Don't use rigid connectors unless you make your pedals literally unmovable. Normal velctro won't do the trick, as the hook and loop construction allows still a tiny bit of movement. Those tiny movements are a problem, as your jacks are normaly directly soldered to the PCB of your pedal (some older or boutique pedals have the jacks connected with wires to the PCB, but those are rare nowadays). Any movement does stress on those solder joints and they can break or become unstable. And movement will happen with velcro as the are called stompboxes for a reason. There is industrial strength tape with little mushrooms hooking into each other. Called 'dual lock' by 3M or 'PowerGrip' from PowerAll or similar. There are other locking systems, like special plates and so on. But whetever you do: Don't use rigid connectors on a board which uses normal velcro.
This comment needs to be higher. Rigid coupler type connectors have no give and can wreck the input and output jacks of a pedal. Spend the extra two dollars and get something that won't require a visit to the repair shop down the line.
I agree. It has been a while since I made the video but I think I make mention of the fact that couplers can damage your pedals. If not, take these guys advice :D
If you really want to learn about patch cables, look up 79 cables tested on RUclips. Excellent source of info. I use EBS Gold flat and they don't rate real well but I have approximately 15 on my board and they work fantastic for over a yr now. 13 pedals on my board and hookups for 4 off the board including tap tempo. No problems w/ noise, space, movement or in transporting board around town.
@@GuitarPickZone I came back to say after 3-4 yrs of use I've NEVER had any problem with any of these. Including the 1's just laying around in my music room. No marks on the gold plating, no tone loss, no cables not working even the 1 I accidentally sliced. Threw some electrical tape around the cut and use whenever I need it. I bought these in groups of 6 to 10 at a time, made offer to seller and ended up getting each size at $6 to 7 each. 1 of the best pieces of equipment I ever bargained for. So happy with these cause I don't even think about these being a problem anymore.
buy one of each i did best is ebs hands down gold or silver or high perfomance bass player never get the respect ebs is a big big brand but for bass players so whith this item for both guitar bass guitar players are blind to how big ebs is ebs pedals retail for 300£ made for bass players there acustic pedal for up right bass acoustic is the bomb im multi talented i write play all instruments somewhat
Mogami patch cables can be made for a fraction of the price provided you know how and have the equipment to solder. *Markerteck* Mogami W2524 - $1.05 per foot Neutrik NP2RX-B Mono Right Angle 1/4 Inch Plug with Gold Contacts - $5.99 ea
Right now all of my cables are Monster Cable my father got them for my brother & I to use & advertise when we started out. My dad's retired & doesn't have the ability to get them I assume if they even make them anymore? Once they're connected nothing moves that doesn't have too.
Excellent Video, I have been looking for some replacement Cables, it's been a while since I have bought any so this Video really helped me to see what's out there. Thank you 👍👍👍. Take care. Melbourne, Australia.
My 40 years of experience as a professional audio engineer/musician is that sometimes the high quality high price cables are overkill. One of my credos is that it’s only rich people who can afford to buy cheap stuff, because they can afford to buy another, if it fails. Of course I prefer to use the Mogami/Neutrik cables I carefully soldered myself, but… You have to consider the context. There are different aspect if you buy/make a 20 feet cable for a running-around-throwing-the-guitar-up-in-the-air-guitarist as opposed to a short patch cable that lies in a “permanent” position, only affected by the vibrations during transport. I’ve use a lot of low budget molded-end cables on keyboard rigs, mixers, pedal boards and even on no-board set ups, without a hitch. And I’ve had (store bought) high-end cables fail during gigs. So it’s not that clear cut. And it’s also important to realise that electrical cables/wires are designed to withstand pulling and twisting forces. And it takes a lot more material to withstand pulling and twisting forces than it does to pass electrical current. The stiff "installation" cables used for solder-less connections are a special case. The gist being to avoid twisting and/or bending it "excessively". If a cable comes from reasonably serious cable manufacturer it will carry your signal just fine. The critical points are the connections between the cables and the plugs. I won’t go into the finer points of the capacitance/inductance…, “breaking in” debate. My main point is that if it passes audio and it sounds good, it is good. And if you make a set-and-forget installation on a pedalboard, you will, most likely, get by just fine using even the cheapest cable from a reputable dealer. But shit happens, sometimes twice😉
there not new ebs make bass pedals 300£ pedals and bass amps they number 1 brand for bass players all bass players know them they cater to the bass market but these cables cater to both bass and guitar market they make quality pedals they know the pedals needs in cables where as erni ball knows stings
These cables have been on my board for over 4 years. So for me , my proof is reliable in every situation so far. EBS has proven its value to me. None of the gold has worn down on any of the cables. I have many of all the sizes.
Yeah they're definitely not cheap. But in my experience I'd rather pay up for something I know will stand the test of time as opposed to skimping on cheaper cables and landing up spending more replacing them.
Yeah, you look at a 6 inch cable that costs almost as much as a ten foot cable, and it's annoying. Problem is, the cable part is the cheapest part of the whole cable.
And if you care to know, I've been using EBS for 4yrs on my board and around in my music room. No problems ever. Even 1 that I sliced a nick in the rubber. How I got these was I picked the size and made a offer to the seller to get about a dollar fifty off the price per piece. So ordering 10 at a time I was getting them for about $7 a piece for the 4" . Up to about $9 a piece for the 28"s. I still got some brand new untouched. And picked up some others shorts from other companies cheap so when that other guy who never brings enough of their own gear says "Can I use a couple of those?" That way I don't lose the 1's I like. Also I used a crazy nail polish color on everything I own. Just a drop in a hidden place is my identification mark. Mark you own stuff so your broke ass friends don't end up with your equipment..
Dam I thought EBS would be number 1 because they are the flattest and gold plated? Thanks for the video though. I had no idea MXR even made patch cables!
Thanks so much! To be honest the EBS could very well be number 1! They are indeed great cables and made a strong contender. I still rate them highly and would always recommend them :D
mx r cant be number one they have cobra heads any cable with cobra heads if you have quality pedals tthey have 2 ins and outs side by side heads dont fit next to each head they head butt thats why ebs number 1 you can actually use them on every pedal
@@joemom1012 I would agree. I have a lot of those types of patch cables that I’m going to be selling since I too have realized that xD I use mostly Rockford cables now, but the quality from EBS is unmatched!
Meanwhile, me with the cheap Aliexpress patch cables.😊 All my patch cables are from Aliexpress, can’t beat it for the price, but I do wonder if the more expensive brands are worth the money.
Every cable I have patch and instrument has gold ends because they sound better than silver to me. I can hear the difference. My cables cost me about $250 and worth it to me. I get a very transparent pure sound.
You've tricked yourself into thinking you can hear a difference lol. You probably spend $100 on an HDMI cable too because you swear you can see a difference 🤣.
@@StackBundle Yes, If you can't hear the difference then obviously don't waste your money but those who can will always justify spending more. There are a few people who buy more expensive cables because they think it sounds better but there are others who hear it sounds better.
Hey! They are pretty much the same thing The only difference is the length of the cable. Patch cables are generally a lot shorter than regular guitar cables. Hope that answers your question :)
@@GuitarPickZone I have a follow up question to that: if the patch cable is long/close enough to be connected to the amp, can I use it to do so or I must use a guitar cable to connect everything to the amp? Thanks
Nutrix cable connectors if you can solder these are extremely quiet well made built like a tank from NASA, Hahahahahaha . Use microphone cable take the extra line for an extra ground keep your cables from becoming an antenna which in turn makes it extremely quiet ! Don't take my word ? look it up ☆...
What exactly are the criteria (and measurment) for these recommendations? I have some EBS cables you recommended. But they can be problematic. I wish there were more tests like this one ruclips.net/video/u548vUk6mmE/видео.html
Hey Clemens. So to answer your question, I only recommend products that I have personally tried. All my reviews are essentially my personal opinion. I understand and accept that many other guitar players have different opinions. I've been playing since 2005 and I've tried a lot of different gear so I review only gear that I've used. Hope that clears things up! I'm curious to know the problems you've experienced with your EBS cables?
@@GuitarPickZone Yes, I was curious about that too. You didn't really answer the question though. I get that it's your personal opinion, but did you use some sort of rating system, or you just thought "these are better than that one" etc?
Why can’t these connecters be straight ,instead of them being bent on the plug in. Like this ------------- Instead of this |______________| But let it wire in the middle then plug
MXR huh? I take it your sponsored by MXR. There's no other way you could have put it ahead of ANY of the others. How bout some hard science? Capacitance in pfrad, microphonics on scope, REAL VALUES, ACTUAL DATA. Try that sometime, and FYI mogami doesn't score so well in the patch cable department at all, they fell behind a number of "cheap brands"..... Science. It's what we use when we're serious.
Lol ok thanks for that bud. My reviews are based on personal preference nothing more and nothing less. If I were sponsored by MXR I doubt I'd be here doing this. Have an epic weekend :)
Don't use rigid connectors unless you make your pedals literally unmovable. Normal velctro won't do the trick, as the hook and loop construction allows still a tiny bit of movement. Those tiny movements are a problem, as your jacks are normaly directly soldered to the PCB of your pedal (some older or boutique pedals have the jacks connected with wires to the PCB, but those are rare nowadays). Any movement does stress on those solder joints and they can break or become unstable. And movement will happen with velcro as the are called stompboxes for a reason. There is industrial strength tape with little mushrooms hooking into each other. Called 'dual lock' by 3M or 'PowerGrip' from PowerAll or similar. There are other locking systems, like special plates and so on. But whetever you do: Don't use rigid connectors on a board which uses normal velcro.
This comment needs to be higher. Rigid coupler type connectors have no give and can wreck the input and output jacks of a pedal. Spend the extra two dollars and get something that won't require a visit to the repair shop down the line.
I agree. It has been a while since I made the video but I think I make mention of the fact that couplers can damage your pedals. If not, take these guys advice :D
@@GuitarPickZone what is couplers?
@@satchrules101 those 2 plug jacks that have no cable in between. They're inflexible and will damage your pedals
Totally agree with you. Those rigid couplers have no business being on anybodys pedalboard.
I use planet waves patch cable and guitar cable almost 3 years,good quality and quiet too.
If you really want to learn about patch cables, look up 79 cables tested on RUclips. Excellent source of info. I use EBS Gold flat and they don't rate real well but I have approximately 15 on my board and they work fantastic for over a yr now. 13 pedals on my board and hookups for 4 off the board including tap tempo. No problems w/ noise, space, movement or in transporting board around town.
Thanks for the info!
@@GuitarPickZone I came back to say after 3-4 yrs of use I've NEVER had any problem with any of these. Including the 1's just laying around in my music room. No marks on the gold plating, no tone loss, no cables not working even the 1 I accidentally sliced. Threw some electrical tape around the cut and use whenever I need it. I bought these in groups of 6 to 10 at a time, made offer to seller and ended up getting each size at $6 to 7 each. 1 of the best pieces of equipment I ever bargained for. So happy with these cause I don't even think about these being a problem anymore.
buy one of each i did best is ebs hands down gold or silver or high perfomance bass player never get the respect ebs is a big big brand but for bass players so whith this item for both guitar bass guitar players are blind to how big ebs is ebs pedals retail for 300£ made for bass players there acustic pedal for up right bass acoustic is the bomb im multi talented i write play all instruments somewhat
Mogami patch cables can be made for a fraction of the price provided you know how and have the equipment to solder.
*Markerteck*
Mogami W2524 - $1.05 per foot
Neutrik NP2RX-B Mono Right Angle 1/4 Inch Plug with Gold Contacts - $5.99 ea
I might give this a go, thanks for the details! Any tips?
Right now all of my cables are Monster Cable my father got them for my brother & I to use & advertise when we started out. My dad's retired & doesn't have the ability to get them I assume if they even make them anymore? Once they're connected nothing moves that doesn't have too.
Thanks for this! A really nice breakdown.
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent Video, I have been looking for some replacement Cables, it's been a while since I have bought any so this Video really helped me to see what's out there.
Thank you 👍👍👍.
Take care.
Melbourne, Australia.
Hi John, glad I could help :) Hope your quest to find some new patch cables is a success down under!
Guitar Pick Zone Thank you, Happy Holidays. 👍
Take care.
NSW rules. Hahaha. ✌️🇦🇺
@@castleanthrax1833 👍👍👍
My 40 years of experience as a professional audio engineer/musician
is that sometimes the high quality high price cables are overkill.
One of my credos is that it’s only rich people who can afford to buy cheap stuff,
because they can afford to buy another, if it fails.
Of course I prefer to use the Mogami/Neutrik cables I carefully soldered myself, but…
You have to consider the context.
There are different aspect if you buy/make a 20 feet cable for a
running-around-throwing-the-guitar-up-in-the-air-guitarist
as opposed to a short patch cable that lies in a “permanent” position,
only affected by the vibrations during transport.
I’ve use a lot of low budget molded-end cables on
keyboard rigs, mixers, pedal boards
and even on no-board set ups, without a hitch.
And I’ve had (store bought) high-end cables fail during gigs.
So it’s not that clear cut.
And it’s also important to realise that electrical cables/wires
are designed to withstand pulling and twisting forces.
And it takes a lot more material to withstand pulling and twisting forces
than it does to pass electrical current.
The stiff "installation" cables used for solder-less connections are a special case.
The gist being to avoid twisting and/or bending it "excessively".
If a cable comes from reasonably serious cable manufacturer it will carry your signal just fine.
The critical points are the connections between the cables and the plugs.
I won’t go into the finer points of the capacitance/inductance…, “breaking in” debate.
My main point is that if it passes audio and it sounds good, it is good.
And if you make a set-and-forget installation on a pedalboard, you will, most likely,
get by just fine using even the cheapest cable from a reputable dealer.
But shit happens, sometimes twice😉
How do you know that the EBS cables "Stand the test of time"? They're a reletively new product.
there not new ebs make bass pedals 300£ pedals and bass amps they number 1 brand for bass players all bass players know them they cater to the bass market but these cables cater to both bass and guitar market they make quality pedals they know the pedals needs in cables where as erni ball knows stings
These cables have been on my board for over 4 years. So for me , my proof is reliable in every situation so far. EBS has proven its value to me. None of the gold has worn down on any of the cables. I have many of all the sizes.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the MXR are just rebranded Hosa cables.
Lol! I wouldn't be surprised if the whole music instrument industry is just rebranded
The EBS cables look like the clear winner for me. Thing is, they’re $10 for a single cable here, so they’re not cheap
Yeah they're definitely not cheap. But in my experience I'd rather pay up for something I know will stand the test of time as opposed to skimping on cheaper cables and landing up spending more replacing them.
@@GuitarPickZone Very good point, I agree
Yeah, you look at a 6 inch cable that costs almost as much as a ten foot cable, and it's annoying. Problem is, the cable part is the cheapest part of the whole cable.
@@GuitarPickZone they are cheap when you pay 14 for an Ernie ball and they are not useable in this catagory
And if you care to know, I've been using EBS for 4yrs on my board and around in my music room. No problems ever. Even 1 that I sliced a nick in the rubber. How I got these was I picked the size and made a offer to the seller to get about a dollar fifty off the price per piece. So ordering 10 at a time I was getting them for about $7 a piece for the 4" . Up to about $9 a piece for the 28"s. I still got some brand new untouched. And picked up some others shorts from other companies cheap so when that other guy who never brings enough of their own gear says "Can I use a couple of those?" That way I don't lose the 1's I like. Also I used a crazy nail polish color on everything I own. Just a drop in a hidden place is my identification mark. Mark you own stuff so your broke ass friends don't end up with your equipment..
Dam I thought EBS would be number 1 because they are the flattest and gold plated?
Thanks for the video though. I had no idea MXR even made patch cables!
Thanks so much! To be honest the EBS could very well be number 1! They are indeed great cables and made a strong contender. I still rate them highly and would always recommend them :D
mx r cant be number one they have cobra heads any cable with cobra heads if you have quality pedals tthey have 2 ins and outs side by side heads dont fit next to each head they head butt thats why ebs number 1 you can actually use them on every pedal
@@joemom1012 I would agree. I have a lot of those types of patch cables that I’m going to be selling since I too have realized that xD
I use mostly Rockford cables now, but the quality from EBS is unmatched!
Fantastic video, thanks !
Sequence cables are very good cables
Hi. MXR 3PDCPR06 Ribbon Patch Cable...are they good quality and quiet?
Meanwhile, me with the cheap Aliexpress patch cables.😊
All my patch cables are from Aliexpress, can’t beat it for the price, but I do wonder if the more expensive brands are worth the money.
The 'World's Best Cable' six pack of 6-inch patch cables for $32.95 on Amazon is definitely the best deal out there. They are made with Mogami cable.
Indeed! They are great value for money and the quality os top notch.
The plugs are too wide for most stereo pedals sadly.
@@stevechance4422 Precisely my concern...but they offer an Amphenol connector that should work well.
@@stevechance4422they released a new mini connector that works for stereo connections and the amphenanol connectors are industry standard as well
New at this, does this works also with guitar?
Thank You Great Advice..
My pleasure!
Every cable I have patch and instrument has gold ends because they sound better than silver to me. I can hear the difference. My cables cost me about $250 and worth it to me. I get a very transparent pure sound.
You've tricked yourself into thinking you can hear a difference lol. You probably spend $100 on an HDMI cable too because you swear you can see a difference 🤣.
@@StackBundleIt's a good placebo
@@StackBundle Yes, If you can't hear the difference then obviously don't waste your money but those who can will always justify spending more. There are a few people who buy more expensive cables because they think it sounds better but there are others who hear it sounds better.
is the cable for these patch cables the same as the one that we use for guitar ? i'm new to pedals and pedalboard
Hey! They are pretty much the same thing The only difference is the length of the cable. Patch cables are generally a lot shorter than regular guitar cables. Hope that answers your question :)
@@GuitarPickZone that answers my question and help me so much, thanks!!
@@saltyhose8257 only a pleasure :) Feel free to message me anytime with any questions you might have :)
@@GuitarPickZone I have a follow up question to that: if the patch cable is long/close enough to be connected to the amp, can I use it to do so or I must use a guitar cable to connect everything to the amp? Thanks
@@deejay.s Hey DJ! You can most definitely use another patch cable to plug into the amp. I do it all the time wen I practice :)
Is EBS a high quality cable?
In my opinion, yes they are quality :)
Thanks! I have a few of them and happy of that :)
They have one called high performance. I have a few and they work great👍
yes a big name like fender with bass players they make quality pedals for bass players in the 300£ range
Fender / fender customshop cables are the worst...
Yeah I agree they don't bend for crap.
vovox？
are you south african??
Yes sir :)
POP filterrrr
Nutrix cable connectors if you can solder these are extremely quiet well made built like a tank from NASA, Hahahahahaha . Use microphone cable take the extra line for an extra ground keep your cables from becoming an antenna which in turn makes it extremely quiet !
Don't take my word ? look it up ☆...
What exactly are the criteria (and measurment) for these recommendations? I have some EBS cables you recommended. But they can be problematic. I wish there were more tests like this one ruclips.net/video/u548vUk6mmE/видео.html
Hey Clemens. So to answer your question, I only recommend products that I have personally tried. All my reviews are essentially my personal opinion. I understand and accept that many other guitar players have different opinions. I've been playing since 2005 and I've tried a lot of different gear so I review only gear that I've used. Hope that clears things up! I'm curious to know the problems you've experienced with your EBS cables?
@@GuitarPickZone Yes, I was curious about that too. You didn't really answer the question though. I get that it's your personal opinion, but did you use some sort of rating system, or you just thought "these are better than that one" etc?
Why can’t these connecters be straight ,instead of them being bent on the plug in.
Like this
-------------
Instead of this
|______________|
But let it wire in the middle then plug
because it gets in the way when the pedals are close together if their not bent. what’s wrong with the bent ones?
It takes less space if right angle plugs are used. It’s hard to tell a pedal that has its I/O in some way that a straight plug fits better
MXR huh? I take it your sponsored by MXR. There's no other way you could have put it ahead of ANY of the others. How bout some hard science? Capacitance in pfrad, microphonics on scope, REAL VALUES, ACTUAL DATA. Try that sometime, and FYI mogami doesn't score so well in the patch cable department at all, they fell behind a number of "cheap brands"..... Science. It's what we use when we're serious.
Lol ok thanks for that bud. My reviews are based on personal preference nothing more and nothing less. If I were sponsored by MXR I doubt I'd be here doing this. Have an epic weekend :)
@@GuitarPickZone MXR were noisy as hell on the 79 cables tested video. ruclips.net/video/u548vUk6mmE/видео.html
@@HiredGoonage in 1 test. But the Ernie ball cables are still MUCH better.