We should all respect Lancia - The Carmudgeon Show Jason Cammisa & Derek Hyphen of ISSIMI Ep 88
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- Опубликовано: 20 мар 2023
- Derek Tam(Hyphen)Scott has waited for years for the chance to school Jason Cammisa on the importance of Lancia.
Now reduced to little more than a badge-job, Italian-market joke, Lancia was once an automotive powerhouse. Derek speaks with interest and precision about Lancia's storied history - as if he was there, personally.
It's a fascinating story that demonstrates just how incredible this Italian Automaker once was - and how resilient its spirit was. Once a champion of front-wheel drive rally cars, Lancia became part of the FIAT Group and was stripped of much of its core value. However, its desire to be a technical pioneer remained, and so Lancia continued to be untouchable in its racing efforts.
WRC (the World Rally Championship) might not be as popular in the United States as it is and was abroad, but Lancia's dominance here is unmatched.
When the ability of its front-wheel drive cars were threatened, Lancia created the first car ever to be purpose-built for Rally Racing and then adapted for street use. The mid-engined Lancia Stratos became an instant legend due to its immediate success.
However, when that success threatened parent-company Fiat's WRC standing, it was killed off so that Fiat could campaign its Fiat 131 WRC.
Lancia's never-dimmed spirit rose again with the outrageous 037, which was the last rear-wheel-drive car to ever win the World Rally Championship.
Left ultimately with an uncompetitive fwd corporate economy hatch, the Delta, Lancia set about creating a legend: the Delta Integrale would grow to become one of the most successful race cars in history, winning SIX consecutive World Rally Championships - something no other car has ever managed, before or since.
And this is just scratching the surface of Lancia's incredible history.
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The Carmudgeon Show stars automotive journalist Jason Cammisa and walking encyclopedia Derek Tam-Scott, and is part of the Hagerty Podcast Network. 
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Hyphen’s Lancia recital was out of this world! Mad respect
He needs another (hyphen)Wikipedia in his name.
Ditto!
I genuinely don't think there has ever been someone who knows so much about different cars as DTS does
(Re-listening to rectify a mentioned Lancia factoid)
Hyphen did have a Lancia BTS with DTS on ISSIMI a couple weeks prior, if not more considering the editing time, before this episode had aired.
18:45 "Even the Prius went on summer break and came back with tits"
Spilled my drink out and yes Carmudgeon show, thank you for not editing that line out.
Hahhaa! We'll see if it makes the edit in the ICONS video, is what I meant. Out here in the Carmudgeon Wilderness, anything goes. :)
@@JasonCammisa Do it. Do it. Do it ;D
I am so excited to see the GR Yaris get the ICONS treatment, and I am ecstatic to hear the BTS + DTS episode on the Stratos is finally coming out. I really thought that footage had gone missing and that we were never going to see the hyphen's take on the thing.
too bad the gry wasn't the lsd one
Yeah. GR with Torsen feels quite different. Hopefully Jason and Derek get another chance with GR Yaris and in the right conditions (snow or gravel).
I personally do not miss the GR Corolla not coming to EU but would like to understand why Jason likes the Corolla more. Yes the interior is better but lighter weight, cooler shape makes it more attractive for me.
I worked for Fiat/Lancia in Italy in the marketing department in the early 1990s. Back in the day there was no such thing as the EVO 2, as with the Ferrari Daytona...it was never officially known as this. There was the EVO or Evoluzione with its various limited editions and then there was the EVO/Evoluzione Cat which had the colour coded rain gutters and approx 10 more hp and even more limited editions - it was never marketed as the EVO 2. There was also the Evoluzine KAT, note the use of the 'K' - this was an 8V in the Evo body that was for the Swiss Market, the EVO Cat and the EVO Kat are 2 different cars and neither are an EVO 2....officially.
You know I miss Jason's singing. It was just fun.
Wooooo!
I agree.
This episode got me thinking: You've covered how a car's characteristics reflect where they are from, but what about how a car manufacturer reflects their founder's ethos, and have any stood the test of time? Does Bentley today reflect what W.O. Bentley had in mind in the early 1900's? Do Toyotas still align with Toyoda's original vision of the company? How would Enzo feel about the Ferrari merchandising empire that pays for F1 (aside from he would STILL hate his customers)?
Now I want to see Enzo brought back to life and shown Ferrari Land / World
Few corrections:
1) Toyota could only built 3 door Yaris without any engine, drivetrain or suspension changes to use it as a WRC car (they don't have to be shared with road cars since introduction of "World Rally Car" ruleset in 1997). So designers went out of their way to make Yaris more fun. It's build like almost like a group A homologation special, which is amazing for a such recent car.
2) In 1983 Lancia won manufacturer's title by very big margine. They were so far ahead that they haven't appeared in any rally after getting enough lead to secure manufacturer't title. They had only 2 points advantage when season closed but they missed 5 rounds during a season to save on cost. If they appeared in all rounds, there is no doubt Marku Allen and Walther Rohrl would finish ahead of Hannu Mikkola
3) Group A wasn't a new set of regulations. It was introduced alongside group B and C and used in touring car racing and rally since 1981. The case was that in WRC it was hidden in the shadow of group B monsters. Although some teams had factory entries, Audi even competed with 80 Quattro, although during its' most successful rally (it usually wasn't doing well against hot hatches and touring cars converted to rally), Audi told drivers to slow down because group A 80 was beating group B Quattro.
The GR Yaris is interesting because it's both a homologation car (so Toyota could run the 3 door silhouette in WRC, as you pointed out) and a rally-inspired street car like the WRX. I don't think any manufacturer has done that before. Also, it's weird to me that people think of the WRX as a rally car, but the car Subaru used for WRC homologation was a regular Impreza. The WRX was just a street car inspired by their rally program, and the STi trim was just an in-house tuner version of that, like an M or AMG car. So basically as much of a rally car as the GR Corolla is. Except that they actually started rallying WRX's nationally after it became its own chassis, but that's a different story.
@@jasonmoyer I think you're confusing WRC (World Rally Car class) with WRC (World Rally Championship series).
WRX started its' life in 1992 as the homologation special for '93 WRC season (555 was name only used due to sponsorship. Road going 555s weren't homologation cars but celebration of Subaru's first championship title). It was barebones as Subaru only installed those performance parts that were required for rally car homologation. So most of parts that could be swaped without homologation were kept same as base model (e.g. open front diff and steel wheels for most obvious examples), as these improvements would increase price. First STI versions were WRXs with those "ignored" improvements added in to create "complete" road car (more power, stiffer suspension, better brakes, LSDs etc.)
For the first 4 years (in which Impreza brought 2 WRC constructor and 1 driver championships) WRX was homologation car for the WRC under group A regulations, which required a lot of shared parts between road and rally car.
Switch to regular Impreza, that you focused on, happened in '97 with introduction of World Rally Car class. Under these regulations car didn't had to share almost anything other than basic chassis with homologated road car, so all manufacturers turned to their ordinary base models for new WRC machines (Ford wasstill using Cosworth, as it had different chassis than regular Escort and they just modified group A car to fit new WRC regulations). With these changes manufacturers could develop parts directly for WRC, without having to create road going performance trims and selling enough of them to get homologation. But even then "World Rally Car" Imprezas based on base model according to homologation, shared many parts with older group A variants. "Real" separation between WRC and road cars happened in '01 with bugeye WRC, which was first car Subaru built from scratch under "world rally car" specification.
And even after switch to WRC regulations in '97 (or for '01 in case of Mitsubishi), EVO and WRX/STI were more than "rally inspired" road models, as they were used in group N rallies (for a long time before Subaru separated WRX and Impreza names) by both privateer and factory supported teams all around the globe.
@@gameboyterrorysta6307 Oh geeze. Yeah, for some reason I was thinking the Impreza didn't come in until 97 and that the Group A cars were all Legacies. Thanks for the correction.
And 4) Fiat 131 Abarth won not 2 but 3 WRC’s, 1977, 78 and 1980 (Walter Röhrl)
P.s. Last WRC homologation hatch before Yaris GR was escort rs cosworth.
Holy Open Differential! Hyphen’s insanely granular knowledge around this brand, its cars, and the history intermingling with Fiat and Ferrari… and this is all inclusive, racing and road cars!!!
This is one of my favourite Carmudgeon podcast episodes you guys have done! As a huge fan of Lancia and WRC, I love listening about the brand and rallying (especially from Americans, since neither are as popular there as they are in Europe or other parts of the world) and Derek's immense knowledge paired with Jason's way of presenting just sells this one. This is one for my rewatch list!
The level of detail on the whiteboard shows your cars are so well maintained, the fact so many of the details are alignment and long term maintenance or upgrades shows the level of love they get.
I know you've covered Lancia stuff before (been watching you guys since the ISSIMI days...I *still* want to purchase one of those Lancia Delta rally wheel t-shirts that Jason came up with!), but thanks for doing this particular show you guys. I deeply enjoyed it and brought back soooo many memories of my various adventures and Lancia Club events in a variety of Lancia. I was a *huge* rally fan in the early to late 80's (I was lucky enough to see the Delta S4 on maximum attack during the '86 Olympus Rally, what an absolutely *intense* machine). I've been a Lancia owner for 40 years (and a Lancia history buff...loved following along with DTS and chiming in with all the same Lancia history notes/stories) and some of my most cherished life memories have been in my Scorpions (in my early years 🙄) with back road drives *all* over the bay area and northern California, Lancia club tours, rallying, track days, etc. I've enjoyed experiences in a number of different models over the years from pre-war (though only a Lambda) to the 50-60's classics to the Beta era with Fiat (of which I'm most familiar given my Scorpions). Reflecting on all of it over the last four decades through this particular show was immensely memorable for me and I genuinely appreciate it. Over all your various shows, I've especially enjoyed all your back road drive stories as I've covered virtually all of those same roads over the years on various performance drives, club tours, rallies, etc. and lived some of the same moments you've both described at one point or another. It brings such a smile to my face. I especially miss the back road drives with fellow car enthusiasts, but after starting a family 20+ years ago, priorities had to shift and I only get occasional opportunities to keep the rust off. At least I've managed to inspire my daughter, since she was very young, to enjoy a good hot run on a back road. We subsequently gave her the moniker of 'gravity girl' when she was little since she would giggle hysterically whenever we'd go around a corner or hustle a bit on a windy road. Cherished memories, those. But hey, here I am waxing sentimental. Being a nuts and bolts geek, I also love the detailed engineering content you guys talk about too. Please continue as I for one am *not* bored by the engineering minutiae! I'm very much looking forward to retirement hopefully in the next few years to pick back up on those deeply missed weekend back road drives again. Since you guys are local I would greatly enjoy participating in a drive with your group one day if it's not a private gathering. Otherwise, thank you for the memories, the laughs, the entertainment, and please keep up the great content. I look forward to your forthcoming material. 👍😁
Good timing on this! After spending 20 years focused on the first gen Subaru Impreza, last week I became a proud American owner of an ‘88 Integrale 8v. You guys mentioned the stock Integrale feeling like a WRX and that is very accurate.
Fantastic episodes. One of my favorite from recent memory. Really love the history and storytelling.
And other than Jason’s M1 reference it was almost totally BMW free.
THE SINGING IS BACK!!!!!❤❤❤
And that wasn't a half bad harmony.
@@BlindIo42 100%! 😂🥹
When I learned about the history of Lancia in the interwar period, I was blown away. They were doing incredibly cutting edge, innovative stuff in the twenties and thirties.
My dad had a Lancia Dedra 2.0 i.e. in the early 90’s. Unremarkable fwd 4 doors (shared platform with the Alfa 155 and the Fiat Tipo/Tempra but looked very different inside/re were however some elements of greatness in these otherwise disposable cars. That 4 cylinder engine (8v - 117 hp only), had a charisma and an sound never found on any other 4 cylinders later on. The car felt special to drive despite its pedestrian roots. At the time Lancia also made interesting gems such as the Thema 8.32 that was utterly magic, you just need to see one and sit in one.
17:45 The 22b was not a homologation special. 100% marketing, 0% homologation. They used regular narrow body coupes to homologate the WRCar.
There’s a couple things they said that was off.
WRC did not stop Group B in the middle of 1986. It was announced in the middle of 1986 and went into effect in 1987. The last WRC Group B rally was the last event of the 1986 season, the Olympus Rally in WA state.
Group B rallying Also carried on in the Middle East championship.
I would comment that the Nissan Sunny GTi-R and Corolla WRC ( E110) were quite significant homologated rally cars of the late 90s early 00s. And huge props on the Lancia history lesson! I used to be in the Italian car restoration field and I always saw Lancia on another level.
South Africa is also getting the GR corolla but in limited numbers. And we have the GR Yaris already
Number 27 published a video on Lancia recently that's a nice complement to this discussion.
He’s not too picky on his fact-checking sadly..
Once again Derek totally amaze me!
On the GR Yaris: If it is a 2022 MY from Mexico it is a non-Circuit version. If it is a MY 2023 it is the Circuit Pack with the LSDs.
The LSDs make a completely different car, so it is the package you have got to have, but it was not available here the first year due to high demand in Europe.
Without it, the Yaris is still amazing but understeers like almost any other traverse engine hot-hatch. With it, just awesome
PS: if your had de Dunlops it was a 2022 w/o LSD.
Great show, from a fellow auto journalist in Mexico. 🙌🏻
Let's not forget about Ing. Nicola Materazzi, the father of the F40, who was working at Lancia and was responsible for the Stratos engineering.
And was also involved with the 037 too.Legend
Appreciate the recognition of Lancia and using their vehicles to judge the latest and greatest.
This podcasts are awesome
Aren't showy
Feels Bubbly and are fun
Thank you guys
The zoom in on Jason at the end was literal perfection.
SEAT also used versions of the Lampredi engine!
Loved hearing DTS talk about Lancia and their history. Very well done
GR Yaris is a honest-to-God real homologation car from 2024 onwards. Toyota’s rally2 (class lower than the top class like Group A was vs Group B) class car is based on it. They’re testing that car now, you can find RUclips videos of those tests.
Side note: European safty inspections can be a pain in the ass. I didnt pass it because my 2005 Alfa Romeo had LED numberplate lights and the guy said in his gouverment burocrat voice "tHiS wErE nOt OEM" so I had go home, order new (old) ones, wait 3 days and drive again to the test center, pay again and waste another hour of my life
@59:00 the Alfa Romeo Gulia GTA and the very last Renault Megane RS Trophy don't have back seats, just an FYI.
I think the only thing that can keep up with that 2 seater Corolla is the GRMN Yaris. That is a Japan only special sadly. If you ever make it to Poland, maybe I'll let you take a ride in my circuit pack GR Yaris just to see if you like the proper one better than the Corolla. 😁
P.S. Yaris is definitely a giant killer on track days over here in Europe with little to no mods.
Thanks yet again for sharing.
i just watched the icons on the yaris. such a great video, the production level of jason's videos is outstanding and it's nice to hear some of the bts of that video after watching it and not the other way around as it usually is. and of course the amount of knowledge derek has never ceases to amaze!
I have a sneaking suspicion the Prius is going to make a good account of itself on the track. I could be wrong, but.....
Malaysia(& I think much of southeast asia) gets both GR Yaris & GR Corolla, & both are available in Japan, of course
Great episode! So fun to hear the banter and wonder what obscure fact will emerge from the Hyphen mind next. This episode reminded me of my first ride in the back seat of an upmarket Yaris in rural Norway (my friend felt as if she made the ranks of the elites) and the time I almost bought a used Lancia while living in the Colorado Rockies, but opted for a Saab 900 Turbo instead. Thanks for the memories.
My very first car was indeed a Lancia. Although just a 1999 Y 1.2 16V elefantino rosso. Black with dark blue Alcantara seats and dashboard. When my dad and I went to our first youngtimer meeting in our Supra we met some fellow Supra owners there. One of them is a driving school owner (he uses his mk3 Supra as a driving school car) that also has experience owning Alpine A110 and such cars. A friend mechanic he knows apparently worked on racing Lancias and he told the driving teacher: If you ever buy a Thema 8.32, Delta or anything we're no longer friends :-D
The Lancia description at the end of the episode sounds like a definition of TVR but much more refined.
As my profile picture suggests I really enjoyed this episode
Thats some great fact-stacking by Hyphen!!
Just ONE thing, Fiat 131 Abarth won 3 championships (not 2). 1977, 1978 & 1980 with Walter Röhrl.
Interesting enough the 16V Lampredi engine in the 131/037/S4 was actually already in the 124 Abarth Rally in 1974, competing with the Stratos.
"My inability to pay attention to modern stuff" Right there with ya'.
I owned a 323GTX and have been co-driver in a bunch more. I have also helped build a GTX rally car and worked on a bunch more. (I now have an Integrale (actually two).) The gearboxes are a little fragile but the guys that I have co-driven for in them never broke the gearbox. The road cars are great and under valued. But they are based on a 323 hatchback and 30+ year old hatchback shell can be kinda bendy.
Yay! The Lancia episode!!!
A Really Great Episode, Thanks.
I live in Pittsburgh, and had classic plates on my 80 series Land Cruiser, and I can confirm that you now need a safety inspection even for a registered classic. Antiques, however, do not.
First "super" hatch for rally was Talbot sunbeam with lotus engine and rwd.
I've been waiting since I discovered the podcast for a Lancia episode! ❤
Great episode! Wish i could have heard it before i shot an 88 delta hf integrale that we sold at work.
Funny thing about the 323 gtx's being hard to find, I go to school with a guy who has 3 of them. There's the rusty beater, the fully caged rally car, and the nice rust free one that never sees rain.
Does he also have 3 girlfriends in a similar spec?
11:35!! COSSAH
Specifically the Escort RS Cosworth, it was a Sierra underneath but it was a homologation special and relatively successful.
You can’t snub that, surely.
Typing this as I’m listening but hope it gets a mention
As much as I loved the escort cos worth ford shoot themselves in the leg by pretty much stopping developing it at the start of 1994. Damn thing was also riddled with reliability problems. Poor Malcolm Wilson was going through gearboxes left and right 😂😂.
@@jt-hb8lh The road car was supposedly a revelation or a complete disappointment depending on who you ask as well, Matt Prior gave it a right beating comparing it to the Mk1 Focus RS which made it feel by comparison a soft shed of a car. Then you have Vicky from Fifth Gear who loved it and Clarkson, of course, who had two of em in period.
The Mk1 RS is also an interesting case because it was a tuner special meant to celebrate the WRC success the Focus was having while they were cheating the pants out of the competition 😅
@@Petrospect There is one here where I live a mk1 RS. The guy has it since new. I use to see it all the time but it's a bit of a garage queen now 😂.
Really happy they doing a lancia episode sweeeeeet
Omg 🤣The first time I actually recognize a song Jason sings (I'm 23)
SERIOUSLY?! A Frank Sinatra song? I'm going to have to start singing Megan Trainor for you aren't I?
@@JasonCammisa 🤣🤣🤣 Heck, I didn't even know it until about a week ago when a post about an attractive woman with no legs showed how she did push ups, and reddit mods had to delete all the comments. So it was a post about the vanity of men while the song says "For what is a man?".
Also, modern pop songs are an abomination and I refuse to listen to them (unless it's in my social media feed, then I don't have a choice but to hear clips).
Most powerful three cylinder, except the Konisegg TFG. Not sure that's in a production car yet though
I've seen the videos of it running on their test track, but I'm not aware that it has fun at full RPM yet while mounted in the prototype Gemera. I read that Koenigsegg has taken deposits on the entire planned production run of the Gemera, but they have yet to deliver any of them, so there should be a big asterisk on the claimed 600hp of their 2 liter, 3-cylinder engine.
Regarding your comment about the Stratos not being sold in the UK. The famous racing driver Gerry Marshall used to get them in his showroom - Marshall-Wingfield in North London. As schoolboys we would go there noses up against the glass looking at Datsun 260Z Samurais, Stratos's and Droop Snoot Firenzas - Marshall was racing a Droop Snoot with a 5 litre Chevy Engine called Baby Bertha at the time in the Touring Car championship. Still the only Stratos's I have seen in real life.
What I don't get about California is they are super strict on emissions, but are fine with you driving around puking every automotive fluid known to man into the storm drains.
@58:54 There is a Renault Megane RS Trophy-R in Europe that is also a 4 door hatch with only the front seats.
PLEASE I BEG YOU do an episode on the Nissan Bluebird SSS-R Attesa 4wd, it had the sr20det in some iterations, and it has a cool but mostly unknown rally history. I owned a 1990 Nissan Stanza, which was the American market version of the Bluebird.
box flares - thank you
For all those interested in a Lancia after watching this, TopRank has one for sale soon. They’re well know JDM/Skyline importers so was pleasantly surprised to see a Lancia coming to market
Yay More Jason Singing!
Great content and love the Lancia stuff they are such a odd brand for most Americans.
Re: Corolla Morizo, the Jaguar XE something of the late 20Teens had 4 doors and no back seat. They welded in a cage instead. It was specifically built to cheat/take away the title of Fastest 4 Door Car In The World from the Giulia Quadrifoglio.
There's also a 323/Familia GTR homologation version that's more hard-core than the GTX..
Can you share a folder containing all the insert photos for listeners who are not checking the video? Thanks!
@Derek the Martini 6 like the 5 is also an Evo1. Not an Evo2.
I remember going to a track day years ago where another participant had brought a Lancia Monte Carlo. Lovely car, but probably hadn't had enough prep work done on it. Poor guy couldn't make it through a 30 minute session at Putnam Park without the car having an issue.
More Lancia content pls
Saving this for laundry tonight
we need timestamps for these podcasts!
Alfa Romeo used the Lampredi engine in its 155 Q4 turbo touring car with the integrale's 16V turbo
There is no official statements yet but Toyota South Africa imported a bunch of GR Corollas, presumably for their national GR tournament which uses Yaris and 86.
When FIA has changed the production number limit in Gr.4 for the 1975 season from 500 to 400 Lancia immediately stopped manufacturing the Stratoses after 493 examples. They didn't bother themselves to build the remaining 7 units to complete the original production plans!
Anyway not the Stratos was the one and only model which wasn't built by the time of the FIA homologation process. I've seen other homologation forms which has been released earlier than the actual production of the specified amount has been finished. I guess FIA also evaluated a car as built if the manufacturer was able to present certain components (i.e. running gear, chassis) of the cars by that time.
What's scary is how many vehicles on the road are like that odyssey
Fuck yea Lancia episode!
I wish the GR Yaris were a real homologation car, if only because it would mean we'd also have AWD versions of the Fiesta and i20N.
58:57 Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio gtam is a 4door sports sedan with only 2 seats
Was the Isuzu Impulse RS a homolagation special?
Before I was driving age, I'd be at the bus stop in my neighborhood every morning to get to school - the school bus picked up at the same place as the municipal bus. Every morning I would wonder which one of this couple would be dropped off at the bus stop - because 1 of their 2 Betas was always broken (hubby and wife had two Betas as their only cars). It was neat talking to them and learning about the cars - but I vowed never to own one. That said....someone handed me an Integrale I wouldn't be looking that gift horse in the mouth :D
does anyone have a link to the jeremy clarkson video? about the lancia 037
ruclips.net/video/pzPhOcF0gR8/видео.html
I would be interested in this too
ruclips.net/video/pzPhOcF0gR8/видео.html here
Anyone could please help me to find that Clarkson recreation of the drunken lunch?
- I'm not sure about the Ritmo being a completely uninteresting economy car. The TC and Abarth versions shouldn't be that horrible. I mean, it's quite close in its basics to what a Golf GTI was back then.
- A 3 door Yaris with the fastbacked body shell of the GR is being sold in Japan with FWD and a NA 1.5 l engine. (Maybe with the "same" 3 cylinder block?) So they try to get a bit more money out of it, and not keeping it as a homologation-special only thing.
- I've read people joking about 2022 european new car sales numbers: 41 041 Lancias and 33 048 Alfas were sold.
- If being a sporty model is not a must-have feature, there are some 5 door hatchbacks turned into 2 seat little commercial vehicles still on sale today in Europe.
Mk4 Renault Megane RS Trophy R 5 doors 2 seats. And almost as good as the mk3 because they ditched to sketchy rear stear system.
You're late! Now I have to reschedule my viewing time. Some of us are busy and depend on you. Where is our relationship going? Oh well, I can't stay mad. I love you anyway. 😃
Was the Stratos prototype used as the Pink Panther car?
I can't recall this episode but what I sure know the Stratos Zero (the original prototype from 1970) was used in Michael Jackson's Moonwalker movie and it was still futuristic more than one and a half decade later.
The designs of Marcello Gandini from that period were so emblematic (Lamborghini Marzal 1967, Alfa Romeo Carabo 1968, Lancia Stratos Zero 1970, Lamborghini Countach 1971, Lancia Stratos HF 1971) . Similar in many ways but still easy to distinguish them. And this series of cars came less than 2 years after the Miura which is also his brainchild.
RE: 30 Monte Carlo. Don't forget the road salt cheat.
Feels like making the criteria homologation hatchback eliminated a number of homologation cars. Celica is a liftback, but a worthy competitor.
I think there are no inspections in CA because it would put even more of a financial burden on the poor people to maintain their cars and they might not be able to get to work for rich people.
It is interesting that Jason makes reference to the great Jeremy Clarkson, who was clearly the best motoring journalist 20 years ago. Jason has clearly gone on to become so much more relevant than JC ever was.
D-T-S - perhaps the only motoring journalist who can fact[hyphen]check his own words...
LO(hyphen)L
@derek Simple way to tell Evo 1 / 2 is the distributor, Evo 2's don't have one. Neither should a real Martini 5 or 6.
Hyphen “I don’t have any google on me right now”
Jason 🙊
Mazda should take note of Lancia's history/demise. And Saab
So, what would it take to smuggle a GR Yaris in from Mexico?
The Impreaza STi hatchback in 2008-9 was too similar in design to Integrale.
Wait.. someone has TWO integrales? I'm doing something wrong with my life 😢
Yeeeaaasss
So what should I buy next? All in sort of the same price range here where I live in Austria, all manual: Sort of new: GRYaris 38-45k€, GR86 45-48k€, a few years old: AWD Focus RS 31-37k€, M240i xdrive 37k€??? 😂😂😂