I think you'll be happy with them! I just got my new tops to use with them. The Yamaha DXR10mkII and I can't wait for my first gig with the full system!
30 Kilos is way to heavy to be carrying around compared to the ELX200-SP at 19.1 kilos , but the crossover is as something I got to look into as you mentioned the EV doesn’t have a crossover
Hi from Liverpool! Yep, I am hearing you totally! I am a guitar vocalist (with my own backing tracks) but I also worked as a mobile and resident DJ for over a decade or so. Consequently, I always like a system with a bit of balls! I am a big RCF fan, so about a year ago, I bought a couple of RCF EVOX 8 v2's. They are compact and the weight is ok but sound wise, I find they are a compromise. Bang for buck, you can get a much better system with a dedicated sub and top for the same money as a EVOX 8. Thankfully, I still have my RCF 705 mkII subs with a selection of RCF 12 inch tops. I have just purchased a couple of ex-demo Yamaha DXR10's MkI's. I will be hooking them up with one (maybe two!) 705's and see how I get on. Thanks for your video's :-)
Thanks for watching! I hope you like the DXR10's! I just used my DXR10MKII's for a speaking event yesterday and the sound quality was perfect. Everyone was complimenting me on how good it sounded.
That they do! scalability is really an issue. Check out the HK Audio Elements system. It's the only scalable column array I've found but dang you sure do spend money to fully scale it up. I haven't had a chance to listen to it I just saw it at Infocomm.
9:40 - TOTALLY! I had the same issues with EV ELX. I have been turned off of EV since my experience with the ELx series. They sounded very nice but the amp malfunctioned on each one inside of 3 years of weekend wedding use.
Man I Love your Reviews! This one came just in time because i am looking for a sub to pair with a single Turbo Sound IP300 Column Array Top! It is either going to be and RCF 705AS or the Dxs15! The IP300 has 2 6 inch drivers and 4 high range tweeters with 120° dispersion. I am trying to build a single column system that pack enough punch for a 200 person wedding with a 30-70 person dancefloor!
I appreciate the feedback! And I'll say I like the path you are on for your column array. I think you'll get way better bass response by using a dedicated subwoofer instead of buying an all-in-one packaged system.
Hey actually don't mind your detailed videos.. This is an old one but how do you feel about these Yamaha 12" subs after all this time. Did you get 8 of them?
What about the DSX15 MKII? Only 13 pounds heavier than the 12" and likely more dynamic in the lower bass when played loud although the f10 on the 15" is 40hz which is similar to the 12" f10 of 42hz. Its lighter than the Yorkville Parasouce PS15S that I use but the Parasource has an f3 of 45hz so it gets fairly low.
I'm sure the DXS15MKII is good as well. I've thought many times about buying a pair to see what the sound difference is. Spec wise there isn't much but audibly there might be. My issue is that I've been trying to slim down our subwoofer inventory. We had way too many different models. So I'm planning on slimming down to just the DXS12MKII for small to midsize events and then larger events will get the DXS18XLF. Maybe at some point I'll change my mind because I do think a 15" would be nice to have in our inventory... Also I should do a review update now that I've been using these for some time.
@@TheAngrySoundTech That's a good idea to do an update. Not a bad plan having the smaller subs just for small venues and ease of carrying. For me I think I can handle the 15" version weight just as easy as something 13 pounds lighter I have no issue with the Yorkville which is 82 pounds. I just lift it from the car and onto a dolly and wheel it around. I have carried it up stairs and that brings me to the brink of what I can handle. A few rounds of that and I'm gassed! As for the Yamahas if the specs are so close between the 12" and 15", 42hz vs 40hz, 134db vs 135db the 15" might not be worth it. I have to assume that extra cone space on the 15" has to be doing more for the low bass to keep up at high volume but I'd have to hear them side by side to know. The 12" might be the sweet spot between the 2. I've used the Yorkville PS12P a couple times and I wont use it again becuase the 15" blows it away. But in that line I've read and been told by the music store that the 15" is the sweet spot in the Parasource line.
Hi ! Excelent review as allways. Man, cant´t wait for your vídeo whit the dxs18 xlf in action. Im almost ready to pull the trigger and purchase a pair of 18" active subs for my yamaha dsr112´s. What you think is beetter in therms of rage output dxs18 xlf or the JBL SRX818SP ? A friend of mine lent me a "normal" dxs18 for a gig and it is not bad but it was much less than i expected for the size-weight and price ! I´ll wait for your answer. Thanks in advance dude :D
Personally I would buy the Yamaha over the JBL (The JBL has a 3" voice coil instead of a 4"). But the specs between the two are very comparable. They are both in the flagship speaker lines for the companies so you really couldn't go wrong with either one. But also I should note that I've never used or heard the JBL so I do not have first hand knowledge.
Did you try the DXS15MKII? That is the direction I am leaning. I already have a JBL PRX518S (an 18 inch powered sub) and wondering if they will play well together.
I have not had a chance to use the DXS15MKII. I like the DXS12MKII so I imagine the DXS15MKII is even better. But I would not recommend pairing two different models of subs together. If you already have a JBL PRX518S I would get another one or sell it and get two of the DXS15MKII.
Hello. Could you help me decide? Currently I have a Yamaha stagepas 400bt + JBL eon 618S. I don't really like the sound when I connect it to the subwoofer output on the stagepas control panel. The bass of the jbl eon 618s sounds sluggish (to my ears), as if something is missing (perhaps a kick...) I would like a more lively, fast and sharp bass. Now it is possible to replace the eon 618s with dxs12 mk2 In short, in your opinion, yes or no?
The tough thing about the sub out on a stagepas is that I think it auto crosses over at 120 Hz (check manual to confirm) which I think is a little high. I typically prefer a lower crossover point which usually gives a tighter bass response. I don't know if changing the sub will do much towards fixing the sound. You could manually set your sub crossover at 80 Hz and see if it makes a difference. If it doesn't then it might be the sub and switching subs might make a difference. But if it ends up sounding better than it's just the default crossover point of the stagepas system that is the issue.
I was curious about these subs. A few reviews I read (specifically about the dxs 15 mk2) said that they (and other large) subs need to be on and playing for about an hour before they really warm up and "start moving air." Is this true?
There might be some truth in it based on stiffness of the driver? I say this because I live in Fargo, ND and in the winter it can get very cold. I've hopped in my car when the temp has been below zero and my car stereo will fail to produce bass. The drivers are cold, stiff and don't move well. After a bit of driving the car warms up the drivers move more freely and I begin to get full sound. I would imagine this could be the case for new subs or any sub that might be fired up cold. It naturally moves easier and more freely when warmed up. I've never tested this with pro audio subs before but the theory makes sense.
@@TheAngrySoundTech Thanks. Glad to hear it's not something you've overly noticed with your gear. Sometimes I only play music for an hour at a time is all... And if such a phenomenon does exist certainly it's because of the driver stiffness/cold... which is what I imagined - of course we're not dealing with tubes in the amp or anything like that! I appreciate your review on these and the channel in general, there's not a lot of in-depth reviews on a lot of this equipment out there.
Great review my Friend....I would like to know if you have heard the Mackie DLM12s it cost about 1000$ and it's a 2000w speaker but has only "128db" (maybe continuous I'm not sure but specs says peak 128db) and it can reach 35Hz but the price is still 200$ more than the DXS12mkii......so for me something does not @ up......maybe you or someone else has heard the 2 of them and can help me out to know which one is better and louder.......the 47lbs Weight is also very attractive...please help.
I know someone that owns the DLM12S but I have not personally heard them. I would ask to borrow them so I could do a review but I hate to borrow friends gear to make a potentially negative review... So here's what I will say. Spec wise the DLM12S does go 7 Hz lower than the Yamaha. But if you look at the frequency chart it's not an even trail off in frequency response. They do a little manipulation to be able to say it goes down to 35Hz. But the SPL readings are my main concern. 128db vs 134 db. That's 6 db quieter. So essentially one Yamaha can output the same amount of sound as two of the Mackies center clustered together. Putting two subs right next to each other has a coupling effect that will add roughly 6db of output. So two Mackies put side by side would output about 134db. If you have them separated on each side of your table you will get roughly a 3db bump in sound output so only 131db. It's a lot less sound for $200 more and only 7Hz lower. And a manipulated 7 Hz lower. If you look at the frequency response of the Mackie you'll see what I mean. There is what looks like a natural trail off but then a shelf that takes it down to 35hz.
@@TheAngrySoundTech Yes your right my only concern is the 128db ...that's why I said that something doesn't add up maybe the mackie is a watt eater ...(DLM 12s 2000w 128db) and (Dxs12mkii 1020w 134db)....you quote: "I would ask to borrow them so I could do a review" ....I would LOVE to see that review soon to make my Finale decision thanks for your reply and I'm looking forward to see your Head to Head review of those 2 speakers.
I have 4 EV ELX200-18SP subs that I use with my Yamaha DSR112 tops. The subs have an SPL of 132 dB. 40 hz -10dB. My question is would I do better with the Yamaha DXS12 mk2 than my entry level EV subs?
I have the dsr112 and they are way to loud for most subs.... I have the dsr112 with 1 or 2 yorkville ls801p and they work well together. i also own the dxs12mkii and they do work decent but there isnt enought bass to keep up with a pair of dsr112. although i use to use 1 dsr112 with 1 dxs12mkii and it was fine. ive purchased the dxr8mkii to work with the dxs12mkii and it is a better companion. but on most events i use my 2 dsr112 with 1 yorkville 801p and its plenty. if you are trying to save space and time 1 big sub will work well. if you want to keep the brands together. the dxs15 xlf or dxs18 will work better
So I've heard the IG3T and IG4T. Personally I prefer the sound of the IG4T. I do like them and I've thought about buying them many times... I just have a very hard time wanting to drop the cash. We're talking about $7,000 to buy a set of 4 and I'm not convinced you get $7,000 worth of performance out of them. I think you pay a premium for something tall and skinny. I really wish I could test a set out for a month and give a full review on them but so far I can only go by what I've heard from a single stack in a demo situation. I still haven't bought tops for my new system and I go back and forth between IG4T's, RCF NXL44's and the Yamaha DZR315's. I'll probably just go with the Yamaha's because I think they pack the biggest punch but the DB Technologies or RCF's would be nice for some of the theater's I do sound in.
Used 1x of these paired with my FBT mitus 12inch active tops at 80hz xover yesterday. It clipped when playing a bass heavy latina tune (overly produced bass if u ask me) but held up on everything else (funk, disco, house). I want more hard hitting bass though to give the drops theyre due, and at the same time im not a fan of rumbleing 30hz bass. I want a short and super tight bass hitting at 50-70hz. Question is should I stock up on these like ur planing to do, or is there a high quality 15inch out there, mabey with custom dsp, that would be a better choise? (Custom dsp is to lower the db on the lower hz spectrum.)
Hans Kanga I would say no you wouldn’t want to stock up on these. While the stated frequency response is down to 42 Hz that is at -10db.. You really have to look at the frequency response chart to see where a sub hits the hardest. The DXS12MKII hits hardest around 70Hz. 12” subs are good for punchy bass but not deep bass. If you want a sub that’s going to hit hard at 50 Hz unfortunately you’re going to have to get an 18”. My DXS18XLF’s peak hitting power is at about 55Hz. But realistically to get the best of both worlds a 15” is probably your best bet. I still don’t think you’ll get really good rolling sub drops but it will be better than a 12”. If I add a 15” to my inventory I’m just going to get the DXS15MKII because I like the 12” version a lot.
The Angry Sound Tech so I played my first gig with 1x of these with my 12» inch tops yesterday and it was OK. I liked the sound of the bass, but the ammount was lackin where I needed it (on the dance floor). I wonder if the cardioid mode wouldve been perfect for yesterdays gig to get a few more dbs of bass on the dance floor rather than having two in normal mode. Do you have any experience with the cardioid mode on these 12 inches?
@@djdeepkanga1245I might have to do a video on cardioid mode because I think there are a few misconceptions about it. Cardioid mode doesn't work with only one subwoofer. You have to have two but preferably three subs (two front facing and one rear facing). The common misconception with this setup is that it focuses the power of 3 subwoofers forward but that is not what happens. The power of the rear facing subwoofer is used to cancel the rear firing frequencies of the two front facing subwoofers. But in doing so it also cancels some of the front facing frequencies. So essentially you're using 3 subwoofers but only getting the sound of about 1.8 subwoofers on the dance floor. I do not like cardioid mode for this reason. If you want to maximize output of a single subwoofer you need to utilize coupling not cardioid mode. Yes, it is possible to couple one subwoofer... first you need to make sure you have your subwoofer placed on the solid ground (not a stage or a hollow floor). Second if possible place the subwoofer next to a solid wall (preferably concrete). If possible put your subwoofer in a corner with three solid walls (preferably concrete or brick). This will give you three coupling planes and will essentially turn your one subwoofer into three subwoofers. I think I will do a video on this tomorrow to better explain cardioid mode and coupling of subwoofers.
The Angry Sound Tech thanks for the answer... I do know I need more than 1 sub to use cardiod mode though ;-) my main focuse is to get good clean sound on the dancefloor, so if I dont have the luxury of placing my gear where ever I want in a room I was thinking cardioid mode (with 2 subs offcourse) would be a better solution in som instances. I guess my question is: can u get the same SPL on the dance floor using cardiode mode with 2 subs, compared to using them in normal mode? I know both in normal will produce more SPL but a lot of the SPL seems to be directed outside of the dance floor where I dont want it to be. I will try ur placement tips when I have the luxury of choseing speaker placement. Thanks!
What do you think, which one is louder? Your sold Turbosound IQ 15B or the new Yamaha DXS12MKII? I know the one is a 15 inch sub and the other one is a 12 inch sub. But maybe you can tell some of your experiences with the sound of both sub's.
The DXS12MKII is louder but doesn't hit quite as deep. I will say I first bought an iQ15B and wasn't super impressed with it so it's up for sale. I do like the DXS12MKII. I bought one and now I've bought 3 more so I have 4 of them in our inventory. Eventually I will have 8 of them. So I do like them.
There is no noticeable hiss that I can hear. Can't say as I've put my ear right up to it to listen for one. But I have heard speakers where I notice a hiss as soon as I power it on. I have not noticed anything like that with this one.
I had the 12's for sometime and they worked well. I have now sold them all in favor of 15's. I think 12's can be a tad small if you're trying to make a kick drum hit hard or run some thick bass through them. If you know the limitations of the 12's and realize they will get loud but not super deep I think they will work for you. But if you try to push a lot of low end through them they will run out of gas fast. If you have the space and budget for the DXS15MKII's I would do those instead. But you could definitely make the 12's work. If you go with the 12's the ideal setup would be to cluster them together in the center so you get a coupling boost (if this is possible) also running them aux fed so you can just focus on sending the kick, bass and floor tom through them. This would be the ideal solution for maximum output with two 12's.
@@TheAngrySoundTech Thanks man, much appreciate your opinions. Been trying to decided for a few weeks now and I'm not able too go into a store to try them not that that would help much I guess. I will go for a pair of 15" then I think, possibly the EV EKX though. I havnt seen to many reviews but on paper they look the goods, Maybe not as punchy as the DXS you have there but weight and size is a bit of an issue for me since I have a stuffed knee and these EKX's are a little lighter and smaller. Thanks again from the land of Aus !!!
I probably shouldn't be slacking so much on making my EV EKX-15SP video then. lol I just bought one to try out. My reasoning was similar. The EV is about the same size as the the 12" Yamaha but with a 15" driver. It's also lighter by almost 10 lbs. It's rated one db quieter than the DXS12MKII and 2 db quieter that the DXS15MKII. But really one or two db isn't noticeable.
Thanks for taking time to share your thoughts.
I just bought two from Sweetwater for $1400 got a couple Headrush 108 8" 2000 watt tops for small PA in my live room. cant wait till they ship!!!
I think you'll be happy with them! I just got my new tops to use with them. The Yamaha DXR10mkII and I can't wait for my first gig with the full system!
Now it’s time to talk about the DXS15 ii.
30 Kilos is way to heavy to be carrying around compared to the ELX200-SP at 19.1 kilos , but the crossover is as something I got to look into as you mentioned the EV doesn’t have a crossover
Hi from Liverpool!
Yep, I am hearing you totally! I am a guitar vocalist (with my own backing tracks) but I also worked as a mobile and resident DJ for over a decade or so. Consequently, I always like a system with a bit of balls! I am a big RCF fan, so about a year ago, I bought a couple of RCF EVOX 8 v2's. They are compact and the weight is ok but sound wise, I find they are a compromise. Bang for buck, you can get a much better system with a dedicated sub and top for the same money as a EVOX 8. Thankfully, I still have my RCF 705 mkII subs with a selection of RCF 12 inch tops. I have just purchased a couple of ex-demo Yamaha DXR10's MkI's. I will be hooking them up with one (maybe two!) 705's and see how I get on. Thanks for your video's :-)
Thanks for watching! I hope you like the DXR10's! I just used my DXR10MKII's for a speaking event yesterday and the sound quality was perfect. Everyone was complimenting me on how good it sounded.
absolutely amazing work 👏 🙌 👌
agree with you on the column array systems. I would add that they lack scalability and versatility.
That they do! scalability is really an issue. Check out the HK Audio Elements system. It's the only scalable column array I've found but dang you sure do spend money to fully scale it up. I haven't had a chance to listen to it I just saw it at Infocomm.
9:40 - TOTALLY! I had the same issues with EV ELX. I have been turned off of EV since my experience with the ELx series. They sounded very nice but the amp malfunctioned on each one inside of 3 years of weekend wedding use.
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Man I Love your Reviews! This one came just in time because i am looking for a sub to pair with a single Turbo Sound IP300 Column Array Top! It is either going to be and RCF 705AS or the Dxs15! The IP300 has 2 6 inch drivers and 4 high range tweeters with 120° dispersion. I am trying to build a single column system that pack enough punch for a 200 person wedding with a 30-70 person dancefloor!
I appreciate the feedback! And I'll say I like the path you are on for your column array. I think you'll get way better bass response by using a dedicated subwoofer instead of buying an all-in-one packaged system.
Man you know your stuff...Great job...cheers
The best combination is Bassboss bb15 with Dxr10mk2
Hey actually don't mind your detailed videos.. This is an old one but how do you feel about these Yamaha 12" subs after all this time. Did you get 8 of them?
Brilliant review! What settings would you recommend for these with the yamaha dzr12 or DXR 12 tops?
What about the DSX15 MKII? Only 13 pounds heavier than the 12" and likely more dynamic in the lower bass when played loud although the f10 on the 15" is 40hz which is similar to the 12" f10 of 42hz. Its lighter than the Yorkville Parasouce PS15S that I use but the Parasource has an f3 of 45hz so it gets fairly low.
I'm sure the DXS15MKII is good as well. I've thought many times about buying a pair to see what the sound difference is. Spec wise there isn't much but audibly there might be. My issue is that I've been trying to slim down our subwoofer inventory. We had way too many different models. So I'm planning on slimming down to just the DXS12MKII for small to midsize events and then larger events will get the DXS18XLF. Maybe at some point I'll change my mind because I do think a 15" would be nice to have in our inventory... Also I should do a review update now that I've been using these for some time.
@@TheAngrySoundTech That's a good idea to do an update. Not a bad plan having the smaller subs just for small venues and ease of carrying. For me I think I can handle the 15" version weight just as easy as something 13 pounds lighter I have no issue with the Yorkville which is 82 pounds. I just lift it from the car and onto a dolly and wheel it around. I have carried it up stairs and that brings me to the brink of what I can handle. A few rounds of that and I'm gassed! As for the Yamahas if the specs are so close between the 12" and 15", 42hz vs 40hz, 134db vs 135db the 15" might not be worth it. I have to assume that extra cone space on the 15" has to be doing more for the low bass to keep up at high volume but I'd have to hear them side by side to know. The 12" might be the sweet spot between the 2. I've used the Yorkville PS12P a couple times and I wont use it again becuase the 15" blows it away. But in that line I've read and been told by the music store that the 15" is the sweet spot in the Parasource line.
Hi !
Excelent review as allways.
Man, cant´t wait for your vídeo whit the dxs18 xlf in action. Im almost ready to pull the trigger and purchase a pair of 18" active subs for my yamaha dsr112´s.
What you think is beetter in therms of rage output dxs18 xlf or the JBL SRX818SP ?
A friend of mine lent me a "normal" dxs18 for a gig and it is not bad but it was much less than i expected for the size-weight and price !
I´ll wait for your answer. Thanks in advance dude :D
Personally I would buy the Yamaha over the JBL (The JBL has a 3" voice coil instead of a 4"). But the specs between the two are very comparable. They are both in the flagship speaker lines for the companies so you really couldn't go wrong with either one. But also I should note that I've never used or heard the JBL so I do not have first hand knowledge.
@@TheAngrySoundTech Thank you very much for you time and for answer me. Keep the good work in your videos men. You allways do exelent reviews !!
Did you try the DXS15MKII? That is the direction I am leaning. I already have a JBL PRX518S (an 18 inch powered sub) and wondering if they will play well together.
I have not had a chance to use the DXS15MKII. I like the DXS12MKII so I imagine the DXS15MKII is even better. But I would not recommend pairing two different models of subs together. If you already have a JBL PRX518S I would get another one or sell it and get two of the DXS15MKII.
Hello. Could you help me decide? Currently I have a Yamaha stagepas 400bt + JBL eon 618S. I don't really like the sound when I connect it to the subwoofer output on the stagepas control panel. The bass of the jbl eon 618s sounds sluggish (to my ears), as if something is missing (perhaps a kick...) I would like a more lively, fast and sharp bass.
Now it is possible to replace the eon 618s with dxs12 mk2
In short, in your opinion, yes or no?
The tough thing about the sub out on a stagepas is that I think it auto crosses over at 120 Hz (check manual to confirm) which I think is a little high. I typically prefer a lower crossover point which usually gives a tighter bass response. I don't know if changing the sub will do much towards fixing the sound. You could manually set your sub crossover at 80 Hz and see if it makes a difference. If it doesn't then it might be the sub and switching subs might make a difference. But if it ends up sounding better than it's just the default crossover point of the stagepas system that is the issue.
@@TheAngrySoundTech Thank you 👍
I was curious about these subs. A few reviews I read (specifically about the dxs 15 mk2) said that they (and other large) subs need to be on and playing for about an hour before they really warm up and "start moving air." Is this true?
There might be some truth in it based on stiffness of the driver? I say this because I live in Fargo, ND and in the winter it can get very cold. I've hopped in my car when the temp has been below zero and my car stereo will fail to produce bass. The drivers are cold, stiff and don't move well. After a bit of driving the car warms up the drivers move more freely and I begin to get full sound. I would imagine this could be the case for new subs or any sub that might be fired up cold. It naturally moves easier and more freely when warmed up. I've never tested this with pro audio subs before but the theory makes sense.
@@TheAngrySoundTech Thanks. Glad to hear it's not something you've overly noticed with your gear. Sometimes I only play music for an hour at a time is all... And if such a phenomenon does exist certainly it's because of the driver stiffness/cold... which is what I imagined - of course we're not dealing with tubes in the amp or anything like that! I appreciate your review on these and the channel in general, there's not a lot of in-depth reviews on a lot of this equipment out there.
Great review my Friend....I would like to know if you have heard the Mackie DLM12s it cost about 1000$ and it's a 2000w speaker but has only "128db" (maybe continuous I'm not sure but specs says peak 128db) and it can reach 35Hz but the price is still 200$ more than the DXS12mkii......so for me something does not @ up......maybe you or someone else has heard the 2 of them and can help me out to know which one is better and louder.......the 47lbs Weight is also very attractive...please help.
I know someone that owns the DLM12S but I have not personally heard them. I would ask to borrow them so I could do a review but I hate to borrow friends gear to make a potentially negative review... So here's what I will say. Spec wise the DLM12S does go 7 Hz lower than the Yamaha. But if you look at the frequency chart it's not an even trail off in frequency response. They do a little manipulation to be able to say it goes down to 35Hz. But the SPL readings are my main concern. 128db vs 134 db. That's 6 db quieter. So essentially one Yamaha can output the same amount of sound as two of the Mackies center clustered together. Putting two subs right next to each other has a coupling effect that will add roughly 6db of output. So two Mackies put side by side would output about 134db. If you have them separated on each side of your table you will get roughly a 3db bump in sound output so only 131db. It's a lot less sound for $200 more and only 7Hz lower. And a manipulated 7 Hz lower. If you look at the frequency response of the Mackie you'll see what I mean. There is what looks like a natural trail off but then a shelf that takes it down to 35hz.
@@TheAngrySoundTech Yes your right my only concern is the 128db ...that's why I said that something doesn't add up maybe the mackie is a watt eater ...(DLM 12s 2000w 128db) and (Dxs12mkii 1020w 134db)....you quote: "I would ask to borrow them so I could do a review" ....I would LOVE to see that review soon to make my Finale decision thanks for your reply and I'm looking forward to see your Head to Head review of those 2 speakers.
should I do this 12" sub with yamaha 12" highs or should I get 15" subs for my 12" highs?
thank you.
If you're going to have one size sub I would get 15's.
I have 4 EV ELX200-18SP subs that I use with my Yamaha DSR112 tops. The subs have an SPL of 132 dB. 40 hz -10dB. My question is would I do better with the Yamaha DXS12 mk2 than my entry level EV subs?
I have the dsr112 and they are way to loud for most subs.... I have the dsr112 with 1 or 2 yorkville ls801p and they work well together. i also own the dxs12mkii and they do work decent but there isnt enought bass to keep up with a pair of dsr112. although i use to use 1 dsr112 with 1 dxs12mkii and it was fine. ive purchased the dxr8mkii to work with the dxs12mkii and it is a better companion. but on most events i use my 2 dsr112 with 1 yorkville 801p and its plenty. if you are trying to save space and time 1 big sub will work well. if you want to keep the brands together. the dxs15 xlf or dxs18 will work better
what were your thoughts on the DB Tech Ingenia series? What model did you test?
So I've heard the IG3T and IG4T. Personally I prefer the sound of the IG4T. I do like them and I've thought about buying them many times... I just have a very hard time wanting to drop the cash. We're talking about $7,000 to buy a set of 4 and I'm not convinced you get $7,000 worth of performance out of them. I think you pay a premium for something tall and skinny. I really wish I could test a set out for a month and give a full review on them but so far I can only go by what I've heard from a single stack in a demo situation. I still haven't bought tops for my new system and I go back and forth between IG4T's, RCF NXL44's and the Yamaha DZR315's. I'll probably just go with the Yamaha's because I think they pack the biggest punch but the DB Technologies or RCF's would be nice for some of the theater's I do sound in.
Used 1x of these paired with my FBT mitus 12inch active tops at 80hz xover yesterday. It clipped when playing a bass heavy latina tune (overly produced bass if u ask me) but held up on everything else (funk, disco, house). I want more hard hitting bass though to give the drops theyre due, and at the same time im not a fan of rumbleing 30hz bass. I want a short and super tight bass hitting at 50-70hz. Question is should I stock up on these like ur planing to do, or is there a high quality 15inch out there, mabey with custom dsp, that would be a better choise? (Custom dsp is to lower the db on the lower hz spectrum.)
Hans Kanga I would say no you wouldn’t want to stock up on these. While the stated frequency response is down to 42 Hz that is at -10db.. You really have to look at the frequency response chart to see where a sub hits the hardest. The DXS12MKII hits hardest around 70Hz. 12” subs are good for punchy bass but not deep bass. If you want a sub that’s going to hit hard at 50 Hz unfortunately you’re going to have to get an 18”. My DXS18XLF’s peak hitting power is at about 55Hz. But realistically to get the best of both worlds a 15” is probably your best bet. I still don’t think you’ll get really good rolling sub drops but it will be better than a 12”. If I add a 15” to my inventory I’m just going to get the DXS15MKII because I like the 12” version a lot.
The Angry Sound Tech so I played my first gig with 1x of these with my 12» inch tops yesterday and it was OK. I liked the sound of the bass, but the ammount was lackin where I needed it (on the dance floor). I wonder if the cardioid mode wouldve been perfect for yesterdays gig to get a few more dbs of bass on the dance floor rather than having two in normal mode. Do you have any experience with the cardioid mode on these 12 inches?
@@djdeepkanga1245I might have to do a video on cardioid mode because I think there are a few misconceptions about it. Cardioid mode doesn't work with only one subwoofer. You have to have two but preferably three subs (two front facing and one rear facing). The common misconception with this setup is that it focuses the power of 3 subwoofers forward but that is not what happens. The power of the rear facing subwoofer is used to cancel the rear firing frequencies of the two front facing subwoofers. But in doing so it also cancels some of the front facing frequencies. So essentially you're using 3 subwoofers but only getting the sound of about 1.8 subwoofers on the dance floor. I do not like cardioid mode for this reason. If you want to maximize output of a single subwoofer you need to utilize coupling not cardioid mode. Yes, it is possible to couple one subwoofer... first you need to make sure you have your subwoofer placed on the solid ground (not a stage or a hollow floor). Second if possible place the subwoofer next to a solid wall (preferably concrete). If possible put your subwoofer in a corner with three solid walls (preferably concrete or brick). This will give you three coupling planes and will essentially turn your one subwoofer into three subwoofers.
I think I will do a video on this tomorrow to better explain cardioid mode and coupling of subwoofers.
The Angry Sound Tech thanks for the answer... I do know I need more than 1 sub to use cardiod mode though ;-) my main focuse is to get good clean sound on the dancefloor, so if I dont have the luxury of placing my gear where ever I want in a room I was thinking cardioid mode (with 2 subs offcourse) would be a better solution in som instances. I guess my question is: can u get the same SPL on the dance floor using cardiode mode with 2 subs, compared to using them in normal mode? I know both in normal will produce more SPL but a lot of the SPL seems to be directed outside of the dance floor where I dont want it to be. I will try ur placement tips when I have the luxury of choseing speaker placement. Thanks!
@@TheAngrySoundTech You should do a review on the LD STINGER SUB 15 A G3 it goes low and loud for a 15” and it’s only 32kg.
since these are technically consumer grade, Yamaha chose IEC over Powercon. Consumers lose power cords and don't have extra Powercons in the garage.
And they’re the same as old stool kettle and PC cables so easy to buy.
What do you think, which one is louder? Your sold Turbosound IQ 15B or the new Yamaha DXS12MKII? I know the one is a 15 inch sub and the other one is a 12 inch sub. But maybe you can tell some of your experiences with the sound of both sub's.
The DXS12MKII is louder but doesn't hit quite as deep. I will say I first bought an iQ15B and wasn't super impressed with it so it's up for sale. I do like the DXS12MKII. I bought one and now I've bought 3 more so I have 4 of them in our inventory. Eventually I will have 8 of them. So I do like them.
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When you turn on this sub unit. Do you get any hissing or noise? without anything connect to it? Does it sound clean for traditional/classical music?
There is no noticeable hiss that I can hear. Can't say as I've put my ear right up to it to listen for one. But I have heard speakers where I notice a hiss as soon as I power it on. I have not noticed anything like that with this one.
Hello man, do you think 2 of the 12" subs would be good enough for a small 3 piece pub band? Usually 100 or less in the crowd.
I had the 12's for sometime and they worked well. I have now sold them all in favor of 15's. I think 12's can be a tad small if you're trying to make a kick drum hit hard or run some thick bass through them. If you know the limitations of the 12's and realize they will get loud but not super deep I think they will work for you. But if you try to push a lot of low end through them they will run out of gas fast. If you have the space and budget for the DXS15MKII's I would do those instead. But you could definitely make the 12's work. If you go with the 12's the ideal setup would be to cluster them together in the center so you get a coupling boost (if this is possible) also running them aux fed so you can just focus on sending the kick, bass and floor tom through them. This would be the ideal solution for maximum output with two 12's.
@@TheAngrySoundTech Thanks man, much appreciate your opinions. Been trying to decided for a few weeks now and I'm not able too go into a store to try them not that that would help much I guess. I will go for a pair of 15" then I think, possibly the EV EKX though. I havnt seen to many reviews but on paper they look the goods, Maybe not as punchy as the DXS you have there but weight and size is a bit of an issue for me since I have a stuffed knee and these EKX's are a little lighter and smaller. Thanks again from the land of Aus !!!
I probably shouldn't be slacking so much on making my EV EKX-15SP video then. lol I just bought one to try out. My reasoning was similar. The EV is about the same size as the the 12" Yamaha but with a 15" driver. It's also lighter by almost 10 lbs. It's rated one db quieter than the DXS12MKII and 2 db quieter that the DXS15MKII. But really one or two db isn't noticeable.
@@TheAngrySoundTech LOL, yes come on make it hahaha,, Mate what is your opinion of your EV EKX-15sp?