Building the Ultimate Mopar 440 for UFC's Dana White - HorsePower S12, E3
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Mopar's 440 is a legend of its time, the late 60's and early 70's. The one we build goes into a 1970 Barracuda as a tribute to the Ultimate Fighter Championship. Working with MuscleCar, we'll deliver a good old classic with some new-age technology.
PARTS USED IN THIS EPISODE:
ARP: Rod bolt kit, head bolt kit, 12 pt accessory kit, flywheel bolts, flexplate bolts, torque convertor bolts for aftermarket and stock convertors.
Crane Cams: Aluminum roller tip rocker arm kit 1.5 ratio.
Crane Cams: Dual valve spring assembly, pushrods, timing set, hydraulic roller lifters, aluminum cam button spacer, hydraulic roller cam.
Dake: Arbor Press.
Eagle Specialty Products: "ESP" 4340 forged crankshaft.
Eagle Specialty Products: Chevy 572 rotating assembly, 4340 crank, "SRP" forged aluminum dome pistons, 6.7 rods, balanced and ESP armor coated.
Edelbrock: BB Chrysler open chamber aluminum cylinder heads.
Edelbrock: CH-6B aluminum intake manifold.
Edelbrock: Edelbrock/Musi Victor 24 deg. CNC ported BBC heads.
Edelbrock: Polished aluminum water pump.
Edelbrock: Super Victor CNC machined BBC intake for 4500 Series carb.
Federal-Mogul Corporation: Main bearings, rod bearings, .030 pistons, piston rings, freeze plug set, connecting rods.
Federal-Mogul Corporation: Oil pump pickup.
Federal-Mogul Corporation: Performance R.A.C.E set, intake manifold set, head gaskets, exhaust header gaskets, oil pan gasket, valve cover gaskets.
Holley: Hooker Super Competition headers 1.75" primary 3.5" collector ceramic coated.
Holley: Three 2300 style carbs, consists of two end carbs and one center carb.
Jesel Inc.: Comp Series shaft mount rocker arms.
Loctite: Blue Loctite Threadlocking Compound, Retaining Compound, RTV Silicone.
Lunati: Solid Roller; Rough idle. Good cam for 496 & ┬А┬У572 cubic inch motors with dominator style carburetors. Needs 5500 RPM stall converter or better, headers, 12.5:1 compression ratio or better and and 5.13 gearing. Works well with nitrous or in a blown application! 3/8" PUSHRODS, (+) .300 taller mechanical roller lifters.
Made For You Products: Spark plug wire seperators.
Moroso: BBC electric water pump and outlet for 1.75 hose.
Moroso: Painted oil pan and pump.
MSD Ignition: Pro-Billet Distributor, Super Conductor spark plug wires.
O'Reilly Auto Parts: Dupli-Color engine paint.
Powermaster: Chrome Chrysler 75 amp alternator.
Quick Fuel Technology Inc.: 1250 CFM Drag carb 4500 Series.
Race Pumps LLC: Mechanical fuel pump and regulator.
Stef's Performance Products Inc.: Aluminum fabricated oil pan wet sump internal pump, high volume oil pump and pickup.
Summit Racing: Air cleaner assembly, throttle linkage kit, throttle cable, fuel line kit, and choke assembly.
Summit Racing: ATI Balancer.
Summit Racing: Cloyes quick adjust timing set.
Summit Racing: March Performance Serpentine pulley set.
Summit Racing: Mopar Performance valve covers, twist in breather, timing cover, aluminum water pump housing, intermediate shaft.
Summit Racing: Retainers, bronze distributor gear.
VP Racing Fuels: 110 octane racing fuel.
WD-40: Multi-Purpose Penetrant and Lubricants.
World Products: Merlin III engine block 4.560 bore with splayed billet main caps. 
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Shit a top end 440 kit from Hughes engines is a little over 2600. That kit makes 540 horse and 560 torque.
Finally a Big block Mopar for once
Yeah too bad they built a pig. They made 390hp factory rating but I've seen stock builds on dyno make 420. They had headers roller cam and newer heavier than stock pistons and made 5 more hp. Kinda bummer they painted it black too.
@@johnpino5150 i never understood how they manage to spend that much money in engines and every build is underpowered af
Ive seen countless 440s doing one horse per cubic inch without all the fancy shit they bought here
@@bigboreracing356 My 440 (505ci) makes 675hp and 715lbft on 94 octane. Runs 10.20s on radials in a Road Runner with complete interior. They are really good engines when you know what you are doing.
@@bigboreracing356 small block ford's lifter valley would turn into the marianas trench.
Ultimate 440??? Where? I saw a mild 440 6 pack rebuild....
That s what I'm sayin. How do you throw that much money at it and make such...easy numbers.
And some rod ends that were way overheated.
@@dachine86 No doubt, these guys are tractor mechanics. "Ultimate 440" needs a billet crank & some H-beam rods (floating pins) I noticed when they installed oil pump there was no O ring on shaft. I would have put on some victor or indy heads with a big Engle or Crower solid cam. No six pack, just a single victor with a massaged 850. I'm guessing Dana White wont know the difference.
I have to agree, this is by no means an ultimate 440 build because in my opinion it was only freshened up with new bearings a very mild cam and a few bolt on parts to achieve those numbers. This engine is easily capable of much higher numbers.
Uncle Tony could beat that one with used junkyard parts, the right cam, and a thermoquad topping it off🙄
Finally some Mopar stuff
Watching Joe shove a cam into a block hurts every time
Only when he doesn't give a shit
Might as well install it with a 12lb sledge! They install every cam the same way!
Hes a real craftsmen
Jesus Christ your not kidding
That's how people who "know" get their own show ...
At less than 1 hp per cubic inch I would rethink the title of the video.
Yeah...... they should have at least lied to us lol I feel like it would be pretty hard not to get one hp per C.I.
For some reason that I'll never understand, they didnt build for power. I was so annoyed throughout the whole video that they were using stock rods, then I saw the power output and then I understood.
@@baby-sharkgto4902 nothing wrong with stock mopar rods... but agreed - not sure why they didn't actually build a performance engine - this was basically a stock rebuild.
@@BBCharger5spd and doing a stock rebuild i've seen some guys make a ton more power...
I didn’t pay attention as to whether the stock rods were LY or 6-pack, but either one would be fine up to 500 HP, especially the LY (the 6-pack is pig heavy). What I don’t get is buying a new crank and going cast. Or running a roller cam and only making barely over stock power! These things will make an honest 375 with cast iron exhaust manifolds, single 750, dual plane iron intake and the 1963-ish dual-pattern hydraulic flat tappet cam they used in all the performance big blocks (except the Hemi) until the early 70s.
@Lassi Kinnunen while its true they have brought in some personalities like CM Punk, the best fighters in the world are in the UFC.
The one time we get a Mopar episode and they have to end it with chevy stuff.
With sooo much more HP!
Just ending it with something good.
Reason for it 😂
Because so many with no taste like Generic Motors....
They rarely release Mopar stuff. It's always Chevy and Ford. Bruh.
A great way to cause connecting rod failure is to torch it until it is cherry red. 7:22
Lol it would help if they used 6 pack rods on a six pack build too haha
They have to heat a rod like that to get the pin in though. That torch was a little much but its gonna go through heat cycles anyway. Heating it evenly is the key
@Benny Boy WRONG, the rod never sees heat cycles like that in the engine. You heat it just enough to assemble it, not red hot or leaving heat marks all over it. Preferably done in a timed rod heater so that doesn't happen, but you'd have to know what you are doing for that. Only the small end gets heated.
Nicks Garage here on RUclips, had a 440+6 make 450+hp 530 ft lbs
Nick's (Nick) built a pretty sweet 600hp 440 using Trick Flow heads in one episode. These two guys are a disappointment. (Disaster)
@@davidjenson8124 it’s what younger for “reality” tv... BUNCH OF BULLSHIT! This show and others were great when I was 13... I’m now 31. 🤦🏻♂️ these shows ruin car guys before they are car guys... lotta bullshit going on here
THE BEST
NICKS
And he did it with a less expensive flat tappet cam.
1970 440 6 pack was rated at 390 HP, so 35 HP is not much over stock Pretty sad build.
It was factory rated for 390HP but was actually closer to 330HP. That said, their dyno pull was without the power steering pump, torque converter and cooling fan. And they used some very generous headers with very short and straight pipes to the mufflers. That engine will easily lose 75-100HP after its installed into a car body and a real world restrictive exhaust system and all of its parasitic parts attached. It also appears like they used a mild cam so its no surprise to see them producing OEM stock numbers on the dyno.
With the aftermarket heads, you would expect more from it, but such a crappy build, that's probably about right.
Building "ultimate" generally doesn't happen by reusing a lot of stock parts....
They only reused the rods. I mean the engine was a pig, but it used a whole catalog of aftermarket parts.
They are not mopar guys. They don't give shit
@@1967davethewave that Crank that they had ordered is it more expensive than new rods
Im a simple man, i see mopar i click.
Not gonna lie. I laughed pretty hard when he came out of the shop on the lawn tractor.
He said when honing the crank end of the rod, that it was "still too big, so I have to go .007" more. What??
The crank journal was still too big for that rod to go on. Better?
Amish Mike is a great engine block painter, a true Picasso with a rattle can
The factory rated 440 Six Pack at 390 horsepower and 490 lb-ft. in 1969. Fun to watch. Thanks
That cam and manifold setup killed the power. That build was easily capable of 525-550 hp and close to that in torque with those heads.
I think bigger carbs alone could've made more power, plus a cam would've put it all in the 500s. I don't think that manifold is hurting it that much, it has plenty of rpm for that motor
Spins up a 440 cast crank without the appropriate harmonic and flexplate and wonders why it won't balance...SMH
Then there's the heating up the pin end of the rods cherry red with a cutting torch to get the pistons on......YIKES!!!!!!
They balanced the rods and crank supposedly they said they found the litest rod then ground the rest of the rods to match then they did the crank but the machine shop seemed hokey for sure I'm sure most could do better for much cheaper this engine is kinda weak and pathetic for sure
That same guy did the same thing to a 283 they built, the video is on here. Heated the small end red hot. They need to be just turning blue. They lose all theyr strength getting them that hot.
These guys are all
Hacks. No torque plates when boring as all of the above mentions equals a backyard build for sure.
Surprised they used a torque wrench.
424hp....with aluminum heads....dulcich got that with a stock comp motorhome 440 with stock iron heads....
Frigglebiscuit: they threw it together & screwed up somewhere, that 440 was at least 100 hp short with that roller cam & Eddy heads... for real, I made more power than that with a set of ported 516’s... they’re proud when they should be embarrassed
Doin the math... my lobuck .030 over 440 made more power!! Hand ported 452s milled .045 with steel shim gaskets for compression cuz i couldnt afford pistons. Mopar 484 cam adv 3 degrees and M1 intake with 750 Edelbrock. MSD 6AL. Hooked to home built 727(machined gov weight, tossed the accumulator spring, maxed line pressure), it took a 68 Dart to consistent 12.0s and best of 11.57, was daily driven for years...
You knew it wasnt going to be impressive when he made the statement before telling us what the numbers are. Should have sent it to Nicks garage. Kind of hilarious that they then tell us "hey if your ready for some real power check out the BBChevy"...I see what you did there.
I haven't seen any big horsepower numbers out of anything built by Nick's garage
@@HoosierRooster Ive seen plenty of what I would call expected numbers out of Nicks garage. Most of his stuff is a best bang for you buck low maintenance simi stock type of deal. At least he doesn't build a 440 with less HP than he started with lol, my stock bottom end, iron head 440 puts out more than this thrown together garbage. They would have been better off with a motor home 440 and aftermarket carb for $800 LOL
Especially when they were comparing it to a '72. Everybody knows that after 71 they detuned the Jesus out of motors. They probably also know that the rated hp numbers were intentionally low for most of the muscle car era.
I agree, they did something wrong.
1972 440-6 cars were extremely rare, only a few were actually built.
Don't look at a muscle car magazine, you would swear every mopar had a high compression hemi or 440.
440 6 from the factory?? in what cars??
Awesome 👍 job guys,....I appreciate all your Tips and video's keep up the great build .
The interlacing in the editing sure is jacked up. Everything is zig zag
Never trust a machinist who calls a cheap 6" caliper a micrometer. 🙄
Yeah, I was shaking my head too.
Ya, I thought the same thing! Pretty ridiculous
They call that a "guessing stick"
are you sure they put in all eight pistons?
Way to eff it up like usual
I agree. I watch alot of their videos. And half the time im like they only got how much, for the amount of money they throw at these motors. One i watched they put a blower on a 350 annd got lime 525 hp. I think it should have got alot more than that for the money.
@@dustinwegner853 makes no sense half the time. I’ve seen similar builds to what they do put down some badass numbers.
I’ve been waiting for a big block Mopar engine rebuild glad I got to watch it.
"Looks good but we'll check it with a micrometer to make sure"
*grabs calipers...
Ya, thought the same thing! Idiots
If this is the ultimate 440 build we're all in trouble using 50-year-old connecting rods heating up connecting rods wow 😳
I've been running mopars for 50 years never seen anything like this
That lawnmower gag was great. Actually laughed out loud.
You had me at mopar
Awesome a big block now ditch the hydraulic lifters put a set of solid rollers on that cam with tight lash and let see 7000 rpm where its meant to run and put a m1 intake make some real power! Thanks for the r/b mopar video build
I'm no engine building master by any means, but heating up the end of the connecting rod till its red hot, seems like a recipe for weakened metal.
No torque plate on that block when he bores???
I guessed 410/510 pretty close. Accept for the fansky accessories, that's a great low buck rebuild.
That mopar has a chevy cowl hood on it!🤔
Looks dumb as hell
@@bigboreracing356 the cowl hood is a shevy hood.
@@bigboreracing356 So if they put an aftermarket set of Corvette Rally wheels would you still argue that they weren't Chevy stuff? I'm a brand loyal guy and a cowl hood is a 1st gen Camaro trade mark no matter how you argue it.
@@bigboreracing356 at least the shaker hoods worked and gave the engine cool air....
Well, that cast crank did it for me.
It won't matter, it didn't make enough power to break it. I'd be more worried about the way they heated the rods to assemble them .... SMH....
400 cu in mopar block with a set of steel ported 383 heads with a steel crank balanced. 425 hp.
love mopars
I miss Joe Elmore. Bring him back for a visit.
With Dana White's budget I can't imagine why you would do an anemic build like that. A 650 HP mild stroker 440 is easy to build and every bit as tractable as the original. 572 EFI Indy Max comes to mind!
clearly he gave them hid budget and it wasnt that much. they bought a used block and used the old internals well tried to use most of them. just cuz people have money dont mean they spend like you think. he probably not a car guy just wanted an old school and for it to have a solid engine in it
Less than 1hp/c.i. wonderful!
Crazy build guys
No it wasn't. For a 440ci build, this was beyond sad. With the right balance of parts, they should have made an easy 500hp. I've built 500hp 440s with ported stock heads, a good cam, intake, carb, headers, and never had to go over 11:1 compression.
Lost me when I found he didn't know the difference between a Micrometer and a Vernier caliper!!
Perhaps you should re-check your post...:D
I appreciate these guys finally building a big block Mopar but have you ever seen that show called (Botched)
I have a 440 and one advantage of most stock V8 Mopars is the shaft rockers, they are more stable and take more horses. Chevys have pressed in studs on the rockers. The complaints about saying he was going to check the crank with mics and then picking up calipers for a rough measurement are unfounded since @ 7:48 or so he uses mics to check the crank pin OD. Also scratching the cam bearings isn't really serious since the engine fired and they used lube.
Reported for click bait. This thing should be making over 1000hp being called ultimate
A cam button on a 440? Come on Chevy guys.
Buddy best engine builder
I’m shocked and appalled at the process buddy used to assemble the press fit rods. Of course it’s ok to ..SLIGHTLY ..heat the pin ends to expand the steel..but turning them red is a sign of doom and truly only a axe murder would do that
Ultimate? Cast crank, stock rods, and performer heads? It only made 425 hp, hardly ultimate.
Who's out hunting motor homes? Have fun! Also, the way the rod end was heated, that seems wrong.
I thought you were building the "ultimate " 440.?. What happened? ...
Ultimate for Dana white
They decided to do a almost stock one.
@@bulta209 considering Nick panaritis gets nearly 420 hp from a factory spec 440 six pack (iron heads & stock cam) they must have a very small duration roller & are not taking advantage of the flow of the heads & induction
@@Moparmaga-1 Nick's Garage is awesome, that guy knows how to build engines
he didnt pay for that clearly. the tried to reuse all stock and a old beat up block.
My old man used to say...."could always use a fresh set of main bearings"
cant beat the sound of those big blocks...
Screwed up a nice Mopar with a GM hood scoop. What's next? Painting the firewall black?
You did not show gaping the rings , a very important part.
That engine made 390 horsepower with cast iron manifolds, now Dana needs to take it to someone who knows mopar's
Is that a 50cal in the back chillin!? Lol
Say "Duh Bears" please Buddy 😂
Beats the hell outa the cam on the sides putting it in sheesh .guessing if you can't touch the bottom beat the hell outa the sides
That's me on the mower 😂
Man! I'm usually pretty close on hp numbers for a given combo. I missed this one by a long ways. LOL. I had 500hp predicted. My bad
That 440 sounds like a marching Spartan army to thermopolae.
Original horsepower was 390HP and 490Tq, same torque as the Hemi! Google it :D
In 1971 the 440-6 was rated at 385 hp. Further, in 1972 horsepower was rated net rather than gross. Factory literature stated the 440-6 made 330 net hp. Google it :D
@@SolamenteVees net loses 20 percent roughly on gross hp figures .....google it
usually they jet the carbs and tweak the timing, etc.. 425hp at what rpm? 500ft.lbs of torque at what rpm?
425hp at 5000 rpm and 502 ftlbs of torgue at 4000 rpm
Yeah, something was wrong. That engine with those heads and a roller cam should have made 500hp easy. Very disappointing video.
I'd love to see it retro, grind off the names and bead blast exposed surfaces on heads and intake. Painful everything OEM. I've done it on classics but I've never seen anyone else do it looks amazing. When you beat your buddies car can say shes stock gas and oil.
Fist or five? How about 100 more hp, then a solid handshake.
Mike Galley driving a vehicle , Would be like Dale Earnhardt JR
I've never built an engine before but enjoy watching these shows. It seems the cam takes a lot of dinging on what has to be precision ground surfaces during installation. I always see the crank go in before the cam. Could the cam be installed first thus allowing room to reach in a guide it through the bearings without all the dinging, then install the crank?
Nevevmind it, it's part of the process. Furthermore the cam only rotates at half the speed of the crankshaft. So they rotate very slowly. With that said, the last engine I built, I flipped the block so that cam tunnel was vertical and then I simply lowered the cam in to the block. It was the easiest cam insertion I have ever done and i can't believe that I ever did it any other way. Now I will always do it the vertical way when possible.
I love how they use the gear to install it. A very old trick is use the rod that holds your spare tire on its the same thread. I have one i keep in my toolbox all cleaned and painted. It gives a nice handle on the cam ... but you can place cam in first if you want. I also start with crank. Then pistons. Then cam with lifters then heads with accessories.
Outboards probably didn't open or weren't jetted correctly, that should've made at least 475.
I’ll be interested to know what you guys think of that filler they use called “rokblock” or the other one made by Malossi..... where they pour it into the water galleries up to the core plugs for street and track..?
A lot of people do stuff like that. Some guys even use concrete! It definitely makes the block stronger. Mostly reserved for very high horsepower, stock blocks with a power adder.
did i see like 3 or 4 different types of bolts for the mains?
Ya! I saw that too! Unbelievable.
Impressive!! Great show!
anyone else notice a lot more weird word choices? like mike said the heads have 1 piece stainless valves, joe said the cam has balanced specs on input and exhaust, not to mention him banging the cam around.
Screwed it up with that Chevy style hood
I bet they rattle-can the engine compartment flat black too. You can always tell when a Mopar has been through Chevy hands
Um...10 1/2:1 comp ratio, Edels that flow 291 cfm, roller cam, 1350 cfm available carburetion, free-flowing headers, and 424 hp???? Sooo, the cam was a puss cam which is why you didn't say the specs...try this, the same setup but with a roller 236/240 @.050 and .560" with a LSA of 110 Try 34 degrees to start, horsepower 510, torques 525 . You didn't even mention any attempted timing/jetting changes or did you just warm it run it crate it that's it ?
he didnt pay for that clearly. the tried to reuse all stock and a old beat up block.
Can even go way more cam than that
@@davidjenson8124 true but that duration will pull to a safe 6300-6400 and still give 10-11 inches of vacuum at 900
@@bigboreracing356 no doubt the canted Chevys even ovals make great power and have balanced flow and great valve size . I've seen guys with AMC 401's and Clevelands port the stock heads, run torkers, decent cams and make great power too ..it's the heads
@@bigboreracing356 noow talk about all the aftermarket parts you have to swap to to get there without grenading your chevy :)
When he pulled out calipers
Hey Bro when you guys gonna make a video on 4.6L 2 v Ford single overhead , mustang 97 to 2003
I hope you guys don't insert everything in life as painfully as you did that camshaft.
Yes definitely some Mopars. Mopar no car.
@@bigboreracing356 LOL!!!!!!!!!!! Listen mate I'm a pure gear head mate I have a 96 Ford F150 with a 5.0L(302) Windsor V8, a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8, 2010 Chevy Camaro RS with a 3.6L LFX V6 , a 2012 Jeep Patriot Limited with a 2.4L 4 cylinder, and a 2019 Dodge Charger RT Scat Pack with the 392 Hemi V8 in it mate.
@@CJColvin ignore that idiot. hes a chevy brand loyalist.
"freeze plugs" lol
By chance did you know the part number to the 440 mechanical fuel pump that you used ?
"We will check it with a micrometer"
Pulls out a caliper. What's the name of this program? Maybe it should be "how to demonstrate using the wrong tool for the job
I had a 68 GTX. it was pushing around 425 hp. the guy I bought it from had two fuel pumps on it. one on the motor. and a electric one in the trunk. thought that was weird. !! it loved gas stations.
He just didn't remove the manual pump and install a delete plate. Manual fuel pumps are parasitic and have prime issues anyway, stick with electric.
Amazing ....😐😐
😜🤪😜🤪
How do you guy know what engine to swap it with
Forgot the Sealing O-Ring on oil pump housing at 10:41.
Came on! Lots of money and of gas for 420hp... You should have built a magnum 318 with an 234deg 0.550"lift and edelbrock or indy heads...
Hell you could’ve used a 318 to make that much power with a good set of heads and bumped up the compression
I agree. I remeber an article in hot rod when i was in high school. It about getting 400 hp or so for $1000 out of a 318. I only remember because my gran fury had a 318 in it.
Rapid Transit!!!!!!!!
Can someone help me how do you touch almost everything in the engine and still only get 440 hp when some people are getting 1000+ hp
Bolt on intake carb and headers will make that on a stock 440.
This was pretty much a stock rebuild& those dyno numbers were SAE net. If you want to see real Mopar builds watch Nicks Garage.
Cheers😊
dyno numbers are GROSS readings...sae net in installed in the car....will only be about 335 hp
What if I told you that you were going to get the ultimate of pay raises? Tell what you think?
I may have just popped a chubby when I saw Mopar in the title....
the 440 size pack Made 390 hp the 383 was 330hp
just 425 hp??..with heads and a cam.plus 10.5 comp. ratio..AND 6 pac!..ive seen stock motors on the dyno pull 410 hp..
That’s gonna make like 300 horse at the tire man
Everybody always has an opinion about the money or the assembly or the parts. Only thing that drives me nuts is when they paint the Blocks Basic Black.