@@jal-kx6tmyeah that sounds so aus xD But man I really don’t get car sponsors for games. I think the sponsors would work way better if players actively used those things. For example in soccer when players do wear new shoes, fans will buy it xD But how does team liquid ace the enemy make me want to buy a new car???? XD
I’ve never really cared for sponsorships. But the other day I was strolling through Walmart and saw some Pagoda egg rolls. Bought them and air fried them. Those things slap! I love that LCS introduced me to the Pagoda egg rolls.
@@tinecchi3648 The idea is that if you're looking for a new car, Kia will be on your mind whether that's not or 5 years in the future because you had a positive opinion of them due to LCS ads, even if that opinion isn't fully conscious
Agree. Its so easy to say yea i fuxked up, looked at my ult and relaxed, mb. No one would hate him. Happens. Even inspired can say i fucked up. If you play it off like ur never wrong it comes off so socially unaware and cocky
When you guys spoke about the Dig interview, you should of thrown up a clip of it. I know this drives views away from the clip but it makes this show better and I'm sure the audience here would appreciate it
I was glad for the Bwipo portion because the way Bwipo and Inspired talked about Jensen and the mistakes they made during the back end stuff was so delusional so I'm glad Meteos called the nonsense what it was.
Another hype regular season matchup from the past was TL Doublelift calling TSM boosted and Bjergsen saying "I'm just gonna try and shut him up". TL leaves up reworked Akali and TSM first picks for Bjerg and then he goes 14/1/5. That was a good hype match.
I'm pretty excited as an NA fan for worlds. TL has been playing at a consistent high level for the last 4 months and proved they can at least compete internationally at MSI, C9 has the crazy high ceiling if they can figure things out as a team, and whoever comes out on top of the DIG/FLY beef should have some nice momentum coming out of playoffs.
Agree with Azael, following doesn’t mean shit in the GOAT conversation. It’s all about performance, consistency, and the you influence/change the game.
I cannot fathom how 2/3 people really said that social status has even a shred of significance when it comes to the GOAT conversation. “Mahomes > Brady, you see his twitter following?”
You're saying what Azael is saying, and it's not what Kobe and Meteos are saying. It's not that social status is everything, but it does matter a little bit. All else being equal or close to equal, a player's impact on the scene can be the deciding factor.
Cant wait to watch LCS Sat and Sun, totally not Thursday Friday. Jokes aside I am rooting for Dig this season. 100% would love to see Dig and TL at worlds. I agree, they just have that vibe about them that makes it hard to root against them. Also I really want dig to do well, since we are losing two more orgs would be a shame imo to lose dig. Shoppify hasnt done enough and IMT feels like they are just happy they cant finish 10th.
I’m so excited for dig fly because of the drama but a huge huge reason is cause it’s best of 3!! It makes these tense moments more tense and exciting. I hope it’s a banger and that dig comes out on top, go Zven!
Goat topic - if we look at, as an example - Ali being the goat of boxing... did he have the best W/L rating? no, but he was great & revolutionized the sport with his own style & energy. He also did a lot for his people and was idolized for what he stood for. If we take that type of ideology to League of Legends. Doublelift came the closest to winning a tournament with the major regions (MSI) He was the UZI of NA, but he fell short at Worlds every time. I think he had the advantage of being one of the early big names. His spicy comments, made him polarizing, & has a highlight reel of huge plays in clutch moments. With all things considered. Strictly bringing it back to NA, with the number of titles under his belt & everything I mentioned above, I think he does stand the tallest in the goat conversation. I'm by no means comparing Ali to Doublelift, but I'm basing my take, off on how I perceive public view on Goat's status. This is also my opinion and not fact.
If the staff is invested in the interviews and stuff, lets get a staff Q&A segment with a couple players! Could have a camera angle to catch staff reactions. Would be funny to get some troll or drama bait questions from them.
I think GOAT discussion should be specific to role considering how much more of a team game league is. Impact is indubitably the GOAT of NA top laners.
I kind of disagree with Azael about social reach not being part of a GOAT conversation. Michael Jordan doesn't win in every statistical category ever, whether it's total championships, points scored, or shooting percentage. But his impact on the sport at large is undeniably the largest of any player in its history, so having great statistics and great career moments on top of that make it hard to argue against him as the best. It will be hard to top Doublelift in that regards, and I say that as a person who generally doesn't like him at all.
Jordan might not be the literal top in every statistical category, but the conglomerate of his stats still make him the greatest player of all time regardless of his social impact. If there is a stat that exists, Jordan likely is near the top or number one.
Doublelift is definitely the GOAT. After the tragedy that happened to his family in 2018 Spring the week before Finals, he was still able to hold strong and win the series for his team when any other person would have been mourning. He is LCS!! 🐐 X
@joshpointoh It's one of the reasons I've always thought he was the GOAT, not even because of all the championships and highlight plays, but the strength it took to show up on stage and perform when something so undeniably horrific had happened to his family.
The problem with 100T is meech is not upto zven or Yeon . One of things they relied on was senna last split but the same recipe wont work this patch. Its going to be easy for other teams to just mark Quid and River as they are the playmakers.
I may be in the minority, so take this in context with other feedback you get: I love the dive, been listening since the beginning. Sometimes I just have to skip a few minutes when 'discussions' verge on arguing. The difference socials makes on GOAT discussion did it for me this time. Doesn't bother me when there is disagreement... But like each give an opinion, mayyyybe one 'rebuttal' each and then just move on. It starts to feel too much like I'm listening to an ego need for approval on your opinion. I'm sure that's not really it, you guys are all awesome and friendly and all, but it's just not enjoyable to listen when the disagreement is belabored over too long. Hope this came off and constructive feedback, keep up the great content! Much ❤ Azael, Kobe, and Metoes!
I hate the narrative has shifted so much since when they were playing. Bjergsen was always the goat for most people when they were both playing. He dominated NA for so long and got international recognition equal to DL. DL had much better teams when they were apart facing off, playing with people like Impact and CoreJJ. But now that Bjerg retired everyone is just looking at DL still soaking in the limelight and forgetting the real GOAT was always Bjergsen
I love Azael so much man. I love him i wish he never retired and keep being part of casting and desk. I love his sense of humor is just the best. He always make me laugh with this mockery comments out of nowhere. I'm always laughing so hard during his casting and Dive episodes.
I sort of disagree with what Kobe and Meteos are saying about scrims, because I feel like players that limit test in scrims actually help improve the league. If you are playing against someone who is limit testing in scrims you yourself will improve your ability to punish the mistakes they make. If someone is just outright trolling in scrims thats another thing.
Kobe makes a good point on how people are so inconsistent about those org changes. TL is Curse, NRG is CLG, Dig is Clutch objectively based on how the teams transferred. Geng is not Samsung, they just bought the slot and the players, no other team where this happens is considered the “same team” except them lol
No way, that's the third esports I am following that has someone make the "Well GOAT for me is about social impact/what they did for the game" argument because they need to move the goalposts to keep their favorite as the GOAT (or in this case make it so it isn't even a conversation instead of DL being the GOAT, but others maybe being close soon) Glad Azael pushed back against it, he has the same conclusion, but seems to be the only one actually thinking through the question and coming to an answer that way, rather than having an answer immediately and then looking for a way to explain it.
No matter what, if you’re putting things to a vote, popularity will always be a major factor. That’s why (while I understand his point) it’s a very idealistic vision, but it’s not realistic. Perfect dreams situations are good on paper, but in real world scenarios, humans are highly emotional when making decisions. It’s not just with esports, it’s with any voting system, down to elections for the local school class president.
I mean I think doubelift or even bjergsen deserve credit for their impact on the game because of how much they drove the metas for LCS whereas Impact has never really done. He definitely is one of the most consistent players ever though
I personally think the Skarner rework was really successful. Previously he played as a walking Ult bot to lock one enemy down and felt really unimpactful to the game. You could do nothing by yourself. But now, Skarner is actually really fun to play (i only play him in JG). Having unique gank paths is always fun to play as a JG, and being able to build full tank and not feel completely powerless is good. Just tone down the numbers a bit so people stop whinging about him top lane and should be all good imo.
Just ignore his last two splits 😂. I'm not denying his legacy but as someone who started watching in season 10, I couldn't understand for the life of me how this guy is the goat. I get it now after watching a lot of old seasons, but man I can't forget him TPing back to lane as Ashe without buying items during Worlds. Then he flames him team mates in interviews. I know that is a small window of his career and even now I recognize his legacy but as someone who stepped in during that brief period I was so confused.
@@462seb I would never try to argue that he isn't/wasn't extremely flawed XD But the part of him that drove the flaming side is probably the same part that has kept him in the game for 13+ years at this point. I was most invested in LoL/esports from 2013-2018 and then just recently got back into it and still need to catch up on a lot haha.
@@462seb watching more team comms and the co-stream with meteos and sneaky made me realize doublelift was just a good mechanical adc player. his game knowledge and macro seem inferior to other pros, especially the junglers.
@1:21:00 thank you Meteos for pointing out Bwipos behavior. That man’s arrogance knows no bounds. He won 2x lec splits and had a worlds finals appearance. All 3 accomplishments as a rookie in 2018. Hasn’t won a split since. Yet his ego is so massive you’d think he has caps / impact / perkz / doublelifts levels of trophy case.
Here's the thing about bwipo's response in that video: if he had just also memed on himself and inspired, it woulda been fine. But the fact that he got salty about the comment about him, defended inspired, and then shit on busio just means that he was being serious about it and that's' REAL weird in a meme content piece. Just calm down, man. You're here to fuck around and laugh at yourself and your team, not start even more beef in your team. I suspect that FLY is gonna run into the dardoch problem and if they do, I won't be shocked if they don't go to worlds.
I'm not lying I literally bought a KIA car because of LCS & The Dive, I was going to buy Hyundai Tucson instead I ended up buying a brand new 2024 Sorento for the family to move easier in the city and for the awesome cargo space. Thanks KIA!
I think impact is the goat top laner because of his longviety and accolades however I don’t think he is close to goat status. Imo the reason for this is one there have been many splits in impacts career where he wasn’t the best top laner but one of the best. Also his playstyle and his champ pool does not do him any favors as well. He has historically been a role player who frontline and defends his team better than anyone other top laner. That doesn’t mean he can’t carry, but the extent to which he has to carry on teams is so small given the lineups he played with in the past.
I am confused at how TL passes C9 for most wins when they both had 2 wins last week. They have the exact same number of games and wins this split. Did this happen during spring playoffs and is now just being put out?
I think it will be mostly decided by fan base/ viewership. Like I think SR and Immortals are the most likely to get dropped even if NRG end the split below one of them
Yeah immortals best year was.. their first one? Where they went like 17-1 2016 spring and then goofed it in playoffs I think? Then 16-2 summer 2016 (double RR BO3s) and goofed playoffs again. Then 2016 IEM Gyeonggi they actually made it to semifinals? But since then it’s been like perma mental boom lol That roster had Reignover, Huni, Pobelter, WildTurtle…
I sure hope not, but I get what you’re saying just with franchising and having to give up two slots for 2025 region reformatting 😕 My hope would be that we keep 100T & DIG and it’d be IMT & SR that would go.
@@ElReyDeNoche The problem is franchise. Riot can't make them quit. If they don't want to leave, Riot is stuck with them. The best they can do is offer a ton of money to leave and hope others don't take that offer too as they have to offer the same bargain to everyone.
@@arthurmarshall6825 True but I just can't imagine this league being profitable for either of them at this point and they could save money moving to tier 2 with the quality of their teams and gameplay. 100 Thieves and Dig have really good brands and teams people are interested in right now. Hard to imagine them backing out especially with some of them also playing for Saudi money.
@@ElReyDeNoche As Monty said, this is the first year its actually profitable for teams since Riot change how they pay teams. After probably running years with loses, they aren't going to want to cash out now unless they are offered a bucket load of money.
I feel people are expecting C9 to be prime skt or some shit. Bot lane definitely looks better and their macro is way better than spring. Just stop the dumb over aggressive plays and random deaths. These things should be easily fixable.
I would have to say Impact atm isnt the Goat but I think he pretty close to Doublelift. Impacts laning. team fight presence, His sheer ability to outplay when it matters and Even carry if everything fails. Double lift is the Goat atm but his return a few Yrs back was just tragic. They didnt do anything. And He retired shortly after tht. But if impact continues on this track i would say he could be the LCS Goat.
I already wasn’t the biggest Bwipo fan coming into Spring split (just some comments he’d made on his stream didn’t sit right with me), so lowkey glad they gave him the mic and he’s shown his true colors on broadcast 😬
I have nothing against doublelift i've always been a fan...but isn't it ironic meteos explaining what he prefers in a goat to be someone selfless and pushing the team when that couldnt be farther from what doublelift is lol...maybe im on crazy pills.
IMO Doublelift is not really contending with Bjergsen for LCS goat. Doublelift was always a good ADC but there is a reason he only has 1 MVP. He was always good, but his rosters were always GREAT. IMO the GOAT discussion should be about an individual’s impact on his team’s title chances across time, not on team success. Put Sneaky on doublelift’s rosters and most of those teams are still winning tons of titles. Replace Bjergsen with anyone and TSM is a nothing organization with nothing to speak of after season 3.
Man, I'm still frustrated that they gave bjergsen that goat thing or whatever over dlift. Don't get me wrong, I like bjerg, but they have relatively similar careers and dlift just won more titles on more teams. I feel like dlift objectively should have gotten the award. It's not like it really matters, it was just really weird to me.
Impact is definitely the GOAT Top laner, but he’s never been considered the best player in the league (or even top 3 tbh), hard to be the overall goat with that
I mean name a played who's had as much international success as Impact who you consider a goat. He's also come close to winning MVP of the split several times. He's also won the League 6 times, 2 without Doublelift.
"looking at the team without the player and showing how valuable you were" Aren't most of the teams Doublelift leaves immediately better? Leaves CLG, CLG wins LCS with Stixxay, Leaves TSM, TSM wins LCS with Wildturtl Leaves TL, TL goes from 9th to 1st in the regular season with Tactical
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Just want to say there’s nothing wrong with a good long Dive episode. Y’all are doing amazing. 🥂
I love how after all these years Azael has this spark in his eyes because hes so passionate about the game.
That sparkle is his head not his eyes.
@@burritogod59 I agree with both of you
Impact has never lost lane to Emiru to be fair.
So Emiru is the LCS goat. Case closed
It’s alright. Hutch is clutch!
I have never lost lane to faker
what's an emiru? is that some sort of baby emu
@@sterlifyy maybe but DL has def lost lane to emi
kobe's THAT'S ROUGH after talking about doublelift living with travis cracked me up
Cat for Kobe!
Man I just love that Kia sponsors them it makes me think really highly of Kia
do you work for kia?
@@jal-kx6tmyeah that sounds so aus xD
But man I really don’t get car sponsors for games.
I think the sponsors would work way better if players actively used those things.
For example in soccer when players do wear new shoes, fans will buy it xD
But how does team liquid ace the enemy make me want to buy a new car???? XD
@@tinecchi3648 just be glad they give their money to a good cause
I’ve never really cared for sponsorships. But the other day I was strolling through Walmart and saw some Pagoda egg rolls. Bought them and air fried them. Those things slap! I love that LCS introduced me to the Pagoda egg rolls.
@@tinecchi3648 The idea is that if you're looking for a new car, Kia will be on your mind whether that's not or 5 years in the future because you had a positive opinion of them due to LCS ads, even if that opinion isn't fully conscious
Glad Meteos commented on Bwipo's reply to that Tweet on this show
I agree I was so turned off by this. Someone needs to stand up to that guy. If I was bussio I would have gotten in his face for sure for that.
Agreed - bwipo is such a tool
@@hyoketsuenjoyer busio is bad so he needs to be called out
Agree. Its so easy to say yea i fuxked up, looked at my ult and relaxed, mb. No one would hate him. Happens. Even inspired can say i fucked up. If you play it off like ur never wrong it comes off so socially unaware and cocky
@@TheIronMan728and Bwipo has been running it down so maybe he shouldn’t be talking about others
When you guys spoke about the Dig interview, you should of thrown up a clip of it. I know this drives views away from the clip but it makes this show better and I'm sure the audience here would appreciate it
I was glad for the Bwipo portion because the way Bwipo and Inspired talked about Jensen and the mistakes they made during the back end stuff was so delusional so I'm glad Meteos called the nonsense what it was.
I love the dive I didn’t watch it before meteos joined but I’ve watched every episode since
Another hype regular season matchup from the past was TL Doublelift calling TSM boosted and Bjergsen saying "I'm just gonna try and shut him up". TL leaves up reworked Akali and TSM first picks for Bjerg and then he goes 14/1/5. That was a good hype match.
That was like the last of bjergsen lol
This was so hype!!!
I'm pretty excited as an NA fan for worlds. TL has been playing at a consistent high level for the last 4 months and proved they can at least compete internationally at MSI, C9 has the crazy high ceiling if they can figure things out as a team, and whoever comes out on top of the DIG/FLY beef should have some nice momentum coming out of playoffs.
Corejj end of game 2 against SR: “we got bored” 😂
Bought 3 Kia in honor of being there 2 minutes after the upload time
Can I have one?
Is one of them a manual? Ill take that one off your hands for you
Only three? I'm 22 hours after the upload time so I bought 23.
Travis catchin strays
Agree with Azael, following doesn’t mean shit in the GOAT conversation. It’s all about performance, consistency, and the you influence/change the game.
The audio is better this week! thank you!
Congratulation Meteos on your 19th episode. LCS is just full of funky stats huh
Meteos the content goat. Great takes, great humour, great vibes!
So glad that good people also int a bit for the HS procs 😂 not just me. I just love the bonks. 😂
YES!
I cannot fathom how 2/3 people really said that social status has even a shred of significance when it comes to the GOAT conversation.
“Mahomes > Brady, you see his twitter following?”
You're saying what Azael is saying, and it's not what Kobe and Meteos are saying. It's not that social status is everything, but it does matter a little bit. All else being equal or close to equal, a player's impact on the scene can be the deciding factor.
Cant wait to watch LCS Sat and Sun, totally not Thursday Friday. Jokes aside I am rooting for Dig this season. 100% would love to see Dig and TL at worlds. I agree, they just have that vibe about them that makes it hard to root against them. Also I really want dig to do well, since we are losing two more orgs would be a shame imo to lose dig. Shoppify hasnt done enough and IMT feels like they are just happy they cant finish 10th.
I’m so excited for dig fly because of the drama but a huge huge reason is cause it’s best of 3!! It makes these tense moments more tense and exciting. I hope it’s a banger and that dig comes out on top, go Zven!
Just need to add...GAWD DAMN Kobe is filling out that shirt XD Kobe Beef...cake!
14:20 Literally the Hall of Legends stated that "IMPACT" was a core pillar of the Hall of Legends.
Goat topic - if we look at, as an example - Ali being the goat of boxing... did he have the best W/L rating? no, but he was great & revolutionized the sport with his own style & energy. He also did a lot for his people and was idolized for what he stood for.
If we take that type of ideology to League of Legends. Doublelift came the closest to winning a tournament with the major regions (MSI) He was the UZI of NA, but he fell short at Worlds every time. I think he had the advantage of being one of the early big names. His spicy comments, made him polarizing, & has a highlight reel of huge plays in clutch moments. With all things considered. Strictly bringing it back to NA, with the number of titles under his belt & everything I mentioned above, I think he does stand the tallest in the goat conversation.
I'm by no means comparing Ali to Doublelift, but I'm basing my take, off on how I perceive public view on Goat's status. This is also my opinion and not fact.
If the staff is invested in the interviews and stuff, lets get a staff Q&A segment with a couple players! Could have a camera angle to catch staff reactions. Would be funny to get some troll or drama bait questions from them.
Holy shit we got an ad, so happy they are getting investment for this!!
edit: Thanks Kia!!!
I bought 10 kias after seeing this commercial
Love this podcast.
Love The Dive. You guys are great
I think GOAT discussion should be specific to role considering how much more of a team game league is. Impact is indubitably the GOAT of NA top laners.
Indubitably! Great word.
I kind of disagree with Azael about social reach not being part of a GOAT conversation. Michael Jordan doesn't win in every statistical category ever, whether it's total championships, points scored, or shooting percentage. But his impact on the sport at large is undeniably the largest of any player in its history, so having great statistics and great career moments on top of that make it hard to argue against him as the best. It will be hard to top Doublelift in that regards, and I say that as a person who generally doesn't like him at all.
Jordan might not be the literal top in every statistical category, but the conglomerate of his stats still make him the greatest player of all time regardless of his social impact. If there is a stat that exists, Jordan likely is near the top or number one.
but working with doublelift and i have, always felt about howing to lose less, rather than win more
Big fan of Kia sponsorship. I had to admit to my wife that I heard about the car I'm pitching we buy from the LCS.
For the goat debate, it really is a matter of "Aura" and Mentality.
Its really the Kobe vs Duncan debate.
Impact is my LCS goat all time
Erm actually this is meteos actual 20th episode because he did one 4 years ago in season 7
Meteos on the dive is auto winning draft. Staple that boi to the chair for good.
Doublelift is definitely the GOAT. After the tragedy that happened to his family in 2018 Spring the week before Finals, he was still able to hold strong and win the series for his team when any other person would have been mourning. He is LCS!! 🐐 X
People forget about that. They also don't give him enough credit for it. He performed like a champ under unimaginable sorrow
@joshpointoh It's one of the reasons I've always thought he was the GOAT, not even because of all the championships and highlight plays, but the strength it took to show up on stage and perform when something so undeniably horrific had happened to his family.
Also, pretty sure production is LOVING FQ playing up being the heels of the league 😅
Please keep the long episodes!!
Man I want Dig to win so badly! Let's go old coots 😂
Meteos having a good hair day, Azael too
The problem with 100T is meech is not upto zven or Yeon . One of things they relied on was senna last split but the same recipe wont work this patch. Its going to be easy for other teams to just mark Quid and River as they are the playmakers.
I may be in the minority, so take this in context with other feedback you get:
I love the dive, been listening since the beginning. Sometimes I just have to skip a few minutes when 'discussions' verge on arguing. The difference socials makes on GOAT discussion did it for me this time. Doesn't bother me when there is disagreement... But like each give an opinion, mayyyybe one 'rebuttal' each and then just move on. It starts to feel too much like I'm listening to an ego need for approval on your opinion. I'm sure that's not really it, you guys are all awesome and friendly and all, but it's just not enjoyable to listen when the disagreement is belabored over too long.
Hope this came off and constructive feedback, keep up the great content! Much ❤ Azael, Kobe, and Metoes!
I hate the narrative has shifted so much since when they were playing. Bjergsen was always the goat for most people when they were both playing. He dominated NA for so long and got international recognition equal to DL. DL had much better teams when they were apart facing off, playing with people like Impact and CoreJJ. But now that Bjerg retired everyone is just looking at DL still soaking in the limelight and forgetting the real GOAT was always Bjergsen
I love Azael so much man. I love him i wish he never retired and keep being part of casting and desk.
I love his sense of humor is just the best. He always make me laugh with this mockery comments out of nowhere. I'm always laughing so hard during his casting and Dive episodes.
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Ty for the great content, this split is going GREAT!
I am going to buy a new car and I think I want a Kia because they sponsor the LCS
I sort of disagree with what Kobe and Meteos are saying about scrims, because I feel like players that limit test in scrims actually help improve the league. If you are playing against someone who is limit testing in scrims you yourself will improve your ability to punish the mistakes they make. If someone is just outright trolling in scrims thats another thing.
Kobe makes a good point on how people are so inconsistent about those org changes. TL is Curse, NRG is CLG, Dig is Clutch objectively based on how the teams transferred. Geng is not Samsung, they just bought the slot and the players, no other team where this happens is considered the “same team” except them lol
No way, that's the third esports I am following that has someone make the "Well GOAT for me is about social impact/what they did for the game" argument because they need to move the goalposts to keep their favorite as the GOAT (or in this case make it so it isn't even a conversation instead of DL being the GOAT, but others maybe being close soon)
Glad Azael pushed back against it, he has the same conclusion, but seems to be the only one actually thinking through the question and coming to an answer that way, rather than having an answer immediately and then looking for a way to explain it.
No matter what, if you’re putting things to a vote, popularity will always be a major factor. That’s why (while I understand his point) it’s a very idealistic vision, but it’s not realistic. Perfect dreams situations are good on paper, but in real world scenarios, humans are highly emotional when making decisions. It’s not just with esports, it’s with any voting system, down to elections for the local school class president.
I mean I think doubelift or even bjergsen deserve credit for their impact on the game because of how much they drove the metas for LCS whereas Impact has never really done. He definitely is one of the most consistent players ever though
I personally think the Skarner rework was really successful. Previously he played as a walking Ult bot to lock one enemy down and felt really unimpactful to the game. You could do nothing by yourself. But now, Skarner is actually really fun to play (i only play him in JG). Having unique gank paths is always fun to play as a JG, and being able to build full tank and not feel completely powerless is good. Just tone down the numbers a bit so people stop whinging about him top lane and should be all good imo.
If I wasn't hype for DIG v FLY before I certainly am now
There is just a ad inThe middle of the vid?😂
Make skarner w radius scale with level, and fix the misreadable and wonky hitboxes
They need to play each team twice in best of 3s per split
Not only did Doublelift have the absolute best arc in all of LCS history, he still lives and breathes LoL. The absolute GOAT of NA.
Just ignore his last two splits 😂. I'm not denying his legacy but as someone who started watching in season 10, I couldn't understand for the life of me how this guy is the goat. I get it now after watching a lot of old seasons, but man I can't forget him TPing back to lane as Ashe without buying items during Worlds. Then he flames him team mates in interviews. I know that is a small window of his career and even now I recognize his legacy but as someone who stepped in during that brief period I was so confused.
Impact is my goat.
@@462seb I would never try to argue that he isn't/wasn't extremely flawed XD But the part of him that drove the flaming side is probably the same part that has kept him in the game for 13+ years at this point. I was most invested in LoL/esports from 2013-2018 and then just recently got back into it and still need to catch up on a lot haha.
@@462seb GOAT stands for Greatest of all Time, he is not the GOLTS (Goat of last two splits)
@@462seb watching more team comms and the co-stream with meteos and sneaky made me realize doublelift was just a good mechanical adc player. his game knowledge and macro seem inferior to other pros, especially the junglers.
@1:21:00 thank you Meteos for pointing out Bwipos behavior. That man’s arrogance knows no bounds.
He won 2x lec splits and had a worlds finals appearance. All 3 accomplishments as a rookie in 2018. Hasn’t won a split since.
Yet his ego is so massive you’d think he has caps / impact / perkz / doublelifts levels of trophy case.
Here's the thing about bwipo's response in that video: if he had just also memed on himself and inspired, it woulda been fine. But the fact that he got salty about the comment about him, defended inspired, and then shit on busio just means that he was being serious about it and that's' REAL weird in a meme content piece. Just calm down, man. You're here to fuck around and laugh at yourself and your team, not start even more beef in your team. I suspect that FLY is gonna run into the dardoch problem and if they do, I won't be shocked if they don't go to worlds.
YESSSS LONG DIVE TODAY
Doulbelift was just the face of LCS
Bro you're funny af had me lol. RUclips thanks for this recommendation yall did something right this time
Busio's only bad game this split was his Alistar game against NRG....
KIA is the real goat
Impact is my GOAT!
I'm not lying I literally bought a KIA car because of LCS & The Dive, I was going to buy Hyundai Tucson instead I ended up buying a brand new 2024 Sorento for the family to move easier in the city and for the awesome cargo space. Thanks KIA!
2 hr video im feastin today
I think impact is the goat top laner because of his longviety and accolades however I don’t think he is close to goat status. Imo the reason for this is one there have been many splits in impacts career where he wasn’t the best top laner but one of the best. Also his playstyle and his champ pool does not do him any favors as well. He has historically been a role player who frontline and defends his team better than anyone other top laner. That doesn’t mean he can’t carry, but the extent to which he has to carry on teams is so small given the lineups he played with in the past.
I am confused at how TL passes C9 for most wins when they both had 2 wins last week. They have the exact same number of games and wins this split. Did this happen during spring playoffs and is now just being put out?
I think they meant wins all time.
@@benwilson5460 Yes, but all time both organizations got 2 wins this week. How did one organization pass the other?
Azael corrected himself right after saying most games played of all time
@@bonaire1880 Same thing applies. They played the same number of games.
@@NYCFenrirIt's all time not just this split
another dive another day of agreeing with azael
ITS BACK BBY
I don’t think it would be good for NA if the goat is/was an import.
Can we please get rid of Immortals and Shopify next year? Immortals has sucked since joining the league.
I think it will be mostly decided by fan base/ viewership. Like I think SR and Immortals are the most likely to get dropped even if NRG end the split below one of them
Yeah immortals best year was.. their first one? Where they went like 17-1 2016 spring and then goofed it in playoffs I think? Then 16-2 summer 2016 (double RR BO3s) and goofed playoffs again. Then 2016 IEM Gyeonggi they actually made it to semifinals? But since then it’s been like perma mental boom lol
That roster had Reignover, Huni, Pobelter, WildTurtle…
I put DIG as my #2 team
1 Chess Grand Master vs. 10 LCS Pros
You know what's tragic, we're probably losing either this splits DIG roster or this splits 100T roster at the end of the year.
I sure hope not, but I get what you’re saying just with franchising and having to give up two slots for 2025 region reformatting 😕
My hope would be that we keep 100T & DIG and it’d be IMT & SR that would go.
Nah gotta be shopify and IMT getting kicked and I can't see any of them getting picked up in the northern conference to boot.
@@ElReyDeNoche The problem is franchise. Riot can't make them quit. If they don't want to leave, Riot is stuck with them. The best they can do is offer a ton of money to leave and hope others don't take that offer too as they have to offer the same bargain to everyone.
@@arthurmarshall6825 True but I just can't imagine this league being profitable for either of them at this point and they could save money moving to tier 2 with the quality of their teams and gameplay. 100 Thieves and Dig have really good brands and teams people are interested in right now. Hard to imagine them backing out especially with some of them also playing for Saudi money.
@@ElReyDeNoche As Monty said, this is the first year its actually profitable for teams since Riot change how they pay teams. After probably running years with loses, they aren't going to want to cash out now unless they are offered a bucket load of money.
I feel people are expecting C9 to be prime skt or some shit. Bot lane definitely looks better and their macro is way better than spring. Just stop the dumb over aggressive plays and random deaths. These things should be easily fixable.
Lol. Sounds like Impact is the Bill Russell of LCS. A bunch of wins and great player but so much of a team player it doesn't look like "the greatest".
Nice
Shoooooo, Shooooooo, Shoooooo DIG SEASONNNNNNNNNNN
I would have to say Impact atm isnt the Goat but I think he pretty close to Doublelift. Impacts laning. team fight presence, His sheer ability to outplay when it matters and Even carry if everything fails. Double lift is the Goat atm but his return a few Yrs back was just tragic. They didnt do anything. And He retired shortly after tht. But if impact continues on this track i would say he could be the LCS Goat.
I will not tolerate this blatant disrespect for Bjergsen. Bjergsen is the goat 100%. Doublelift being the LCS goat is ridiculous.
I already wasn’t the biggest Bwipo fan coming into Spring split (just some comments he’d made on his stream didn’t sit right with me), so lowkey glad they gave him the mic and he’s shown his true colors on broadcast 😬
Wait what did he say?
I have nothing against doublelift i've always been a fan...but isn't it ironic meteos explaining what he prefers in a goat to be someone selfless and pushing the team when that couldnt be farther from what doublelift is lol...maybe im on crazy pills.
IMO Doublelift is not really contending with Bjergsen for LCS goat. Doublelift was always a good ADC but there is a reason he only has 1 MVP. He was always good, but his rosters were always GREAT.
IMO the GOAT discussion should be about an individual’s impact on his team’s title chances across time, not on team success. Put Sneaky on doublelift’s rosters and most of those teams are still winning tons of titles. Replace Bjergsen with anyone and TSM is a nothing organization with nothing to speak of after season 3.
@@ethangilworth7891 i agree if the player in question could be on any team and produce wins they should be in the talk.
When will C9 take berserker off of senna holy hell, they are chaining the DOG
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Man, I'm still frustrated that they gave bjergsen that goat thing or whatever over dlift. Don't get me wrong, I like bjerg, but they have relatively similar careers and dlift just won more titles on more teams. I feel like dlift objectively should have gotten the award. It's not like it really matters, it was just really weird to me.
LCS NEEDS FEARLESS DRAFT
Down the line? Impact the GOAT. Period. Stop being biased Meteos
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Impact is definitely the GOAT Top laner, but he’s never been considered the best player in the league (or even top 3 tbh), hard to be the overall goat with that
Maybe he wasn't considered, but he was.
"Being considered" is such a subjective metric though... Like, according to who? To you?
I mean name a played who's had as much international success as Impact who you consider a goat. He's also come close to winning MVP of the split several times. He's also won the League 6 times, 2 without Doublelift.
@@SuperAllelujah but like, international success is irrelevant here
@@himynameismike "irrelevant" with a mindset like that no wonder NA never performs
"looking at the team without the player and showing how valuable you were"
Aren't most of the teams Doublelift leaves immediately better?
Leaves CLG, CLG wins LCS with Stixxay,
Leaves TSM, TSM wins LCS with Wildturtl
Leaves TL, TL goes from 9th to 1st in the regular season with Tactical
PHREAK SZN
Why does no one mention impact is a WORLD CHAMPION
They do, but he wasn't an NA player at the time so it counts toward him being a great player but not toward being the NA GOAT.
cool
More Caitlin Clark Content please!!!!!
CAN SOMEONE FIX HIS DAMN COLLAR?!?!?!
I’m glad I’m not the only one 😅
Can’t unsee it now..
June 29th update: DIG was not better than FLY and they were delusional. xD