great info! A big difference maker is how you're using and type of amp. An amp that gets darker the more you push the power section as it goes into overdrive will get brighter naturally as you roll off the volume. Lots of preamp distortion will be completely different. With that your decision on treble bleed or not, 50's wiring or not are gonna need to be re-examined.
Nice Pic of Sammy Davis Jr & Cassius Clay aka Mohammed Ali.. I've thought of using a "Duncan" = Parallel designed treble bleed as well as the "Kinman" = Series style compared to the "Simple" without a resistor on a Jackson project I have with a duncan p-rail with a triple shot switchable ring & two fender single coils with a stacked 250k/500k tone pot & 500k volume pot & 5 way strat switch.. I need to make up a switchable circuit like you have to test for "TONE" with everything separate and then bring the perfect sound into reality.. THANKS!!
I like a single capasitor 220mf on neck and 220mf + a 150k resistor on bridge pickup on a les Paul with 490r and 498t. It makes the pickups more balanced i think. The 150 resistor keeps low end which i dont want in the neck pickup. Works great for me☺
Thank you so much for this +A2Guitars . What a great deep analysis. The resistor and cap in series sounds more musical to my ears as well and it affects less the taper which I prefer. Does the cap on its own also affect the taper? I wanted a mild treble bleed without affecting the taper, should I go for the series circuitry or just a more mildly capacitor like 1000pf? Thanks!
Excellent video explaining how/why treble bleeds work. I was curious if you have a schematic for that multi-function box? Is the 2nd cable plugged in where you are sending the signal straight into the pickups? That is a great idea if you are building treble bleeds and/or 50's style wiring kits to sell. Allows you to easily try different tone capacitors and use the 10k-30k resistor in series (or not). I haven't seen a box like this before, getting the schematic would be great! Thanks for the video and keep them coming!
Am I right in saying if I use parallel TB then whole of treble goes up slightly for vol 1 to 10,which I do not want. The answer to this question is somewhere in your excellent video and demos.I just want TB when I turn down the volume. Sorry I am not too good at electronics. I feel I am attending university lectures when I see your superb videos. Thank you so much for your methodical explanations.
Hi David. Thanks for the valuable info. My question is about bass guitar, pickup selector vs blend switch. My bass have a pickup selector, and I want to replace it to a blend switch and still keeping the sound as before? Is there any Blend switch that will give a good balanced mix without dropouts of volume between the pickups and the variety of tones when moving it around?
Hi there, wonderful explanation!! Thanks a lot!!! What is the code of a 0.001 or a 0.002 capacitor just like at the video? Do you have a video that explains that codes or can you just tell the codes please, I tried to find out on internet, but just get me more confused.
Ok Old vid but I just found you so I hope you are still answering questions. Is it fair to assume that the type of Caps used here will have as little to do with tone as they did in the in the tone cap survey? Also is there a reason to use different value caps and resistors in humbuckers than single coil guitars? If so what are the usual values for each?
hello dave and thanks for your help in understanding guitar electronics. i got a question, why my guitar volume pot open so drastically using 0.001nF and 200 resistor in parallel?... and doesn´t clean well...how this two components interact between themselves and the whole guitar circuits? thanks again for your help
How can higher frequencies pass more through a capacitor (with ESR and complex impedance) than through a short (even less capacitance and series resistance)? He said that the sound was brighter than with the volume on 10 (a short through the volume pot).
This happens because the capacitor is soldered to the input and output of your pot. As you turn the volume down, frequencies lower than the ones affected by the capacitor begin to dwindle, but the higher frequencies that were saved by the capacitor get pumped back into the pot. The result is that the treble frequencies can become more predominant in your tone at low volume than the bass and mid range, creating an apparent boost in brightness. It's not sending more treble through total, it's just sending more treble through proporitionally.
A whiie ago i got myself a Jazz Bass. Nnot being used to its passive electronics, i complained about the sensitivity of the pots (audio). To solve this my luthier apparently installed some kind of treble bleed cirquit. Sure enough after instaling this modification the behaviour of the pots was just fine but my sound is way too bright. so my question is: Does a treble bleed cirquit affect the tone of your instrument when the volume controls are all the way open? Thanks in advance!
DAVID COLLINS ------------ what capacitor value and resistor values did you use to get a Glassy tone? I'm trying to get this metal tin can glassy tone in SRV video, what treble bleed values would you think to use? Does SRV guitar sound he is playing in a metal can? @
ruclips.net/video/3U9iBsvDUf8/видео.html I've seen lowering the pickups way down into the pickguard, cutting the mids and also adding a capacitor to the pickup itself. Custom Shop Texas Specials were originally designed to mimic aged pickups with weaker magnets. Good luck, I hope this helps you out
Why not also make that filter even more adjustable by adding another tiny multi-turn pot to the capacitor. Then you can adjust it. From someone that works with real electronics and microcontrollers...that's a no brainer!
@@kevinj2525 Using a trimmer pot instead of a fixed resistor for the treble bleed resistor... less mechanically stable over time, pots have a mechanical wiper that can have contact problems. But it would be great to find the best resistor value and then stick in a fixed resistor of your preferred value.
"further loading the amplifier circuit" ?? The loss of high end when you turn the volume down is all about the capacitance of your guitar cable and the miller capacitance of the first tube circuit you hit in the amplifier. Try a very short cable 10cm (4 inches) from you guitar to a "buffer"(boss tuner pedal or other buffered pedal), the high end loss will be almost gone! You seem to ignore cable capacitance completely in all your videos..
+Notinserviceij "Lead" "cable" same thing :) And yes there is a audible difference, a long lead(6 meter) will act as greater capacitive load on the circuit then the same type, shot lead(say 1 meter) This is called shunt capacitance (you can find that in the datasheet of the lead you use, for instance mogami 2524 has a shunt capacitance of 130pF/m) You can read up on it all here :) www.buildyourguitar.com/resources/lemme/ This effect is only audible on passive pickups of course. What a treble bleed cap does is, trying to "bypass" loss of high end, that is introduced by the increased output impedance of the circuit when you turn down the volume control the high end is lost becourse the lead acts a capacitive load on the circuit.
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Nice to have a visual of what's going on.
By far the most comprehensive explanation of the elusive treble bleed circuit!
I love this series. Best on RUclips by far for guitar wiring with proper demos/explanations.
Thanks man! your labor is not in vain in this generation
This demo showed me exactly which style of treble bleed I am going to do in my strat, and why. Thank you so much.
Very happy to have found this video series, definitely the most informative demonstrations of these aspects of guitar wiring I’ve seen!
What a great and scientific aproach to this theme.
Congratulations for the informative video!
Excellent video and demonstration - exactly what was needed.
A great set of videos.
Very well demonstrated.
Great explanation and very informative! Thanks a lot for your good work!
Brilliant, clear explanation and demo. Cheers.
I love this series Also . Especially the clear visual insight of your tone influences, brilliant.
A2 Guitars keepup doing this!!!!!
I've been looking for this for so long. Thank you!
same feeling my friend
Awesome! Perfect demonstration of tone differences between circuits.. Thank You
well done, yet again! I love it!
Nice little comparison gadget you wired up! Instant way to quickly check different resister/cap/pot-taper values. 🤘🏽
That was a great video! Thanks so much for the demo... Would love to have one of those units you were using
Love your videos!
Thanks a lot for the highly informative video
miller capacitance perfectly explained! great video
Nice work! Thanks!
Best treble bleed video on the interweb!
Great video, let the experimenting begin! Why do I not have a treble bleed set up on my guitar already. Many thanks, Dave.
great info! A big difference maker is how you're using and type of amp. An amp that gets darker the more you push the power section as it goes into overdrive will get brighter naturally as you roll off the volume. Lots of preamp distortion will be completely different. With that your decision on treble bleed or not, 50's wiring or not are gonna need to be re-examined.
Exellent!
Nice Pic of Sammy Davis Jr & Cassius Clay aka Mohammed Ali..
I've thought of using a "Duncan" = Parallel designed treble bleed as well as the "Kinman" = Series style compared to the "Simple" without a resistor on a Jackson project I have with a duncan p-rail with a triple shot switchable ring & two fender single coils with a stacked 250k/500k tone pot & 500k volume pot & 5 way strat switch..
I need to make up a switchable circuit like you have to test for "TONE" with everything separate and then bring the perfect sound into reality.. THANKS!!
Great, thanks!
I like a single capasitor 220mf on neck and 220mf + a 150k resistor on bridge pickup on a les Paul with 490r and 498t. It makes the pickups more balanced i think. The 150 resistor keeps low end which i dont want in the neck pickup. Works great for me☺
I would like to see a similar evaluation/explanation of the Fender Greasebucket circuitry.
Thank you so much for this +A2Guitars . What a great deep analysis.
The resistor and cap in series sounds more musical to my ears as well and it affects less the taper which I prefer.
Does the cap on its own also affect the taper? I wanted a mild treble bleed without affecting the taper, should I go for the series circuitry or just a more mildly capacitor like 1000pf? Thanks!
Excellent video explaining how/why treble bleeds work. I was curious if you have a schematic for that multi-function box? Is the 2nd cable plugged in where you are sending the signal straight into the pickups? That is a great idea if you are building treble bleeds and/or 50's style wiring kits to sell. Allows you to easily try different tone capacitors and use the 10k-30k resistor in series (or not). I haven't seen a box like this before, getting the schematic would be great! Thanks for the video and keep them coming!
Am I right in saying if I use parallel TB then whole of treble goes up slightly for vol 1 to 10,which I do not want. The answer to this question is somewhere in your excellent video and demos.I just want TB when I turn down the volume. Sorry I am not too good at electronics. I feel I am attending university lectures when I see your superb videos. Thank you so much for your methodical explanations.
great
Hi David. Thanks for the valuable info. My question is about bass guitar, pickup selector vs blend switch. My bass have a pickup selector, and I want to replace it to a blend switch and still keeping the sound as before? Is there any Blend switch that will give a good balanced mix without dropouts of volume between the pickups and the variety of tones when moving it around?
Hi there, wonderful explanation!! Thanks a lot!!! What is the code of a 0.001 or a 0.002 capacitor just like at the video? Do you have a video that explains that codes or can you just tell the codes please, I tried to find out on internet, but just get me more confused.
a picture is worth a thousand words - where do I get one of that gadget?
Ok Old vid but I just found you so I hope you are still answering questions. Is it fair to assume that the type of Caps used here will have as little to do with tone as they did in the in the tone cap survey? Also is there a reason to use different value caps and resistors in humbuckers than single coil guitars? If so what are the usual values for each?
So what is a good choice for a Squier Classic Vibe Tele'?
I've got to get on of those testers! Maybe you could help me find one. Love the technical side of guitars.
I'd guess that he built it himself
how to measure frecuency response to guitar pickup? magnetic exciter probe? how to make? please!!
Any specific pot lug order when installing these in series?
hello dave and thanks for your help in understanding guitar electronics.
i got a question, why my guitar volume pot open so drastically using 0.001nF and 200 resistor in parallel?... and doesn´t clean well...how this two components interact between themselves and the whole guitar circuits?
thanks again for your help
You need a 200k resistor, that's 200,000 ohms. The k is for kilo, meaning "multiply by 1000."
'In series' is also nicknamed Kinman style
How can higher frequencies pass more through a capacitor (with ESR and complex impedance) than through a short (even less capacitance and series resistance)? He said that the sound was brighter than with the volume on 10 (a short through the volume pot).
This happens because the capacitor is soldered to the input and output of your pot.
As you turn the volume down, frequencies lower than the ones affected by the capacitor begin to dwindle, but the higher frequencies that were saved by the capacitor get pumped back into the pot. The result is that the treble frequencies can become more predominant in your tone at low volume than the bass and mid range, creating an apparent boost in brightness.
It's not sending more treble through total, it's just sending more treble through proporitionally.
A whiie ago i got myself a Jazz Bass. Nnot being used to its passive electronics, i complained about the sensitivity of the pots (audio). To solve this my luthier apparently installed some kind of treble bleed cirquit. Sure enough after instaling this modification the behaviour of the pots was just fine but my sound is way too bright.
so my question is: Does a treble bleed cirquit affect the tone of your instrument when the volume controls are all the way open?
Thanks in advance!
GharmanNL After doing some logical thinking i have answered my own question. Thanks for the video's! They have brought me some real insight :)
DAVID COLLINS
------------ what capacitor value and resistor values did you use to get a Glassy tone?
I'm trying to get this metal tin can glassy tone in SRV video, what treble bleed values would you think to use?
Does SRV guitar sound he is playing in a metal can?
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ruclips.net/video/3U9iBsvDUf8/видео.html
I've seen lowering the pickups way down into the pickguard, cutting the mids and also adding a capacitor to the pickup itself. Custom Shop Texas Specials were originally designed to mimic aged pickups with weaker magnets.
Good luck, I hope this helps you out
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Seems like this could make a great guitar pedal if you could wire it into a small box... "the Collins Treble Bleed"
Why not also make that filter even more adjustable by adding another tiny multi-turn pot to the capacitor. Then you can adjust it. From someone that works with real electronics and microcontrollers...that's a no brainer!
Oo, whats that all about?
@@kevinj2525 Using a trimmer pot instead of a fixed resistor for the treble bleed resistor... less mechanically stable over time, pots have a mechanical wiper that can have contact problems. But it would be great to find the best resistor value and then stick in a fixed resistor of your preferred value.
I'm confused, the lower the value the capacitor the more treble comes through ? So a 500pf lets through more treble than a 750pf ?
The smaller the value of the cap, the more high frequencies can pass through.
sounds brighter with the cap only, all the rest sound about the same
"further loading the amplifier circuit" ?? The loss of high end when you turn the volume down is all about the capacitance of your guitar cable and the miller capacitance of the first tube circuit you hit in the amplifier. Try a very short cable 10cm (4 inches) from you guitar to a "buffer"(boss tuner pedal or other buffered pedal), the high end loss will be almost gone!
You seem to ignore cable capacitance completely in all your videos..
+Claude77 Cable? It's called a lead and no there is no loss in tone between the length of leads, well not an audible difference.!
+Notinserviceij
"Lead" "cable" same thing :)
And yes there is a audible difference, a long lead(6 meter) will act as greater capacitive load on the circuit then the same type, shot lead(say 1 meter)
This is called shunt capacitance (you can find that in the datasheet of the lead you use, for instance mogami 2524 has a shunt capacitance of 130pF/m)
You can read up on it all here :)
www.buildyourguitar.com/resources/lemme/
This effect is only audible on passive pickups of course.
What a treble bleed cap does is, trying to "bypass" loss of high end, that is introduced by the increased output impedance of the circuit when you turn down the volume control the high end is lost becourse the lead acts a capacitive load on the circuit.
Claude77 I'll give it a read seems interesting
Thanks!
@@Notinserviceijwrong
I don't undertstand what he means when he says, "turn the volume down to 5" I usually solder my volume pots to 11.