Will Jon Marry A Wildling Princess in the Jon Snow 2024 TV Show?
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2023
- Did you know there is a Wildling Princess in the books called Val who Jon might marry? This short uses evidence from A Game of Thrones, A Clash of Kings, A Storm of Swords, A Feast for Crows, A Dance with Dragons and The Winds of Winter.
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Stannis: "Please dude, take the Winterfell, take the money, take the hot wildling. Im begging you"
Classic Mannis
ai don uanteit
@@lucas._.canha5 you watch glidus and schwift?
Jon : I don want it
Jon Snow is truly one man in 10 000
“Jon Snow, please, take one of the biggest castles of Westeros, a very beautiful woman with a good personality for a wife, and become lord of the biggest kingdom in Westeros as Lord of Winterfell.”
“No.”
Jon Snow: “Muh hunor”
@@heyjoji1954 "I dun wun it."
And later: "ma kween"
"Before the wall, Beyond the Wall, I alone, am the JONoured one."
"They have your sister."
"We ride, MFer."
@@spikegilfer1997he real for that tho
What I recall is that in the books those Stannis' lords were trying to marry her mainly to gain loyality of wildlings because she was sister of wife of the King beyond the wall - Mance (they were wrong, wildlings don't belive in this kind of heritage) her beauty was a nice addition
Yeah, alliance through a marriage in that way is certainly more southern Westerosi. They may gain allies of her particular clan of people, but not all of them.
Yeah, it's because she is considered royalty.
Yah that too but they wanted her cause she was fine like wine as well.
They mention many times that she is as beautiful as, if not more beautiful than, many of the southern women of royalty.
Nahh, they're talking all the time about her beauty
"Lord Crow is welcome to steal into my bed any night he dares. Once he's been gelded, keeping those vows will come much easier for him" - Val, A Dance With Dragons
Daym that’s a bad bitch
Actually she kinda likes jon. And as further proof. Ghost likes val and let's her touch him. Other than jon she's the only other person ghost really likes.
@@jeffreysamson5938That's why I believe jon and her are endgame. GRRM always liked foreshadowing on his books.
King behind the wall and Val
@@jje5713 I hope so.
@@KitKal after the fiasco D and D did with jon and dany. i think jon snow going for val isnt such a bad idea. no matter what he can still make little targeryan babies. only now they will be far stronger with first men abilities with decent level of targeryan blood. if dany then its more targ blood . u get the idea. val works for jon tbh.
stannis basically offer jon more than ned ever had in his whole life
I don't know, perhaps his life, childhood, having a father, education, home, food, siblings and just treatment are enough.
And the name Jon Stark sounds way more badass than Aegon Targaryen.
@@manwiththeredface7821Jon named as Aerion Targaryen or Aemon Targaryen would suit him much better than Jon Stark or Aegon Targaryen
@@Fist3ee
What about Jaehareys
@@Fist3eeno Jon Stark sounds better, no targaryen name suits him
I would had loved Jon to end up with Val
Iam enjoying
In the books, he still could.
@@Leelz247 lol, like they are ever going to get written
Lol don't hold your breath.
Wtf, Val is a very secondary character
Jon was really contemplating on marrying Val.
He even said to himself that he would name his first born son Robb, but his heart was with the Nights Watch.
He decided against it for a few reasons.
And that was The Worst Mistske he would ever made in his life
Why Jon is so committed to the Watch? I know that he want a better situation for the Free folk too so why not just be took the fat opportunity to take the best of both worlds?
@@samaelnemobecause he's a Stark and Starks are honorable 🙄
@@connaeris8230 dumb more like, robb didn't upheld his promise. Ned died for being naive.
@@samaelnemo When Robb and Jeyne Westerling had sex, it was Robb's duty to marry her even if breaking a vow with the Freys. It was honestly the more honorable thing to do.
also in the books ghost totally adores Val and let's her pet him. I was like " yep Jon better marry this woman before the book ends"
Yeah, then there's the fact that Jon thinks that her and Ghost belong together at times.
@@jacklang3314 I'm sure for a fact that every single reader feels that val should be with jon. It literally seems that way. She's helping jon get wildling allies and is not afraid to get down and dirty I mean she's no proper lady but she can fight as well.
@@jeffreysamson5938 I can personally confirm that.
@@jeffreysamson5938it seems like “no proper lady” is jons type tho 🤣 even non romantically. Arya is his favorite person and she’s not a lady (technically yes, but she doesn’t wanna be obviously lmao)
Bro I gotta read these books. They are vastly different from the show. 😂
For me it is another experience far better than show of course.
I usually hate reading but after watching the show I decided to try the books
so far I’m on the first book and it’s way better than the show because you get to read what the characters are thinking and everything is explained much better, there is different characters in the book that the show cut out, and a lot of people who died are still alive and in the first book it’s different from the show sometimes and the show is very different in the later books
Hi how many Books are there.
I would wait untill all are released. I have read them because I didn’t know that Martin is still writing
@@princesswilson5196 10 for now
Jon already "stole" Val when he protected her, Dalla & Mances son during Stannis' attack on the Wildling army 🤷♂️
Val could be his Visenya & Daenerys could be his Rhaenys 🤷🏾♀️❤️
Side note, you used absolutely beautiful art for this short, I ended up screenshoting a couple of them haha
Did you know that "Bride stealing" is a thing among Buryats (girl knows but parents don't). After "stealing" you invite her parents to the "home party" to reveal that it is a marriage and he is marrying their daughter.
Yeah, the Buryats are a subgroup of the Mongols who are well-known for Bride stealing. It's said that it is unknown whether Genghis Khan's first son and successor, Ögedei Khan is truly his son because Genghis Khan's wife was stolen for a period of time.
I really want to read the books but I know they will be amazing, and it will break my heart to wait possibly forever for a conclusion. I just can't put myself through that
It's worth it.
I've listened to the audio books countless times at work, it makes my days a little less boring
I’m on book 2 so far, not so far in and tbh I love to finish a whole series of books if I read them. And I can wait forever for the last two books… these will have me hooked for awhile. I already wanna go and reread the first cause I feel like I may have missed some clues and stuff for my own theories of where GRRM could be going based on how he writes. I say it’s def worth it to read them.
I feel like val is a much better match for jon than dany
You left out she's Mance's sister-in-law.
Stannis 'The Mannis' Baratheon always offers the best deals 😂
He takes "I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children" serious.
Stannis:"Jon please take Winterfell and this wonderful woman."
Jon:"Nuh Uh"
Val is scheming with Mance. She has feigned compliance to Stannis and somewhat led Jon on to gain a tactical advantage in the Free Folk’s struggle (against the Watch) for control of Castle Black and the Wall.
Only after she had opportunity to speak with Mance (who is skilled at scaling walls, so could visit her whenever he so desired without anyone else’s knowledge) did she agree to venture North of the Wall and treat with Tormund “on Jon’s behalf”.
Furthermore, Mance straight up told Jon that he was scheming (when they discussed him going to Winterfell to try and rescue “Arya”) and he missed it. This perhaps cost Jon his life.
Wait, didn't jon ask Val to treat with Tormund AFTER Mel sent Mance to Winterfell? And how could no one see some wildling climb the wall of the King's tower? And how does Val know about Rattleshirt being Mance? He would need to remove the glamour magic, and Mel is the only one to be able to do that no?
@@anormalperson7161
As Melisandre would say: “The night is Dark and full of terrors.” This terror was a skilled wildling climber shooting up a tower wall in light clothing (when most people were asleep).
Also, he’s removed the ruby by the time he turns up at Winterfell. If they were feigning subservience to Stannis, Mance likely made out the hold Mel had over him was stronger than it actually was. Jon himself observes that the glamour is largely just Rattleshirt’s garb (which could be removed).
Also, if Val doesn’t know that Mance is still alive (so hasn’t seen it with her own eyes), how does she convince Tormund to come to Castle Black?
As far as Tormund should be concerned, they burned the last King beyond the Wall and he’s now top of their hit list. If there’s a scheme in play, he is far more likely to bring the Wildling host to Castle Black.
I locket hope in the books done wildling becomes king of the 7 kingdoms and the screw o er all the others
@Rob T
Tormund saving his people from Others by treating with the lord commander of the night's watch isn't that far fetched, is it? Why must there be a deeper layer to every single decision made... But then again, 12 years of wait will do that to a fandom
@@anormalperson7161
Answer me this: Why does the word “Crow” appear in the “Bastard…” letter (and what is the significance of an exclusively Wildling word appearing in a letter purportedly written by Ramsey Snow) if Mance isn’t scheming?
ok bro, the artwork here is AMAZING
"I dun want it, Stannis. You're muh King"
Imagine having a king offer you a title, a castle, a hot wife and revenge on your families foes but you choose the frozen prison colony
Let's hope Jon reconsiders this offer after (or if) he's ressurrected in TWOW!
Which it piss me right off that cut this storyline out, what did did that they join the characters of Mother Mole and Val Wild-ling Princess!!!!. to the Chief Woman in the series.
Jon respects the first law of the bro code: "Bros before hoes."
We're in mourning for the plot. 😂
Stannis: offers Jon literally everything he could have possibly wanted and a legitimate means of claiming it.
Jon Snow: "I don't want it."
Sounds like show Jon...."I dont want it, I never did".
Yes you do. You're lying to yourself so that you don't look like a bad guy for wanting Winterfell
I think he might've said yes had he not become the Lord Commander in the same or following chapter. Or at least when he hears about 'Arya' if he wasn't Lord Commander at the time.
i think that jon and val are already married in the wildling culture and costume.
They are, but Jon doesn't see that
I remember shipping them like crazy in the books...
haha same, I don´t know if it was just me, but I always felt this unresolved sexual tension between the two. My oh my....
Winds of winter about to go crazy
if it ever be published
@@YKS_SavascisiI think Winds of Winter will be, but Martin will pass away before A Dream of Spring.
@@TheStraightestWhitest I think he is secretly done with both, but waits with publcing until after his death
‘I dun wun it’
Lol
Yes you do
Not because she's beautiful. Its because they think she's the wildling princess
These shorts tell me that the books are bloated with info.
They really are. The show doesn't even compare to the books. The show merely scratched the surface of the novels.
They are. Sometimes even too much so.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Well the book is written by a nerd who loves lore for nerds who love lore. There's no such thing as "too much info" for us lore loving nerds lmao. But for the casual readers it definitely could be a little much.
In theory, you’d think it’ll work, but Jon and Val will never work together. He wants a Lady, he wants to be a lord and he wants a traditional wife and kids, Val will never be that woman for Jon, she doesn’t want that life. And his “fantasy” about being married to Val were more tied to him being Lord of Winterfell (which he’s always wanted as a child because he wanted to be true born) not for anything about Val herself. Not to mention his honor, love for the Starks, and insecurities were always going to stop him from taking that deal. Because as he said, Winterfell belongs to Sansa.
Jon and Val had crazy chemistry to.
Jon X Val
Dany X Aegon/FAegon
I'm down with that
Blackfyres and Targaryens together finally?
@@Mithrandir523 but Jon's the true air to the throne
They wouldnt accept jon as a blackfyre
@@IAMWINTER- even if Jon is the son of Rhaeghar he will always be a bastard the is no such thing as divorce in westoros
@@lonemotheomatshaba9640 but there is such a thing as polygamy and multiple wives. Rhaegar can be married to elia and lyanna both at the same time
I’d love them to end up together:)
And he doesn’t want it. 😂.
Stannis - please take everything take winterfell, take a hot beautiful chick, take all of my money. Hell take the bloody seven kingdoms.
Jon - I don’t want it.😂😂
did you know that, in the books, Jon died & all we have to compare are Fire Wights & Varamyr Sixskins?
we don't even know if Jon will be a POV character, as Cat POV chapters ended when she died & Lady Stoneheart has had none since then.
Describes her incredible beauty.... Shows photo of joker without makeup.
😂😂😂😂
Val even kind of looks like Dany, I wonder if the two will ever meet in the books.
Not really, in terms of appearance she and Dany are very different. Val is described as having hair the colour of dark honey and eyes that at times look like either blue or pale grey.
@@henriquecesardesouzasilva8766 There are physical differences, I agree. But Val is written like Dany, is to be read like Dany. Val is always in white clothes which narratively serves the purpose of reminding us of Dany, who wears a white lion pelt often and has silver hair. Moreover both are sought after for political marriages and are remarked as beautiful because of it.
Love what you are doing with this..I miss Game of Thrones!!!
He also had to renounce his father's Gods and he couldn't do that.
He has to marry so his dragon bloodline can continue
THE WINTERFIRE (that's how I think Jon's new second name will be post-ressurrection as a way to accept and put together his Targaryen-Stark lineage in one) BLOODLINE MUST CONTINUE!!!
The snow show will never be made
Hopefully
That'd be great news
It’s in production
When Jon is reanimated, he will desire human flesh, if you know what I mean (Val) 😉
JAJAJA
I think when he is reanimated he will be a bit like ghost and the stark part of him will die waking up the dragon also he would have silver white hair
@@udhavbhatia6424 No I dont think so
tendrá que conformarse con Satin porque Val está más allá del muro xd.
I have a mental image of Wildlings with partial, if not full, Targaryen features, given how Jon is a Targaryen, and it is possible for any children he sires to be born with said features.
Jones might know nothing, but he knows how to use his tongue.
I hope jon gets resurrected! Either that or sansa becomes a bit of a bad ass and claims the iron throne
Why did they keep showing Crystal Gayle for Val?🤷🏼♂️ ( I call her that because right after she promised she would be right behind her kids at Hardhome I started singing🎵 Don't it make your brown eyes bloooooo🎶😯😆. 🤓😎✌🏻
Jon: I dun wan her
I cant believe they are doing this
I hope not. Val isn’t good enough for Jon. She wants to kill that sweet little Shireen. Val is trash.
I volunteer as tribute!😂😂😂
Bruh i forgot about this whole storyline in books.
whats the song in the backround
Maybe we'll meet val in "Snow"
She and the others are trying to let him marry her and still refuses, 🙂🙂🙂
The Stark in him is too strong.
@@DLR1997 fck my “ Stark” blood when I see her
@@anonymousmessage6635 i would all over her once i see her
@@DLR1997well that part of him would die when he is ressurected and he would be more Targaryen
This video reminded me I should probably reread book 5
what is the background song called
Marrying a side-side-side character? Never gonna get written. Jon's too important to marry an extra. Or George forgot about him already.
she is not an extra, read the damn books
@@nathanlima2595 you are right she is not an extra, she is a bit player whose only contribution is to make George R. R. Martin write even slower. I bet she will be forgotten until she is suddenly killed.
@@larryperlas7616 did you read the books?
@@nathanlima2595 I did, I still think she is insignificant
I hope Jon ends up with Val by the end of the book. Their interactions are so fun in the books.
Most of us do
Yeah.
I hope Jon and her get together in the book instead of him being with “muh kwein.”
Val is not a princess but no one "believes" her because it's better for them if she is considered a princess. She is actually Mance Ryder's sister in law (sister of his deceased wife) and Val keeps telling everyone she is not a princess but they don't care
So we missed ALL the GOOD STUFF!?
There is wil Theory that Jonny and Val are siblings, twins, children of Ned & Ashara
Stannis “alright I will give you one of the most powerful castles in Westeros raise you to a lord paramount and a warden, I will also give a beautiful wildling wife so you can continue the Stark line, all you have to do is join me.”
Jon “I don’t want it.”
….he sent mance rayder…. They even describe his yellow eyes
Birgitte Hjort Sørensen👍
das sound machine!
I thought its Vax and Keyleth
Jon and older women trying to take advantage of him. Jon's age is
never made concrete. He is likely around 17 in Dance. Ygritte was in her 20s and Val is likely a similar.
So while compared to other "relationships" in the series, like Dany (14) and Khal Drogo (like 30), its not too weird.
But in canon, Jon has been a man grown for a while now and as mentioned, was expected to rule Winterfell
Jon starts out as a 14 year old, so he can't be older than 15-16 in Dance. Remember Robb's wife has yet to give birth.
@@CandVocaloiziiPlang1 and most likely would never will
His is fifteen about to turn sixteen by the end of dance and Ygritte is in her twenties. I would guess that Val is in her late teens to early twenties
@@DLR1997Val is older than Ygritte
@@javierlopez9789 make it late twenty's;early thirties
Lol... you keep saying "Wideling."
I dont think the Wildlings would take that slight too well. 😂
Well watch it show and read the books to find out
Stannis literally begging John at this point
He probably most likely end up with the night walker queen, thus history repeats itself
Man i would love that Jon having two of the best looking freefolk
Book Ygritte was average, show was better. Val I can agree
I wanna watch a show with just jon and ghost out surviving in the wilds, maybe fighting off a few beasties, saving lives, but in the end finding a place to settle down. Give me my cheesy happy ending!!!😂
Jon points out the wildlings dont follow anyone because of lineage so the princess bit isnt a thing 😅 but she is kickass and beautiful so yaknow
Perfect casting because tht lady is beautiful
Now I see D&D were right with Jon's "I dun want it"
There wont be any books. The old man got his money
Well somebody needs to continue it. That's fucked up. We've been robbed.
the woman you're showing DIED! then became a walker.
unpopular opinion: I'm not a fan of this couple and also of Val's character. not because I don't like her but she seems to be put there to play the cool and badass character (because she's beautiful and knows how to fight etc) but without having any real depth and she seemed like a character "already seen" in the book. another warrior girl, fierce and bold-talking. it would have been interesting to see a warrior girl who still loves the ways of ladies, introverted and shy. even her relationship with Jon doesn't convince me. I think Jon is attracted to her but I don't see anything else, knowing little about Val, it's difficult to see any depth in their relationship either. If I had seen a friendship in which they opened up more to each other and had a more mature bond, perhaps I would see it differently. But then I don't even see the point in putting her together with Jon. he has already been with a wildling girl and it has been seen that there are enormous cultural differences which then reflect on the couple. and Val is not shown to be that different from all the other wildling girls. at least she had been of the Thenn where they think a little differently or show Val as a different girl among the wildlings. What's the point of putting Jon with Val and then having him deal with the same issues he had with Ygritte? (and I'm not saying this because I don't see Jon and Daenerys together)
Val also said it would be easier for Jon to keep his vows after she gelds for trying to steal her so I don't get your point
What she meant was that she would geld him now in order to keep his vows if she wanted to.
Plus she said that as a joke
@DLR1997 women fighting the man is kind of the whole point of the wildling custom so no that's not true
@@alias9236LMAO Val is fond of Jon and there is a chance that he is a Mormont. Also, if I'm not wrong in one part, Val tells Jon that she wouldn't mind if he stole her, half joking and half sexual tension.
@FernandoAlvarez-hz6hb bruh how the fuck is he a Mormons I've never heard this theory, the wildling custom is for the woman to try to kill the one stealing them, if ygritte had a a chance to try to kill Jon she would have but she didn't get the chance to. I agree that they are flirting but that doesn't mean she'll just start a relationship like a kneeler
She will be his love interest in snow sequel
You do know that when Jon comes back heads are going to roll, right?
I think a resurrected Jon Snow (who will totally be a different, colder, and savage, person) will take winterfell and Marry Val. But i think itll be a loveless marriage, purley for an heir to winterfell, and wildling alliance. Prolly a similar relationship to Aegon & Visenya
Are we absolutely sure that Jon Snow is not Ned Starks son??? Because he certainly carries the major flaws like Ned, like insurmountable honor…
He lived with him all of his life; he could have learned that from him
@@DLR1997Not to mention he does have Stark blood in his veins. But who knows what sort of ruthless monster we'll get once he returns from the dead. Lol
Well because his real father was also a good man and was pretty honerable, Jon also has Stark blood in him, was raised by Ned himself because Cat was being herself
That would be awesome if he got to marry
When people tell me how good the show is and I scream at them that it sucks compared to the books
I would have accepted once and for all
I’d be laughing my *ss off if he stayed dead.
*I DON WANET!*
I'm confused, is this a sigma or a beta move? Seems like everything isn't sigma or beta after all.
We love you Joan I know nothing snow
This poor man still thinks the last 2 books will come out.
Doesn’t she add that she’d geld him so he’d have a easier time keeping his vows
That was obviously a Joke. She is teasing him
Too bad we wont ever know since George will never finish the book
I ship these two
😮