American Reacts Why American Healthcare Is The Worst In The Developed World
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- Опубликовано: 9 фев 2022
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In America it's a healthcare business. In other countries it's a healthcare services.
I'm in the UK, and thank God we still have our NHS mostly intact. But it pisses me off to no end that so many people here still keep putting a party in power (The Conservative Party) who barely conceal nowadays that they'd fully privatize it in a second if they thought they could get away with it
Healthcare rights, because it's a human rigth.
uk worst health care in eu many 3rd wc have higher standards uk tops world for most health disorders per popu
I like to say America doesn't have healthcare; it has a health service. There is no care in it.
The recent collapse of Republican efforts to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act demonstrated that the GOP’s tireless obsessions-free market platitudes and tax cuts for the wealthy-contribute absolutely nothing to fixing the American healthcare system. Healthcare in the USA seems to be a privilege and not a right. Healthcare Inequality correlates with income inequality. Our NHS is certainly not the best, but don't compare it to the USA.
Europe: Healthcare is a right and guns are a privilege
USA: Healthcare is a privilege and guns are a right
When you put it like that it's sad even scary but so true
But government don't give guns out,that's a right and personal choice paid by yourself over and above your medical payments,keep your guns it's in your constatution and bill of rights for your own and families health and safety.
@@belindakennedy5828 Alcohol was banned in their constitution and slavery(without jail) was permitted at one point so I never get the "but constitution" argument.
@@belindakennedy5828 they "do" give guns out....if you get vaccinated...in some state's...lol
@@belindakennedy5828 Advocating that people should keep their guns because its in 'the constAtution'. Nice.
Here in the UK in the last twelve months, I’ve had three emergency hospital stays and two operations. Direct cost to me nothing. During one stay, I observed a young guy with full blown MS who needed home care visits three / four times a day to feed, clean and turn him and adminster drugs and it cost his family nothing………..made me proud that I live in such a civilised society.
AMERICA: just get him outta here, he's not making us any money.
Unfortunately the current government has already ensured we'll be becoming more like the US system in the years to come. Look up the Health & Care Bill. It's scary stuff. Bye bye NHS. Hello American-style health insurance.
@@fuzzlewit9 you gotta fight for what's important.
Our US conservative wannabe party in Australia is the same. But here they would face electoral oblivion if they tried to remove Medicare.
@@fuzzlewit9 I’ll pass on reading it. Just to say that many European countries have a mixture of State and private insurance, that works well for them.
Sky news - Special report:There are six million patients waiting for operations on the NHS now, and that number is expected to double in the next year. ruclips.net/video/8QlqFUjomA0/видео.html
Sadly your response is typically American, straight away you're thinking how will the doctor get paid as opposed to how will the patient get better.
Good point. Dr's living a multi-million $$ lifestyle says alot about the real motivation for them becoming a Dr. Americans accept it as the norm.
I have seen many American YT-ers react to this kind of videos and every time they are shocked.
I wonder more and more what Americans are told in general about their own country and about European countries for instance. It must be some sort of propaganda instead of the truth. It reminds me of something the American stand up comedian George Carlin once said "The American Dream: you must be asleep to believe in it"
Apparently we are all socialists and that’s a bad thing.
I remember Al Murray said " American dream? We don't have a dream in Britain because we're bloody awake! "
I think there are very strong interests that influence public opinion. The insurance companies, the owners of the hospitals, the medicine manufacturers, but also if you are rich enough, you also benefit from the system, as you would then have to pay more in tax than you probably have to pay for insurance. If you earn more than double the average income in the US, it is 122,000 dollars a year, you generally earn on the system. The more money you earn, the more you also earn by paying a fixed amount and not% of what you earn. Really rich people often have a lot of power too. The paradox, however, is that many of those who are poor in the United States are also the ones who vote to keep the current system even though they are the ones who lose the most on continuing to keep it.
Americans are told their country is the best in the world and the only thing Americans "know" about other countries is that they're less free. And Americans believe it, despite having access to info like in this video
Or be one of 21 million millionaire s
Greed over peoples health is disgusting , I feel for those in the u.s. who struggle to get health care very sad .☹
Remember, in Europe...unemployed people have a right to the same excellent healthcare!! Can you say this in the USA?? Everyone is entitled to healthcare!!!
In the USA 🇺🇸 when you lose your job, under COBRA (a federal law), you can continue your health insurance coverage, but you have to pay the full cost of the premiums, which is what your employer was paying while you were working for them. Try and make sense of this.
@@JCA51698 that is horrendous. 😲🇫🇮
@@JCA51698 what's a premium?
@@JCA51698 Why does it need a law for that? Would the insurance company kick you out otherwise even if you pay the premiums?
@@JCA51698 oh my God.
Greetings from Finland where we do have universal healthcare! Our daughter was born three months premature. For the first two weeks of her life she was in intensive care and then two months in the hospital. She received excellent care and is now a happy and healthy ten-year-old school girl. The total cost of her treatment was 50 000 euros but we only paid 240 euros. We are so grateful for the society and the state, and are happy to pay our taxes!
Loving your country actually includes seeing the flaws in it and wanting it to be better. Being blind to faults and refusing to address them is often mistaken for patriotism - but it really shows a contempt for the country that is suffering.
Absolutely agree with this comment. It amazes me how many Americans don't want to face how dangerous and just plain wrong it is to treat healthcare as a profit making business. You shouldn't have to live in fear of going to a doctor because of money. It's just so, so wrong.
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Alas, "There are none so blind as those that "cannot see", or worse still prefer "not to see" for the sake of their blind Patriotism.
Well said
Unfortunately US citizens think they are pratriots but they just blindly praise and lode the USA, without realizing realize that's what it's called nationalism and it's (it was) the precursor of fascim or nazism.
So much ignorance, if they could only study the world history instead of 300+ dates of just couples houndres of USA History.
I had to go to the ER once in the US
(Im german)
Waited almost 3h
They just checked my blood pressure and filled in a prescription..
Took 5 min..
Cost?
1300 Bucks!
Was actually the first time I’ve seen a medical bill in my life
Luckily I got it all back from my German insurance but it’s absolutely insane..
No wonder that the term „medical bankruptcy“ is common in the US but totally unheard off over here
There’s technically not even a word for it in German
In Italian it is called vafanculo, or cazzo. In Sweden it is "kuken alltså."
@@milesdust3465 ???
@@srccde that's what an Italian would say to the hospital giving them that bill.
"Eff off!"
@@godamid4889 Ahh Ok now I get it, thanks.
@@milesdust3465 took me a minute! 😂🤣
You said "If this is all true then something is not right". I'm just saying it nicely. Yes, mate, it's true. So true that here in the Netherlands we see a lot of American expats who never leave. Rightly so! They are more than welcome here! Greetings from Holland.
So true that here in South Africa we have American medical tourism for necessary medical procedures.
True in Germany too. I don't get how Connor doesn't get it
@@TheDarthChain He's an American, it's the greatest country in the world.
I wouldn't be surprised if he has doubts that this is real... lol
My Aussie wife worked as a surgeon in the USA for a year and was appalled by the US healthcare system. It’s not that you have bad doctors and nurses, but it’s the provision and cost of those services to your population which is the problem. Everything in US healthcare is about “can the patient pay”, not “how can we best treat this patient”. She was offered sponsorship to permanently stay working in the USA and work at one of the largest northwest US trauma hospitals. She point blank refused. Btw she earns more here than a surgeon in her speciality would in the USA.
I'm pleased to have her back here.
No, she doesn’t earn more. Specialists are starting at half a million right now.
Here in Italy, all of the health workers are state employees. There's a public contract the sindacates (multiple, you can choose the one you think it fits you best) discussed with the national government and it's updated regularly.
Mia madre lavora in ospedale e non avevo idea che potevi scegliere un contratto
@@simoneamaro987 non scegli il contratto. Scegli il sindacato, il contratto è uguale per tutti.
@@simoneamaro987 in Italia tutto ciò che riguarda i contratti/rapporti di lavoro è disciplinato dal CCNL, ovvero il contratto collettivo nazionale del lavoro. Che è stato stipulato a livello nazionale tra le organizzazioni rappresentanti dei lavoratori, i sindacati e i datori di lavoro.
Wife had two kidney transplants in a London Hospital, no bill, no fee, not a penny.
I hope she's all right
... but thanks to the tory government that will change soon enough.
@@freudsigmund72 no it won't??...any party..tory or labour, lib Dems....any changes to the NHS...is political suicide to any party and all the parties know this ..
@@freudsigmund72 In England it's happening now, NHS Scotland, NHS Wales and HSC Northern Ireland are driving away for-profit companies this does mean its better but at least the Welsh and Scottish Government are ringfencing the NHS
@@freudsigmund72 Nonsense! If I thought that I would not vote for them. This country would be destroyed if our NHS was removed.
Everyone outside of the US thinks that your healthcare system is cruel and inhumane. The USA are the richest country on Earth but in healthcare terms, they are a third-world-country. There are even some developing countries who look after their citizens better than the US do. This system of greed is just obscene.
Indeed. They have paid parental leave in Afganistan and Ethiopia.
It's not just healthcare that's third world in the US. You should see their prison systems, infrastructure and schools. They worship privatization despite it ruining everything in their world
@@thomasdendtler4077 Technically, they worship Capitalism despite it ruining everything in their world.
@@johnl6176 yeah, pretty much
@@thomasdendtler4077 when I visited the US in 2015 (I’m Australian), I was horrified at the state of decay of bridges and freeways with corrosion, spalling and great chunks of concrete missing.
One of the elevated steel freeways in NYC was in such poor condition, hadn’t been painted in decades it seemed, huge expanses of the steel was covered in deep corrosion and exfoliating like an onion. I saw this everywhere.
Such a major structure in Australia would be immediately condemned and demolished, not that it’d ever be allowed to even reach that point of peeling paint and rust blemishes.
The NHS rules dude. By no means perfect, but the concept of healthcare being free at the point of service for all citizens is one all civilized nations should adopt.
They do. No one even pretends anymore, not since COVID, the US is civilised regarding social issues & social cohesion.
Medicare here in Australia is the same
I broke my leg 4 months ago (compound fracture Tib and Fib), total cost including ambulance, stabilising the break, antibiotics, 2 nights in Hospital, Surgery to insert rod in Tib and a moonboot) was $137.00 - Breakdown = $30 to buy the crutches, $7 for pain meds to take home, $100 for the snack hamper I sent to the ward nursing station when I got home - the Australian system.
"The system isn't broken" - This is exactly what USA wanted, it is Capitalism working just as it is supposed to.
Profit over life
If you actually read the theorists of capitalism ... That is actually not how it is supposed to work.
I worked for a Dutch health insurance company. There I saw the accounts of Dutch expats who work in America. Just to name one example. A regular consultation in America is between $150 and $300 for just 10 minutes. Here in the Netherlands, the same consultation costs 12 dollars and as a resident of the Netherlands you are insured for this, regardless of whether or not you have a job. The healthcare costs rates in the Netherlands are heavily regulated and therefore this is one of the best healthcare costs systems in the world. The quality of care is also high. It is hard to believe that the richest country in the world , the USA, cares so badly for its inhabitants. This is disgraceful.
It is disgusting that they even charge for mothers to hold their own newly born child, its called skin on skin contact, and its $40 - absolute filth!
Because most ingnorant americans see it as a freedom right not being insured. While every american living in an other country have his eyes openend.
$300 for a quick consult seems pretty cheap imo. If the doctor doesn't know what's wrong and orders more tests or bloodwork that "quick visit" could easily balloon into the thousands.
I thank god everyday that I live in Australia, one of my daughters has had over 50 surgeries including 3 transplants and many many years on dialysis. We have never paid a cent for any of her treatment.
And thank christ for our PBS
Yeah, I've had 3 babies delivered here in Aust and I never paid a cent. That also included 6 weeks of prenatal courses and a month of postnatal checkups in our home. Also never paid to hold a new born once😃
@@TheHashCookie Australia's post-hospital care is great. Mum's had knee replacements among other things this last decade & the 6 week post hospital care is fabulous, includes nurses to the home for wound care, home blood tests, cleaners, shower assistance. It's marvellous. But it's also necessary.
it's a government program, not a church program....
@@heukelummer yeah no shit Sherlock
What shocked me the most was you not knowing this about your own country. This makes me think that Americans don't take action against this cruel and inhumane system simply because most of them ignore how it really works. Open your eyes!
Yeah that did surprise me honestly
Yea, the moment for me was when he said "If all of this is true...". I was like "bruh o.o you really don't know what's goin on with health system in your own country?" :)
+ Silvia They don't want to..that's why. It seems to be a "I'm alright Jack" mentality.
The moment we speak out against it we’re told:
1: our taxes will go up.
2: socialized healthcare will lower the quality of healthcare we have. Like letting people die because they’re waitlisted to be seen if it’s not an emergency.
3: we’re labeled anti-American
4: we’re labeled socialist or communist
5: or told, there’s nothing wrong with our current system.
I’m American & I see right through all this BS. It’s all for profit, simple as that.
i do believe that we who are from other countrys as the US arent really always fair tbh. i think it its way more complicated over there because its never just that one thing whats unreal for us. its a complement of several things which corelate with each other, like the US is all for profit . how much do i get paid ? how healthy is my life ? can i afford this or that , the general ideology in were u grow up , the drive to do better then my neighbour moneywise . not much time to look elsewhere how they do it and even if ....its hard to believe its better then home isnt it. the one fact they get told alone should be enough, heathcare for everyone would be cheaper then it is now if some things would be regulated. but then again thats called socialism and in the US thats greatly refused without even checking what that actually is and if the term even fits .
yes im confused about their reactions but im pretty sure they are about as much thing from thing they see from us . at the end it comes to education and how willingly ur able to change ur view on the world. (Sorry for the essay)
Connor....You need to explore this further, but, essentially, as the narrator says, it comes down to ethics rather than profit. A country either concerns itself with the welfare of its citizens, or it doesn't.
Pay for nhs staff is set nationally. My salary is lower than it might be in the USA, but I get paid to provide the best care to my patients, not screw them out of cash with lots of expensive unnecessary tests. We have best practice guidelines, we follow these.
Thank you for your work, my daughter works for the NHS and I'm so proud of her
One wonders what goes through the heads of new US doctors when they take the Hippocratic Oath.
@@tonybennett4159 I think only Dr. Quincy and Dr. Sloane knew what it meant.
Isn't that the slippery slope, in the US you end op with people in it for the money. In other places they are in it to help people (I know it is a generalisation)
My English cousin lives in the states, a recent ear infection ended up costing him over 300 dollars 😯
The stories he tells me are horrendous. A woman he works with is in her 80s, still working and has to pay for prescriptions. Shocking.
If watched a few video’s on the topic of pay in ‘socialised health care systems’. Dr’s are still some of the best paid professionals in these countries. Ther is a great video of an American Doctor who relocated to the UK and works for the NHS. She said that over all she earns slightly less in the uk, however she also had a better work life balance, ie worked less. And her actual hourly equivalent was pretty similar. But the actual experience of working in the UK as opposed to the States was much better and less stressful. The American healthcare system is an unfortunate byproduct of the the American worship of the Dollar! Again if you watch any video’s on RUclips of American’s experiences of healthcare in Europe pretty much all of them are converted to believers of the European system rather than the American one….
And we have no student loan to pay. At least in my country.
My wife’s an Australian surgeon who worked in the USA some years ago. She gets paid more here in Australia. That’s because while she would be paid less for her work in the public healthcare system, we have a two-tier public-private system and she more than makes up for it in the private. However she continues to work in the public because like many Aussie doctors, she feels she has an ethical obligation to support public healthcare.
And to think many top doctors emigrated to the US in the 60's because of the wages. It was referred here as the "Brain Drain". Many doctors from India plus those who were thrown out of Uganda by Idi Amin immigrated to the UK, but some also "moved on" to the US. My personal opinion of Indian doctors here is that most are second-to-none.
You also benefit financially if you as a doctor need to go to the doctor:)
I live in the UK I am soon to have a hip replacement the operation and aftercare will cost me ZERO . During our working life we all pay national insurance contribution it's a tiny amount out of people's wages this goes to pay for everyone's NHS treatment , it pays the wages of our healthcare staff and all UK residents will defend OUR NHS to the bitter end.
In Germany I would have to pay 10€ per day for a stay in hospital or rehab. That’s up to 28 days, after that it’s free. So I basically add to the meals. It’s free for children and teenagers. If, all in all, your extra medical expenses - like fees for medication - are more than 2% of your annual income, it will be free too.
The NHS is notoriously underfunded and leads to waiting times/lists that we cannot imagine in Germany as there are no waiting lists here (except for organ transplants).
Sky news - Special report: There are six million patients waiting for operations on the NHS now, and that number is expected to double in the next year. ruclips.net/video/8QlqFUjomA0/видео.html
@mcchickenz The point is that in Germany there is no waiting list at all, you will be treated immediately, no matter what it is, (except for organ transplants).
Well we better start defending it as the Tories are selling it off to U.S corporations !!
Sorry to nit pick - the money from National Insurance isn't ring fenced. It goes into the same pot as Income Tax, VAT, Corporation Tax etc.
At the beginning of the Pandemic I had a full scale heart problem. Which resulted in Two expert paramedics bringing me back to life. then a trip to the local hospital then a transfer to a specialist cardiac unit ,operated on by a team of specialists, 4 day stay,private room with Tv meals The NHS has its faults because of political interference their trying to sell it off bit by bit and
have a US system. I shudder to think how much my treatment would have cost in the US as it happens cost to me was nothing Many people in the US seem to think that public medical services are akin to communism. The lies put about by the media in the US are unbelivable.
I know some people claim the Tories whenever they are in government are going to move the NHS to an insurance system as per the USA but honestly, it is never going to happen because voters simply would never support it. And out of interest this warning from the political left has been the same for as long as I have had the vote, which is getting on for 40 years now, and it has not happened yet and the Tories have been in power for most of that time.
@@LemonChick has it only not happened because of the 40 years of warnings and making it an election issue though?
@@LemonChick I completely agree. It takes a great deal to stir rebellion in the Great British public ( I can only think of the reaction to the attempt by Mrs Thatcher to impose a Poll Tax as an instance of mass response from the British population at large) and any attempt to privatise the NHS would certainly do the trick - any political party would be comitting suicide in making the attempt.
@@LemonChick are you really so blindly in love that you don't see the deceit ? the hollowing out and dismantling of our nhs ? yes the population would never support it, but it is happening now ! by stealth, the tories have decimated the nhs, sacked thousands of experienced workers, in the police and military too, and are now proclaiming investment in them all, it's tory 101, we could do it cheaper, as long as we convince the mugs through new contracts with less rights and protections, plain and simple most tories despise the nhs, always have and always will, it really is a race to be the one who can finally claim the death of our human instinctive health care system, the political left as you call it are thankfully not as gullible or complicit as you obviously are.
Sky news - Special report: There are six million patients waiting for operations on the NHS now, and that number is expected to double in the next year. ruclips.net/video/8QlqFUjomA0/видео.html
In the UK the NHS grades your job and the salary equivalent of that grade. There are a lot of add-ons that can increase the salary above the base, but specialists, residents and junior doctors as well as surgeons, there is a fixed tariff and all new doctors qualifying in the UK must give a period of employment in the NHS to 'give back'.
It also needs to be noted that the vast majority of European (etc) health workers, choose their career as a vocation, with a great desire to help and care for others, where as, I get the impression, that many American's do the jobs to make money.
After that period Doctors have the option to work privately for fees. However few patients want to pay for a private hospital because you will probably see the same doctor at both. In a private hospital you may get carpets. In the NHS you will get the best equipment. If you pay money to a private hospital they may have to send you to the NHS for tests and scans. If your operation goes wrong they may race you to an NHS hospital for a special care. Private hospitals do not have budgets for training. It all depends on the demand for carpet and quality TVs. There is one benefit that is genuine, you can sometime cut the waiting time for non-urgent treatment.
@@robertwhite3503 Thanks for the clarification. I wrote my comment quickly without checking the full story and what you say is accurate. My mother was treated in a fabulous new thoracic unit in an NHS hospital alongside private patients. They could not have done more for her, for which I will be eternally grateful.
@@robertwhite3503 It also depends on what you're seeking treatment for, I have a few medical conditions that NHS doctors aren't taught enough about to be able to treat effectively. I've often had to explain what my condition is to Doctors even in A&E, so in the case of people who have my conditions or similar ones we often have to pay to see private specialists to get the treatment we need and to be seen by a Doctor who knows what we're going through. For generalised and common ailments the NHS definitely is the preferred route but for conditions that require in depth teaching and aren't as common unfortunately private healthcare in a lot of cases can be the only way to actually receive diagnosis and/or adequate treatment that the NHS just can't provide
@@WagwanItsBonbon I also had a bad experiance with the british health care system, compared to the german one. I think it is important to point out that a public health care system can also be organized in such a way that it gives you a good quality.
That being said I am a huge fan of the german health care system because there you have regulated private insurance companies which negotiate with doctors and pharmaceutical companies. Since both are out for profit and insurance companies want to attract customers, you get a pretty decent system. The NHS is more centralistic and I kind of feel that therefore the UK does not get the same quality. Would be interesting to get other opinions on this.
Do you know what, I actually think Connor is starting to see the light, his reaction was much different to the defensive attitude of his first video on this subject.
I really hope so.
This video should be compulsory viewing for every American.
To quote the late, great Bill Hicks, albeit in a different context : "Stop putting a dollar symbol on every fucking thing on this planet".
I think he's one of the few. The reaction of the majority of Americans seem to be that a European-style national health service is critized as a form of communism. And Dr. G Benjamin, executive director of the APHA, says, "Part of our system is that everybody is ... paying for somebody else's underpayment, whether they like it or not," he said. "Everybody is trying to figure out who else can pay for it instead of them."
@krissyg70 I thought the same. Having an American creator of the video probably helped. Yanks are absolutely brainwashed about so many things all to allow their capitalist wheel to continue making the rich obscenely richer.
I have MS and every 3 months I have a drug infusion - each time costing £ 25,000 I could never afford that- so would be at the mercy of the illness.
That is why I gladly pay for health insurance thru my taxes, I do not need it at this time, but someone else will. Tax money well spent, the US calles it socialism, I call it empathy or just the decent to do.
In America you can carry guns legally but go bankrupt because health cost if you injured 🤕must be the most upside down treatment of its own citizens.🤦♂️
I live in Canada. Two weeks ago I found a large lump that was in a place it shouldn't be. I saw my doctor, had scan at Cancer unit of hospital, went to my doctor again yesterday to be given the good news it wasn't cancer, and was referred back to the hospital to have the lump removed within the next month or so. All resolved in less than two weeks...... has not cost me one cent!!!!!
10:45 In Germany, doctors are usually paid by the (very heavily regulated!) ensurance companies. There is a national board which decides the cost of drug prices, treatment costs, etc. The board includes both the national association of insurance companies and the national associations of doctors and hospitals. All the prices are standardized and the profit margins are regulated. So every treatment costs the same anywhere in Germany.
But the neat thing is that the average patient doesn't have to care about the prices for most treatments. You simply go to a doctor, show your public insurance card and that's it. The money is shifted from the insurance companies to the hospitals and doctors in the background. Sometimes you have to pay additional costs as a patient, but they are usually quite low and all the basic treatments (even if they are very expensive, like cancer therapies) are covered anyway.
There are "private" insurance companies which have higher fees, but if you can't afford them, you will always get the public insurance. In fact, you are OBLIGATED by law to have at least public insurance. And you will always be insured, because if you can't pay the insurance fees yourself, the state will do it for you. And the fees are regulated too, so they are always the same for everyone. Doesn't matter if you are old or young, sick or healthy - you always pay the same amount. Even if your treatment costs millions of euros - you still pay the same modest fees.
One thing to add for clarification: The so called "public" insurance companies are still privately owned companies. They make a profit. However, they are heavily regulated, so they all have to pay the same prices and all have to offer the same insurance fees to everyone. Also, they aren't allowed to turn down anyone who wants to be insured. Basically, the state took them and turned them into tools for the public benefit, without needing to bother about organizing everything himself. They make a (modest) profit, the patients get good healthcare and the state is spared a bureaucratic nightmare like the british NHS.
Are you talking about "death panels" (quoting Sarah Palin)?
@@nonnoyobisnis8705 What?
@UCs1wE5PYuJOTH50Yul3mpTQ Before the Pandemic there were just over 3 million operations performed every day (A couple of sites had slightly higher). Considering all that's happened over the past 2 years that 6 million figure doesn't sound quite so horrific - representing the loss of simply two days work at pre-pandemic rates. Although I may have interpreted it differently, here's where I got it from:
ttps://ruclips.net/video/23oEBGjNbnQ/видео.html
Private insurers: one cannot necessarily say that the fees are higher. The problem is more that the fees are based on your health and age and one must either be a civil servant or above a certain income to be insured there..
Public insurers: anyone who is insured under public insurance also automatically has the right, every 5 years, to elect their representatives to the board.
Pay for staff: usually negotiated through collective agreements between the unions and the public sector.
Note: Doctors can also or only accept private patients.
@@manub.3847 I didn't meant to say that the private insurance fees are ALWAYS higher, it was just a general statement.
I have Asthma, my dad has diabetes and my mum had cancer. My Aunt had a brain tumor. We live in the UK, my aunt married an American and lives in the US. My family is covered for the health outcomes that come from these diseases with no cost outside of our Tax and National Insurance contributions. My aunts husband is a veteran and she was covered under his insurance. They had to sell the logging rights to the old growth trees on their property, as well as some of their land to cover their part of the medical costs of her treatment. My aunt's lived in the US for over 50 years now and is an American Patriot who lives in the Deep South. The surprise to me is that my aunt grew up here with the same coverage by the NHS, but has been in the US so long with the constant messaging around her that she believes the UK social healthcare is communism gone mad and would rather go broke than see it in the US. Our health care isn't the best or ideal solution, but we know that. Americans on the other hand are told from cradle to grave that they have the best healthcare in the world. Few Americans have a passport and travel to developed countries to live or work. However, of those who do - I've not seen one that preferred the US health care system whichever country they ended up in. I get the whole We're No.1 thing, but when reality hit's and they are shown actual figures - a lot seem to think they are fake or rigged.
I'm 72, and paid my National Insurance since 1965. Had a serious heart attack 11 years ago. Had 2 ambulances, 2 hospitals, an angiogram to insert stents. A week in high dependency ward. 3 more stents fitted later. 3 more ambulances and hospital stays. I am prescribed about 12 tablets a day. Sum total for all this, £0.00.
But you could still halve the cost of the insurance cost if the United States had a system that other countries have.
@@tangfors There are different methods to get everyone health care, and one of them is a state regulated insurance system. Basically what you pay for your insurance is based on your income.
@@swanpride Don't underestimate the power of large numbers. Even in the USA for example veteran organization negotiate on behalf of large number of veterans and they get a better deals. In most countries it is the government negotiating on behalf of its population. There is more ofcourse, but it is a mayor factor. I, representing myself vs health insurance or we, representing 10mln people vs health insurance, who do you think is in a better negotiation position.
Well how much have you paid to national insurance sense 1965? That’s technically how much you paid
The problem with the UK system is that because no one has to pay directly, there are no bills, no one realises how much it would have cost them, maybe if they knew this they would be more outraged at the creeping privatisation of the NHS and do something to get rid of this morally bankrupt government.
Vote the bastards out!
The 'hold my baby' thing is true, there will be a 'skin on skin' charge in the bill....!! On the PAY question, most Doctors work for the 'national' Health Service provider, which will have negotiated a salary structure 'with the unions' for your job description. Does a Doctor 'need' to earn $500k or $60k, when the leader of the country earns $125k..!!
I really think what is messed up with the health care system in america, is that everyone believes high costs are unavoidable, when it comes to health and that there are no alternatives for the way things are. I struggle with thoughts about how far behind almost every other country in the world the US health care system is and most americans shrug with the quote: "That is how things are! Politicians are all the same and we can't do anything to repair the system ... " that is sooo NOT true.
Capitalism is NOT the solution it is the problem and solidarity in your systems (some may call them socialist policies) is NOT evil, but stopping the rich and powerful from exploiding people that depends on them...educate yourself america and don't stop at the border of your own country in searching for new ideas.
Had a doctor’s appointment on Friday - the day I made it. with a doctor of my choice, got referred for an x-ray in the hospital on the following Tuesday. Went into my x-ray appointment 15 minutes early and hadn’t even sat down, and that’s not uncommon, I’ve never had to wait much more than a few minutes for one either.
The point about asking people who use epipens is irrelevant as they’re free in the UK. No prescription costs more than ~$10 whatever the drug is, and stuff that’s absolutely live saving is free.
Public health and universal healthcare isn’t done out of altruism, it keeps the workforce heathy and better able to input into the economy. The US always looks at short-term profit rather than the longer, bigger picture.
Yes, I agree, I can see whom ever I want. You can choose anyone in the UK who specialises in your medical issues.
A member of my family needed to use their EpiPen over the Christmas holiday period was seen in hospital and is now fit and well again.... Thank God for the NHS and the fact that we did not have to worry what the bill would be.
We all know that the NHS is not free as such and is paid for by taxation but I would take that system over the US for profit system any day of the week.
That´s the first problem of the USA system - they don´t treat the illness at the beginning so it cost them much more with less succsess. Ill people are not able to pay taxes so it sucks. If you treat people as soon as the first problems starts, you will get much healthier population which is able to work for society and pay the taxes.
In the US you’re a customer. In the UK you're a patient. Also health-care in the US is the number one reason for bankruptcy.
A note on your comment "how do doctors negotiate a pay rise." The answer is simple, doctors drawn to the public systems have a conscience and accept the limitations of treasury funding, their dedication is rewarded by the love and respect of the public they serve. Of course, that is if they don't succumb to the allure of the private system, which like yours can charge what they like and ergo, pay what they like. We love our NHS and it's army of care givers.
What shocks me more is americans don't realise how badly they are treated...keep educating yourself...
I know you struggled to put it into words, but I think in your reaction you were trying to say that in America there is a mentality of "Why should I have to pay extra taxes to cover someone else's medical expenses?" Whereas in other countries the overwhelming attitude is "It's in everyone's interests if I do, and I, or a member of my family may or will, need affordable healthcare someday" In Australia we have a universal healthcare system, have had since the early '70's, and it would be political suicide for any party to try to abolish it.
In the US, politicians who have advocated for universal healthcare i.e. Bernie Sanders, AOC and other members of "The Squad" are portrayed in the MSM as the "radical left" and people buy into it.
Meanwhile the same people fail to realize that universal healthcare would cost them less than health insurance and would provide MUCH more. Blind leading the blind.
@@xAnAngelOfDeathx Exactly my annual Medicare (Australian) tax contribution is much less than a month or two of a low coverage USA policy. We also have a two tier system and I can opt to have private insurance with the benefits of that system if I wish.
Further to my earlier comment, my Gp will send my prescription electronically to the pharmacy and they deliver it to my door, usually the same day. They work together with the GPs. They sometimes even question a prescription with the Dr as they are sometimes more qualified. Greatest system on earth. No body is turned away
In Sweden I was operated on for 6 hours for lung cancer ,,, I was 3 days in the hospital with food and medicine and other things, I paid 30 dollars ,, that was all ,,, Swedish kronor 300, therefore we pay taxes and other
I have two Epipens and three inhalers as well as allergy medication. There is no way I could pay for them myself if I lived in America. And I can't live without them. I don't know how I could survive. I had no idea the costs were so high.
My hope is, as more Americans, particularly the young, have access to more information about the rest of the world, they come out of the fog and work to improve their country. Definitely the healthcare system. Healthcare is a basic human right. If you can't give your people that basic right, it sure doesn't bode well for the future, country or people.
In Australia, most doctors choose to stay in the public system and accept being paid lower fee for service, the spin off is that because they are in part paid by the government, there are almost zero defaults on payments, or, put it another way, their fees are guaranteed, leaving them better off in the end. You can of course decide to go private. But whats the point
It's heartbreaking, very sad
What's shocking is how ignorant the average US citizen is!
Had to take my mother to the ER due to stomach pain on 24th of December. Turned out she had a infectious gallbladder. Within an hour she was checked over and taken in, next day she had surgery and and was released two days later. Let's remind this was over Christmas period and they had to bring an extra surgeon for it. She paid 10€ for it all(basically bed fees for the two nights). It cost me more in just parking fees to take her there and back.
I was once in ER (about 7h.) Ambulance ride and full blood spectrum bloobsamples, EKG, magnetic resonance imaging, while lying down on ER bed. Whole stuff under 40€ (Finland)
I've recently retired, and considered moving to the USA from Britain.
There were many pros and cons, but the clincher that made me remain here was the cost of healthcare.
The Epi pen cost is correct or was at time of filming the cost now is around $700 before any discounts that may apply. I have a friend in St Louis who's neighbour uses an Epi pen. I can buy privately here in UK (not NHS) for around $81 and ship for around $20 but the Epi pen will be seized at the border and destroyed
That is terrible, it's life threatening. Wow, the US really needs to change
Dude I see you everywhere, we must watch the same type of videos.
@@CrazyInWeston Yep, I have a lot of time on my hands so spend a lot of time watching youtube
@@Westcountrynordic Same really, and do the same to be honest. Prob like you I'm often going "Whats on RUclips?"
That anecdote completely sums up what the US health system is about... $$. They won't even allow the shipment of medicines via the post from another country! My God now I've heard it all. I know the yanks take trips down to Mexico to buy similar meds but I guess they can't stop them going down there for "holidays" as tourists. It's a wonder the meds aren't taken from them at customs. One lady on twitter goes down there & pre-buys over the phone before she leaves. They have them waiting for her. Cost is $700 for 9 mths supply as opposed to $12K if she bought them in the US!! Disgraceful.
I'll tell you what I find interesting here is how your reaction to this type of video has evolved. I remember your reaction to the Vulcans "nuking" American cities it was almost comically petulant . You've come a long way young Sir
Australia has a Health Care system called Medicare (similar to GB's NHS). We have a full public health system and working Australians pay for Medicare based on a percentage of the gross salary (2%). Australians who don't work (eg retirees, unemployed) are still entitled to the same health care. If you would prefer to access a private hospital you can take out private health insurance. I pay for private health and a few months ago I had a mild heart attack. I chose to go to a private hospital for treatment. I ended up having a quadruple bypass operation. I was in hospital for a total of 10 days while I had the surgery and to recover. I was out of pocket approximately $350 (AUS). To put it in simple terms Medicare paid for the equivalent of the same procedure in a public hospital. My private health insurance paid for the rest (apart from the $350). Another thing we have in Australia is the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. This is a Federal Government scheme which provides subsidies to reduce the cost of expensive medications. I take several medications that would cost several hundred and in at least one case over $1000 for one months supply. The subsidy means I pay approximately $30 per month. All up I spend around $50 a month on medication. If you are a pensioner I'm pretty sure a prescription drug will only cost you around $6 (AUS).
The saddest part of this is many Americans love a service that delivers affordable care, only to those that have premium insurance cover. There seems to be a snob value attached to the cover they have, just like the cars they drive and people seem happy to see others with lesser brands or bangers as it bolsters their egos. It seems that even those that have poor insurance cover have been brainwashed to believe 'pay as you go; is still better than a socialised healthcare system.
Pay for doctors ,specialist nurses etc etc is all set by the goverments , they have pay grades and those have bracets of years worked , experience . etc etc . with a minimum and a maximum salari you can earn with that job .
Some also have collective agreements negotiated by the unions..
IMHO you cannot call any country great that charges their citizens to get well when they're ill. I am a diabetic with severe heart problems in the UK. I have regular medicines and hospital visits including scans and procedures and I have never paid a medical bill in my life. As I have a life long illness I also get drugs free. I am proud of our country in that anyone regardless of wealth,gender,race,orientation etc gets treated exactly the same.
10:27 it depends on the country and their practices.
Sometimes it’s a competitive wage that still competes with the private healthcare market, othertimes it is just lower wages for doctors who work for passion and desire to help rather than cash.
In the USA you're not a patient, you're a consumer!
Profiting from sick or dying people is immoral & unethical.
Holding baby: It is called skin on skin contact and it costs around $40. It is a thing.
And yes your medical system really sucks. My brother lives in the US and will only work for companies that have the absolute best in health insurance... in other words they cover EVERYTHING. Fortunately his specialisation puts him in such demand that he can make that a requirement, most people don't have that option.
Do you really think the US is the only country diverse in background? In Europe and Canada even most people who would call themselves conservatives support health care for all.
Hi, worked in Canadian Healthcare for 21+ years:
Type 1 Diabeties affects children who are born with tbe disease.
Type 2 Diabeties is contracted due to poor diet and poor their lifestyle and, sometimes, because of age (ie fair, fat and forty).
Yeah, US A Healthcare, or lac there of, sucks. It is bad because it is For Profit and those big companies pay huge amounts of money to political parties and politicians to keep it that way. Hence, the US government does not regulate the healthcare costs - doctor salaries, medications....
Recently went to ER, in Canada, waited 15 minutes to get through triage, pent 3 hrs in ER - saw ER doctor, had lab tests CT scan, got tedults from ER doctor daw Neurologist and Opthamalogist, was discharged and owed $0.00.
If I was in the US, it would have cost me between $6400 USD to $9800USD.
This past year in Sweden Ive had 4 corona tests, had one tooth fixed, went to the ER, in an ambulance, with signs of heart attack (Luckily, its wasnt) 4 blood tests, 2 EKGs and one 24 hour EKG.
I spent 2 days straight in a hospital bed for observation.
Free food, 2 nurses, one cardiologist and a resident doctor attending me.
No one has billed me anything... at all.
A year after the Second world war 46, we, the people voted for the labour party ,can remember reading that a welsh Labour MP said that we need to look to the health and wealth of the nation :: NHS
I recommend watching the movie ''Sicko'' by Michael Moore. A proper eye-opener.
Canadian here. I had a heart attack in 2013. Went to my local hospital. They sent me to another hospital specializing in heart surgeries by ambulance. Had the surgery, spent 2 days in the hospital total. The cost to me was zero.
The American people are delusional with the idea of American Exceptionalism and believe they have the best of everything in the world including their health care system. That is until they have an individual event that they cannot afford and get that massive copay bill they aren’t able to pay or have a chronic illness and can’t pay for the drugs they need. Why do they put up with it? I think it's because their government has somehow managed to sell them on the idea that a normal modern healthcare system is “socialism”. They’ve managed to fool them into not just tolerating this, but defending it.
In 2016 Iwas hospitalised for three weeks with a horrible infection. I was on liquid antibiotics four times every 24 hours. Three months later I had a 10 hour long surgery and a three day stay at the hospital. This included 3 meals a day, afternoon snacks and free access to softdrinks. None of it cost me anything at all. I'm from Denmark, btw. So very grateful for our healthcare system, they literally saved my life.
Check out Tommy Douglas, Canadian politician. He brought Universal Healthcare to Canada and in a National poll was considered the greatest Canadian of all-time
Appreciate the shout out to Tommy Douglas. Thanks 😊
The USA is shocking when it comes to empathy for the sick and ill.no one should lose the roof over their heads for a medical bill.......greed comes to mind.
Hi Connor,
In the UK doctors are paid on a sliding scale that is fixed within each department, the qualifications and years served. Bare in mind that many UK top doctors work for both the NHS and private practice.
They can only go into private practice once they reach Consultant level minimum.
Doctors aren’t negotiating salary. That’s is set based on seniority and experience in the UK. It’s a job, not a business to haggle for money.
From each according to his ability - to each according to his need. The ones with the broadest shoulders contribute the most. That is the basis of a society that cares for each other & provides a safety net below which no one will fall. It doesn't mean that no one can better themselves or people are not encouraged to work hard. Socialism is not a bad thing & in a country that purports to be Christian I should think that it would be an ideal. I'm afraid that the almighty dollar has taken the place of the Almighty.
But in the USA it seems to be an "I'm alright Jack" attitude...that is until something happens to them.
Excellent choice for a reaction! I'm thrilled to see you learning more, and I hope you read the comments. And I think you're spot on with America having had a "compete against your neighbour" mentality fostered in it.
I'm glad you're learning. I'm old and I've watched the corporatization of medical care take root and grow. When I was young, the average family was able to pay off medical bills and hospital bills without insurance and without bankruptcy. All hospitals were nonprofit. I've watched the deterioration of access to health care. We probably DO have the best, or close to it, medical institutions in the world. The problem is, we can't afford them. Younger people have no idea how bad it is. They're used to it and think our system is normal.
We pay here in the UK through taxes and National Insurance so its not entirely free but it is free at the point of need. The pandemic has really stretched the NHS that has been gradually underfunding it because they have "friends" in the USA who want to buy into the NHS - Video's like this should be widely distributed here in the UK to see the danger we face
It's interesting that the USA and UK went in opposite directions after WW2.
The USA with individual insurance and the UK with single payer.
Yes and it could easily have been so different.
“Healthy citizens constitute our greatest natural resource, and prudence as well as justice demands that we husband that resource. … as a nation we should not reserve good health and long productive life for the well-to-do, only, but should strive to make good health equally available to all citizens.” Written in a 1947 draft speech to Congress by Harry Truman but never delivered.
And the biggest opponents to a form of universal healthcare who lobbied actively against it were the doctors.
Iguess it started when the big red scare began in right after the war.
Everything that was managed by the government like healthcare and education became commie indoctrination in schools and universal healthcare was defenetly a commie thing.
So they have been brainwashed to belive that these two tings is commie but forget that police,fire andmilitary actually also is a form of sosialism.
I find it even more amazing that the UK implemented this system even though as a country it was effectively broke!!! WW2 made the country bankrupt!!
@@CrazyInWeston And it was in dept to the USA by so much that it didn't finish paying back the loans until the 1980s.
@@CrazyInWeston Thank Clem Attlee, Nye Bevan and their great reforming post war government for our welfare state. I'm full of admiration for them and the British electorate for voting them in.
Shortly after the war the US government announced a wage freeze (to combat inflation I think) this was a big problem for employers trying to recruit the best so... They were allowed to offer other benefits (not wages) & used medical insurance as a benefit to the employee to get around the pay freeze (why private for profit insurance took off so fast). In effect your own government were responsible at the root of destroying what was effectively a good socialized non-profit health care system. I doubt it can be rolled back without a serious mass action of the people!
The problem is compounded by the fact the average American, especially older people, thinks caring for your fellow American is communism, instead of wanting what is best for your nation. We care about our people, and want them to be treated the way we want to be treated too. On the news last night a young woman was finally fit to leave hospital after a full year after having terrible COVID. Should she now be crippled with debt for the rest of her life. Poor girl, of course she shouldn't.
I live in the UK and had 2 emergency surgeries. I called an ambulance 3 times as I couldn't breathe. I had pneumonia (2 weeks in hospital requiring meds) I also had mastoiditis (involving the mastoid bone in my skull being drilled away, 2 weeks in hospital with meds). After leaving hospital I had 2 nurses visit my home daily to administer antibiotics). I was fed, brought tea with biscuits, toast, cereal for breakfast and 2 hot meals after breakfast - lunch and dinner. I needed a hearing aid... Total cost to me... $0, nil, zero.
10:50 In Australia, doctors etc ca work for the private system (similar to the US) or the public sytem (similar to Europe). Some specialists may do both. The public system fees are set by govt in consultation with the industry (eg the doctor's associations etc), the private system they are competing against other docs but they're also competing against the public system.
last year I had a venous thrombosis, between medicines, visits, surgery and the period in hospital that I did, I only paid 10 € for a cream for a minor side effect due to the therapy, one of the medicines I was taking was syringes that I had to inject myself into my stomach would have cost more than € 100 per box, but being unemployed I didn't pay anything ( I live in Italy)
I live in Sweden and we do not even talk about "costs" or "money" when it comes to healthcare since it is free, We do not have that concept of a discussion.
Just as you do not pay for your weapon, uniform and ammo if you join the army, it is all covered by taxes.
We don´t have free healthcare in Sweden, there is a fee, but it´s pretty low, since it´s subsidiced by taxes.
A doctor's appointment is about 200 SEK (about 21 USD), 400 (about 42 USD) if it´s a specialist, an ambulance or at the ER.
If you need several doctor's appointments in a year, you never pay more than 1200 SEK (about 128 USD) per year. A stay at a hospital is 110 SEK per day.
These are the costs in Stockholm, but it´s similar costs in the whole country, there is no region where it´s totally free.
For children (under the age of 18) and elderly (over the age of 85) it´s free though.
@@Asa...S The 20 USD pricetag is something we have put there to make people not to seek healthcare just because they are bored or something.
@@daarco2 I know that's the reason they give.
I just wanted to make clear that it isn´t free, so people don´t think it´s free, and gets surprised when they get the bill.
And it´s not like Sweden really _have to_ have this cost, since it works in other countries to not have a any cost for seaching medical aid without people seeking healthcare because they´re bored.
10:44
even in Uruguay (South America) public health doctors and surgeons are government employees, the salary law says how much they should be paid.
Doctors don't negotiate their pay in most cases, there are controlled schedules of fees. Healthcare should not be a business. In Australia people become doctors to help other people, not to become rich!
I think it is connected to perceptions of morality. ie: USA has none!
I think it's worth to mention, that the job of being a doctor in Europe is still one of the best paid jobs, even when facing these limitations.
As an outsider it’s certainly viewed that way, have no experience though other than paying $500 for an infected finger and drugs when on holiday in NY. It’s a shame it’s that way and more about profits than patient care. Another great reaction Connor and don’t accept it.
Connor, keep in mind that these kind of videos focus on comparing the US to the UK, which compared to other Eu countries’ health care systems is already bad.
For example, the video mentioned Germany. Germany does not have a system run by the government. The government manages standard, costs and frameworks of insurance companies. They also dictate how much profit each drug makes. However unlike the UK, France or Spain, doctors run private practices. Many hospitals are private enterprises as well.
Imagine the US system, except that every income earner must have health insurance, like car insurance, and the government limits profits by private organizations. They also support them when times are not good. They can do this because of financial transparency requirements.
So you have a stable, for tolerable profit system, which is mostly efficient and effective, allows choice to users and provides without restrictions. There is no in or out of network crap. You are insured, you go to the doc of your choice. The hospital of your choice.
Like anything, there are some minor issues. Like complaints of not enough doctors in the smaller towns.. etc..
But nonetheless, Germans pay less for having the same if not better care than the US, and they live longer. And they are all covered!
In Canada, each province runs its own health care system. In British Columbia, the pay is set via negotiations between the provincial government and the provincial doctors bargaining entity, Doctors of BC. There are two payment models used to compensate doctors in BC.
One payment model is fee-for-service where a doctor bills the government for each service he provides for a patient at set rates established between the province and Doctors of BC.
The other is as a contracted physician with salaried or sessional compensation, also set by negotiation between the province and Doctors of BC. This generally applies to those physicians who work in a hospital or health authority clinical setting.
Doctors in BC generally earn over $250,000 per year with specialists such as a a thoracic surgeon earning almost $600K at the upper end.
Doctors in BC, and in Canada in general, have lower overhead than doctors working in the US. They do not need the office staff necessary to handle the paperwork for multiple insurers since the system is a single payer system. Costs for medical malpractice insurance is also significantly less.
These cost are a joke, I live in uk I’ve had……….
Pelvis hernia age 5
Two broken wrists age 12
Titanium bars put in a smashed elbow13
Open heart surgery age 23
And a brain tumour removed age 35
Never paid one penny for any of it apart from prescriptions for pain relief £7 a drug,no matter wot one all £7 if working or free if on state benefit🤔🇬🇧def better godbless NHS
Not perfect but free😉👊🏻🍻🇬🇧well we pay tax and national insurance so don’t notice as comes direct from wages each month
And I missed out!!! the minor heart attack that led to the surgery🤣in first place 2 weeks in hospital
If you get the time, and have the inclination, watch some videos made by a US doctor working in the UK. She goes over everything and it's really interesting and eye-opening. The channel is called 'Road to the UK'.
Because of another medical reason, I need to have my ears thoroughly cleansed every year by a medical specialist.
With the Corona pandemic scare, I put off going to the specialist for three years, causing my ears to be rather clogged up.
So I called my 'home doctor' (general practitioner) and requested an appointment at the best hospital in the region (a University Medical Center).
No prob, I just had to make another call with the medical center. The friendly assistant informed me the nearest possible date would ber a month later but I pleaded if she didn't have an earlier possible date.
She looked at the the appointments, probably finding a recent cancellation so she said, uh, three days from now?
YES
If you want an anecdote from out here in Europe (France). My father fell from a ladder 2 or 3 years ago, pretty badly, and he's an old guy now, so it was a pretty big deal. They are living in the countryside, pretty far (60 miles) from any city, so moving him to the hospital was complicated.
An helicopter had to come from the nearest city, to take him and transport him to the hospital. In the end, he had 2 broken bones, and a concussion.
Cost of the operation ? Ambulance included ? 0 €.
It's not free, obviously, we are paying that in taxes, but instead of paying an absurd amount when we need it, we just pay gradually all our life, so the day we need it, it's already paid for. That's how insurrances are supposed to work in the US, but they don't, because the laws in the US let them do whatever they want.
It would be nice to see the US change to socialised healthcare. The US is so ludicrously wealthy, that it's healthcare has the potential be the platinum standard. Policing is socialised, so why not medicine?
Universal provision is proved to be the most affordable way to provide healthcare. From the cradle to the grave, we all use it a different stages of our lives, but in the capitalist system there's a hatred of state provision, at cost, when there's the opportunity to provide the same at a profit. That might not to be so appalling a prospect, but for the fact that private medicine companies just go from year to year seeking higher profits, while in a double-act with the insurance companies they fix the prices at a premium tier.
Here in the UK we've just had a couple of years of experimentation in how the private sector can be even more involved in NHS provision and it has been a horrifying experience of excess and greed involving hundreds of political cronies with paper companies being awarded vast contracts that have bypassed any tendering process and thrown away all notions of achieving competitive pricing.
'Yes, but it was an emergency, it was a crisis', we're told. 'There wasn't time for the tendering process'. At the beginning, possibly not, but it soon became very apparent that Covid would be a long game, and the truth was, there WAS the time for a normal process for the provision that was required three months, six months, and nine months down the line.
The bottom line, despite being a national purchaser, was that all our bargaining power was hurled right out the window and we ended up paying top dollar, and so much more, throughout.
This is what was so terrifying about Big Dog (you know who!) being so keen to get his US trade deal with Trump by which we would have signed up for medicine provision contracts considerably in excess of what we pay now. Madness.
Sorry, I didn't mean to go off on a rant, but for the last four decades in this country, so much of what were once state-owned companies have been sold off to the private sector with the justification that it would be more efficient and give better value for money.
Competition was another buzz word, but none of that came to pass.
The current government is more intent than ever to give chunks of the NHS away and introduce forms of charging, but then will come the bitterest part of that deal - we'll end up paying at the point of the use, and still the state, through our taxes, will be building the hospitals and training the doctors and the nurses.
Declaration of interest, kind of: yes, I'm a bit of an old leftie, but I'm not anti-capitalist. I just want to know when it became acceptable for big companies to so shockingly rapacious, profiteering and allergic to taxation.
Brilliantly put.
I was born in a border city in Ontario. My mother went across the border for something or other when when she was like 8 month pregnant. The Border Guard in the US asked her if she was planning on staying more than a month... my mothers response was... no I'm not trying to have my baby in the US I can't afford that I'm only going across for a few hours.
I was dating a woman whose kid got into an accident which cost her a portion of a finger. They took her to a specialist hospital. Called in a specialist and tried to save her finger. Had her in the ICU for 11 days and sadly the surgery didn't work and they had to go back into surgery to take a bit of it. She was in the hospital for nearly 2 weeks had two surgeries. 0 Cost to the mother. In the US they would have chopped of her finger kept her over night sent her home in the morning and charged the mother likely 10k-80k
And Ontario has shitty health care... but it is still way better than the US.
A Doctor in Canada will make between 1/2 - 2/3 of a Doctor in the US. Nurses in Canada average about the same but have lower high and low thresholds meaning more nurses in the US make less than the lowest paid nurses in Canada.
@@Violet-to4qq ya when my ex's kid was in the ICU a nurse was saying he worked in both the US and Canada. The Working conditions are way better in Canada but the office politics are often frustrating to him. (though he was a conservative, but still moved to Canada to work)
An ambulance ride in germany cost me 10€ ($11.26) a couple of years ago. The week in the cardiology ward with expensive invasive procedures didn't cost me anything as far as I can remember.
And why exactly would your health insurance ever be dependent on your employer? You need healthcare weather you have a job or not!
@@jodie01 Absolutely!
In the Netherlands (as in all EU countries) health care is payed by taxes. So if you're sick, you're not confronted with a bill. That's why people have no clue what the costs are. I have been in hospital for 2 months. Had 3 operations. And the only bill I had was for renting the tv ( € 1,50 per day). Even all the medicine and equipment I needed after leaving hospital , were free.
Yes and the income tax is not 60% like many Americans think.
Not really true. Different countries use different systems. In Germany it's technically not a tax. It's a mandatory (membership) fee. Your're allowed to choose on how much you spend by your choice of which insurance company you pick.
Your american dream is your biggest nightmare assuming each individual is equal and everyone could be rich if they worked harder so why should you help each other as 'they' are just lazy and that's why they don't have healthcare or a home. The rest of us realise that the best way forward is to look after all of society and not just think about what's best for me. The irony is that we in Europe/Scandanavia are the least religious and america is the most christian of the developed world but never applies those values in the real world.
Here is my case..I got diabetes two years ago (type 1), otherwise I wasn't too much at the doctor's but mostly everything I need is insured through health insurance..Insulin, night insulin, sugar measuring strips, sugar reading sensors. .I'm not paying anything.
All I need is to simply contact the doctor and she sends a prescription to the pharmacy where I pick up the medication.
And if I have problems with my sugar, I simply go to the hospital to see my specialist and he will accept me and change the therapy or whatever.
And even when I got sick, I spent 20 days in the hospital, I also didn’t pay anything.
Mostly very happy with my health system - otherwise I'm from Croatia
In the UK, our medication is usually delivered same day by the pharmacy. You have to ask if you want to collect
In Canada, there is basically a Union for Doctors that negotiate directly with the government for how much they are paid. Doctors are then paid based on Level of Training (Are they General Practice or a Specialist?), Year of Experience (New Doctor vs Head of Cardiology), and some other criteria. They then bill the government out for each patient they see, surgery performed, and prescriptions written.
That being said, this is what the experience is like here:
When I noticed a malformity and went to the doctor it took only a month to get into a specialist by referral. And then I saw another specialist and a surgeon within the next 2 months. They determined it was cancer. And 8 months after the initial visit it was removed and I am healthy. (It was in 2020, mid pandemic, and I still got into surgery within 6 months) I walked in and out of 4 separate doctors' offices and had surgery in the hospital and have never seen a bill for it. I don't even know what it would cost. Cause it's all covered by our universal healthcare.
I pay around $11-$17 per paycheck for healthcare. And I have no health insurance.