Eventhough Sandman is far from kid-friendly, I'm really upset that it never happened. Imagine the crazy imagery you get from stuff like that with the DCAU art style.
True! And the DCAU has had moments when it straddled the edge of what could be shown on TV at the time anyway, so it wouldn't be too far off for some of the Endless to be around. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Believe me, it sure would have satisfied that annoying itch on forever wondering how he got out of that between "What Is Reality?" and "Riddler's Reform".
The Sandman pitch still gives me chills. That would’ve been an incredible episode. Also as one of the very few fans of Cavalier so it’s sad he never appeared.
@@dusanstojsin4938Oh, you mean GOLB's short yet damaging attack on Ooo? At least Bubbline got confirmed there. Took the Adventure Time crew long enough.
This channel is an amazing treasure trove of information related to the animated series. Kudos for your effort and hard work! Much appreciated and the millions should come in soon!
It's worth noting that Nocturna was not originally a vampire and vampirism was in no way part of her early appearances (that would change when her character was rebooted for the New 52). I think the idea was to create a character that combined Nocturna with Dala from the two-part story in DETECTIVE COMICS #31 & 32 (September and October 1939).
22:20 It's pretty funny for me to hear other people reading quotes from interviews that I conducted, as I usually can remember what the folks *actually* sounded like when they were saying all that stuff (You listen to stuff a LOT when you're transcribing an interview). In fact, the next time you do one of these Lost Episodes videos, I might be able to provide you with snippets of the actual audio if you want. Thanks for the shout-out at 23:06, guys! Glad it helped you out. It's always nice to be a part of DCAU scholarship. :)
Just for fun here's a list of places where, to my recollection, these stories were later adapted: 1.) Crime Syndicate story: "Deep Cover for Batman" and "Game Over for Owlman" (Batman: The Brave and the Bold) and Crisis on Two Earths 2.) The Batman/Sandman story: Batman: Dark Knight, "I am the Night" (kind of) 3.) Vampire Batman story: Batman Beyond, Batman: TB&TB, and Justice League: Gods and Monsters
easy line of dialog to avoid saying death and still explaining who she is: "you know who i am. we met when you were a boy, in an alley. im here to take you to be with your parents again" or: "this is my sister. she is here to...ease the transition to your final destination"
Honestly from just that 4 minuet summary I think that if the Sandman episode was made it would have probably gone on to be one of the best episodes of BTAS and probably been at least nominated for an Emmy award like the gun episode probably would've been.
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The idea of the Riddler being only able to get out of his coma whenever Batman talks makes Riddler really come off as being gay for the bat. Makes perfect sense.
The irony of the Nocturna situation was that they got away with including Dala, a vampire antagonist from the early issues of Detective Comics in the Batman: the Brave and the Bold animated series.
Don't forget Morbius in Spider-Man 94. I appreciate Bruce Timm offering alternatives for Nocturna but WB and Fox Kids got cold feet. Instead of just draining Batman of his "blood", she will drain him of his "plasma" or "energy" kinda like how Morb did. It won't turn him into a vampire but it'll result in him being way too tired to go out as Batman and he'll need an alternative to counter that so stuff like this won't happen again.
Alot of these characters such as the Creeper and Huntress in TAS as well as the storylines were explored in Batman TAS comics. It is unfortunate that some of the more intriguing ideas never made their way into the actual short lived show.
I may be in the minority here, but I'm actually glad that a lot of these lost episodes didn't get made, at least as part of B:TAS. In regards to the DCAU, I always felt that it kind of follows something of the "escalation" idea from Batman Begins in terms of threat level, superpowers, and overt supernatural aspects of DC Comics. Taking TAS on its own, it's only slightly more heightened than Nolan Batman. However around the time Superman jumps onto the scene the universe seems to become a much bigger place and the sky gets to be the limit for what's possible, even in Batman's circle, during TNBA and S:TAS. It then grows even larger yet in Static, Justice League, and JLU, before seeming to shrink a bit in the future of Beyond and Zeta, taking place after the age of heroes. Long story short, a lot of these episodes seem to me that they would have worked much better even in the tone of TNBA (where things are only getting sorta crazy) than TAS. I mean, in TAS, Zatanna is only a slight-of-hand magician, not a real weilder of magic. I get they couldn't have known that they'd have the time they later would have to tell said stories, so they naturally wanted to go for broke with every idea they had. However, as with "Epilogue," I prefer the versions of these stories we'd later get in other shows and movies headed by this team in the future. Nevertheless, a really interesting topic as usual Mattie!
I think a good Catwoman show would be amazing. The DC Catwoman Showcase short film represents everything I love about the character and its only 14 minutes.
Azrael! It was weird that they introduced Bane, and kept bringing him back, but we didn't get Azrael until the Adventures Continue. Justice League Action was a fun cartoon.
maybetoby and Azrael wasn’t adapted into dozens of Cartoons, games and even a movie that grossed t $520 million in domestic sales and $2,463,216,216 internationally
@@kalebsantos72 and adaptation into media doesn't mean much. Tim Drake has barely been adapted into other media outside of the DCAU. He wasn't in any of the recent DC Animated Movies. Hasn't been in live action. Was barely in the Young Justice cartoon. But he's arguably more popular than Damian Wayne or Jason Todd.
King Tut on "BTAS"? Oh, how I would have loved that! Of course, they did do an ancient Egyptian-themed episode with "Avatar," but that one creeped me out.
Your channel with all this info regarding the Batman world is fantastic. For an old fart like me, 52 and I still try to follow as much as I can I love what you are producing here. I was the 4th grader living in Naval housing in Va. Beach back in the early '70's who rode his bike every couple weeks to 7 Eleven to grab his favorite Batman comics. When TAS came out I was in my mid 20's in NY and my nerdy buddies and I use to hit the comic stores up for everything TAS, DC and especially Batman. This is a real treat. Thanks man!!
6:40 That all gave me goosebumps. I hope it gets fully made sometime. It reminds me of the concept explored in "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?" but as another facet of the situation rather than a retread.
It's interesting how Nocturna was only interesting to the team if she was a vampire, so they weren't really going to draw inspiration from the comic book stories featuring her - just the name and design. The film adaptation of "Interview With A Vampire" was really trendy at the time, so that might've influenced Timm's interest in doing that story.
If you look at the artwork he creates for "fans" he's obsessed with Hammer horror movies and scantily clad vampire babes. So that was probably more interesting to him than some mid 80s comics by Doug Monech he never read.
That Robin Spin off makes me feel the teen titans would been in the background and focus more on robin becoming Nightwing. But if it becomes a dcau movie i love to see the dcau teen titans. What if Dick (nightwing), Jason(redhood), Tim(robin) and Starfire,Raven,Kid Flash, Cyborg, Speedy,Beast Boy, Wonder Girl, Aqua Lad, Miss Martian, Superboy and maybe Terra. p.s i thnk Jason in the BatmanTheAdventuresContinue is a clone of Dick. Just been hearing alot of the batman beyond story after return of the joker of the next movie being catwoman and a clone.Clones do have memories of relating to others remember the Ultimen clones. what if....... it would fit well in the dcau universe and the clone idea in the Cadmus fits well but that's just my goofy theory.
That lost Sandman episode is the reason why I hated that vertigo/DC divide. If wasn't for that divide. I would been introduced to Sandman three years earlier.
I don't know if you've covered it in the two years since this episode was made, but Michael Reaves used to have an unproduced BTAS script that he wrote which was a sequel to Hugo Strange's appearance in BTAS.
Fantastic video as always, really like that you talk about the Batman/Sandman episode, really hope that in that future that unmade episode, can become a DC Showcase. Can't wait to see Mattie talk about more lost episodes about B:TAS, and more DCAU show in the future.
A “crossover” episode of TNBA with the Flash guest starring going against like Mirror Master, Captain Cold or some other solid flash rogues teamed up with Batman’s rogues would have been solid
I'm not sure if anyones mentioned this already but that crime syndicate episode was adapted in Batman:the brave and the bold. Like almost exactly the same concept but they used the heroes from that show and I'd assume some minor changes.
honestly I think that's what the Adventure Continues, it should have been focusing on, Comics based on episodes that couldn't have been made because of the Network sensors.
I was gonna make a comment that batman became a vampire in Brave and the bold, but I just looked it up, it was by a different vampire woman, so the idea eventually got used, but not the character.
Sandman would probably be "too weird" for BTAS - early seasons it would feel out of place, and later seasons I don't think they would do it justice. But I bet Brave and the Bold could have pulled it off very nicely - Brave and the Bold was "wacky" enough they could have transitioned straight into "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?"
I think it would have worked fine with the early tone of BTAS before the "more Robin" mandate. Batman only spends a little bit of time in The Dreaming, and with commercials each episode loses around like 7 minutes. That's enough time for a cold open of Batman being brutalized and going unconscious, him encountering Death and Morpheus up to the first commercial break, and the final part spent on showing him his impact. Leave most of the lore out of it, it's not needed for the story. The important thing is Batman is having a near-death experience, the beings that define reality/unreality and life/death (the line he straddles and the war he wages) for his universe visit him and allow him a chance to choose which of them he is more an agent of, and he chooses Morpheus. You don't even need any of the reality angle, just the "inspiring humanity vs. peace" angle. It's presented in the lore that each of the Endless define their realm and the inverse, and so Morpheus also defines reality. There's plenty to support that in story. So he and Death share an inverse, our realm. That also fits the lore. But Batman as a thing is directly spawned by an act of Death, straddles the real and the unreal, and is a being of the night beyond simply operating there but rather truly mastering it. At the same time, he endlessly fights for life but causes an endless wake of death in doing so because he won't kill. It basically is the same theme as "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?", but from a perspective of "Batman gets offered an out by Death and Dream in what was most definitely a bet when he's being grouchy about humans, Batman refuses to quit".
It would've been cool to see that Catwoman spin off series happen in some manner or another. Especially if she wears that suit which has what I like best from both her BTAS and TNBA designs combined. Perhaps if HBO Max is interested in developing more DC exclusive series for it's services this can be the chance to revive the series at last in at least as a mini series. Heck if there's a DCAU animated movie in the works that's about Catwoman I'd watch it too especially if she wears that suit I've mentioned.
You missed out on some unmade episodes, with the scripts and synopsis out there online. The Midnight Hour, Mind Games, Vigil, Lo the Creeper! Razing Hellbane, Never Say Uncle... Some of these are on World's Finest Batman TAS while the first three can be found using script-o-rama and the wayback machine.
I hope for a season 3 of Harley quinn and having Baby Doll return to become a member of the team since Psycho is behind bars, and Baby Doll os my favorite episode of BTAS!
That Sandman/Death episode pitch sounds like the perfect fit for a Justice League(Unlimited) episode. Its criminally insane that this idea never blossomed into an episode of any sort in the DCEU. I imagine it would have the same feel and pacing as the “Epilogue” episode of JLU where it’s mostly Batman focused and acted as a conclusion to Batman Beyond and was also as “slow and metaphysical” as they tried to claim the pitch was....and fans loved it.
Another great video, guys! Love the bit about Bad Religion. Lol. I hope you make a Jason Todd video. Thing like: Why wasn't he used in the series? Why did Tim Drake essentially got his origin?
We definitely will be following up our now outdated Vanishing Point episode about “Jason Todd doesn’t exist in the DCAU” after this comic series is over
I really think that the Nocturna one would slay as an animated movie. Since they recently have gone back to using DCAU models and the like for some of their films (Bvs.HQ, JLvs.tFF), I think the time is right to finally dust off that long-denied story.
Seeing the Catwoman animation cell makes me wish that Bruce Timm did/would do a Miss Fury series, with cameos by various Golden Age Public Domain heroes and villains. It would bypass any rights red-tape and give him a lot of freedom with what he gets to do (not to mention I love the idea of these old nearly forgotten superheroes' original fans, now little old men and women, finally getting to see their heroes come to life like they probably imagined after seeing the Fleischer Superman shorts) .
Hey guys,speaking of Sandman have you ever watched the music video for Pearl Jam's Do The Evolution? It was directed by Kevin Altieri and it used the DCAU aesthetic (i think they reused Lex Luthor's model in shot in fact),and the goth girl that appears is based on DC's Death of the Endless
Wouldn't mind as well as all of us those episodes to were produced. Batman TAS crew has proven to me that they knew how to get the job done right.. soo yeah im sure those scrapped episodes would turn out amazing.
i would love to see them bring nocturna into the dcau. like maybe she might show up in the batman adventures continue comic or they do a dcau movie with her as the main villain.
Now that the series is more popular than ever, 2D animation is cheaper than ever, and the original series was already produced out of the correct order, Paul Dini and Bruce Timm could make a new season for HBO Max to fill-in some gaps (how certain characters first met, or their untold origin stories, for example) or include deeper concepts from deleted episodes. The same could be made for Darkwing Duck in Disney+ BTW. That show was also produced out of order and featured several characters without an origin.
Eventhough Sandman is far from kid-friendly, I'm really upset that it never happened. Imagine the crazy imagery you get from stuff like that with the DCAU art style.
True! And the DCAU has had moments when it straddled the edge of what could be shown on TV at the time anyway, so it wouldn't be too far off for some of the Endless to be around. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Scarshadow666 I'd like to see it made, they wouldn't have done it then, but they might now.
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Definitely! ^^
@@Scarshadow666 Honestly a Sandman animated series for adults on that universe would be amazing.
Yea that’s the idea I most would have liked to see.
That Riddler idea sounded really cool. It would also explain how he woke up from his coma.
Believe me, it sure would have satisfied that annoying itch on forever wondering how he got out of that between "What Is Reality?" and "Riddler's Reform".
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I feel ashamed that the fan joke actually caught me off guard. Mattie putting on the mask really sold it.
I'm just replying so you can see how many likes you got
@@afellowpotato holy shit-
The Sandman pitch still gives me chills. That would’ve been an incredible episode. Also as one of the very few fans of Cavalier so it’s sad he never appeared.
You're profile pic just brought back some uh... *memories*
@@dusanstojsin4938Oh, you mean GOLB's short yet damaging attack on Ooo?
At least Bubbline got confirmed there. Took the Adventure Time crew long enough.
An episode on Batman's sex life? I'm sure Bruce Timm's got some....... storyboards of that
Bruce timm is so creepy bruh
🤣🤣🤣 We know he does.
@@-Teague- Let's just hope that creepiness never manifested in any particularly concerning ways.
@@Deoxys911 Lmao Bruce Timm gets canceled
ABSOLUTELY. The man has some sexual issues
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This channel is an amazing treasure trove of information related to the animated series. Kudos for your effort and hard work! Much appreciated and the millions should come in soon!
Faizan Farooque yeah we may never know what other ideas they had.
Fox said no to vampires, turning down any ideas on how to censor...then along came Spider-Man Animated with Morpheus and being a plasma vampire.
It's worth noting that Nocturna was not originally a vampire and vampirism was in no way part of her early appearances (that would change when her character was rebooted for the New 52). I think the idea was to create a character that combined Nocturna with Dala from the two-part story in DETECTIVE COMICS #31 & 32 (September and October 1939).
Thank you. Nocturna was just a goth who got turned on by the moon and rode around in a hot air balloon.
22:20 It's pretty funny for me to hear other people reading quotes from interviews that I conducted, as I usually can remember what the folks *actually* sounded like when they were saying all that stuff (You listen to stuff a LOT when you're transcribing an interview). In fact, the next time you do one of these Lost Episodes videos, I might be able to provide you with snippets of the actual audio if you want.
Thanks for the shout-out at 23:06, guys! Glad it helped you out. It's always nice to be a part of DCAU scholarship. :)
Having actual audio quotes would be phenomenal! We’ll let you know what we’re looking at for the next one...
Just for fun here's a list of places where, to my recollection, these stories were later adapted:
1.) Crime Syndicate story: "Deep Cover for Batman" and "Game Over for Owlman" (Batman: The Brave and the Bold) and Crisis on Two Earths
2.) The Batman/Sandman story: Batman: Dark Knight, "I am the Night" (kind of)
3.) Vampire Batman story: Batman Beyond, Batman: TB&TB, and Justice League: Gods and Monsters
The Batman and Dracula even though I thought THe Batman was one of the weakest show along with the one after i like the Dracula story.
easy line of dialog to avoid saying death and still explaining who she is: "you know who i am. we met when you were a boy, in an alley. im here to take you to be with your parents again"
or: "this is my sister. she is here to...ease the transition to your final destination"
Or just name her "Teleute".
Honestly from just that 4 minuet summary I think that if the Sandman episode was made it would have probably gone on to be one of the best episodes of BTAS and probably been at least nominated for an Emmy award like the gun episode probably would've been.
Hearing the Nocturna story makes me want to hear Bruce Timm's reaction to The Batman v Dracula 😂
Bruce: "Alfred looking like a **SNACK**."
"Damn nigga whatchu doin out here with all this blood?"
Gargoyles,Captain Planet,Magic School Bus, Animaniacs,PowerPuff Girl,Dexter Labratory,Tiny Toon Adventure,Freakazoid(Dexter Douglas), X-Men the animated series and Batman the animated series on my childhood!
Now HOLD on, you're forgetting..... Ren and Stimpy, Rocco's Modern Life, and DOUG!! =D
same
@@chegadesuadeRen and Stimpy has not aged well though. Same with Beavis and Butthead.
The idea of the Riddler being only able to get out of his coma whenever Batman talks makes Riddler really come off as being gay for the bat. Makes perfect sense.
or great fear
@Robert Ortiz-Wilson Uh, no, that would be a YES.
Wormwood would have made a great replacement for The Riddler while he was in coma and someone was doing the job from his name.
That sandman episode could have been a good finale for the show.
these episodes could be a group called ''Almost cut'em''
But they DID cut ‘em!
@@dcauwatchtower darn, it was too obvious. I missed it.
"Almost got 'em".
The irony of the Nocturna situation was that they got away with including Dala, a vampire antagonist from the early issues of Detective Comics in the Batman: the Brave and the Bold animated series.
Don't forget Morbius in Spider-Man 94. I appreciate Bruce Timm offering alternatives for Nocturna but WB and Fox Kids got cold feet. Instead of just draining Batman of his "blood", she will drain him of his "plasma" or "energy" kinda like how Morb did. It won't turn him into a vampire but it'll result in him being way too tired to go out as Batman and he'll need an alternative to counter that so stuff like this won't happen again.
Love how the video starts it’s with joker staring at Batman’s ass 😏
I'm still crying over the Nocturna thing. That would have been awesome! Just think of the music!
LMFAOOOOOOO THE FANNNNN IM SO MADDDDDDDDDDDDDD I DIDNT SEE THAT COMINGGGGGG
I hope the Nocturna story will make its way into Legacies of the DCAU.
Alot of these characters such as the Creeper and Huntress in TAS as well as the storylines were explored in Batman TAS comics. It is unfortunate that some of the more intriguing ideas never made their way into the actual short lived show.
I may be in the minority here, but I'm actually glad that a lot of these lost episodes didn't get made, at least as part of B:TAS. In regards to the DCAU, I always felt that it kind of follows something of the "escalation" idea from Batman Begins in terms of threat level, superpowers, and overt supernatural aspects of DC Comics. Taking TAS on its own, it's only slightly more heightened than Nolan Batman. However around the time Superman jumps onto the scene the universe seems to become a much bigger place and the sky gets to be the limit for what's possible, even in Batman's circle, during TNBA and S:TAS. It then grows even larger yet in Static, Justice League, and JLU, before seeming to shrink a bit in the future of Beyond and Zeta, taking place after the age of heroes. Long story short, a lot of these episodes seem to me that they would have worked much better even in the tone of TNBA (where things are only getting sorta crazy) than TAS. I mean, in TAS, Zatanna is only a slight-of-hand magician, not a real weilder of magic. I get they couldn't have known that they'd have the time they later would have to tell said stories, so they naturally wanted to go for broke with every idea they had. However, as with "Epilogue," I prefer the versions of these stories we'd later get in other shows and movies headed by this team in the future. Nevertheless, a really interesting topic as usual Mattie!
@bigevilworldwide1 I don't believe that. Some of the best stories and most important timeline lynchpins come from TNBA. But no, tHe ReDEsiGns aRE BaD
Batman sending himself to prison to solve a crime, while I doubt taken from these ideas, was an episode in Beware the Batman called “Animal”.
Similar reasons as to why Morbius on Spider-Man Tas had to absorb plasma through contact with his hands…
I think a good Catwoman show would be amazing. The DC Catwoman Showcase short film represents everything I love about the character and its only 14 minutes.
Agreed. I'd love it if we have a DCAU movie that centers on DCAU Catwoman or even have the planned show be on HBO Max.
Azrael! It was weird that they introduced Bane, and kept bringing him back, but we didn't get Azrael until the Adventures Continue.
Justice League Action was a fun cartoon.
Yeah but to be fair Bane is just a better villain/character
@@kalebsantos72 Bane didn't have a solo comic that lasted 100 issues 😉
maybetoby and Azrael wasn’t adapted into dozens of Cartoons, games and even a movie that grossed t $520 million in domestic sales and $2,463,216,216 internationally
@@kalebsantos72 right cuz that Batman and Robin version worked out so well. Plus Dark Knight was still better then Dark Knight Rises.
@@kalebsantos72 and adaptation into media doesn't mean much. Tim Drake has barely been adapted into other media outside of the DCAU. He wasn't in any of the recent DC Animated Movies. Hasn't been in live action. Was barely in the Young Justice cartoon. But he's arguably more popular than Damian Wayne or Jason Todd.
King Tut on "BTAS"? Oh, how I would have loved that! Of course, they did do an ancient Egyptian-themed episode with "Avatar," but that one creeped me out.
Awesome breakdown and super stoked to be a part of this. Thanks for having me guys! And many kisses back to you, Mattie.😉
Your channel with all this info regarding the Batman world is fantastic. For an old fart like me, 52 and I still try to follow as much as I can I love what you are producing here. I was the 4th grader living in Naval housing in Va. Beach back in the early '70's who rode his bike every couple weeks to 7 Eleven to grab his favorite Batman comics. When TAS came out I was in my mid 20's in NY and my nerdy buddies and I use to hit the comic stores up for everything TAS, DC and especially Batman. This is a real treat. Thanks man!!
Love hearing these kinds of stories. Glad you’re enjoying the videos!
6:40 That all gave me goosebumps. I hope it gets fully made sometime. It reminds me of the concept explored in "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?" but as another facet of the situation rather than a retread.
Can’t wait for the review on the latest Batman adventures comic
See ya in a week!
Believe me, you want to. The entire contiuity of the comic flies out the window in the final panel.
What more can be said about the rejected Nocturna pitch? It was the 1990s, a lot of things were a Bozo No-No with the networks.
I still wanna know how Spiderman TAS got around the no vampire rule with Morbius
Because he absorbs their plasma through his hands...
So......We're not even gonna talk about the fact Bruce got another Robin before Tim in BTAS?
How would we not talk about that? 😜 Next Sunday!
That's Dragon Ball Super levels of fanon discontinuity.
Tim has always been the second Robin, so no real surprise there.
Did NOT expect to hear the Serfs or Worthless Human Slave Vadim on this video! haha Awesome surprise. Love all those dudes.
This was an ambitious crossover, Lance from The Serfs and Watchtower database? Awesome!
It's interesting how Nocturna was only interesting to the team if she was a vampire, so they weren't really going to draw inspiration from the comic book stories featuring her - just the name and design. The film adaptation of "Interview With A Vampire" was really trendy at the time, so that might've influenced Timm's interest in doing that story.
If you look at the artwork he creates for "fans" he's obsessed with Hammer horror movies and scantily clad vampire babes. So that was probably more interesting to him than some mid 80s comics by Doug Monech he never read.
That Robin Spin off makes me feel the teen titans would been in the background and focus more on robin becoming Nightwing. But if it becomes a dcau movie i love to see the dcau teen titans. What if Dick (nightwing), Jason(redhood), Tim(robin) and Starfire,Raven,Kid Flash, Cyborg, Speedy,Beast Boy, Wonder Girl, Aqua Lad, Miss Martian, Superboy and maybe Terra.
p.s i thnk Jason in the BatmanTheAdventuresContinue is a clone of Dick. Just been hearing alot of the batman beyond story after return of the joker of the next movie being catwoman and a clone.Clones do have memories of relating to others remember the Ultimen clones. what if....... it would fit well in the dcau universe and the clone idea in the Cadmus fits well but that's just my goofy theory.
You’ll have to check out the newest issue then!
17:01
*Insert "The Room" reference here*
Maybe now we can see all these ideas in a DCAU comic continuation like the one happening now where they’re using ideas they couldn’t before
Yeah along with potential future animated DCAU content too like in movies,or even shows if they wanted.
I would’ve liked a Catwoman spin-off
That lost Sandman episode is the reason why I hated that vertigo/DC divide. If wasn't for that divide. I would been introduced to Sandman three years earlier.
I don't know if you've covered it in the two years since this episode was made, but Michael Reaves used to have an unproduced BTAS script that he wrote which was a sequel to Hugo Strange's appearance in BTAS.
Wow I really wanted John Hurt to be in the show since I did like his role as the Horned king.
Fantastic video as always, really like that you talk about the Batman/Sandman episode, really hope that in that future that unmade episode, can become a DC Showcase.
Can't wait to see Mattie talk about more lost episodes about B:TAS, and more DCAU show in the future.
A “crossover” episode of TNBA with the Flash guest starring going against like Mirror Master, Captain Cold or some other solid flash rogues teamed up with Batman’s rogues would have been solid
That Sandman episode sounded so badass!
They should make the Batman meets Sandman story into an animated movie
I'm not sure if anyones mentioned this already but that crime syndicate episode was adapted in Batman:the brave and the bold. Like almost exactly the same concept but they used the heroes from that show and I'd assume some minor changes.
honestly I think that's what the Adventure Continues, it should have been focusing on, Comics based on episodes that couldn't have been made because of the Network sensors.
I'm glad you guys are still cranking out videos (even though this one is like two years old) lol. Still a huge fan!
Working on our biggest video ever right now! Look out for the trailer soon!
I was gonna make a comment that batman became a vampire in Brave and the bold, but I just looked it up, it was by a different vampire woman, so the idea eventually got used, but not the character.
Sandman would probably be "too weird" for BTAS - early seasons it would feel out of place, and later seasons I don't think they would do it justice.
But I bet Brave and the Bold could have pulled it off very nicely - Brave and the Bold was "wacky" enough they could have transitioned straight into "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?"
I think it would have worked fine with the early tone of BTAS before the "more Robin" mandate. Batman only spends a little bit of time in The Dreaming, and with commercials each episode loses around like 7 minutes. That's enough time for a cold open of Batman being brutalized and going unconscious, him encountering Death and Morpheus up to the first commercial break, and the final part spent on showing him his impact. Leave most of the lore out of it, it's not needed for the story. The important thing is Batman is having a near-death experience, the beings that define reality/unreality and life/death (the line he straddles and the war he wages) for his universe visit him and allow him a chance to choose which of them he is more an agent of, and he chooses Morpheus. You don't even need any of the reality angle, just the "inspiring humanity vs. peace" angle. It's presented in the lore that each of the Endless define their realm and the inverse, and so Morpheus also defines reality. There's plenty to support that in story. So he and Death share an inverse, our realm. That also fits the lore. But Batman as a thing is directly spawned by an act of Death, straddles the real and the unreal, and is a being of the night beyond simply operating there but rather truly mastering it. At the same time, he endlessly fights for life but causes an endless wake of death in doing so because he won't kill. It basically is the same theme as "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader?", but from a perspective of "Batman gets offered an out by Death and Dream in what was most definitely a bet when he's being grouchy about humans, Batman refuses to quit".
It would've been cool to see that Catwoman spin off series happen in some manner or another. Especially if she wears that suit which has what I like best from both her BTAS and TNBA designs combined. Perhaps if HBO Max is interested in developing more DC exclusive series for it's services this can be the chance to revive the series at last in at least as a mini series. Heck if there's a DCAU animated movie in the works that's about Catwoman I'd watch it too especially if she wears that suit I've mentioned.
You missed out on some unmade episodes, with the scripts and synopsis out there online. The Midnight Hour, Mind Games, Vigil, Lo the Creeper! Razing Hellbane, Never Say Uncle... Some of these are on World's Finest Batman TAS while the first three can be found using script-o-rama and the wayback machine.
Not done with this series yet! Much more to come!
So well researched! Bravo, sir! But truly the real praise goes to that fantastic dad joke. ;)
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I hope for a season 3 of Harley quinn and having Baby Doll return to become a member of the team since Psycho is behind bars, and Baby Doll os my favorite episode of BTAS!
That Sandman/Death episode pitch sounds like the perfect fit for a Justice League(Unlimited) episode. Its criminally insane that this idea never blossomed into an episode of any sort in the DCEU. I imagine it would have the same feel and pacing as the “Epilogue” episode of JLU where it’s mostly Batman focused and acted as a conclusion to Batman Beyond and was also as “slow and metaphysical” as they tried to claim the pitch was....and fans loved it.
DCAU, you mean.
Another great video, guys! Love the bit about Bad Religion. Lol.
I hope you make a Jason Todd video. Thing like: Why wasn't he used in the series? Why did Tim Drake essentially got his origin?
We definitely will be following up our now outdated Vanishing Point episode about “Jason Todd doesn’t exist in the DCAU” after this comic series is over
They could make a dcau short or movie at least about one of these stories
I really think that the Nocturna one would slay as an animated movie. Since they recently have gone back to using DCAU models and the like for some of their films (Bvs.HQ, JLvs.tFF), I think the time is right to finally dust off that long-denied story.
For the Sandman one, I think they could pass it without even uttering the word Death. It's more believable that they had other priorities at the time.
I'd call 'Catwalk' an outlaw episode, considering she becomes an outlaw again in that episode.
This, combined with Gotham Adventures Issue 4.
Hearing about all of these lost episodes and spinoff shows that we could have gotten irks me a lot because they sound pretty cool.
Seeing the Catwoman animation cell makes me wish that Bruce Timm did/would do a Miss Fury series, with cameos by various Golden Age Public Domain heroes and villains. It would bypass any rights red-tape and give him a lot of freedom with what he gets to do (not to mention I love the idea of these old nearly forgotten superheroes' original fans, now little old men and women, finally getting to see their heroes come to life like they probably imagined after seeing the Fleischer Superman shorts) .
The Catwoman design did get used in the animated series in it's later seasons just with her eyes completely white
Yep, not exactly the same design but very close!
I would have loved the Batman and Nocturna episodes.
Oh my god, John Hurt as Morpheus wouldve been amazing
What a wasted potential:Dream and Death appearance in Btas could lead to Sandman animated series in DCAU
Would have made things way too ambitious and audience-alienating though.
Awesome episode. Nice job. I learned new info I didn't know!
Hey guys,speaking of Sandman have you ever watched the music video for Pearl Jam's Do The Evolution? It was directed by Kevin Altieri and it used the DCAU aesthetic (i think they reused Lex Luthor's model in shot in fact),and the goth girl that appears is based on DC's Death of the Endless
We have! So cool!
That Sandman episode would've been the best by far.
Wouldn't mind as well as all of us those episodes to were produced. Batman TAS crew has proven to me that they knew how to get the job done right.. soo yeah im sure those scrapped episodes would turn out amazing.
Batman after fighting through this entire rogue gallery and get shot and blown up barely hanging onto life
"uhhh not enough action pass."
How did I not see this video till now? Thank you youtube recommendations.
Wait, Paul Dini was a writer on Countdown?! As in, the notoriously awful Countdown?! THAT COUNTDOWN?!
You dare tarnish the name of Zeta?
@@maxalaintwo3578 Actually the infamous 'Countdown to Final Crisis' comic series
@@Ted-Kendrick Oh phew. I thought mans meant the episode of Beyond
Speaking of a alternative version of the Justice league where they are monsters like the vampire batman is called the Bat King.
Didn't expect to hear Lance's voice on this channel.
I would love to see that vampire episode. Also, extra cred for working with Comic Drake. He's one of my favs!
@@mattiesavannahpahl9934 would love to see you guys show up for one of his comic hang outs!
Very cool to hear these stories. I really wish the Sandman one got made. I think that's the coolest of them all so far.
"Whenever Robin's not around, all the writers should be asking "Where's Robin?" "
Therefore the hashtag #WheresNightwing
Does WB now own the original Adam West villains? I figure so since the _Batman '66_ comic existed but I know rights issues can be difficult.
Hell yeah back when I used to skateboard we listened to Bad Religion Against the Grain and recipe for hate suffer I really like that album
Would've loved to see those Riddler and Nocturna episodes.
John Hurt would have been AMAZING! as Dream
“ he’s looking at Alfred thinking god he looks really tasty “
AYE YO
Great video guys. And once again giving us some interesting info about Batman the animated series.
i would love to see them bring nocturna into the dcau.
like maybe she might show up in the batman adventures continue comic or they do a dcau movie with her as the main villain.
25:01 It seem that it was pitched a second time when the show was REVAMPED
8:25 best guest 10/10
Now that they have a streaming service they could do another season with these ideas a la Clone Wars season 7.
nice shirt.
Now that the series is more popular than ever, 2D animation is cheaper than ever, and the original series was already produced out of the correct order, Paul Dini and Bruce Timm could make a new season for HBO Max to fill-in some gaps (how certain characters first met, or their untold origin stories, for example) or include deeper concepts from deleted episodes.
The same could be made for Darkwing Duck in Disney+ BTW. That show was also produced out of order and featured several characters without an origin.
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Allen Burnett: Anyway, how is Bruce Wayne's sex life?
oh hi Mark
kinda funny that brave and the bold got away with a Vampire episode
Saw Azrael and clicked