The Ultimate MagnaCut Field Test 2023 | Is It Better Than H1? 20CV?
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- MagnaCut is said to have the edge retention, corrosion resistance, and toughness of the best steels out there. We're putting those claims to the test!
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0:00 Introduction
0:40 Corrosion Resistance
6:52 Edge Retention
10:00 Toughness
11:29 Conclusion and Giveaway
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You can check out the original salt water test here! ruclips.net/video/vyTLcswZT60/видео.html
Of course the MagnaCut outperforms the 20CV in the edge retention test, it had a duller edge to begin with. Edge loss is not linear, it tapers off as the edge angle becomes greater.
Yeah, they both should have been set at 20 degrees for a true comparison.
Since they’re the same company I bet they’re the same angle. I think they should’ve resharpened them though as close as they could to make them match on the edge tester.
I think we would’ve seen the same result roughly anyway
This is exactly why I do a standardized sharpening routing on knives before I test edge retention on my channel.
See Cedric and Ada's page for a real comparison of steels, not this marketing team derived rubbish. Maybe use the brains you were given to understand knives and the steels they are made from and how they will work for YOU, not some douchey BHQ star of today to rig tests to sell the new fire.
Entertaining video, but really flawed methods. Submerged steel rusts slower than exposed, wet steel. And a sharper starting edge will lose ground faster than a not-so-sharp starting edge.
I was thinking the same exact thing
Which I believe was a criticism on the original video as well. Leave those fuckers out in the bushes for a month after salting them up.
This would be a more controlled test. In the bush has no controls. All these steels were done the same so at least it’s a comparison.
I do agree on the edge retention test. They’d really need to be sharpened a few times the same way score testing started to even make it close.
We should have asked you first
Did Larrin say that MagnaCut "rivals H1"? On his corrosion chart, H1 is 10/10, MagnaCut is 9.5/10, and 20CV is 9. Also note that factory edges are not great indicators of ultimate edge retention. They should be sharpened a few times to both ensure angles and get down to fresh steel. Otherwise, good video.
This, they say it's hand sharpened but never mention that it is done with a fast belt grinder that's likely to make it not as hard(From the heat) for the first one or two sharpening sessions(Depending on how much material you take out) and it'll get to the right hardness after that
I like these kinds of vids. It’s making me want to actually invest in the super steels. Sometimes I don’t see them as worth it, but when I actually can see the performance it makes me think differently.
If looking at super steels absolutely do not rule out Vanax 37. Easily an equal competitor to Magnacut and that's a statement
@@christolley4946 Magnacut is a totally different paradigm. It not only has half the chromium yet is just as stainless, it also gets harder, has finer grain structure, and maybe most critically is tougher and thus less likely to fail at the edge. Magnacut is in a class of one at this stage.
Biased to the max… terrible.
I'm actually super impressed with the D2! I expected it to be absolutely DESTROYED - but that wasn't too bad. I'll find rust spots on D2 after being in my pocket for 6 hours lol
Agree
I’ve never found a single one of my d2 knives to rust easily in the past. I swim with them and carry in my waist band in sweatpants playing volleyball and still have never had issues with rust on D2 knives.
Spot and surface rust. That is an easy clean. I find rust on my D2 is like rust on cast iron cooking. Easy to clean, easy to take care of.
Yeah. I'm impressed too
I've had a Kershaw leek with d2 blade for 8 years as my truly every day carry and its never had any rust. I do live in Northern Nevada though and the humidity here is usually in the teens, or on a humid day it may get to 30%.
Another reason they might've got rust on the spine, the abrasive they used wasn't new and had been used on carbon steel and then impregnated the magnacut spine. Honestly I'm impressed with the d2! I figured that would've been pitted and unfixable
Just an observation, it appears that your rust may be coming from liners, pivots, and hardware as none of the blades seem to have rust near the tips ( the most deeply submerged area and most involved in test). Just a thought : )
Yeah, far from good testing procedures. Oh well.
I grabbed one of the Magnacut exclusive White River FC 3.5's. Can't wait to get using it. Well balanced steel.
I don't usually pay much attention to latest greatest super steels, but did order my first knife in MC for the heck of it for fun.
Really cool and entertaining video. Great idea to repeat that corrosion test like the old days.
That d2 really doesn’t look very bad. Lol.
Chinese d2 is insane nowadays. Under 100$ is one of the best if you don’t need lots of toughness
If you do, 14c28n is still better.
It rusted at the edges. Not good.
were the knives de-greased before the corrosion test. you might have only been testing the oil on the knives.
Enjoyed this video. It’s good to see George and the crew found their BladeHQ groove. I do have one request in future videos though. It would be great if these RUclips videos offered sneak peeks into upcoming knife releases. That practice seems to have fallen off the radar completely. Is BladeHQ providing these release notifications somewhere else? If so, where? I haven’t noticed them on Instagram either.
The D2 was very impressive.
I really expected better testing procedures from Blade HQ; This is just another example of how easy it is to manipulate test result to fit your argument or sales pitch..
Cool test by the BHQ team! Think it would have been a little more controlled and just overall better if you guys had removed the hardware and scales and just put the blade in the water solo. Wouldn't have probably caused as much overlap on the surface corrosion that was apparent on steel liners/hardware. Also would have been cool to see a higher carbon content steel, something that isn't stainless/partially stainless just for the hell of it. But overall very cool video, love these testing type of content videos so keep em' coming George and BHQ🤌💪
My fav steel is still a toss between lc200n or cts xhp.
You need oxygen to really form the oxidation (rust) so blades should be exposed to air for a while after submersion.
after using it for about couple months, the edge retention seems to me be more akin to s35vn, i think itll be great as an outdoor knife steel, edc not really, i prefer high retention in edc
Just ordered a BR fin and bone in Magna Cut. We shall see for ourselves soon enough. One of the best kept secrets is where does BR source it's blades from and how good is the heat treat? This knife will not see salt water but it will see beef and pork roasts along with turkey. I did not have a good boning knife for the kitchen and I wanted one that would not take a lot of maintenance. I have good fillet knives and normally use my kitchen knives for butchering deer anyway. White pinecone with natural liners, my brother in law will probably want to cut the turkey up this November.
Would have liked to see one other test. Sharpening. Could have taken the knives that lost their edge; and sharpened them to see how easy is it to get the edge back. Also, could you get it sharper than out-of-the-box?
^agreed
It sharpens very well
At first l wasn't impressed with Magnacut at 60/61 HRC... But after getting some at 63/64 it is definitely my favorite steel I know at 60/61 magnacut should be tougher But my 63/64 seems to be tougher!! Definitely a good bit better edge retention!! For everyone saying 60/61 hrc And 63/64 hrc doesn't make that much of a difference in magnacut It definitely does!!
Hogue Deka is renowned for being much too low HRC / too soft with their Magnacut... amazing it still won edge retention LOL but it shows how good Magnacut is that it's still pretty good even when it is screwed up.
More of these videos please
All looked like light surface corrosion on the blaces. No structural compromises.
All great contenders at different price points. Really enjoying my Dirk Pinkerton Customs Fire Ant in MagnaCut!
Pinkerton is great. I got a Kizer Pinkerton Lancer fixed blade. I love the small handle/big blade combo. Makes it super easy to carry.
I tested a butter knife against my Magnacut ZT 0452CF and the butter knife won based on % of edge retention lost. :)
I love my MC Tactile Rockwall .... Waiting for the BHQ Kershaw 4 Magnacut arrive.
i check that page every single day. phone and email notifications on. lol
@projectfarm You got a nice shout-out. We're gunna test that!
I was there in 1983...water level was a bit higher. Even had a river down Main Street and 13th South in SLC.
Need equal edges too start
... to* start.
I was there in 1983, just a couple of years after the Saltair III opened, and it was in the lake!
Love the channel, guys, but it’s not good for my bank account.
The edges are both destroyed, the percent isn't really meaningful as the edge deterioration isn't linear but asymptotic and not from the same starting point. But I liked the salt test 👍
Exactly what I was trying to say but you worded it better
@@cameroncarlson6901 oh thanks! English isn't my mother tongue so it's not always easy to find the right vocabulary
Actually D2 is considered a stainless steel, just on the lower end of corrosion resistance in comparison to others. Stainless steel is exactly what it sounds like, Stains Less. Not Stain Proof.
Nice shoutout to project farm.
I see you're a man of culture as well.
My favorite, CPM3V!
Wow, I want a couple🎉❤😊
Will you restock Civivi elementum dessert warrior?
Seemed to be a lot of focus on the 'action' for the non-magnacut knives but the magnacut knife was a fixed blade.... Seems like a pretty poor comparison from that perspective. Seems like you'd want three knives from the same manufacturer with the various steels (shouldn't be had to come by these days) and the same style of knife (e.g., folders or fixed blades). Let's compare apples to apples, not apples to pears 🧐. Otherwise, interesting video....
... shouldn't be hard* to come by ...
Good hiding spot👍
Can we get a single edge microtech in MAGNACUT
I need magnacut screwdriver bits. Ph1, ph2, T6, T8, and I guess small and large flatheads
No kidding! I want a MagnaCut file that can hang around in my often wet toolbox without getting rusty. And a ratchet with MagnaCut internals, tough, wear resistant, and corrosion proof.
@@elevationmoto6208 a file would be pretty cool, how about channel locks, crescent wrench, and pipe wrench. And just to make em fancy, titanium handles
I know that I absolutely luv my Demko Knives Magnacut FREEREIGN; it absolutely "ROCKS!!!" Awesome Video! :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
Guess I've seen this episode before with Ben. Haha, just kidding, this test is realistic.I like it
What steels are liners made out of?
Most are 420J
Those coordinates are almost 1,200 miles away... I'm not gonna make it in time. 😅
You've got this! -George
@@BladeHQ I can't get it paused in time to see the damn coordinates.😢😢😢😢 Or I'd be all over that. I'm really close to the lake.
Has anyone figured out where the knives are ?
No Magna Cut Folder? Why
Only sad part is that a bunch of us don't live anywhere near Utah.
The D2 did super great with corrosion considering non-stainless.
Black nitride all the steel. Corrosion is over valued. The edge needs sharpened enough just from use.
Still waiting for the new exclusive Kershaw launch
I dont understand the mention of rubbing the rust off, it doesn't mean the metal it ate away to exist is no longer an issue or anything
Quoting project farm earned an instant like
I'm a simple man. I see magnacut I click.
Dont get too exited about the edge on edge tester ,got the pt 50 for my knifes.
Had to cut a broken reinforced lightning cable so took my magnacut knife ,Actanonverba a100, and got to it, needed 3times at full force to get trough so tested for fun my cheap 8cr15 knive which goesnever below 400 as much as sharpen it and it cut trough like butter.
Then tested all my knives on it ,was curious know, and the supersteels ,m390,elmax ,nitrov and so on failed despite being in the 200 to 300 in the edgeon measure and the ones cutting trough with one go and a bit of force where the " bad steels " , namely 420hc, 440c , 8cr15. , and 420.
So ispend a fortune on that tester to get results in real life who have no rellation to it.
If you sharpened the knives yourself there is a good chance you're not using very good sharpening stones which have trouble removing material from the super steels. Your comment isn't the most eloquent but if I understand correctly you get better sharpness results with soft steels. Try a diamond plate for your super steels.
From different knife makers... Could there be a difference in quality of the steel when labeled as Magnacut?
Yes, maybe the composition of the base steel will be the same, but the heat treatment and edge geometry will matter more than alloy in any practical application and will vary between manufacturers. They sometimes vary between knife models depending on blade length, smaller blades tend to be heat treated to higher HRC.
I really hope we get a Paramilitary 2 and Para 3 in Magnacut soon. I lost my knife at a damn airport and need a new one soon. But I really want Magnacut
Would be great if you guys can reach out to Spiderco for news haha
I believe the PM2 magnacut is available for purchase
@@glassmw9823 Yeah saw they teased it in their reveal flier. BladeHQ has it for pre order but jeez they doing their best to make them as unattractive as possible. That yellow and black scales mist be the ugliest scales ever. Was hoping they would at least have something a bit more premium. Also kinda bummed the Para 3 is just the lightweight version so can't even go and pimp it with some flytanium scales.
@@imopn I think they’ve also got the solid black version, blade and handle, of the PM2. Agree with you on the PM3.
Magnacut beats the rest overall. And that’s what most of us want. We want the best all round material.
"Absolutely destroyed!"
Knife works and rust wipes off...
That D2 is a winner!
Why would you race to complete the testing? Thought the point was to be controlled and try to change as few variables as possible. Oh well. Looks like you had fun though.
In order to test properly................You need to spray the salt/water agent on the blade and then let the blade air dry.......... and then repeat. Letting the blade air dry allows oxygen and corrosive agent to corrode the metal.
Provo Utah, not gonna make that one from KY
I'm certain it's a great steel. I just don't need a super (hard to sharpen) steel.
Does anyone cut anything with their knives outside of paper and cardboard?
Plastic which encloses the sandwiches I buy in the break room. Zipties which are often wrapped around metal pipes. Black electrical tape wrapped around metal cylinders. Fingernails. Thread. Enjoy carrying out these boring tasks with a tool much better than required.
@@elevationmoto6208 I'm with ya
Has someone picked up the knife?
People slept on maxamet. In real life ive found concerns about corrosion and brittleness to be overstated. I dont use my knife as a screw driver nor dive in salt water. Maxamet stays sharp wayyy longer than any of these steels bc it is much harder. Yall making it more complicated than it is.
Father George has returned!
As has my noble night, Sir JP! -George
Yo I live in Utah to
... in Utah,* too*.
A sharper knife will be dull faster,D2 is not bad as you think
Did anyone find it yet? I went and looked and found nothing. Hints? ❤
That’s more of a “office test” than a field test…..
I'd encourage everyone to watch the recent videos
from Guy over at Survive Knife before buying any
Magnacut. He has proof of the junk Magnacut
sheets. They are trying to sweep it under the
rug. To many knife shills playing along with this.
Lets get to the bottom of this!
I think the Final Boss test would be using only the Spyderco Salt series with the H1, H2, LC200n & Magnacut to see who the true winner is.
Nice commercial for Larrin. I hope he paid you guys well.
I think magnacut steel will take too long to sharpen and that should be a factor.
20cv and s45v have better edge retention than magnacut. Idc what anyone says.
Im happy my heretic colossus came with magnacut. It soo thick.
You really threw them on the ground to be found? Lol cool
That's all nice and stuff, but why has it been 6weeks for my kershaw OTF knife??? Still no movement. When can I expect to receive this knife I've ordered? Som bitches
Why didn't you guys sharpen the knives to the same level of sharp with identical grind angles to start with?
It is always easier to lose a finer edge than a blunt one and the losses are exponential not linear, so a percentage comparison is a bit of a joke.
I hear project farm, i upvote
you would have gotten alot more rust alot faster if you just sprayed it with salt water at let it dry a few times
... a* lot* (...) and* let it dry ...
better than 15v?
I know this is meant to be more fun than science, but my take-away was that ALL of the nicer steels are really quite good. We’ll split hairs over what’s best (sometimes literally) but absolutely anything I pull out of my knife drawer is going to get the job done and look good doing it.
This thumbnail is way way too similar to another video about magna cut. I literally did not process that this was the video I was looking for for like 30 seconds.
There's got to be another knife that says magnacut to take a picture of
Gonna show how rust affects the locks and then pull out the fix blade on the steel you are trying to sell
Best shit ever
There is not a more useless application for a supersteel than in an OTF switchblade knife. An OTF is a weapon, made to stab people, it just needs to be pointy and not even particularly sharp. Supersteels are to shine when the knife is used as a tool, to cut all sorts of tough or hard material repeatedly over a long time.
OTF work great for cutting tasks. They’re not just for stabbing. the dagger blade is very convenient for a lot of cutting tasks and you never touch the blade when operating so it’s safer and one-handed and ambidextrous.
Now soak them in white vinegar for 24 hours
DOCTOR LARRIN THOMAS to you!!!
first of all, 20cv is not one of the greatest giants in edge retentions 09:55 , second of all hogue is an outlier for an edge retention test because most manufacturers are currently heat treating magnacut to 60-62 and hogue has committed to 63+, which according to our friend and local expert Dr. Thomas, magnacut at 60-62 is going to have similar edge retention to properly heat treated D2, do that test again but with a microtech and get back to me :) - also to clarify my initial statement, m390 officially has a middling level of edge retention, especially compared to steels like s90v maxamet rex121 just to name a few..m390 is a giant in its corrosion resistance, and im shocked that despite being friends with Dr Larrin Thomas you all continue to act like 20cv/m390 is some edge retention titan....not that you will read this comment anyways
Science strikes again!
I found it
Wouldn't it have been better to have a spray bottle of salt water and spray it down every once in a while?
You tested the handles??? Flip them over and do the test again.
Ordered an ultra tech thinking it was going to be really sharp.
No lie super dull can’t even cut tape it’s really disappointing
I doubt the lock is d2
Sharpness test is honestly the most unscientific thing I have seen in a while. Seriously, you have so many variables that you cannot even base a loose hypothesis on this. At least the video was semi entertaining.
LOL, I'm glad you found it entertaining. We called it a field test instead of a lab test for that reason. CATRA testing is far more scientific, and it shows 20CV having slightly superior edge retention. Thanks for watching! -George
Yeah. If Bill Nye were dead, he would be rolling in his grave. 😅
Magnacut, like all other steels, is only as good as its heat treat. Manufacturers shortchanging their heat treat and only getting 61-62 HRC aren’t doing it justice. Magnacut’s best in the 63-64 HRC range.
I’ve wondered how many companies will slap magnacut on a blade just to sell more of them. I’ll wait until it’s tested more and properly heat treated. Spyderco tends to do a great job with their stuff. A magnacut delica or para 3 would be great
@@kpfagerberg Pretty much all of them eventually. That's pretty much what is happening already, just look at Protech. Heck, they even showcase it with Hogue. No thanks, I will stick with my 1st gen 20CV Deka, that is still G10 and has too many screws in it so it stays together like you expect.
I've got Bark River Magna-Cut, and it will definitely take a patina. They supposedly get it treated to 62, so this would fit right in with what you are saying. The heat treatment makes the difference in how the steel performs in all areas.
It's Mickey's mouse testing, who cares if a knife is covered in salt. It matters for a divers knife, not much else. Try cutting grass bar stock and digging into sand that would be interesting.