Mewing is very popular these days, but does mewing make sense? Features images made by Jeando Masoero. I offer lessons in the Initial Alexander Technique, which are conducted one-on-one with a teacher over Zoom. They are designed to help you gain conscious control over how you move your body. Most people have no idea what they’re doing with their body, and as they misuse their body, they end up with discomfort, pain, and other issues that they may not even realize are caused by what they’re doing to themselves. But how do you figure out what you’re doing wrong? And how do you change what you're doing and overcome lifelong habits? In an Initial Alexander Technique lesson, you will record yourself through Zoom, so you will be able to see and understand what you are doing when you stand, sit, walk, and perform other simple gestures. With the assistance of your teacher, you will come to understand how you are misusing the mechanisms of your body, and you will gain the ability to choose to use yourself in a more sensible way. You can learn how to use your body without pain. You can break free from long held habits. All you need is a system that works. For more information or to book a lesson, please visit my website: mechanicsofpoise.com/ You can contact me at: DelsarteAlexanderMasoeroYou@protonmail.com "This new piece of evidence suggested that the functioning of the organs of speech was influenced by my manner of using the whole torso, and that the pulling of the head back and down was not, as I had presumed, merely a misuse of the specific parts concerned, but one that was inseparably bound up with a misuse of other mechanisms which involved the act of shortening the stature. If this were so, it would clearly be useless to expect such improvement as I need from merely preventing the wrong use of the head and neck. I realized that I must also prevent those other associated wrong uses that brought about the shortening of the stature." F.M. Alexander
Why is your evidence in complete contradiction with cervical lordosis.Your statements and the example you used are slightly lazy as it is outright reversed kyphosis which is bad like bad bad.how does your evidence not contradict it
And this is the case for most of your arguments .The photos tend to be low quality so I can't asses the forward growth of your supposedly more fitting practice you use the same different sets of photos and the pictures and exact side profile photos so I can't make any assessments on them but then again you care for appearing truthful.you cover your jaw with your beard so I can't observe it and thus if you have provided such low quality evidence for how your theory works then their is no practical reason to believe you.
@@Irebejr6275 Why would you want your neck to bend back on itself? The spine must go forward and up at the top end of the ribcage because the ribs get smaller in diameter. The model I support says that the neck should continue forward and up. This is not similar to a posture like what’s typically called kyphosis. The major difference being in the torso. The model I support has a mid-torso that is very far back compared to most models. The head being forward and up counterbalances that. Most typical postures have the abdomen, lower ribs, and front of the pelvis very far forward, and so naturally the person has to pull their head back to counterbalance. This causes them to bend the neck back on itself, partially kink and close the airway, and bend/narrow their back. Your second post has a few typos that make it difficult to decipher. To be clear, I’m not claiming any growth is occurring. But it’s indisputable that the images I use of myself show the chin moving to be further from the larynx (the larynx doesn’t move or if anything comes slightly back with the torso). That’s a key element here. The head is moving in the opposite direction as the torso. You can also see that the back of the head goes up in space - I'm objectively not tipping the back of the head down to lift the front. You can also see, despite the beard, the musculature under the mandible change for the better, and if you look closely, you can see the musculature of the face change. The images come from Zoom and have been zoomed in, so they are a bit pixelated, but still the changes are clearly visible. I just tested taking screenshots from the video and flipping between them in an image viewing program. Do you that, and I think you will see what I mean.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 not what am referring too.i am referring to the upper neck only and how it's already proven that reversing the curvature(kyphosis is when the upper spine is extremely straight and reverse kyphosis is when the upper spine is in a reverse curvature to the natural curve).This condition is known medically to bring on a lot of problems and that is what you are encouraging which is bad
@@Irebejr6275 You’re asserting that there is a natural curve to the neck that causes the neck to bend back on itself. You say a straight neck is bad, and you say the reverse curve is bad. I say all three of those are undesirable, and you want the neck to slope forward and up. It’s really a mistake to try to isolate the neck and then make claims about what has been “medically” proven to be good or bad. I would not recommend attempting to make your neck specifically match what I or anyone else says. The neck is obviously the top end of the spine. If your lower back is bent and you’re shortening overall, there’s nothing you can do to the neck specifically that’s going to fix the problem. You have to look at the whole spine and really the whole body. The studies you could reference for why any condition of the neck is bad would likely have 100% of the participants having a bent lower back and shortened/narrowed back. Such findings are not relevant to the model I support.
Close to 10 years mewing, I myself figured that out eventually during my experience. Simply put it this way, the many people mewing are only doing it for looks mostly. Now, the people who created have been defending it mostly, not much development has been done. They keep trying to make it acceptable in the mainstream, but have had many issues for years, so that is that. Yoga for example is something else related that can help anyone achieve balance in their own body with enough time. You probably want to learn about the original one, the one you find online is not usually the best, despite it still getting you positive results.
This is THE first time I have seen a fair critique of their work. I stumbled upon their channel before it became popular and agreed with them quite a bit but I did have an issue with how they viewed to fix one's posture. I don't know much about what I heard here either but I appreciate someone trying to give reasonable concerns without being so dismissive of their work just because it is novel/differs from the standard method of fixing an issue.
John Mew already said on his facebook that the tongue doesn't move the maxilla up and forwards. It will help expand the palate, but what really gives forward growth is the teeth touching.
Neither the video nor any comments explain the dangers of mewing. While there are plenty of benefits in mewing like better nasal breathing, development of upper palate etc. It is absolutely harmful for those who have a severe tongue tie, narrow palate and lack of dental height. It can cause muscle spasm, nerve impingement and plenty of other issues.
So would this suggest that a tongue tie operation is required for this with one? Seems like mewing does result in a more natural and aesthetic look for humans but tongue ties cause issues
@@michaeljoseph7160 Any operation can make things worse. There have been proven cases where tongue tie operation didn’t change anything because the problem was with something else.
I think you are missing a key aspect about chin tucks and the face in general: people with downward grown faces lift their head up and forward to open the airway, otherwise they can't breathe properly. How do you see it? By the position of the EARS. To try describing it, the ear low point and the ear top point have to be perfectly vertical, so like this | , that is when the face is correctly aligned, but most of the people have them more like this /. When you orient the ears where they should be, you will see that those people have a very downward grown face, with the mandible SIGNIFICANTLY back, AND SO a collapsed airway. In a ideal grown face, the position of the ears is completely vertical, and the structure of the face is completely forward, and not downswong. This means that what you advocate, to just move your whole head up and forward to breathe properly and then adapt all your body based to it, is nonsense: you will just slightly rotate the face and it will be visible by the ears and artificially open the airway by moving the neck, and you won't fix the underlying problem, but just adapt to it! What chin tucks are for is exactly this: put the head back where it should be, without jutting the neck forward, WHILE rotating the whole face in the correct position, with ears vertical. Once you are in the correct position, you then try to fix the whole face by using the tongue as an appliance/retainer (you can see in recent videos that has been visually proven that childs do keep the tongue up on the palate naturally and also breastfeeding teaches them to do that while keeping a vacum). Once the face is perfectly grown, with vertical ears and a horizontal mandible, you DON'T NEED to jut the neck and the whole face up and forward to breathe, that's how us humans are anatomically designed. I'm a singer and while I agree that a high larynx is totally bad for singing (I'm Italian and I know all the Bel Canto premise) I don't agree that a high larynx is bad in general, you simply don't keep it high when you sing or speak, and you only keep the tongue on the roof of the mouth when you are not. Not saying that there aren't other bad oriented body parts involved and that they are not connected, we need to assess the whole body for sure its not just the face, but to me "your" model seems to revolve to justify and adapt to a forward neck posture (when you advocate to push the whole face forward and up) and to me this is and feels very wrong.
You’ll find that a large number of “after” images for mewing show someone who has a visibly more angled ear. This is because people are trying to get their lower face forward, and so they do the very thing that you say is undesirable - they tilt the back of their head down, angle their forehead, and jut their jaw forward. You can see this in the two examples I used in this video. I do not advocate for “just” moving the head forward and up, the primary movement is certainly of the torso. You can look at the two examples I used in this video and see that the ears become less angled. I understand the issue you’re describing, but I genuinely don’t understand how you’re applying it to what I’ve said in this video. Can you point to anything I've said or shown that suggests creating a more angled ear? As you can see in the video, the larynx must stay back as the head is brought up, the sternum and ribcage also must stay back. This is not just an action of the head, the movements in the torso are in fact more important than what happens with the head. Also, moving the head to its correct spot alters the skull. This is visible in the examples I show in the video. The very act of moving the head towards its correct spot causes the musculature and fascia to work differently and that can immediately produce a visible change in the skull. Sustaining that change takes time because you have to be able to support the head in its new spot with the torso, but the head itself is being changed by these movements. The idea that a chin tuck puts the head where it should be is kind of absurd. Chin tucks are an exercise where you are supposed to form a double chin. It makes no sense to say that is where the head should be all the time. Now, maybe you mean that you think some amount of tucking of the chin is appropriate, but you haven’t really explained why. Sure, lifting the back of the head while tucking the chin will take you out of the angled ear look, but you will be moving your mandible back and narrowing the distance between the chin and the larynx. Why is that desirable in your mind? I’m saying you can lift the back of the head and the chin in such a way that the entire head lifts in space. This will change the neck, but to support these changes the torso has to be lengthened and widened so that the back can support the neck and head. It seems you have a hang up around the idea of the neck angling forward. Why do you think the neck must bend back on itself? What does that do the torso? Can you find a picture of someone who is doing the chin tuck posture you like who doesn't also have their lower sternum jutting forward of their upper sternum? Can you find one who is not protruding their abdomen or lower ribcage? You say you know a high larynx is bad when singing or speaking, and this is obviously true because you want your pharynx to be lengthened during such activities. Do you want a lengthened or shortened pharynx when you breathe? The only time to lift the larynx and shorten the pharynx is when you’re swallowing, as that is what allows you to easily get the food/drink into your esophagus. I don’t understand why you would want to keep the larynx high and the pharynx shortened all day long while you presumably must breathe.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 damn you change my whole perspective, bro you think doing mewing consistently could cause neck pain? i been having neck pain maybes it’s because always having tongue against the roof of my mouth
Most likely, mewing isn't causing your neck pain. Your tongue isn't very large and it's not doing much against the far overwhelming power of your trapezius and neck muscle. If you have neck pain, go out and get a stronger neck and back. Once that's managed, if the issue still exists, then you can start looking at smaller less likely culprits. But chances are high that your neck and shoulder girdle simply isn't strong enough for you and it's needing to work to hard to keep your head up.
1. Mewing is a part of "orofacial myofunctional therapy" which aims to improve breathing and your airway anyway. It's true that when you push your tongue up the larynx will go up entering swallowing mode, but after swallowing the tongue will be sucked up, the larynx will go down simultanouesly and stay at a low position. The negative pressure in the mouth will produce a better nose breathing mechanism as the tongue become a part of the whole airway. As a singer I can move the tongue and the larynx independently. Dr. Mike said that if you mew and struggle to breathe it's because 1) you have too recessed jaw that the tongue doesnt fit in the mouth. When you push the tongue up it's going to go back embarrassing and restricting the airway 2) you might be doing valsalva meneuver which is holding your breath like when you are trying to poop which closes the airway 2. Dr. Mike Mew is also looking deep into whole body posture as he suggest that mewing should be done with the "abs walk". It is when you walk barefoot, engaging your abs, holding your head up, and creating a good posture. I personally believe that your model works when we "squat" but doesnt work well when sprinting or walking. It also struggles with the question of "why doesnt it look right" while the standing up straight looks better to your eyes. Dr. John Mew also believes that our brain know exactly what a perfect face looks like. Why not with a good posture also? (but i think this can be easily biased so idk) I suggest you look deeply into the concept of myofunctional therapy. I will also be looking into your concepts more through your videos. Some of my argruments come from Dr. Mike's videos which are from the mewing app. Feel free to responde as well!
1. Most people keep their larynx elevated to begin with, so the idea that the larynx will go down and stay at a low position after suctioning the tongue to the roof of the mouth is extremely unlikely. As I said in the video, you can still breathe with a shortened pharynx and partially opened esophagus, but those are not desirable conditions for breathing. 2. I seriously doubt that the directions to “engage the abs” and “hold your head up” will produce good posture. You might see an improvement over a very poor baseline posture, but those are very vague directions that, in my view, are quite insufficient to produce significant improvement in the body posture. Our perception of what good posture is is colored by what we’ve seen before. We're used to seeing bent and leaning people. I’ve spent a lot of time observing students and myself, and you eventually can see quite blatantly when someone’s posture is off; you can see the bone poking against the skin in a noticeable way and you can see the asymmetry. When the person makes improvement, you can see the musculature become more properly toned and you can even see the eyes evening out or the ribcage expanding better while breathing. My point being, with close observation, I agree that you should be able to notice that improvement in posture produces healthful effects in one’s appearance.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147Mike is aware of the complexity of posture - there's a video of one of ester gokhales lectures on RUclips and you can see mike in the audience paying great attention. But his focus on the skull and mouth as an orthodontist does leave out a lot of important nuance.
tongue posture is a natural consequence of a forward grown face with a good palate. if you have a good skull and try to create a vacuum in your mouth, it the tongue naturally rests on the palate. Fix the body posture first. But this idea that you gotta push the back of your tongue to the palate and raise the larynx is not good. What will definitely help is keeping the mouth closed. Always
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 I do agree, Dr. Mew ignores much of what you know to be factual according posture. I also found out much more myself. And probably, very likely traditional yoga, can be much more complex. I believe you can acquire posture or you can assimilate it. If I exercise enough, my postures gets better, if I simply live life so to say, I assimilate posture. Like I am not a professional but to me many top athletes potentially have not developed the best possible their postures. what do you think about that, you yourself?
mewing works, but i suspect the way we go about it is incorrect. I started mewing at 21, now 23, and i've forsure noticed measurable results. However, since childhood i've been chewing with a preference for my left side of the mouth, and hard mewed without addressing this issue. This led to a much more prominent nasiolabial fold on the left side of my mouth, and a small but noticeable degree of facial asymmetry. I had slightly asymmetrical face to begin with, but hard mewing exacerbated my facial deformity. Currently, I am training the mind muscle connection to the right side of my tongue before I begin corrective hard mewing.
Do you have a taller left ramus as well? I am a left-only chewer because my right side is uncomfortable to chew with due to dental work and my left ramus is taller for about 0.5 cm.
The asymmetry and imbalance in the head stems from a general asymmetry and imbalance that can be seen in the torso, and really all the limbs and the entire body. This is why a localized solution like mewing, for whatever benefit it may provide, typically can’t correct these broader issues. While there’s nothing wrong with trying to work directly with the right side of your mouth, in my view, the indirect approach of instead working more intently with the torso and the body generally will get much better results. If your pelvis is tilted, and your ribcage is leaning in one direction, and your neck is then twisted, it only makes sense that the mandible and the head would be misaligned. Addressing the torso can get you the base you need to support the head properly, and that will make taking conscious control over the movements and gestures of the face/head much more doable.
12:17 When I swallow (properly), the tongue goes up, and the larynx goes up and then almost all the way down, while the entire tongue stays up with no effort. When the tongue is down, it clogs the airways slightly, but when it sticks up, it is out of the airways and my breathing improves. My nasal breathing has also improved long term.
I would also add that there is more than 1 way to "mew", so to say. Like I doubt anyone can tell what proper development is or looks like. We rather develop according our environment. For example, astronauts in space experiment development issues despite their peak physique condition. So, what is thought as best achieved by mewing, is probably something partial despite it being positive for health and also aesthetically.
Great video. I completely agree with the fact that general posture and fascia health is what’s important. The only part which I don’t agree with is, I used to a a person who used to mouth breath because I inherently have thick nasal musculature which can get stuffy easily and inhibit breathing from the nose. I do think that keeping your tongue to the roof of the mouth is beneficial as it can be done while keeping the larynx in a neutral position, without inhibiting breathing. In fact over the years keeping my tongue has noticeably widened my palette, making my teeth which wouldn’t sit well, sit perfectly on each other. The constant slight force of the tongue also keeps the general jaw musculature ever so slightly engaged, not stressing them but keeping them strong. Though it is a slow process and what is most important is general health and posture, I do believe mewing has considerably helped not only my facial structure but also my health, letting me breathe easier.
I believe you're missing a couple of key points. First, the resting position of the tongue is not pulled down. The resting condition of any muscle is non-contracted. The tongue muscle must contract to be pulled down, and it rests on the roof of the mouth. Note that I'm not talking about actively pressing or suctioning the mouth (mewing). I'm talking about when the tongue is at rest -- it rests up on the roof of the mouth and the tip sits lightly against the back of the bottom teeth. Holding it down takes effort. Second, many people who have underdeveloped chins are mouth breathers from birth, many of whom have problems swallowing for various reasons (tongue thrusting, tongue tie, raised hard palate, etc). Having the tongue pulled down prevents it from supporting the upper jaw while it is developing, allowing the upper jaw to stay narrow into the teen years. It's the horizontal pressure against the upper teeth that is needed, more than the upward pressure against the soft palate. I highly recommend reading the book, "Breath", by James Nestor.
I did not and certainly would not say that the tongue should be pulled down. I agree that widening of the tongue is key, and widening of the tongue will tend to make the tongue flatter. I disagree with the premise that muscles should be kept in a “non-contracted” resting position. Really the word “resting” is tricky in this context, so it’s a word I don’t typically use. If your tongue is going to be ready for action, it should not be kept in an inactive, narrowed, or limp condition. I’m not sure how you could claim that the tongue being up would constitute non-contraction. In practice, most people are overly shortening and contracting certain muscles, while releasing others - both in the tongue and the rest of the body. It’s preferable to have balanced, low-level lengthening contractions of the muscles that make the fascia taut and allow the body (and all the parts of the body) to be ready to move.
i have “mewed” consistently for at least 7 years now. i won’t go into all the details that lead to it, but my tongue naturally going into odd positions in my mouth had my orthodontist recommend to press chewing gum against the roof of my mouth to train my tongue out of pushing against teeth. i may have taken this small suggestion overboard as currently my tongue naturally wants to sit against the roof of my mouth unconsciously. i’ve had terrible issues with nausea and acid reflux for years too, and can’t recall them ever occurring before i started to “mew” but who knows how much that correlates. just and interesting thought.
Mine too but due to pressing against it and creating tension that tightens the floor of the mouth, this has created bad lymph and blood flow (i can feel my nodules and they are big)
Hey, I saw one of your videos where u mentioned the sternum shouldn'tgo forward. Mine was forward cuz I thought that's how it should be. I just brought the sternum back and my back got straight and my pelvis got beautifully aligned. Still more progress to do. Like wow. This is insane. It was in just like 2 days. I can feel the air going through my torso very well. My only issue is neck, jaw and tongue and flat feet which I don't reaqlly know how to fix. So thank you for the videos. It made a great difference in my posture.☺
It's a bit funny how much of the typical advice around posture induces people to push their lower sternum forward, when that only bends the back more and crunches the ribcage. It won't fix everything alone, but it sounds like you've seen that even undoing some of that bad habit of pushing the lower sternum forward helps with basic functions like breathing.
@@gumter. I will try to find the video. I basically watched like 6 videos of his. And I suggest you try and watch any one of his videos. It's really helpful!
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 Yes I mentioned that my neck, jaw needs relaxation. So I didn't fix it completely. But my posture is literally so bad that it gave me a small fix which I'm happy about!!
Why is no one talking about how mewing causes hypertension of chewing muscles and TMJ problems. It’s not a safe technique for sure especially for people with bite and teeth issues.
Mewing cured my TMJ. I used to get severe popping of the jaw. Now i can eat, sleep, breath, and speak with total control and comfort, thanks to Dr. Mike Mew and Dr. John Mew.
As I said in the video, many people will find that their baseline habitual posture is pretty bad. There are many things that will lead to some improvement. I’m glad to hear you’ve found relief from mewing. In my view, in the long run, you’ll be even better off if you address your body posture using an accurate model and a rational system.
Same here, I got tmj in lockdown when I made my posture very bad using my laptop. However if you were mewing, you would also have been a little more thoughtful of your posture which may have also contributed to your improvement. It is the same in my case
Humans naturally prefer nose breathe because it's the body's most efficient way of filtering out carbon dioxide, when we swallow our tongues goes to the top of our mouths. Keep in mind that we constantly swallow our saliva. Those are the two criterias of, "Mewing", which means "Mewing" is natural. How do people think it's some magical technique that's going to make their jaw/chin attractive?
Well think about it. Humans used to always have that posture, thats why old skeletons had better aligned teeth( and also chewing harder foods). In the modern age, due to factors I dont know, people are breathing trough their mouth and that is making their face shape deform. Mewing isn't the magical secret technique. The only reason it changes anything is becasue most people don't have good mouth posture. It's just a way of getting back to your natural face form.
>filtering out carbon dioxide The opposite, it decreases overall oxygen intake which in turns of course increases body co2 levels, which is a good thing.
@@anynamez7048 it filters, heats and humidifies the air you breath in, better than breathing from thé mouth. Nothing to do with quantity of oxygen intake. Oxygen intake decrease and CO2 saturation increase is not a good thing either.
@@yellowstz it absolutely has an effect on overall oxygen intake. how can you deny such a thing when it can clearly be measured? lol >Oxygen intake decrease and CO2 saturation increases ah yes, oxygen now has less of an affinity to hemoglobin... SO BAD!!
@@anynamez7048 Maybe I don’t understand because english is not my language but I don’t agree, i’d love to see your data. Explain to me in what world having less affinity to hemoglobin and CO2 sat increase is a good thing. I can’t think of any situation where hypercapnia is not a bad sign
Facts, babies use suction to extract milk from their mother's nipples & There is a positive correlation between children who were *not* breastfed & dental malocclusions
We must ask why baby suction? Because baby are breast fed, so they must suck the nipple in their mouth, that means the tongue should be in low, to put the nipple on it, and when the baby suction, the tongue will press the nipple to the roof of the mouth, if the baby don't eating i think there is no meaning of sucking all day
1) is a non sequitur, the fact that “if the the tongue is what hold the maxilla why when you speak bla bla your face doesn’t get groopy?” Because it’s not how it works, it’s not as the structure is simply not so malleable that it immediately collapses or immediately changes shape. The tongue acts as a transmitter of mechanotransduction more than a floor for your maxilla to not drop. And the more time (and pressure) you spend there the more tension you trasmiss 2) you’re right when you say that they have no clue about how to actually get people in a more neutral alignment and how their view is semplicistic. It’s a whole body problem 3) if the tongues being constantly on top is not the X factor to make the expansion, what would it be? And why anedoptically the one who have those posture have more expanded structure? Because you are forced to put your tongue in the roof of your mouth when you swallow, why is it not sufficient then? 4) I suggest you to check PRI theory, they also mention tongue as an expander (and they do not overfocus like mew does) 5) my main conceirn about mewing is the lower jaw. Okay, we get that there is a way to expand your maxilla. But how it does work in the lower jaw? The “one follows each other” make 0 sense, if that would be the case MSE would be useful also for a lower expansion but it’s not the case. Is it about mastication cross sectional size (muscle)?
For the 1) is because you follow their definition which are not reasonable. It’s not the face that “droops” is the palate that don’t receive enough tension. The expansion doesn’t occur. Gravity (which would be the factor of the droopiness) don’t make your body collapse, in contrary, it actually make your structure bigger and more dense. It’s tension. And tension is a stimulus for your body to grow, not a bad thing
I think there’s some confusion. I’m not saying the head droops because of gravity, I would agree that it’s a lack of tension. The torso also droops due to a lack of appropriate tension. 1. It sounds like you don’t believe that the tongue is needed to support the front of the head/maxilla. If the tongue is merely signaling to the musculature in that area to act, why do you believe you need to tongue to do that job? Can you activate the musculature without making an unneeded swallowing gesture? Is using the tongue as a signal a crutch? 3. How about the musculature that connects to the sides of the upper mouth? Wouldn’t those be the muscles to use to expand palate, not the tongue which has other jobs it must perform?
1) so whats the actual point? 2) its not stritcly needed as a fact, but it’s the most efficient way to do so. It’s a 24/7 continuos force which leads what I was describing. But yea, any other force that act the same way does the same jobs, tongue is not inherently sacred (mse is the same thing on a bigger scale) 3)so what do you specifically identify to be the X factor? What exactly?
Good video. What do you mean at 11:00 Put your hand to your throat and swallow. The thing moves few centimeters very fast. Now try placing tongue to different places -- almost no movement. It returns back for suction hold, or I do something you don't. Anyhow, my friend I've met in a gym has shown considerable "better looks" (who cares) by simply mewing as a grown man (25+). Mewing is not supposed to work by then, but it does with massive effort or excercise of every single mucle in the body. Rigorous training and "face yoga" as he calls it. "Ákos marco" on RUclips. Anecdote and exceptionally rigorous training, sure. It is not what a general population is going to achieve, but does it make it false? Yeah it's anecdotal, but I feel better when the duction holds my tongue. Impaired brathing is not what I experience. On the contrary, especially during cold weather my nose closes up. So Mewing makes it easier to breath, I don't know. 15:00 A strawman. You know better. It's so annyoing. Mew: "It is to give slight pressure". Stawman: "It's to hold up your whole head" Besides speaking is exaption of the tongue, not directly evolved for speech. Speech is not a primary or evolved function of the tongue, but it happens to be useful for speech. And for positive view, besides of simple criticism: * Daily excercise and hanging from trees or bars is what humans do. We are monkeys, and we move with gripping objects above us with hands. This has significantly improved many aspects of my life. The excercise of calisthenics can be started by gripping a bar and giving part of your weight to it. I started at 120kg, so there is no excuses. Daily excercise including hangs. * Mouthbreathing is not kosher. Dry mouth, tooth decay, feels bad in throat. Not Kosher for freezing temperatures. It hurts even during summer. Mewing is actionable way to not mouthbreathe.
Good video. I think my unending acid reflux began before I started getting into this stuff in 2016, but it was definitely exacerbated. Even just lowering my tongue deliberately for the first time in years gives a weird throat sensation.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Amazing job with this video! It's really an eye-opener. I have a question though that hadn't been answered by the video: Without the tongue on the roof of the mouth, how does one develop a wide palate? Are there any muscles that support the maxilla laterally like there are muscles that support the maxilla? Because it's pretty convincing to me what the Mews say, that the tongue retains the width of the palate, and if there is no tongue, the palate narrows. Cheers!
Yes, there are muscles that are attached to the sides of the upper mouth, and they are typically underused, especially in those who have had orthodontic work. It’s also an issue of the fascia in this area, which needs to be made taut. I will be going in depth on this area in the not too distant future. We have much more control over this area than most people would think, it's just that most people have never tried to consciously control the musculature of their throat/jaw in a rational way.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147Amazing video mate! One question related to the width of the palate. I have seen a video in the playlist of head and neck where you give the direction of the smile behind the eyes to widen the upper palate, but what happens with the lower palate? Will in some point the upper palate be so much wider than the lower so it produces malocclusion? Is there a direction to widen the lower palate? Thanks!
Notwithstanding the ostensibly perspicacious anatomization of glossal repositioning and its purported deleterious sequelae, the proffered critique demonstrably evinces a paucity of comprehension vis-à-vis certain salient facets and neglects critical corroborative evidence substantiating the efficacy of this orofacial praxis. Permit me to elucidate several points of contention that warrant exegesis: Primordially, the critique posits that this glossal maneuver induces laryngeal elevation, thereby impeding eupnea. While deglutition indubitably precipitates laryngeal ascension to safeguard the trachea, the practice in question does not necessitate a complete act of deglutition. The canonical methodology entails gentle suction of the glossa against the palatum durum et molle, obviating significant laryngeal ascension. Myriad individuals, including the undersigned, have engaged in this praxis for protracted durations sans experiencing respiratory compromise. Indeed, certain investigations intimate that optimal lingual disposition may ameliorate airway dimensions and diminish nasal impedance. Secundarily, the critique repudiates the glossa's role in maxillary sustentation, asserting that the entirety of the corporeal edifice, particularly the dorsal musculature, governs cephalic posture. While the musculoskeletal apparatus indubitably contributes to posture holistically, discounting the glossa's influence constitutes an egregious oversimplification. The glossa is a formidable muscle possessing substantial attachments to the os hyoideum, mandibula, and indirectly to the cranium. Copious studies evince the glossa's pivotal role in craniofacial ontogeny and its impact on maxillary positioning. This praxis fosters proper lingual disposition, which may counteract the caudal and posterior gravitational traction and other forces acting upon the maxilla. Tertiary, the critique conflates this glossal repositioning with the conventional postural paradigm and its emphasis on protracted cephalic posture. While certain proponents may advocate for mental retraction, this is not a ubiquitous recommendation. The paramount focus of this praxis resides in optimal glossal disposition and nasal respiration, not cephalic retraction per se. In fact, numerous advocates acknowledge the limitations of the conventional postural model and espouse a more holistic approach to corporeal alignment. Quaternary, the critique equates this practice to a perpetual state of deglutition, insinuating that it is an unnatural and potentially deleterious position. This is a patent misrepresentation. The praxis does not entail incessant swallowing. It involves maintaining a gentle suction hold of the glossa against the palatum, which constitutes a natural resting position for the glossa when the buccal cavity is closed and nasal respiration is engaged. Quinary, the critique concedes anecdotal accounts of the practice's benefits but ascribes them to heightened glossal proprioception rather than the specific praxis per se. While augmented awareness undoubtedly plays a role, it fails to fully elucidate the observed alterations in facial structure reported by myriad individuals. There is burgeoning evidence, encompassing case studies and observational research, suggesting that this practice can engender improvements in facial aesthetics, airway dimensions, and even dental occlusion. Senary, the critique champions a holistic approach to posture, addressing the entire corpus rather than fixating solely on the buccal cavity. Proponents of this praxis wholeheartedly concur with this tenet. We recognize that optimal posture necessitates the harmonious interplay of all corporeal components. This glossal repositioning is not intended to supplant other postural interventions but rather to complement them. By promoting proper glossal disposition and nasal respiration, it can contribute to a more equilibrated and integrated postural system. In summation, this orofacial praxis represents a facile yet potentially efficacious practice that addresses the oft-neglected role of the glossa in craniofacial development and overall posture. While further investigation is warranted to fully comprehend its mechanisms and long-term effects, the extant evidence and anecdotal reports suggest that it can be a valuable instrument for ameliorating facial aesthetics, airway salubrity, and potentially even dental occlusion. Dismissing this practice based on erroneous preconceptions and incomplete comprehension would be a disservice to its potential benefits. As with any health practice, it is imperative to approach it with an open mind, appropriate tutelage, and a commitment to a holistic approach to well-being.
On your first point, I’m not saying that putting the tongue on the roof of the mouth necessitates a complete act of swallowing. It’s partially putting you into swallowing mode - that is it's partially opening the esophagus while shortening the pharynx. You say the typical practice of mewing does not require “significant” lifting of the larynx, which does seem to be a concession that it will lift the larynx. On your second point, yes, the tongue is certainly relevant to oral posture. My claim is that it is not particularly relevant to holding the head up. Every part of the body works together, so no part can be excluded, but the tongue has a specific set of tasks it must do. It’s not suited to perpetually holding the maxilla up. On your third point, I’m glad to hear you recognize issues in the standard model of posture and retraction of the head. This video specifically addresses the Mews and their advice, so naturally I address the things they have directly claimed. On your fourth point, I called it a swallowing gesture because it’s a set of movements that is similar to swallowing. I’ve seen Mike Mew demonstrate mewing many times, and you can see that he is clearly making a gesture that is very similar to swallowing. My point was not that you are literally swallowing all the time. On your fifth point, I think you’ve misunderstood. I’m not saying mere awareness is what causes changes from mewing. Most people allow their tongue to be shortened, narrowed, and twisted in their mouth and give no thought to if their head is drooping. From that bad starting point, there is a lot that will lead to improvement. That doesn’t mean that every practice that leads to improvement is ideal, nor does it mean that there aren’t better methods for improvement. On your sixth point, I acknowledged this multiple times. My criticism is of the acceptance of the standard model of posture that I argue is highly flawed.
@@Killzone626 Can you share some insight on this? Because the post does contain ideas that respond directly to the video, but it’s obviously written in an absurd way. I assumed it was a troll with a thesaurus or something. Did he run an actual response through an AI?
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 the guy has one video about machine learning on his channel, he probably downloaded the auto generated subtitles of the video and gave some Large Language Model the prompt to give a critique on the text in a highly convoluted manner of speech. LLMs like to summarize their paragraphs in sections and numerations.
@@Killzone626 Interesting. What a strange use of time.
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After 1 week of mewing my nose opened up. I can reathe more freely (minus the days i get sinusitis once every 3 months, although I used to have chronic sinusitis before mswing.
I have a question. I'm almost certain that the Hamstrings are related to the bad posture. Just don't know how. Can you explain or make a video about it. I also observed (anecdotal ofc) that most postural problems and discomfort originate from the legs. Don't know if thats a correct assumption.
Most people are leaning forward (they lean back with the upper torso, but lean forward with nearly everything below). This causes the weight of the body to be at the front of the foot, ankle, and knee. Many people will pull the knee back to help prevent falling forward, while the upper thigh continue to lean forward with the lower torso. People also tend to sit on the backs of their legs (instead of sitting on their sit bones with their thighs not touching the chair). All of these things cause the hamstrings to be seriously discombobulated and sometimes deadened. My video on the legs to cover this to a certain extent. You need to get the legs abducted, and widened more at the back (as most people narrow the legs at the back and overly widen the front). You also need to address the torso so that you are not leaning forward out over your toes.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 interesting. You're basically describing the biomechanical diagram 22:15 And i agree about the sitting part. I always felt uncomfortable sitting with my thighs touching the chair. I always fold my knees and only sit with my rear. That was probably how ancient humans sat on the ground around a campfire after a long day
there is also a rotional component: Internal on medial hamstrings and external on lateral. Also 3d hip mobility and pelic posture.leg axis, point of gravity and sacrum poition all relate locally. Also pelvic floor and alignment of all diaphragms in an osteopatic sense.
My conclusion: (Actual video conclusion 25:50) Mewing is better than the average posture, like mouth breathing. Facial issues root from the whole body poster. Having the correct poster and oral posture should give perfect body and oral health. Mewing is only a supplement to "pushing/supporting" your maxilla and correct posture should be preferred over mewing instead. Mewing also makes it harder to breathe/speaking as it makes the trachea smaller. My response: Yes, I know this is a critique vide on Mewing. What's the solution, you said that having the correct body posture will lead to correct oral posture, could you give more details? The video points out the issues with mewing, but does not provide a solution(yes, the video is not intended to provide a solution I know but it would be nice to have one) Hoping you could make a video on correct oral and body posture to fix oral issues. If there's no know solution currently, then would mewing(perhaps a version of it) be better than doing nothing or doing a mediocore(speculated(?)) version of the solution you implied?
correct posture using initial alexander technique. THere's a video playlist on it here on yt. This guy also has a video on ribcage and how the sternum must be oriented. The solution is basically "just having the correct posture". There aren't reps for any of that. Your back must lengthen and your pelvis must also be correct to prevent the organs from spilling out. The solution is fairly obvious because he tells your what your posture must approximately look like
This video was already quite long, so I’m sure you can understand it didn’t make sense to add another twenty minutes giving a detailed explanation of the model and system I support. I do have about 100 videos that cover my viewpoint in both broad and specific terms. In my view, Jeando Masoero's system called the Initial Alexander Technique is the most effective system at improving posture, and provides a vastly superior model of posture than the standard model. But to give you the very short answer, essentially you need to return due tension to the connective tissues of the body, in particular the fascia. This is done by reorienting the bone and bony structures through consciously directed, coordinated movements. These lengthening and widening movements take the body out of its habitual crumpled, narrowed, and shortened state. The basis of the system is using specific directions to guide movements, and your success in making the movements is verified using visual feedback from video recording. The video can demonstrably show you reorienting the bony structures to their correct relative positions which produces a visible increase in stature and a reduction in drooping, bulging, and unnecessary bending.
I have some students now who will allow me to use their images, so I will have some specific analysis like this is the not too distant future. I'm essentially teaching Jeando Masoero's system called the Initial Alexander Technique.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 Many thanks, I'm subscribed and I've been watching your videos. I think that mewing had a vast adoption, because Dr Mew uses a lot of photos/videos showing the results. I'll be looking about Jeando Masoero's system.
Your content must get more attention, it is fascinatingly eye opening and simple. But I think you are wrong about some things as exercise doesn’t help and tongue mustn’t be on the roof of your mouth. Consider it and think about it throughly. Weakened muscles can’t hold bones properly which gives fasha a chance to shorten ( I think so), and in the proper position with open airways my tongue is always goes up to the roof without any effort ( when I used to mew, I had to do it myself but now with somewhat correcting my posture it is natural)
i think he's right about exercise. Excercise is mostly for the muscles. This is a bone issue. If squatting with strict posture fixes your problems, by all means go ahead. it definitely made things a bit better for me. But i doubt if gym will fix a shortened back. That was caused by years of bad habits. I will agree that he hasn't touched the deeper topics like hip flexors and hamstrings which are also responsible for poor posture. Human biomechanics are not easy to understand. But he is right about the back and the shoulders. i haven't seen any tribes in africa with that ridiculous "retracted shoulder" posture that the standard model proposes (although their shoulders aren't so forward like this guy proposes)
I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with general exercise and using your muscles. My point is that typical, repetitive exercises are not going to change your habitual posture because you’re going to go deeper into your habit to do the exercise. Also, if you’re using your body correctly, your muscles will not be deteriorating to the point of needing to work out because you will be engaging them properly all day long. It’s not going to get you huge muscles, but muscles are only in a weakened state because they’re habitually being used incorrectly (and lacking the appropriate interaction with the fascia/other connective tissues).
humans (i believe) evolved to breathe through the nose, because the nose filters out air and prevents disease and soot buildup from smoke. a newborn baby will not open its mouth to inhale, and exhale. "mewing" is a way to cope with a "bad face structure" because, even before i shut my mouth, i still had a relatively visible and good jawline. it's really not about where you tongue is placed, but how much fat you have.
The a bone structure of the jaw won't be fixed by lower body fat. I see skinny people all the time with bad jaw lines. Though it's debatable if the reason is a small jaw from low testosterone/a lack of chewing hard foods or bad tongue posture (or a combination of the two.)
@@yippy7951 lower body fat simply makes your bones more prevelant, like your mandible and your cheekbones. and small jaws can be caused by the pre-natal environment (the womb), and post-natal things
I will address this in more detail in the follow-up video, and there are some videos in my series on the neck and head that address this. The short answer, you want your tongue to be widened, with the tongue kept forward while the larynx is kept back and down. The tongue can be kept generally low, though to be clear you don’t want to pull it super far down or go to the bottom of the mouth.
I'm not entirely sure. If they've surgically reshaped the bones, I don't think you'd go back to your starting point, but you'd trend towards your original posture. I would think you'd probably end up with some neck and back issues as well.
I've been mewing for almost a year now and it gets me results, but the thing is that my tongue is so developed that I can't stop mewing. The problem is when I mew longer my ears itch and my throat hurts, I have asymmetry on my jaw too. What do you think about my situation? Is there any solution to it?
My first question in a situation like this is what’s happening with your torso? An asymmetry of the jaw would indicate that there is a twist in the torso and neck. That’s also going to tend to mean the torso is bent and shortened. Addressing the torso is going to be the starting place. I’m not sure how it would be possible that you can’t stop mewing, but it might help to try widening the tongue, while keeping the tip forward, and pulling the larynx back and down.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147My lower left rib cage is kinda a bit large,I've been injured one time on my left arm because I bump into a chair my arm bump so hard to the ground and I couldn't move my arm since then, and a old girl helped me fix it with a little bit tweaking on my bones they call it "hilot" in our country, and she fixed it. My ribcage feels like asymmetrical also. I think my jaw is asymmetrical because of my teeth, My teeth are uneven since childhood and it even got a tooth gap, I tried braces once but my parents took it off because of low budget. Should I take braces again?
It does seem kinda stupid when it is rationally dissected like that. I always just assumed that it wasn't a physical chain of events but just some of the facial and jaw muscles engaging due to the tongue muscle being used like that.
The tongue should be raised to remove the skin under the chin, creating a more prominent jawline. Therefore, allowing the tongue to rest on the lower incisors while dropping the larynx downward is illogical as it increases the visibility of the skin beneath the chin. Tell me what u think since beauty is health and that just look like excess fat when done
You absolutely do not want the chin to come down towards the larynx. You want to increase the distance between the chin and the larynx, which will pull the musculature under the chin to be more taut, not less.
I used to mew and now when if i dont i get a little bit of a double chin, is it fine to just rest the tip of the tongue on the palate (without suction) or should tongue touching the palate be avoided completely?
Have a look at all the adjustments he tells you to do simultaneously on this channel before doing this, i don't even have to rest my tip of my tongue on my palate any more and I still have a good jawline, if not better
I will go into more detail in the follow -up video, but the tongue should be kept wide with the tip near the back of the lower teeth and the larynx kept back and down. You don’t want to pull the tongue down to the bottom of the mouth.
@@truesatann You don’t want to just imitate a posture. The images I use of myself and others that show generally better posture are not going to be perfect. I’m currently in the middle of putting out a series on how to use a reasoned system to improve how you use your body. It’s built around consciously giving yourself directions and using video/mirrors to get the visual feedback you need to confirm that you’re going in the right direction. The directions of movement are what you need to understand and gain the ability to put into practice to change your posture for the better.
How about mewing with just the tip of the tongue touching the palate instead of the whole tongue. This way, the larynx is low while still applying force to move the maxilla up. I tried mewing for a few years now and let me tell you, it feels wrong, but I continued doing it because I was told it was the normal tongue position. During that time, my jaw joints started to hurt, the back of my neck also hurt, and I noticed myself positioning my chin upwards. So, yeah, I agree with what you said in the video. I would like to add that body fat also contributes to the shape of the face like you can't see your jawline if you have a high body fat percentage. That's all.
I would definitely not mew with just the tip of the tongue, you would be likely to end up causing the back of the maxilla to come down and essentially shorten the back of the mouth. Not something that is desirable. The tipping back of the head/lifting of the chin is definitely a bad habit that can easily be induced by mewing.
definitely not. They don't charge you thousands of dollars to remove your teeth and put metal in your mouth. If you actually watched the video, you would know by now that mike and john mew have the right idea but tongue posture is a suboptimal way of fixing it (although it yields some results). Downward maxilla is not the cause but rather the symptom of something else ie bad posture and shortened back
@zzrroott6459 @zzrroott6459 But you have to pay for expensive appliances (similar to Orthodontics). They have the right idea as stated in the video by wanting the maxilla up and forward, but obviously you will get minimal results with a big price tag
@@Matty-H If you have a severely downswung maxilla, only a bimax will fix it (but orbitals can never be fixed). don't know much about this appliance tho. I've only seen mike sell some facial excercises on his mewing app
instead of "pulling" your shoulders, waist or neck, just do yoga and stretching. it will make you "the perfect" posture without even trying to sustain it forcefully. speaking from experience. also, I did this "pulling" of my waist (to not appear crouching in front of the computer) forcefully and developed the weird shape of my spine in my teens. now it's not going away even if i am aware it's wrong. so i need to do yoga to make it "right". otherwise my spine will hurt. never try to change your posture forcefully.
I’ve unfortunately known many yoga teachers who ended up needing hip surgery as they got older. I agree that simply pulling individual parts of the body in a haphazard way will not produce anything desirable, that’s why an accurate model and a rational system are needed to guide yourself into the movements that genuinely will produce better posture.
@@Joshua-yj1eo, i didn't mean "stretching" exactly. I do yoga exercises aimed at supporting back muscles. There's only like, light stretching of leg biceps and... "pigeon pose"? i guess. it didn't make me stretchy despite doing it for two years. it just made my posture feel "right".
@@Mondscheinelfe Can you prove that in any other way than by making appeals to common sense, "the way things are", or other logically fallacious nonsense?
I have one side of my maxilla more forward as i can clearly see the shape of the maxilla and that side of cheek bone is also forward and wide well defined while on the other side its recessed if you please tell me what can i do (it was not always like this, thats why i think it can be fixed ) it will be kind of you
While you’re seeing the issue in the maxilla/face, it’s almost certain that your body generally has a similar asymmetry. If your pelvis is cocked to one side, your ribcage is twisted relative to the pelvis, and your neck is twisted, why wouldn’t your face also be asymmetric? Getting your torso lengthened and widened so that your back can support your head will provide the base you need to change the habits in how you’re using your head and face.
Beautiful and very understandable video! Thank you. Would be also interesting and informative to address other parts of the face/head structure very specifically, since there's alot that goes along with mewing. More about the larynx/pharynx, voicebox, palate, mandible moving, reasoning behind the facial development and it's decline etc. Like is mewing even natural for humans? Mewing was never known before last 2 decades, most of the people never did it and still we have many evidences of very well developed facial structures in our ancestors. Everyone woud know it subconsciously on some level, and Mike Mew wouldn't have need to teach everyone ab mewing. Try to put your tongue completely on upper palate with the root of the tongue, as they propose, then breathe, is it harder? Easier? Most people start choking. Unless you just casually keep your tongue up without appliance of very hard force, like some babies after sucking milk without force.
Thanks, I’m planning to go in depth with the mandible in the near future, as that is very much tied up with what’s happening with the maxilla and the face generally. In my view, mewing is not natural, in the sense that I don’t think it makes sense to constantly put yourself partially into swallowing mode. I would caution, however, on assuming that correct oral posture or general posture will be or feel natural. Modern people are very much disconnected from the environments they were adapted to, and so we can feel quite comfortable in totally heinous and obviously wrong postures. And in that condition, positive movements can feel totally wrong and strange.
speaking all day like teachers is very unnatural, there are mechanisms and muscles that can hold you up during it but they won't provide proper posture, just temporary pseudo stability. not a good argument to use modern professions to refute ancestral mechanisms
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 I don't think anyone ever spoke for more than 10 minutes at once pre civilization. singing a bit accompanied by eating once a day at most is fine, it's been shown to train crucial musculature
If what you’re saying is that you’re worried that giving up mewing will make you look worse, do bear in mind that improving your posture will make you look more healthy. And as I said in the video, you can get the same kind of facial improvement by addressing your total body posture. My point is using the tongue specifically and this swallowing sort of gesture has downsides and doesn’t get to root cause of the problem. The issue is not just in the face, it’s in the whole body.
Mewing is very popular these days, but does mewing make sense?
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"This new piece of evidence suggested that the functioning of the organs of speech was influenced by my manner of using the whole torso, and that the pulling of the head back and down was not, as I had presumed, merely a misuse of the specific parts concerned, but one that was inseparably bound up with a misuse of other mechanisms which involved the act of shortening the stature. If this were so, it would clearly be useless to expect such improvement as I need from merely preventing the wrong use of the head and neck. I realized that I must also prevent those other associated wrong uses that brought about the shortening of the stature."
F.M. Alexander
Why is your evidence in complete contradiction with cervical lordosis.Your statements and the example you used are slightly lazy as it is outright reversed kyphosis which is bad like bad bad.how does your evidence not contradict it
And this is the case for most of your arguments .The photos tend to be low quality so I can't asses the forward growth of your supposedly more fitting practice you use the same different sets of photos and the pictures and exact side profile photos so I can't make any assessments on them but then again you care for appearing truthful.you cover your jaw with your beard so I can't observe it and thus if you have provided such low quality evidence for how your theory works then their is no practical reason to believe you.
@@Irebejr6275 Why would you want your neck to bend back on itself? The spine must go forward and up at the top end of the ribcage because the ribs get smaller in diameter. The model I support says that the neck should continue forward and up. This is not similar to a posture like what’s typically called kyphosis. The major difference being in the torso. The model I support has a mid-torso that is very far back compared to most models. The head being forward and up counterbalances that. Most typical postures have the abdomen, lower ribs, and front of the pelvis very far forward, and so naturally the person has to pull their head back to counterbalance. This causes them to bend the neck back on itself, partially kink and close the airway, and bend/narrow their back.
Your second post has a few typos that make it difficult to decipher. To be clear, I’m not claiming any growth is occurring. But it’s indisputable that the images I use of myself show the chin moving to be further from the larynx (the larynx doesn’t move or if anything comes slightly back with the torso). That’s a key element here. The head is moving in the opposite direction as the torso. You can also see that the back of the head goes up in space - I'm objectively not tipping the back of the head down to lift the front. You can also see, despite the beard, the musculature under the mandible change for the better, and if you look closely, you can see the musculature of the face change. The images come from Zoom and have been zoomed in, so they are a bit pixelated, but still the changes are clearly visible. I just tested taking screenshots from the video and flipping between them in an image viewing program. Do you that, and I think you will see what I mean.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 not what am referring too.i am referring to the upper neck only and how it's already proven that reversing the curvature(kyphosis is when the upper spine is extremely straight and reverse kyphosis is when the upper spine is in a reverse curvature to the natural curve).This condition is known medically to bring on a lot of problems and that is what you are encouraging which is bad
@@Irebejr6275 You’re asserting that there is a natural curve to the neck that causes the neck to bend back on itself. You say a straight neck is bad, and you say the reverse curve is bad. I say all three of those are undesirable, and you want the neck to slope forward and up.
It’s really a mistake to try to isolate the neck and then make claims about what has been “medically” proven to be good or bad. I would not recommend attempting to make your neck specifically match what I or anyone else says. The neck is obviously the top end of the spine. If your lower back is bent and you’re shortening overall, there’s nothing you can do to the neck specifically that’s going to fix the problem. You have to look at the whole spine and really the whole body.
The studies you could reference for why any condition of the neck is bad would likely have 100% of the participants having a bent lower back and shortened/narrowed back. Such findings are not relevant to the model I support.
It being a whole body problem and not just a face problem is so obvious that I'm genuinely wondering how no one has figured it out earlier
Close to 10 years mewing, I myself figured that out eventually during my experience.
Simply put it this way, the many people mewing are only doing it for looks mostly. Now, the people who created have been defending it mostly, not much development has been done.
They keep trying to make it acceptable in the mainstream, but have had many issues for years, so that is that.
Yoga for example is something else related that can help anyone achieve balance in their own body with enough time. You probably want to learn about the original one, the one you find online is not usually the best, despite it still getting you positive results.
This is THE first time I have seen a fair critique of their work. I stumbled upon their channel before it became popular and agreed with them quite a bit but I did have an issue with how they viewed to fix one's posture. I don't know much about what I heard here either but I appreciate someone trying to give reasonable concerns without being so dismissive of their work just because it is novel/differs from the standard method of fixing an issue.
John Mew already said on his facebook that the tongue doesn't move the maxilla up and forwards. It will help expand the palate, but what really gives forward growth is the teeth touching.
When was this Facebook post
Tongue move the maxilla up and forward in swallowing acts with teeth closed - then the movement is made clockwise.
Neither the video nor any comments explain the dangers of mewing. While there are plenty of benefits in mewing like better nasal breathing, development of upper palate etc. It is absolutely harmful for those who have a severe tongue tie, narrow palate and lack of dental height. It can cause muscle spasm, nerve impingement and plenty of other issues.
exactly
So would this suggest that a tongue tie operation is required for this with one? Seems like mewing does result in a more natural and aesthetic look for humans but tongue ties cause issues
@@michaeljoseph7160 Any operation can make things worse. There have been proven cases where tongue tie operation didn’t change anything because the problem was with something else.
That's what I've been thinking. Having a tongue tie will worsen downward growth if you mew
I think you are missing a key aspect about chin tucks and the face in general: people with downward grown faces lift their head up and forward to open the airway, otherwise they can't breathe properly. How do you see it? By the position of the EARS.
To try describing it, the ear low point and the ear top point have to be perfectly vertical, so like this | , that is when the face is correctly aligned, but most of the people have them more like this /.
When you orient the ears where they should be, you will see that those people have a very downward grown face, with the mandible SIGNIFICANTLY back, AND SO a collapsed airway.
In a ideal grown face, the position of the ears is completely vertical, and the structure of the face is completely forward, and not downswong.
This means that what you advocate, to just move your whole head up and forward to breathe properly and then adapt all your body based to it, is nonsense: you will just slightly rotate the face and it will be visible by the ears and artificially open the airway by moving the neck, and you won't fix the underlying problem, but just adapt to it!
What chin tucks are for is exactly this: put the head back where it should be, without jutting the neck forward, WHILE rotating the whole face in the correct position, with ears vertical.
Once you are in the correct position, you then try to fix the whole face by using the tongue as an appliance/retainer (you can see in recent videos that has been visually proven that childs do keep the tongue up on the palate naturally and also breastfeeding teaches them to do that while keeping a vacum).
Once the face is perfectly grown, with vertical ears and a horizontal mandible, you DON'T NEED to jut the neck and the whole face up and forward to breathe, that's how us humans are anatomically designed.
I'm a singer and while I agree that a high larynx is totally bad for singing (I'm Italian and I know all the Bel Canto premise) I don't agree that a high larynx is bad in general, you simply don't keep it high when you sing or speak, and you only keep the tongue on the roof of the mouth when you are not.
Not saying that there aren't other bad oriented body parts involved and that they are not connected, we need to assess the whole body for sure its not just the face, but to me "your" model seems to revolve to justify and adapt to a forward neck posture (when you advocate to push the whole face forward and up) and to me this is and feels very wrong.
You’ll find that a large number of “after” images for mewing show someone who has a visibly more angled ear. This is because people are trying to get their lower face forward, and so they do the very thing that you say is undesirable - they tilt the back of their head down, angle their forehead, and jut their jaw forward. You can see this in the two examples I used in this video.
I do not advocate for “just” moving the head forward and up, the primary movement is certainly of the torso. You can look at the two examples I used in this video and see that the ears become less angled. I understand the issue you’re describing, but I genuinely don’t understand how you’re applying it to what I’ve said in this video. Can you point to anything I've said or shown that suggests creating a more angled ear? As you can see in the video, the larynx must stay back as the head is brought up, the sternum and ribcage also must stay back. This is not just an action of the head, the movements in the torso are in fact more important than what happens with the head.
Also, moving the head to its correct spot alters the skull. This is visible in the examples I show in the video. The very act of moving the head towards its correct spot causes the musculature and fascia to work differently and that can immediately produce a visible change in the skull. Sustaining that change takes time because you have to be able to support the head in its new spot with the torso, but the head itself is being changed by these movements.
The idea that a chin tuck puts the head where it should be is kind of absurd. Chin tucks are an exercise where you are supposed to form a double chin. It makes no sense to say that is where the head should be all the time. Now, maybe you mean that you think some amount of tucking of the chin is appropriate, but you haven’t really explained why. Sure, lifting the back of the head while tucking the chin will take you out of the angled ear look, but you will be moving your mandible back and narrowing the distance between the chin and the larynx. Why is that desirable in your mind?
I’m saying you can lift the back of the head and the chin in such a way that the entire head lifts in space. This will change the neck, but to support these changes the torso has to be lengthened and widened so that the back can support the neck and head.
It seems you have a hang up around the idea of the neck angling forward. Why do you think the neck must bend back on itself? What does that do the torso? Can you find a picture of someone who is doing the chin tuck posture you like who doesn't also have their lower sternum jutting forward of their upper sternum? Can you find one who is not protruding their abdomen or lower ribcage?
You say you know a high larynx is bad when singing or speaking, and this is obviously true because you want your pharynx to be lengthened during such activities. Do you want a lengthened or shortened pharynx when you breathe?
The only time to lift the larynx and shorten the pharynx is when you’re swallowing, as that is what allows you to easily get the food/drink into your esophagus. I don’t understand why you would want to keep the larynx high and the pharynx shortened all day long while you presumably must breathe.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 damn you change my whole perspective, bro you think doing mewing consistently could cause neck pain? i been having neck pain maybes it’s because always having tongue against the roof of my mouth
Most likely, mewing isn't causing your neck pain. Your tongue isn't very large and it's not doing much against the far overwhelming power of your trapezius and neck muscle. If you have neck pain, go out and get a stronger neck and back. Once that's managed, if the issue still exists, then you can start looking at smaller less likely culprits. But chances are high that your neck and shoulder girdle simply isn't strong enough for you and it's needing to work to hard to keep your head up.
@@gatesroyale It definitely does, my entire body has been more stiff ever since I started mewing.
1. Mewing is a part of "orofacial myofunctional therapy" which aims to improve breathing and your airway anyway. It's true that when you push your tongue up the larynx will go up entering swallowing mode, but after swallowing the tongue will be sucked up, the larynx will go down simultanouesly and stay at a low position. The negative pressure in the mouth will produce a better nose breathing mechanism as the tongue become a part of the whole airway. As a singer I can move the tongue and the larynx independently. Dr. Mike said that if you mew and struggle to breathe it's because 1) you have too recessed jaw that the tongue doesnt fit in the mouth. When you push the tongue up it's going to go back embarrassing and restricting the airway 2) you might be doing valsalva meneuver which is holding your breath like when you are trying to poop which closes the airway
2. Dr. Mike Mew is also looking deep into whole body posture as he suggest that mewing should be done with the "abs walk". It is when you walk barefoot, engaging your abs, holding your head up, and creating a good posture. I personally believe that your model works when we "squat" but doesnt work well when sprinting or walking. It also struggles with the question of "why doesnt it look right" while the standing up straight looks better to your eyes. Dr. John Mew also believes that our brain know exactly what a perfect face looks like. Why not with a good posture also? (but i think this can be easily biased so idk)
I suggest you look deeply into the concept of myofunctional therapy. I will also be looking into your concepts more through your videos.
Some of my argruments come from Dr. Mike's videos which are from the mewing app. Feel free to responde as well!
1. Most people keep their larynx elevated to begin with, so the idea that the larynx will go down and stay at a low position after suctioning the tongue to the roof of the mouth is extremely unlikely.
As I said in the video, you can still breathe with a shortened pharynx and partially opened esophagus, but those are not desirable conditions for breathing.
2. I seriously doubt that the directions to “engage the abs” and “hold your head up” will produce good posture. You might see an improvement over a very poor baseline posture, but those are very vague directions that, in my view, are quite insufficient to produce significant improvement in the body posture.
Our perception of what good posture is is colored by what we’ve seen before. We're used to seeing bent and leaning people. I’ve spent a lot of time observing students and myself, and you eventually can see quite blatantly when someone’s posture is off; you can see the bone poking against the skin in a noticeable way and you can see the asymmetry. When the person makes improvement, you can see the musculature become more properly toned and you can even see the eyes evening out or the ribcage expanding better while breathing. My point being, with close observation, I agree that you should be able to notice that improvement in posture produces healthful effects in one’s appearance.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147Mike is aware of the complexity of posture - there's a video of one of ester gokhales lectures on RUclips and you can see mike in the audience paying great attention.
But his focus on the skull and mouth as an orthodontist does leave out a lot of important nuance.
tongue posture is a natural consequence of a forward grown face with a good palate. if you have a good skull and try to create a vacuum in your mouth, it the tongue naturally rests on the palate. Fix the body posture first. But this idea that you gotta push the back of your tongue to the palate and raise the larynx is not good. What will definitely help is keeping the mouth closed. Always
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 I do agree, Dr. Mew ignores much of what you know to be factual according posture. I also found out much more myself.
And probably, very likely traditional yoga, can be much more complex.
I believe you can acquire posture or you can assimilate it. If I exercise enough, my postures gets better, if I simply live life so to say, I assimilate posture.
Like I am not a professional but to me many top athletes potentially have not developed the best possible their postures.
what do you think about that, you yourself?
mewing works, but i suspect the way we go about it is incorrect. I started mewing at 21, now 23, and i've forsure noticed measurable results. However, since childhood i've been chewing with a preference for my left side of the mouth, and hard mewed without addressing this issue. This led to a much more prominent nasiolabial fold on the left side of my mouth, and a small but noticeable degree of facial asymmetry. I had slightly asymmetrical face to begin with, but hard mewing exacerbated my facial deformity. Currently, I am training the mind muscle connection to the right side of my tongue before I begin corrective hard mewing.
Do you have a taller left ramus as well? I am a left-only chewer because my right side is uncomfortable to chew with due to dental work and my left ramus is taller for about 0.5 cm.
And can you describe the corrective hard mewing cause I'm also interested in correcting my assymetry
i 'm on the same boat but it's my left side that is more developed than my right
The asymmetry and imbalance in the head stems from a general asymmetry and imbalance that can be seen in the torso, and really all the limbs and the entire body. This is why a localized solution like mewing, for whatever benefit it may provide, typically can’t correct these broader issues. While there’s nothing wrong with trying to work directly with the right side of your mouth, in my view, the indirect approach of instead working more intently with the torso and the body generally will get much better results. If your pelvis is tilted, and your ribcage is leaning in one direction, and your neck is then twisted, it only makes sense that the mandible and the head would be misaligned. Addressing the torso can get you the base you need to support the head properly, and that will make taking conscious control over the movements and gestures of the face/head much more doable.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 i agree with you
12:17 When I swallow (properly), the tongue goes up, and the larynx goes up and then almost all the way down, while the entire tongue stays up with no effort. When the tongue is down, it clogs the airways slightly, but when it sticks up, it is out of the airways and my breathing improves. My nasal breathing has also improved long term.
I would also add that there is more than 1 way to "mew", so to say.
Like I doubt anyone can tell what proper development is or looks like. We rather develop according our environment.
For example, astronauts in space experiment development issues despite their peak physique condition. So, what is thought as best achieved by mewing, is probably something partial despite it being positive for health and also aesthetically.
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Great video. I completely agree with the fact that general posture and fascia health is what’s important. The only part which I don’t agree with is, I used to a a person who used to mouth breath because I inherently have thick nasal musculature which can get stuffy easily and inhibit breathing from the nose. I do think that keeping your tongue to the roof of the mouth is beneficial as it can be done while keeping the larynx in a neutral position, without inhibiting breathing. In fact over the years keeping my tongue has noticeably widened my palette, making my teeth which wouldn’t sit well, sit perfectly on each other. The constant slight force of the tongue also keeps the general jaw musculature ever so slightly engaged, not stressing them but keeping them strong. Though it is a slow process and what is most important is general health and posture, I do believe mewing has considerably helped not only my facial structure but also my health, letting me breathe easier.
I believe you're missing a couple of key points. First, the resting position of the tongue is not pulled down. The resting condition of any muscle is non-contracted. The tongue muscle must contract to be pulled down, and it rests on the roof of the mouth. Note that I'm not talking about actively pressing or suctioning the mouth (mewing). I'm talking about when the tongue is at rest -- it rests up on the roof of the mouth and the tip sits lightly against the back of the bottom teeth. Holding it down takes effort. Second, many people who have underdeveloped chins are mouth breathers from birth, many of whom have problems swallowing for various reasons (tongue thrusting, tongue tie, raised hard palate, etc). Having the tongue pulled down prevents it from supporting the upper jaw while it is developing, allowing the upper jaw to stay narrow into the teen years. It's the horizontal pressure against the upper teeth that is needed, more than the upward pressure against the soft palate. I highly recommend reading the book, "Breath", by James Nestor.
I did not and certainly would not say that the tongue should be pulled down. I agree that widening of the tongue is key, and widening of the tongue will tend to make the tongue flatter.
I disagree with the premise that muscles should be kept in a “non-contracted” resting position. Really the word “resting” is tricky in this context, so it’s a word I don’t typically use. If your tongue is going to be ready for action, it should not be kept in an inactive, narrowed, or limp condition. I’m not sure how you could claim that the tongue being up would constitute non-contraction. In practice, most people are overly shortening and contracting certain muscles, while releasing others - both in the tongue and the rest of the body. It’s preferable to have balanced, low-level lengthening contractions of the muscles that make the fascia taut and allow the body (and all the parts of the body) to be ready to move.
i have “mewed” consistently for at least 7 years now. i won’t go into all the details that lead to it, but my tongue naturally going into odd positions in my mouth had my orthodontist recommend to press chewing gum against the roof of my mouth to train my tongue out of pushing against teeth. i may have taken this small suggestion overboard as currently my tongue naturally wants to sit against the roof of my mouth unconsciously. i’ve had terrible issues with nausea and acid reflux for years too, and can’t recall them ever occurring before i started to “mew” but who knows how much that correlates. just and interesting thought.
Mine too but due to pressing against it and creating tension that tightens the floor of the mouth, this has created bad lymph and blood flow (i can feel my nodules and they are big)
Hey, I saw one of your videos where u mentioned the sternum shouldn'tgo forward. Mine was forward cuz I thought that's how it should be. I just brought the sternum back and my back got straight and my pelvis got beautifully aligned. Still more progress to do. Like wow. This is insane. It was in just like 2 days. I can feel the air going through my torso very well. My only issue is neck, jaw and tongue and flat feet which I don't reaqlly know how to fix. So thank you for the videos. It made a great difference in my posture.☺
Do you know the name of the video?
It's a bit funny how much of the typical advice around posture induces people to push their lower sternum forward, when that only bends the back more and crunches the ribcage. It won't fix everything alone, but it sounds like you've seen that even undoing some of that bad habit of pushing the lower sternum forward helps with basic functions like breathing.
@@gumter. I will try to find the video. I basically watched like 6 videos of his. And I suggest you try and watch any one of his videos. It's really helpful!
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 Yes I mentioned that my neck, jaw needs relaxation. So I didn't fix it completely. But my posture is literally so bad that it gave me a small fix which I'm happy about!!
well said. This was a great watch. Very clear and well put
You are a goldmine of knowledge on interesting and portent topics
Why is no one talking about how mewing causes hypertension of chewing muscles and TMJ problems. It’s not a safe technique for sure especially for people with bite and teeth issues.
My TMJ particularly went away with mewing.
Yes mewing causes TMJ
The body is wiser than the mind.
Well done. Made me rethink a few you things, appreciate your efforts
Mike or John mew should react to this video, can you contact them?
Mewing cured my TMJ. I used to get severe popping of the jaw. Now i can eat, sleep, breath, and speak with total control and comfort, thanks to Dr. Mike Mew and Dr. John Mew.
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As I said in the video, many people will find that their baseline habitual posture is pretty bad. There are many things that will lead to some improvement. I’m glad to hear you’ve found relief from mewing. In my view, in the long run, you’ll be even better off if you address your body posture using an accurate model and a rational system.
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@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147mewing involves posture it's just people aren't aware
Same here, I got tmj in lockdown when I made my posture very bad using my laptop. However if you were mewing, you would also have been a little more thoughtful of your posture which may have also contributed to your improvement. It is the same in my case
Humans naturally prefer nose breathe because it's the body's most efficient way of filtering out carbon dioxide, when we swallow our tongues goes to the top of our mouths. Keep in mind that we constantly swallow our saliva. Those are the two criterias of, "Mewing", which means "Mewing" is natural. How do people think it's some magical technique that's going to make their jaw/chin attractive?
Well think about it. Humans used to always have that posture, thats why old skeletons had better aligned teeth( and also chewing harder foods). In the modern age, due to factors I dont know, people are breathing trough their mouth and that is making their face shape deform. Mewing isn't the magical secret technique. The only reason it changes anything is becasue most people don't have good mouth posture. It's just a way of getting back to your natural face form.
>filtering out carbon dioxide
The opposite, it decreases overall oxygen intake which in turns of course increases body co2 levels, which is a good thing.
@@anynamez7048 it filters, heats and humidifies the air you breath in, better than breathing from thé mouth. Nothing to do with quantity of oxygen intake.
Oxygen intake decrease and CO2 saturation increase is not a good thing either.
@@yellowstz it absolutely has an effect on overall oxygen intake. how can you deny such a thing when it can clearly be measured? lol
>Oxygen intake decrease and CO2 saturation increases
ah yes, oxygen now has less of an affinity to hemoglobin... SO BAD!!
@@anynamez7048 Maybe I don’t understand because english is not my language but I don’t agree, i’d love to see your data.
Explain to me in what world having less affinity to hemoglobin and CO2 sat increase is a good thing.
I can’t think of any situation where hypercapnia is not a bad sign
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Don't babies Mew with suction hold, so if babies do it isn't natural way God intended to function, just asking?
Facts, babies use suction to extract milk from their mother's nipples
& There is a positive correlation between children who were *not* breastfed & dental malocclusions
We must ask why baby suction? Because baby are breast fed, so they must suck the nipple in their mouth, that means the tongue should be in low, to put the nipple on it, and when the baby suction, the tongue will press the nipple to the roof of the mouth, if the baby don't eating i think there is no meaning of sucking all day
@@DucNguyen-DN well it's not harmful to them.
The tongue must go to the roof of the mouth when swallowing, whether you’re a baby or an adult. The question is if it should always be there.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 okay but the thing though if you open babies mouth the tongue with suction hold is always on the roof.
1) is a non sequitur, the fact that “if the the tongue is what hold the maxilla why when you speak bla bla your face doesn’t get groopy?”
Because it’s not how it works, it’s not as the structure is simply not so malleable that it immediately collapses or immediately changes shape. The tongue acts as a transmitter of mechanotransduction more than a floor for your maxilla to not drop. And the more time (and pressure) you spend there the more tension you trasmiss
2) you’re right when you say that they have no clue about how to actually get people in a more neutral alignment and how their view is semplicistic. It’s a whole body problem
3) if the tongues being constantly on top is not the X factor to make the expansion, what would it be? And why anedoptically the one who have those posture have more expanded structure? Because you are forced to put your tongue in the roof of your mouth when you swallow, why is it not sufficient then?
4) I suggest you to check PRI theory, they also mention tongue as an expander (and they do not overfocus like mew does)
5) my main conceirn about mewing is the lower jaw. Okay, we get that there is a way to expand your maxilla. But how it does work in the lower jaw? The “one follows each other” make 0 sense, if that would be the case MSE would be useful also for a lower expansion but it’s not the case. Is it about mastication cross sectional size (muscle)?
For the 1) is because you follow their definition which are not reasonable. It’s not the face that “droops” is the palate that don’t receive enough tension. The expansion doesn’t occur. Gravity (which would be the factor of the droopiness) don’t make your body collapse, in contrary, it actually make your structure bigger and more dense. It’s tension. And tension is a stimulus for your body to grow, not a bad thing
I’ve listened the last minutes,you’re oversemplificating as they do. Check PRI
I think there’s some confusion. I’m not saying the head droops because of gravity, I would agree that it’s a lack of tension. The torso also droops due to a lack of appropriate tension.
1. It sounds like you don’t believe that the tongue is needed to support the front of the head/maxilla. If the tongue is merely signaling to the musculature in that area to act, why do you believe you need to tongue to do that job? Can you activate the musculature without making an unneeded swallowing gesture? Is using the tongue as a signal a crutch?
3. How about the musculature that connects to the sides of the upper mouth? Wouldn’t those be the muscles to use to expand palate, not the tongue which has other jobs it must perform?
1) so whats the actual point?
2) its not stritcly needed as a fact, but it’s the most efficient way to do so. It’s a 24/7 continuos force which leads what I was describing. But yea, any other force that act the same way does the same jobs, tongue is not inherently sacred (mse is the same thing on a bigger scale)
3)so what do you specifically identify to be the X factor? What exactly?
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Btw idk if it’s my problem or yours but I’m not receveing any notifications from your post
Worked for me, maybe because I'm still a teen but who knows
Good video.
What do you mean at 11:00
Put your hand to your throat and swallow. The thing moves few centimeters very fast.
Now try placing tongue to different places -- almost no movement. It returns back for suction hold, or I do something you don't.
Anyhow, my friend I've met in a gym has shown considerable "better looks" (who cares) by simply mewing as a grown man (25+). Mewing is not supposed to work by then, but it does with massive effort or excercise of every single mucle in the body. Rigorous training and "face yoga" as he calls it. "Ákos marco" on RUclips.
Anecdote and exceptionally rigorous training, sure. It is not what a general population is going to achieve, but does it make it false?
Yeah it's anecdotal, but I feel better when the duction holds my tongue. Impaired brathing is not what I experience. On the contrary, especially during cold weather my nose closes up. So Mewing makes it easier to breath, I don't know.
15:00 A strawman. You know better. It's so annyoing. Mew: "It is to give slight pressure". Stawman: "It's to hold up your whole head"
Besides speaking is exaption of the tongue, not directly evolved for speech. Speech is not a primary or evolved function of the tongue, but it happens to be useful for speech.
And for positive view, besides of simple criticism:
* Daily excercise and hanging from trees or bars is what humans do. We are monkeys, and we move with gripping objects above us with hands.
This has significantly improved many aspects of my life. The excercise of calisthenics can be started by gripping a bar and giving part of your weight to it. I started at 120kg, so there is no excuses. Daily excercise including hangs.
* Mouthbreathing is not kosher.
Dry mouth, tooth decay, feels bad in throat. Not Kosher for freezing temperatures. It hurts even during summer. Mewing is actionable way to not mouthbreathe.
Good video. I think my unending acid reflux began before I started getting into this stuff in 2016, but it was definitely exacerbated. Even just lowering my tongue deliberately for the first time in years gives a weird throat sensation.
There can be other factors, but getting the upper torso forward and up and getting the larynx back and down can really help close the esophagus.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Amazing job with this video! It's really an eye-opener. I have a question though that hadn't been answered by the video: Without the tongue on the roof of the mouth, how does one develop a wide palate? Are there any muscles that support the maxilla laterally like there are muscles that support the maxilla? Because it's pretty convincing to me what the Mews say, that the tongue retains the width of the palate, and if there is no tongue, the palate narrows. Cheers!
Yes, there are muscles that are attached to the sides of the upper mouth, and they are typically underused, especially in those who have had orthodontic work. It’s also an issue of the fascia in this area, which needs to be made taut. I will be going in depth on this area in the not too distant future. We have much more control over this area than most people would think, it's just that most people have never tried to consciously control the musculature of their throat/jaw in a rational way.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147Amazing video mate! One question related to the width of the palate. I have seen a video in the playlist of head and neck where you give the direction of the smile behind the eyes to widen the upper palate, but what happens with the lower palate? Will in some point the upper palate be so much wider than the lower so it produces malocclusion? Is there a direction to widen the lower palate? Thanks!
@@juanbasualdo5328 can you link the video on question please? Thank you
@@juanbasualdo5328 can you link the video in question?
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 thanks for the reply. looking forward for the video :)
Notwithstanding the ostensibly perspicacious anatomization of glossal repositioning and its purported deleterious sequelae, the proffered critique demonstrably evinces a paucity of comprehension vis-à-vis certain salient facets and neglects critical corroborative evidence substantiating the efficacy of this orofacial praxis. Permit me to elucidate several points of contention that warrant exegesis:
Primordially, the critique posits that this glossal maneuver induces laryngeal elevation, thereby impeding eupnea. While deglutition indubitably precipitates laryngeal ascension to safeguard the trachea, the practice in question does not necessitate a complete act of deglutition. The canonical methodology entails gentle suction of the glossa against the palatum durum et molle, obviating significant laryngeal ascension. Myriad individuals, including the undersigned, have engaged in this praxis for protracted durations sans experiencing respiratory compromise. Indeed, certain investigations intimate that optimal lingual disposition may ameliorate airway dimensions and diminish nasal impedance.
Secundarily, the critique repudiates the glossa's role in maxillary sustentation, asserting that the entirety of the corporeal edifice, particularly the dorsal musculature, governs cephalic posture. While the musculoskeletal apparatus indubitably contributes to posture holistically, discounting the glossa's influence constitutes an egregious oversimplification. The glossa is a formidable muscle possessing substantial attachments to the os hyoideum, mandibula, and indirectly to the cranium. Copious studies evince the glossa's pivotal role in craniofacial ontogeny and its impact on maxillary positioning. This praxis fosters proper lingual disposition, which may counteract the caudal and posterior gravitational traction and other forces acting upon the maxilla.
Tertiary, the critique conflates this glossal repositioning with the conventional postural paradigm and its emphasis on protracted cephalic posture. While certain proponents may advocate for mental retraction, this is not a ubiquitous recommendation. The paramount focus of this praxis resides in optimal glossal disposition and nasal respiration, not cephalic retraction per se. In fact, numerous advocates acknowledge the limitations of the conventional postural model and espouse a more holistic approach to corporeal alignment.
Quaternary, the critique equates this practice to a perpetual state of deglutition, insinuating that it is an unnatural and potentially deleterious position. This is a patent misrepresentation. The praxis does not entail incessant swallowing. It involves maintaining a gentle suction hold of the glossa against the palatum, which constitutes a natural resting position for the glossa when the buccal cavity is closed and nasal respiration is engaged.
Quinary, the critique concedes anecdotal accounts of the practice's benefits but ascribes them to heightened glossal proprioception rather than the specific praxis per se. While augmented awareness undoubtedly plays a role, it fails to fully elucidate the observed alterations in facial structure reported by myriad individuals. There is burgeoning evidence, encompassing case studies and observational research, suggesting that this practice can engender improvements in facial aesthetics, airway dimensions, and even dental occlusion.
Senary, the critique champions a holistic approach to posture, addressing the entire corpus rather than fixating solely on the buccal cavity. Proponents of this praxis wholeheartedly concur with this tenet. We recognize that optimal posture necessitates the harmonious interplay of all corporeal components. This glossal repositioning is not intended to supplant other postural interventions but rather to complement them. By promoting proper glossal disposition and nasal respiration, it can contribute to a more equilibrated and integrated postural system.
In summation, this orofacial praxis represents a facile yet potentially efficacious practice that addresses the oft-neglected role of the glossa in craniofacial development and overall posture. While further investigation is warranted to fully comprehend its mechanisms and long-term effects, the extant evidence and anecdotal reports suggest that it can be a valuable instrument for ameliorating facial aesthetics, airway salubrity, and potentially even dental occlusion. Dismissing this practice based on erroneous preconceptions and incomplete comprehension would be a disservice to its potential benefits. As with any health practice, it is imperative to approach it with an open mind, appropriate tutelage, and a commitment to a holistic approach to well-being.
On your first point, I’m not saying that putting the tongue on the roof of the mouth necessitates a complete act of swallowing. It’s partially putting you into swallowing mode - that is it's partially opening the esophagus while shortening the pharynx. You say the typical practice of mewing does not require “significant” lifting of the larynx, which does seem to be a concession that it will lift the larynx.
On your second point, yes, the tongue is certainly relevant to oral posture. My claim is that it is not particularly relevant to holding the head up. Every part of the body works together, so no part can be excluded, but the tongue has a specific set of tasks it must do. It’s not suited to perpetually holding the maxilla up.
On your third point, I’m glad to hear you recognize issues in the standard model of posture and retraction of the head. This video specifically addresses the Mews and their advice, so naturally I address the things they have directly claimed.
On your fourth point, I called it a swallowing gesture because it’s a set of movements that is similar to swallowing. I’ve seen Mike Mew demonstrate mewing many times, and you can see that he is clearly making a gesture that is very similar to swallowing. My point was not that you are literally swallowing all the time.
On your fifth point, I think you’ve misunderstood. I’m not saying mere awareness is what causes changes from mewing. Most people allow their tongue to be shortened, narrowed, and twisted in their mouth and give no thought to if their head is drooping. From that bad starting point, there is a lot that will lead to improvement. That doesn’t mean that every practice that leads to improvement is ideal, nor does it mean that there aren’t better methods for improvement.
On your sixth point, I acknowledged this multiple times. My criticism is of the acceptance of the standard model of posture that I argue is highly flawed.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 you got baited by an AI prompt
@@Killzone626 Can you share some insight on this? Because the post does contain ideas that respond directly to the video, but it’s obviously written in an absurd way. I assumed it was a troll with a thesaurus or something. Did he run an actual response through an AI?
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 the guy has one video about machine learning on his channel, he probably downloaded the auto generated subtitles of the video and gave some Large Language Model the prompt to give a critique on the text in a highly convoluted manner of speech. LLMs like to summarize their paragraphs in sections and numerations.
@@Killzone626 Interesting. What a strange use of time.
After 1 week of mewing my nose opened up. I can reathe more freely (minus the days i get sinusitis once every 3 months, although I used to have chronic sinusitis before mswing.
What is the correct way to chew and swallow then?
I have a question. I'm almost certain that the Hamstrings are related to the bad posture. Just don't know how. Can you explain or make a video about it. I also observed (anecdotal ofc) that most postural problems and discomfort originate from the legs. Don't know if thats a correct assumption.
Most people are leaning forward (they lean back with the upper torso, but lean forward with nearly everything below). This causes the weight of the body to be at the front of the foot, ankle, and knee. Many people will pull the knee back to help prevent falling forward, while the upper thigh continue to lean forward with the lower torso. People also tend to sit on the backs of their legs (instead of sitting on their sit bones with their thighs not touching the chair). All of these things cause the hamstrings to be seriously discombobulated and sometimes deadened. My video on the legs to cover this to a certain extent. You need to get the legs abducted, and widened more at the back (as most people narrow the legs at the back and overly widen the front). You also need to address the torso so that you are not leaning forward out over your toes.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 interesting. You're basically describing the biomechanical diagram 22:15
And i agree about the sitting part. I always felt uncomfortable sitting with my thighs touching the chair. I always fold my knees and only sit with my rear. That was probably how ancient humans sat on the ground around a campfire after a long day
there is also a rotional component: Internal on medial hamstrings and external on lateral. Also 3d hip mobility and pelic posture.leg axis, point of gravity and sacrum poition all relate locally. Also pelvic floor and alignment of all diaphragms in an osteopatic sense.
My conclusion: (Actual video conclusion 25:50)
Mewing is better than the average posture, like mouth breathing. Facial issues root from the whole body poster. Having the correct poster and oral posture should give perfect body and oral health.
Mewing is only a supplement to "pushing/supporting" your maxilla and correct posture should be preferred over mewing instead. Mewing also makes it harder to breathe/speaking as it makes the trachea smaller.
My response:
Yes, I know this is a critique vide on Mewing.
What's the solution, you said that having the correct body posture will lead to correct oral posture, could you give more details? The video points out the issues with mewing, but does not provide a solution(yes, the video is not intended to provide a solution I know but it would be nice to have one)
Hoping you could make a video on correct oral and body posture to fix oral issues.
If there's no know solution currently, then would mewing(perhaps a version of it) be better than doing nothing or doing a mediocore(speculated(?)) version of the solution you implied?
correct posture using initial alexander technique. THere's a video playlist on it here on yt. This guy also has a video on ribcage and how the sternum must be oriented. The solution is basically "just having the correct posture". There aren't reps for any of that. Your back must lengthen and your pelvis must also be correct to prevent the organs from spilling out.
The solution is fairly obvious because he tells your what your posture must approximately look like
This video was already quite long, so I’m sure you can understand it didn’t make sense to add another twenty minutes giving a detailed explanation of the model and system I support. I do have about 100 videos that cover my viewpoint in both broad and specific terms. In my view, Jeando Masoero's system called the Initial Alexander Technique is the most effective system at improving posture, and provides a vastly superior model of posture than the standard model.
But to give you the very short answer, essentially you need to return due tension to the connective tissues of the body, in particular the fascia. This is done by reorienting the bone and bony structures through consciously directed, coordinated movements. These lengthening and widening movements take the body out of its habitual crumpled, narrowed, and shortened state. The basis of the system is using specific directions to guide movements, and your success in making the movements is verified using visual feedback from video recording. The video can demonstrably show you reorienting the bony structures to their correct relative positions which produces a visible increase in stature and a reduction in drooping, bulging, and unnecessary bending.
Could you please show the results of your method using photos of people or use a source for what you are teaching?
I have some students now who will allow me to use their images, so I will have some specific analysis like this is the not too distant future. I'm essentially teaching Jeando Masoero's system called the Initial Alexander Technique.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 Many thanks, I'm subscribed and I've been watching your videos.
I think that mewing had a vast adoption, because Dr Mew uses a lot of photos/videos showing the results.
I'll be looking about Jeando Masoero's system.
haven't watched it yet but i know its gonna be fire
Your content must get more attention, it is fascinatingly eye opening and simple. But I think you are wrong about some things as exercise doesn’t help and tongue mustn’t be on the roof of your mouth. Consider it and think about it throughly. Weakened muscles can’t hold bones properly which gives fasha a chance to shorten ( I think so), and in the proper position with open airways my tongue is always goes up to the roof without any effort ( when I used to mew, I had to do it myself but now with somewhat correcting my posture it is natural)
i think he's right about exercise. Excercise is mostly for the muscles. This is a bone issue. If squatting with strict posture fixes your problems, by all means go ahead. it definitely made things a bit better for me. But i doubt if gym will fix a shortened back. That was caused by years of bad habits. I will agree that he hasn't touched the deeper topics like hip flexors and hamstrings which are also responsible for poor posture. Human biomechanics are not easy to understand. But he is right about the back and the shoulders. i haven't seen any tribes in africa with that ridiculous "retracted shoulder" posture that the standard model proposes (although their shoulders aren't so forward like this guy proposes)
I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with general exercise and using your muscles. My point is that typical, repetitive exercises are not going to change your habitual posture because you’re going to go deeper into your habit to do the exercise. Also, if you’re using your body correctly, your muscles will not be deteriorating to the point of needing to work out because you will be engaging them properly all day long. It’s not going to get you huge muscles, but muscles are only in a weakened state because they’re habitually being used incorrectly (and lacking the appropriate interaction with the fascia/other connective tissues).
humans (i believe) evolved to breathe through the nose, because the nose filters out air and prevents disease and soot buildup from smoke.
a newborn baby will not open its mouth to inhale, and exhale.
"mewing" is a way to cope with a "bad face structure" because, even before i shut my mouth, i still had a relatively visible and good jawline. it's really not about where you tongue is placed, but how much fat you have.
The a bone structure of the jaw won't be fixed by lower body fat. I see skinny people all the time with bad jaw lines.
Though it's debatable if the reason is a small jaw from low testosterone/a lack of chewing hard foods or bad tongue posture (or a combination of the two.)
@@yippy7951 lower body fat simply makes your bones more prevelant, like your mandible and your cheekbones.
and small jaws can be caused by the pre-natal environment (the womb), and post-natal things
Where should my tongue rest then, at the bottom? And you should make a video about the correct sleeping posture.
I will address this in more detail in the follow-up video, and there are some videos in my series on the neck and head that address this. The short answer, you want your tongue to be widened, with the tongue kept forward while the larynx is kept back and down. The tongue can be kept generally low, though to be clear you don’t want to pull it super far down or go to the bottom of the mouth.
7:30 Dr Mike Mew have got long right hand🤣
Didn't notice that. 😂
It should be noted that mewing is superior to orthodontics, but it's not that good at pushing the back side of the maxilla. More like the front one
Isaac, what would happen to a person who got bimax continued to do the wrong movements with bad posture, would their maxilla go back again?
I'm not entirely sure. If they've surgically reshaped the bones, I don't think you'd go back to your starting point, but you'd trend towards your original posture. I would think you'd probably end up with some neck and back issues as well.
I've been mewing for almost a year now and it gets me results, but the thing is that my tongue is so developed that I can't stop mewing. The problem is when I mew longer my ears itch and my throat hurts, I have asymmetry on my jaw too. What do you think about my situation? Is there any solution to it?
+1 I have also ear and throat issues
My first question in a situation like this is what’s happening with your torso? An asymmetry of the jaw would indicate that there is a twist in the torso and neck. That’s also going to tend to mean the torso is bent and shortened. Addressing the torso is going to be the starting place. I’m not sure how it would be possible that you can’t stop mewing, but it might help to try widening the tongue, while keeping the tip forward, and pulling the larynx back and down.
Sometimes I feel the ear thing.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147My lower left rib cage is kinda a bit large,I've been injured one time on my left arm because I bump into a chair my arm bump so hard to the ground and I couldn't move my arm since then, and a old girl helped me fix it with a little bit tweaking on my bones they call it "hilot" in our country, and she fixed it. My ribcage feels like asymmetrical also. I think my jaw is asymmetrical because of my teeth, My teeth are uneven since childhood and it even got a tooth gap, I tried braces once but my parents took it off because of low budget. Should I take braces again?
There is a solution. Look into Neal Hallinans channel. This fixed my problem... the left aic/right bc pattern.
Congrats on getting recommended. You are getting a thicc like from me. Good stuff.
It does seem kinda stupid when it is rationally dissected like that. I always just assumed that it wasn't a physical chain of events but just some of the facial and jaw muscles engaging due to the tongue muscle being used like that.
What do you think about the darwinian fitness channel and about expanding the ribcage
Curious as well. DF is a proponent of mewing as well, especially in the use of bracing for weightlifting.
The tongue should be raised to remove the skin under the chin, creating a more prominent jawline.
Therefore, allowing the tongue to rest on the lower incisors while dropping the larynx downward is illogical as it increases the visibility of the skin beneath the chin.
Tell me what u think since beauty is health and that just look like excess fat when done
You absolutely do not want the chin to come down towards the larynx. You want to increase the distance between the chin and the larynx, which will pull the musculature under the chin to be more taut, not less.
Ok thanks brother❤@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147
Wouldn't the masseter play the main part in keeping the mandible up?
I used to mew and now when if i dont i get a little bit of a double chin, is it fine to just rest the tip of the tongue on the palate (without suction) or should tongue touching the palate be avoided completely?
Have a look at all the adjustments he tells you to do simultaneously on this channel before doing this, i don't even have to rest my tip of my tongue on my palate any more and I still have a good jawline, if not better
so our tongue should rest on bottom of mouth and we should stay at your posture?
the tongue is not the major factor for forward growth (although it can help). If you wanna widen your palate, then maybe
@@zzrroott6459 so how to push maxilla upward with his posture?
I will go into more detail in the follow -up video, but the tongue should be kept wide with the tip near the back of the lower teeth and the larynx kept back and down. You don’t want to pull the tongue down to the bottom of the mouth.
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 what about posture it should look same with your maxilla video?
@@truesatann You don’t want to just imitate a posture. The images I use of myself and others that show generally better posture are not going to be perfect. I’m currently in the middle of putting out a series on how to use a reasoned system to improve how you use your body. It’s built around consciously giving yourself directions and using video/mirrors to get the visual feedback you need to confirm that you’re going in the right direction. The directions of movement are what you need to understand and gain the ability to put into practice to change your posture for the better.
How about mewing with just the tip of the tongue touching the palate instead of the whole tongue. This way, the larynx is low while still applying force to move the maxilla up. I tried mewing for a few years now and let me tell you, it feels wrong, but I continued doing it because I was told it was the normal tongue position. During that time, my jaw joints started to hurt, the back of my neck also hurt, and I noticed myself positioning my chin upwards. So, yeah, I agree with what you said in the video. I would like to add that body fat also contributes to the shape of the face like you can't see your jawline if you have a high body fat percentage. That's all.
I would definitely not mew with just the tip of the tongue, you would be likely to end up causing the back of the maxilla to come down and essentially shorten the back of the mouth. Not something that is desirable.
The tipping back of the head/lifting of the chin is definitely a bad habit that can easily be induced by mewing.
But myo?
Starting to think Orthotropics is as much of as a scam as Orthodontics
definitely not. They don't charge you thousands of dollars to remove your teeth and put metal in your mouth. If you actually watched the video, you would know by now that mike and john mew have the right idea but tongue posture is a suboptimal way of fixing it (although it yields some results). Downward maxilla is not the cause but rather the symptom of something else ie bad posture and shortened back
@zzrroott6459 @zzrroott6459 But you have to pay for expensive appliances (similar to Orthodontics). They have the right idea as stated in the video by wanting the maxilla up and forward, but obviously you will get minimal results with a big price tag
@@Matty-H If you have a severely downswung maxilla, only a bimax will fix it (but orbitals can never be fixed). don't know much about this appliance tho. I've only seen mike sell some facial excercises on his mewing app
Sucking on thumb in infancy can develop formation of overbite
only if you do it beyond 2 or 3 years, before then it's fine
instead of "pulling" your shoulders, waist or neck, just do yoga and stretching. it will make you "the perfect" posture without even trying to sustain it forcefully.
speaking from experience.
also, I did this "pulling" of my waist (to not appear crouching in front of the computer) forcefully and developed the weird shape of my spine in my teens. now it's not going away even if i am aware it's wrong. so i need to do yoga to make it "right". otherwise my spine will hurt. never try to change your posture forcefully.
I’ve unfortunately known many yoga teachers who ended up needing hip surgery as they got older. I agree that simply pulling individual parts of the body in a haphazard way will not produce anything desirable, that’s why an accurate model and a rational system are needed to guide yourself into the movements that genuinely will produce better posture.
Stretching can be very bad for the body. PRI is better plus some of us are already too flexible and lose our diaphrams
@@Joshua-yj1eo, i didn't mean "stretching" exactly. I do yoga exercises aimed at supporting back muscles.
There's only like, light stretching of leg biceps and... "pigeon pose"? i guess. it didn't make me stretchy despite doing it for two years. it just made my posture feel "right".
@@differentone_p Unfortunately a lot of yoga poses are bad too.
@@Joshua-yj1eo, idk about that, my experience was only nice☺️
Why is this considered a more attractive facial structure and why are we starting from the assumption it is?
Innate human wisdom bestowed by our DNA
@@Mondscheinelfe Can you prove that in any other way than by making appeals to common sense, "the way things are", or other logically fallacious nonsense?
@@TheTylrBllmn why are beautiful things beautiful?
@@Mondscheinelfe Why does the image of beauty change over time and space?
@@TheTylrBllmnthey don't
If Chico is doing I'm doing as well
This is so unexpectedly interesting lol
I have one side of my maxilla more forward as i can clearly see the shape of the maxilla and that side of cheek bone is also forward and wide well defined while on the other side its recessed if you please tell me what can i do (it was not always like this, thats why i think it can be fixed ) it will be kind of you
Same but tbh I think that’s just normal. We typically swallow and chew more with one side.
While you’re seeing the issue in the maxilla/face, it’s almost certain that your body generally has a similar asymmetry. If your pelvis is cocked to one side, your ribcage is twisted relative to the pelvis, and your neck is twisted, why wouldn’t your face also be asymmetric? Getting your torso lengthened and widened so that your back can support your head will provide the base you need to change the habits in how you’re using your head and face.
Great!
Tongue tied
Nice
My tongue hurts! 😂
Beautiful and very understandable video! Thank you.
Would be also interesting and informative to address other parts of the face/head structure very specifically, since there's alot that goes along with mewing. More about the larynx/pharynx, voicebox, palate, mandible moving, reasoning behind the facial development and it's decline etc.
Like is mewing even natural for humans? Mewing was never known before last 2 decades, most of the people never did it and still we have many evidences of very well developed facial structures in our ancestors.
Everyone woud know it subconsciously on some level, and Mike Mew wouldn't have need to teach everyone ab mewing. Try to put your tongue completely on upper palate with the root of the tongue, as they propose, then breathe, is it harder? Easier? Most people start choking. Unless you just casually keep your tongue up without appliance of very hard force, like some babies after sucking milk without force.
Thanks, I’m planning to go in depth with the mandible in the near future, as that is very much tied up with what’s happening with the maxilla and the face generally.
In my view, mewing is not natural, in the sense that I don’t think it makes sense to constantly put yourself partially into swallowing mode. I would caution, however, on assuming that correct oral posture or general posture will be or feel natural. Modern people are very much disconnected from the environments they were adapted to, and so we can feel quite comfortable in totally heinous and obviously wrong postures. And in that condition, positive movements can feel totally wrong and strange.
Great watch, can clearly see some bro science lover no critical thinking clowns who got butt hurt upon knowing the truth
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speaking all day like teachers is very unnatural, there are mechanisms and muscles that can hold you up during it but they won't provide proper posture, just temporary pseudo stability. not a good argument to use modern professions to refute ancestral mechanisms
You don't think any of our ancestors spoke for an hour? And what about singing?
@@delsartealexandermasoeroyo9147 I don't think anyone ever spoke for more than 10 minutes at once pre civilization. singing a bit accompanied by eating once a day at most is fine, it's been shown to train crucial musculature
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The rational solution is to eat meat, that's it 😅
lmao I definitely won't be lowering my hyoid bone just to become incel
Chances are its too late to ascend. Focus on framemaxxing instead of hyoidmaxxing. Retracted shoulders look silly.
If what you’re saying is that you’re worried that giving up mewing will make you look worse, do bear in mind that improving your posture will make you look more healthy. And as I said in the video, you can get the same kind of facial improvement by addressing your total body posture. My point is using the tongue specifically and this swallowing sort of gesture has downsides and doesn’t get to root cause of the problem. The issue is not just in the face, it’s in the whole body.
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the tongue rests at the top. ask anyone who is attractive. they have it subconsciously on the roof of the mouth.
We know chico did it. Who else