BMPT-72 made for work with tanks in same formation and rapid kill soft/small dangerous targets like ATGM squads. There are many others Russian systems for army-level AA defense.
This, BMPT is an actual vehicle made to face direct combat with infantry or tanks (as support) While SHORAD as it stands for Short Range Air Defense, why would you have these two fight? It wouldn’t ever happen, and if it did happen, that means someone fucked up hard on the US side.
I actually entered basic thinking I was going to be a crewman on one of those and found out I was acutualy going to be on the Vulcan about three quarters of the way through.
General Motors for the XM-247 got screwed over and US Army choose the Ford version (Which was the crappier version over the WELL BETTER General Motors.) if my info is correct.
im a bit late, but how is shorad implemented in the stryker Brigade? More as a mgs replacement with more flexebility? Or did they coexist. And what role have the dragoon?
@@deki5510 Rockets are unguided weapons. The Hellfire is the premier anti-tank guided missile system currently available for any army. It has a proven record for both aerial and ground launched employment.
I absolutely love how on the longbow tests against the drones you can see in the footage that the first warhead detonates and then the primary anti armor warhead detonates and you can see the jet of copper whizzing through the sky after the planes already been destroyed. it looks so cool!!
really depends on the mission. the stryker can reposition quickly, and is mainly made for point air defence. the BMPT is ment to be the spear of an armoured attack alongside other heavy armour.
@@tankdriver65861 Not taking any sides in the conflict I mentioned, but you can't deny drones were instrumental in Azerbaijan's victory. Not only did they held ground with laptops-would-be but they actually gained ground. With time, as drones become more and more common on the battlefield there will be weapon systems to counter them I'm sure of it, but as of now drones are quite cost effective, devastatingly so. Also there's little to none information on how well are drones detected by existing radar systems, how well are drones targeted by such systems, do they need to be modified to work on drones as well on conventional jet fighter/bombers OR they need to specially tuned for the job? The Russians have simillar weapon system to the one shown in this video ('Pantsir' they call it) but there are reports of it beign destroyed by drone strikes. Was it an error on part of the operatiors of the system or is it a limitation of the weapon system itself? Who knows?
Yes, fire a 20K bucks for a 5K drone Plus it doesnt got a proxy fuse, shure miss. 57mm granade of A220 whit proxy fuse is a fraction of the cost, you can cary a truck load as it is smaler, much faster on target
@@a-10thunderboltii24 grenades don't but auto cannons do and they go faster than mock 1. 25mm autocannon go much faster than mock 1 and cost a lot less than missiles.
Combined arms concept folks, multi-layered system with what each of you are talking about. Oto-Merala systems is working on this. Oh, and a 20k missile that saves a multi-million dollar weapon system (plus the biological computers inside) is a good trade for a 5k drone anytime
Your 30mm employment comments are spot on. As a young SHORAD platoon leader briefing my Infantry Battalion Commander for a good ten minutes, all he heard was “I have a .50 cal and thermal sights.”
Umm...no,BMPT was born out of Russian exprence in Grozny where infantry got pinned by heavy fire leaving the tank advance alone admidd confuse order and the chaos nature of the battlefield,BMPT is supposed to replace the infantry and the modifield SPAAG in that role The SHORAD is just a fancy stryker that serve the same role as the normal stryker
You have picked the key difference. BMPT is a tank guard with heavy armor and anti infantry capabilities. The aim is to help tanks to break the most dangerous frontline. Antiaircraft capabilities are separated to Pantsir units.
"The SHORAD is just a fancy stryker that serve the same role as the normal stryker" No. the stryker is an infantry transport vehicle. The SHORAD is an AA and fire support vehicle. Two totally different roles.
It's not just the weapon system upgrade that makes this awesome. It's that it's on an A1 variant which is a night and day change for the better. Bigger Cat C9 engine, larger Alternator (almost double the Apms), far superior ECS as well and an extremely improved interactive internal computer system and electronics. General Dynamics really did an amazing job on this Upgrade.
The C7 ACERT is really just a common rail version of the old 3126. When did they decide to go with the C9? It is like in between the old 3126 and 3176/C11 in displacement.
@@joem5903 they went with the C9 with this new DVH A1 Upgrade, so far a couple Brigades worth have already been Fielded. 400hp HEUI Engine mated to an Allison 3200SP Transmission. It also sports the NEHOPH 910 amp Alternator and a new Donnalson Air induction system. Seriously this Stryker is a whole new vehicle in respects to the older ones.
Crew for this thing most likely will suffer from mission overload - having only 2 helfiers and too may different targets to apply them to will lead to constant struggle with decision to hit currently available target and be basically left without firepower later or wait for a better target in multiple battle spaces. After all being "jack of all trades" has its own set of problems... Also this should be compared to something like Pantsir system rather then Terminator as Terminator is a tank support vehicle - protect tanks from infantry and light armored vehicles especially in urban areas, while itself being protected from air by Pantsir and Tor vehicles.
I keep thinking about the M1 AGDS, how even back there the U.S.Army was considering a vehicle that could engage everything it would come to fight. Immagine that vehicle, but with a 75mm ETC autocannon, dual feed, one belt with APFSDS and one with 3P programmable ammo. Instead of ADATS missile it could use a mix of stingers and SPIKE missiles. Then sorround it with a good APS system. Maybe even put all the crew in a super safe capsule like in the t 14 armata. It would be capable of answering every type of battle demand. Sure, it would cost a lot but what would be a good way to fight a group of 5 of those things going around? Especally if supported by a battery of good Self Propelled Howitzer like the PZH2000? What would be the option to fight a vehicle that can engage EVERYTHING?
As for the gun, how about the OTO Melara 76mm Super Rapid? It's already shown to be workable on an SPAA platform (most recently the Draco). And it's already in the US Navy's inventory, which would probably help in selling the idea to Congress.
@@RedXlV Exactly. The only problem is that it would need to be a telescoped ammo version of it because boy are those rounds long and hard to store in a turret and two I'd like to see an ETC version that would make the gun even more performing. Leonardo showed a version of the super rapid on top of a centauro, the Draco version, and if it can be fitted in such a vehicle a cased telescoped ammo variant would easily fit in a tank, especially if all the crew is moved to the front in a safe cell like in the t14 armata. The cannon would provide anti air, anti infantry, anti IFV and even artillery fire for the vehicle, maybe even anti tank of we can make an ETC version. Then the stingers and the spike missiles would provide superior anti air and anti tank options.
I've always liked your videos for analyzing military vehicles worldwide and not being biased about their origins. It doesn't matter if it's Russian, French, Australian...you analyze what they have to offer. Great job!
Unification, its copy of helicopters launcher. Helicopters hellfire is brought up on the trolley directly under the launcher and its ok. But cavalry must suffer and raise it 3 meters by hand)
Modular capabilities are key for vehicles like the Stryker, LAV, Boxer etc.... it allows you to tailor your vehicles to whatever job that you needed from them. Perfect!! I'd been saying for years that we, the British, needed a Stryker style vehicle and now we do.. The Boxer!!
Hey Matt, im 16 and have started my application to join the British Army, so i can join after i finish this year at school. I was just wondering if you have any tips for training so I can easily pass my physical exam at the assessment centre when i finally get to go there. Or any tips at all. :)
@@Baz_1712 I do recall Mat making a video about tips and tricks for joining the military, called something along the lines of "So you want to join the millitary? stop training like a civilian" iirc, hopefully that might help. And respect man!
I wasn't to much of a fan of modular systems before but seeing it laid out like that I can see how marrying different weapon systems to a platform (same chassis) makes for platoons and companies that have great versatility in the missions they can accomplish. Hopefully there is a program to work on a replacement for the chassis while still being able to use multiple weapon systems.
Sniper is an highly expansive operation，any condition warrant the use of sniper require the predisposes of heavy vehicles, in warfare there is no perfect all around system, can’t be done and not worth it
What is interesting is that the IM-Shorad uses missiles that are t be replaced. The Hellfire will be replaced first. The Stinger replacement must fit into the current box, but what you may not know is that the box had to be big because you put the entire Stinger launcher in it, not just the tube containing the missile. That means there is a lot of spare room for a larger diameter missile. Right now, it uses a 70mm or 2.75 inch rcket because the motor is based on the old FFAR rockets (now the Hydra 70 motor.) Even the most modern AIM-(X Sidewinders are 5 inches in diameter for the same reason. They were originally based on the motors from the 6 inch Zuni rockets. I suspect the Stinger replacement will be a bit bigger because most of its new competitors are. I don't think that anyone expects a Stinger to be carried around by a grunt much anymore. They tend to ride around in vehicles.
Hey @Matsimus I was wondering if you may be doing a video about the recent discussion from Fort Benning about the Next Generation Future Tank Concept that was thrown around with tankers at the Armor School at Fort Benning, it showed design concepts for an Abrams Replacement! Love the content keep up the great work!
Great video and very educational Matt. I guess the Hellfire missile reloads would be carried by another Striker or are the reloads carried by the Striker SHORAD? Would that be the same for the Stingers?
@@SpardauDebesi Reports say the BMPT-72's armor is even superior to that of the T-90 (which already has one of the best armours in the world). The Striker, on the other hand, still has its light armour, and had only 2 missiles vs the Terminator's 4. Superior armour, more firepower, I think the Terminator wins by a long shot.
Hey Matt, I don't know if you are aware of this but when Canada first adopted the LAVIII, one of the versions was the Multi Mission Effects Vehicle. This was essentially a LAV with the ADATS turret on it with some minor changes. It was never adopted.
Course not, Its Canada. The government hates the military. They just like the "grip and grin" photo-ops they get when they go oversea's to "visit" deployed troops.
Hellfire platform is becoming the swiss army knife of munitions. Launched from every weapons platform (C-130, AH-64, UH-60, predator, Tanks, Ships, etc....), with a huge multitude of variants and warhead options (even the ninja blade version). Anti-tank, anti-personnel, anti-ship, now anti-aircraft...
don't think so the onboard radar seems really capable besides it's made in israel a.k.a home to largest arsenal of kamikaze drones so surely they have tried out this radar with their own arsenal
Well, the BMPT is mainly an Infantry Fighting Vehicle while it *could* fight air targets while the Striker is mainly a short range Anti-Air Vehicle while it *could* fight infantry.
What I've read, correctly me if I go this wrong, but the 30mm can on this gun is actually the M230 off the Apache which fires a 30x113 cartridge vs the Bushmaster which fires the 30x173 cartridge. Still a VERY capable cartridge!
I'm more interested in the capabilities of the AESA radar the IM-SHORAD has, than it's weapons. How small a target can it detect and at what range, and will it still work against fast jets? Using Hellfire Longbow missiles against air targets strongly reminds me of the ADATS. Are the Hellfires fast enough to intercept jets, or just helicopters?
against maneuvering jets they'll be ineffective, but im certain they can intercept helicopters and uavs at around 5 km, especially since there's a version of the agm 114 l with a proximity fuse.
Two points of clarification. The IMSHORAD 30mm is a lightweight 30 -- the XM914 is a 30x113mm cannon that is a modified Apache M230 cannon adapted for ground use (principally through a rate of fire change and shift to linked feed). Unlike "full caliber" 30mm cannons that fire APDS or APFSDS-T rounds for anti-armor, the M230/XM914 use an M789 High-Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) round to give it a mixed anti-personnel/anti-aircraft/anti-light-armor capability from a single feed weapon system. It's not comparable to say the Warrior's 30mm Rarden or the XM813 3x173mm cannon on the Stryker Dragoon (which is a dual feed design), but it is a flexible platform. And for those who might not realize it, most of the Hellfire live fire footage in the middle of the video is not of the IMSHORAD vehicle but rather the Boeing competitor for the IMSHORAD competition that lost out to the DRS weapons system. The Boeing bid used an Avenger turret mounted on the back of a cut-down "El Camino" Stryker where the winning DRS weapons station is mounted on the roof of a full-hull DVHA1. Doesn't detract from the effectiveness of the missile shown in the video though!
i like the idea of a striker with a SHORAD + AMOS. with just a simple 50cal and multiple aerial view mini drones. with modern weapons tech you don't want any armor directly seeing the enemy, ever. keeping it as an armored troop transport, with anti-air/anti-armor missile system + quick deploying mobile precision heavy motors, and aerial view drones.
Nice video. The 30mm cannon on this is basically the same as the one on the Apache and it's a lightweight model (30x113, 805m/s mv), not as potent as the Rarden on Warrior (30x170mm, 1070-1175m/s mv depending on round), but still packs some punch.
Hey MATSIMUS, I just saw a report about a project merger with lockheed and bae to create the future in anti armor systems - vertical launch (like on destroyers and guided missile cruisers) anti tank missiles mounted on 8x8s that data link with other units in order to hit targets beyond the terrain/horizon
There's already a robot voice youtube video covering the exact article I read, verbatim (link won't post. search "The UK unveils the anti armor concept of the future")
The problem would be where to place the rounds inside the body and the fact the thing would become useless in mere minutes after using up all the rounds
BMPT-72 can also stop most portable light anti tank weapons, the stryker is a deathtrap if someone with a modern rpg or equivelent there of aims at you
@@squgieman Yes, the light armor. Stryker as it is, is but a BTR in everything but weapons. If you'd turned old M - 60's into such platforms that would be your equivalent. Though that would then entail a new set of it's own problems... So... maybe better turn uparmored bradley to this instead of stryker... Or even better - you're America - make both!
Matsimus: This is precisely the configuration, I would like to see on the 8*8 infantry combat vehicle. The primary mission for the mashine canon is - depending on the shell - to provide the dismounts with supporting fire. The Hellfire for longer ranges. Now if getting a headsup of an impending air-attack means that the company commander can get them spread out and throw a hell of a lot of shrapnel in the air it will probably not hit anything: But it will "lift" the attacker up where the SAM's can get at them or even the fighters . Your own fighters will avoid the patches with own ground forces like the plague. The main advantage of the Stinger is that it is cheap, so you can afford throwing a lot of them up there for good measure.
I think the biggest question is how many can you carry? If they know you can shoot 4 missiles down, they will send 6, 4 for target practice, one in case of a dud, and 1 will kill you.
So Tracked Vehicles are the ones with Limitations, not the Wheeled Counterparts? That's new! Thanks for rewriting Reality, Matsi! That same RADAR System was tested on a M-2 Bradley - It did work as expected by the same Guys who tested the York :) It has to stand still to have the RADAR working! And then it totally goes Haywire when they fire that Bushmaster :) I know the RADAR is for the 114L, but that Missile is only fast enough to catch Choppers! That is why they also use the Stingers - Which have a very limited Range. A Gau-8 firing at it, has a bigger Range :) This Thing is worse then the LAV-AD which had alot of Problems but was a sound Design! It also could hit Something with the 5 Barreled 25mm Gatling Gun it had! The only way the US can have a good Anti Air Vehicle is when they match a good Tank Chassis with the SL-AMRAAM System and AESA RADAR. It would also only be able to engage when standing still, because of the Shaking but it would have the Range to allow it! Or they copy the Russian Tor-1! Also comparing that Thing with a BMP-T (that only looks comparable) is very weird, because the BMP-T was made for Infantry Support while that Thing is a SHORAD - Short Range Air Defense!
The BMPT looks inspired from the Leman Russ Exterminator tank from 40k. An inadequate configuration, with limited use. Something like the Vanquisher is much more useful, or even the basic MBT configuration if Vanquishers are unavailable.
@@ghostmourn_alt ill make it clear, i dont understand these piss poor military projects. Nor am i an expert, but jesus just build one from the ground up....
This thing is not cheap and developing a brand new one will be much more expensive. Unlike the Russian, US doesn't have a "lighter" tank platform so a terminator-like vehicle can't be made
@@nabara6949 I believe, with a different turret even Abrams can become much lighter, but 3 men crew and an autoloader is considered a heresy. But a modern look at Major Tom: double 50mm Bushmaster 3s an an Abrams chassy, a laser and a hybrid transmission (to use the gas turbine to power said laser) might be somewhat reasonable.
Very intersting turret, I like the fact that it can treat both air and land threats, and has a 30mm. gun to complet the panoply. Here in France we developped the Jaguar, it's a 6x6 chassis with a turret armed with a 40mm CTA canon able to engage air target thanks to air burst features. it also has two Akerons Missiles (TV and IR guided, 5km range)
I think this Striker has the potential to be more effective in clearing ground targets than it should be as anti-drone equipment. I recall that many anti-aircraft vehicles have been used for anti-personnel and ground target purposes to great effect.
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I can see this playing out: US copies Russian idea, China copies US idea that was copied from Russian idea, India buys all three ideas.
Genius...
Nah china don't export their tech to their enemy nations
everyone else in the world looks at all three countries thinks about ho that money could have been better spent and despairs lol
The ADATS system is kinda this idea.
America never copies, they just do it right!
BMPT-72 made for work with tanks in same formation and rapid kill soft/small dangerous targets like ATGM squads. There are many others Russian systems for army-level AA defense.
It has helo shoot down capabilities
@@dojocho1894 dude, Helos are basically the only thing that systems like the Tunguska will be shooting down. So that's really not special.
There’s only 10 in service isn’t there? Unlikely that they will meet that often.
I mean... No. BMPT is meant to advance with the tanks and surpress dangerous targets hence they are similarly armoured, this thing is not armoured.
the BMPT is more like an escort for tanks that was made to deal with infantry
This, BMPT is an actual vehicle made to face direct combat with infantry or tanks (as support)
While SHORAD as it stands for Short Range Air Defense, why would you have these two fight? It wouldn’t ever happen, and if it did happen, that means someone fucked up hard on the US side.
@@xellemane9108 they would have a good fight but the striker is smaller than the bmpt and faster
Isn’t the BMPT just a BMP infantry carrier with a modified turret?
Chloe Hennessey BMPT is a T-72 with a different turret if I’m not mistaken
Hopefully this is better than the Sgt. York fiasco!
I actually entered basic thinking I was going to be a crewman on one of those and found out I was acutualy going to be on the Vulcan about three quarters of the way through.
You want a better fiasco or a better vehicle?
Oh, wait...
The answer is yes.
@@spykezspykez7001 the idea of a common vehicle chassis isn't a bad one although we often take it too far.
Considering that the political climate at that time wasn't as bad as it is now, this could be a much bigger one.
General Motors for the XM-247 got screwed over and US Army choose the Ford version (Which was the crappier version over the WELL BETTER General Motors.) if my info is correct.
Ah yes, the AFV 4 "gorgon" CSAT favorite toy.
The gorgon is based off the Pandur II but this armament is pretty close to it minus the AA missiles
Didnt expect an Arma 3 reference lol
The gorgon is AAF..
Fockin blufor
@@nobodyherepal3292 is it?! oh boy, all that KOTH must have make my ID skills quite muddy
As a former SHORAD Officer I wish we had these
available back then. It looks very capable and very impressive.
im a bit late, but how is shorad implemented in the stryker Brigade? More as a mgs replacement with more flexebility? Or did they coexist. And what role have the dragoon?
Dont like avenger?
hellfire: im the greatest tank killer known to man
also hellfire: well might as well go AA
helicopter gunships: HAHA we are the tanks of the sky!
hellfire: *heavy breathing*
Hahahhaah siriosly not ewen in top 10 rockets
@@deki5510 Rockets are unguided weapons. The Hellfire is the premier anti-tank guided missile system currently available for any army. It has a proven record for both aerial and ground launched employment.
I absolutely love how on the longbow tests against the drones you can see in the footage that the first warhead detonates and then the primary anti armor warhead detonates and you can see the jet of copper whizzing through the sky after the planes already been destroyed. it looks so cool!!
hey, tholse nasty flying tanks need to be taken out SOMEHOW
lol
Doesn’t exactly look easy to reload
since a hellfire weighs about 100lbs, no its not
Yea. Imagine trying to reload this in modern and future drone infested combat conditions. Makes ToW and Javelins look high speed
@@bigvaxmeanie925
So for the US Army 50 kilos is a heavy load , and need a two mean team to operate ? Well , if so Putin can sleep with easy now ....
@@georggellen9920 I'd like to see you lift 50 kilos up 10 ft without dropping or damaging the missile
@@bigvaxmeanie925 aryillerymen sacrificing their spines: now this looks like a job for me
Designer: What do you want the Stryker to do?
Military: Yes
All the things!!
if it breaths and has oil w e m u s t m a k e i t d o a l l
Or
“well, you know, the F35? We’d like something like that for the ground”
Put the kitchen skink in to it.
@@revolverswitch loan it to the British for development
I'd much rather have a BMPT
really depends on the mission. the stryker can reposition quickly, and is mainly made for point air defence. the BMPT is ment to be the spear of an armoured attack alongside other heavy armour.
I much want the Puma IFV more
@@ravener96 atleast in terms of coolness BMPT wins by a huge margin, and that's all that matters.
the terminator looks like its made out of C&C
Looks like half a Mammoth Tank
"Drones can kill tanks from ten miles away, tanks are redundant..." enters STRYKER SHORAD hahahha
Drones are no joke, just look at fotage from the recent conflict on the borders of Armenia and Azerbaijan.
@@ApoMaTu3aTop that was quite unfair for someone who doesn't have a way to take out that drone :(
@@ApoMaTu3aTop you can’t hold ground with a laptop...
@@ApoMaTu3aTop that war showed what happens when you don't control the air which is what has already been shown in conventional warfare
@@tankdriver65861 Not taking any sides in the conflict I mentioned, but you can't deny drones were instrumental in Azerbaijan's victory. Not only did they held ground with laptops-would-be but they actually gained ground.
With time, as drones become more and more common on the battlefield there will be weapon systems to counter them I'm sure of it, but as of now drones are quite cost effective, devastatingly so.
Also there's little to none information on how well are drones detected by existing radar systems, how well are drones targeted by such systems, do they need to be modified to work on drones as well on conventional jet fighter/bombers OR they need to specially tuned for the job?
The Russians have simillar weapon system to the one shown in this video ('Pantsir' they call it) but there are reports of it beign destroyed by drone strikes. Was it an error on part of the operatiors of the system or is it a limitation of the weapon system itself? Who knows?
That HellFire shape charge vaporizes drones.
Yes, fire a 20K bucks for a 5K drone
Plus it doesnt got a proxy fuse, shure miss.
57mm granade of A220 whit proxy fuse is a fraction of the cost, you can cary a truck load as it is smaler, much faster on target
@@ljubomirculibrk4097 5K drone? Where are you buying them?
@@ljubomirculibrk4097 Grenade launchers do not launch grenades at over Mach 1, and do not lock onto their targets.
@@a-10thunderboltii24 grenades don't but auto cannons do and they go faster than mock 1. 25mm autocannon go much faster than mock 1 and cost a lot less than missiles.
Combined arms concept folks, multi-layered system with what each of you are talking about. Oto-Merala systems is working on this. Oh, and a 20k missile that saves a multi-million dollar weapon system (plus the biological computers inside) is a good trade for a 5k drone anytime
Your 30mm employment comments are spot on. As a young SHORAD platoon leader briefing my Infantry Battalion Commander for a good ten minutes, all he heard was “I have a .50 cal and thermal sights.”
Umm...no,BMPT was born out of Russian exprence in Grozny where infantry got pinned by heavy fire leaving the tank advance alone admidd confuse order and the chaos nature of the battlefield,BMPT is supposed to replace the infantry and the modifield SPAAG in that role
The SHORAD is just a fancy stryker that serve the same role as the normal stryker
You have picked the key difference. BMPT is a tank guard with heavy armor and anti infantry capabilities. The aim is to help tanks to break the most dangerous frontline. Antiaircraft capabilities are separated to Pantsir units.
"The SHORAD is just a fancy stryker that serve the same role as the normal stryker" No. the stryker is an infantry transport vehicle. The SHORAD is an AA and fire support vehicle. Two totally different roles.
Russia is a paper tiger.
@@Иванпонимаете-г4ш - murica is a paper tiger :p 5yo kid argument
@@mirandela777 and your a demoralized traitor, and need to face the wall.
It's not just the weapon system upgrade that makes this awesome. It's that it's on an A1 variant which is a night and day change for the better.
Bigger Cat C9 engine, larger Alternator (almost double the Apms), far superior ECS as well and an extremely improved interactive internal computer system and electronics. General Dynamics really did an amazing job on this Upgrade.
The C7 ACERT is really just a common rail version of the old 3126. When did they decide to go with the C9? It is like in between the old 3126 and 3176/C11 in displacement.
@@joem5903 they went with the C9 with this new DVH A1 Upgrade, so far a couple Brigades worth have already been Fielded. 400hp HEUI Engine mated to an Allison 3200SP Transmission. It also sports the NEHOPH 910 amp Alternator and a new Donnalson Air induction system. Seriously this Stryker is a whole new vehicle in respects to the older ones.
@@larryblais518 now, if they could only figure out a way to replace the VTA 903. Lol.
Hellfire and Brimstone...I see what they did there! Great video, subbed.
Crew for this thing most likely will suffer from mission overload - having only 2 helfiers and too may different targets to apply them to will lead to constant struggle with decision to hit currently available target and be basically left without firepower later or wait for a better target in multiple battle spaces. After all being "jack of all trades" has its own set of problems...
Also this should be compared to something like Pantsir system rather then Terminator as Terminator is a tank support vehicle - protect tanks from infantry and light armored vehicles especially in urban areas, while itself being protected from air by Pantsir and Tor vehicles.
11:57 did that stinger malfunction? Seems like it dove to the ground a few hundred meters downrange
I keep thinking about the M1 AGDS, how even back there the U.S.Army was considering a vehicle that could engage everything it would come to fight. Immagine that vehicle, but with a 75mm ETC autocannon, dual feed, one belt with APFSDS and one with 3P programmable ammo.
Instead of ADATS missile it could use a mix of stingers and SPIKE missiles.
Then sorround it with a good APS system. Maybe even put all the crew in a super safe capsule like in the t 14 armata. It would be capable of answering every type of battle demand. Sure, it would cost a lot but what would be a good way to fight a group of 5 of those things going around? Especally if supported by a battery of good Self Propelled Howitzer like the PZH2000? What would be the option to fight a vehicle that can engage EVERYTHING?
As for the gun, how about the OTO Melara 76mm Super Rapid? It's already shown to be workable on an SPAA platform (most recently the Draco). And it's already in the US Navy's inventory, which would probably help in selling the idea to Congress.
@@RedXlV Exactly. The only problem is that it would need to be a telescoped ammo version of it because boy are those rounds long and hard to store in a turret and two I'd like to see an ETC version that would make the gun even more performing. Leonardo showed a version of the super rapid on top of a centauro, the Draco version, and if it can be fitted in such a vehicle a cased telescoped ammo variant would easily fit in a tank, especially if all the crew is moved to the front in a safe cell like in the t14 armata. The cannon would provide anti air, anti infantry, anti IFV and even artillery fire for the vehicle, maybe even anti tank of we can make an ETC version. Then the stingers and the spike missiles would provide superior anti air and anti tank options.
Hm. When in s Stryker, i would not mind a PzH2000 or CEASAR behind my ass, i guess.
So basically a HSTV-L, but with a lot of extra weaponry?
@@maxiona714 Basically the M1 AGDS with the cannon of the HSTV-L (maybe even a bigger version), plus APS and a more modern crew accomodation.
I've always liked your videos for analyzing military vehicles worldwide and not being biased about their origins. It doesn't matter if it's Russian, French, Australian...you analyze what they have to offer. Great job!
Stryker looks very top heavy to me, like it's about to turn over during hard cornering. Also gives it a very high silhouette.
Stumbled upon this, gotta love being there before the actual notification. Great video Mat, keep up the great work!
Its kind of like how they turned the huey into a gunship.
Cheers 🇨🇦 TF1-06 Bison CC.
Think terminator is frontline, this system is rear. What I find surprising is the reloading is cumbersome, they need to improve it
Unification, its copy of helicopters launcher. Helicopters hellfire is brought up on the trolley directly under the launcher and its ok. But cavalry must suffer and raise it 3 meters by hand)
@@bobshard2 ADA*
Modular capabilities are key for vehicles like the Stryker, LAV, Boxer etc.... it allows you to tailor your vehicles to whatever job that you needed from them. Perfect!!
I'd been saying for years that we, the British, needed a Stryker style vehicle and now we do.. The Boxer!!
Hey Matt, im 16 and have started my application to join the British Army, so i can join after i finish this year at school. I was just wondering if you have any tips for training so I can easily pass my physical exam at the assessment centre when i finally get to go there. Or any tips at all. :)
Get running and doing push ups lol
@@_Matsimus_ Thanks 😂
@@Baz_1712 I do recall Mat making a video about tips and tricks for joining the military, called something along the lines of "So you want to join the millitary? stop training like a civilian" iirc, hopefully that might help. And respect man!
The need a M61 Vulcan on the Stryker
Give your Drill instructor or whatever you brits call them a big hug and tell him you love him
I wasn't to much of a fan of modular systems before but seeing it laid out like that I can see how marrying different weapon systems to a platform (same chassis) makes for platoons and companies that have great versatility in the missions they can accomplish. Hopefully there is a program to work on a replacement for the chassis while still being able to use multiple weapon systems.
Holy Crap, 7 comments in less than 2 mins...oh the power of Matts videos!
Cool mat
All that electronics and associated stuff on top of the unit looks fragile to a high caliber sniper rifle
Hell, the Stryker itself has poor protection.
Sniper is an highly expansive operation，any condition warrant the use of sniper require the predisposes of heavy vehicles, in warfare there is no perfect all around system, can’t be done and not worth it
The vehicle itself can be shot through by 12.7mm.
@@EcchiRevenge piss poor protection, can’t even stop a .50
Yeah I'm sure you want to be the guy shooting at a vehicles optics while its 30mm with thermals is staring back at you. 🤦🏻♂️
What is interesting is that the IM-Shorad uses missiles that are t be replaced. The Hellfire will be replaced first. The Stinger replacement must fit into the current box, but what you may not know is that the box had to be big because you put the entire Stinger launcher in it, not just the tube containing the missile. That means there is a lot of spare room for a larger diameter missile. Right now, it uses a 70mm or 2.75 inch rcket because the motor is based on the old FFAR rockets (now the Hydra 70 motor.) Even the most modern AIM-(X Sidewinders are 5 inches in diameter for the same reason. They were originally based on the motors from the 6 inch Zuni rockets. I suspect the Stinger replacement will be a bit bigger because most of its new competitors are. I don't think that anyone expects a Stinger to be carried around by a grunt much anymore. They tend to ride around in vehicles.
Hey @Matsimus I was wondering if you may be doing a video about the recent discussion from Fort Benning about the Next Generation Future Tank Concept that was thrown around with tankers at the Armor School at Fort Benning, it showed design concepts for an Abrams Replacement! Love the content keep up the great work!
Considering these are two different vehicles created for different purposes, I doubt they should be compared to each other in the first place
Great video and very educational Matt. I guess the Hellfire missile reloads would be carried by another Striker or are the reloads carried by the Striker SHORAD? Would that be the same for the Stingers?
I'm glad the U.S. army is stepping up it's SPAAG game. You always need something to fall back on just encase someone gets past your fighters.
The Terminator is basically a tank with lighter but more versatile weaponry. It beats the Striker by a long run.
No it doesn't bmpt 72 is a t 72 chassy but hellfire has no problem killing t 72 so realy who ever see it first lives
@@SpardauDebesi Reports say the BMPT-72's armor is even superior to that of the T-90 (which already has one of the best armours in the world). The Striker, on the other hand, still has its light armour, and had only 2 missiles vs the Terminator's 4. Superior armour, more firepower, I think the Terminator wins by a long shot.
Hey Matt, I don't know if you are aware of this but when Canada first adopted the LAVIII, one of the versions was the Multi Mission Effects Vehicle. This was essentially a LAV with the ADATS turret on it with some minor changes. It was never adopted.
Course not, Its Canada. The government hates the military. They just like the "grip and grin" photo-ops they get when they go oversea's to "visit" deployed troops.
Lasers to be added not long after the laser shoot off competition being held this year between Northrop Grumman and Raytheon in Oklahoma:)
"IM-SHORAD"
Yes, yes. Hi Shorad!
Woohoo! A new upload, and the first like along with it. I don't think today could get any better.
Didn’t mention that terminator is on a tank platform, so u basically engaging a tank with a 30mm cannon
The turret is bit familiar to BMPT 2000
So is it like the LAV-Avenger or...?
terminator: "who are you?"
stryker: "I am shorad, stryker shorad"
T-15 and Bumerang IFV: let us introduce ourselves
Hellfire platform is becoming the swiss army knife of munitions. Launched from every weapons platform (C-130, AH-64, UH-60, predator, Tanks, Ships, etc....), with a huge multitude of variants and warhead options (even the ninja blade version). Anti-tank, anti-personnel, anti-ship, now anti-aircraft...
there will be problem with a detection of air targets... more capable systems which focus only on AA have still big problem with modern small drones.
don't think so the onboard radar seems really capable besides it's made in israel a.k.a home to largest arsenal of kamikaze drones so surely they have tried out this radar with their own arsenal
thermal based systems are probably integrated since drones should pop up on thermals pretty distinctly.
Another great video. Thanks for the upload Matsimus!
Well, the BMPT is mainly an Infantry Fighting Vehicle while it *could* fight air targets while the Striker is mainly a short range Anti-Air Vehicle while it *could* fight infantry.
What I've read, correctly me if I go this wrong, but the 30mm can on this gun is actually the M230 off the Apache which fires a 30x113 cartridge vs the Bushmaster which fires the 30x173 cartridge. Still a VERY capable cartridge!
I'm more interested in the capabilities of the AESA radar the IM-SHORAD has, than it's weapons. How small a target can it detect and at what range, and will it still work against fast jets?
Using Hellfire Longbow missiles against air targets strongly reminds me of the ADATS. Are the Hellfires fast enough to intercept jets, or just helicopters?
against maneuvering jets they'll be ineffective, but im certain they can intercept helicopters and uavs at around 5 km, especially since there's a version of the agm 114 l with a proximity fuse.
Two points of clarification. The IMSHORAD 30mm is a lightweight 30 -- the XM914 is a 30x113mm cannon that is a modified Apache M230 cannon adapted for ground use (principally through a rate of fire change and shift to linked feed). Unlike "full caliber" 30mm cannons that fire APDS or APFSDS-T rounds for anti-armor, the M230/XM914 use an M789 High-Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) round to give it a mixed anti-personnel/anti-aircraft/anti-light-armor capability from a single feed weapon system. It's not comparable to say the Warrior's 30mm Rarden or the XM813 3x173mm cannon on the Stryker Dragoon (which is a dual feed design), but it is a flexible platform.
And for those who might not realize it, most of the Hellfire live fire footage in the middle of the video is not of the IMSHORAD vehicle but rather the Boeing competitor for the IMSHORAD competition that lost out to the DRS weapons system. The Boeing bid used an Avenger turret mounted on the back of a cut-down "El Camino" Stryker where the winning DRS weapons station is mounted on the roof of a full-hull DVHA1. Doesn't detract from the effectiveness of the missile shown in the video though!
They could put a crane on it too help loading the hellfire.
the rounds are about 100 lbs so a good crew should be able to man handle them.
the SAMS going off in the very beginning sounded just like minecraft tnt blowing up lmao 0:03
Well shit im just 640 in and that's a shitty reload situation...they better get that shit way better
i like the idea of a striker with a SHORAD + AMOS. with just a simple 50cal and multiple aerial view mini drones.
with modern weapons tech you don't want any armor directly seeing the enemy, ever.
keeping it as an armored troop transport, with anti-air/anti-armor missile system + quick deploying mobile precision heavy motors, and aerial view drones.
Nice video. The 30mm cannon on this is basically the same as the one on the Apache and it's a lightweight model (30x113, 805m/s mv), not as potent as the Rarden on Warrior (30x170mm, 1070-1175m/s mv depending on round), but still packs some punch.
Not the same its belt fed and real pain to get to
It also has a longer barrel and get at least 850ms.
Hellfire in AA mode still has penetration cone? It seemed that every hit threw a long "projectile" past the point of impact.
Hellfire/Longbow can hit air targets...cool learned something new
It's been three years. Any need for an update video?
Seems rather a pricey program for off the shelf tech?
It's in a similar situation to the Seargent York SPAAG
I dont know if I just havnt been seeing these kind of videos from you latly or what, but I've truly missed these kind of break down videos
Hey MATSIMUS, I just saw a report about a project merger with lockheed and bae to create the future in anti armor systems - vertical launch (like on destroyers and guided missile cruisers) anti tank missiles mounted on 8x8s that data link with other units in order to hit targets beyond the terrain/horizon
There's already a robot voice youtube video covering the exact article I read, verbatim
(link won't post. search "The UK unveils the anti armor concept of the future")
Stick a GAU-8 on there instead of the 30mm autocannon. Now that's air-defence.
The problem would be where to place the rounds inside the body and the fact the thing would become useless in mere minutes after using up all the rounds
Watching those soldiers struggle loading the Hellfire, I'd say it's quite a bit more than a Javelin.
Watch videos of attack helicopters using them in infantry. They just Cease to exist.
hellfire is about 100lbs which is the same as a 155 round. thats easily within man handling range. key word man handling.
The reason they use the M230lf, is that you now can get proximity fused rounds for it.
That Hellfire is freaking huge! Reload time would be forever
They are doing away with the hell fires. Only duel stinger pods now.
Sorry But BMPT-72 Terminator Looks Badass😅
BMPT-72 can also stop most portable light anti tank weapons, the stryker is a deathtrap if someone with a modern rpg or equivelent there of aims at you
@@squgieman BMPT72 30mm cann easily knock the stryker out even on long ranges
@@squgieman Yes, the light armor. Stryker as it is, is but a BTR in everything but weapons. If you'd turned old M - 60's into such platforms that would be your equivalent. Though that would then entail a new set of it's own problems... So... maybe better turn uparmored bradley to this instead of stryker... Or even better - you're America - make both!
@@squgieman apparently you never seen cage armor before
mat how about the apkws instead of the stingers ?
Matsimus: This is precisely the configuration, I would like to see on the 8*8 infantry combat vehicle.
The primary mission for the mashine canon is - depending on the shell - to provide the dismounts with supporting fire.
The Hellfire for longer ranges.
Now if getting a headsup of an impending air-attack means that the company commander can get them spread out and throw a hell of a lot of shrapnel in the air it will probably not hit anything: But it will "lift" the attacker up where the SAM's can get at them or even the fighters .
Your own fighters will avoid the patches with own ground forces like the plague.
The main advantage of the Stinger is that it is cheap, so you can afford throwing a lot of them up there for good measure.
I think the biggest question is how many can you carry?
If they know you can shoot 4 missiles down, they will send 6, 4 for target practice, one in case of a dud, and 1 will kill you.
They have the Dragoon Stryker with a 30 mm for infantry support. M1296.
They have been fielded by units in Germany
No, the end of the video. Idea for the next video, can a musket compete against a star destroyer.
Boom scary terminator
It is not only hardware against hardware. This war has proven how much determination and skill can knock out an enemy ten times more powerful.
Hey Matt, how's it going?
Not bad! You? 🙂
@@_Matsimus_ Doing great! It's Friday time for a black cherry cider; sit back and watch Dead and Loving it.
We used to have the LAV AD. That thing was a beast
So Tracked Vehicles are the ones with Limitations, not the Wheeled Counterparts? That's new! Thanks for rewriting Reality, Matsi! That same RADAR System was tested on a M-2 Bradley - It did work as expected by the same Guys who tested the York :) It has to stand still to have the RADAR working! And then it totally goes Haywire when they fire that Bushmaster :) I know the RADAR is for the 114L, but that Missile is only fast enough to catch Choppers! That is why they also use the Stingers - Which have a very limited Range. A Gau-8 firing at it, has a bigger Range :) This Thing is worse then the LAV-AD which had alot of Problems but was a sound Design! It also could hit Something with the 5 Barreled 25mm Gatling Gun it had! The only way the US can have a good Anti Air Vehicle is when they match a good Tank Chassis with the SL-AMRAAM System and AESA RADAR. It would also only be able to engage when standing still, because of the Shaking but it would have the Range to allow it! Or they copy the Russian Tor-1! Also comparing that Thing with a BMP-T (that only looks comparable) is very weird, because the BMP-T was made for Infantry Support while that Thing is a SHORAD - Short Range Air Defense!
"Hey, Sean Connery, are you RAD?"
"IM-SHORAD"
Isn't the hellfire being replaced by the JAGM
read the tittle , instantly go to comment section ...
Does that 30 fire slow for a true aa role?
Can’t wait to see it in war thunder lol
I was thinking the same thing lol
The BMPT looks inspired from the Leman Russ Exterminator tank from 40k. An inadequate configuration, with limited use. Something like the Vanquisher is much more useful, or even the basic MBT configuration if Vanquishers are unavailable.
Your vids are awesome man.
honestly no, they need to develope one from the ground up. The design looks like ass
It's a stopgap measure. Definitely in the long run the US needs to get back into the SHORAD game.
@@ghostmourn_alt ill make it clear, i dont understand these piss poor military projects. Nor am i an expert, but jesus just build one from the ground up....
This thing is not cheap and developing a brand new one will be much more expensive. Unlike the Russian, US doesn't have a "lighter" tank platform so a terminator-like vehicle can't be made
@@nabara6949 I believe, with a different turret even Abrams can become much lighter, but 3 men crew and an autoloader is considered a heresy. But a modern look at Major Tom: double 50mm Bushmaster 3s an an Abrams chassy, a laser and a hybrid transmission (to use the gas turbine to power said laser) might be somewhat reasonable.
I guess you don't care about parts compatibility? The Paladin just shifted to the Bradley chassis.
Love this kinda video concept
Great video, and i cant even tell its a robo voice, jk. USA YEEE
Hey Mastamus... How does this compare to the Canadian ADATS ?
Does the striker have any decent armor capability? I thought it was vulnerable to relatively light weapons.
So what happened to the Canadian SP adats?
ADATS was retired. They considered putting the ADATS on the LAV III hull. Multi Mission Effects Vehicle.
Program was cancelled.
Of course not, BMPT is tanks support vechicle, and IM-SHORAD is as name says, SHOrt Range Air Defence system so they're designed for diffrent roles
Very intersting turret, I like the fact that it can treat both air and land threats, and has a 30mm. gun to complet the panoply.
Here in France we developped the Jaguar, it's a 6x6 chassis with a turret armed with a 40mm CTA canon able to engage air target thanks to air burst features. it also has two Akerons Missiles (TV and IR guided, 5km range)
I think this Striker has the potential to be more effective in clearing ground targets than it should be as anti-drone equipment.
I recall that many anti-aircraft vehicles have been used for anti-personnel and ground target purposes to great effect.
7:45 some of the best shaped charge explosions I've seen, gives fireworks a run for their money
Would be nice to see a video on prospective Boxer mission modules
Is General dynamics also the company that’s making the boxer
Nice name... Roddy
I dont see the link for the VPN?
Should do video on the tunguska.