers.
Love the review keep them coming I just got the 22 5.0 ac can't wait
I will say thanks to you I just picked up a 22 5.0 elite
😁👍Both great...but I am always a associated guy!
Shen RC yea i dont know i like losi but associated are cooler painting
ABSOLUTELY!
dude I love this review, spot on, non biased, gold star for you sir!
I appreciate that!
Thinking about getting back into RC been away forever. Bought the reflex 14t to see if I want to get bigger stuff. Love reading your tips on the reflex on rc tech. If I was buying a 10th scale it would always be associated. Started with the RC10 for me and still have that brand loyalty
Excellent comparison. The harder to access rear diff on the TLR 22 5.0 might sway me away. The 22 5.0 DC ELITE had me excited as you get excellent hop-ups in that kit, but overall I'm trying to compare and choose between a Yokomo YZ2 DTM3, AE B6.1DL and a TLR 22 5.0 ELITE.
Can never really go wrong with Associated, though the B6.1 has been out for 18 months, so a new one is likely on the horizon.
Can a B5M still be competitive?
Thanks, I just bought my first track rc. And I got the tlr. I wasn't impressed much either. But ive only had it a couple days! I get annoyed with your videos sometimes, but I do respect your opinion and experience! How your mt8? Love mine, just not comfortable sending it big!
Would love to buy one of these to be able to drive/race with my son, and if the price was the total package I probably would, but considering you have to spend more than the cost of the kit for all the 'missing' bits (electronics, etc.. even wheels?!?.) you end up needing like $800 just to get started. It seems to me that a bag full of mostly plastic parts shouldn't cost anywhere near the $320+ asking price.
The losi mini b and mini t are a game changers now, 150 buck rtr out the box brushed and brushless about 200 bucks 1/16 scale but so much fun if you don't have 1 already
There are lots of used ones on market place and ebay
I own several associated 10th scales, but only have Losi 8th scales. Personally I wouldn't change either. I dont know anything about the RC8 series, and I dont know anything about the 22 lineup. Keeps me pretty brand neutral, and both are top quality 👍
that's a really good combo!
Good job on the review ya can’t lose either way! But in my opinion why don’t they all come with wheels & tires when we’re spending this kinda money and while I’m at it why hasn’t Tekno have a horse in this race imo their 4wd buggy is the one to beat just seems like to me that they’re leaving some money on the table by not having a 2wd buggy on the market....But what do I know!!
So true
Good break-down on these racing buggies
Can you just put thumbscrews on the AE battery hold down?
the performance "gap" is getting closer and closer together. based off your tires I assume you race on clay could you please compare these on a carpet track.
You say you didn’t like the way the TLR drove out of the box. What is your driving style?
Have you tried changing the mud guards on your tlr? I'll bet your version of the 5.0 comes with the standard or soft mud guards. Try getting the Team Losi Racing 22 5.0 Mud Guard Set w/Fan Mount (Stiffezel) Pt# TLR231075 and the Team Losi Racing 22 5.0 Waterfall & Gear Shield Set (Stiffezel) Pt# TLR231077... swapping these two items will cost you under $20 and will really connect the front and rear of the car. Since you filmed this video, TLR has come out with the Team Losi Racing 22 5.0 VHA Conversion Pt# TLR334069... VHA (variable height adjustment). It not only gives you multiple roll canter adjustments, but 4 positions for the CV pin in the outdrive. I'm not trying to lecture or show you up. And some of the parts I listed may not have been available when you filmed this video. You have a great channel and you did a very nice job comparing the two buggies! I wish more RC RUclipsrs would do comparisons like this... but it's very expensive having to buy and build multiple competing vehicles, and the results are largely subjective. Thanks for creating excellent content!
Thanks! I ran the SZL mudguards for a while. Felt very direct, but it also felt like it lost too much chassis flex and a little bit of traction. I've sold the buggy since though since my track went to carpet and I didn't feel like trying to convert it.
What Savox servo(s) are you running?
Next time you rebuild your shocks on the 5.0 ck out how much up and down play their is. I grinded down my shafts so the screw tightened down flush with the piston and it made my shocks feel much more consistent. You may already have figured that out though.
thanks, I'll check it out next time I take apart the shocks.
Great head to head, really enjoyed this. I’m new again, and got a B6. Looks like I made the right choice 😀
it's a good buggy for sure!
Great video between the two buggies.
I have a question, what kind of tape do you use for fixing the motor sensor cable?
Chris M I’m just using black masking tape
@@RazorRC ahh okay, thanks for the fast response :)
Nice review. I just picked up a SR 5.0 for a steal but converting it for carpet. What gear ratio are you running? im assuming you are running 17.5?
i'm running something super low (72/26 I think?) 'cause the Reedy is a high RPM/low torque motor, so it runs better when it's screaming at high RPMs.
Which one is better for replacement parts? Availability & Price. Also which model has more options for aftermarket or name brand upgrades & accessories? Looking to buy a T/A RC10 B6.2/2D or Losi 22 5.0. The RC10 is 360 amd TLR $230 on sale. Reg 330. Whatndo you think i should get
I wonder, has your opinion on this changed since the 6.2 came out? I'd like to see an update!
I'm waiting on TLR to release the 6.0 AC
@@RazorRC Wonder when that’s gonna happen? Any idea?
@@RazorRC so just adding to this a year later and still no TLR 6.0 I'm not sure if I should wait or buy the 5.0 elite. Do you think it could happen in the next few months? As always appreciate your content and thoughts 👍
The TLR 5.0 AC is 269 right now. Is it the best buy? Or are they about to release an update and that's why it's so cheap? I literally cannot decide between the two (5.0 / B62 used or B63 new)
What is the difference between the b6.1 and b6.2?
Very cool review my bro
Nice comparison. I’m running the 5.0 and really like it. What changes did you make from stock setup?
Try the Frank Root standard setup if you're on indoor clay. I'm running that with some very minor changes.
Razor RC awesome yeah I run on a clay track. I was gonna also get the b6.1 factory lite and setup exactly the same to see which I like best but this video has me thinking I made the right choice. I recently bumped up to intermediate and am wanting the best of the 2
Imo losi has always been a more forgiving platform, even back to the lx1, but associated has always been faster when the chassis is dialed... seems you have more precise control over buggy. Then when losi screwed everyone over with all the mini cars,( mini late model, the slider sprint) so i moved away from them.
Tbh i had harder time setting up my xxx-cr compared to b4 back in the day. I still thing that Losi had stiffer chassis compared to Associated
For the B6.1...what setup (driver), would you suggest checking out for carpet?
I like Dustin Evans setups. Not sure if he has one posted for the B6.1, but you could start with a B6.2 setup
Razor RC Thank you!!
What’s the difference between spec racing and stock racing?
this is going to sound silly but stock racing has fewer rules, normally just the motor needs to be stock and fits in the class. spec (specification) racing could have motor, chassis, tire, body, battery, etc... most of the time it's just a spec motor and some type of tire rule, but a true spec class everyone is driving the same car with the same equipment.
@@gatorage850 thanks for the clarification!
I was hoping you would drive them.
I think i've got running video of both buggies on my channel somewhere.
They look identical.
What do you think about Tekno? Are they Cadillac?
I have a Eb410 2.0, Eb48 2.0 and a Nb48 2.0 and the truggy, They are amazing cars, easy to drive, fast, handles bumps super good
@@bradenbruce2785 got the eb410.2 now too
@@thornmatthew8395 sweet how do you like it
I do! If I’m honest I only raced it at my local track here in Mass a few times. Maybe 5. The track is a little too far away from my house to have it be a realistic segment of the hobby for me though.
That being said, it was a great first kit to build and it really helped in those early stages in covid to take up
Some time and calm the mind
Since then I’ve purchased a felony and just now got a vanquish kit for Christmas! 😳 I think bashing and crawling are more my speed.
When you said brass C block did you mean brass anti squat block?
Yup, same thing.
It isn't called the anti squat block though it is called the c block
Razor RC do you happen to know the part number for the front alluminum pivot block you are using? All the ones I see available on A main web site don’t say 5.0 compatable. Thanks
I'm using TLR1072
TLR The Last Resort
What is the red wire doing there? Anyone know
bbattery
Personally I think Losi design that front thing is damn awfully ya. 🤔🙄
Nice brother
What is better ? Anything by XRAY !!!
What are the speeds of both cars?
fast
Are you looking to sell any .
Yk
Is there anything more dumb than a "spec racer" class? Or at least a spec racer class set up as it currently is. Just another stupid class that kills the hobby. Cars look great. It is getting a little depressing on how similar the cars are becoming though. Both 2WD and 4WD buggies look like you could use parts from one manufacturer on another. Now return off road racing to off road tracks and lets see who is the best. Changing back to off road tracks might bring some innovation back.
I like cake
Can't stand how tlr went to "composite material" / plastic shock caps on their new 5.0 buggy kits. I mean what's up tlr? Huh supposed to be moving forward not backwards. And don't tell me that plastic crap is better than aluminum plus plastic looks cheaper. TLR is the absolute best imho though I am only 2 and half years into hobby but I own my own 3.0 SR with Orion ultimate stock 17.5 running 69x31 gearing & while pushing 60° timing I'll hit 45 m.p.h. no probs. Only using 2 practice packs...1 at a time course..nano tech's ultimate 90c packs and I have to say their quality packs compared to the likes of say my 1:8 scale Gens Ace RS series 100c packs which I run 2 in series config. with castle's 6.5mm gold bullets with a monster of a audio grade Panasonic self made cap pack...6 total wrapped in quality shrink wrapping...apologize for forgetting caps spec's at the moment...all wired into mamba monster x esc 1:8 scale sensored castle 1515 brushless motor. On 6s with stock 45 t spur I believe with nothing but Robinson Racing 23 t pinion on my SRC Roadcrushers the 9 pound fully dressed 1:8 scale truggy will & very quickly hit top speeds of 135 m.p.h. Hey...not too shabby for a hobby king team basher sabertooth truggy that was built by a newbie. Oh yeah gotta add the savox 1270tg powerhouse servo..man its fast most importantly...accurate..quite..durable..ect. I notice anything 1256 and lower are noisy bit slow not so accurate and very noisy on the savox. Say 1268 and higher is a whole new quality of servo. Sorry to drift off on the comment section their. Another great video!! Thanks dude!
Sponsored, yeah?
no
The fourth comment that's what's up
If you realy stop making that noise while talking it would be a must nicer video