Emulators are literally made to pirate video games, VLC is not made to pirate movies. It is very weird how little understanding or just flat out dishonest pirate boot lickers are.
Nintendo be thinking every download translates to an sale lost when it's just a bunch of data hoarders archiving it in their home server for the fun of it 💀
"It's insane that Nintendo is actually not competing and is instead suing people who are fans of their work". Nintendo's legal team beautifully summarized.
Ah yes, Nintendo is not competing by making single player games in 2024, instead of going with the trend of selling GHZs with microtransactions "quadruple-A" garbage like everyone else does right? What Nintendo did is maybe not very nice, but you guys need to touch some grass too sometimes.
Saying "With yuzu in hand, nothing stops a user from..." Is so meaningless. That's not a claim about yuzu, that's a claim about the availability of pirated software in general. Game preservation is a really important field and if companies like Nintendo did a better job at it, tools like yuzu wouldn't need to exist to fill the gap. (They would and should totally still exist tho).
literally the phrase could be swapped with "With a nintendo switch in hand, nothing stops a user from" and to be fair, it would be the more appropriate use in the lawsuit as you need a nintendo switch in order to extract the keys and actually pirate games
This argument is sooo crap, by this logic one could also say "With a knife in hand, nothing is stopping the user from stabbing random people on the streets, therefore, all knifes are relentless killing tools". A knife is just a tool, just like Yuzu, what you do with it is what is important. This is an argument so badly crafted omg.
Fun Fact Apple has the same thing in some fashion with there Hardware and there have a string/key so that you can not install it somewhere else and Apple cant prevent it.
@@xpmonthere was a case where apple sued a company that sold pcs with macos and in that case is a key/phrase that is part of a hardware module inside all macs so that the macos installation can succeed. Apple wanted to have the case documentation to be Non public so that this key is not public but the request for it to be non public was dismissed. The case was in 2012 or so
@@PpVolto wait so, do I understand this right? Apple got pissed they didn't have the monopoly on selling PCs with macOS, so they did a lawsuit, but BECAUSE of that lawsuit they were legally compelled to publish the secret key that gave them this monopoly? Thus making it so everyone else has it and can use it to make PCs with macOS?? If true, that is hilarious.
@@ilonachan No there have the Monopoly of Selling PCs with macos that does not Change. There didnt publish the key, the key is Part of the lawsuit but thanks to that its Public. Thats why creating a hackintosh is posible and i think there was a other lawsuit over the key but that i can not find.
I've been able to play 2k 60fps (up to 200+ fps) on Yuzu instead of the shity 720p 30fps you get with the switch. Plus, you can play with mods on PC. Nintendo is out of their minds if they expect me to play on an old swich console. I do have one at home, but I would never actually use it for gaming.
@@newsgroupsusenet5486 lucky for me, that's exactly what ive got i've heard the switch hardware was outdated before it was even released (i havent looked into what its got myself tho) kinda dumb that they make a lot of amazing games but try to lock them to a shitty platform
@@newsgroupsusenet5486 I'm running them on my Handheld Gaming PCs which sport 6840U and 7840U AMD gpus at 15W, they run fine on both Yuzu and Ryujinx. I only take out my original switch when it's time to dump new games.
Another point against Nintendo’s claim of 1 million downloads is the fact that during the two weeks the game was shared around early, Yuzu intentionally left the emulator broken for ToTK. If you did not know that the game required a community-made patch to run without crashes, you probably just gave up and waited for release.
Not to mention how do you even quantify that million download claim? That seems too close to the voodoo-guesswork the RIAA underwent to claim losses and numbers of songs / movies pirated, in the P2P era of the 2000s.
@@aureateseigneur5317 That’s news to me. I was an EA supporter back then and can confirm that both the stable and beta branches were crashing. You couldn’t play the game without a fan-made mod that was not scripted or provided by Yuzu. The mods come from the community wiki that Yuzu does not support.
i wonder if ~ a 100 years from now this will all be remembered as just a distant past while people enjoy the newly public domain games from 80's - 2020's
Them copyrighting the Keys reminds me of what they did with GameBoy back then. Where the "Nintendo" Logo on the bootscreen was copyrighted, but the GB would also not start any game that didn't contain that exact logo. Thus making any functioning unauthorized software a copyright violation of the logo.
Also in regards to TOTK on yuzu prior to release, it was NOT playable on both Yuzu and Yuzu EA (the patreon version) until either the day of or day after it officially released. The only way people were able to actually play it at that time was by using a TOTK Fix patch add-on that was also NOT made by Yuzu. Their Patreon probably did double in subs during that period since many people may have thought that EA would make it playable before release or be better optimized for it after release, but as someone who was on EA at that time it did not work and their were many reddit posts that would corroborate this. Would be pretty easy to prove that in their defense. Another thing i want to mention is that the Yuzu Piracy reddit is NOT owned or managed in any shape or form by Yuzu. It even says this in the screenshot they included in their legal filing here. I have been one to purchase any games that i have emulated, including TOTK, but now I'm upset enough that i will vote with my wallet and won't give them another dime. I have spent upwards of $1000 or more on games for the Switch alone.
This should catch more fire than it is currently in the software dev circle. Shitbendo, if successful in their David va Goliath attempt, would effectively be setting precedent for emulation as a whole. Any company which tries to mimic a certain aesthetic or feature behavior to support an old software for compatibility reason would fall under this decision too. NoA needs to loose this case hard not only for the sake of software preservation but also to protect open source initiatives from being bullied.
Honestly, this has only achieved for me to think twice before buying anything Nintendo licensed from now on. I think I have played enough Mario for a lifetime anyway.
I hope Nintendo realizes this is going to have a sort of Streisand Effect. The more they go after emulation, the more people will pirate their games. I'm all for supporting the developers, and buying their games, but if you're going to take down emulators that I use to play my favorite games that I paid for... I'm going to start pirating games I didn't pay for. You are now the bad guy.
I don't think Nintendo will ever be able to completely stop piracy of their games. It's literally impossible, no matter how much money they throw at their lawyers to take it down (like whack a mole situation there).
@@HShango They VERY EASILY could stop 'piracy' of their games; they offer a first party emulator for all platforms and sell the roms on their store/as aprt of the store for newer releases that are digital anyways. Hell they'd make a fuck ton of money from people wanting to buy the damn games
@TurtleKwitty unfortunately it's unlikely. Nintendo stopped at their N64 emulator and haven't even jumped to GameCube yet. That's just on switch alone
No one even remembers how yuzu couldn't manage to run totk before release. People had to play it on ryujinx (with beast-like PCs) up until the depths where it frequently crashed. Only at some point some modders developed a patch (the yuzu-fix) to run it before release.
It'll probably come down to whether simply providing tools that allow for decrypting the games as part of an emulator is circumvention or whether supplying it with the key is necessary to count. It's not clear what legally counts as circumvention. You and me would probably argue that circumvention is finding a way to bypass the encryption without already having a key, but that doesn't seem to be settled law.
The law pretty much sounds like whether you have the keys or not. You need Nintendo's authorization to do it. The keys aren't the point. It is the action. What happens when you have the keys? What does Yuzu do? It DECRYPTS the game at runtime.
@@switchitup3709Thing is we don't need Nintendo's authorization. There's a line within the DMCA if I remember correctly, that explicitly states that there is an exception for interoperability. For yuzu to run switch games. Yuzu requires nintendo's firmware, and the keys. However, that's Nintendo's, so yuzu doesn't include it, you have to dump it. Meaning, if I had to arm chair this, yuzu is filling exactly that position of interoperability, without containing any of nintendo's work included/copyright issues. It relies on Nintendo's work, but it demands the user to supply it.
@@switchitup3709To give an example of how stupid it would be. This would be like microsoft going after qemu/libvirt/virtualbox, because virtualbox can run windows. Or apple going after those samethings, because it can run mac os. When mac os explicitly has checks to prevent it from running on a non apple machine.
@isaiahkern9434 I don't know about the firmware but the keys is what I saw. Now, if it does requires Nintendo firmware. Then yeah, they will be in a world of trouble.
what happened? Been following emulation for years, I don't remember what the problem was...other than Bowser in jail/or fined the size of the mushroom kingdom.
@@AdmiralBison Team Xecuter was behind the Gateway3DS, the first real 3DS flash cart break into the market. Along with it being fairly closed down and not actually pushing the scene forward other than to get people playing ROMs for the most part, people who attempted to write custom firmware for it to open it up along with other companies cloning their cart and using their firmware got their 3DS systems bricked intentionally by Xecuter’s actions. The 3DS hacking scene never really popped off in a more healthy direction until Smealum unleashes the Cubic Ninja exploit for everyone to use.
So it sounds like your reasoning on prod.keys is similar in nature to DVD-CSS decryption, only in this case, they're not even facilitating a publication of a private key that's a part of the software, but that's uniquely generated per system/game. That would be effectively making any randomized string of text copyrighted, which seems... odd, but not outside the bounds of copyright law. You could argue, by that logic, any piece of software could theoretically generate their "copyrighted work". That doesn't feel like that holds legal muster though.
If Yuzu was to blame for all those pirated copies pointing to Yuzu for playing the game then Microsoft is to blame for all of this mess because Yuzu points to Microsoft (for the Visual C++ 2022 runtime) in order to run Yuzu.
If you keep reading the lawsuit filing, it explicitly says that what nintendo is trying to take down the Yuzu team for is that they link to lockpick on their website (the program used to dump your prod.keys from a hacked switch). A few months ago nintendo attempted to get lockpick taken off of github entirely, seems nintendo knows that they're not gonna win taking down emulators itself, so going after everything required to make a emulator usable legally.
which is even more stupid since while it breaks Nintendo's TOS (meaning that say. they can ban your system, ban your account. Prevent you from buying new digital copies. block online) there isn't anything that is explicitly illegal about dumping your own stuff for your own use. Which is exactly what yuzu, pcsx2, melonds (for best functionality) require you to do.
Why doesnt Nintendo go after Ryujinx? I'm sure the Yuzu team knows this. Nintendo is reaching. This would be a good video for Yuzu to use in court. Great video! 👍
They haven’t monetized it in the sense of selling it as a product. Donations in open source projects has been a thing since blender was open sourced back in 2003
I didn't know about this Bowser person of his Xecutor company, it's good to learn this. You're right, if they were doing that stuff Nintendo was right to make them eat dirt. I hate this happened to Yuzu though. I've got a lot of Switch games on my shelf. I still have a good amount of my 3ds games, too. I'd like to be able to play those games while traveling to visit my parents, or going to my brother's house, without having to carry around 15-20 games that are my favorites and choosing which one to put into my Switch. Those are tiny carts, and if I lose the case they're in, that's potentially $1000 or $2000 worth of software. My nephew had about 10 or so games stolen from him when he was just a little kid, and that's a lot of money that's just gone because even though he's sad about it, his parents can't just go out and get all new ones. That's way too expensive. You're also right about games we paid for just vanishing anyway. Nintendo shuts down eshops, and I had the Theatrythm games for my 3DS, but at the time Square Enix also released it on the Ipad store. I remember being away from my 3DS once and wanting to play, so I downloaded the game and maybe over time, less than $20 worth of songs on the ios store. Not too much money, but it was a great distraction while I didn't have my usual set up. Well I go to download it again on my new iPad a while later and I found out the game was completely delisted. I can't get the game again, and even on the old iPad where it was still installed, all the songs I paid for were gone. I was furious So yeah, I love emulation, especially since we're going into this world of digital only. Until companies can guarantee that I always have access to the thing I bought, or even stop overcharging for it since 30 year old games should not cost $10-15, I've got zero guilt about emulating old or new software whenever possible
It wasn't the Switch Emulation they went after, it was the group making $$$ of their works.. Yuzu had their Patreon and was actively supporting piracy in their Discord... they painted their own target on themselves... If it was about the Switch emulation, they would've went after Ryujinx at the same time.
ryujinx also has a patreon, in fact most emulators do. it is so people can *optionally* give money to the devs for their work on the emulator, key word *optionally* because you are not forced to pay anything for the right to use the program or use any of it's features. they are not distributing nintendo's games or switch bios' without their permission, only the base emulator itself, which is entirely their own work and code not affiliated with nintendo. the devs could geniunely put copyright protection on their software if they wanted to but they don't to keep it open source so anyone can modify it and make the emulator better. nintendo is being needlessly militant. rather than reaching out to the devs of yuzu, they took them to court and shut them down. hell, if the rumors are true and the next nintendo system has switch backwards compatibility, wouldn't it be more resourceful to make a deal with the yuzu devs and incorporate their emulation into the system rather than spend a stupid amount of money making one from scratch that will likely be inferior or spending a needless amount of time in R&D to get switch software to run properly? sony used pcsx, a fan emulator, on their playstation classic console, and whilst it didn't run properly on their hardware, it still shows that emulators are a useful, cost effective and time saving measure to get old games working on newer systems. furthermore, pcsx was developed in 1999, when the ps1 was a current player in the console space, so the switch being a current system is an invalid argument also. point is, this isn't about piracy. even if yuzu enabled it, they're still in the right because the team themselves are not responsible for the piracy of switch games. a ds with an r4 card can enable piracy, but it can also enable homebrew and external settings to add new features to games. it's years upon years of free labour keeping games playable in the best condition, adding customisability through mods and re-enabling features lost to time such as online play, all gone down the shitter because the highly profitable mega company doesn't want to lose another darling investor, even when it could benefit them the most. edit: i can't really say anything about them promoting piracy in their discord server because i was never a part of it. i have no need for a switch emulator as i have a switch of my own (though in most cases i would get a better experience out of an emulator than the switch due to how borked the infrastructure is). even so, i would actively support piracy myself if i was being bullied by a big corporation with deep pockets.
Hmmm.... interesting to copy-write a series of numbers. What is they were stored in base16, are they then different numbers and thus not protected? What if they are stored all incremented by 2, then when used is decremented by 2?
what i hate most about the nintendo digital store for the wii (u) was the blocking of certain games if you are from europe and the terrible 50hz pal ports. Then there was also some time ago how the n64 games on switch were not working properly (and the wonder why people use emulators).
Excellent video. I think it's important to also note that Nintendo Online uses emulation to run older games for the NES, SNES and so on. Therefore, their definition stating that emulators are 'pieces of software designed to unlawfully run pirated game software on general-purpose computing devices' falls flat on its face. Additionally, I believe Nintendo inadvertently perpetuates the emulation scene simply by releasing underpowered hardware. Most (if not all) emulators based on Nintendo consoles are very capable of running the games much better than the actual console itself. People want to play and experience games like Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom in full 4K/120fps-- *_not_* the Switch's gimped 1080p max resolution at 30fps. We can even go further by bringing in all the hardware flaws like e.g. Joycon drift (which Nintendo refuses to take responsibility for), console warp, and outdated Nvidia hardware from 2015 (nearly a decade old). People running emulators will never have to worry about problems like that, while at the same time, can also get a much better gaming experience.
What source code was stolen? Also, charging for patches or mods is completely normal. It happens in the PC space all the time. But yeah, Nintendo fans are just massive corporation simps. You guys just love to be treated like sewage. Severe Stockholm Syndrome.
Nintendo should probably be more concerned about the security of the Switch predecessor than shutting down emulation of a console that’s supposed to be at the end of its life-cycle this year. Does Nintendo think that they can shut down an emulator that’s had 6 years worth of updates?
@@Graminipretty much 😂 lol Hell the ps4 is a swooped up ps2 that Sony didn’t even wanna unleash the ps2 emulator they had built in on the console from day one😂 It took modders to unlock the ps2 sandbox to get ps2 games working on ps4 & now on Ps5😂
@@Graminimind you the Switch 2 is pretty much a Tergra chip on steroids 😂 Just like that Wii was a GameCube on steroids 😭 the Wii U was a Wi & GameCube On Nuclear Hazardous material lol
i think "cryptographically signed" is the wrong term , if it was a "signing" (i.e. append an encrypted hash of the content at he end) then you could just write an emulator hat skips signage verification
Going after the emulators is a bit dumb. I would totally buy them out and go after rom sites, if I were Ninetendo. How many different ways can you create an emulator? Probably more than I realize...
@@Cade_The_Squirrel Right it settled out of court because the Yuzu developers knew they fucked up and where dead to rights. Nintendo didn't get laughed out of court because their Lawyers are so on point they didn't even have to go to court. Can't get laughed out of something you won before the game even started.
By nintendo's logic, all PCs, laptops and even macbooks should also be illegal, as they enable low-level unguarded access to files that are a part of whatever software and therefore enable and promote piracy. Like, come on...
Nintendo could solve many of its emulation woes by just porting their games on PC. Yeah, sure they may have to pay Steam and GOG a cut, but it's better than having zero cuts..may even get double dip game sales. Gamers who have a PC and Switch.
It's really cool to see devs support Switch emulation. People laugh about the preservation argument, but it is entirely valid, and it's already in effect as multiple Switch games have been delisted. Most notably, Minecraft Legacy. Outside of that, I should have full autonomy to play my games that I bought however I damn well please. Xenoblade being 720p30 on Switch fucking sucks.
since I still have both Citra and Yuzu installed I'll as some point back up the folders since without the version of Citra I have I can't replay Luigi's Manion 2 (when they were working on VUlkan LM2 became WAY better to play and the game database wasn't ever updated from bad to perfect) and it's due to a part of my 2ds that is broken and don't have the funds to get a new 3ds xl or to even get it fix and besides with Citra that had the programmed Vulkan renderer where basically I didn't have the need for the upcoming remake of LM2 since I can bump up the internal res and that basically remastered it.
I know it's not easy or feasible, but stop supporting these companies, make them obsolete. ToTK was my last nintento purchase. I'm done with them. ps. which I didn't play on switch (framedrops), refused to refund me ("digital sales are not refundable" even in EU), thanks to yuzu I tried it for 4-5h at least (didn't like it, but that's just me).
Remember, 90% of Emulation is for outdated games that the devs wont rerelease, put on their downloadable stores, or remake. If i want to emulate PokeRed/Silver, Armored core 3, Dragon Seed, Duke Nukem Time to kill, by god im going to. If they would just somehow make them work on PC for download for MSRP, i would 100% buy it.
I get that the Yuzu devs felt pressures to make a statement, but they didnt have to throw the entire emulation community under the bus. "We hope this will be a small step forward in ending piracy of all copyrighted works." - Yuzu 😢
They're a lot like the car companies, they print a bunch of consumer grade goods and then they want to keep doing that with the next iteration rather than continue to provide the old game, version etc. What would the world be like if Nintendo was still making NES with a lower production number concept. Same for all of their hardware and games? Did they ever consider doing this or consider that this is part of the reason why people do this, there is nothing wrong with preserving and old car, video game console or making components or things for those more easily accessible for people.
I think if it wasn't the Switch, they wouldn't give a damn. But because it's their most current and most profitable console to date, they'll track it down. There are going to be other emulators out there, but Yuzu is probably a good example that Nintendo is out on the prowl. You guys will survive. I think at it's worst Nintendo is being overly protective of it's IPs and games when it's already made millions.
If you replace each appearance of "yuzu" for "nintendo switch" in the lawsuit you have a more proper wording... But I doubt nintendo wanna be held liable
I don't know if anyone else agrees, but I don't think that they should be able to lock the games that we buy behind a copyrighted key. If it requires that key to enable us to play them on our computer or any other device and we've legally bought the game, then they should have no say in us using it to play the game.
People think they actually went after yuzu because yuzu does have a patreon where you can get the newest best version of yuzu, if they didn't have that they could've easily fought the lawsuit, but at the same time they wouldn't have the funds to actually fight it so it's kinda a lose-lose situation.
As far as I know, the dolphin stuff was not a dmca takedown. There was nothing legal involved. Valve just asked nintendo if it's OK, and Nintendo told them no, and why they think it's not OK. Which valve then forwarded to the dolphin team, and told them to find a compromise with Nintendo if they want to be on steam. It's also not just about the key, it's about handling the encryption in general, which is also one of their arguments against yuzu. Don't get me wrong, I don't like what Nintendo is doing, but we need to stay at the facts.
(probably EU) should pass some law to have companies open source (or something) their stuff once the company closes. also, 70 or god knows how many years of copyright when 5 years is enough to be "ancient stuff" in the internet... well...
@@Gramini not sure how many games need an internet connection in switch, but so many PC games are completely lost because the company closed and you need a server running to do anything there.
Emulation isn't illegal in places like Brazil , it's perfectly legal , hence why the Ryujinx switch emulator is still available to download and hasn't been taken down , because the Devs are based in Brazil
I like the first point about still buying it after the fact, however those of us who do that are in the minority and that's the problem with it. Not saying Nintendo is right here, they're stretching so hard I'm surprised they didn't pull a muscle. But the issue is a real one. Though they're wrong about Yuzu providing keys, I had to extract the keys from my Switch like most others do/did, I know some people don't, but Yuzu didn't provide those at all. They may have profited on it via patreon and the like, but aside from that, they didn't even try to promote piracy. That said, I still have the latest version of Yuzu installed and will continue to emulate my physical collection of games on it because I paid for them and want to enjoy them as best as I can.
To be completely honest, I still wonder why people continue supporting Nintendo's lunacy. The issue is that they're pushing FOMO, if your console from 20 years ago dies - tough luck, you can't use the games anymore, because all other consoles are also dead and cannot be used. Emulator devs will continue to make their own software to support the old consoles, update it, keep it going, and, most of the patches and availability, compatibility, etc., support from Yuzu was actually community made. Nintendo, you can't sue the world. Try it. I dare you.
Also, yes Nintendo CAN copyright code and have won a case proving that. See Nintendo vs Atari Games (Tengen) case with the 10NES code which they illegally optained and got made a direct copy of it to make their unlicensed carts work and got slapped down IN COURT over it. I see Nintendo winning this battle. They wouldn't win if they weren't taking money from Patreon and also showing people how to hack their swtich to obtain the keys. It is like me showing someone how ti rob a bank which makes me a accessory to the crime.
You invalidated your argument completely. You admit to pirating the game before release. It does NOT matter if you bought it later. Also, it is legal to back up your games.... but you CAN'T break the encryption to do it. That has been stated in law before. Also if you want to play the backk up copy YOU have to dump your OWN copy to do it legally again without breaking the encryption which you clearly DID NOT DO. I am not on Nintendo side here. But don't be spouting your moral superiority here when you clearly weren't moral at all.
"but you CAN'T break the encryption to do it" - That's correct. You literally cannot. That's why encryption is *not* broken here. It's decrypted in the intended way: by using the keys.
Honestly, I grow tired of being treated like a criminal by companies when I purchase their products. I never bothered to hack my switch until this lawsuit because when I buy something in the U.S., I'm going to do with it as I please. For them to think they can come into my home and control how I use my own things is absurd. I would bet that this is a first amendment issue since yuzu hasn't done anything illegal. It isn't a crime to tell somebody how to do something in the United States
If there security features were sophisticated. How come they got hacked. Nintendo could do what Gaming companies do and just make there hardware more powerful. So it be a while before the system is emulated.
This topic is pretty complicated. I'm actually kind of surprised it sounds like you admitted to using the leaked rom of Zelda only to qualify it later saying you purchased it and recommended it to others. What if you hadn't done either of those things? What if you cancelled a pre order afterwards? How could Nintendo be certain you would buy the game? Sure they may not have interest in selling some games in the near future. But what if they do eventually? The existence of emulators, you might claim, could cause damages in the future. Look at the Nintendo Switch Online service. Sure it's not a great service, but it is a legal way to play those games in exchange for money. If someone emulates those games they are getting around that paywall and causing damages (assuming they would have payed otherwise; admittedly this is something we could never know). So I just think this topic is a bit more nuanced than many people give credit.
In this case I would say Nintendo is the one at fault for leaking their software before launch like the dumbasses they are. I see this situation as: we fucked up and we need someone to pay the bill for us.
I use Yuzu and they didn't do anything but scare people. They don't scare me and I will continue to support them even though the Old Man died. I like their work. I buy my games. I have every right to Emulate a lot of Nintendo stuff. A LOT!!!!! and I do. The files are never going away. APK's and the PC File along with the Latest Firmware Updates will never be gone neither will their KEYS and Games. If someone wants to be a dick and steal they can but I pay. I Emulate everything I own but I support the industry. We can all be jerks I guess.
You know... Nintendo could try selling there games on pc like sony and microsoft. Some people will buy your games but don't want to buy your console that will become broken and obsolete. Oh. And a real sale on your games could go a long way. Still charging full price on games that released with your system is a large problem. Still asking $55 at my local walmart for tloz: botw. Really?
not to be that one guy that has to correct everything but yuzu cannot be ran on MacBooks. that is where Ryu jinx comes in, is an emulator programmed in c# and because of that it makes it really easy to Port over as yuzu is coded in c++
Pirates are being bad people again and we need to talk about it. The """preservation""" is so bad faith it's insane. Emulators are piracy software made by vad people who hate developers and the industry at large. Something like this NEEDED to happen. The ninjas🥷are saving gaming. This will be amazing for Pokémon because of how beyond corrupt the community has gotten. Hopefully, this goes to trial so the ninjas🥷can set a new updated legal precedent. Then more developers can effectively protect their software from these awful bad actors. Lastly, that glazing over dolphin was downright gross. Do better, be better, improve as a person.
That's not automatically what emulators are? If that's the case I'd be considered a pirate by playing Super Mario Bros on Switch Online. I'm emulating the game am I not? I agree with the rest of your point though
I'm not even sure if your rant is misinformation, fallacy or a lie. Choose a thing I guess. However, I agree that developers should be able to protect their software from bad actors like patent trolls or big bad companies like Nintendo or Sony.
Explain to me how to play Panzer Dragoon Saga without going broke, then. Honestly, because emulation makes piracy so easy, it at least _alleviates_ the cost of retro games. If not for emulation, I can guarantee you games like Panzer Dragoon Saga would cost upwards of $20K. Retro gaming in general would only be something the ultra rich could partake in.
Lolz i disagree, it was a latest console thats why i think it is appropriate to crack it down while if its a older i mean 2 gen down i think it would be unfair to take it down
If Nintendo cares about piracy / emulation they need to follow Microsoft's lead and release their games on pc and enable cross play... Emulation for Xbox is almost dead because of it.
YUZU IS DEAD. Made a video about the greater history and legal repercussions here ruclips.net/video/Vekbu86BFUs/видео.html
I've seen a dozen videos on this topic, but it's nice that you're drawing attention to it too!
i mean its still on the arch linux user repo
the early access builds
so the last build is like march 1st 2024
By Nintendo's logic vlc is also promoting piracy because people use it to watch pirated movies
lmfao
Don't give them ideas.
Inb4 UMPs become illegal.
Next "Computers are illegal"
Emulators are literally made to pirate video games, VLC is not made to pirate movies.
It is very weird how little understanding or just flat out dishonest pirate boot lickers are.
Nintendo be thinking every download translates to an sale lost when it's just a bunch of data hoarders archiving it in their home server for the fun of it 💀
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also, many of these ROMs aren't available to buy anymore because Nintendo has shut down their stores
Lol yall delusional, especially Theo with his "knowledge" and bs "muh it's ok bc I bought the game too"
@@anonymuzz5102cope
This
If buying isn’t owning then piracy isn’t theft.
Specially when they are not selling themselves they can't really claim loss
Preach brother.
You can believe this but it doesn't make it true unfortunately
I get the sentiment but it's in the fine print that you aren't buying to own, though.
@@polarbear1713 Then they need to call it a "permanent rental"-- not "buying".
"It's insane that Nintendo is actually not competing and is instead suing people who are fans of their work". Nintendo's legal team beautifully summarized.
Ah yes, Nintendo is not competing by making single player games in 2024, instead of going with the trend of selling GHZs with microtransactions "quadruple-A" garbage like everyone else does right? What Nintendo did is maybe not very nice, but you guys need to touch some grass too sometimes.
Nintendo does many dumb things. People were streaming their games giving them free advertisement, then they got greedy and wanted a cut.
@dmcoub78 Thats completely irrerelevant to the subject being discussed.
Never forget what Nintendo did to emuparadise. Unforgivable.
I am a little bit upset too but Nintendo did nothing wrong.
@switchitup3709 lmfao nintendo fanboy
Not just Emuparadise, but LoveRoms and may other emulation/Rom websites as well, as well as 1ficher and Mega back in 2020/2021.
@@switchitup3709 legally but not morally
Why? Nothing of value was lost. Plenty of better ROM sites that aren’t riddled with ads
Saying "With yuzu in hand, nothing stops a user from..." Is so meaningless. That's not a claim about yuzu, that's a claim about the availability of pirated software in general.
Game preservation is a really important field and if companies like Nintendo did a better job at it, tools like yuzu wouldn't need to exist to fill the gap. (They would and should totally still exist tho).
literally the phrase could be swapped with "With a nintendo switch in hand, nothing stops a user from" and to be fair, it would be the more appropriate use in the lawsuit as you need a nintendo switch in order to extract the keys and actually pirate games
This argument is sooo crap, by this logic one could also say "With a knife in hand, nothing is stopping the user from stabbing random people on the streets, therefore, all knifes are relentless killing tools". A knife is just a tool, just like Yuzu, what you do with it is what is important.
This is an argument so badly crafted omg.
@@SecretX1but it's actually not allowed to carry a knife with you 😅
@@kewa_design I guess that depends on the country, I don't think that this is true where I live.
@@SecretX1 oh I see
Fun Fact Apple has the same thing in some fashion with there Hardware and there have a string/key so that you can not install it somewhere else and Apple cant prevent it.
Can you elaborate, Never had an apple product so not sure what you mean
@@xpmonthere was a case where apple sued a company that sold pcs with macos and in that case is a key/phrase that is part of a hardware module inside all macs so that the macos installation can succeed. Apple wanted to have the case documentation to be Non public so that this key is not public but the request for it to be non public was dismissed. The case was in 2012 or so
@@PpVolto thanks
@@PpVolto wait so, do I understand this right? Apple got pissed they didn't have the monopoly on selling PCs with macOS, so they did a lawsuit, but BECAUSE of that lawsuit they were legally compelled to publish the secret key that gave them this monopoly? Thus making it so everyone else has it and can use it to make PCs with macOS?? If true, that is hilarious.
@@ilonachan No there have the Monopoly of Selling PCs with macos that does not Change. There didnt publish the key, the key is Part of the lawsuit but thanks to that its Public. Thats why creating a hackintosh is posible and i think there was a other lawsuit over the key but that i can not find.
Thanks nintendo! never heard of yuzu before but sounds kinda sick, might try it out!
Actually Yuzu is A LOT better than the real hardware, but you might need GPU 3060 or something like that.
I've been able to play 2k 60fps (up to 200+ fps) on Yuzu instead of the shity 720p 30fps you get with the switch. Plus, you can play with mods on PC. Nintendo is out of their minds if they expect me to play on an old swich console. I do have one at home, but I would never actually use it for gaming.
@@newsgroupsusenet5486 lucky for me, that's exactly what ive got
i've heard the switch hardware was outdated before it was even released (i havent looked into what its got myself tho)
kinda dumb that they make a lot of amazing games but try to lock them to a shitty platform
There's also Ryujinx and 'Stratos' for Android (not sure if that's come out yet)
@@newsgroupsusenet5486 I'm running them on my Handheld Gaming PCs which sport 6840U and 7840U AMD gpus at 15W, they run fine on both Yuzu and Ryujinx.
I only take out my original switch when it's time to dump new games.
Another point against Nintendo’s claim of 1 million downloads is the fact that during the two weeks the game was shared around early, Yuzu intentionally left the emulator broken for ToTK.
If you did not know that the game required a community-made patch to run without crashes, you probably just gave up and waited for release.
Not to mention how do you even quantify that million download claim? That seems too close to the voodoo-guesswork the RIAA underwent to claim losses and numbers of songs / movies pirated, in the P2P era of the 2000s.
That's exactly why they are getting in trouble, they had a fix for the Emulator behind their pay wall.
@@aureateseigneur5317 That’s news to me. I was an EA supporter back then and can confirm that both the stable and beta branches were crashing.
You couldn’t play the game without a fan-made mod that was not scripted or provided by Yuzu. The mods come from the community wiki that Yuzu does not support.
i wonder if ~ a 100 years from now this will all be remembered as just a distant past while people enjoy the newly public domain games from 80's - 2020's
Most of their games are already in the "public domain" if you know what I mean
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Them copyrighting the Keys reminds me of what they did with GameBoy back then.
Where the "Nintendo" Logo on the bootscreen was copyrighted, but the GB would also not start any game that didn't contain that exact logo.
Thus making any functioning unauthorized software a copyright violation of the logo.
Also in regards to TOTK on yuzu prior to release, it was NOT playable on both Yuzu and Yuzu EA (the patreon version) until either the day of or day after it officially released. The only way people were able to actually play it at that time was by using a TOTK Fix patch add-on that was also NOT made by Yuzu.
Their Patreon probably did double in subs during that period since many people may have thought that EA would make it playable before release or be better optimized for it after release, but as someone who was on EA at that time it did not work and their were many reddit posts that would corroborate this. Would be pretty easy to prove that in their defense.
Another thing i want to mention is that the Yuzu Piracy reddit is NOT owned or managed in any shape or form by Yuzu. It even says this in the screenshot they included in their legal filing here. I have been one to purchase any games that i have emulated, including TOTK, but now I'm upset enough that i will vote with my wallet and won't give them another dime. I have spent upwards of $1000 or more on games for the Switch alone.
This should catch more fire than it is currently in the software dev circle. Shitbendo, if successful in their David va Goliath attempt, would effectively be setting precedent for emulation as a whole. Any company which tries to mimic a certain aesthetic or feature behavior to support an old software for compatibility reason would fall under this decision too. NoA needs to loose this case hard not only for the sake of software preservation but also to protect open source initiatives from being bullied.
Honestly, this has only achieved for me to think twice before buying anything Nintendo licensed from now on.
I think I have played enough Mario for a lifetime anyway.
I hope Nintendo realizes this is going to have a sort of Streisand Effect. The more they go after emulation, the more people will pirate their games. I'm all for supporting the developers, and buying their games, but if you're going to take down emulators that I use to play my favorite games that I paid for... I'm going to start pirating games I didn't pay for. You are now the bad guy.
I don't think Nintendo will ever be able to completely stop piracy of their games. It's literally impossible, no matter how much money they throw at their lawyers to take it down (like whack a mole situation there).
@@HShango They VERY EASILY could stop 'piracy' of their games; they offer a first party emulator for all platforms and sell the roms on their store/as aprt of the store for newer releases that are digital anyways. Hell they'd make a fuck ton of money from people wanting to buy the damn games
@TurtleKwitty unfortunately it's unlikely. Nintendo stopped at their N64 emulator and haven't even jumped to GameCube yet. That's just on switch alone
@@90sNath Yes unlikely as things are now but it's such a ridiculously backwards decision on their part to not jump in and have a first party offer
update: Yuzu settled and will now shut everything down
No one even remembers how yuzu couldn't manage to run totk before release. People had to play it on ryujinx (with beast-like PCs) up until the depths where it frequently crashed. Only at some point some modders developed a patch (the yuzu-fix) to run it before release.
"had to" play a leaked game before the release? they just "want to"
There where fixes before TOTK came out. It worked on Yuzu fine.
It'll probably come down to whether simply providing tools that allow for decrypting the games as part of an emulator is circumvention or whether supplying it with the key is necessary to count. It's not clear what legally counts as circumvention. You and me would probably argue that circumvention is finding a way to bypass the encryption without already having a key, but that doesn't seem to be settled law.
The law pretty much sounds like whether you have the keys or not. You need Nintendo's authorization to do it. The keys aren't the point. It is the action. What happens when you have the keys? What does Yuzu do? It DECRYPTS the game at runtime.
@@switchitup3709that means i would need nintendo's authorization to USE my OWN property i bought myself? how can that be legal on their side?
@@switchitup3709Thing is we don't need Nintendo's authorization. There's a line within the DMCA if I remember correctly, that explicitly states that there is an exception for interoperability. For yuzu to run switch games. Yuzu requires nintendo's firmware, and the keys. However, that's Nintendo's, so yuzu doesn't include it, you have to dump it. Meaning, if I had to arm chair this, yuzu is filling exactly that position of interoperability, without containing any of nintendo's work included/copyright issues. It relies on Nintendo's work, but it demands the user to supply it.
@@switchitup3709To give an example of how stupid it would be. This would be like microsoft going after qemu/libvirt/virtualbox, because virtualbox can run windows.
Or apple going after those samethings, because it can run mac os. When mac os explicitly has checks to prevent it from running on a non apple machine.
@isaiahkern9434 I don't know about the firmware but the keys is what I saw. Now, if it does requires Nintendo firmware. Then yeah, they will be in a world of trouble.
Having watched the train wreck that was the early 3ds hacking scene, thank for you for not calling Bowser a saint or even an okay guy.
What train wreck.
what happened?
Been following emulation for years, I don't remember what the problem was...other than Bowser in jail/or fined the size of the mushroom kingdom.
@@AdmiralBison Team Xecuter was behind the Gateway3DS, the first real 3DS flash cart break into the market. Along with it being fairly closed down and not actually pushing the scene forward other than to get people playing ROMs for the most part, people who attempted to write custom firmware for it to open it up along with other companies cloning their cart and using their firmware got their 3DS systems bricked intentionally by Xecuter’s actions. The 3DS hacking scene never really popped off in a more healthy direction until Smealum unleashes the Cubic Ninja exploit for everyone to use.
So it sounds like your reasoning on prod.keys is similar in nature to DVD-CSS decryption, only in this case, they're not even facilitating a publication of a private key that's a part of the software, but that's uniquely generated per system/game. That would be effectively making any randomized string of text copyrighted, which seems... odd, but not outside the bounds of copyright law. You could argue, by that logic, any piece of software could theoretically generate their "copyrighted work".
That doesn't feel like that holds legal muster though.
If Yuzu was to blame for all those pirated copies pointing to Yuzu for playing the game then Microsoft is to blame for all of this mess because Yuzu points to Microsoft (for the Visual C++ 2022 runtime) in order to run Yuzu.
If you keep reading the lawsuit filing, it explicitly says that what nintendo is trying to take down the Yuzu team for is that they link to lockpick on their website (the program used to dump your prod.keys from a hacked switch). A few months ago nintendo attempted to get lockpick taken off of github entirely, seems nintendo knows that they're not gonna win taking down emulators itself, so going after everything required to make a emulator usable legally.
which is even more stupid since while it breaks Nintendo's TOS (meaning that say. they can ban your system, ban your account. Prevent you from buying new digital copies. block online)
there isn't anything that is explicitly illegal about dumping your own stuff for your own use. Which is exactly what yuzu, pcsx2, melonds (for best functionality) require you to do.
Why doesnt Nintendo go after Ryujinx? I'm sure the Yuzu team knows this. Nintendo is reaching. This would be a good video for Yuzu to use in court. Great video! 👍
Yuzu shouldn't have monetized it. Nintendo shouldn't release 20fps crap. I own a switch and own totk but running on yuzu is a better experience.
They haven’t monetized it in the sense of selling it as a product. Donations in open source projects has been a thing since blender was open sourced back in 2003
I didn't know about this Bowser person of his Xecutor company, it's good to learn this. You're right, if they were doing that stuff Nintendo was right to make them eat dirt. I hate this happened to Yuzu though. I've got a lot of Switch games on my shelf. I still have a good amount of my 3ds games, too. I'd like to be able to play those games while traveling to visit my parents, or going to my brother's house, without having to carry around 15-20 games that are my favorites and choosing which one to put into my Switch. Those are tiny carts, and if I lose the case they're in, that's potentially $1000 or $2000 worth of software.
My nephew had about 10 or so games stolen from him when he was just a little kid, and that's a lot of money that's just gone because even though he's sad about it, his parents can't just go out and get all new ones. That's way too expensive. You're also right about games we paid for just vanishing anyway. Nintendo shuts down eshops, and I had the Theatrythm games for my 3DS, but at the time Square Enix also released it on the Ipad store. I remember being away from my 3DS once and wanting to play, so I downloaded the game and maybe over time, less than $20 worth of songs on the ios store. Not too much money, but it was a great distraction while I didn't have my usual set up. Well I go to download it again on my new iPad a while later and I found out the game was completely delisted. I can't get the game again, and even on the old iPad where it was still installed, all the songs I paid for were gone. I was furious
So yeah, I love emulation, especially since we're going into this world of digital only. Until companies can guarantee that I always have access to the thing I bought, or even stop overcharging for it since 30 year old games should not cost $10-15, I've got zero guilt about emulating old or new software whenever possible
It wasn't the Switch Emulation they went after, it was the group making $$$ of their works.. Yuzu had their Patreon and was actively supporting piracy in their Discord... they painted their own target on themselves... If it was about the Switch emulation, they would've went after Ryujinx at the same time.
ryujinx also has a patreon, in fact most emulators do. it is so people can *optionally* give money to the devs for their work on the emulator, key word *optionally* because you are not forced to pay anything for the right to use the program or use any of it's features. they are not distributing nintendo's games or switch bios' without their permission, only the base emulator itself, which is entirely their own work and code not affiliated with nintendo. the devs could geniunely put copyright protection on their software if they wanted to but they don't to keep it open source so anyone can modify it and make the emulator better.
nintendo is being needlessly militant. rather than reaching out to the devs of yuzu, they took them to court and shut them down. hell, if the rumors are true and the next nintendo system has switch backwards compatibility, wouldn't it be more resourceful to make a deal with the yuzu devs and incorporate their emulation into the system rather than spend a stupid amount of money making one from scratch that will likely be inferior or spending a needless amount of time in R&D to get switch software to run properly? sony used pcsx, a fan emulator, on their playstation classic console, and whilst it didn't run properly on their hardware, it still shows that emulators are a useful, cost effective and time saving measure to get old games working on newer systems. furthermore, pcsx was developed in 1999, when the ps1 was a current player in the console space, so the switch being a current system is an invalid argument also.
point is, this isn't about piracy. even if yuzu enabled it, they're still in the right because the team themselves are not responsible for the piracy of switch games. a ds with an r4 card can enable piracy, but it can also enable homebrew and external settings to add new features to games. it's years upon years of free labour keeping games playable in the best condition, adding customisability through mods and re-enabling features lost to time such as online play, all gone down the shitter because the highly profitable mega company doesn't want to lose another darling investor, even when it could benefit them the most.
edit: i can't really say anything about them promoting piracy in their discord server because i was never a part of it. i have no need for a switch emulator as i have a switch of my own (though in most cases i would get a better experience out of an emulator than the switch due to how borked the infrastructure is). even so, i would actively support piracy myself if i was being bullied by a big corporation with deep pockets.
Hmmm.... interesting to copy-write a series of numbers. What is they were stored in base16, are they then different numbers and thus not protected? What if they are stored all incremented by 2, then when used is decremented by 2?
Reminds me of the "Free Speech Flag". Interpreting the number as color information and forming a flag out of that.
what i hate most about the nintendo digital store for the wii (u) was the blocking of certain games if you are from europe and the terrible 50hz pal ports. Then there was also some time ago how the n64 games on switch were not working properly (and the wonder why people use emulators).
Excellent video.
I think it's important to also note that Nintendo Online uses emulation to run older games for the NES, SNES and so on. Therefore, their definition stating that emulators are 'pieces of software designed to unlawfully run pirated game software on general-purpose computing devices' falls flat on its face.
Additionally, I believe Nintendo inadvertently perpetuates the emulation scene simply by releasing underpowered hardware. Most (if not all) emulators based on Nintendo consoles are very capable of running the games much better than the actual console itself. People want to play and experience games like Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom in full 4K/120fps-- *_not_* the Switch's gimped 1080p max resolution at 30fps. We can even go further by bringing in all the hardware flaws like e.g. Joycon drift (which Nintendo refuses to take responsibility for), console warp, and outdated Nvidia hardware from 2015 (nearly a decade old). People running emulators will never have to worry about problems like that, while at the same time, can also get a much better gaming experience.
I am curious to see your reaction after learning the new revelations regarding stolen source code and paywalled patches of totk
What source code was stolen? Also, charging for patches or mods is completely normal. It happens in the PC space all the time. But yeah, Nintendo fans are just massive corporation simps. You guys just love to be treated like sewage. Severe Stockholm Syndrome.
Nintendo should probably be more concerned about the security of the Switch predecessor than shutting down emulation of a console that’s supposed to be at the end of its life-cycle this year.
Does Nintendo think that they can shut down an emulator that’s had 6 years worth of updates?
I think that the successor is so similar to the "Switch 1" that emulating it would also be very similar to it, similar to GameCube => Wii and Dolphin.
@@Graminipretty much 😂 lol
Hell the ps4 is a swooped up ps2 that Sony didn’t even wanna unleash the ps2 emulator they had built in on the console from day one😂
It took modders to unlock the ps2 sandbox to get ps2 games working on ps4 & now on Ps5😂
@@Graminimind you the Switch 2 is pretty much a Tergra chip on steroids 😂
Just like that Wii was a GameCube on steroids 😭 the Wii U was a Wi & GameCube On Nuclear Hazardous material lol
Now it was learned that the devs provided pages of ROMs in his telegram and discord, you should make a rant about this again
@suwietch7783And now what do you say?
i think "cryptographically signed" is the wrong term , if it was a "signing" (i.e. append an encrypted hash of the content at he end) then you could just write an emulator hat skips signage verification
Going after the emulators is a bit dumb. I would totally buy them out and go after rom sites, if I were Ninetendo.
How many different ways can you create an emulator? Probably more than I realize...
They're protecting their bottom line. They're not anti gamer. They're anti people who don't pay for their games but still play them.
On the bright side if Nintendo is laughed out of court this could further protect emulation.
Well that certainly didn't fucking happen lmao.
Yall acting like Nintnedos Lawyers don't know what they are doing is fucking hilarious.
@@aureateseigneur5317 It never went to court.
@@Cade_The_Squirrel Right it settled out of court because the Yuzu developers knew they fucked up and where dead to rights.
Nintendo didn't get laughed out of court because their Lawyers are so on point they didn't even have to go to court. Can't get laughed out of something you won before the game even started.
@@aureateseigneur5317 Nintendo didn't really have much of an argument, but the Yuzu team had been doing some shady stuff.
@Cade_The_Squirrel If Nintnedo didn't have much of an argument the. The Yuzu devs wouldn't have caved. They absolutly have a good argument.
By nintendo's logic, all PCs, laptops and even macbooks should also be illegal, as they enable low-level unguarded access to files that are a part of whatever software and therefore enable and promote piracy. Like, come on...
Nintendo could solve many of its emulation woes by just porting their games on PC.
Yeah, sure they may have to pay Steam and GOG a cut, but it's better than having zero cuts..may even get double dip game sales. Gamers who have a PC and Switch.
Yuzu just lost😭
Save watchtime, use dark reader.
It's really cool to see devs support Switch emulation. People laugh about the preservation argument, but it is entirely valid, and it's already in effect as multiple Switch games have been delisted. Most notably, Minecraft Legacy. Outside of that, I should have full autonomy to play my games that I bought however I damn well please. Xenoblade being 720p30 on Switch fucking sucks.
since I still have both Citra and Yuzu installed I'll as some point back up the folders since without the version of Citra I have I can't replay Luigi's Manion 2 (when they were working on VUlkan LM2 became WAY better to play and the game database wasn't ever updated from bad to perfect) and it's due to a part of my 2ds that is broken and don't have the funds to get a new 3ds xl or to even get it fix and besides with Citra that had the programmed Vulkan renderer where basically I didn't have the need for the upcoming remake of LM2 since I can bump up the internal res and that basically remastered it.
I know it's not easy or feasible, but stop supporting these companies, make them obsolete.
ToTK was my last nintento purchase. I'm done with them.
ps.
which I didn't play on switch (framedrops), refused to refund me ("digital sales are not refundable" even in EU), thanks to yuzu I tried it for 4-5h at least (didn't like it, but that's just me).
"supporting these companies, make them obsolete"
Not your personal army
Your edits are so frequent it's hilarious.
Remember, 90% of Emulation is for outdated games that the devs wont rerelease, put on their downloadable stores, or remake.
If i want to emulate PokeRed/Silver, Armored core 3, Dragon Seed, Duke Nukem Time to kill, by god im going to. If they would just somehow make them work on PC for download for MSRP, i would 100% buy it.
I get that the Yuzu devs felt pressures to make a statement, but they didnt have to throw the entire emulation community under the bus. "We hope this will be a small step forward in ending piracy of all copyrighted works." - Yuzu 😢
Looking forward to the follow up :(
They're a lot like the car companies, they print a bunch of consumer grade goods and then they want to keep doing that with the next iteration rather than continue to provide the old game, version etc. What would the world be like if Nintendo was still making NES with a lower production number concept. Same for all of their hardware and games? Did they ever consider doing this or consider that this is part of the reason why people do this, there is nothing wrong with preserving and old car, video game console or making components or things for those more easily accessible for people.
Also, as per usuall Nintendo going after who ever manufactured the Gun, when they should go after the people who are shooting it illegaly.
I think if it wasn't the Switch, they wouldn't give a damn. But because it's their most current and most profitable console to date, they'll track it down. There are going to be other emulators out there, but Yuzu is probably a good example that Nintendo is out on the prowl. You guys will survive. I think at it's worst Nintendo is being overly protective of it's IPs and games when it's already made millions.
If you replace each appearance of "yuzu" for "nintendo switch" in the lawsuit you have a more proper wording... But I doubt nintendo wanna be held liable
We need an organization that can fight and lobby for us gamers.
It worked in Ryujinx first before Yuzu
I don't know if anyone else agrees, but I don't think that they should be able to lock the games that we buy behind a copyrighted key. If it requires that key to enable us to play them on our computer or any other device and we've legally bought the game, then they should have no say in us using it to play the game.
People think they actually went after yuzu because yuzu does have a patreon where you can get the newest best version of yuzu, if they didn't have that they could've easily fought the lawsuit, but at the same time they wouldn't have the funds to actually fight it so it's kinda a lose-lose situation.
As far as I know, the dolphin stuff was not a dmca takedown. There was nothing legal involved.
Valve just asked nintendo if it's OK, and Nintendo told them no, and why they think it's not OK. Which valve then forwarded to the dolphin team, and told them to find a compromise with Nintendo if they want to be on steam.
It's also not just about the key, it's about handling the encryption in general, which is also one of their arguments against yuzu.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like what Nintendo is doing, but we need to stay at the facts.
5:00: *You are NOT a lawyer.* You have no business whatsoever telling ANYONE publicly what "holds water" (
Good point. Way too many nerds online think they know everything when they barely know what they're talking about.
@@LN.2233yes, like you two bozos.
@@tking2199 you must be stupid
(probably EU) should pass some law to have companies open source (or something) their stuff once the company closes.
also, 70 or god knows how many years of copyright when 5 years is enough to be "ancient stuff" in the internet... well...
Luckily, the source for Yuzu is already open source.
@@Gramini not sure how many games need an internet connection in switch, but so many PC games are completely lost because the company closed and you need a server running to do anything there.
Emulation isn't illegal in places like Brazil , it's perfectly legal , hence why the Ryujinx switch emulator is still available to download and hasn't been taken down , because the Devs are based in Brazil
it won't long till they create a software that reverse engineer the Prod and Keys
I like the first point about still buying it after the fact, however those of us who do that are in the minority and that's the problem with it.
Not saying Nintendo is right here, they're stretching so hard I'm surprised they didn't pull a muscle. But the issue is a real one.
Though they're wrong about Yuzu providing keys, I had to extract the keys from my Switch like most others do/did, I know some people don't, but Yuzu didn't provide those at all.
They may have profited on it via patreon and the like, but aside from that, they didn't even try to promote piracy.
That said, I still have the latest version of Yuzu installed and will continue to emulate my physical collection of games on it because I paid for them and want to enjoy them as best as I can.
Nintendo just straight out sold out japanese graphic engines from 2010 free2play mmos...look at that botw graphics...lmao
To be completely honest, I still wonder why people continue supporting Nintendo's lunacy.
The issue is that they're pushing FOMO, if your console from 20 years ago dies - tough luck, you can't use the games anymore, because all other consoles are also dead and cannot be used.
Emulator devs will continue to make their own software to support the old consoles, update it, keep it going, and, most of the patches and availability, compatibility, etc., support from Yuzu was actually community made.
Nintendo, you can't sue the world. Try it. I dare you.
Also, yes Nintendo CAN copyright code and have won a case proving that. See Nintendo vs Atari Games (Tengen) case with the 10NES code which they illegally optained and got made a direct copy of it to make their unlicensed carts work and got slapped down IN COURT over it.
I see Nintendo winning this battle. They wouldn't win if they weren't taking money from Patreon and also showing people how to hack their swtich to obtain the keys. It is like me showing someone how ti rob a bank which makes me a accessory to the crime.
Wonder how long the MIG switch will last, I archive my store bought games.
From my understanding AI isn’t allowed to copyright anything so how is any program allowed to? Seems like this can’t be copywritable
You invalidated your argument completely. You admit to pirating the game before release.
It does NOT matter if you bought it later. Also, it is legal to back up your games.... but you CAN'T break the encryption to do it. That has been stated in law before.
Also if you want to play the backk up copy YOU have to dump your OWN copy to do it legally again without breaking the encryption which you clearly DID NOT DO.
I am not on Nintendo side here. But don't be spouting your moral superiority here when you clearly weren't moral at all.
It is always moral to pirate Nintendo games though.
"but you CAN'T break the encryption to do it" - That's correct. You literally cannot. That's why encryption is *not* broken here. It's decrypted in the intended way: by using the keys.
Emulation itself is LEGAL pirating games and making profit from them IS
I'm emulating even harder now.
Honestly, I grow tired of being treated like a criminal by companies when I purchase their products. I never bothered to hack my switch until this lawsuit because when I buy something in the U.S., I'm going to do with it as I please. For them to think they can come into my home and control how I use my own things is absurd. I would bet that this is a first amendment issue since yuzu hasn't done anything illegal. It isn't a crime to tell somebody how to do something in the United States
If there security features were sophisticated. How come they got hacked. Nintendo could do what Gaming companies do and just make there hardware more powerful. So it be a while before the system is emulated.
Why do non-lawyers love telling everyone about the law? Too much rant not enough brain.
This topic is pretty complicated. I'm actually kind of surprised it sounds like you admitted to using the leaked rom of Zelda only to qualify it later saying you purchased it and recommended it to others. What if you hadn't done either of those things? What if you cancelled a pre order afterwards? How could Nintendo be certain you would buy the game? Sure they may not have interest in selling some games in the near future. But what if they do eventually? The existence of emulators, you might claim, could cause damages in the future. Look at the Nintendo Switch Online service. Sure it's not a great service, but it is a legal way to play those games in exchange for money. If someone emulates those games they are getting around that paywall and causing damages (assuming they would have payed otherwise; admittedly this is something we could never know). So I just think this topic is a bit more nuanced than many people give credit.
In this case I would say Nintendo is the one at fault for leaking their software before launch like the dumbasses they are. I see this situation as: we fucked up and we need someone to pay the bill for us.
I use Yuzu and they didn't do anything but scare people. They don't scare me and I will continue to support them even though the Old Man died. I like their work. I buy my games. I have every right to Emulate a lot of Nintendo stuff. A LOT!!!!! and I do. The files are never going away. APK's and the PC File along with the Latest Firmware Updates will never be gone neither will their KEYS and Games. If someone wants to be a dick and steal they can but I pay. I Emulate everything I own but I support the industry. We can all be jerks I guess.
You know...
Nintendo could try selling there games on pc like sony and microsoft. Some people will buy your games but don't want to buy your console that will become broken and obsolete.
Oh. And a real sale on your games could go a long way. Still charging full price on games that released with your system is a large problem. Still asking $55 at my local walmart for tloz: botw. Really?
Luckily i own both the steam deck & Nintendo switch. So to me yuzu is not an issue for me, since i don't emulate games.
If you play the retro games on the switch online service, you still emulate games
nintendo will cause another video game crash if they keep suing rom sites for a profit for emulation is not a form of piracy
Fuck nintendo. Hail preservationists.
You should reach out to Yuzu. You'd be a good witness.
A cryptographic key should inherit the legality of its distribution from the content it decrypts. It should never be an IP on its own.
How much you want to bet that Nintendo will actually use Yuzu in some way, much like they did with all the Virtual Consoles on the Wii.
not to be that one guy that has to correct everything but yuzu cannot be ran on MacBooks. that is where Ryu jinx comes in, is an emulator programmed in c# and because of that it makes it really easy to Port over as yuzu is coded in c++
Can't you use Wine (and an x86 emulator for those ARM Macs) to run the emulator?
I haven't owned something nintendo since 94. I wanna buy a switch just to hack it
Aaaaaand Yuzu is gone. It's all gone, Citra too. All gone
Say it with me, the concept of intellectual property was a mistake.
Meanwhile PlayStation Vita fan base is adding constantly to the device
Maybe next time don’t lock your content behind paywalls
yeah. Those greedy programmers who are giving their software away for free shouldn't be allowed to earn money of their hard work!
keep playing old games on emulators even if nintendo sues you for doing it because it is good and the right thing to do
This isn't gonna go well
Pirates are being bad people again and we need to talk about it.
The """preservation""" is so bad faith it's insane. Emulators are piracy software made by vad people who hate developers and the industry at large. Something like this NEEDED to happen. The ninjas🥷are saving gaming.
This will be amazing for Pokémon because of how beyond corrupt the community has gotten.
Hopefully, this goes to trial so the ninjas🥷can set a new updated legal precedent. Then more developers can effectively protect their software from these awful bad actors.
Lastly, that glazing over dolphin was downright gross. Do better, be better, improve as a person.
Exactly and I'm glad I'm not the only one that realizes that as well, Even though I emulate games, some pirates could be extremely toxic as hell
That's not automatically what emulators are? If that's the case I'd be considered a pirate by playing Super Mario Bros on Switch Online. I'm emulating the game am I not?
I agree with the rest of your point though
Is this comment meant to be satire? Genuinely can't tell.
I'm not even sure if your rant is misinformation, fallacy or a lie. Choose a thing I guess.
However, I agree that developers should be able to protect their software from bad actors like patent trolls or big bad companies like Nintendo or Sony.
Explain to me how to play Panzer Dragoon Saga without going broke, then. Honestly, because emulation makes piracy so easy, it at least _alleviates_ the cost of retro games. If not for emulation, I can guarantee you games like Panzer Dragoon Saga would cost upwards of $20K. Retro gaming in general would only be something the ultra rich could partake in.
Didn't the game get leak directly from Nintendo as well 😂
Nintendo just said somewhere that people who download and steal their games have very tiny P P and they love chicken nuggets. Wow, how rude! 😊
0:25 there isn’t a Mac version of Yuzu
Boycott nintendo. Only way to force change
Guy openly admits to illegally stealing Zelda TOTK "Because he likes playing games early". Yeah that's how copyright law works bud.
Damn shame they settled
Lolz i disagree, it was a latest console thats why i think it is appropriate to crack it down while if its a older i mean 2 gen down i think it would be unfair to take it down
great video!
If Nintendo cares about piracy / emulation they need to follow Microsoft's lead and release their games on pc and enable cross play... Emulation for Xbox is almost dead because of it.