A lot of great information about EV charging/Rural Reimagined, Enel X solution, Fisker case as well as the Prologue and Ionic 5N. Thank you so much for all the information!
I appreciate your rant on the 5N, cuz reviewers who are stuck on gas cars are super biased and just genuinely seem to lie or spread lies about EVs that they've heard elsewhere. (EDIT: After watching this video, I had the real video from "The Channel" suggested to me, making me realize that the other "gimmick" video I had watched was probably not the one Adam is referring to. And the actual video from "The Channel", I actually feel like I agree with, to a degree.) Cuz here's the thing, the Ioniq 5N is absolutely a gimmick and bad, but only compared to other EVs. For some reason, it has been getting heaps of praise over other EVs, but I don't see why. It has an 84kWh battery, is rated for only 221 miles of range, and does 0-60 in 3.3 seconds, according to Hyundai. All for a starting price of $67.5k USD. But the big thing everyone raves about the stupid "manual mode" that simulates driving an ICE. It's dumb and literally a gimmick. It serves no real purpose, and actually lowers the efficiency of an already TERRIBLY inefficient EV. (EPA estimated 72 MPGe, very similar to the 70 MPGe of the Rivian R1T Quad, you know, the 8,500lb, 1000hp truck) Compare it to a Tesla Model Y performance (75 kWh battery, 0-60 in 3.5secs, estimated range of 285mi) and it gets blown out of the water in basically every category all while starting for $12k less than a 5N. Same with the Mustang Mach-E GT that was just released. (280mi of range from 84kWh battery, 0-60 in 3.3secs, starting price of $55k) Hell, if you can afford the Ioniq 5N, you might as buck up another 4 or 5k and buy the base model Tesla Model S and have 400mi of estimated range and 0-60 in 3.1 seconds. And to top it all off, every other EV on this list has power seats. To sum it up, the Hyundai Ioniq 5N is absolute trash and I *really* don't understand the praise it gets.
If you want pure speed, and acceleration is the only measure, then you’re absolutely right. Have you ridden in it? It’s fun. It feels like it’s a gas car. Stomp the accelerator in an expensive Tesla, that’s fun, but in 3 seconds, you’re going 60. In the 5N, 0-20 is fun, “engine braking” is fun. The gurgling is fun. The fact that it isn’t real means there are no consequences for the fun. In Eco Mode the 5N would easily get 250-270 miles of range just like the Ioniq 5. It’s rated for 200 because the EPA based the rating on its least efficient mode. That’s the rule now. The 5N is a loud, gurgling turbo car, an EV with top tenth percentile speed, a track car with infinite customization, and everything in between. I made a video about it too. ruclips.net/video/sLESDL-ocyM/видео.htmlsi=iNbQG8-JwpixE9Pu
@@Aslash304 I did watch your review, and while I'm certainly not gonna poo-poo anyone liking it, I just really still don't get it. I drove manuals my whole life until I got my EV earlier this year, so I understand the fun of shifting and the vroom vroom. But those are fun in a manual car *because* they are what makes the car go fast, not despite it. A fake manual mode and noise in an EV is as useful as a burrito that plays Despacito while you eat it. It functionally adds nothing, and the noise is annoying to more people than enjoy it. Plus, this particular singing burrito costs 12 grand more than the bigger, quieter burrito.
@@Ryctor07 In my video, I ask the viewer not to judge before driving it. if you have driven or ridden in this car, and after experiencing the manual shifting, can conclusively say that it adds nothing, and the it’s not fast enough with manual mode on (it’s still faster than 95% of all cars in manual mode), then you’re absolutely right. A burrito playing despacito.
Thanks so much for the feedback! I respect the point of view of skilled reviewers, but sometimes I think opinions have a tendency to be crafted instead of expressed.
@@Aslash304 To me what's ridiculous is they think their viewpoint is everyone's viewpoint, or should be. Put these guys on a car marketing team and the Camry, Corolla, Crosstrek etc. never get made. I really wonder what percentage "enthusiasts" really make up of the car market.
@@patrick7228 I couldn’t agree more. If enthusiasts were as big a group as they claim to be, every mass market car would have a manual transmission option. They don’t. Society has changed, and those that try to pretend it hasn’t look very much like they’re pretending.
I found the intro really short and comprehensive, a lot to learn from in a super short time. I was wondering what video this would be based on the huge amount of time stamps and short pieces. But even I as a none Fisker owner had fun to watch and listen and hopefully to learn too. I wonder if you ever regretted to sell or trade in your Fisker back then ?
@@typxxilps happy to include the source for any of the information, drop a time stamp and I’ll send it. I have no regrets. I needed to own the car to report on it accurately. And the car I ended up with is wonderful. And, I learned a lot. Hard to put a value on knowledge.
14:03 - We have OCPP here in europe as the backbone of everything. Our charger connects via WLAN to the OCPP manager running on a pi zero which is only doing 1 things: charging the car only from surplus energy from the solar power system to avoid grid OCPP Software is called evcc for surplus charging of the car or battery and in future also running the heatpump with surplus. Grid is 0,33$ per kWh here while feeding brings you roughly 0,09$ so it is quite a differen by average, but with dynamic pricing every hour differently and with a 1 day notice in advance things are more important to charge surplus when the sun is visible cause in around 6 pm the aver 0,33 can increase up to 0,70$ and then you make 0,60$ per kWh by avoiding these hours for drawing power from the grid.
Another excellent video - very pleased with my 2024 Mini (and it’s not in the least mini) Counttyman S E Sport and glad I dodged the Fisker fiasco here in Europe! Keep up the good work
@@Aslash304 I believe that you will be getting the Countryman S E maybe next year as they are built in Germany (although I don’t know where BMW sources the battery) . The J01 electric 2 door won’t come to you for at least 3 years as they are built in China although EU tariffs have caused BMW to bring forward the upgrade of the Oxford plant to build the electric versions. Presently the gas versions are built in the UK but are the new style body mounted on the old chassis. The EV version of the hatch are on a totally new design of underpinnings designed in a joint venture with Great Wall Motors (they make their own version called the Ora 3 in Europe or the Funky Cat in China but it’s not a big seller here. ) . Mine has AWD / dual motors and 308bhp with a 64kWh usable NMC chemistry battery. It’s a bit thirsty at highway speeds but I squeezed 3.4miles/kWh at 70mph+ on a streaming wet and windy day over a 124 miles run when I left home charged to 100% and arrived with 50% SOC 124 miles later. Over the summer on local roads I’ve been averaging 4.2- 4.6m/kWh at 50mph but now colder days are here I’m seeing more in the region of 3.4-3.6 m/kWh. Charging speed is 150kW which it holds from about 5% through to 48% then slowly ramps down. It’s very comfortable and very quiet even at speed. Mine even has semi-autonomous driving which is very nice- FSD in any form isn’t permitted here yet. Bjorn Nyland (TeslaBjorn) recently did a series of tests on one the same spec as mine including his 1000km run. The U25 Countryman is 5” longer than my 2023 Land Rover Defender - that shows how mini it isn’t!
Wow Adam. I don’t know if I would have paid for Tom Tom if given the chance. It really is not that good. Now if they said $20 per month for Apple Play, that would have got my attention. Thanks as always for the update.
Thanks for the feedback. I sincerely appreciate your point of view, and it’s extremely helpful to know how others are thinking. I love CarPlay as well. However, Because of costs, even Legacy OEMs are dropping CarPlay. I’m thinking $100 a month for CarPlay if the FOA actually wanted to make it happen. And that’s just for the subscription. It would likely be double digit millions to program the hardware to support it. So, like $500 a month? The FOA has officially communicated that CarPlay is off the table, so it’s inevitably a non-Starter, but I think $16 a month for one year is better than a 17” screen that can’t find a charger or reroute if there’s an accident. Miss one flight because the NAV system didn’t reroute, and the Cost/Benefit scale sways quickly. Thanks again for sharing!
TomTom is a can of cold shit. To this day i have yet to receive more than 1 route option when entering a destination, it always sends me on the same highway regardless of traffic patterns, and if i ignore the directions it spends the next 3 miles trying to get me to make a u-turn back to their fabulous route . Dont even get me started on how poor the functionality of the stereo/entertainment system on my FOO is. I cant even fade/balance the sound and if you pop out of the car for 5 minutes and make the mistake of locking the car, you have to go through the whole process of selecting what medium (TuneIn-another POS), Spotify, IHeart (really???) FM only radio (with NO ABILITY to search up and down the dial by simply pressing an arrow as it only selects presets) and last but not least, Bluetooth that compresses the shit out of your music and turns a 600w 15 speaker system essentially into the sound quality of an Amazon echo dot.) Yes, you essentially have to “log in” each time and sit through another 3-5 minutes of “welcome to tunein” advertisements and the same obnoxious commercials every time. Yay!
@@memyselfundeyewait til it permanently freezes. The rumored outcome is there will now be no remedy as it has no server to connect to when it’s reset. So, there’s a possibility the entire screen will eventually brick. I mean, it will display something, but you won’t be able to interact with it. That’s climate vents, settings, the list goes on. And $200 a person could have completely prevented it.
@@Aslash304Hi Adam. You’re welcome! This once again is going from bad to worse. I should say I am shocked at the cost of of Apple Play, but at this point, I am not. So I will go back for looking for good iPhone holders that I can attach to the 17” screen. Hopefully a removeable one so I can use the horizontal screen during extended charging. Keep up the good work!
The Ioniq 5 N is my dream car. I drove one and currently it's in a class all its own. In the video you're talking about, It seems to me that the one guy views himself as such an ICE purist / racer, that he has to loathe all the N features on principle. I've said it many times - whoever discounts or ignores the Ioniq 5 N - it's their loss. But you get the feeling that he would secretly buy one and keep it hidden from everyone. I was so dead set against fake noise or shifting in an EV. Those were my EV "purist" feelings. When i actually drove the car, my feelings did not get hurt.. they disappeared as if they never existed. The Hyundai team responsible for this car is a collective genius. If this same tech flows down to their affordable EVs, its going to be game over for other brands.
Excellent work on this comment. I am 100% in agreement. The “purists” on both sides will be left in the dust with slower cars and fewer smiles. I wish you a successful pursuit of your dream car.
@@Aslash304 This is our first EVER EV how can we overcome the challenges of range anxiety we have the Honda Prologue and we’re planning a trip soon and advance world be helpful Thanks
Thanks for the update. I like your calculation, but it is not as easy. 16 Bucks for TomTom, 20 Bucks for staying online, 300 Bucks for the key fob, 500 Bucks for the water pump etc. etc. etc. So - it can become very expensive for us, especially if you paid the original price and have already paid for all that....
Hi Adam and thanks for the Fisker info as always. I wanted to respond to your comment about paying a monthly fee to have Tom Tom and should the FOA have required this from the beginning. My honest response is absolutely not. I’m very happy they haven’t. I don’t use my Tom Tom be sure it’s horrible. Sends me to wrong streets, takes me longer routes etc. I have been using Google Maps since day 1 of getting my car and have zero interest in paying for a horrible navigation platform. Frankly I thought they had gone out of business years ago. Haven’t heard their name in years until the Ocean. I would much rather have the FOA work towards getting us Apple Car Play and Android Auto so that e can use whatever platform we like individually.
I understand the frustration. Apple CarPlay has already been explicitly ruled out by the FOA, and while Android Auto would be nice, we don’t know if the hardware will interface with it. Millions of dollars worth of software programming may be needed, even before a license. The screen hardware is a TomTom system.
Thanks for the very thorough examination of EV bric-a-brac, Adam! Haven’t bought or had a car in years, don’t have one, don’t ever know if I will ever open the wallet and spring for an automobile. The two EVs I really like are the Polestar 2 and Rivian R3. Sandy Munro has examined the quality of Both Polestar2 and Rivian R3. My biggest concern is that a disastrous fire in an EV can damage everything around it. But I wouldn’t buy an ICE vehicle. If better EV battery tech adopted solid state, that would eliminate the fire risk(is that true?) Fisker had an unconsolidated subsidiary, the Austrian component, so the SEC is involved because those records aren’t public, but are a requirement to be kept in case an indictment is filed. Retained earnings, or accumulated deficit is held at this portion of the company. This asset remains with the company in an exit.(I know - company goes poof) In a liquidation, an auction takes place where participants with legal claims can foreclose on the assets.(same as foreclosure in real estate). This is when the company goes ‘poof’ Yes, the shares are extinguished. SEC says this about bankruptcy in their bankruptcy article. So heads up, the ticker ‘FRSNQ’ is meant to be extinguished, regardless. However, an interested party may ‘grubstake’ the company. I use ‘grubstake’ because ppl don’t like ‘stalking horse bid’. A very legal and very possibly private bid can be made, where a company can go public DURING the auction process. Grubstake is pretty down to earth, if you don’t get lofty abstract term like stalking horse bid. The change in ticker is essential here. Over to you!
I appreciate the information. Very helpful explanation. I think there will be interest in the “guts” of the company. And there will most definitely be an auction (in Austria, there’s nothing to sell in the US, imo). Heights gets the IP, the liquidating trust gets the proceeds from the fleet sale (minus all the court, tax and admin costs), and the Austrian thing is too complex for me to understand other than the proceeds of the Auctions also go to heights. Since, in my opinion ( and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong ) there’s nothing to auction in the US, I don’t know what a stalking horse bid would represent the purchase of. But, I’ll admit I’m not experienced in this kind of thing.
@@Aslash304 Doesn’t look like any assets of value remain in the U.S., certainly not looking at those photos. A stalking horse bid is like a contractual obligation that MUST be agreed to if all of the claims in the liquidation of assets are satisfied. This bid wins the auction, (and it might mean hundreds of millions up front) unless somebody makes a better offer in a counterclaim. A grubstake is more up-front, where somebody fronts some cash to the hole in the ground with a liar up at the top. But it IS ‘down and dirty’ A bid during the auction with a contractual obligation can last for years while a grubstake is immediate.
2.47 - for sure Fisker would not have paid 16$ or 200$ for year for the tomtom map support. No OEM would pay that - imagine for 10 years for every car 2000$ additional costs . The FOA should have gotten that on the table earlier in the whole package when it had been discussed.
First, i want to extend my condolences that you live in west VA which is one of the most backwards ran states in all of America -- from civil rights to EV charging infrastructure. Second, kudos to the FOA being formed, though i wonder why they didnt include tomtom as you mention!
Man alive I'm so glad I didn't buy an Ocean. Yet still........ people trying to defend the Ocean, saying it will all be ok with the FOA running things now (even though they aren't). Also, how can a court keep a bk company running, to honour expensive recalls and updates, without any money! That is plain crazy. Which is basically what it all boils down to now.
@@reviewaccount8377 Update: tried Wallbox, they said they sent out all of the orders they received from Fisker and couldn't help me, and to contact Fisker.
You couldn't possibly be refering to the Savageese video in the rant? Yeah, they didn't agree amongst themselves, extremely painful to watch... Normally I tend to like their videos, but this one should not have been released.
isn't the 600k just to sit at the table for a discussion since that's what Fisker owed them? so it'd be at least that, plus more for actual service? Anyway, I remember when first picking up the car I thought i was going crazy because I coudln't find the volume for the navigation.. who da F designs a navigation and doesn't include option to control the volume of the directions?
I know you want comments so here you go: are you suggesting now owners must pay all Fisker bills? Enjoy the comment 😊 FOA should find the best solutions for owners and not having live data on the gps for sometime is better than spending 200 euros. Also why don’t you include american lease? They can also pay Tom Tom just because (same reason as for the owners paying for Fisker’s bills)
Great Feedback: Here’s are some reasons I addressed this: Have you ever driven to an out of service charger because you didn’t use the integrated route planning? Or Have you ever encountered a horrible traffic jam because you didn’t use GPS? I didn’t come up with the $600,000 figure. But I know what the alternatives are for people who actually use the Ocean as a Car. I simply calculate the cost to completely eliminate the concern for people who are currently relying on the features that are being discontinued. Great point with American Lease. Why didn’t the FOA include American Lease? If the cost was split 50/50, that’s $8.50 a month for live traffic data. I’m just attempting to explore alternatives other than loss of functionality. How much is live traffic data and functional route planning worth to someone with a 60 mile commute? The whole point of the FOA is to reduce costs through scale and negotiation (unless I misunderstand the mission). The lawyers cost a lot of money, but there was a significant benefit from it. Why not look at continuity of functionality this way? I’m sure they could have negotiated a better rate in the future by making it right with TomTom in the present. There’s no promise TomTom will negotiate with the FOA without paying this $600,000. It just makes every Ocean one step closer to a Brick. And if spending money to fix issues is not the preference, why join the FOA? Thank you so much for your feedback. I appreciate your point of view and I believe it is the reason the FOA chose loss of Functionality over a solution.
@@Aslash304if you have had to rely on the TomTom route planning and charging stop location features, you would realize that even $.01 /mo is grossly overpriced.
@@memyselfundeye I have, and I Agree. Ocean owners are going to have Uber driver setups now. No live traffic makes it a little harder for owners to tell me they “don’t have any issues,” while their iPhone navigates them to their destination with no charging recommendations while attached to the massive, and yet completely useless for driving, 17” screen.
Time for another video on the American Lease deal potentially falling apart. Your great work might not ever end Adam!
Do tell
@@manjinderrai5143 Tech Crunch ran the article today
Tomorrow morning
@@Aslash304 just 14 hours from now ... based on your content
Thanks for the fisker updates. Appreciate you.
Thanks so much for watching!
A lot of great information about EV charging/Rural Reimagined, Enel X solution, Fisker case as well as the Prologue and Ionic 5N. Thank you so much for all the information!
I appreciate this feedback! Thanks so much for watching!
I appreciate your rant on the 5N, cuz reviewers who are stuck on gas cars are super biased and just genuinely seem to lie or spread lies about EVs that they've heard elsewhere. (EDIT: After watching this video, I had the real video from "The Channel" suggested to me, making me realize that the other "gimmick" video I had watched was probably not the one Adam is referring to. And the actual video from "The Channel", I actually feel like I agree with, to a degree.)
Cuz here's the thing, the Ioniq 5N is absolutely a gimmick and bad, but only compared to other EVs. For some reason, it has been getting heaps of praise over other EVs, but I don't see why. It has an 84kWh battery, is rated for only 221 miles of range, and does 0-60 in 3.3 seconds, according to Hyundai. All for a starting price of $67.5k USD. But the big thing everyone raves about the stupid "manual mode" that simulates driving an ICE. It's dumb and literally a gimmick. It serves no real purpose, and actually lowers the efficiency of an already TERRIBLY inefficient EV. (EPA estimated 72 MPGe, very similar to the 70 MPGe of the Rivian R1T Quad, you know, the 8,500lb, 1000hp truck)
Compare it to a Tesla Model Y performance (75 kWh battery, 0-60 in 3.5secs, estimated range of 285mi) and it gets blown out of the water in basically every category all while starting for $12k less than a 5N. Same with the Mustang Mach-E GT that was just released. (280mi of range from 84kWh battery, 0-60 in 3.3secs, starting price of $55k) Hell, if you can afford the Ioniq 5N, you might as buck up another 4 or 5k and buy the base model Tesla Model S and have 400mi of estimated range and 0-60 in 3.1 seconds.
And to top it all off, every other EV on this list has power seats.
To sum it up, the Hyundai Ioniq 5N is absolute trash and I *really* don't understand the praise it gets.
If you want pure speed, and acceleration is the only measure, then you’re absolutely right. Have you ridden in it? It’s fun. It feels like it’s a gas car. Stomp the accelerator in an expensive Tesla, that’s fun, but in 3 seconds, you’re going 60. In the 5N, 0-20 is fun, “engine braking” is fun. The gurgling is fun. The fact that it isn’t real means there are no consequences for the fun. In Eco Mode the 5N would easily get 250-270 miles of range just like the Ioniq 5. It’s rated for 200 because the EPA based the rating on its least efficient mode. That’s the rule now. The 5N is a loud, gurgling turbo car, an EV with top tenth percentile speed, a track car with infinite customization, and everything in between. I made a video about it too. ruclips.net/video/sLESDL-ocyM/видео.htmlsi=iNbQG8-JwpixE9Pu
@@Aslash304 I did watch your review, and while I'm certainly not gonna poo-poo anyone liking it, I just really still don't get it. I drove manuals my whole life until I got my EV earlier this year, so I understand the fun of shifting and the vroom vroom. But those are fun in a manual car *because* they are what makes the car go fast, not despite it.
A fake manual mode and noise in an EV is as useful as a burrito that plays Despacito while you eat it. It functionally adds nothing, and the noise is annoying to more people than enjoy it.
Plus, this particular singing burrito costs 12 grand more than the bigger, quieter burrito.
@@Ryctor07 In my video, I ask the viewer not to judge before driving it. if you have driven or ridden in this car, and after experiencing the manual shifting, can conclusively say that it adds nothing, and the it’s not fast enough with manual mode on (it’s still faster than 95% of all cars in manual mode), then you’re absolutely right. A burrito playing despacito.
I loved the rant and appreciate the critique of the critique. After all, what's good for the goose..
Thanks so much for the feedback! I respect the point of view of skilled reviewers, but sometimes I think opinions have a tendency to be crafted instead of expressed.
@@Aslash304 To me what's ridiculous is they think their viewpoint is everyone's viewpoint, or should be. Put these guys on a car marketing team and the Camry, Corolla, Crosstrek etc. never get made. I really wonder what percentage "enthusiasts" really make up of the car market.
@@patrick7228 I couldn’t agree more. If enthusiasts were as big a group as they claim to be, every mass market car would have a manual transmission option. They don’t. Society has changed, and those that try to pretend it hasn’t look very much like they’re pretending.
I found the intro really short and comprehensive, a lot to learn from in a super short time.
I was wondering what video this would be based on the huge amount of time stamps and short pieces. But even I as a none Fisker owner had fun to watch and listen and hopefully to learn too.
I wonder if you ever regretted to sell or trade in your Fisker back then ?
@@typxxilps happy to include the source for any of the information, drop a time stamp and I’ll send it. I have no regrets. I needed to own the car to report on it accurately. And the car I ended up with is wonderful. And, I learned a lot. Hard to put a value on knowledge.
14:03 - We have OCPP here in europe as the backbone of everything. Our charger connects via WLAN to the OCPP manager running on a pi zero which is only doing 1 things: charging the car only from surplus energy from the solar power system to avoid grid
OCPP Software is called evcc for surplus charging of the car or battery and in future also running the heatpump with surplus.
Grid is 0,33$ per kWh here while feeding brings you roughly 0,09$ so it is quite a differen by average, but with dynamic pricing every hour differently and with a 1 day notice in advance things are more important to charge surplus when the sun is visible cause in around 6 pm the aver 0,33 can increase up to 0,70$ and then you make 0,60$ per kWh by avoiding these hours for drawing power from the grid.
@@typxxilps I sincerely appreciate this info!
Another excellent video - very pleased with my 2024 Mini (and it’s not in the least mini) Counttyman S E Sport and glad I dodged the Fisker fiasco here in Europe! Keep up the good work
Much appreciated. I wish we had better options from MINI in the US. I’m a big fan of the design language.
@@Aslash304 I believe that you will be getting the Countryman S E maybe next year as they are built in Germany (although I don’t know where BMW sources the battery) . The J01 electric 2 door won’t come to you for at least 3 years as they are built in China although EU tariffs have caused BMW to bring forward the upgrade of the Oxford plant to build the electric versions. Presently the gas versions are built in the UK but are the new style body mounted on the old chassis. The EV version of the hatch are on a totally new design of underpinnings designed in a joint venture with Great Wall Motors (they make their own version called the Ora 3 in Europe or the Funky Cat in China but it’s not a big seller here. ) . Mine has AWD / dual motors and 308bhp with a 64kWh usable NMC chemistry battery. It’s a bit thirsty at highway speeds but I squeezed 3.4miles/kWh at 70mph+ on a streaming wet and windy day over a 124 miles run when I left home charged to 100% and arrived with 50% SOC 124 miles later. Over the summer on local roads I’ve been averaging 4.2- 4.6m/kWh at 50mph but now colder days are here I’m seeing more in the region of 3.4-3.6 m/kWh. Charging speed is 150kW which it holds from about 5% through to 48% then slowly ramps down. It’s very comfortable and very quiet even at speed. Mine even has semi-autonomous driving which is very nice- FSD in any form isn’t permitted here yet. Bjorn Nyland (TeslaBjorn) recently did a series of tests on one the same spec as mine including his 1000km run. The U25 Countryman is 5” longer than my 2023 Land Rover Defender - that shows how mini it isn’t!
@@timoliver8940 totally Jealous! Thanks so much for the nerdy stats, too! Enjoy!
Wow Adam. I don’t know if I would have paid for Tom Tom if given the chance. It really is not that good. Now if they said $20 per month for Apple Play, that would have got my attention. Thanks as always for the update.
Thanks for the feedback. I sincerely appreciate your point of view, and it’s extremely helpful to know how others are thinking. I love CarPlay as well. However, Because of costs, even Legacy OEMs are dropping CarPlay. I’m thinking $100 a month for CarPlay if the FOA actually wanted to make it happen. And that’s just for the subscription. It would likely be double digit millions to program the hardware to support it. So, like $500 a month? The FOA has officially communicated that CarPlay is off the table, so it’s inevitably a non-Starter, but I think $16 a month for one year is better than a 17” screen that can’t find a charger or reroute if there’s an accident. Miss one flight because the NAV system didn’t reroute, and the Cost/Benefit scale sways quickly. Thanks again for sharing!
TomTom is a can of cold shit. To this day i have yet to receive more than 1 route option when entering a destination, it always sends me on the same highway regardless of traffic patterns, and if i ignore the directions it spends the next 3 miles trying to get me to make a u-turn back to their fabulous route .
Dont even get me started on how poor the functionality of the stereo/entertainment system on my FOO is. I cant even fade/balance the sound and if you pop out of the car for 5 minutes and make the mistake of locking the car, you have to go through the whole process of selecting what medium (TuneIn-another POS), Spotify, IHeart (really???) FM only radio (with NO ABILITY to search up and down the dial by simply pressing an arrow as it only selects presets) and last but not least, Bluetooth that compresses the shit out of your music and turns a 600w 15 speaker system essentially into the sound quality of an Amazon echo dot.)
Yes, you essentially have to “log in” each time and sit through another 3-5 minutes of “welcome to tunein” advertisements and the same obnoxious commercials every time.
Yay!
@@memyselfundeyewait til it permanently freezes. The rumored outcome is there will now be no remedy as it has no server to connect to when it’s reset. So, there’s a possibility the entire screen will eventually brick. I mean, it will display something, but you won’t be able to interact with it. That’s climate vents, settings, the list goes on. And $200 a person could have completely prevented it.
@@Aslash304Hi Adam. You’re welcome! This once again is going from bad to worse. I should say I am shocked at the cost of of Apple Play, but at this point, I am not. So I will go back for looking for good iPhone holders that I can attach to the 17” screen. Hopefully a removeable one so I can use the horizontal screen during extended charging. Keep up the good work!
@@Aslash304Oh boy, here we go. Ugh.
The Ioniq 5 N is my dream car. I drove one and currently it's in a class all its own.
In the video you're talking about, It seems to me that the one guy views himself as such an ICE purist / racer, that he has to loathe all the N features on principle. I've said it many times - whoever discounts or ignores the Ioniq 5 N - it's their loss. But you get the feeling that he would secretly buy one and keep it hidden from everyone.
I was so dead set against fake noise or shifting in an EV. Those were my EV "purist" feelings. When i actually drove the car, my feelings did not get hurt.. they disappeared as if they never existed. The Hyundai team responsible for this car is a collective genius. If this same tech flows down to their affordable EVs, its going to be game over for other brands.
Excellent work on this comment. I am 100% in agreement. The “purists” on both sides will be left in the dust with slower cars and fewer smiles. I wish you a successful pursuit of your dream car.
We have two Honda Prologue we are enjoying them both and so far no issues whatsoever
Great to hear!
@@Aslash304 This is our first EVER EV how can we overcome the challenges of range anxiety we have the Honda Prologue and we’re planning a trip soon and advance world be helpful Thanks
BRUHH!!! Thank you Adam
The Bruh can’t be stopped!
Electrify America has been down at every stop I’ve made between San Diego and the san Gabriel valley
@@07weetie That, my friend, is bad luck. Sorry to hear it, and I appreciate you sharing your experience.
@@Aslash304 7 stops
No encouraging
Female travelers alone at night no charge stations all the Tesla stations down or full
Need to account for fires and environmental conditions
Thanks for the update. I like your calculation, but it is not as easy. 16 Bucks for TomTom, 20 Bucks for staying online, 300 Bucks for the key fob, 500 Bucks for the water pump etc. etc. etc. So - it can become very expensive for us, especially if you paid the original price and have already paid for all that....
100% agree. The cloud will be more than $20. I can say that with evidence now.
Hi Adam and thanks for the Fisker info as always. I wanted to respond to your comment about paying a monthly fee to have Tom Tom and should the FOA have required this from the beginning. My honest response is absolutely not. I’m very happy they haven’t. I don’t use my Tom Tom be sure it’s horrible. Sends me to wrong streets, takes me longer routes etc. I have been using Google Maps since day 1 of getting my car and have zero interest in paying for a horrible navigation platform. Frankly I thought they had gone out of business years ago. Haven’t heard their name in years until the Ocean. I would much rather have the FOA work towards getting us Apple Car Play and Android Auto so that e can use whatever platform we like individually.
I understand the frustration. Apple CarPlay has already been explicitly ruled out by the FOA, and while Android Auto would be nice, we don’t know if the hardware will interface with it. Millions of dollars worth of software programming may be needed, even before a license. The screen hardware is a TomTom system.
Thanks for the very thorough examination of EV bric-a-brac, Adam! Haven’t bought or had a car in years, don’t have one, don’t ever know if I will ever open the wallet and spring for an automobile.
The two EVs I really like are the Polestar 2 and Rivian R3. Sandy Munro has examined the quality of Both Polestar2 and Rivian R3. My biggest concern is that a disastrous fire in an EV can damage everything around it. But I wouldn’t buy an ICE vehicle. If better EV battery tech adopted solid state, that would eliminate the fire risk(is that true?)
Fisker had an unconsolidated subsidiary, the Austrian component, so the SEC is involved because those records aren’t public, but are a requirement to be kept in case an indictment is filed. Retained earnings, or accumulated deficit is held at this portion of the company. This asset remains with the company in an exit.(I know - company goes poof)
In a liquidation, an auction takes place where participants with legal claims can foreclose on the assets.(same as foreclosure in real estate). This is when the company goes ‘poof’
Yes, the shares are extinguished. SEC says this about bankruptcy in their bankruptcy article. So heads up, the ticker ‘FRSNQ’ is meant to be extinguished, regardless.
However, an interested party may ‘grubstake’ the company. I use ‘grubstake’ because ppl don’t like ‘stalking horse bid’. A very legal and very possibly private bid can be made, where a company can go public DURING the auction process.
Grubstake is pretty down to earth, if you don’t get lofty abstract term like stalking horse bid. The change in ticker is essential here.
Over to you!
I appreciate the information. Very helpful explanation. I think there will be interest in the “guts” of the company. And there will most definitely be an auction (in Austria, there’s nothing to sell in the US, imo). Heights gets the IP, the liquidating trust gets the proceeds from the fleet sale (minus all the court, tax and admin costs), and the Austrian thing is too complex for me to understand other than the proceeds of the Auctions also go to heights. Since, in my opinion ( and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong ) there’s nothing to auction in the US, I don’t know what a stalking horse bid would represent the purchase of. But, I’ll admit I’m not experienced in this kind of thing.
@@Aslash304 Doesn’t look like any assets of value remain in the U.S., certainly not looking at those photos.
A stalking horse bid is like a contractual obligation that MUST be agreed to if all of the claims in the liquidation of assets are satisfied. This bid wins the auction, (and it might mean hundreds of millions up front) unless somebody makes a better offer in a counterclaim. A grubstake is more up-front, where somebody fronts some cash to the hole in the ground with a liar up at the top. But it IS ‘down and dirty’
A bid during the auction with a contractual obligation can last for years while a grubstake is immediate.
@@effingsix3825 I appreciate this. Thanks again for the insightful dialogue. Always appreciated
I came across this local news video about Fisker’s abandonment of their local offices: ruclips.net/video/WnlkEjuwRDo/видео.htmlsi=VQbqD_X328vRFtFP
was just reading this when I heard my FOO turn on in my garage. Luckily, it was just another software update.
Glad to hear you’re getting your updates
2.47 - for sure Fisker would not have paid 16$ or 200$ for year for the tomtom map support. No OEM would pay that - imagine for 10 years for every car 2000$ additional costs .
The FOA should have gotten that on the table earlier in the whole package when it had been discussed.
@@typxxilps Fisker managed to rack up $600,000 in fees from something. Likely for live traffic.
Can you add chapters to your videos? Your podcast info is great but you’re all over the place: Fisker, EVGO,
Prologue, fisker (again), etc.
I’ll add chapters.
@@Aslash304 we appreciate your content, for sure.
First, i want to extend my condolences that you live in west VA which is one of the most backwards ran states in all of America -- from civil rights to EV charging infrastructure. Second, kudos to the FOA being formed, though i wonder why they didnt include tomtom as you mention!
Much appreciated! Thanks for watching
“Exploring alternative avenues for the future” as if Fisker has a future…
This is a valid, evidence based sentiment.
What is Fisker Austria (GmBH) doing with their restructuring and Fisker IP?
IP goes to heights Capital
Man alive I'm so glad I didn't buy an Ocean.
Yet still........ people trying to defend the Ocean, saying it will all be ok with the FOA running things now (even though they aren't).
Also, how can a court keep a bk company running, to honour expensive recalls and updates, without any money! That is plain crazy. Which is basically what it all boils down to now.
Very well said
@Aslash304 Sorry mate, forgot to thank you for the video. As always, top dog on thorough reports. Unlike some RUclips channels.
Cheers bud.
@@Turbomgzt I really appreciate this
Have other people been getting their discounted Wallbox chargers? Been over a month for me and nada.
I would call Wallbox. 888-787-5780 Let me know if you don’t get an answer
Did you contact wallbox as they were sending them out based on the list that Fisker provided to them.
@@reviewaccount8377 oh you know what, I didn't think about that. I just tried emailing and calling fisker. Thank you!
@@reviewaccount8377 Update: tried Wallbox, they said they sent out all of the orders they received from Fisker and couldn't help me, and to contact Fisker.
You couldn't possibly be refering to the Savageese video in the rant? Yeah, they didn't agree amongst themselves, extremely painful to watch... Normally I tend to like their videos, but this one should not have been released.
100% agree.
isn't the 600k just to sit at the table for a discussion since that's what Fisker owed them? so it'd be at least that, plus more for actual service? Anyway, I remember when first picking up the car I thought i was going crazy because I coudln't find the volume for the navigation.. who da F designs a navigation and doesn't include option to control the volume of the directions?
@@bernssss0820 you have to adjust the volume wheel while it’s talking. Not the best solution, but not uncommon.
@@Aslash304hmm then something must be wrong w my car because I have tried and it never worked... 😢
I know you want comments so here you go: are you suggesting now owners must pay all Fisker bills? Enjoy the comment 😊
FOA should find the best solutions for owners and not having live data on the gps for sometime is better than spending 200 euros. Also why don’t you include american lease? They can also pay Tom Tom just because (same reason as for the owners paying for Fisker’s bills)
Great Feedback: Here’s are some reasons I addressed this: Have you ever driven to an out of service charger because you didn’t use the integrated route planning? Or Have you ever encountered a horrible traffic jam because you didn’t use GPS? I didn’t come up with the $600,000 figure. But I know what the alternatives are for people who actually use the Ocean as a Car. I simply calculate the cost to completely eliminate the concern for people who are currently relying on the features that are being discontinued. Great point with American Lease. Why didn’t the FOA include American Lease? If the cost was split 50/50, that’s $8.50 a month for live traffic data. I’m just attempting to explore alternatives other than loss of functionality. How much is live traffic data and functional route planning worth to someone with a 60 mile commute? The whole point of the FOA is to reduce costs through scale and negotiation (unless I misunderstand the mission). The lawyers cost a lot of money, but there was a significant benefit from it. Why not look at continuity of functionality this way? I’m sure they could have negotiated a better rate in the future by making it right with TomTom in the present. There’s no promise TomTom will negotiate with the FOA without paying this $600,000. It just makes every Ocean one step closer to a Brick. And if spending money to fix issues is not the preference, why join the FOA? Thank you so much for your feedback. I appreciate your point of view and I believe it is the reason the FOA chose loss of Functionality over a solution.
@@Aslash304if you have had to rely on the TomTom route planning and charging stop location features, you would realize that even $.01 /mo is grossly overpriced.
@@memyselfundeye I have, and I Agree. Ocean owners are going to have Uber driver setups now. No live traffic makes it a little harder for owners to tell me they “don’t have any issues,” while their iPhone navigates them to their destination with no charging recommendations while attached to the massive, and yet completely useless for driving, 17” screen.
Let's face Henrik and his wife are a bunch of crooks .
Not going to argue with this
That’s not true, as an ionic 5N owner
Thanks for this!
that's not true
Thanks for this!