This Simple Mod Made My Guitar Sound WAY Better
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Ah, should have rewired your Les Paul into "50s" wiring, then compare that to the treble bleed. It just takes your existing wiring in a Standard and re-wire one of the wires to a different post. You can look it up. It's like a treble bleed, only not as harsh as they can be. Jeff McErlain has a few videos talking about it, like his "Dialing in your Les Paul" video. It would have been interesting to see the differences.
EDIT: And I see someone has already suggested this. My point is that it would be interesting to see the difference between 50's wiring and a treble-bleed.
Yea I'm with you. The treble bleed makes more highs present and less mids when down. 50s wiring is solid and has opened up quite a few of my Gibson's.
I always used treble bleeds in everyrhung for the last few years but have recently gone back to 50's wiring. I love it because I still get fuzz and treble booster glassy clean up
On strats I should say
I much prefer 50's wiring to treble bleed. some people ride the tone knob, and for those people treble bleed seems to be their preferred choice (along with 60's wiring or modern wiring), (I am given to understand that if you move your tone knob while live it could effect the volume of the output in 50's wiring, so people that would change tone while playing would have an issue with this....I ONLY change my tone when I need to compensate for an out of balance amp)...also, I ride my volume knob (I use it to drive my amps, you change the volume of your guitar while live it will not effect your tone at all) and for me 50's wiring has always given me better results than treble bleed circuits. (which you would only put in to a guitar wired in modern or 60's wiring configurations. Why would you put a treble bleed circuit in to a guitar wired in 50's config as they do not have any treble loss as an issue? As stated earlier the 50's circuit would produce a volume loss when moving the tone pot, but the volume pot does not effect the tone at all, just the reverse is the issue with 60's and modern wiring circuits.).
I know a technician who is sort of obsessed with guitar electronics. I mod all my humbuckers and P90s Gibsons with him. This is what he does:
1 - Neck volume knob becomes master volume for both pickups.
2 - Bridge volume knob becomes pickups blend (you can blend the bridge pickup when on neck position and vice versa; doesn't do anything on middle position).
3 - Neck tone knob becomes master tone knob (the usual low pass knob we all know).
4 - Finally, bridge tone knob becomes master high pass filter (not a treble bleeder, but something much more powerful and versatile).
I've been playing with different capacitor values for years and every guitar ends up with a different value for this high pass filter knob. It is just so practical and powerful that I can't use a standard wiring Les Paul anymore. At any volume you can dial in just the right amount of bass and treble that you want on your sound, almost like a two band EQ pedal. Not to mention that, to me, it's more practical to have one knob working on both pickups for everything. One master volume, one high pass filter, one low pass filter.
My go-to setup when playing edge of break up sounds on the neck pickup is to blend 20% of the bridge signal (gives it a bit more bite), roll off the bass (high pass knob) to about 7 and then play with the saturation using the master volume knob.
You'd be surprised by how much this mod opens up a world of tonal possibilites. By rolling off the bass 100%, you get almost a rickenbacker sound. Not harsh at all, just thin. It's so cool. Oh, and P90s also benefit a lot from these mods. Highly recommend you do some research on the original Les Paul schematics, designed by Les Paul himself. He was a big fan of the high pass filter knob. I wish Gibson kept it in the final design. People don't know what they're missing.
That's such a killer idea
can ya post va schematic for it please
How exactly is it done?
I'm gonna need a schematic, chief.
@@beefs0ck911 I’ll ask the guy who did the mods for me.
Your videos are becoming better and more varied. I like it. What got me into your channel was the backstage vlogs. Please continue that when you can. Thanks.
Thanks for clearing things up. That's why I love this channel.
I refurbished a telecaster I built in the 90's over the winter and spent a lot of time listening to the wiring before I changed it. First I got rid of the treble bleed circuit and then changed out the brand of cap in the tone circuit (orange drop now). The tone really improved and the Texas special pickups really sound great now (repotted the neck pickup too). Adding a 4-way switch was a nice touch (so two pickup with a serial and parrallel wiring option) It's always a good idea to spend time with your wiring, a couple of amps, and a few pedals and see what really works for you.
Excellent tip. Many thanks. Really enjoying your new breaking out of the pentatonic box course.
A good tip for the awkward springs is to use an aligator clip to hold the spring back when reinstalling the pickup ring👍
Omg! Yes! Thank you! I can’t believe I hadn’t thought of that. And I’ve spent some time on my hands and knees searching for those dad-blasted springs that shot across the room when my grip slipped. More than once, for sure. 😂
@@spankyhanderson3680 you're welcome my friend, it was life changing for me too. I only wish I could remember who shared this tip with me, I can't take the credit unfortunately 😊
Great Job Man ❤❤❤
That Treble-bleed circuit really makes a difference on your neck pickup. I like the improved presence. Gives more of an ES-335 tone.
Very informative RS. I love when you show us alternative stuff to try. Keep that rolling sir! Love your channel my fellow Georgian.
Great videoI When I install treble bleed capacitor, I always use a heat sync to solder to the pot. If the potentiometer gets too hot from solder, the disk that turns the dial inside warps and then it's wrecked. I've learned that the hard way!
Fck yeah! Way to go zach! We've been waiting! Great vid as per the ush rhett💛🤙
Nice clear usable tone when volume rolled off....bet it sits in a mix well. Thanks for scoop!
Rhett another great video 👍
As much as I love the Company’s pedals, from what I heard, the Mythos actually sounded muddier to me on most examples.
Yeah that's why I nevered liked alnico II magnets. If those were alnico V's it would probably sound way better.
Honestly, I find it really hard to tell in this video. Not sure what Rhett was playing through on this video, but his tone was super boomy with way too much bass. Sounded like the amp was crapping out and way too muddy when on the treble pickup for both sets of pickups. Sounded like way too much room mic too, so maybe he's still working on dialing in the new studio.
@@Stratisfied22 I love jazz and clean very slight edge of breakup blues and alnico II are my favorite magnets
everything sounded compressed and very similar
@@AndrewNuttall his tone was his usual tone, a little less crispy maybe which is not a bad thing.
Beautiful guitar man
I’m so glad you said that about chrome pick ups! And your comparison to chrome rims made perfect sense and couldn’t agree more. Well stated and I’ll be stealing that!
Wow best post ever!! Loved this thanks Rhett. Great look at some cool mods. The diff was audible even on a phone
The Wizz sounded much more "open" and clear - like they were breathing - The Mythos were quite muffled.
I have Wizz in one of my guitars, and they never left me wanting. They sound perfect in it.
they both sounded very similar and compressed.
@@jfar3340 Do you mean compressed like with a compressor? it has less attack?
@@DynamicRockers ''Do you mean compressed like with a compressor?'' yes
''it has less attack?'' among other things
Everything just sounds so compressed, no dynamics.
That's strange, I thought just the opposite. The Wizz pickups sounded like there was a blanket over the amplifier un my opinion... 🤔🤔🤔
Then again I thought the stock BurstBuckers sounded better than both of the aftermarket pickups...lol
Great video Rhett. The pickups sound very good and the guitar mods were fun to watch. I really liked the video production. The cuts to Zach gave it a Discovery Channel vibe.
I have a guitar that came stock with a treble bleed circuit and I always tell people that the guitar came with a clean channel. It’s a wonderful mod.
Very worthy upgrades!!!
Treble bleeds are a godsend when you are playing at low levels to keep that bright bite intact. Love them, especially when you can buy them for $3 pre-made. Great upgrade for single coils too
You've got my support brother 👍
Very cool!!!! Sounds great.
Short and simple
Thank you so much !!!
They sound really good!!
The switchable treble bleed is a really cool idea.
Ya, those sound amazing.
Off to get a treble bleed set for my 2019 Classic. Nice playing Rhett & that finish on your Standard is a work of art.
That was awesome I think that was the best front pickup I’ve heard in a while.
I got treble bleeds in all my humbucker guitars. Love it! 50’s wiring is not enough. On the neck pickup, that is.
I put the series version in. Massive difference in my strat and the volume knob still works as good.
The treble bleed sounds great. At the lower volume makes it sound more like a vintage LP Deluxe mini humbuckers.
Nice…both sound awesome!!!
Beautiful guitar
Popped one in my American Standard 96 Strat. Gave it new life. I use the volume knob more now.
I love the plunk in those
What I usually do with treble bleeds Rhett is fit them using a push-pull so that the treble bleed is 'switchable', means you can choose to let the sound get darker as you roll off the volume or have it retain those highs depending on whether the pot is in the up or down position
In a couple of my guitars I did something different, 50s tone wiring also retains more of the highs when you back off the volume, in a couple of guitars I have the tone as a push-pull which allows me to switch between 50 and 60s or 50s and 'modern' tone wiring, found I prefer that to the switchable treble bleed
i just installed a treble bleed in my Strat (Kent Armstrong pickups, 1 nanofarad cap + 120k ohm resistor in series, 250k pots) and i love it!! i added a switch to enable/disable it for easy comparison and the difference was night and day! sounds so much brighter and lively when volume is rolled down. highly recommend it!
To my old start pounded ears I like the mythos more smooth and as you said bitey .that bleed really cleans it up
I have a strat with two humbuckers I put the trouble bleed in there years ago I love it.
I installed a treble bleed in my latest build/mod and love how it works at different volume levels. I did a demo on YT when testing it. I'm also looking at installing them in my other guitars. Nice demo Rhett.
Treble bleed sounds awesome on that LP. Once I saw Fender had installed one on my 2017 Pro Strat, I went ahead and installed them on all of my guitars. Once you've tried it, it makes you wonder why most guitars don't just come with those installed stock.
Because the prices would have to be slashed. Believe it or not this is a feature that the big makers like to slam $300 and more onto the retail price. Pardon the pun, but in time this feature will 'Bleed' into the features of less expensive Guitars. It's as you say a selling point.
@@fongy200 yeah, crazy that it’s a basic $5 mod that I’m sure is used as a expensive up sell. But like you said, only for so long until it becomes more expected and standard.
Probably because many people including myself use the volume control to completely turn off the volume at certain moments when playing live
Nice pick ups! Sounds perfect to me
Hi Rhett, I have treble bleeds on all my custom made Strats and they are great. I own a Les Paul Gold Top from 1969 with two fantastic PU's, so called T-Tops. This guitar sounds great as it is.
I have another LP from 2007 which had awful sounding Classic '57 PU. I found another T-Top for the neck and combined it with a Seymour Duncan JB Model. This guitar became a killer one.
But the biggest improvement was to replace bridges and tailpieces with ABM products for both LP's, a German company. This was absolutely mind blowing. The tone turns out to be more accurate, defined and precise. Maybe this is the reason why I never noticed my LP's sounding muddy when backing off the volume. I can recommend replacing the bridges with ABM or another equivalent brand for Strat's too, it's simply amazing. After watching this video I will listen closely to my LP's and if needed I will install treble bleed's.
The Ibanez JS Joe Satriani models all have the "high pass filter" on the volume push pull. I use it all the time, it is really useful when playing with high gain as it allows you to go to an almost clean tone without changing channels but maintains good definition.
Keep rockin'
Rhett your Paul has never sounded better my friend !! everything sounds great !!!
Gretsch had been putting a treble bleed on their master volume pots for Filter'tron equipped models lately. Sounds fantastic.
Sounded incredible dude!
I agree about rolled down volume knob + fuzz pedal = best clean sound. It's just so damn great 👍
Cool jam there at 5:12 Rhett. I love the funk. Gotta have that funk.
wow! so good.
I've installed quite a few treblebleed caps (usually on a master volume), and they are definitely worth checking out!!
I always wire the treble bleed or bright cap via the tone pot, so I can have the tone pot controlling treble boost or cut. Tone pot wiper to the pickup (selector), one end of the pot via treble cut cap to the ground, the other end via bright cap to the volume pot wiper. Cap sizes according to the pickups and taste.
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I used treble bleeds for ages.... and then I tried 50's wiring. I went back and forth for a while because 50's wiring does change the sound of the instrument (makes it clearer and not as dark) and how the volume and tone pots act and interact. Now I love 50's wiring and can't go back. They are on all my guitars....
Good stuff
Fascinating mod ...!!
I have a treble bleed on my HH Tele and Stratocaster. It's something I'll always add to any electric I get.
every time Rhett says something will make you sound better it really does
My 1958 Reissue has the 50s spec wiring. There are so many in between tones in there without it getting muddy.
Zach really does have a great ear. Keeping these in mind for the next time I’m looking for a low output humbucker
Those new pickups sound great...agree with the treble bleed
So right about shiny chrome pickups, good call having him dull them up.
They sound amazing , almost like they’re only picking up what you want them too and not every unwanted noise !!!!! ORDERED
Sheeooot, I gotta try this!
Rather interesting about how one modification can change the whole game! Definitely have to give those a shot
Sounds killer, man u are the go to guy for Gibson sounding blues
Hey Rhett, I would highly recommend replacing the Stock volume pots with 525+ ohm VIPs & wire the harness 50's style. It will bring the pickups to life with greater clarity & way smoother attenuation. I wasn't completely satisfied when I swapped the Stock PU's to OX4 A4 LW , Until I changed the Pots. Maybe replace the entire Harness with a 50s kit from Throwback or VIP???
Love your playing & grateful for all the time & effort you put into the channel.
Cheers
I'm currently adding a crossfade circuit to a little Washburn guitar. Each pickup has it's own tone control and in active mode it's got a crossfader circuit so I can differentiate tone and mix the pickups. In inactive mode I have a 3 way switch but tone is still controlled per pickup. A single volume control works for both active/passive modes.
I love the low end coming out of the Mythos pickups. Don't hear that coming from the Whizz. Both sound great! I do think the amp needs to be brighter, but maybe that's just my cheap monitors. Love to see the diy work! People need to see this stuff. This is the nitty gritty that goes on behind the scenes of being a musician
A game changer. In combination with prs custom 50 I’m able to plug straight in and control volume/tone/crunch/distortion/clean without touching the amp. Custom 50 foot switch is brilliant with channel switch/ reverb/solo boost. All my guitars now have treble bleed. It’s like going from having a few tones to a hundred tonal variations at your fingertips.
Good sound.
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Get a set of humbucker helpers from Stewmac and pickup ring swaps are super simple. Well worth the money.
I have treble bleeds on my LP, SG, Tele, and 335., both pickups on all. At very low volumes, you can get borderline strat sounds from the LP, especially on the neck pick-up.
Gary, can you post a link to the treble bleeds you use? Thanks
@@Starkman3 sure, will do. I will take some pictures and post a link.
Back in the day i used to solder a .042 mfd cap across the two hot stems of the neck volume control and would be able to roll back the mud on my Gibson les pauls ...try it you'll love it.
Always something lost over the computer, but to my ear these pickups sound really, really good.
I put treble bleeds on a few of my neck pick ups. They sound so clear and clean and I love rolling back the neck volume to a crisp clean tone then I go to the Bridge pick up gain roar. Very Pagey 🤗
I discovered Khruangbin because of this channel!! Thank you, Rhett!
I had a Stratocaster for about 15 years before I had a friend of mine install a treble bleed into my volume pot and it absolutely changed everything about the way that I interacted with my volume knob on My Guitar they are beautiful things to have and they are almost instrumental in making you a better guitar player no pun intended
I absolutely love the treble bleed mod. I have it on my P90 Gibson Les Paul. I think I may give those pickups a try in one of my other Les Pauls!!
mythos hands down... thank you!
I've installed them on every guitar I own. A must have if you roll the volume down.
Me as well. It's a must. Playing with fuzz has never been this fun before.
Even on a strat?
I recently removed every treble bleed from all my guitars. I enjoy the different sounds by rolling off.
@@zacadelic7247 especially on a strat! Gives you amazing dynamics because you won't lose any top end from those single coils when you roll the volume down.
@@popeye089 For sure! All depends on the player and the application. For me personally I do prefer being able to have my full pickup volume be where I set my default crunch/gain sound and then be able to roll the volume down for a quieter/cleaner sound with more touch dynamics without it getting muddy or boomy. I think in the context of a song a lot of the times it's great to use the input gain (i.e. the pickup volume) rather than turning a pedal on or off to control the overdrive differences inside of a song whenever possible as it usually ends up more natural sounding and less abrupt/jarring. In other genre's though I could absolutely see why you might want something else.
I first tried a treble bleed circuit on my 2016 Professional Jaguar, and holy does that make a huge difference. I’ve since modded my 2019 LP standard with the same mod too.
Tip for you Rhett (and anyone else who has fought this problem) ...When swapping the rings, use a pair of small alligator clips as spring compressors to help get the screws started...The ones I use are about a half inch jaw length. Good luck!
If you clip an aligator clip on the spring on the screw, it will hold the spring down so you can get the plastic on easier.
Had a treble bleed in a guitar once, took it out within a few days. Didn’t like it at all, but each to their own. It just reduces bass and mid frequencies and you’re left with a thin sounding guitar. To me it was more useful to use the volume control as it is to knock back treble in harsh sounding rooms/amps. And then use a volume pedal if I want to reduce actual volume.
That's what I'd be worried about too. I like dialing back the volume to kill the jangles from my strat copy lol
I had a similar problem, I ended up making the treble bleed switchable with a push/pull pot.
@@StephenGallacher Now that's dope
Never had that problem/those anomalies. ever; just sayin’
TRY vintage wiring instead! Works almost as well, no bass loss!
Nothing beats an awesome sounding Les Paul.. Sounds great man. Good job
The magnetic pull (Gauss) from different pickups will be different. If your string is too far onto the field it will struggle vibrating properly sounding muddy. Use a scope and measure for good output and adjust greatest distance between string and mag pole.
I think I enjoy your playing the most out of all the internet guitarists.
Zach is killing it
I appreciate you trying all of the urban legions in pursuit of perfect tone!
Great little mod for great big sound 👍
When I had my buddy install my Screamin Demons in my Les Paul, he added a treble bleed in my bridge pot. Made a big difference, especially since I play Thrash/Heavy Metal
Leaning more towards the darker sounding Mythos. Both sound very good.
I play a Schecter PT Fastback and loved the Duncan humbuckers, I’d like to try these ones out on that one too! ☺️
I indeed like the way my pickups darken up with the volume pot down
That way when I go to full volume for a solo (for example) I get a little bit better cutting through
Just a matter of setting my eq to full brightness with the volume up, getting it down to "rhythm sound" and adjust if I need it
Wow. The mythos is a special set. I want some
Love my Dimarzio Tone Zones with alnico iv and iii mag swaps. Hot and overwound like hell but with the "correct" magnets and 550k pots too.