MSR Dragonfly Is It A Good Overlanding Stove?
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Is the MSR Dragonfly a good stove? The answer is clearly a yes, it is an amazing stove. However, is the MSR Dragonfly a good overland stove? Watch as I give my opinion and reasons for why or why not this MSR Dragonfly is a good overland stove.
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There's a trick to avoiding the fuel mess when taking out the pump (and as a bonus, it cleans the fuel line). Instead of closing the valve when you're done, just rotate the fuel bottle such that the pick-up tube is floating at the top of the bottle. This uses the remaining air pressure to push the remaining fuel out of the fuel line, and if you just leave it, it'll eventually fully depressurize. :)
You sir have must have the biggest of brains. That is one of the smartest things I’ve herd pertaining to these stoves. Thank you!
@@EmbarkWithMark Haha aw thanks.. not my idea though. :p It's the standard operating procedure on Primus stoves, but just so happens to work with ours as well!
Thats true but it would be bether to blow the flame before it run out of fuel cause carbon monoxide could clug it faster if not / still a little drip but it keep white gass stoves clean longer
I agree with you Gordon. MSR seem dead against this procedure, insisting that the pump tap handle remains facing up. It can't be that there is something wrong with turning the bottle over as their 'training' videos show the tap upwards with the stove upside down when cleaning/purging the fuel line. I believe that clearing the line of fuel 'Primus-style' is a sensible solution to avoid spilt fuel and the greater risk of splashing it on your hands and clothes when removing the pump to release the pressure in the bottle.
@@timavison2242 MSR против такой процедуры потому что в конструкции нет шарнирного узла. Шланг у MSR намного толще, короче и жёстче чем у других горелок и данная процедура проблематична. Я делаю по другому - поднимаю горящую горелку за бутылку и поворачиваю так чтобы трубка подачи топлива была вверху. Минуту примерно горелка горит, потом тухнет с шипением выходящего воздуха. Не дожидаясь пока весь воздух выйдет закрываю кран на бутылке и все.
Да, это возможно опасно, но я ни разу не обжигался.
A tip for priming. Add a bit more fuel than shown in this video before closing the valve. Tip the stove a bit to the right allowing the fuel to drain through the hole in the bottom of the stove onto the wick beneath, as intended by the manufacture. Then light the wick and prime with the fuel valve OFF. Heat rises so this is more efficient at warming the stove. It should have a blue flame once the valve is turned on.
Safety is literally MSR's middle name(Mountain Safety Research) and this is the safest method as it avoids potential fireballs from the valve being open like the Coleman stoves. I do like Colemans and I own 5 of them, 2 550B's, 2 533's, and a 413g.
Also the fuel line is intended to be bent in such a way that the fuel bottle is a bit further from the burner. I know it seems as though you may harm it, but the manufacture recommends it and It has never hurt any of my 3 Dragonfly stoves. I own 3 Whisperlites too.
99% of reviews(of any product) focus primary, if not exclusively on the pros. The pros can be gathered from a products commercial/ads. Hearing the cons is what truly matters for people who don’t already own reviewed products.
Well done video.
Absolutely true, thank you!
I’ve had a whisperlite for 35 (?) years and other than replacing the O-rings haven’t had a problem. I can’t say the same for the Coleman’s I’ve had.
It’s a similar set up, but the leaking fuel can be an issue. I get around that by never taking the pump off. Lol. Probably not wise. ;)
Priming the pump is a pain, but I’d rather do that than deal with cartridges.
Yes it’s definitely loud! The whisperlite is less loud, however. The windshield helps with this some.
My big complaint is that the stand on mine is pretty small as your boiling demo shows. I will say that thicker pots show this less.
Our Coleman sucks because it’s inefficient and takes forever to heat up. It has more space though.
I can see your points. It’s not for everyone. Plus one thing you didn’t mention is that you can only have one pot at a time. I love my whisperlite, but for anyone thinking about getting one, Mark makes some valid points.
I think both the Whisperlite and the Dragonfly are very good stoves. Lots of reports of these things running for a very very long time. Just for me, I do not think they are great overlanding stoves. At least the Dragonfly maybe. However, I will still be keeping my Dragonfly I do like the stove and will find other uses for it. Just probably not part of my usual overlanding kit.
Have you had any issues with not taking the pump off? If I stay in one area, I keep the pump on. But If we are going to travel I remove the pump out of fear that somehow it will break.
Noise level won’t bother me I’ve never camped with other people around me besides my wife and kids and my buddy Finis. He’s the problem he starts snapping limbs for fire wood over his knees at 5am to make coffee right in camp. I’m going to get him to start using this dragonfly. Thanks for the info.
Simple. You need a pot with a more conductive and evenly heating bottom, or a cast iron dutch oven. Cheap metal camping pots are thin and just not made for even heat. As a chef, former backpacker, and evolving overlander; the dragonfly and whisperlite as a dup made the most sense. Not committing to propane cylinders and/or isobutane canisters which are increasingly expensive and hard to find; the multi-fuel dragonfly also made more sense. I was very close to getting the new GSI thin propane stove and after weeks of research and brainstorming form factor, size, more metal gear to bang around and rattle in the back.. again concluded the dragonfly was the best , most diverse functioning stove that didn't require a dedicated drawer or storage spot. Even with a kitchen under-fridge drawer slide setup, it makes sense to just pack this away in the drawer for less noise and more storage for kitchen tools and other items. In response to your concerns, the one i do agree with is noise. Having to preheat the cup to vaporize the gas is definitely not optimal but it is still better for me not to worry about heavy tanks and canisters. Just a couple bottles and a can of white gas is all you need. As far as fuel leaks- Maybe I am lucky but I don't recall ever having a leak when opening the pressurized can or removing the gas line. I spent so much time weighing out the pros and cons but for me personally, emergency use was also a big consideration so this stove wins. High btu-s, great simmering (makes great rice even in a thin pot).
I think our biggest problem is that we use a pot thats entirely too large for what the dragonfly was designed for.
The dragonfly is a fantastic stove and we have started to use it a lot more with the Bernie dawg mod. (here's the mod for more info ruclips.net/video/Y5buPDVartA/видео.html). It fixes about 90% of the issues we had with the stove for our setup.
Like you, I bought it also for the emergency capabilities and its very hard to beat in that category for sure. Overall this is a great stove but I think their is room for improvement for us overlanding types.
@@EmbarkWithMark The problem is your pot, not the size, but heat conductivity. You don't want a pot with a very thick base, but you want a layered pot base that distribute the heat better AND you want a good windscreen that will reflect the heat back in. I even use it with a 28cm household style pan and it works just fine.
I have one of these "Dragon Tamers" to reduce the noise, but I don't find they are worth it. Sure, it's less noisy and distributes the flame better, but it also cuts output quite a bit.
Overall, I've been using the DragonFly (on my second stove and fifth or so pump now) for over 20 years and it just works reliably all the time with outstanding flame control for nice cooking. I either use this one or a larger propane stove (Jetboil Genesis).
I have 2 of these stoves for my overlanding setup. Love them! I have actually mounted them permanently to a plywood board so dont have the hassle of breaking it down all the time I have also added the Dragon Tamer to the setup which makes is quieter and improves the cooking and size of that heat ring. I have cooked a with a 5litre cast iron dutch oven pot and made my Bolognese which takes about 3 hours of slow simmering...was fantastic!!!! I use Aspen 4 fuel. Cheaper than Coleman Fuel... Burns super clean and doesnt smell once it evaporates!!
I’ve also added the dragon tamer to my stove. It’s a very nice addition.
Mount to plywood you say? You might just be on to something. Thank you for the tip!
Now that’s some serious cooking! I love hearing these types of stories. I bet it was delicious 😋.
Mine is still taken up into the mountains, family of 4. Probably 20years old. Still chooching.
We changed out the burner cup to silence the noise. We love it now and have been using it as our primary stove. We have been using this stove almost every weekend for the past 11 months. Love it!
Great, I like reviewers who aren't afraid to express their personal feelings and observations. With the Coleman's the generator tubes are expensive. I don't find the Dragonfly that noisy - especially if you don't turn it right up on full pump, for me the reliability day in day out is a very big factor and you made that point too.
I appreciate that! Very well said there is something to be said for how reliable MSR dragonfly stoves are.
Buy a "Bernie Dawg" silencer...well worth the money and your "social acceptance" score as a 'quiet camper' will improve dramatically (LOL). (there are numerous RUclips clips on the "Dawg"). I've used this stove for overlanding and bush walking trips in the Australian "outback" for many many years. I don't take gas canisters/LP Gas EVER. Apart from the common sense hint below about inverting the bottle to depressurise without spilling the fuel on your hands, another hint is to use a few cc of industrial alcohol for the priming with all valves turned OFF. It burns much cleaner and primes faster reducing the carbon build-up. The Dragon Fly is not designed for cooking for crowds : -)) A Coleman dual fuel is ideal for base camp...
Ill need to check out the "Bernie Dawg" silencer. Thank you for sharing that bit of knowledge. the alcohol trick seems like it would work very well and just keep the whole stove a bit cleaner. I think I have a stove addiction, I seem to like them all for some reason or another. The first step is admitting I have a problem, right? The dragonfly is just an awesome stove to have and use. Except the noise... The Bernie Dawg sounds like it's going on my buy list. Thank you!
The noise could be an issue but in most situations it just isn't or not much. You can also turn it down a bit if noise is an issue. A hot spot is about the pot and the flame profile and will be the same with any similar size stove whether liquid fuel or not. Pots that have well designed bottoms designed to distribute heat will always be best while single skin thin titanium pots would be the worst. The other thing is if heat distribution on the pot is an issue then use a simmer pad. I find a simmer pad is useful even on our stove at home for delicate simmering like for making jam or simmering a stew and that flame profile is a lot bigger. I have the Dragonfly, one of four liquid fuel stoves I have. It is pretty solid and useful. Noise is only an issue if you have others around you objecting for whatever reason.
It is surely hotter and more weather-resistant than the common shabu-shabu style butane canister stoves. It can go from angel's whisper for nice egg dishes to flame thrower mode for melting snow.
Far more durable than isobutane stoves! It’s a very good stove.
With Coleman stoves, the stem goes through the flame to heat up the fuel, thats why its quicker, the whole reason u lite n wait, is to heat up the fuel regulator so it changes to a gas, mostly a matter of patience
True! The Dragonfly also has a generator tub of sorts, it's just routed differently. Honestly, we solved our noise issue on the stove and now use on every trip.
@@EmbarkWithMark how did u solve it?
@@mitchdaoust2826 glad you asked! MSR Dragonfly with Berniedawg dragon tamer 3
ruclips.net/video/Y5buPDVartA/видео.html
Many years of use and abuse... One of the best liquid stove ever made....
You should try the silent cap tho cause it spread the heat bether for biger pot and reduce the noice at the same time / it was the perfect winther backpack stove for foodies!
I just picked one up! I’ve tested on the work bench but not in the wild yet. So far, I’d have to agree with you!
I got the dragon so i could use a bunch of different fuels. Been using kerosene in it. I still like the old tried and true Coleman propane stove too.
You know, I bought the dragonfly for the same exact reason. That and the giant pot stands it has.
@@EmbarkWithMark i forget about the potstand too. The others looked tippy to me and im clutzy too.
and as for the boiling in the middle - that's because you have a pot with a very thin bottom. The bottom is heating unevenly. I'll bet you can see warpage of the metal because the bottom heated at different rates.
It's not the stove.
Why does anyone need silent cookimg anyway?
It doesn’t have to be silent, but a stove that doesn’t echo in the forest would be nice!
@@EmbarkWithMark ...why ..
Just hold napkin around it when opening the pressurized bottle
Honestly, it hasn't been a problem. I just leave the pump in full time now in the bottle. We use the stove almost every weekend now. It's wonderfully reliable.
Most of theses problems are user error most people over pressure the bottle maximum pumbs for a dragonfly is 15
Most people put any were from 20 to 50 witch is way to much pressure leaking of fuel when dissembling it your not
Airing it off long anuff before dissembling it your basically not letting it ivaperate from the stove as for the boiling Paton is that pot is way to big for dragonfly pot size stick to 8 inch pot and it won't happen it's becose the heat cannot spread even across that size of pot and for the sooty stove prom with alcohol and your stove will stay cleaner and not clog
У моей горелки есть такая фигня что мощность пламени падает примерно через 5-7 минут, стоит повернуть регулятор туда-сюда и пламя снова такое же как было. Я так и не понял в чем причина...
You don’t know much about thermodynamics. do you? If the middle of the water is boiling, it’s all boiling.
Well, I think that the design of the burner is such that it doesn't spread much and the pot demonstrates that but cast iron cookware would be nice if you have a car. I love my cast iron fry pan and might buy a nice cast iron pot also. It was a good review and an honest one but the perfect stove doesn't exist. I bought the Soto Muka and it is so clean and powerful but simmering not as good as this so I got a second hand Dragonfly coming. I had an Optimus 8R for many decades and this is so similar to that in the burner design. I agree that boiling is boiling but interesting to see this.
MOOT point, not MUTE point
You can leave the pump in the bottle until you get home then wash your hands, creating a problem where none exists. A fantastic stove that does require minimal maintenance very infrequently. As for the priming learn how to use it, a bit more fuel and it would have been good to go, it's not a coleman and not comparable. It's loud but you're not going to wake anyone up in a tent a few yards away. A rolling boil is a rolling boil despite the vicinty of the heat source, the water in the vessel all has to be at 100c, what a load of nonsense. A poor review IMO!
I do leave the pump in the bottle now. So that is a none issue.
I also put the dragontamer on the stove and it has fixed every issue we had with the stove. It’s our main stove now. Even over the Coleman stove. A fantastic stove.
@@EmbarkWithMark I'm happy you've seen the light 😉
indeed! it's a stove. @@arkaywat11