My Prodigy now has zero mim parts all aftermarket except the slide frame and grip, and is still well under a Staccato for price. I can comfortably say not only is it better than a Staccato, but it also makes my friends who went with a Staccato and shoot my Prodigy say wtf 😂. I have a few different 2011s and the Prodigy is hands down my favorite.
I got a prodigy 4.25 and did all the "cleaning" of the cerakote, replaced mim parts with EGW (sear, disconnector, springs). Added EGW magwell, thumb safety, etc. Copied so many youtubers recommendations (threat cadre, skips guns, etc.) I also splurged and got a new 2024 Staccato P (4.4, DLC barrel, slide cuts) stock duty style, but didnt shoot it yet. Shot both at the range the other day to compare. Shot both with Staccato mags, 115, 124 and hollow points. SOLD my Prodigy immediately afterward and was bittersweet. Put lots of hours and $ into the Prodigy. Sorry friend, DOESNT COME CLOSE! I wish it did, as the Prodigy became my favorite gun to work on and was proud to show off my work to my friends. No words will help explain, but i recommend you try yourself. You may not agree, but for me, a fully upgraded Prodigy will not compare. Using that money toward purchasing a Staccato C or CS for carry. (Currently have X Macro Comp).
I edc my prod 4.25 apendix with iwb desantis. I have no issues at all with weight or anything. It weighs a little Less then my sig p229 elite. I carried my sig edc for 3 years and I am 6 ft 165lb. Easy to edc a prod in my book.
That’s funny. I been looking at the 4.25” prodigy and went on RUclips to see how it would compare with a 229 as an edc. I also edc my 229 legion and I love it. But been wanting a 2011 since getting my 229 a couple of years ago. You said it’s lighter than your 229? How about grip length difference?? And how would you compare their recoils? Tia 🙏🏽
@@MrDalon37 wow we where thinking the same. I loved my 229 elite . I shot my buddies prod 4.25 and very next day traded my 229 in for a new prod 4.25. Weight really won't notice a diffrence. My 229 with optics weight was 36 oz. My prod with same otpic weighs 34 oz. Now the grip is a hair longer on prodigy. But not enough to notice edc. The massive difference in 229 and any other pistol compared to a 2011 is the recoil and how easy to shoot. Remeber a 2011 is the same as a 1911 but double stack mag. The 2011 was made to shoot a 45 cal bullet. So it was built to Handel the more powerful recoil. Now take the same design and put a 9mm bullet in it. The recoil is rediclous nothing. My wifes m&p shields ez 380 has more recoil. First time I shot the prod I shot it better then anytime I shot my p229 and i could shot my 229 great. 2011 are used in compition. The reason is speed and recoil . There is a reason why 2011 are so expensive. They are the ultimate platform for a pistol. Hope this helps. If you get a prod 4.25. Trust me you will love it.
Bought my 4.25 about 9 months ago and have put ~1000 rounds through it and haven't had any failures others that have shot it have had 2 stove pipes after around the 500 round mark, I attributed that to dirtiness and limp wrist in combination other than that it's been the nicest firearm I've shot
I got a 5” comp. I fed it a mixture of loads with different bullet head profiles and had no issues. Maybe it’s because it’s a newer one. Started carrying it and it’s comfortable for me. Doesn’t feel like I’m carrying a full size. My goal is to to carry what I compete with and be proficient with one all around gun. Everything I have is stock. Just my experience thus far.
@@yockhunter 🔥🔥🔥 I wanted the 4.25” but I realized I don’t have a full size and I want to get into competition shooting so I felt like the 5” was the way to go lol. mine should be here Thursday and same here I’ve only had Airsoft 2011’s
I own a 4.25 Prodigy and a Staccato XC. I’ve shot them side by side with a rented Staccato P. The best by far is the XC, but second place went to the Prodigy. It felt noticeably better than the P I rented. If you buy a new Prodigy and it is not reliable, just send it to Springfield. They will usually return it within 5-8 weeks and it will probably be extremely reliable from that point (mine has been). Chasing better parts is usually not worth it with the Prodigy since Springfield honors their warranty. At most get a DSC comp barrel kit to reduce recoil and then you can tune your trigger without swapping parts. I have mine down to 2.5 lbs. The difference between a tuned factory trigger and something like the Atlas parts is going to be irrelevant to most people because there are very few experts that can extract any performance gains from those parts. Also, there should be no need to swap springs anywhere if you just give Springfield tech support a chance. That excludes maintenance related replacements at scheduled intervals… Finally , If you are going to spend $1300 or more and them another $400-700 in upgrades, you might as well look elsewhere because the Prodigy is not the only sub $2000 1911 double stack.
@@ZensivYT I thought I was the only one underwhelmed by the Staccato P. The one I shot choked every other round. I honestly couldn't justify the price tag to myself. We actually went back to shooting the CZs I had. Different strokes, different folks I guess.
I'm like the only guy who got a prodigy that has had zero issues. Ended up swapping out the mim internals for egw parts, magwell, trigger and a 8 pound main spring. Runs even better now but maybe it's just my experience but hey 🤷🏾♂️
Bone stock with 1100 rounds through it with no issues. Runs like a champ. I dont carry it, but that’s because I don’t have a holster I like for it. I might just get the Safariland OWB and only open or winter carry.
Thanks for making this. I was thinking of getting into the 2011 market, but this sounds like more maintenance than an old car. Appreciate it and I’ll keep watching
Chambers Custom and Eric Mercier will work on Prodigy's and get them running up to their amazing standards. I haven't used them but they are regarded as some the top smiths in this space. Interesting video thanks.
I got the 5 inch Prodigy after I thought kinks were worked out, I was wrong. I only had 2 days with it. I sent it back to Springfield Armory and now it works great. I wish this was working great prior. This is what's plaguing the Prodigy.
Prodigy was my first 2011 had it for 1 month did my own upgrades. I run an 8#/17# setup as its my new competition main. 2 matches so far no problems. The mags required some work but 23 rds on 140mm tubes.
Shot two staccatos over the course of a month. I don’t understand the hype or the cost. And I even get a HEFTY discount on staccato AND ITS STILL STUPID EXPENSIVE. I want to get one of the Tisas 2011s to play with. See how that thing runs.
The needed maintenance of 1911/2011 is why I don’t use it much. I got Staccato C2 and Sig P229… I use the P229 more, the P229 requires much less cleaning and maintenance to run well. Staccato is mostly a range pistol for me. Fun to shoot at the range. That said, both of them are too big/heavy for EDC+CC. I do OWB carry P229 at home at night time though but it’s pretty heavy (oh yea it’s a Legion). I treat the Staccato like a Ferrari, parked in my locked gun safe, and taken out for a spin on weekends at the range. Clean it about once a year.
Any reason why you didn’t just send it back to Springfield? One of my Buddies had a Springfield prodigy that ran terribly he sent it back and now it runs perfectly and he didn’t have to spend a dime on it, any concerns with that extended firing pin making the gun less drop safe than a typical 2011 is? either way great video
That's a good point. Extended pin would potentially increase risk for drop safety. I might go to a slightly higher power firing pin spring as that's the part where drop safety really relies on
the main reason for me with staccato is i didnt feel the need to upgrade or repair anything on and it and it keeps its value very well, upgrading the prodigy never increases the value and it usually sells for way less than its purchased for
@@joshb2142 North Star coating and did it in bronze! You might want to have more small parts along with it because they have a minimum $200 batch charge but it covers more items than just the barrel and hammer if that makes sense
@@TheKoreanMarksman maybe a dumb question, but do you coat the inside of the barrel? And does that effect accuracy/performance? I'm new to this concept of custom work on guns. I've always run everything pretty stock.
If you haven't shot a Staccato, how do you know your Prodigy is actually better than a Staccato? Also, it looks like SA doesn't make a comped Prodigy anymore, so now you have to add in the comped barrel to the cost of your build. Did you actually come out ahead by buying your Prodigy and doing everything that you did or is it roughly the same price? And now that you switched parts, the warranty from SA is out the window. Personally, I haven't shot a double-stack Staccato. I have shot higher end 2011s, though, and several production double-stack 1911s. Production guns take a lot of work to get to the level of anything over $3000 (pre-plandemic money). If you ever get the chance, try your Prodigy next to similar sized custom guns and you'll feel the difference.
A Stacato xc is coming in at 4200 new, so getting a prodigy comped, and gutting it and putting new parts in it will still come out much cheaper than a comped staccato
I’d go Staccato at a minimum out the gate. Unless you’re a good gunsmith with premium parts and labor you’re looking at $800 - $1000 ish and in the end it’s still a Prodigy.
Totally agree and I have been arguing that the 2011's are not good for EDC. Glock for EDC for sure. Really I know that the staccato would have been a better experience out of the box. With that said, I did modify my staccato to my liking.
You will never really get a Prodigy to Staccato level. Not without extensive frame work and possibly re fitting a new slide from scratch. This is why people who don’t have a basic mechanical understanding shouldn’t give their opinions. If your experience is “learning from RUclips” you have a ways to go. Springfield cannot match the machining tolerances of staccato. Period. Pin gauge and mic the guns once and you will see why. These aren’t features to can fix with polishing and coatings. Period.
@@TheKoreanMarksmannot really an opinion. The frame and its tolerances are the “heart” of any 1911/2011. Things like hammer and seat pin hole alignment are difficult dimensions to keep tight tolerances on. The cheaper the pistol the wider the tolerances. Same applies to the rails, disco hole, and so on. The slide and barrel are no different. The tolerances of a staccato are simply better and the coatings are superior. Period.
My Prodigy now has zero mim parts all aftermarket except the slide frame and grip, and is still well under a Staccato for price. I can comfortably say not only is it better than a Staccato, but it also makes my friends who went with a Staccato and shoot my Prodigy say wtf 😂. I have a few different 2011s and the Prodigy is hands down my favorite.
I second this!!
I got a prodigy 4.25 and did all the "cleaning" of the cerakote, replaced mim parts with EGW (sear, disconnector, springs). Added EGW magwell, thumb safety, etc. Copied so many youtubers recommendations (threat cadre, skips guns, etc.)
I also splurged and got a new 2024 Staccato P (4.4, DLC barrel, slide cuts) stock duty style, but didnt shoot it yet.
Shot both at the range the other day to compare. Shot both with Staccato mags, 115, 124 and hollow points.
SOLD my Prodigy immediately afterward and was bittersweet. Put lots of hours and $ into the Prodigy.
Sorry friend, DOESNT COME CLOSE! I wish it did, as the Prodigy became my favorite gun to work on and was proud to show off my work to my friends.
No words will help explain, but i recommend you try yourself. You may not agree, but for me, a fully upgraded Prodigy will not compare.
Using that money toward purchasing a Staccato C or CS for carry. (Currently have X Macro Comp).
@@kennedysungjr.4527 just bought a cs and I’m a fan for sure
i went through the exact same thing
I edc my prod 4.25 apendix with iwb desantis. I have no issues at all with weight or anything. It weighs a little Less then my sig p229 elite. I carried my sig edc for 3 years and I am 6 ft 165lb. Easy to edc a prod in my book.
That’s funny. I been looking at the 4.25” prodigy and went on RUclips to see how it would compare with a 229 as an edc. I also edc my 229 legion and I love it. But been wanting a 2011 since getting my 229 a couple of years ago. You said it’s lighter than your 229? How about grip length difference?? And how would you compare their recoils? Tia 🙏🏽
@@MrDalon37 wow we where thinking the same. I loved my 229 elite . I shot my buddies prod 4.25 and very next day traded my 229 in for a new prod 4.25. Weight really won't notice a diffrence. My 229 with optics weight was 36 oz. My prod with same otpic weighs 34 oz. Now the grip is a hair longer on prodigy. But not enough to notice edc. The massive difference in 229 and any other pistol compared to a 2011 is the recoil and how easy to shoot. Remeber a 2011 is the same as a 1911 but double stack mag. The 2011 was made to shoot a 45 cal bullet. So it was built to Handel the more powerful recoil. Now take the same design and put a 9mm bullet in it. The recoil is rediclous nothing. My wifes m&p shields ez 380 has more recoil. First time I shot the prod I shot it better then anytime I shot my p229 and i could shot my 229 great. 2011 are used in compition. The reason is speed and recoil . There is a reason why 2011 are so expensive. They are the ultimate platform for a pistol. Hope this helps. If you get a prod 4.25. Trust me you will love it.
Bought my 4.25 about 9 months ago and have put ~1000 rounds through it and haven't had any failures others that have shot it have had 2 stove pipes after around the 500 round mark, I attributed that to dirtiness and limp wrist in combination other than that it's been the nicest firearm I've shot
Solid man!! Glad to hear it
I got a 5” comp. I fed it a mixture of loads with different bullet head profiles and had no issues. Maybe it’s because it’s a newer one. Started carrying it and it’s comfortable for me. Doesn’t feel like I’m carrying a full size. My goal is to to carry what I compete with and be proficient with one all around gun. Everything I have is stock. Just my experience thus far.
Nice man that's awesome!
Just ordered my 5 inch prodigy can’t wait for it to get to my FFL😊🎉
Got my 4.25 coming on Monday first time 2011 onwer
@@yockhunter 🔥🔥🔥 I wanted the 4.25” but I realized I don’t have a full size and I want to get into competition shooting so I felt like the 5” was the way to go lol. mine should be here Thursday and same here I’ve only had Airsoft 2011’s
I own a 4.25 Prodigy and a Staccato XC. I’ve shot them side by side with a rented Staccato P. The best by far is the XC, but second place went to the Prodigy. It felt noticeably better than the P I rented.
If you buy a new Prodigy and it is not reliable, just send it to Springfield. They will usually return it within 5-8 weeks and it will probably be extremely reliable from that point (mine has been). Chasing better parts is usually not worth it with the Prodigy since Springfield honors their warranty. At most get a DSC comp barrel kit to reduce recoil and then you can tune your trigger without swapping parts. I have mine down to 2.5 lbs. The difference between a tuned factory trigger and something like the Atlas parts is going to be irrelevant to most people because there are very few experts that can extract any performance gains from those parts.
Also, there should be no need to swap springs anywhere if you just give Springfield tech support a chance. That excludes maintenance related replacements at scheduled intervals…
Finally , If you are going to spend $1300 or more and them another $400-700 in upgrades, you might as well look elsewhere because the Prodigy is not the only sub $2000 1911 double stack.
Thanks for sharing your experience man! Good thoughts for sure
I also felt the prodigy shot better than the P! I was disappointed with the staccato P when I rented it
@@ZensivYT I thought I was the only one underwhelmed by the Staccato P. The one I shot choked every other round. I honestly couldn't justify the price tag to myself. We actually went back to shooting the CZs I had. Different strokes, different folks I guess.
I'm like the only guy who got a prodigy that has had zero issues. Ended up swapping out the mim internals for egw parts, magwell, trigger and a 8 pound main spring. Runs even better now but maybe it's just my experience but hey 🤷🏾♂️
Bone stock with 1100 rounds through it with no issues. Runs like a champ. I dont carry it, but that’s because I don’t have a holster I like for it. I might just get the Safariland OWB and only open or winter carry.
Thanks for making this. I was thinking of getting into the 2011 market, but this sounds like more maintenance than an old car. Appreciate it and I’ll keep watching
It's definitely for rich people or for nerds. (I'm not the former...)
You talked me out of any 2011 build. 😂
Just bought my 5” today with the comp. Does your Cylee Bull X Pro fit with the AOS A13B plate?
Chambers Custom and Eric Mercier will work on Prodigy's and get them running up to their amazing standards. I haven't used them but they are regarded as some the top smiths in this space. Interesting video thanks.
Right on! I have heard good things about them just haven’t sent my prodigy out to those dudes
I got the 5 inch Prodigy after I thought kinks were worked out, I was wrong. I only had 2 days with it. I sent it back to Springfield Armory and now it works great. I wish this was working great prior. This is what's plaguing the Prodigy.
Ah sorry to hear that. Glad it's sorted out now
what was the issue and what did they do to fix it? Thanks
Nice video. I'm on a similar journey so I appreciate you sharing your experiences.
Thanks man! Always happy to share what I got going on
Prodigy was my first 2011 had it for 1 month did my own upgrades. I run an 8#/17# setup as its my new competition main. 2 matches so far no problems. The mags required some work but 23 rds on 140mm tubes.
Solid man! Glad to hear things are working great for ya
I found your channel today…half-Korean over-landing prepper here
Heck yeahhh man!
Let’s goo! I’ve been waiting for this video 🔥
Thanks for the support!!! Hope I didn’t disappoint :)
Greats video bro keep posting !!!
Thank you!!
Shot two staccatos over the course of a month. I don’t understand the hype or the cost. And I even get a HEFTY discount on staccato AND ITS STILL STUPID EXPENSIVE. I want to get one of the Tisas 2011s to play with. See how that thing runs.
Staccato mags are check mate mags stamped with a staccato logo.
Yoooo thanks boss!!
That used to be the case. As of 2024 staccato has changed their magazines considerably. Not sure who makes em now.
The needed maintenance of 1911/2011 is why I don’t use it much. I got Staccato C2 and Sig P229… I use the P229 more, the P229 requires much less cleaning and maintenance to run well. Staccato is mostly a range pistol for me. Fun to shoot at the range. That said, both of them are too big/heavy for EDC+CC. I do OWB carry P229 at home at night time though but it’s pretty heavy (oh yea it’s a Legion).
I treat the Staccato like a Ferrari, parked in my locked gun safe, and taken out for a spin on weekends at the range. Clean it about once a year.
Yeah it's definitely a needy girl..
Liked and subscribed! I recently purchased the Prodigy 4.25” and I love to learn more about how to make it reliable for EDC.
Great!! Thanks man
Prodigy mags are perfectly fine
I would classify them as mediocre
@@TheKoreanMarksman I mean they run in my nighthawk and all my staccato
@@NCTACO did you tune those duramags or leave them as they came?
@@LVbibby as is no tuning. Watch the video on 10-8 performance will help
I have a lot of staccato and Springfield mags. They both run great.
Using this info for a MAC 9 DS by Tisas/SDS.
Fantastic! Would love to hear how it impacts things
How is that MAC 1911 DS working for you? Mine comes in today.
Any reason why you didn’t just send it back to Springfield? One of my Buddies had a Springfield prodigy that ran terribly he sent it back and now it runs perfectly and he didn’t have to spend a dime on it, any concerns with that extended firing pin making the gun less drop safe than a typical 2011 is? either way great video
Mine went back to Springfield and has been very reliable since then. I hate the fact that very few youtubers point out that option.
That's a good point. Extended pin would potentially increase risk for drop safety. I might go to a slightly higher power firing pin spring as that's the part where drop safety really relies on
the main reason for me with staccato is i didnt feel the need to upgrade or repair anything on and it and it keeps its value very well, upgrading the prodigy never increases the value and it usually sells for way less than its purchased for
That’s a good point. Just picked up a staccato last week!
Also a point i want to make, MAC 1911 DS uses NO mim parts and no cerakote.
This is a huge selling point yeahhh
i wish you had a link is there anyway to email links or post them somewhere ?
Can you look into the MAC 1911 DS? And can you "make it better" than a staccato?
Hopefully someday soon I can!
Who PVD’ your barrel?
North Star coating in MN!
What lbs is the guide rod spring? Springfield sends them out with 12lbs.
I just tuned the spring by clipping off a couple coils and testing fitment
at 0:45 look at your slide not going back into battery. Nice vid
An issue that plagued me for a long time
But it's better than a Staccato 😂🙃😉
Hey man. Where did you get the PVD coating on your barrel and hammer? And what color is it?
@@joshb2142 North Star coating and did it in bronze! You might want to have more small parts along with it because they have a minimum $200 batch charge but it covers more items than just the barrel and hammer if that makes sense
@@TheKoreanMarksman thanks man! I'll take a look! Super cool build man. Look forward to more videos!
@@joshb2142 Thanks so much Josh. Appreciate the support for the channel man
@@TheKoreanMarksman maybe a dumb question, but do you coat the inside of the barrel? And does that effect accuracy/performance? I'm new to this concept of custom work on guns. I've always run everything pretty stock.
What is weight of the recoil spring you’re using?
Stock spring with a few coils clipped off (one at a time and then testing)
If you haven't shot a Staccato, how do you know your Prodigy is actually better than a Staccato? Also, it looks like SA doesn't make a comped Prodigy anymore, so now you have to add in the comped barrel to the cost of your build. Did you actually come out ahead by buying your Prodigy and doing everything that you did or is it roughly the same price? And now that you switched parts, the warranty from SA is out the window. Personally, I haven't shot a double-stack Staccato. I have shot higher end 2011s, though, and several production double-stack 1911s. Production guns take a lot of work to get to the level of anything over $3000 (pre-plandemic money). If you ever get the chance, try your Prodigy next to similar sized custom guns and you'll feel the difference.
That’s very valid man. I want to get behind an Atlas or even a staccato (title is mostly for the algorithm)
@@TheKoreanMarksman I don't know where you are, but there is a range near me that rents Staccatos, since they're a stocking Staccato and Atlas dealer.
A Stacato xc is coming in at 4200 new, so getting a prodigy comped, and gutting it and putting new parts in it will still come out much cheaper than a comped staccato
I’ve shot both. They shoot the same 😂
@@trevornoggle2368 Haha that's good to hear!
I’d go Staccato at a minimum out the gate. Unless you’re a good gunsmith with premium parts and labor you’re looking at $800 - $1000 ish and in the end it’s still a Prodigy.
That's a good point. If I had the money upfront, I probably would have rather gone with a staccato
Totally agree and I have been arguing that the 2011's are not good for EDC. Glock for EDC for sure. Really I know that the staccato would have been a better experience out of the box. With that said, I did modify my staccato to my liking.
Yeah they’re fun guns for sure but they’re performance oriented. Then there’s also the drop safety concern too
@@TheKoreanMarksman not drop safe which they have proven. I will not drop mine just to find out... Lol
I work in 2011’s, run 2011’s in USPSA, and carry a 2024 CS.
I have no reservations carrying a 2011.
Staccato XC is king
Christ is king
The only way would be to sell it and buy a Staccato 😂
Haha fair enough!
😂😂😂 all in good fun, good video!!
Dude I’ve been looking at the prodigy for a while… so sexy 😩
Yeah, he lost me after the disclaimer. I haven’t shot this and that.
Just get a Bul Armory lol
I'd love to try one for sure!
Funny you say prodigy is all you know but your goal is to make it better then a staccato you’ve never shot or held 🤣😂😂😂😂
That has changed now but you're not wrong lol
Lol. What is all that shit in the background?
Yeahhhh we’ve got a new filming backdrop now lol
@TheKoreanMarksman Love your vids brother. Keep up the great work!
You will never really get a Prodigy to Staccato level.
Not without extensive frame work and possibly re fitting a new slide from scratch.
This is why people who don’t have a basic mechanical understanding shouldn’t give their opinions.
If your experience is “learning from RUclips” you have a ways to go.
Springfield cannot match the machining tolerances of staccato. Period.
Pin gauge and mic the guns once and you will see why. These aren’t features to can fix with polishing and coatings. Period.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
@@TheKoreanMarksmannot really an opinion.
The frame and its tolerances are the “heart” of any 1911/2011. Things like hammer and seat pin hole alignment are difficult dimensions to keep tight tolerances on. The cheaper the pistol the wider the tolerances.
Same applies to the rails, disco hole, and so on.
The slide and barrel are no different.
The tolerances of a staccato are simply better and the coatings are superior. Period.
And the price reflex it!
Gonna need ya doing reviews from a rooftop my guy … in honor of the rooftop koreans that showed Americans that tactics matter during civil unrest
Shiii I'm gonna need a better lawyer for that