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I like how Alicent talks down to and judges Rhaenyra for her family’s queer customs only to just fall in line with the rest of them and allow her kids to marry each other. 😆
EXACTLY 💯
She had to fall in line, her husband is, umm, THE KING. Any type of defiance, negligence and/or malfeasance is most likely going to end up in DEATH.
@@TXbornTNpaid615 yeah not so much with this KING. He tells Cole to stand down and she screams “No! You are sworn to me!” Urging him to go carve one of the KINGS grandsons eyes, and then proceeds to stab his eldest daughter and heir. That seems pretty defiant, negligent, etcetera etcetera. No consequences. He lets a lot of shit slide.
i think Alicent rather swalloed her pride and had her children betrothed to eachother than to see helaena be betrothed to Jace
She isn’t wrong, they do have a queer custom but as her children are now Targaryen’s they follow suit. Nothing odd or hypocritical about that. She doesn’t get to choose shit
What if Helena’s kids are really Aemond’s. If so then “A son for a son” is really gonna hit different
Apparently daemon dies while killing him and vhagar
@@cuffysworld2177 I could recall incorrectly, but I think the second-hand account that said that his Daemon's body was never found said that he might have lived. I am looking forward to what they do with it
Now that's a twist
It would actually makes more sense since its Aemond the one who kills Luke first.
The "BEAST BENEATH THE BOARDS" has nothing to do with the Raenys and her dragon. She's said it 2x at random times, yes both before the DRAGON pit scene, but she's referring to LARYS STRONG. Who has been in rooms, under stairs, and behind walls in the red keep.
Once you realize Helaena's a dreamer, if you go back and rewatch the episodes with infant Helaena, you notice that she's always crying, and not typical baby fussing. She sounds like she's constantly screaming in horror, it's chilling.
Targaryen¿
You could also see how Aegon stared at Aemond when Jace and Helaena were dancing as if Aegon is more concerned how Aemond is taking it.
Or maybe he was signalling for Aemond to fight Jace so he didn't have to
🤣🤣🤣🤣
No . He was probably unwilling to do something himself
I think people are reading into it, it’s not even hinted in the books they had this sort of secret love.
Aemond and Aegon look is because Aemond is judging him like “you p** your the heir to the iron throne and your gonna let our house be disrespected like this!?”
It’s the same reason Aemond stands up and eyes Jace, out of defense for Aegon. Aemond is very loyal to his house and his family and most of all honor (for his house name). He doesn’t take anyone making a fool out of them.
Another RUclipsr pointed out that he happened to lose his temper and make the toast after a roasted pig was planted in front of him (referring to "the pink dread" given to him in an earlier episode). Both are good possibilities, or maybe both together are what set him off
Why does no one consider Aegon the beast beneath the boards. He was found under the floor boards only to be sat upon the throne and become a crazed man…right?
This is a wicked theory
I thought the same thing!!
That's what I thought. And he's a monster.
I thought it was him.
Yeah, thought so too
I love how Helaena became kinda of a uniting force among the fandom. No matter which side people support, everyone agrees that Helaena is innocent, kind and deserved better.
I would like her to have a thing with Aemond because I like to think she had at least one person in her life that appreciated her awesomeness 🥺💚
Helaena chose Maelor because he was so young that he wouldn't know what was going on & wouldn't see the death coming. That was part of the cruelty of B&C killing the opposite child- not only was Jaehaerys old enough to know his death was coming & no doubt be terrified by it but Maelor, when he was old enough to understand, would also know that he was his mother's choice to die.
It really is the coldest thing I’ve ever read!
I’ve seen people point out that when Jace and Helaena are dancing, if you look in the background, you can see Aemond staring at them, this parallels Daemon watching Rhaenyra dance with Laenor and Harwin at her wedding - a Targaryen prince watching a Targaryen princess dance with a Valaryon prince and a Strong boy. I think Aemond x Helaena would be an interesting foil to Daemon x Rhaenyra, D&R flout all convention to be together, while A&H love each other behind closed doors.
Aemond literally had to move his chair at some point to stare at them that way 😅
it feels a little derivative, if that is the motivation for duch change from the book.
Now, this is an interesting idea. Aemond IS supposed to be Daemon's mirror image.
@@skyegroome223 Agree. Folks are imagining context and events that aren't there, not in books or on the show. Aegon & Aemond HATE Jace, and the feeling is mutual. Jace dances with Helaena to provoke them; by watching without reacting they are denying Jace any satisfaction for pulling this stunt.
Too bad that Aemond didn't have Daemon's temper. Daemon was so cool, while Aemond was actually full of rage.
I seriously don’t think Aemond has anything going on with Helaena. I think his statement to Aegon at Laena’s funeral, when Aegon was saying that he didn’t want to marry his sister cause she’s weird, was taken out of context. All he said was, I would do my duty. I take it more as he’d do it because that’s what’s expected of him if he were to be a king. Also, Aemond didn’t flip out at the dinner because Halaena was dancing with Jace. He flipped out cause Luke was laughing at him when they put the roasted pig in front of Aemond.
exactly!! thank you!
I don't believe in it either. I was going to point out the dinner scene. Aemond was not jealous at all. During the coronation, Haelena was not looking at Aemond. She was looking to her right, with her head down. And she was not wearing sapphire, it's a softer hue of green almost teal, not like the Hightowers color of dark green. And the scene in her room, Haelena's face did not light up when Aemon entered.
I can't finish the damn video. I don't know why we have to invent things that's not happening.
hear hear.
No one said he flipped out. Aegon peers at AEMOND, seemingly to see what his reaction would be about them dancing, all the while AEMOND is staring at the 2 while they dance. and only stops watching them when the pig comes out, and noticed Luke giggled at him. There is a point in the book, when Otto walks into a room and Alicent says, FATHER, and Maelor says Aemond.. hmmmm
@@betyerpwet she wasn't looking around lmao. She was looking DIRECTLY AT AEMOND. I have no clue who AEMON is
7:36 I think it's a bit presumptuous to say she was dressed in "sapphire blue." While she is dressed in blue, it's much closer to turquoise. I would think that sapphire would be deeper, think a royal blue. Her clothes have far to much green hue to be described as "sapphire."
I laughed so hard when she said "head to toe in Sapphire blue". That is a huge stretch calling that Sapphire.
Yeah someone is colourblind if they think that’s sapphire blue…. It’s interesting enough she isn’t wearing house colours without taking leaps of imagination that require make believe.
I do believe Aemond loves Helena, but not romantically. Aemond knows how screwed up his family is and Helena is the only one pure of heart. That's something worth protecting. Plus, everyone underestimates her intelligence and abilities, much like Aemond was laughed at because he had no dragon. That's a cause for kinship between them. For all of Aemond's callousness, he possesses a depth of feeling few people understand because he is (mostly) in control his emotions. He's not stupid enough to become romantically involved with Helena even if he were to feel that way. He does what duty requires of him.
I do hope we see more of them interacting in the future but I doubt it will go where you suggest. To me, it just seems out of character.
YES! Aemond cares about Helaena because she's not a fucked up person.
I think Aemond is too self righteous to have an extra marital romantic relationship with his sister, but I do think they love each other a lot and they must spend a lot of time together. Maybe because they are both introverts, they bonded and are each others safe place, which is very cute. I love both characters a lot, they are my two favorites from the greens side =)
So cute how Aemmond killed Luke even though it was Daemons daughters who started fighting with him back then and Jace only kinda defending himself. What a cutesy tootsy, lovable man he is! Not at all a murderer and sissy. =)
@@Lutzifalilia it was Luke who cut out his eye not Jace.
@@Lutzifalilia yes he is actually 🤗🥰
@@Lutzifalilia Lucerys deserved that
@@LutzifaliliaI mean... anyone can be cute in certain situations... even monsters... *pats*
If Helaena’s children with Aegon are actually Aemond’s. Then "A son for a son" will literally turn Aemond into a monster., if this is true.
Did everyone not notice they placed a pig in front of Aemond and Luke started to laugh due to when they gave him a pig as a kid and THAT'S why he got mad?
It could’ve been a combination of both
Yes. Aemond the man was triggered by Lucaerys the boy. He's actually angry that no one was giving him attention. Viserys couldn't even see him because Aemond was seated on his father's right, where Viserys had no more eye. Aemond couldn't get assurance from either Allicent or Otto since he couldn't see them, being seated on his left where he has no eye.
That's why I liked when Aemond got the revenge
@@arnabbiswas9809 shit I'll love it when all greens died out as well🤩
@Fz no they don't. Aegon becomes the king. He ends it by naming Daemon's son as heir.
I ship Helaena with happiness, life, and proper dreamer training; whatever that might be. Good theory. I def also think Aemond and Helaena are mirrors of Narys and Aemon. There's so much good lore for all of these characters.
Thank you for watching, my friend! 🐲🔥 Helaena deserves the world 😌
has anyone noticed that most of halaena's dresses are yellow / gold like the ones that young rhaenyra used to wear? i think she wore green maybe once this entire season, but for the most part, she dressed like young rhaenyra
Definitely she stated very early one she wants no part in the Hightowers shenigans
Exactly she knew the war that was coming so she wears whatever colors she wants to stay out of it and unfortunately suffers the most as an innocent who didn't do anything wrong to anyone as she just keeps to herself muttering prophesies
I think it implied that she's actually neutral. She doesn't hate Rhaenyra and her children as the rest of the Green bcs if anything happen, Rhae will not going to kill her. She's not even a threat to her claim.
Clothes are a property of the crown. I reckon it's a hand-me-down? Even queens can re-use their predecessors clothes.
@@maylynbayani
she could have worn green if she wanted to. she chose yellow
I disagree entirely with your take on Helaena looking away because of Meleys’s impending arrival. She is literally staring at Aegon up until the crown is on his head. then she never looks at him again other than the mandatory curtsy. highly believe she is seeing Aegon morph into a monster and is repulsed by it
At least I'm not alone in thinking this and shipping these two! I also think Helena's twins might be by Aemond, seeing as there's a theory one of the children say his name when Alicent calls out "father" to Otto. It also makes me wonder if it may contribute to one of the factors leading to Helena's suicide, seeing as Aemond is killed not too long before then. It's all really sad, regardless, but I enjoy the special bond they share, even as siblings.
Aemonds death happens after her death. But him choosing to be with Alyce Rivers at herranhal coupled with the fact she lost her 1st born son, and left with a son who knows his mom chose him to die.
Why does Heleana seem to hate Alicent ? Can you guys give me an idea why ? I have read GOT but not the prequel..
@@ellengio because Alicent is a terrible mother who’s making TERRIBLE DECISIONS that will eventually destroy the entire family. . She has probably already had visions of it.
@@ellengio It could be that Helaena is touch-averse and Alicent keeps trying to physically comfort her. But there's also the fact that Helaena flinches at any sign of violence, especially when Alicent strikes Aegon for failing to protect Aemond. She's grown up with watching Alicent being physically violent and verbally abusive toward her brothers: Alicent takes it out on her sons when she's under a lot of pressure. So she would be wary of Alicent's touch.
I seriously think that people do not give enough importance to the opening intro, because if they did that they would see that in episode 10 Helaena's bloodline joins Aegon's for the blodlines of their 3 children just as Rhaenyra's bloodline joins Harwin's for the blodlines of Jace, Luke, and Joffrey
I think Aemond and Helaena would definitely be better suited to rule, and I think Helaena is Aemond's one solace. I think he will really go through the emotional wringer over B&C regardless of whether theories are correct. I want to say Aemond fathered Helaena's children but I also think Aemond, at this point, thinks too highly of his own sense of morality/duty to do anything like that - especially as he's grown up with Alicent's vitriol about Rhaenyra's own bastards and even perpetuates it himself.
@Bla Bla they are still Valyrian, partially on rhaenyra’s side. Just like the greens being partially Valyrian themselves, given only their father was one
@@blabla187If Helaena's children are bastards of Aemond, it's a win-win for them because regardless if Aegon was the father or Aemond, the children still have the same amount of Targaryen Blood. Also Aegon neglects Helaena and they don't even sleep in the same chambers, of course Aemond and Helaena could get away with it.
I thought that Haelena and Jace would have been a good couple if they had married. It would have kept the war from starting too. But "roads not traveled"
Helaena and Aemond are easily my favorite of the Hightower kids.
I can see Aemond quietly seething over Helaena and Jace dancing but that didn't trigger the toast. It was seeing Luke giggling at the roast pig in front of him, a callback to the prank they pulled on Aemond during their childhood, that broke him.
I like this theory, and if it's true, I'm really hoping we get some scenes between Aemond and Helaena and his possible children. Show Aemond acting like a loving uncle/father to Jaehaerys, right before he gets killed by Blood and Cheese, that scene will be so much more impactful if we actually develop a bond with Aemond and his children. Just like how they gave Rhaenyra and Luke some sweet scenes in episode 10 to make the ending much more dramatic.
One of the things that annoyed me about season 1 is that the blacks and greens both got their villainous moments, but only team black got heroic and/or sympathetic moments. Even the music seems biased, when Rhaenys murders hundreds of people to stick it to team green the music is triumphant, but when Aemond kills Luke and sticks it to team black the music is very different.
The upcoming civil war is going to feel much more tragic if there are people we are attached to on both sides, while currently all the normies and the more simplistic book readers just cheer for team black and see team green as the baddies. I really hope they start working on fixing that in season 2.
One additional point of support for this theory might be Aemond's relationship with Alys Rivers, a witch-like girl living in Harrenhal. He hooks up with her around the same time Helaena dies, maybe Aemond sought comfort with her because her gifts reminded him of his recently deceased sister's prophetic gifts?
Also, I would like it most if Daemon did NOT know Aemond was Jaehaerys' father, and he unintentionally paid Aemond back much more than he intended to. It could be a nice reveal for Daemon later on, maybe before their final battle.
I think if this theory were true and played out on the show and Allicent were to find out the news that her own grandchildren- and the future heirs to the throne- were actually bastards. It would be very interesting to see her internal struggle and reaction towards the news. Especially considering her entire campaign to surplant Rhaenerya as heir to the intron throne rests entirely on the claim that her children are bastards. Allicent has always led by her convections and faith, so something like this would completely undermine her son’s claim to the throne.
When Aemond enters as Alicent and Helaena are talking (after Alicent is interrupted by Helaena when trying to convey the news about the King's death) I don't think Aemond went to comfort Helaena, as you mention. After all, no one was supposed to know and Alicent was JUST about to tell Helaena in the first place. So what was Aemond doing visiting? Why did Helaena look a bit conflicted when she sees him (as though the internal monologue is "oh woops, how do we explain you coming to my chambers like this, this is awkward")? So I think there definitely may be something there for that reason. Great video. Thank you!
Or Aemond asked “where is my mother” and was told, of screen, she’s in Helaena’s rooms.
@@beebeebird2878 this is true lol. I kinda love the small details like these are missing cause we can speculate 😜
@@beebeebird2878nah…that was an entrance that was a little bit too familiar. Heleana’s face immediately changed as soon as she saw him.
I never considered their relationship to be so intimate, but it's interesting to speculate. Especially considering that, if Helaena's twins are actually Aemond's, then his attitude towards the Strong bastards is deliciously hypocritical lol
I don't think he really cares they are bastards, he just uses it as an insult because he hates them
well, the greens are hypocrites 🤭
@@alesseybarahona I was definitely going to say that's a real Hightower trait right there.
At this point, Aemond MUST know that his sister has dragon dreams. Alicent and Aegon just think she's weird. There's also a scene where he tells Cole all the reasons why he should be king and stops himself mid-sentence. Maybe he wanted to say: "It is I who should have married my sister".
I think this video is excellent, I personally 100% believe the theory that Helaena and Aemond are .. deeply involved. I think it makes sense, and I think it makes even more sense that Daemon would kill one of Helaena's children because they were really Aemond's children.
Thank you very much! 💎🕸️
I was kind of skeptical of this until the end of the video when one of the twins says "Aemond" after Alicent says "Father" Its like symbolic in a way (if this theory is true) almost mirroring the connection/relationship.
Helaena’s children are Aemond’s not Aegon’s.
11 reasons why
Reasons: 1) In episodes 7 Aegon says he doesn’t want to marry her and Aemond says that he would and perform his duties.
2) Aegon doesn’t care for his duties that’s why Helaena never seems to know where Aegon is.
3) In episode 8 when Helaena gives her speech about marriage she says “it’s not that bad he mostly just ignores you” then she takes a pause as she looks at everyone realizing that if Aegon ignores her all the time than how could he be the father her children. Then she says “except when he’s drunk” to cover her own behind and her children. And then everyone starts laughing and Otto says “Good” as in good you managed to save your own behind.
4) When Jace ask Helaena to dance Aegon looks at Aemond like he knows about him and Helaena and to keep a cool head as to not expose themselves by getting angry for asking Helaena his lover to dance.
5) In episode 9 right before Otto and Alicent come in to her chambers to ask where Aegon is she tells her children that if one sibling is giving everything the other will get jealous and want to take it themselves which represent Aemond he feels that the Iron Throne and Helaena should be his not Aegon’s.
6) Right after Helaena tells Otto and Alicent that she doesn’t know where Aegon is Otto storms off to come up with a plan to find and Alicent tries to talk with him and she says “Father” and you can hear one of Helaena’s children says “Aemond”.
7)Aemond looks shocked to find Alicent in Helaena’s chambers and Helaena looks at him them looks down nervously since they both know they shouldn’t be in her chambers alone since she is a married women and Targaryen’s are known for incest which can cause rumors to spread about them and the legitimacy of her children.
8)Aemond tells Ser Criston that he’s next in line for the throne if Aegon is dead or cannot be found. This statement would only be true if Helaena’s children weren’t Aegon’s . If Aegon was dead or they couldn’t find him then Aegon and Helaena’s first born would be next in line not Aemond. But he knows he is next in line because Helaena’s children are his bastards.
9)Aemond says “Tis I the younger brother who studies history and philosophy, it is I who trains with the sword, who rides the largest dragon in the world, it is I who should be….” Then pauses and many people thought he was referring that he should be the king but as episode 9 goes on he doesn’t care about others knowing his ambition to be king. The reason he paused was because he was going to say “It is I who should be with Helaena.” Ser Criston says he knows the feeling of not being able to have what you want in Ser Criston case who you want which Ser Criston wants Alicent. This leads me to believe that Aemond was talking about how Helaena should have been his wife”.
10) This show emphasizes characters hair as a way to determine parentage if you notice Aegon and Helaena both have wavy curly hair but “their” children have straight hair just like Aemond.
11) When it looked as if Rhaenys was going to burn them with her dragon Aemond protects Helaena and she grabs his arm when I believe the show depicts her as being autistic since she some characteristics like she doesn’t like physical contact when Alicent hugs her in episode 8 she just stand still with her arms down and in episode 9 Alicent tries to console her by touching her arm she pulls away so if she is portrayed as being autistic as I believe she is. She would only have physical contact with someone she trust like her lover Aemond.
You convinced me god damn. So many minor details IT’s easy to miss. Thanks for this man, makes the show way more enjoyable 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I am convinced!
@@yls2329 🤣🤣🤣
I agree with absolutely everything except maybe the autism.
What if they're just making her behaviors out that way because she's uncomfortable with alicent and many others.
What other autistic characteristics does she have besides being income with hugging or touching *certain people? I think they're just portraying her as different than the rest
If they're going for an autistic portrayal it's coming off more like PTSD to this autistic person with cptsd.
100% agree with everything you said, and some people also say that Helaena committing suicide right after the battle in God's Eye where Aemond dies is also a hint that they loved each other so, so deeply. Her loosing a child that was probably Aemond's and then loosing Aemond... the only one in her family that truly cared for her and loved her. That had to be incredibly devastating for her, making their love story a very tragic and heartbreaking forbidden love story, which is a recurring theme in George R. R. Martin's work; tragic love triangles and tragic forbidden love stories. At least I hope we get to see more of their relationship in season 2, I can't wait.
I think Ryan condal put a lot of thought and care into this show and you might be onto something about the directing decisions with Helena. But about aemond I think he would be another maegor the cruel as daemon is described. His decisions would all be based on vengeance, not justice.
I could definitely see that as well
GRRM did it. Ryan is just copy pasting with little story to make.
I think Jacaerys and Helena would have been perfect for each other and the realm.
A Hightower would have been wed to a Targaryen on the throne, and the peace might have continued.
If only rhaynera had asked her father this not in front of Alicient…then maybe viserys could have put his foot down and gone ahead with it.
It would tear apart the family even more tho. And produce even more bastards
if only Alicent had agreed. Rhaenyra made all the effort. @@TheLeijosa
It’s deceitful to lead with Aemond saying he’d marry Helaena if Alicent arranged it…when he didn’t say that.
He said he’d marry her if it were “HIS DUTY” as king, and in context given Aegon was complaining to him about hating that he was betrothed to he’d. Aemond was literally saying “stfu, do your duty…you have one job and it’s a job id gladly due-be king-without complaint.”
That’s all Aemond meant, and it’s meant to show how loyal he is to his house and how much of a traditionalist he is, which is why he’s most studied and has done everything Alicent asks of him.
no, that's not all he meant, it's obvious he has affection for her and her for him
Aemond didn't lose his temper at dinner because they were dancing it was Luke snickering at a stuffed / roasted pig placed near Aemond
The pig was the final straw, Jace dancing with Helaena definitely played a part in pushing Aemond's temper
Dont think so. If he was mad at luke, he could have antagonized him but it was jace he hit.
One of the other messed up aspects of Blood and Cheese is that even though Maelor is the youngest, he can still somewhat understand what's going on. To twist the knife further into poor Helaena, they mock the child and sneer that his own mother wanted him to die and not her other children. That sticks with her so horribly that she can't even look at her child again. I can't imagine how difficult that scene will be to film, I'm sure they'll need counseling of some sort after such a horrific event, even if it is for a show.
As much as the Blood and Cheese situation was horrible I feel like what happens to Maelor is worse Jaherys at least had a quick death but poor Maelor was torn apart by the mob.
I hope in the show that was a ploy to hide Maelor and he survives and stays well away from regency.
Very horrible, its like they had it coming after Aemmond literally KILLED Luke..!? Nah nah nah.
@@Lutzifalilia yawn.
We quickly forget how Aemond was made fun of as a child.
He's only teasing the strongs
I like Aemond...
So "boards" in a pre-industrial context refers to a dining table. "Above board" being the opposite to, "under the table". So to say something is "beneath the boards" is referring to something hidden in plain sight, something underhanded (underhanded being another reference to being under the board).
I think it's great Aemond looks out for his sister
Hellalmond forever 🧿
@@FeyFire Helaena’s children are Aemond’s not Aegon’s.
11 reasons why
Reasons: 1) In episodes 7 Aegon says he doesn’t want to marry her and Aemond says that he would and perform his duties.
2) Aegon doesn’t care for his duties that’s why Helaena never seems to know where Aegon is.
3) In episode 8 when Helaena gives her speech about marriage she says “it’s not that bad he mostly just ignores you” then she takes a pause as she looks at everyone realizing that if Aegon ignores her all the time than how could he be the father her children. Then she says “accepts when he’s drunk” to cover her own behind and her children. And then everyone starts laughing and Otto says “Good” as in good you managed to save your own behind.
4) When Jace ask Helaena to dance Aegon looks at Aemond like he knows about him and Helaena and to keep a cool head as to not expose themselves by getting angry for asking Helaena his lover to dance.
5) In episode 9 right before Otto and Alicent come in to her chambers to ask where Aegon is she tells her children that if one sibling is giving everything the other will get jealous and want to take it themselves which represent Aemond he feels that the Iron Throne and Helaena should be his not Aegon’s.
6) Right after Helaena tells Otto and Alicent that she doesn’t know where Aegon is Otto storms off to come up with a plan to find and Alicent tries to talk with him and she says “Father” and you can hear one of Helaena’s children says “Aemond”.
7)Aemond looks shocked to find Alicent in Helaena’s chambers and Helaena looks at him them looks down nervously since they both know they shouldn’t be in her chambers alone since she is a married women and Targaryen’s are known for incest which can cause rumors to spread about them and the legitimacy of her children.
8)Aemond tells Ser Criston that he’s next in line for the throne if Aegon is dead or cannot be found. This statement would only be true if Helaena’s children weren’t Aegon’s . If Aegon was dead or they couldn’t find him then Aegon and Helaena’s first born would be next in line not Aemond. But he knows he is next in line because Helaena’s children are his bastards.
9)Aemond says “Tis I the younger brother who studies history and philosophy, it is I who trains with the sword, who rides the largest dragon in the world, it is I who should be….” Then pauses and many people thought he was referring that he should be the king but as episode 9 goes on he doesn’t care about others knowing his ambition to be king. The reason he paused was because he was going to say “It is I who should be with Helaena.” Ser Criston says he knows the feeling of not being able to have what you want in Ser Criston case who you want which Ser Criston wants Alicent. This leads me to believe that Aemond was talking about how Helaena should have been his wife”.
10) This show emphasizes characters hair as a way to determine parentage if you notice Aegon and Helaena both have wavy curly hair but “their” children have straight hair just like Aemond.
11) When it looked as if Rhaenys was going to burn them with her dragon Aemond protects Helaena and she grabs his arm when I believe the show depicts her as being autistic since she some characteristics like she doesn’t like physical contact when Alicent hugs her in episode 8 she just stand still with her arms down and in episode 9 Alicent tries to console her by touching her arm she pulls away so if she is portrayed as being autistic as I believe she is. She would only have physical contact with someone she trust like her lover Aemond.
@@zaddy3782 Wow! Nicely put, I may be leaning a bit more on this theory after these points... well done! I can't wait to re-watch with them in mind...
My personal take is that Aegon IV/Naerys/Aemon the Dragonknight are red herrings who are meant to both hint at and distract attention from the real love triangle of Aegon II/Helaena/Aemond. Naerys and Aemon's supposed affair gets all of the attention in history, but I think the accusations of an affair were actually false. Naerys and Aemon didn't ever consummate their relationship, and Naerys' children were her husband's. But the suggestion that such a thing COULD have happened is there, and if you're paying close enough attention, you can follow the family tree up a couple of generations to see the real love affair. But Helaena and Aemond got away with it without anyone (publicly) suspecting. And as you said, it would make the choice between the two sons and the "a son for a son" punishment cut so much more deeply if one was Aemond's own child.
Helena is a really interesting chracter when you dig into it, i how she's given more screentime in s2
I'm glad that I'm not the only one that's sensed something like this. Was worried the show had messed me up and I was just seeing incest all over the show.
Aemond gave that toast to Luke and Jace at the dinner because Luke smiled at the idea of the pig being brought in for the feast, which Aemond associated with Luke still laughing at him over the prank of the Pink Dread.
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I also love how the show is shaping Aemonds character, the context of why he's how he is, and more misunderstood. Definitely not canon, but I love it
I mean, is there a Canon at all, then? Mushroom and Eustace wouldn't know a damn thing about this, since they witnessed barely anything first hand (or in Mushroom's case, nothing at all)
Such a misunderstood murderer. Kekw.
@@Lutzifalilia learn new arguments maybe? You sound kinda bummed Aemond turned into an Elf.
I don't think Helena and Aemond would defy duty and the honor of their family by having sex and cuckolding Aegon, to be honest. Although I think Aemond sincerely cares about Helaena more than Aegon would ever...and based on the leak, the Lucerys's murder/death was not intentional on Aemond's side (I think he hated Lucerys enough to wish him death, but he logically knew to not 'pull the trigger' so to speak since it'd kill every possible diplomatic solution then, but every dragon is connected so wholly to their riders, so it's not a surprise Vhagar took the initiative to deliver the killing blow although Aemond said 'no'), so when Blood & Cheese happens later on, it will hit him harder. Not because the child in question belonged to him, but because Aemond probably blamed himself for failing to protect Helaena (plus the child)--who are his family-- and being the main cause of that incident.
I think the second time she talks about the beast beneath the boards, she is referring more to Blood and Cheese. She seems more upset which would make sense given how that plot will change her life forever.
agreed
I'm interested in her relationship with her mother too. She literally recoils everytime Alicent touches her lol. I wonder what happened there. but in the books, tho its not really explored much, i didn't get the feeling that they weren't close. she took her kids to see their grandmother every night. i wonder why they change in the show? either way, i still love it. if it flows with the story, nothing wrong with a little rewriting here and there lol
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Aemond loses his temper when the Strong bastards laugh at him because of the pig roast placed in front of him (that they probably arranged)
this is already debunked by the opening credits. we see Aegon and Helaena's blood merge. theyre Aegon's kids.
it would be a messed up situation but I thought that maybe Aegon ordered Aemond to father an heir through Helaena, he didn't love Helaena so he might not have wanted to bed her so he ordered Aemond to do instead. It would have been an agreement for the three of them.
Aemond would have his child as an heir to the iron throne and Aegon looks like he wouldn't care if his prince is his own or his brother's.
that was just my theory.
I don't see it. Aegon fucks any woman, why not do it with his wife too? And he wouldn't want trouble from his mum and grandpa. Ruling could be difficult for him, but fathering some kids? Not at all. And Aemond is too ideological to father bastards, even if he loves Helaena.
It's actually sounds possible. Aegon really doesn't seemed to care about Helaena or the throne (unlike his brother). It will also be an interesting parallel to the blacks with Leanor-Rhaenyra-Strong thing
I think its possible, though I'm not sure order is the right word. Aegon wasn't king yet, and definitely had no authority whatsoever over Aemond at that point, at least.
They were born before he was crowned, and since he tried his best to not be crowned, I really doubt he would plan that far.
I love these two characters. Your theory definitely was convincing although if Jahaera and Jahaerys are supposed to be Aemond's do you think there would be lines coming off both Helaena and Aemond in the opening credits or are you thinking even the credits are unreliable?
They could be unreliable. If they're a "historical record" of a family tree, then they would follow the official line - that Helaena's children were fathered by her husband. Food for thought...
Aemond got angry and made the toast for the strong boys only when Luke smirked due the roasted pig that was set on the table, in front of Aemond, remindind him of the prank the pulled on him when the were kids "the pink dread"...the dance did not seam to bother him
Dreamfryer laid Danny’s eggs 100 years before Healana was born. That Healana is the mother of dragons is even more of a leap than Aemond and Healana.
*Helaena
Preach
I’ve been running with this theory since Leana’s funeral like I’m Al Bundy on the Polk High football team. This is my Green side Daemyra ship.
Very good connections being made here, nicely done
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Aemond was not mad about the dance between Jace and Helaena but Luke smirking at him when the roasted pig was sat in front of him. This fan theory of Aegon being the father of Heleana's children is overreaching.
The three eggs were laid and stolen way before Helaena was alive. It happened while Dreamfyre was bonded to another Targaryen queen so this cannot be attributed to Helaena at all.
Awesome vid girl. I didn't notice Haelena wasn't looking! What is the beast beneath the boards? Ah. You think it was Meleys. I've heard Blood and Cheese. Even Aegon hiding. I can't believe season already over!! It was so much better than I was expecting. Aegon is a hot mess. That toast was funny. And a bit sad. Ought to be a great finale. Take care. Ttys🖤🐉🎃😘😍 Could the spider be connected to Larys?🤷
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Plot twist: Aemond is the Night King.
Daemon supposedly died at the Gods eye but they never found his body they found aemonds, what if the children of the forest saved Daemon and he became the three eye raven and later his great grandson bloodraven with the sword dark sister followed after him
@@ianneufville3789 one of many possibilities. Hopefully GRRM wraps up all the many questions we have in last 2 books.
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Other fans are quick to dismissed the possibility of Aemond and Helaena having an affair because it did not happen in Fire & Blood and by the end Aemond falls in love with Alys Rivers whom he got pregnant. But i would like to point out the similarity between Alys and the TV version Helaena. Book Alys had the ability to see visions on fires while TV Helaena is a dragon dreamer, she's able to see visions as well unlike her book counterpart, who was described as pretty normal not eccentric. Its hard to say if Alys Rivers would also be included in the show by the end but TV adaptations like to change some things in their book counterpart.
Also, scenes like Aemond entering Helaena's chamber without warning makes it so hard to disregard or deny the speculations between them. The writers wrote the script on each scenes like there's something to be speculated with and I would like to point out that every dialogue or action in a scene had meaning, that's called good writing.
I would like to point out my reasons for "assuming" or "speculating" why Aemond and Helaena have a secret "thing" going on.
First: The dialogue exchanged between Aegon and Aemond about Helaena's bethrotal to Aegon. Aegon's words lets the viewers peek through his emotions about his sister. Meanwhile, There's Aemond's dialogue where he says, if he was bethroted to her, he would have gladly married her. Out of duty and it also might be out of fondness he felt for his sister. Aegon always bullies Aemond, this might have created resentment on his part. This would make him prefer his sister, creating a deeper bond amongst the three of them.
The writer could have let Aemond say nothing on this scene. They could have let him agree with his brother's predicament because in Fire & Blood, Aegon and Aemond seem pretty close. But They didn't. They also changed Aegon's good relationship with Aemond compared from the books. Making it a bit toxic.
Second: The character's actions being shown are a bit odd. Yeah they are siblings, they might care for each other like any other siblings normally would BUT they are Targaryens. Their family practices incest. A grown Aemond is seen standing between Helaena and Aegon during Rhaenyra's trial. They are married at this point, and as a married couple, they are required to be seen standing by each others side like social convention dictates they should. There's another scene during Aegon's coronation, as Aegon's wife Helaena should have been standing next to him as she at that moment, is also crowned as Queen to him and to the Realm. But she stays standing by over to the side, farther than what was expected. Aemond was the one who stood beside Helaena as she looks away from her newly appointed king-husband as he flamboyantly raised his sword as the crowd cheered on and on.
What defines their closeness even more is when Aemond shields Helaena when Meleys broke free. He tilts his body to the side with his other arm extended slighty towards his sister-a protective gesture. Helaena reacts by affectionately touching his arm, a gesture of reassurement that she's not brought to panic by the situation.
Yes they are brother and sister. And brothers do protect their sisters (old or young) But so is Aegon and Helaena. But we don't see Aegon rushing towards Helaena's side to protect her as a husband/brother normally would. Even Sir Cole shields the princess when Alicent ordered him. She knew that her daughter should be protected at that moment, by her brothers, by a kingsguard and especially by her husband.
Third, Jaecerys and Helaena's dance. In the book, it was Aegon who took offense by Jace's gentlemanly gesture. In the show, yes Aegon looked quite in disbelief and insulted But it was Aemond's cold glare that takes the cake. As Helaena gave her hand to Jace, Aegon and Aemond switches glances towards each other. I think it was mostly about how far Jace dared to go that 'closely' to them by asking the sister of the uncles he had a bad history with. But its odd how as the camera rolled, we see Aemond's full attention is directed towards the dancing Jace and Helaena. His chair was angled towards their direction as he watched sternly from afar. This is what created his bad mood over to this scene, it was only when luke smiled at him sarcastically when a pig was served on the dinner table that Aemond completely snapped.
Fourth, This scene. The writers's talent in HoT is so good that its making it hard not to SPECULATE. It's like Jon Snow's real parentage speculation all over again.
When Alicent called out to Otto, she said "Father" At that moment, one of the child actor mumbles a name that sounded Aemond. (Of course, this part when the child actor mumbles something on the screen is PART OF THE SCRIPT. the directors wouldn't include it if it wasn't needed) BUT IT WAS SHOWN. It was NOT CUT out of the scene. There's a reason why that child mumbles something out of nowhere and it is IN THE SCRIPT.
There's a catch though, the way the child mumbles this name is unclear. But the pronunciation is close to Aemond's name or Daemon or even Aegon. Not only that, After that child murmurs a name that sounds exactly the same with Aemond. AEMOND barges in suddenly without a warning in Helaena's chambers. He doesnt say anything but he glances weirdly at his sister and his mom. He could have said something in this scene like "What happened?" or "I saw grandfather distressed, is there something going on" or "Mother, I've been searching for you" that would indicate that he came barging in because his either curious of what was going on or if he was looking for Alicent. But no. HE DOESNT SAY A WORD, he just stares at Helaena and Alicent. Thus, his intentions of barging in his sisters chambers suddenly out of nowhere is unclear and WEIRD!
the writers got the viewers thinking "What the fuck does that supposed to mean? is there something going on between those two?" etc.
THE WAY THE ACTORS ACTED ON THAT SCENE IS PART OF THE SCRIPT and these actions, subtle or not, have a greater meaning. WHAT WERE THE WRITERS TRYING TO CONVEY?
If it doesn't have a significant meaning to the story, then the writers shouldn't have wrote it like there's something to be speculated to begin with
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At the dinner Aemond got mad when the cooked pig was placed on the table in front of him and Lucerys gave a little laugh recalling the pink dread. The pink dread was the "dragon" (pig with wings and a tail) presented to Aemond by his brother and cousins when they were children.
How have you gotten pictures of the episode already? Did they air it early?
Aemon and Nearys is another story it is said they loved each other but we still don't know if they had something more than sibling love
about Aemond and Haelena I don't think it is true for a few reasons :
1.Helena's blood don't mix with Aemond but Aegon and as you said yourself Maelor is not born yet so twins are his
2.Haelena is dutiful person same with Aemond but he is also proud exception is Aegon that's why he is always scolded by Otto and Alicent never Aemond or Haelena.I don't think he would do this Haelena also.
3.I think he protect her as his queen and sister same as he protected crown for Aegon when Lucerys wanted leave Storm's end
4.He said I would perform my duty if only mum betrothed us but she never did right
5.Son for a son is said by Daemon, Lucerys is also not his biological son so I interpret it like son from queen was taken not king's must be taken as revenge because he could be the one ordering to kill Lucerys for Aemond(we know it is not true) Daemon don't know this for sure but he don't care he just want revenge
5.We had same story with Laenor Rhaenyra and Harwin it would be boring
One of the most plausible fan theories ❤
agreed, Haelana is the bees knees. she’s the ‘weird girl’ representation we needed in this mediaeval fantasy!
I feel like "beast beneath the boards" refers more to Aegon hiding underground while they were looking for him.
Fun fact: the casting call for Aemond that was leaked months ago on Reddit (along with all of the other characters) described him as in love with his sister and bitter that she was married to Aegon
Strange 🤷. SPOILER FROM THE BOOK: in the book Aemond is "romantically involved" with another girl who even gives him a son.
@@francescarossetti2028That would be Alys Rivers
Whats the music right at the beginning of the video
* it wasn't them dancing that made Aemond lose it, it was after the pig was placed and giggles ensued lol
The beast beneath the boards would either refer to Larys Strong (warging a rat) or Blood and Cheese
Could be both.
its blood and cheese
Who would have ever thought that incestual brother and sister relationships would become so common in fiction and especially this world that the shock factor is completely gone and we just accept it as normal....like WTF
Excellent theory!! Yes so much makes sense now!
Aemond got pissed because of the pig that was placed in front of him and that set him off
Well Luke ain’t sniggering at the table anymore
@@martincolton32good he should have known better
Headcannon accepted. Great video!
In Fire and Blood, there was no explicit mention of Halaena having powers or dreaming, but that could be left up to shoddy history keeping. But it being a main character trait of hers in the show makes me think there's a chance they will combine the characters of Halaena and Alys for a differing romantic conflict.
Yes yes, shipping stuff came back to life, we know that. Helaena didn’t choose Maegor because who his father was but because he was the youngest. And her dress wasn’t sapphire: it’s deep and intense blue color, her dress was pale.
How could Aemond come to Helaena to comfort her if nobody except Alicent, Otto and that servant that was in cell knew about the death of Viserys? It doesn’t make any sense.
We’ll see how it will go when Alyss Rivers will show up.
So why did he come to her if he didn't know anything?
Its Maelor
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How could daemond be trying for three heads of the dragon when apparently he knows very little if anything about the prophecy. That’s what was suggested in the conversation he had with rhaenyra wasn’t it?
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I think aemond being in love with heleana in the show could be a good change from the books to make aemond becoming a really evil fucker actually believable when blood and cheese kill one of heleanas children who maybe is actually aemonds son and not aegons.
Yo this was a great find. Im so taken back by the revival of this series that I'm missing the subtle notes. 🤙
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I will be soo happy if this is confirmed canon 💙. Aemond is not as dutiful as people imagine he is and it would be nice to see Helaena flouting her family's wishes and being with the person she loves (possibly choosing him to father her children as well!!)
Helaena deserves everything! 💙
Interesting, but seems a bit far fetched to me, there are definitely closer to each other than any of them is to Aegon but not that hard considering how Aegon is. For me, it's Luke laughing at the pig that started the fight at the dinner not the dance, why he'd be mad at his sister dancing and be genuinely happy if he care about her, jealousy?
In the scenes in the chamber for me he was more doing this to prove himself to his mother because he knew she was there and for duty. I didn't really feel that bond between them, they feel like they are both kinda loner, and if anyone was close to any of them I would say it was Alicent. But the theory can be true, we should see.
I don't believe Aemond is Helaena's kids' dad. Canonically he was around 12-13 when Jaehaerys and Jaehaera were born. Helaena was 14.
He doesn't seem like the type.
Queen Alycent was so eager to point fingers to Rhaenyra s unfaithfullness, she was unwilling to see the same sh*t happening right under her nose!
Its not confirmed tho. And I don't think its true
solid video , definitely gives context to the subtle looks they give each other
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Aemon being a better ruler than Aegon?
With what he'll do in the Riverlands, that shows how muc hthat woudl go...
Remember why his dearest grandfather was so against Deamon? Yeah....Aemon IS a Daemon wanna be in EVERYTHING.
As for him being the father of Helaena's children? Oh, the hypocrisy of Alicent...complaining Rhaenyra wanted to put bastards in the throne while her children would be doing the same...it would be hilarious...
Aegon is so much of a little shit, he wouldn't even care anyway...
I am not looking forward to Aemon’s fate as I think he’s my favourite character in this.
i think aemond and Helena doesnt have aromantic story. he is such his caring brother.
Hi someone know why we don’t see mushroom in a show ?
She's dressed that color during the coronation because of her dragon
Ok. I have a question. You aren't the 1st to say crown is Valyrian steel. I read it's iron. I have seen it described as steel, but not Valyrian. So, I guess I'm just wondering where that came from. I'm sure you know the cannon much better than me😁
Aegon the Conqueror wore a Valyrian steel crown. I believe it was his son Aenys who started wearing the golden crown - but there's definitely more of a statement with the Valyrian steel.
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@@FeyFire sure!! I send the link to Moni and Laurie too
I just hadn't seen it written as particularly Valyrian steel, but like I said, I'm sure you know it better than me!!
yeah its said Aegon the Conquerers crown was a Valyrian steel Circlet, topped with big square cut rubies all around.
this is gonna sound harsh, but id sacrifice the newborn too. a mothers bond is strong but if there is honestly no choice, the older child has had more emotional investment, will have a whole personality etc, as well as holding as much love as the newborn
Bruh you could have just said the newborn wouldn't understand and etc but you went straight to attachment
@@Salsaandketchup But it's one raw truth.
3:24 aegon not only has his generational karma but also the Meghan fox thumb 😂
But what about Alyss Rivers? Helaena seems to be a dreamer, and the other girl was a witch who can see future too, just as Helaena, do you think they will erase Alyss and just let only Helaena be in the show, like a fusion of both?
They could fuse her character to helaena's since they already gave her the ability to see the future
possiblyy