Hi man I have been trying to get the exact same Herman Miller Embody chair as yours, do you happen to know the colour code for the light grey though? The dealer is giving me so many colour options and it is so hard to see which one it is! Massive thank you.
So nice to find an honest, practical review from someone that doesn't have a financial incentive leaning one way or another. Question for you though - where'd you shop for used at? I see a couple websites but can't tell if they're scams or what
Thank you for explaining how the chairs feel when sitting cross legged as well, that is how I naturally sit half the time and most reviewers don't take that into consideration. Awesome review.
Great video review! Covered way more than most reviewers who seem to focus on how the features work, instead of actual user needs/uses. How I chose my Steelcase Leap was by sitting in it! I found one at a business liquidator for $175 and could not be happier. Oh, and I think its awesome that you included cross-legged sitting, even though it appears that it isn't something you do (I don't and hadn't even considered it, but I know a lot of people do). Thanks!
I can listen to your voice all day and maybe at night to fall asleep... it is so soothing ... sorry i know this comment is weird. Great video and you had me look at a better chair for my back
"...what desk are you using?" The workhorse5000; it has zero employer loyalty, pays $3/day and it stabs me in the knees if I even think of taking a toilet break. Even the North Koreans have banned it due to it's inhuman cruelty, but you can thank the Lord that it's still being proudly manufactured by Trump Industries and is available in the USA. God bless America!
Great review! I too use a HM Aeron at my office, it's a great chair if you sit properly in it. Also use a Leap V2 at home. As for crossing your legs and other "incorrect" ways of sitting, we all do it, so it's great you've covered that in your review. Another thing to note, I've reached out to the Steelcase Design Studio in Dallas concerning warranty coverage and parts. Even though their warranty is "non-transferable" the service centers may still work with you on service/parts if there's factory defects; so it's really up to the agent supporting you. That made me quite satisfied with my used purchase of my Leap V2.
+Steve Woods Thanks man! I tried to make the review/comparison as 'real world' as possible. Good to know about the Steelcase warranty! Sounds like Steelcase has better 'second hand' support than HM. Luckily, I haven't had a problem with either chair.
Picking an expensive chair is a pain in the butt since they all seem to be so hit and miss as well as extremely prone to subjectivity, I went through two of them now and looking for a third. Your review helps a lot. Cheers! (I also have the same pc case, only black)
For a second opinion, I had the leap v2 for 1 month. Arm adjustement are amazing but it is very loose and will move if you elbow rest on them. I returned it cause I could feel the back lumbar support bar, it hurt my back after long sitting no matter the setting. I finally switched for the embody, back support is right on perfect, but I wish it had the same arm as the leap v2 did, the arms dont go back as far as I wish they did, they would need to be longer towards the back and I hate the way they tilt from side to side. I dont mind the cushion on the embody, but it is more firm and it will take some time to adjust to, I would say the leap's cushion is superior. Leap feels cheap for its materials/construction, embody feels very premium and is eye catching, it gives my office a omg feeling. I preferred how the leap would have its back lean, the arm would stay still, embody's arm follows the chair and will lift your desk if you are up close with the arms underneath. Rocking with the embody while watching a video is better tough, but make sure you back off from your desk for full stretching. Overall I would say the leap v2 is a better chair, but I prefer the back support of the Embody. As someone else said, there is no clear winner as of now in premium chairs
I believe you can remove the lumbar support on the leap v2, did you try that before returning it? Many say the lumbar support is pretty good even without the bar, and more comfortable.
Hey folks ,heads up, with the embody arm rests move with back when leaning back ,this means you can't stay under desk because arm rests will get caught under desk or and move away from desk . With the V2 when leaning back the arm rest will stay under desk or where it was positioned ,so you'll be able to type or use mouse.
Thanks for good and honest review. Owner of Leap here. Did not like the stiffness of Aeron when I tried it at the store. I also needed highly adjustable arms, which Aeron did not provide. So Leap, refurb.
I had the option to use an Aeron at work once. I ended up using a standard $50 staples chair. It really is one of those chairs that you either love or hate. In searching for a good office chair and considering the Aeron again, I found many reviewers are saying the same thing that people either like the Aeron or absolutely hate it. I hated it, so if you are considering buying new, I would advise to sit on one first before considering it.
It depends on how much you want to spend. Used leap 2 that looks decent is about $400, Embody will cost you $750ish. Its all up to your budget. Lately, Amazon does have few Chinese made chairs that are really good too.
I have both chairs. In the long run Embody seems to be better because you have better control on front part of the seat. You can lift very front edge of the chair like you do in the car for example. In Gesture/Leap bottom part in always flat.
Hey I just wanted to say that this video helped me choose a chair. I was stuck between these two brands and got the Embody Logitech edition while it was on sale. Thank you for solidifying my decision. Greatly appreciated.
Based on this review I ordered the Leap 2 chair in a custom colour. They shipped pronto to my remote area and unpacking was a joy. Now to my review. I am a large man over 6 feet nd 300lbs. The seat may be thin but firmly cushioned and very comfortable. The back (no headrest) is marvellously supportive and the adjustable lumbar is nicely adjustable. I have suffered for year with sciatica pain so this was an investment piece for me for long term ownership. The floppy armrest pads are brilliant and all adjustability feature work as described in your video. Even the carpet rollers make a difference on my recycled bumpy floor mat other chairs got caught up on constantly. My fav options is the sliding seat cushion that supports my longer legs & thighs amazingly well with zero fatigue after hours of sitting. But there is one catch. The cradle metal U-shaped base that attaches everything for adjustability is fixed and the two circular pivot "joints" do not widen. They dig into my hip area terribly and the chair is not offered in wider widths. In fact with the exception of maybe the Cobi model, all Steelcase chairs are based on the same physical design. At $1700 (with the exchange rate in Canada) I am sorely disappointed that larger widths are not offered considering the price of this well designed chair. A model that is armless would have solved this issue or widen the pivot points by 3" or so to prevent the hip digging. I would think that anyone my size should condor the Herman Miller Aero for it's bottom seat cradle design or the armless version as a better bigger person choice. Finding comfortable seating for large body types usually means massive chairs, overly padded and less supportive as similar prices. I hope Steelcase is listening for future designs because they nailed 90% of my wish list.
Good review man, I've been deciding between a few chairs including the Neue which I thought I was sold on until someone mentioned the Steelcase Leap. This video was really informative and touched on all the areas that similar reviews don't. You seemed objective and level headed, real good job!
I picked up a used Leap early this for $120. It was essentially brand new. I don't think the previous owner ever sat in it. For the price I got it for, it's unbeatable. I can sit in it for hours and get up w/o any back pain.
I am 6'4" 220lbs...I've used the Leap, Aeron and Gesture...and spent considerable time in the Embody. I wish the Leap had a forward tilting seat pan...but regardless found it to be the best fit, most supportive and comfortable. The Aeron triggered sciatic issues I never previously had '...got rid of it and thankfully issue went away. The Gesture was nice but I preferred the Leap as the lumbar support for me was better. The Embody is nice too, but it promotes more of a "lean back" posture...I.e. your hip angle is greater than 90 degrees (not ideal for me when typing at desk). You can crank up the seat back in an effort to correct this but the upper corners of seat back curl forward slightly and given my height push my shoulders forward slightly (rounded shoulders) and I find this bothersome and uncomfortable. So...for my personal chair...so far I prefer the Leap.
Questtt3 What kind of material the seat pan of the Leap is made of? I've had coccydynia issues recently and am looking for a seat pan that doesn't bottom out and put pressure on my tailbone
Because you're so tall.. it's cutting into yoru shoulders. I'm 5' 11 and I didn't have any issues, but I could see where it was. I'm going back and forth between the two also and they let me test the chair now to take it home.
This was so helpful! I just spent $$$ on an Aeron and I hate it so far... the lip is so uncomfortable and being an accountant I don't find many times where I need to/can recline backwards lol, Thank you for posting this!
@@staypositive4358you need the try both to see which you prefer. If you are looking used, gesture cost about double the price of leap; however that doesn't mean gesture is definitely better. Gesture has even better arm in terms of adjustability, but Leap v2 's arm is already great. The reason I chose leap v2 is because I feel it gave better lumbar support than the gesture and overall more comfortable for me. But try both to form your opinion. Also I. This video, he didn't mention how noisy the embody chair is, so if it's an office environment, it may be a concern, beyond the unique appearance.
@@TradesByBrandon yeah i know what you mean i had aeron and for me it caused lower back pain for me and those hard edges are so annoying. It's bad design flaw. I now use corsair t3 much cheaper and better than those expensive chairs in my opinion. The recline feature is so great to have.
I just started looking at new office chairs for my home office. Had no idea how expensive they could get. I’ve been using a $60 Staples chair for about 8 years
How are you liking the Leap? I'm specifically looking at this chair because my current chair is very stiff and my legs are hurting a lot due to the hard frame around the seat. Thanks!
@@staypositive4358 It's great. I sit in it 10 hours a day and honestly I don't even think much about my seating surface anymore since it's so naturally fitting and comfortable.
Perfect description I was looking for. I just stating using the Embody at work an love it, but the arms in my opinion are stupid on it.Plus sitting cross legged is one of my favorite things to do at home when playing some games.
I bought a secondhand leap v2 for £299 a couple of weeks ago. I think that's about $375 right now? Arms are fantastic and sitting in various positions is very comfortable. Silent as well - cannot stand squeaky, creaky construction. Very content with it. I find the lumbar support most comfortable at its maximum setting though and I think the adjustments can be a little stiff. This may be due to it being secondhand though? It doesn't feel broken, just like the adjustment haptics are quite digital and not very analog. I have sat in Herman miller aerons at work and whilst I think they are good work chairs, the way they make you adopt a certain seating posture means I think that they're better work chairs than home and leisure chairs. So Herman miller for the office, steel case for home.
I'm Canadian, so £299 is a small fortune in our currency. As for the adjustments feeling stiff, this must be a secondhand thing...one of my adjustments feels loose, but i'm not concerned about it being that it works fine.
Thanks for the link to this video! I would really like to try the Embody. Unfortunately, it is quite a drive to the nearest retailer. I'm going to have to make the trip though, as I couldn't imagine making such an investment without trying the product first. Your video was really helpful, and gives me some food for thought.
I saw another one of your reviews before this one and I came back to watch this hours later specifically hoping you'd address sitting cross-legged. Excellent review.
Thanks for the great review. I was just able to get an awesome deal on craigslist for a leap for just75$. I was interested in the herman miller ofcourse but the opportunity came and i just couldn't turn it down.
Man awesome video EXACTLY what I was looking for... What sucks is I'm going to have to take the public transit about an hour one way to check all 3 of these chairs out. But I guess it'll be a worthwhile long term investment.
1/12/18, I'm looking to replace my old $150.00 chair from STAPLES. My jaw dropped seaching amzn/ebay to find the Steelcase Gesture @ ~ $1,200.00--$1,600. I'm in S. Jersey & the closest retailer is in Flemington. For that kind of money I'd need to see it in real time. Not many reviews available as probably not many people buy this product. We'll see. Sold by backstore.com & store.steelcase.com. I didn't know the Gesture chair is available in leather, more durable than cloth----& $450.00 more! OOFAH!
Tried the Aeron the other day at a store. Really didn't like the seat, there's a hard lip right at the edge that puts extra pressure on your legs. The leap had the opposite, it flexes at the edge of the seat to relieve pressure. Back supposed seemed nicer to me on the leap also, ended up buying that.
If your legs are touching the hard frame ANYWHERE, then you are using the Aeron wrong. It must be set up first for the ergonomic sitting position (search for it on YT), and then you should test it. As I have experienced, the haters of this chair are either not using it with the right settings or are using the wrong size. Also, obvoiusly you can't just hop into an ergonomic chair from some shitty gamer bucket-type or a cheap office store chair and expect your body to get used to it in some minutes. Your body has to re-learn to sit well,and your stabilizing mucles have to develop again to hold a right posture - and this is a painful process just like starting to train in a gym after years without sports. And it is time. Soft-plushy seats are somewhat tricky, they are comfortable for the first minutes, so you are convinced and make the purchase, but later you can also be in pain or damage your body in the long run - so be aware :)
@@jensendenton You talk like it is people's fault if they find Aeron uncomfortable aka shitty chair despite it being an "ergonomic" chair. If he was comparing the Aeron's size with some other chair's size or something where we can all agree that he's wrong(size, weight, which one is larger or wider...), otherwise you're just calling someone "hater" just because he didn't find a chair comfortable? You're the hater here!
@@alfaralph7710 you obviously misunderstood everything here. I said that these chairs *demand* the proper sizing, settings and break-in period. It is not about a size you like looking at or guessing it will fit you in the long run, or about some settings you make in 2 minutes in a store. You shouldn't expect it to be the same as after doing the proper setup - you even need the perfect desk for it to work. You must choose them to fit perfectly, and you need at least a week to get used to it. These chairs are meant to be a professional asset - not some sitting thing where you eat your meal. I said that the "haters" are those who want this chair to be the same as some random chair from a home depot - but it is definitely not. The commenter said that the hard "lip" had a pressure on the leg - this is obiously a hint that he set it up incorrectly (too high setting of the seat) or chose the wrong size to sit in (Aeron has 3 sizes, with different lip width and angle!). Oh, and the term "hater" is bad only for you because of your interpretation, not because what I said. You and others have the right to not like (aka "hate") anything, don't fabricate some ideology here please for trolling around. Check some reviewers here on YT - those who can make well established statements after testing chairs, like @Ahnestly.
@@jensendenton I didn't misunderstand. I'm just pointing you where your "reasonable" comment went wrong. I agree with the beginning of the comment that many people use the chair in the wrong way or the wrong size; but what made me reply to you is when you added this " the haters of this chair are either not using it with the right settings or are using the wrong size." That's very disrespectful to the first comment and on anyone who couldn't adapt to the chair as if they're hating on the chair for no good reason. Chill out man, we're all different and nobody should be called a "hater" of some chair just because the chair doesn't fit them!
I have been trying the HermanMiller Logitech Embody for 3 weeks, and it has been an instrument of torture for me. While the suspension principle of the sitting area looks convincing (a thin cushion supported by many small plates each of which has a spring at its back, allowing the sitting area to shape itself around your prolongued back), for me the thin cushion was just too thin, making me feel the hard support plates bearing it. After one and a half week, I couldn't sit in this chair for even half an hour without severe pain. I am not fat, rather muscular and doing various kinds of sports. Thanks to HermanMiller's return policy, I could return the chair and will now go for a chair with a more traditional seat cushion.
@@sittkukk8278I am sitting quite comfortably on a fully featured Haworth Leaf including lumbar support. I also switch between a standing and a sitting work position (I have a desk with an electric drive I can change the height of). I found this to be very beneficial for my lower back. If you do a lot of desk work I recommending getting such a desk too if you do not already have one. My son, who is very tall and heavy (6'5, 270 pounds) sits very well on his Steelcase Leap v2 (the bigger version; cost a fortune but is worth every cent).
3:40 As lazy as I sound, not being able to semi-freely bounce back and forth with not much effort is kind of a deal breaker for me. Glad to hear you agree!
So bummed to hear that the Leap doesn't rock back as easily as the Aeron. After knowing what that's like, I can't see myself buying a chair without it. At the same time, I'd like to sit crosslegged when working from home. So hard to choose...
I just got the Autonomous Ergochair v2, and the lack of "rocking" ability on it and the Leap is NOT to be understated. I sorely miss the ability to rock like I could on my old budget Costco chair. The seat tilting with you as you lean back can be (and is to me) an extremely important feature for keeping good posture while lounging a bit.
The autonomous ergochair is just a white label Chinese chair. I forgot the name, but it can be had for very cheap on Alibaba. Not a great chair overall.
Ok guys, I just tried all of the Steelcase chairs. The Leap is almost perfect, but has a fatal flaw: the lower-back pressure adjustment, (which is the best idea) is off-center.... it only tightens one side in order to "rotate" the plastic towards you. It's barely noticeable, but I definitely felt like the left / top of my back was pressing into me , and this explains why. The torque of the flexible plastic has to propagate along to the left side, and it's less strong by the time it gets there. The Gesture pivots way too high on your back and doesn't have any sort of adjustable lumbar "slider" and I felt like I was being crumpled. The Think chair has a weird, limited rocking / sliding motion that doesn't feel ergonomic at all. Back complaining instantly when I tried any of the four positions. The Amia was very comfortable, but it largely relies on the padding (which is still awesome). I don't want to rely on padding because it will break down eventually (3-5 years). I was really wishing it had the Leap's concept of adjustable lumbar pressure, though it did have the vertical sliding lumbar track. The Amia had the correct "pivot point" such that when I leaned back, I was rocking on the upper part of the lumbar. The Reply was surprisingly erect, flatter, with slightly less padding. The Reply definitely was rocking correctly, but not quite the right lumbar for my back, and it doesn't seem like the $1000 chair I'm going for. I'm 6'1 but I have long legs, otherwise proportional torso. Overall, would have bought the Leap if pressure was even, Amia is a runner-up, but I may by a Herman Miller, and the rest of the chairs kinda sucked (for me)
I went to an office furniture store that sells pre-owned refurbished chairs. Leap v2, Aeron, and Embody were all there. I REALLY wanted the Embody chair because of the Aesthetic look ; however, I also did my research on the other 2 Aeron and Leap v2. After sitting for a good amount of time, the Leap v2 was just sooooo comfortable. Aeron was meh, Embody's back thing was pretty cool but it doesn't beat Leap v2's cushion comfort. The Leaps armrest is also way better then the other 2. Also, Leap v2 was $300 cheaper. As a tip: GO TO A LOCAL OFFICE STORE THAT SELLS THEM REFURBISHED TO SAVE ON COST!!!!
I’m so sorry to bother you, but how do you find these reputable places ? I’m having so much trouble finding the embody, finding the other 2 in bunches though at great prices. Makes me think the embody is something more people are holding on too maybe?
@@yonk-oh7227 The Embody is definitely harder to find since it's quite new and in high demand. Heck, the store I went to only had 2 and before I entered the store, I saw a customer rolling out 2 Embody chairs to their car. So the instant someone recognizes it, they'll immediately buy it. Herman Miller Aeron and Leap v2 are more common since they're bought from closing offices who are looking to liquidate all their office furniture and appliances. Not to mention, these models have been out for years now. There's so many in the second-hand market, in good condition, that I don't see the point buying them new. As for how I found these stores. I found the stores on Kijiji. At this point, you just have to read and look for the most professional description and look for "Store" and an address in the description. Although I did mention 'local' store, I did have to drive a good hour to reach my destination. Note: I do live within the GTA (Canada/Ontario/Toronto) so there's bound to be places that sells these chairs around. ALSO: if you do find a store, check whether they offer a warranty for the refurbished chairs. The one place I went to offered a 10 year warranty, but the place I finalized my purchased (because the chair was cheaper here) offered 3 year warranty. Lastly, do give them a test before finalizing on your decision. Everybody has a different preference because of body type and size.
I used to never spend more than $50 on a chair. But recently I paid $200 for a gaming chair and I'm pretty happy with it. Back support is so important when you sit down for long periods of time.
very nice demo and review... however, one feature that I WISH you would have discussed is the glide seat adjustment. while I realize at your height that this is not so important, for those of us who are shorter it is important as we often need seats with less depth. can you please comment on the depth adjustment feature? THANKS!
The lumbar support is much aggressive on the Leap than the Embody. Also, Leap is easier to switch between upright and recline. But, Embody don't allow you to stay too upright. The hight back of Embody can could also cut on to your shoulder if you are taller. Leap also sit much warmer than Embody.
Amazing review I really wish there was a areon in your review just because you did such a great job. Those people hate the aeron are nuts they probably do not have it adjusted right. After using the areon every other chair sucks.
I've tried numerous times to get an Aeron from work to bring home to do a review, but I've never been able to pull it off. The Aeron is an awesome chair! Fingers crossed I'll be able to do a review someday.
I am confused, at the end of this video you suggest the Leap, at the end of the Leap vs Aeron you like the Aeron but prefer the Embody as home chair. So how do you recommend the Steelcase Leap in this, and even tho the Aeron beats it in that comparison you use the Embody not the Leap at home? totally confused
Great review, you just helped push me to pick up a leap v2 today! Unfortunately the store I was at didn't have a embody as they "sell to fast, when they get them" the sales guy said. The sales guy said the same thing as you, leap v2 has firmer lumbar support (that's what I need most). Also tried out the leap v1, & gesture while i was there. The gesture is really nice, and really worth looking at but the leap v2 still had the edge with slightly more aggressive lumbar. And the leap v1 was nice as well with a better "spring" back, then the v2? Maybe because the seat back was shorter?
Good review, thanks for making it. Do the armrests on both chairs go low enough to play the keyboard comfortably? That is, can you move your elbows unrestricted as your hands shift up and down the instrument?
Great video, thanks. Can you recommend other chairs that have the same rocking motion that the Embody & Aeron have? I really like that feature but also want to sit in various positions without the Embody price tag.
I'd love to try the Steelcase leap v2. I had a HM embody at work, omg best chair ever. Loved it. No pain, ugly chair imo but supports you. Which is what I care more about. We had the opportunity to try a bunch of HM chairs and we all chose the Embody. The Aeron is not comfortable, I don't get why it's so popular and everyone knows about that.
Great video, thank you. I definitely want a chair where I can sit cross legged or otherwise pretzeled, so I appreciate you demonstrating this! At home I’m currently sitting on old wooden dining chairs, which were ok as dining chairs when I bought them 8+ years ago, but now the cushion padding is bottoming out and they are literally falling apart, so I really need to choose and buy a new chair (and almost literally anything would be better right now!). I was really keen on the Humanscale Freedom until I found one to try, and just couldn’t get it adjusted to fit comfortably at all. As well as struggling with the back height to properly support my lumbar and still being high enough to support the rest of my back, and wrangling the headrest and having it clash with the mid back position, I didn’t like not being able to lock the recline position. Plus it felt like I was always sliding around on the leather, so I’ve changed my mind on that too! At work I have this old and pretty jacked up Positiv Plus chair that I inherited when someone left, which was an enormous improvement on the low backed simpler Positiv Me chair I had before that was causing me a lot of pain (it’s a UK ergo brand). Apart from being old and creaky, with a wobbly back and dodgy arm rest that won’t stay correctly or symmetrically positioned, it’s fully loaded with all the adjustments, complete with air lumbar pump and seat depth & tilt, all of which are hard features to give up. A new one would set me back £1k though, and I’m really not sold on shelling out that much for a boring and huge black plastic chair to have at home instead of something that looks a bit sleeker. I’m looking at the Leap v2 now, or maybe the Please V2, which isn’t really on RUclips much because it’s not available in the US, but it seems comparable to the Leap in a lot of ways but with a two piece back system which reviewers say gives more lumbar support. The Please is much more plentiful second hand and I can pick up a refurb for about £200, compared to more like £330 for the Leap when they’re in stock, but I’ve struggled to find somewhere to go and try them out so it’s a bit of a gamble. Buying chairs is tough!
Yup...buying a good chair is tough. If you can try one of the Steelcase chairs out before you buy one, I'd definitely recommend that. If you can't, the Leap is a solid chair (I've never heard of the other one you mentioned). Good luck with your search!
Picked up a Leap V2 for $200, one of the better purchase decisions I've made. Keeping an eye out for anything HM as well, think I might have found a new addiction heh
My question is, do you really find the lumbar support on the leap to be enough? I was always a fan of really firm foam chairs just because I like really consistent lumbar support so when I start trying to hunch later in the day the chair just basically won't let me.
Hi Myxo, nice video - thank you! Which chair do you currently use as your favourite for home use? I liked all the chairs at the showroom (Leap v2, Embody, Aeron, Gesture), I'm struggling to make the final decision on which to pick! I have to sit for very long hours so being comfortable for long sessions is most important to me
Thanks man! When you say home use, do you mean home office use? If so, my personal favorite is the Aeron (been using one for 12 years now), followed by Embody (which I've been using at home for over 2 years now), then the Leap. If I had to choose one of the three (with all things being equal i.e. price), I'd choose the Aeron...but that's just my opinion!
For lower back pain and heating sensation in the lower body glutes, which chair would you recommend ? I would currently use the vari drafting chair right now and debating between Aeron due to the pressure points reduction.
2:50 now that right there is something every chair review should do. Yeah sitting properly is how its supposed to be used but sometimes you just wanna sit weird.
Awesome comparison and demonstration of these chairs, however I think my mind is still sold on getting a Vertagear Triigger 350 overall for money and quality sake :)
6'3" and hate the Aeron. Would have reverted to my ikea chair had it not been thrown out. I cant figure out if i went wrong with the size since i fell into both B and C. Humanscale freedom seems much more comfortable than my aeron, but it's slightly short. If i sit all the way to the back my neck is above the neck rest. I sat on the embody without really knowing what it was but it didn't leave a huge impression. I'm gonna try it again. Any experience with the steelcase gesture?
I have an Ikea chair which has armrests that swivel easily which annoy me, the Embody armrests do not swivel, the Aeron armrests do swivel but have some stiffness in them. I haven’t decided yet.
Great video! I currently have an Aeron classic which I like but I do feel the front plastic bar after a while. But I do love that it forces me to sit ergonomically. Do you feel the leap fabric is hotter than the embody? I’m moving and my new place won’t have central AC. I’m considering the embody as it seems a bit more comfortable than an Aeron while having the rocking motion I love with the Aeron
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Hi man I have been trying to get the exact same Herman Miller Embody chair as yours, do you happen to know the colour code for the light grey though? The dealer is giving me so many colour options and it is so hard to see which one it is! Massive thank you.
@@yubomao8602 damn 2 years and no response back yet. 😝😁
So nice to find an honest, practical review from someone that doesn't have a financial incentive leaning one way or another. Question for you though - where'd you shop for used at? I see a couple websites but can't tell if they're scams or what
Showing how the backs flex was really helpful. Thanks man!
the thing is, that the embody allows me to go to warp and fight the klingons, where the leap 2.0 is meant for fighting your boss in the office.
borgqueenx, the klingons you fight on the chair in your bathroom, no?
Thank you for your cross legged on a chair struggling demo. It's clear to see what a big chair they are.
Crying in $10 metal folding chair with a blanket on top.
wow, at least you got a nice folding chair. For me, I'm stuck using a milk crate that is starting to fall apart
@@joeoliveira1843 LOL
@@joeoliveira1843 salvage the crate and use it to play 🏀
That's nothing. Had to sit on the floor, using the wall as a back brace, for many years.
@@oldtwinsna8347That’s a luxury, I dreamed of having a floor. I had to sit on a mouldy old log infested with cockroaches.
Thank you for explaining how the chairs feel when sitting cross legged as well, that is how I naturally sit half the time and most reviewers don't take that into consideration. Awesome review.
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2:49. THANK YOU! I was so curious about this
lol, same here!
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Great video review! Covered way more than most reviewers who seem to focus on how the features work, instead of actual user needs/uses.
How I chose my Steelcase Leap was by sitting in it! I found one at a business liquidator for $175 and could not be happier.
Oh, and I think its awesome that you included cross-legged sitting, even though it appears that it isn't something you do (I don't and hadn't even considered it, but I know a lot of people do).
Thanks!
You got an awesome deal man!
Thank you for specifying if you can or cannot sit cross legged in the Aeron Chairs, it was exactly what i was looking for.
What are you, 12?
I can listen to your voice all day and maybe at night to fall asleep... it is so soothing ... sorry i know this comment is weird. Great video and you had me look at a better chair for my back
Most concise review I've watched thus far. Answered all of my questions! Just curious, what desk are you using?
+Aphesia Thanks! I'm using an Ikea Karlby countertop. I did a video about it here: ruclips.net/video/GwwqRM2Cb3U/видео.html
"...what desk are you using?"
The workhorse5000; it has zero employer loyalty, pays $3/day and it stabs me in the knees if I even think of taking a toilet break. Even the North Koreans have banned it due to it's inhuman cruelty, but you can thank the Lord that it's still being proudly manufactured by Trump Industries and is available in the USA. God bless America!
This was exactly the review I was looking for man, thanks very much!
Thanks for watching!
Finally Ergonomic chair review with cross leg sitting test... Thanks!!!
Great review! I too use a HM Aeron at my office, it's a great chair if you sit properly in it. Also use a Leap V2 at home. As for crossing your legs and other "incorrect" ways of sitting, we all do it, so it's great you've covered that in your review. Another thing to note, I've reached out to the Steelcase Design Studio in Dallas concerning warranty coverage and parts. Even though their warranty is "non-transferable" the service centers may still work with you on service/parts if there's factory defects; so it's really up to the agent supporting you. That made me quite satisfied with my used purchase of my Leap V2.
+Steve Woods Thanks man! I tried to make the review/comparison as 'real world' as possible. Good to know about the Steelcase warranty! Sounds like Steelcase has better 'second hand' support than HM. Luckily, I haven't had a problem with either chair.
Picking an expensive chair is a pain in the butt since they all seem to be so hit and miss as well as extremely prone to subjectivity, I went through two of them now and looking for a third. Your review helps a lot. Cheers!
(I also have the same pc case, only black)
Thanks for watching man!
For a second opinion, I had the leap v2 for 1 month. Arm adjustement are amazing but it is very loose and will move if you elbow rest on them. I returned it cause I could feel the back lumbar support bar, it hurt my back after long sitting no matter the setting. I finally switched for the embody, back support is right on perfect, but I wish it had the same arm as the leap v2 did, the arms dont go back as far as I wish they did, they would need to be longer towards the back and I hate the way they tilt from side to side. I dont mind the cushion on the embody, but it is more firm and it will take some time to adjust to, I would say the leap's cushion is superior. Leap feels cheap for its materials/construction, embody feels very premium and is eye catching, it gives my office a omg feeling. I preferred how the leap would have its back lean, the arm would stay still, embody's arm follows the chair and will lift your desk if you are up close with the arms underneath. Rocking with the embody while watching a video is better tough, but make sure you back off from your desk for full stretching. Overall I would say the leap v2 is a better chair, but I prefer the back support of the Embody. As someone else said, there is no clear winner as of now in premium chairs
I believe you can remove the lumbar support on the leap v2, did you try that before returning it? Many say the lumbar support is pretty good even without the bar, and more comfortable.
I find the lumbar support of the Embody too hard. Is the Leap one worse?
Hey folks ,heads up, with the embody arm rests move with back when leaning back ,this means you can't stay under desk because arm rests will get caught under desk or and move away from desk . With the V2 when leaning back the arm rest will stay under desk or where it was positioned ,so you'll be able to type or use mouse.
Thanks for good and honest review.
Owner of Leap here. Did not like the stiffness of Aeron when I tried it at the store.
I also needed highly adjustable arms, which Aeron did not provide. So Leap, refurb.
where did you get your leap refurb? Madison seating?
Hahaha bro! Best review for the simple fact you addressed and sat cross legged in both chairs, because we all know people do this.
I had the option to use an Aeron at work once. I ended up using a standard $50 staples chair. It really is one of those chairs that you either love or hate. In searching for a good office chair and considering the Aeron again, I found many reviewers are saying the same thing that people either like the Aeron or absolutely hate it. I hated it, so if you are considering buying new, I would advise to sit on one first before considering it.
If you could choose one. What would it be. Embody or Leap?
Embody
Ill second that, I have had my embody for about a month and it's just awesome! I got mine brand new!
Ergochair2 / gt chair dvary / uplift mk2 /aeron with headrest .
It depends on how much you want to spend. Used leap 2 that looks decent is about $400, Embody will cost you $750ish. Its all up to your budget. Lately, Amazon does have few Chinese made chairs that are really good too.
@@meenam300zx what chairs are you talking about from Amazon?
Excellent review, for me the most important feature is the spine support, so I am thankful for the quick detailed comparison good sir!
I have both chairs. In the long run Embody seems to be better because you have better control on front part of the seat. You can lift very front edge of the chair like you do in the car for example. In Gesture/Leap bottom part in always flat.
Igor Korolenko people say the plastic things in the back start hurting after about an hour. Do you agree or was this not an issue ?
Hey I just wanted to say that this video helped me choose a chair. I was stuck between these two brands and got the Embody Logitech edition while it was on sale. Thank you for solidifying my decision. Greatly appreciated.
Enjoy your new Embody chair 🙌🏾
Based on this review I ordered the Leap 2 chair in a custom colour. They shipped pronto to my remote area and unpacking was a joy. Now to my review. I am a large man over 6 feet nd 300lbs. The seat may be thin but firmly cushioned and very comfortable. The back (no headrest) is marvellously supportive and the adjustable lumbar is nicely adjustable. I have suffered for year with sciatica pain so this was an investment piece for me for long term ownership. The floppy armrest pads are brilliant and all adjustability feature work as described in your video. Even the carpet rollers make a difference on my recycled bumpy floor mat other chairs got caught up on constantly. My fav options is the sliding seat cushion that supports my longer legs & thighs amazingly well with zero fatigue after hours of sitting. But there is one catch. The cradle metal U-shaped base that attaches everything for adjustability is fixed and the two circular pivot "joints" do not widen. They dig into my hip area terribly and the chair is not offered in wider widths. In fact with the exception of maybe the Cobi model, all Steelcase chairs are based on the same physical design. At $1700 (with the exchange rate in Canada) I am sorely disappointed that larger widths are not offered considering the price of this well designed chair. A model that is armless would have solved this issue or widen the pivot points by 3" or so to prevent the hip digging. I would think that anyone my size should condor the Herman Miller Aero for it's bottom seat cradle design or the armless version as a better bigger person choice. Finding comfortable seating for large body types usually means massive chairs, overly padded and less supportive as similar prices. I hope Steelcase is listening for future designs because they nailed 90% of my wish list.
Hi, is the lumbar adjustement of the Leap make a big difference between mini and max tension ?
Good review man, I've been deciding between a few chairs including the Neue which I thought I was sold on until someone mentioned the Steelcase Leap. This video was really informative and touched on all the areas that similar reviews don't. You seemed objective and level headed, real good job!
I've seen some complaints about Neue Chair for getting saggy with time, so your thighs would be squeezed too close together.
State Farm is closing their hubs across the country. They use the steelcase chairs. I was able to get one for 20 bucks. Super comfy!!
are they selling it on a website?
Curious as well 🤔
could you share link?
Steelcase Leap is the G.O.A.T. Office chair 👍
I picked up a used Leap early this for $120. It was essentially brand new. I don't think the previous owner ever sat in it. For the price I got it for, it's unbeatable. I can sit in it for hours and get up w/o any back pain.
the seller must be rich
I am 6'4" 220lbs...I've used the Leap, Aeron and Gesture...and spent considerable time in the Embody. I wish the Leap had a forward tilting seat pan...but regardless found it to be the best fit, most supportive and comfortable. The Aeron triggered sciatic issues I never previously had '...got rid of it and thankfully issue went away. The Gesture was nice but I preferred the Leap as the lumbar support for me was better. The Embody is nice too, but it promotes more of a "lean back" posture...I.e. your hip angle is greater than 90 degrees (not ideal for me when typing at desk). You can crank up the seat back in an effort to correct this but the upper corners of seat back curl forward slightly and given my height push my shoulders forward slightly (rounded shoulders) and I find this bothersome and uncomfortable. So...for my personal chair...so far I prefer the Leap.
Questtt3 What kind of material the seat pan of the Leap is made of? I've had coccydynia issues recently and am looking for a seat pan that doesn't bottom out and put pressure on my tailbone
The forward tilt seat pan is an option on the leap depending on model you buy.
Because you're so tall.. it's cutting into yoru shoulders. I'm 5' 11 and I didn't have any issues, but I could see where it was. I'm going back and forth between the two also and they let me test the chair now to take it home.
DG which one did you decide on?
This was so helpful! I just spent $$$ on an Aeron and I hate it so far... the lip is so uncomfortable and being an accountant I don't find many times where I need to/can recline backwards lol, Thank you for posting this!
Damn! For the amount those chairs cost they better have a good return policy.
Just came back to say that my search has probably come to an end! I wen't for the Steelcase gesture, it's amazing!
Thanks for the video mate!
Congrats! Enjoy your new chair 👍🏾
What's the difference between the Leap and the Gesture?
@@staypositive4358you need the try both to see which you prefer. If you are looking used, gesture cost about double the price of leap; however that doesn't mean gesture is definitely better. Gesture has even better arm in terms of adjustability, but Leap v2 's arm is already great. The reason I chose leap v2 is because I feel it gave better lumbar support than the gesture and overall more comfortable for me. But try both to form your opinion. Also I. This video, he didn't mention how noisy the embody chair is, so if it's an office environment, it may be a concern, beyond the unique appearance.
Superb review man ! - keep up the good work 👊
Thanks man! I appreciate that 👊🏾
I just tried Steelcase leap in showroom today. I’ve tried embody before. Leap wins hands down! Aeron beats embody too.
In what way Aeron wins from Embody?
Bought an aeron and it quickly began making my legs numb. Had to return it. The edge if the seat digs into the bottom of your thighs.
@@RS_Redbaron nah dont buy aeron or embody. They suck. Get cheaper chairs don't waste money.
@@TradesByBrandon yeah i know what you mean i had aeron and for me it caused lower back pain for me and those hard edges are so annoying. It's bad design flaw. I now use corsair t3 much cheaper and better than those expensive chairs in my opinion. The recline feature is so great to have.
I have tried both at a local store, found Leap V2 is more comfortable with many more adjustment options and purchased it.
wish there was an embody with those steelcase arm rests
I just started looking at new office chairs for my home office. Had no idea how expensive they could get. I’ve been using a $60 Staples chair for about 8 years
Got the Leap with the factory headrest. Makes reclining comfortable since you have your head properly supported.
How are you liking the Leap? I'm specifically looking at this chair because my current chair is very stiff and my legs are hurting a lot due to the hard frame around the seat. Thanks!
@@staypositive4358 It's great. I sit in it 10 hours a day and honestly I don't even think much about my seating surface anymore since it's so naturally fitting and comfortable.
@@oldtwinsna8347 . Awesome! Thank you!
Solid review, answered all the questions I had. Subscribed.
Perfect description I was looking for. I just stating using the Embody at work an love it, but the arms in my opinion are stupid on it.Plus sitting cross legged is one of my favorite things to do at home when playing some games.
I bought a secondhand leap v2 for £299 a couple of weeks ago. I think that's about $375 right now? Arms are fantastic and sitting in various positions is very comfortable. Silent as well - cannot stand squeaky, creaky construction. Very content with it. I find the lumbar support most comfortable at its maximum setting though and I think the adjustments can be a little stiff. This may be due to it being secondhand though? It doesn't feel broken, just like the adjustment haptics are quite digital and not very analog. I have sat in Herman miller aerons at work and whilst I think they are good work chairs, the way they make you adopt a certain seating posture means I think that they're better work chairs than home and leisure chairs. So Herman miller for the office, steel case for home.
I'm Canadian, so £299 is a small fortune in our currency. As for the adjustments feeling stiff, this must be a secondhand thing...one of my adjustments feels loose, but i'm not concerned about it being that it works fine.
Where did you buy it from?
Thanks for the link to this video! I would really like to try the Embody. Unfortunately, it is quite a drive to the nearest retailer. I'm going to have to make the trip though, as I couldn't imagine making such an investment without trying the product first. Your video was really helpful, and gives me some food for thought.
Did you like the embody?
I saw another one of your reviews before this one and I came back to watch this hours later specifically hoping you'd address sitting cross-legged. Excellent review.
Thanks man!
Thanks for the great review. I was just able to get an awesome deal on craigslist for a leap for just75$. I was interested in the herman miller ofcourse but the opportunity came and i just couldn't turn it down.
Man awesome video EXACTLY what I was looking for...
What sucks is I'm going to have to take the public transit about an hour one way to check all 3 of these chairs out. But I guess it'll be a worthwhile long term investment.
I feel your pain man...i take transit every day. The trip will be worth the investment!
1/12/18, I'm looking to replace my old $150.00 chair from STAPLES. My jaw dropped seaching amzn/ebay to find the Steelcase Gesture @ ~ $1,200.00--$1,600. I'm in S. Jersey & the closest retailer is in Flemington. For that kind of money I'd need to see it in real time. Not many reviews available as probably not many people buy this product. We'll see. Sold by backstore.com & store.steelcase.com. I didn't know the Gesture chair is available in leather, more durable than cloth----& $450.00 more! OOFAH!
If you're going to check a chair out, with a view to perhaps bringing one home, maybe a CAR is a worthwhile short term investment. 8-)
Tried the Aeron the other day at a store. Really didn't like the seat, there's a hard lip right at the edge that puts extra pressure on your legs. The leap had the opposite, it flexes at the edge of the seat to relieve pressure. Back supposed seemed nicer to me on the leap also, ended up buying that.
If your legs are touching the hard frame ANYWHERE, then you are using the Aeron wrong. It must be set up first for the ergonomic sitting position (search for it on YT), and then you should test it. As I have experienced, the haters of this chair are either not using it with the right settings or are using the wrong size. Also, obvoiusly you can't just hop into an ergonomic chair from some shitty gamer bucket-type or a cheap office store chair and expect your body to get used to it in some minutes. Your body has to re-learn to sit well,and your stabilizing mucles have to develop again to hold a right posture - and this is a painful process just like starting to train in a gym after years without sports. And it is time. Soft-plushy seats are somewhat tricky, they are comfortable for the first minutes, so you are convinced and make the purchase, but later you can also be in pain or damage your body in the long run - so be aware :)
@@jensendenton You talk like it is people's fault if they find Aeron uncomfortable aka shitty chair despite it being an "ergonomic" chair. If he was comparing the Aeron's size with some other chair's size or something where we can all agree that he's wrong(size, weight, which one is larger or wider...), otherwise you're just calling someone "hater" just because he didn't find a chair comfortable? You're the hater here!
@@alfaralph7710 you obviously misunderstood everything here. I said that these chairs *demand* the proper sizing, settings and break-in period. It is not about a size you like looking at or guessing it will fit you in the long run, or about some settings you make in 2 minutes in a store. You shouldn't expect it to be the same as after doing the proper setup - you even need the perfect desk for it to work. You must choose them to fit perfectly, and you need at least a week to get used to it. These chairs are meant to be a professional asset - not some sitting thing where you eat your meal. I said that the "haters" are those who want this chair to be the same as some random chair from a home depot - but it is definitely not. The commenter said that the hard "lip" had a pressure on the leg - this is obiously a hint that he set it up incorrectly (too high setting of the seat) or chose the wrong size to sit in (Aeron has 3 sizes, with different lip width and angle!). Oh, and the term "hater" is bad only for you because of your interpretation, not because what I said. You and others have the right to not like (aka "hate") anything, don't fabricate some ideology here please for trolling around. Check some reviewers here on YT - those who can make well established statements after testing chairs, like @Ahnestly.
@@jensendenton I didn't misunderstand. I'm just pointing you where your "reasonable" comment went wrong. I agree with the beginning of the comment that many people use the chair in the wrong way or the wrong size; but what made me reply to you is when you added this " the haters of this chair are either not using it with the right settings or are using the wrong size."
That's very disrespectful to the first comment and on anyone who couldn't adapt to the chair as if they're hating on the chair for no good reason.
Chill out man, we're all different and nobody should be called a "hater" of some chair just because the chair doesn't fit them!
I love all the radiohead art
Just purchased my embody chair for $2,400 out the door . Can’t wait
I have been trying the HermanMiller Logitech Embody for 3 weeks, and it has been an instrument of torture for me. While the suspension principle of the sitting area looks convincing (a thin cushion supported by many small plates each of which has a spring at its back, allowing the sitting area to shape itself around your prolongued back), for me the thin cushion was just too thin, making me feel the hard support plates bearing it. After one and a half week, I couldn't sit in this chair for even half an hour without severe pain. I am not fat, rather muscular and doing various kinds of sports. Thanks to HermanMiller's return policy, I could return the chair and will now go for a chair with a more traditional seat cushion.
What chair did you end up going with? I know it's been 2 years since this post, but I had the same experience with LE :/
@@sittkukk8278I am sitting quite comfortably on a fully featured Haworth Leaf including lumbar support. I also switch between a standing and a sitting work position (I have a desk with an electric drive I can change the height of). I found this to be very beneficial for my lower back. If you do a lot of desk work I recommending getting such a desk too if you do not already have one. My son, who is very tall and heavy (6'5, 270 pounds) sits very well on his Steelcase Leap v2 (the bigger version; cost a fortune but is worth every cent).
Very nice video. Good content, pacing, and sound quality. Convinced me to subscribe!
Just ordered mine refurbished through BTOD. I'm excited
3:40 As lazy as I sound, not being able to semi-freely bounce back and forth with not much effort is kind of a deal breaker for me. Glad to hear you agree!
So bummed to hear that the Leap doesn't rock back as easily as the Aeron. After knowing what that's like, I can't see myself buying a chair without it. At the same time, I'd like to sit crosslegged when working from home. So hard to choose...
Dope video! Helped me in my decision making. I see you are a classy man, loving your skx!
Thanks! It's a shame they discontinued it 😕
I just got the Autonomous Ergochair v2, and the lack of "rocking" ability on it and the Leap is NOT to be understated. I sorely miss the ability to rock like I could on my old budget Costco chair. The seat tilting with you as you lean back can be (and is to me) an extremely important feature for keeping good posture while lounging a bit.
The autonomous ergochair is just a white label Chinese chair. I forgot the name, but it can be had for very cheap on Alibaba. Not a great chair overall.
Ok guys, I just tried all of the Steelcase chairs. The Leap is almost perfect, but has a fatal flaw: the lower-back pressure adjustment, (which is the best idea) is off-center.... it only tightens one side in order to "rotate" the plastic towards you. It's barely noticeable, but I definitely felt like the left / top of my back was pressing into me , and this explains why. The torque of the flexible plastic has to propagate along to the left side, and it's less strong by the time it gets there. The Gesture pivots way too high on your back and doesn't have any sort of adjustable lumbar "slider" and I felt like I was being crumpled. The Think chair has a weird, limited rocking / sliding motion that doesn't feel ergonomic at all. Back complaining instantly when I tried any of the four positions. The Amia was very comfortable, but it largely relies on the padding (which is still awesome). I don't want to rely on padding because it will break down eventually (3-5 years). I was really wishing it had the Leap's concept of adjustable lumbar pressure, though it did have the vertical sliding lumbar track. The Amia had the correct "pivot point" such that when I leaned back, I was rocking on the upper part of the lumbar. The Reply was surprisingly erect, flatter, with slightly less padding. The Reply definitely was rocking correctly, but not quite the right lumbar for my back, and it doesn't seem like the $1000 chair I'm going for. I'm 6'1 but I have long legs, otherwise proportional torso. Overall, would have bought the Leap if pressure was even, Amia is a runner-up, but I may by a Herman Miller, and the rest of the chairs kinda sucked (for me)
did you try Vertagear triigger 350? did it suck compared to steelcase/herman miller?
What did you end up getting, any update???
Where did you get to test out all the chairs? Also, Haworth is another big name in the ergonomic chair market. I use their zody chair.
I went to an office furniture store that sells pre-owned refurbished chairs. Leap v2, Aeron, and Embody were all there. I REALLY wanted the Embody chair because of the Aesthetic look ; however, I also did my research on the other 2 Aeron and Leap v2. After sitting for a good amount of time, the Leap v2 was just sooooo comfortable. Aeron was meh, Embody's back thing was pretty cool but it doesn't beat Leap v2's cushion comfort. The Leaps armrest is also way better then the other 2.
Also, Leap v2 was $300 cheaper.
As a tip: GO TO A LOCAL OFFICE STORE THAT SELLS THEM REFURBISHED TO SAVE ON COST!!!!
I’m so sorry to bother you, but how do you find these reputable places ? I’m having so much trouble finding the embody, finding the other 2 in bunches though at great prices. Makes me think the embody is something more people are holding on too maybe?
@@yonk-oh7227 The Embody is definitely harder to find since it's quite new and in high demand. Heck, the store I went to only had 2 and before I entered the store, I saw a customer rolling out 2 Embody chairs to their car. So the instant someone recognizes it, they'll immediately buy it.
Herman Miller Aeron and Leap v2 are more common since they're bought from closing offices who are looking to liquidate all their office furniture and appliances. Not to mention, these models have been out for years now. There's so many in the second-hand market, in good condition, that I don't see the point buying them new.
As for how I found these stores. I found the stores on Kijiji. At this point, you just have to read and look for the most professional description and look for "Store" and an address in the description. Although I did mention 'local' store, I did have to drive a good hour to reach my destination.
Note: I do live within the GTA (Canada/Ontario/Toronto) so there's bound to be places that sells these chairs around.
ALSO: if you do find a store, check whether they offer a warranty for the refurbished chairs. The one place I went to offered a 10 year warranty, but the place I finalized my purchased (because the chair was cheaper here) offered 3 year warranty.
Lastly, do give them a test before finalizing on your decision. Everybody has a different preference because of body type and size.
Great review. Really helped me decide which chair to buy. I'm going to get a refurbished leap v2 for working from home.
What site did you get your refurb from? How have u liked it?
I used to never spend more than $50 on a chair. But recently I paid $200 for a gaming chair and I'm pretty happy with it. Back support is so important when you sit down for long periods of time.
very nice demo and review... however, one feature that I WISH you would have discussed is the glide seat adjustment. while I realize at your height that this is not so important, for those of us who are shorter it is important as we often need seats with less depth. can you please comment on the depth adjustment feature? THANKS!
Really nice review! and showing the cushion with your hand, thumbs up
The lumbar support is much aggressive on the Leap than the Embody. Also, Leap is easier to switch between upright and recline. But, Embody don't allow you to stay too upright. The hight back of Embody can could also cut on to your shoulder if you are taller. Leap also sit much warmer than Embody.
Great review! Have been using the Aeron for the past 4 years, and wanting to try something new.. Think my next chair will be the Embody.
Amazing review I really wish there was a areon in your review just because you did such a great job. Those people hate the aeron are nuts they probably do not have it adjusted right. After using the areon every other chair sucks.
I've tried numerous times to get an Aeron from work to bring home to do a review, but I've never been able to pull it off. The Aeron is an awesome chair! Fingers crossed I'll be able to do a review someday.
Super helpful!!!! That being said Im gonna see if I can try these out somewhere 🤔🤔
Great review especially cross leg thing and actually people admitted that Aeron is not that comfortable.
It should be noted that if you are using a 10 year old Aeron you are using an old model. They released a new version in 2016
Really well thought out and thorough review, thanks.
🙌🏾
I am confused, at the end of this video you suggest the Leap, at the end of the Leap vs Aeron you like the Aeron but prefer the Embody as home chair. So how do you recommend the Steelcase Leap in this, and even tho the Aeron beats it in that comparison you use the Embody not the Leap at home? totally confused
Great review, you just helped push me to pick up a leap v2 today! Unfortunately the store I was at didn't have a embody as they "sell to fast, when they get them" the sales guy said. The sales guy said the same thing as you, leap v2 has firmer lumbar support (that's what I need most).
Also tried out the leap v1, & gesture while i was there. The gesture is really nice, and really worth looking at but the leap v2 still had the edge with slightly more aggressive lumbar.
And the leap v1 was nice as well with a better "spring" back, then the v2? Maybe because the seat back was shorter?
Good review, thanks for making it. Do the armrests on both chairs go low enough to play the keyboard comfortably? That is, can you move your elbows unrestricted as your hands shift up and down the instrument?
If I may ask, where did you get the embody for 350 from? I'm in the Vancouver area and the "cheap" suppliers still want 1150+tax. Thanks!
Great video, that made up my mind. Getting the Herman Miller.
Great video, thanks. Can you recommend other chairs that have the same rocking motion that the Embody & Aeron have? I really like that feature but also want to sit in various positions without the Embody price tag.
I'd love to try the Steelcase leap v2. I had a HM embody at work, omg best chair ever. Loved it. No pain, ugly chair imo but supports you. Which is what I care more about. We had the opportunity to try a bunch of HM chairs and we all chose the Embody. The Aeron is not comfortable, I don't get why it's so popular and everyone knows about that.
Great video, thank you. I definitely want a chair where I can sit cross legged or otherwise pretzeled, so I appreciate you demonstrating this!
At home I’m currently sitting on old wooden dining chairs, which were ok as dining chairs when I bought them 8+ years ago, but now the cushion padding is bottoming out and they are literally falling apart, so I really need to choose and buy a new chair (and almost literally anything would be better right now!).
I was really keen on the Humanscale Freedom until I found one to try, and just couldn’t get it adjusted to fit comfortably at all. As well as struggling with the back height to properly support my lumbar and still being high enough to support the rest of my back, and wrangling the headrest and having it clash with the mid back position, I didn’t like not being able to lock the recline position. Plus it felt like I was always sliding around on the leather, so I’ve changed my mind on that too!
At work I have this old and pretty jacked up Positiv Plus chair that I inherited when someone left, which was an enormous improvement on the low backed simpler Positiv Me chair I had before that was causing me a lot of pain (it’s a UK ergo brand). Apart from being old and creaky, with a wobbly back and dodgy arm rest that won’t stay correctly or symmetrically positioned, it’s fully loaded with all the adjustments, complete with air lumbar pump and seat depth & tilt, all of which are hard features to give up. A new one would set me back £1k though, and I’m really not sold on shelling out that much for a boring and huge black plastic chair to have at home instead of something that looks a bit sleeker.
I’m looking at the Leap v2 now, or maybe the Please V2, which isn’t really on RUclips much because it’s not available in the US, but it seems comparable to the Leap in a lot of ways but with a two piece back system which reviewers say gives more lumbar support. The Please is much more plentiful second hand and I can pick up a refurb for about £200, compared to more like £330 for the Leap when they’re in stock, but I’ve struggled to find somewhere to go and try them out so it’s a bit of a gamble. Buying chairs is tough!
Yup...buying a good chair is tough. If you can try one of the Steelcase chairs out before you buy one, I'd definitely recommend that. If you can't, the Leap is a solid chair (I've never heard of the other one you mentioned). Good luck with your search!
Thanks, great review. I wish the Embody wasn't so expensive.
Yeah, even used they're expensive...but worth it!
Awsome video and great editing! Keep doing you fam, just subscribed.
Very good comparison. Thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Great review, Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Picked up a Leap V2 for $200, one of the better purchase decisions I've made. Keeping an eye out for anything HM as well, think I might have found a new addiction heh
My question is, do you really find the lumbar support on the leap to be enough? I was always a fan of really firm foam chairs just because I like really consistent lumbar support so when I start trying to hunch later in the day the chair just basically won't let me.
Amazing review! Going to purchase one.
Hi Myxo, nice video - thank you! Which chair do you currently use as your favourite for home use? I liked all the chairs at the showroom (Leap v2, Embody, Aeron, Gesture), I'm struggling to make the final decision on which to pick! I have to sit for very long hours so being comfortable for long sessions is most important to me
Thanks man! When you say home use, do you mean home office use? If so, my personal favorite is the Aeron (been using one for 12 years now), followed by Embody (which I've been using at home for over 2 years now), then the Leap. If I had to choose one of the three (with all things being equal i.e. price), I'd choose the Aeron...but that's just my opinion!
For lower back pain and heating sensation in the lower body glutes, which chair would you recommend ? I would currently use the vari drafting chair right now and debating between Aeron due to the pressure points reduction.
Very good video man, thanks for including your height. Lots of good info without being overly long.
Thanks!
I got super anxious when you started doing that 2:50
Awesome video. Great comparison
2:50 now that right there is something every chair review should do. Yeah sitting properly is how its supposed to be used but sometimes you just wanna sit weird.
Awesome comparison and demonstration of these chairs, however I think my mind is still sold on getting a Vertagear Triigger 350 overall for money and quality sake :)
6'3" and hate the Aeron. Would have reverted to my ikea chair had it not been thrown out. I cant figure out if i went wrong with the size since i fell into both B and C. Humanscale freedom seems much more comfortable than my aeron, but it's slightly short. If i sit all the way to the back my neck is above the neck rest. I sat on the embody without really knowing what it was but it didn't leave a huge impression. I'm gonna try it again. Any experience with the steelcase gesture?
What kind of desk is that? I love the thick wood.
The Steelcase Gesture is goated
Leap v2 outsells it tbh.
Great video, very helpful
I have an Ikea chair which has armrests that swivel easily which annoy me, the Embody armrests do not swivel, the Aeron armrests do swivel but have some stiffness in them. I haven’t decided yet.
Perhaps, you get the Steelcase Leap Plus so it is larger?
Very informative, Thank you!
Very helpful, thank ya! Any updated opinions on chairs given a few more years?
What is the brand/model of the steamer you are using to clean your Leap at 5:54?
It’s a rowenta steamer
Great video! I currently have an Aeron classic which I like but I do feel the front plastic bar after a while. But I do love that it forces me to sit ergonomically.
Do you feel the leap fabric is hotter than the embody? I’m moving and my new place won’t have central AC. I’m considering the embody as it seems a bit more comfortable than an Aeron while having the rocking motion I love with the Aeron
Stellar review, thanks for the video