Shogun Episode 10 SPOILER Review - Ending Explained, Breakdown - Season 2?
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Shogun Review with SPOILERS today! Beyond The Trailer host Grace Randolph's reaction & review of Shogun Hulu 2024! Episode 10! Ending explained! Easter Eggs! Episode 1, Episode 2, Episode 3, Episode 4, Episode 5, Episode 6, Episode 7, Episode 8, Episode 9 and Episode 10! Enjoy this SPOILER breakdown of Shogun in 2024 now that you've seen each full episode! And be sure to make Beyond The Trailer your first stop for movie and entertainment news here on RUclips today!
CHAPTER TIMES
Intro - 00:00
Season 2 - 1:25
Japan Future - 2:10
Blackthorne Future - 3:17
Shogun Formula - 3:47
Engineered for the West - 4:15
White Savior - 5:16
Christianity - 6:06
Seppuku - 7:07
Toranaga Control - 7:31
Blackthorne and Mariko - 9:44
The Sunken Ship - 10:44
Blackthorne New Mariko - 12:11
Toranaga and Ochiba - 13:32
Appeal of This Life - 14:52
Game of Thrones - 15:18
Opening Credit Sequence - 15:32
Big and Small Moments - 15:46
Awards Chances - 16:14
Cosmo Jarvis - 17:30
Hiroyuki Sanada - 17:42
Anna Sawai - 18:57
Tadanobu Asano - 19:50
Other Cast Standouts - 22:18
Change in America - 22:49
Blackthorne Ship as Metaphor - 23:41
Conclusion - 24:09
Interact with host & creator Grace Randolph!
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NOTE: I see that some of you are saying Blackthorne only dreamed he was back in England. Perhaps, but the episode title is a reference to what Taiko said when he died, that life is strange and feels like a dream of a dream. Besides the cross, and maybe Blackthorne simply got another cross, I see no reason to think that was a dream.
It was a nightmare of his future without Mariko or Japan. He's even dwelling on it at the moment he nearly commits seppuku as to not arrive there. It's very clearly a nightmare because he has Mariko's cross, which he actually let go into the water. He even said to Mariko he would rather be at sea than at home with his family, he was running. He wouldn't go back just to die like that and have ignorant grandchildren.
Also Toranaga isn't letting him leave Japan even if he wanted to and the real historical person he's based on doesn't leave Japan.
it is a feverish dream
in the Official Fx SHOGUN Podcast (also available on RUclips), it is explained that it was a dream of his return to England, the future he was so sure would be his fate for 99% of the series. In the final episode, you see him choose to say goodbye to that future and begin a new future in Japan.
Yes, it is a vision. The co-creator of the show said it. Blackthorn never leaves Japan. Also, this is a Mini series.
The historical character Blackthorne is based on (William Adams) never gets to return to England as Toranaga alluded to... he ends up having a family and dying there.
I honestly don't think Blackthorn was a white savior, he was prisoner turned into a pawn, even a pet in some cases, especially to Toranaga
Sorry Grace, he never returned home to England. He was holding Mariko’s cross which he no longer possessed. Remember the name of the episode, a “Dream of a Dream.”
Nothing about this story was a white saviour trope Grace..
The real John Blackthorne never got to leave Japan, but I read he was still able to send money to his English family!
Yup. He remarried to a Japanese woman and had a family with her. But he also supported his English family. It's also believed he heavily influenced Tokugawa Iyeasu to expel the Jesuits from Japan.
He did leave at one point, but he returned there and died in Japan.
he was given the option to leave and go back but he choose to stay in japan
@@mad2403 It's both.
He was able to make one trading trip back to Europe, quite early on, and then he returned to Japan. After that point, then he chose to remain permanently.
Oh grace you didn't get the show,
She never does
I thought I was the only one that spotted this, she is so wildly off that it's actually hilarious
How is he a white saviour?, He is not essential for Toranaga's plan. He does not save Mariko. He is used by Toranaga since he wrecks on episode 1 to the end of episode 10. He has virtually no agency the entire show.
Americans dont pilot their own ship, they are deluded by this illusion.
He's also based on a real guy named William Adams who was similarly ingratiated to Shogun Ieyasu Tokugawa and provided training in the use of his ship's cannon to Tokugawa's forces.
You do not need a season 2!! This what the American entertainment industry always does... They take something decent and run it into the ground.
James Clavell wrote a lot of books, all taking place in Asia. You could take the principles that made Shogun great and apply those to adapting another book.
PREACH!
Yea... Grace trying to milk blood from a cow... The beauty of this show is that the story was told without filler and with complete conclusion within 10 episodes.
Well said
indeed
Literally.
The comment I was looking for.
Maybe it’s too early to say this, but this is one of the greatest shows ever made. Fucking masterpiece.
Like watching a living piece of art
There have been enough shows made over the past decades to call it: you are right!
Stop saying masterpiece for any freaking thing.
It was pretty average
@@piusdoe8984 🤣 👍
Spoiler Alert:
John Blackthorne (if the 2024 show follows the book and 80s show and real life) never leaves Japan. What we saw with old John was most likely a dream sequence.
Also, Mariko's cross is in his hands, which can't be possible because he dropped it in the sea.
I thought the cross that he was holding was much more ornate than Mariko's.
Damn, good point I didn't even catch that 🤯
Unfortunately Grace isn't familiar with the source material and to my disappointment didn't really understand the show fully.
I was kind of expecting that cross to turn up again when they dragged the ship ashore, tangled in the rigging perhaps, as some kind of omen.
Idk about Blackthorne being a white saviour at all. In the end, Toranaga didnt use his fleet or cannons because there was no fighting. He provided some information but nothing pivotal that he wouldnt have found out from Muraji or Mariko or any of his spies. As Toranaga says, his banner would've survived without the Anjin.
What Blackthorne DID allow for tho was the fact that Toranaga could work with some level of impunity considering most of the time his enemies (well, at least the council of regents) was distracted by the barbarian. So while he wasnt pivotal, he was helpful in a sense
The flash forward of Blackthorne wasn't real, it was a future he feared would come without Mairko. He's even acting like he's seeing it as we are, that's why he was so ready to commit seppuku.
It becomes an impossible future when he parts with Mairko's cross on the boat.
a flower is only a flower because it falls - that's why they seem to love dying.
I don’t think Blackthorne was a white saviour which is what made the show so refreshing! He was our way in to seeing the Japanese culture but he did little to actually actively impact the story. He was a pawn throughout and his journey of recognising the beauty of the new culture he found himself in echoed our own journey from it being a brutal first episode to being able to appreciate the beauty of the final episode.
WHY ARE SO MANY PEOPLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WHITE SAVIOR TROPE THERE ARE TONS OF BLACK SAVIORS ETC NOW
Grace you fail to recognize that one of the main reasons why Shogun did well was because it was based on a well known book. There was also the miniseries from 1980. It's a well known title. Pachinko is not. And Blue Eyed Samurai was animated. BES was great, but animated series just don't attract the same gravitas as something like Shogun.
Him simply having skills that the Japanese do not and having to teach them does not make him a white savior necessarily. There are reasons that he has these skills, and the Japanese do not. It would be a white savior Trope. In the show Blackthorne is portrayed and an unambiguous fool, and the fact that he has certain skills that the Japanese do not simply due to his background. In addition, the show spends a great deal of time having Blackthorne learn about the Japanese people and culture. Its not like he simply goes into a foreign land and knows everything about it and how to do everything better than the people already living there.
Have to say I’m so happy Hiroyuki Sanada finally got his real lead role in a American production.
He was absolutely regal in this role. Outstanding actor
Blackthorne a white saviour? We must have watched a different show. Lol
thinking toranaga insidious is absolutely the correct way of thinking. he (and his real-life counterpart) is a great man who would go on to do great things. a charming man. but a manipulative one as well. just like many great men in our history, there are aspects of them that we have to come to term with because "great" is not "good".
I’m a fan of yours but you missed the plot point in Ep 10. Sorry, Grace.
I feel like she missed the plot point after the seppuku at the end of episode 8... She just couldnt move past that or accept that cultural difference. Which leads us to missing the plot in episode 10 as you so nicely put it 👍🏽
Blue Eye Samurai is so good. But man Shogun was such an exceptional show. This finale was so poignant. The Crimson Sky reveal was shocking. I really liked Fuji's last line to Blackthorne "Let your hand be the last to hold her" its the same line Mariko said to her at the beginning of the show when they wanted to kill her baby. Again, so damn poignant.
Its funny to see this show reviewed trough an american.. Why use the word white savior in your review. Everytime u have a white character, u can use that prahes... And i find it unnuanced and offensive. The hole white savior thing and religion is actually addressed in the last episod.John Blackthorne says "before she died, i spoke before god, not my god not your god... just god" .Blackthorne also adresses the white savior thing, when he said, i came to use u... But he didn't... He got used as a pawn ... Not much white savior in that... I like Shogun because for me it was a way to understand another culture, that offers a lot good and bad like all other cultures...
She doesn't represent all Americans. So the first sentence confuses me. I agree with everything else
Positive view of Christianity? The show highlights the ruthless factionalism in the faith and their perpetual fighting, how both sides aim to use faith to gain control/resources in new lands, and the general scummy behavior of its adherents. I think it has a balanced take on Christianity.
Grace I’m sorry but the simplest answer is the correct answer and if the vision at the start of the show shows him prominently holding a cross (simultaneously with the present) and then at the end of the episode he lets the cross go, that’s showing that the vision was a hallucination, not a flash forward, to the audience. Making it complicated (by having a dissonance like that) is just bad storytelling which this show has (imo) never done.
Grace .. you should listen to the FX PODCAST for Episode 10 to get a better understanding of the episode … actually you should listen to each show podcast featuring the writers and actors who took part in the episode… the show was an absolute delight and deserves all the accolades going 😊
I absolutely love this series. The writing was amazing. The acting was superb
Blackthorne does not die in England. It wasn’t a flash forward it was a dream. Thus, the title of the episode. It was more of a nightmare vision of where his life could go if he doesn’t make some course corrections; which he does when he attempts to sacrifice his life to save the village.
Absolutely correct! I'm surprised more people didn't understand this.
I just don’t see another being as good as shogun this year. From start to finish, what a show!
Shogun is a piece of art. Let the season stand alone and not worry about business and or the need for sequels. Let’s rest with the poetry of art.
Japan did over 200 years of peace before Commodore Perry awakened the sleeping giant.
There are so many other books written by James Clavell that they don't need to have a "season 2" of Shogun. Just adapt one of his other books. King Rat (1962), Tai-Pan (1966), Noble House (1981), Whirlwind (1986), or Gai-Jin (1993).
Well said
Tai Pan is a truly excellent book. On par with or even better than Shogun
This mini series EXCEEDED my expectations.
Came here to hear what the white blonde woman has to say about feudal Japan and how this show doesn’t have LGBTQ+ representation
There won’t be a season 2 Grace because it ended perfectly. There is no reason to extend the story beyond what they accomplished in this season. Sooooo, no season 2 in the works…sorry 🙂↕️
well the ending does leave the option for a season 2. But i am really not sure how i would feel about that.
If there is a season 2 I won’t watch it
James Clavell has a whole series of books set it Asia that could be adapted in this style.
Well I’m glad you watched the show because it’s a excellent watch. But another attempt to propagate a “white saviour” trope is so misleading. Especially when Blackthorne’s real life counterpart is frankly much more impressive than he is on show.
The man was a navy veteran who campaigned against the Spanish and fought in battles in Japan he was a astronomer, Ship builder and Navigator. He built and developed western style ships for Tokugawa Leyasu (Torunaga in show)
And was a major part of the Shoguns advisory and helped industrialise Japan
Why make a fuss over historically accurate individuals and what they actually did
I find it especially funny since he was just a pawn piece for Toranaga. He didn't quickly learn how to use a sword and fight in battles or really get a "happy ending". I don't know where she is pulling the white savior crap from on this one.
if she thinks Blackthorne was a white savior , did she really watch the show? geez
I really do hope that more people will check the show out now that the entire season is available to binge. Because I think it proves that in the Age of Streaming peak television is still possible.
I cannot wait to watch it. But right now I am rewatching the X-Men animated show and I’m finishing a book before I reread Shogun AND THEN I’ll finally binge it but I can’t wait!
I think that one of the main points which the show tries to convey is that Death has meanings just as life does. John Blackthorn’s character basically creates the contrast point of view representing the renaissance idea about humanity during that time in Europe. However, he eventually understood that Bushido culture, not only because of Mariko but also the consequences of his own way of life. In one episode, he met his crew member again in Edo, and the crew member confronted him that Blackthron’s own ambition of finding the location of Japan destroyed everyone’s life on the ship, so in the end Blackthron’s individualim led to the sacrifice of the others as well. John understood the meaning of death through attempting to commit Sepukku to save the villagers.
Also the beginning of episode 10 is a dream sequence. That crucifix is like the spinning top in Nolan’s Inception - tells the audience that it is not the reality. It also signifies that John’s understanding of life is like a dream in a dream, so death is like final awakening to a certain extend and has meaning
I read those scenes a little differently. I don't think John was seeking ambition. That was just his crew being salty considering it looked as if he was raising in the ranks, John just wanted to be free and when he was at sea he was. I do think he started to respect the culture and see the dirty side of his own. I also think him understanding death was a mixed bag. I don't think he accepts it as the japanese given his f* it comments being a bit more in line with he has nothing to lose at this point.
The closest thing that we're going to get to a sequel is to adapt James clavells other novels Tai-pan and Gai-jin (based on China's history) where blackthorns descendants and shipwreck is briefly mentioned.
Does everything need to have multiple seasons or can we ever just let a work exist as its own contained thing?
I disagree with the idea of Blackthorn being a "white savior". Blackthorn was tossed around and manipulated by the masterful planning of others, he served their aims, not the other way around. He was trying to help people, for sure, but he wasn't their savior; the Japanese characters didn't bow down to his ideas and proclaim him their master, which makes all the difference.
Mariko is Catholic...Protestantism and Catholic did not see eye to eye. England and Spain were at war because of it . Yeah you should read the book.
Yashibe had the most personality and understandable motivations, which is why he was my favorite character…up until he let those assassins in. Self-preservation is one thing, but that was just stupid of him, there's no way he actually believed Mariko was just gonna be kidnapped, or that he would even get away with it.
Hey Grace one mistake you made in the review was that you said Blackthorn makes it back to England when this actually isn’t the case. The beginning of the episode is actually a dream sequence in blackthorns mind, hence the title of this episode. Later on in this episode you even see the proof that he doesn’t leave Japan. I do think the way the show portrayed it was confusing.
I believe the title of the episode is in reference to what Taiko said on his deathbed, that life is a strange journey and feels like a dream of a dream.
@@BeyondTheTrailer I agree that also ties in with the title. But I do still think the beginning of the episode being a dream plays a small part of the title of the episode.
I agree, it is a dream as confirmed by dropping the crucifix in the sea so he will not have it late in life.
@@BeyondTheTrailerlisten to the podcast Fox produces. The creators confirm it was younger John blackthorn dreaming of his future, John lives and dies in Japan
@@firedaeronyes grandfather Blackthorne scene is a flash forward that never actually occurs. He drops Mariko's cross in the ocean so it would be impossible for him to possess it on his deathbed.
Isn't Shogun going into limited so it won't go against last of us
Ah yes, excellent point!
It's going into limited because it is a limited series
This show is Game of Thrones quality, and I say better in many ways
It's nothing like game of thrones. No big battles like game of thrones
@@joebond545 I am referring to the writing, the attention to detail, and the overall epic nature of the series. Excellent.
@@joebond545 well there are political battles
@@joebond545 GoT, at its core is a political drama. The dragons, the sex/r@pe scenes, the violence, was all to keep ADHD nerds’ attention. This was a masterful series that executed a political drama expertly
@@joebond545 it is like GOT season 1. They had that whole battle with Tyrion happening offscreen when he got knocked out lol.
I think a big part of this show was accepting that every individual has their own way of getting through life, whether you agree with it or not.
One of the best shows in streaming
I just don't think they can. Mariko is the heart of the story. There kind of isn't a story without her presence. And this episode follows from her sacrifice. Its a perfect story told and done.
Grace a great many people don't want to navigate their own life and just want everything to be an order.
Ochiba changed sides to protect her son. She told ishodo keeping her son alive was her only goal. She could always take care of Toranaga later in her mind.
It had more to do with Mariko's death
A flower is only a flower because it falls. It recaps all of it, thesheer beauty of the show, its poetic side and the harsh truth about life it tells. It's been compared to GOT very often, I believe that if you go that direction than Shogun would be a GOT prequel about Tywin Lannister's rise, the show that everyone would like to see. The title of Shogun being the Iron throne, it's obvious. I think that Toranaga's line about the Anjin being a source of laughters for him defeats the argument of the white saviour story. Blackthorne's a pion like the others and his role in Toranaga's plan is to be a distraction, a focal point for his ennemies so he can move in the blur. Crimson sky didn't need him to be succesful. In a way, we, the audience, are like all the others: we were so focused on Blackthorne's importance that we didn't see what game was really played. It was a strong and great show, I really loved it and I wouldn't want a second season for the world. Just like Wandavision, it needs to be a very special moment of TV, a cherished memory. Like for Wandavision, we must mourn but what is grief if not love persevering ? Shogun was a masterpiece and it's now over. After all, a flower is only a flower because it falls.
Blackthorne was dreaming, it wasnt real. You want to know how? In the dreams hes holding the christian necklace from Mariko, that he threw into the sea. It was also _pretty clear_ that he was dreaming as those sequences always occurred during moments of him kinda blacking out.
Blackthorn was at no point a white savior in this show but a pawn Torenaga used in his schemes. A fly on a wall is a much more apt description. The true battle in the show was between Toranaga and Yabushige, two cunning warlords who were at all times playing the game of their life’s.
The episode was called “Dream Of A Dream” John never leaves Japan, the “flashes forward” of him with grandchildren was a symptom of the concussion he just received lol.
I vaguely remember the original series, with Richard Chamberlain, when it first aired. They definitely played up the romance & white savior motif, while downplaying the politics. The remake did a much better job of spotlighting Japanese culture, & also showing divisions between the Protestant & Catholic factions
Let’s not forget that Ochiba is Toronaga’s daughter in law’s sister 👀
I think you've mistaken Blackthornes dream for real life. As the main indicator for being not real is him still having Marikos cross when we know he let it go in the lake. As well the kids referred the Japanese as savages which Blackthorne would never retell the story to them in that way. Also the title of the episode.
But the title of the episode is what Taiko said when he died - and that was real. You think the entire show was a dream?
@@BeyondTheTrailer no i don't think the entire show is a dream just that flash forward with Blackthorne. I read some discussions and he's based of a real character which he ended up passing in japan as well in the book. But I'm almost confident that part is a dream BC of the cross.
@@BeyondTheTrailerthe only thing that was a dream was John black thorn dreaming of his future. Watch fox’s podcast. The creators confirm this. John lives and dies in Japan
@@BeyondTheTrailer if you listen to the FX Shogun podcast it explains that John Blackthorne was having a dream
Only by knowing when to fall
Do flowers become flowers
And people become people. Dear Grace, I would like to have heard something from you about the poetry in Samurai society. Yes Mariko is just a piece on the board for Torunaga but I think he truly respected her as well. Did you know that the Samurai clans (the men and the women) had poetry parties where you had to come up with the kinds of spontaneous lines that Mariko produces. If you were crap at that you were considered a somewhat crap Samurai. Last week a regional governor in Japan quoted the real life Mariko's death poem in his reignation speech and, I'm happy to say, drew the condemnation and indignation of thousands of Japanese. I can't see any US politician quoting Emily Dickinson or Stevie Smith. Maybe one day. I guess I'm alluding to that poetic regard for fate and our short time on earth...the Wuwei of life.
This show is historical fiction about the rise of the Towlagawa Shogunate. They untied Japan and the seat of political power rested in the Shogun and the Emperor as a figure head. They closed of Japan after the as well. This lasted for 300 years. Until Comofore Perry and thr “Black Ships” forced the ports open and gave rise to the civil unrest in Japan. In the 1860’s Different Clans struggled to untie but ultimate fought to unseat the Shogun place the Emperor back as Ruler. This is the Meji Restoration. And the Meji sought modernize their country and military. And The Meji lasted until Japan Surrendered at the end of WW2.
No season 2. Not everything needs a sequel. More isn’t always better.
It is from a book(James Clavell's Shogun) . It has nothing to do with modern society. Were u once a human being that was not severely handicapped mentally?
The opening credits scene is AMAZING. The music is so perfect.
love how your shirt is matching the poster🤌🤌🤌 great fashion sense as always grace
The book is based on real events. Toranaga was in fact Tokugawa and his familly reigned until 2nd half of 1800. More than 200 years of peace. Blackthorne was a real person, different name I think, he never made it back to England. There is even a Street in Tokyo that has his name. There is no point on a s2, but they could do the next book by James Clavell, not as good tho
Ive waited until all the episodes were up. Now looking soooo forward to watching this show
I loved watching this detailed review of Shogun . I had to get back to watching it after I learned you binged it all . I really enjoyed the show and cast . I think a couple moments I recall that started with me was nobunagas unfortunate death by slipping on a rock . Then Fuji going against tradition and letting go of her deceased family to the sea .
Grace I love watching you and your insights and knowledge are absolutely fantastic
I would argue Blackthorne subverts the white savior trope pretty well. Half the time he’s a nuisance and fairly incompetent compared to any one else. We can’t call every white character who happens to be there and have a few good ideas a white savior, that’s totally unfair.
I was waiting your review since I started watching the show. I was afraid you wouldn’t review it. Thank you Grace.
Soooooo, now I’m gonna watch your review 😂
Blue Eye Samurai is around 100 years after Shogun.
Shogun is magic
A bit off topic, but pls more poll parties introduced not just in next streams, but in general i think at least 5 poli-poll-polls in every stream would be AMAZING! I missed last stream due to personal reasons. im 1000% sure ppl ADORE participating in polls + we get to know each others preferences of our BTT family, which is really really special imho
Yabushigue and Toranaga are men driven by the desire to survive. Reason we see how they bonded in the end. Both harbor deep, secret ambitions: Yabushigue seeks to align himself with the victor, frequently switching allegiances between Toranaga and Ishido to secure his position among the regents. Toranaga, on the other hand, aspires to become Shogun, a goal heavily influenced by the encouragement of his friends and family who are prepared to make sacrifices for his success, emphasizing the importance of loyalty. Yabu initially doubts Toranaga's ability to defeat Ishido, but ultimately, Toranaga prevails. As a strategist, Toranaga recognizes the futility of the "crimson sky," predicting significant losses, including the betrayal by his brother. In the first episode, the Fuji husband is upset and poised to defend Toranaga against Ishido's accusations, his eldest son consistently acts impulsively to protect him, and the grandfather advises other Samurai to remain loyal to Toranaga, knowing well that a ruse is necessary. The tension in these scenes is palpable and upsettinh to watch. Markio, driven by a desire for death to honor her family and her father's legacy, held a special place in Toranaga. He viewed her like a daughter and respected her wishes deeply. Toranaga knows it's going to be lonely, having Blackthorn to keep him entertained (he always found him amusing) during his many losses ... Shows.... a reason why they need each other! Blackthorns doesnt want to go back to UK, he secretly wants to stay
Um… Shogun is probably competing in the Limited Series category and the any show that is going to compete at this years Emmys has to have had half of their season released by May 31
Maybe I misinterpret the story but I felt Ochiba hated Toranaga, but once Mariko was killed by Ishido, she switched sides.
Amazing show. It's been a while since we get such a great writing and pacing plot. This show isn't all about actions, but words and acting. Holy shit
Christianity (reformation, renaissance and the enlightenment ) did grant us this modern world, which was nice.
"Why tell a dead man the future?" Is a callback to episode 1, when Yabu says this to Omi about informing Toranaga about the Erasmus. It was a revelation that Omi was a mole.
It was such a faithful (and good) adaptation of one my favourite books, that I'd like to see this team move on to a Lonesome Dove reboot. How that hasn't happened yet is crazy, but I also understand topping that original mini-series and finding someone to replace that cast would be crazy hard. Yet they managed it here, so who knows.
Grace, Blackthorne did NOT die in Europe. This was just a dream, and a dream he dreaded to come true. So he did everything that it would NOT come true, tried to commit seppuku, get rid of Mariko's cross, etc. Neither in the book nor in the miniseries of 1980 did Blackthorne return to Europe. And the man who Blackbourne was based on never returned to England and died 20 years later in Japan.
Life is a game of chess and Toranaga was a chess master!
I thought Toranaga was the father of the heir. Over a thousand women could not give him an heir, then all of sudden? In the flashback scene of his death, the Shogun comment that his son looked just like his mother. Then they had a few people in the crowd raise their eyebrows. 😆We needed a DNA test! Loved the show. Also loved Toranaga's older wife...super funny!
That’s him dreaming about being back home in the show. This is demonstrated by having the necklace in his dream and tossing it to the water in reality.
Im so happy you made this video Grace-Sama!
This show needs support. It shows we can have a Game of Thrones like show without dragons and still be good.
Fingers crossed no Season 2. It was such a great contained story. I just don’t know how they top this without undoing some of their work here.
Writing a sequel to Shogun is a huge task, writing a sequel to a well loved classic book is beyond incredibly hard. You'd really have to have a lot of guts if you were the show runners/writers.
The obvious choice would be to do Clavell's next book, but I'm not sure a series based in Hong Kong would get greenlit.
The Christianity part is a bit amusing, since the person Toranaga is based on after gaining power threw out the missionaries and persecuted the Christian Japanese, virtually extinguishing the religion for a couple hundred of years
One detail I really like about the show is when yabushige finds the gardeners home after he died. It makes being executed for touching the bird seem like a better option then what yabushige would have done.
Just read up on this. I didn’t realise it was just an update of the Chamberlain original. Which was based on the true story of Will Adams.
You should all watch the original Shogun show from the 80s. It’s also fantastic
I guess you misunderstood Toranaga's sons death. Toranaga did not sacrifice his son. His son rebeled against Toranaga's surrender and died slipping on a rock while attacking his enemies. Toronaga was thankful that his son's funeral bought him some time but he had no hand in orchestrating it as I understand it.
It was so good
Cosmo Jarvis was in a very good film called "Calm With Horses" with Barry Keoghan from a few years ago. He played an enforcer for a small time mob family in Ireland.
Blackthorn was not a European savior, he was prisoner turned into a pawn, even a pet in some cases, especially to Toranaga.
I think Ochiba and Toranaga had a history together, but they separated on bad terms. Perhaps Ochiba had some grudge, which made her slightly lean against him, and reluctantly side with Ishido. Upon Mariko's death, Ochiba changes. I'm sure she must've been thinking, "If I never sided with Ishido, it didn't have to come to this."
Or maybe Ochiba wanted to be reunited with Mariko the whole time, but it was Toranaga that stopped that from happening, and that's why she sided against him.
Grace, the Tokugawa Shogunate (which Toranaga is based on) ushered in an era of nearly 300 years of peace in Japan.
I thought it was a limited series so I was not expect a season 2 but I actually liked the story that was told
Edo period shogun series would be interesting. 200+ years of intrigue, political power plays, and smaller conflicts. Or you could go prequel during the sengoku period following the previous 2 great unifiers. Either, it would be more western produced Time period J-Dramas.
I will say the "white savior" aspect are just a fact of history, as William Adams (blackthorne) was a valuable asset to Lord Tokugawa (toranaga), and made a Samurai in his service, being an exchange and not Mighty Whitey saving the native or being better at a culture than the natives in a why that elevates him above them to show his innate superior existence.
Also, they changed aspects for the novel and tv productions, but Adams actually died in Japan at 55.