Honestly I think Dark Orbit went from a much simpler version of EvE with a slight P2W slant to a flat out worse and blatantly P2W version of EvE. I’d rather play EvE tbh, don’t have time for either though.
@@duypham8746 Yep, that is one of eve's titans, the avatar. These things are monsters. Titans cost around 4000$ real life bucks just as the dude above said. They have special doomsday weapons equipped and can tank an insane amount of damage. But if you have an entire fleet of like 30 ships firing at the Titan for quite some time, you can eventually take it down. And boom 4000$ gone.
@@madscientistshusta Yeah it sure is hard. But the map is very big so that means you can find a quiet and abandoned place to grind for days, without encountering a sweaty tryhard. But there are still dangers if ur a beginner: - Tryhards with big ass ships (they are pretty damn huge in comparison to your tiny ship) - Pirates - Rookie slayers So yeah watch out buddy. I haven't been playing for long but there is a thing called the concord police. I believe the map has three parts, Highsec (high security), lowsec (low security) and nulsec (absolutely no security). If you randomly kill someone in highsec, u will get chased by the concord police. And their ships are hard hitters, so don't just be a jerk and kill ppl. Idk what happens in lowsec, but I DO know that nulsec is quite dangerous. There is no police so u can just get obliterated by anyone. So yeah that was my incredibly short guide on how to not die in eve.
@@enfauser7896 in the game there are 2 currencies, PLEX, wich can be bought with real money, and ISK, money you can win without spending real money, but you can buy PLEX with ISK so you can calculate how much money anything is worth
Can someone explain why the titan is just sitting there? Is it firing back? Is it stuck? Its big but it doesnt seem to have any countermeasures against attacks. Does it have an army of fighters to defend it?
the titan is by nature a extremely slow ship, it's primary method of travel is by jumping to cyno's or cyno beacons using it's build in jump drive. The titan is in a mass of warp disruption bubbles that have been deployed by enemy interdictors. When a ship is in a warp disruption bubble it is unable to activate it's warp drive, in this case the titans jump drive is rendered useless. A titans primary countermeasure against attack are it's capital guns mounted to the hull in addition to a titans unique ability to activate a doomsday weapon that releases massive damage. Although during this time period these weapons were mainly only effective against other capital ships with the exception of the doomsday still being a large threat to smaller vessels. The titan had the ability to fight back but it was so overwhelmed with enemy forces that it was essentially sat there waiting to die.
@@EverythingEVEo i see so if the titan get caught in a warp disruption bubble theres basically no chance for it to escape? Are there times that a titan survived this kind of attack like if it has escorts or friends protecting it?
@@SuiKins you can wait 60 seconds for each warp bubble to go down and jump out. or most of the time support ships come and just fight off the enemy allowing the titan to be secured.
+Stephen-zan Vex-ar i had just finished eating some food looked at the ping and read about the titan tackled .... so i just got the fastest ship i had and luckily the mad dash paid off .... going to upload another video later of what happened after the titan died .....carriers getting blown up machariels etc ;D
Pues lo que se de este juego hay varios clanes que pelean para obtener algo en específico tal como puede ser un planeta o algo y este andaba llegando para observar la pelea porque el no pertenece ningún bando y no pueden hacer eso por una tontera larga
+Jabbawock1972 yeah the machas and the archons where a great bonus to the already great titan killmail ;) .... as i mentioned in my previous reply to stephen got another vid to upload later ..... 1080p max graphics archon kills and the machas
@Tacobail did you get into it? If you want you can use my referral code to save 1 month of training time www.eveonline.com/signup?invc=9c972dfb-3b0c-467d-9039-f557df3e9105
@ezlyfe if u fucking follow the story in this game, humans who pilot telepathically those things , have implants in their brains who simulates sound ..for some reason...also huge ships like titans have their own atmosphere or some kind ...
@@PartyHatDogger Sound travels through radio waves? Really? You need to apologize to your middle school Physics teacher. Radio waves are low frequency electromagnetic waves, not sound. You need a device to turn that into sound (ex. radio).
if a ship is destroyed its gone for good, you can build/buy new ones though. The good thing about destroying a ship is, in this case, this group just lost a Titan. So imagine a group of titans dying, thats a significant amount of super capital power projection potential that just got massivelly decreased. the same as in real life, imagine the flagship of a navy being destroyed, its a similar scenario to that. it damages the capability of the fleet, aswell as being very costly to the owner & very bad for morale.
What's the story behind this? That big ass ship looked like it didn't stand a chance. Knowing how much these ships are worth, couldn't the titan just warp out of the system when he knew it might be destroyed? Never played Eve before so excuse my ignorance.
I'm new to the game but I believe those giant energy spheres are warp jammers so it stops everyone inside from warping but idk why they didnt fly out of the orb and warp. Maybe they'd just keep following him?
@@alb958 That's partially correct. These spheres (either mobile warp disruptors or interdiction probes, which are both commonly refered to as "bubbles") prevent any ship inside from activating it's warp drive and, in case of capital ships, jump drive. Another option is to use a heavy interdictor, which can generate such bubble around itself, which will move with it. Main problem with flying out of the bubbles and warping/jumping from there is the fact that the titan (just like any other capital ship) is extremely slow, which means that it would either not get out in time or if it was getting close to the edge, the attackers could easily place another bubble in front of it. I hope there are no major errors as I'm not familiar with tackling supercapitals either.
@@Tomas9970_1 then ultimately the only time titan is good is in a team fight where you actually have support defending you. This poor guy didn't see it coming or maybe his team got wiped out and the titan was the last ship that remained
Why does this 4000$ Ship dont shot back ! , Why the f would any one pay for a ship that would be destroied in 5 Minutes ... Have your team suffered loses ? !
Hoi 4 - an amazing game that is worth every penny. Playing solo can be really good fun, and hopping into a multiplayer lobby with people who know what they are doing is even better. Great mod support, great dlc, great cheats - Cheat Land, great game.
So can someone play this game until they have a titan and then sell it to someone for real money? Thousands of dollars? I don't believe anyone ever paid real money for one of these or sold one of these. I can buy a real life plastic spaceship at the toy store and beam my laser pointer on it with Star Wars playing in the background and it would be more exciting and cheaper.
Not really no. You don't just build a titan, it's something that your corporation or alliance builds for you. As such everyone knows who the titan pilots are and selling your account would only mean you'd be kicked out of the alliance and not be invited into a new one ever again. So there's not much point in buying an account like that.
Tu nave queda a la deriva y la siguen destruyendo, no es como que te desconectes y tu nave desaparece contigo, por eso siempre es conveniente desconectarte dentro de una estación segura, con tu nave y el tripulante a salvo
He's got a tiny fighting ship. Carrying capacity is crap. Did you see their difference in size? What's the point of him trying to loot that city size piece of wreckage?
Que mierda es esto no entiendo nada, como carajos llegue a parar aqui ? porque diablos a alguien le podria gustar ese juego? exijo una explicación aiudaaaa
Lo que pasa es que lo que tú vez, ni se debería llamarse juego por tener jugadores con una mente estúpidamente estratégico por cómo manejan todo lo que tienen en cuanto armas o tropas. Lo que tú vez, son millones de jugadores disparandose en Online, solo que no se ven debido a la distancia tan, pero tan larga que se necesita para ver esta nave luchar.
ah o sea segun tu explicacion son los mismos estupidos que se disparan en otro juego con la diferencia que en este son mas estupidos que llegan a creer que es la vida real y son tan estupidos que juegan con dinero real,y son tas estupidos que no se han dado cuenta que son los mismos niños ratas de otros juegos pero de 40 años :P
Jose ramirez No me puedo tomar enserio tu comentario usando la palabra "NIÑOH RATHA" y no, no todo en este juego es disparar a lo pendejo; hay una gran estrategia detras.
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Eve Online is SOOOOO Confusing.
its like looking at a Animal species you never seen before...
6:55 i just save you 7 minutes of traveling
also displayed at start of video for PC users
Second galaxy is mobile and pc
thanks:)
Why i saw this comment after 7 minutes of traveling QWQ
@@EverythingEVEohow big would titans be if they were real?
The dude who had the titan was either raging, crying or both lmao
Imagine that dude had that titan out for the first time and that happens
I wonder what goes through a player's head when they lose a $5,000+ ship in a video game.
Really? Major scheming to get back and then some
it doesnt cost 5k$
It fucking scary I screamed
@@kilertoysreview3902 Its costs more
Abdul Alsalay shut up idiot
This game is complicated af
I only play it because it’s super chill and you get an awesome sense of progression by playing it
said no one ever
He did
"Super chill"
I'd love to play this but I just cannot invest the time. I have to wait for retirement.
@@billcame6991 Exactly, like imagine being 70, retired, playing eve on a high-end computer and eating pizza
Lol this felt a lot like spore's bacteria stage. Lots of little things swimming around with bigger and bigger swimmy things in the background
I have heard the stories about this day. Thanks for the video. It was really epic!
Oh what a day... WHAT A LOVELY DAY!!!
lol dat reference
@@Palmen1990 MADMAX the young white guy?
WITNESS ME!
Commentator Pro Evolution Soccer
Vallaha is wating for you
9:16 la destrucción de la nave titan
was doing French homework when watching the video and reading the comments, your comment surely reminded me to go back to study, merci
@@Aster393 he's spanish...
gracias héroe sin capa
@@Aster393 Better go back to study French indeed because that’s Spanish.
Si
This game looks too complicated
That's why it's good
It's honestly not
Holy shit last time i checked a titan price it was 250b ISK that was 2 years ago, THAT GUY IS MADDD
Even though I don't understand what is happening but I love to see it.. It's like u all stick together to kill the raid boss lol...
This is probably the only video i have seen where there is less clutter, a good view and just dots moving around
always great to look back and see where we came from.
The one who created this game must haven't think of humanity.
11:13 what noise is that? So dope
i think it was capsule getting destroyed
For those who don't know wth is going on: time to spend in this game to afford a titan is counted in years. And someone lost it.
So how long he have to spend to get another titan. Years or months. In games high level players will get soon high tier weapons than the newbie
@@supergamer4015 i think it takes like 2 years maybe?
when you thoght dark orbit was difficult but then you stumbled upon this
Honestly I think Dark Orbit went from a much simpler version of EvE with a slight P2W slant to a flat out worse and blatantly P2W version of EvE. I’d rather play EvE tbh, don’t have time for either though.
I don’t understand what the hell is going on
@Overwhelming Euphoria u mean real money?
@Overwhelming Euphoria that biggest one that everyone aiming at ?
@@duypham8746 Yep, that is one of eve's titans, the avatar. These things are monsters. Titans cost around 4000$ real life bucks just as the dude above said. They have special doomsday weapons equipped and can tank an insane amount of damage. But if you have an entire fleet of like 30 ships firing at the Titan for quite some time, you can eventually take it down.
And boom 4000$ gone.
@@pizza6383 damn, i wanna play but it looks like a hard to get into game
@@madscientistshusta Yeah it sure is hard. But the map is very big so that means you can find a quiet and abandoned place to grind for days, without encountering a sweaty tryhard.
But there are still dangers if ur a beginner:
- Tryhards with big ass ships (they are pretty damn huge in comparison to your tiny ship)
- Pirates
- Rookie slayers
So yeah watch out buddy. I haven't been playing for long but there is a thing called the concord police. I believe the map has three parts, Highsec (high security), lowsec (low security) and nulsec (absolutely no security). If you randomly kill someone in highsec, u will get chased by the concord police. And their ships are hard hitters, so don't just be a jerk and kill ppl. Idk what happens in lowsec, but I DO know that nulsec is quite dangerous. There is no police so u can just get obliterated by anyone.
So yeah that was my incredibly short guide on how to not die in eve.
Skip to 7:00 min, stupid waisting of time
Ruslan Tazhiev not if you enjoy watching interceptors gracefully fly through space
Ruslan Tazhiev thx you saved 5 mins of my life with this comment
Thank you!
@@EverythingEVEo To be fair you could have put a time ID in the desc or comments because not everyone loves a video not getting to the point.
watching this is better than playing this
My fucking God... How many ISK was lost... They was soooo angry)) nice work pilot. Good luck in the space)
They was????
This game looks magical however i dont want to get in a game where money can be lost...
It doesn't have to be played at all with real life money. You can be the richest in the game without even using a single dollar
@@EverythingEVEo so you saying that the owner of the titan payed 4000$ for this absolute UNIT, but he didn't have to??
@@enfauser7896 he could have
You actually buy the currency that costs real money with the normal currency. This means that a totally f2p account can get the subscription service.
@@enfauser7896 in the game there are 2 currencies, PLEX, wich can be bought with real money, and ISK, money you can win without spending real money, but you can buy PLEX with ISK so you can calculate how much money anything is worth
“Going to kill a Titan”…already 90% dead when you arrived.
Can someone explain why the titan is just sitting there? Is it firing back? Is it stuck? Its big but it doesnt seem to have any countermeasures against attacks. Does it have an army of fighters to defend it?
the titan is by nature a extremely slow ship, it's primary method of travel is by jumping to cyno's or cyno beacons using it's build in jump drive. The titan is in a mass of warp disruption bubbles that have been deployed by enemy interdictors. When a ship is in a warp disruption bubble it is unable to activate it's warp drive, in this case the titans jump drive is rendered useless. A titans primary countermeasure against attack are it's capital guns mounted to the hull in addition to a titans unique ability to activate a doomsday weapon that releases massive damage. Although during this time period these weapons were mainly only effective against other capital ships with the exception of the doomsday still being a large threat to smaller vessels. The titan had the ability to fight back but it was so overwhelmed with enemy forces that it was essentially sat there waiting to die.
@@EverythingEVEo i see so if the titan get caught in a warp disruption bubble theres basically no chance for it to escape? Are there times that a titan survived this kind of attack like if it has escorts or friends protecting it?
@@SuiKins you can wait 60 seconds for each warp bubble to go down and jump out. or most of the time support ships come and just fight off the enemy allowing the titan to be secured.
@@EverythingEVEo I see. Thanks for the explanation appreciate it
That was fun
I landed my Crow on grid when it hi structure and managed to get a volley off before it died xD
+Stephen-zan Vex-ar i had just finished eating some food looked at the ping and read about the titan tackled .... so i just got the fastest ship i had and luckily the mad dash paid off .... going to upload another video later of what happened after the titan died .....carriers getting blown up machariels etc ;D
awesome xD
Even the Most PowerfulShips have Weaknessing just like an Anaconda
No entiendo una mierda, lo unico que se que alguien perdio mucha plataaa$$ xD
nada,sales en tu capsulita,pero si te matan en tu capsulita reapareces,creo,en una estacion cercana
Osea que si tu quieres puedes comprar mas ISK con tu tarjeta de credito. Sino a trabajar dia y noche para hacer mas recursos.
es una pelea entre gremios?
Pues lo que se de este juego hay varios clanes que pelean para obtener algo en específico tal como puede ser un planeta o algo y este andaba llegando para observar la pelea porque el no pertenece ningún bando y no pueden hacer eso por una tontera larga
Se parece a Ace online
I fell asleep during all the gate travel
NO idea what's going on.
i thought i was the only one LOL
God this looks exactly like taking down a titan like on Sins of a Solar Empire
Bye Avatar..
buen juego para mirar cuando quieras dormir :p
El mittani envio saludos
El imperio vs. Pandemic legión. No?
It's funny, i've started to leave EvE once i've got my ass in my first titan.
damn, dat titan wreck
Was there too...a bit over 2500dmg on that fat titan ;) and as Bonus some Machas and Archons
+Jabbawock1972 yeah the machas and the archons where a great bonus to the already great titan killmail ;) .... as i mentioned in my previous reply to stephen got another vid to upload later ..... 1080p max graphics archon kills and the machas
I thought this game would be somewhat similar to Stellaris... Guess I was wrong
@Tacobail did you get into it? If you want you can use my referral code to save 1 month of training time
www.eveonline.com/signup?invc=9c972dfb-3b0c-467d-9039-f557df3e9105
Sound travels with air. There's no air in space... Would you hear that thing explode?
gojitmal1978 there is some sound in space, everything is just really muzzled, if the same sound happened on earth it would be so horribly loud
@@PartyHatDogger how does that some sound travels?
Sharoon Aftab radio waves, no air needed
@ezlyfe if u fucking follow the story in this game, humans who pilot telepathically those things , have implants in their brains who simulates sound ..for some reason...also huge ships like titans have their own atmosphere or some kind ...
@@PartyHatDogger Sound travels through radio waves? Really? You need to apologize to your middle school Physics teacher.
Radio waves are low frequency electromagnetic waves, not sound. You need a device to turn that into sound (ex. radio).
omg zoom out and use the warp to box and click jump
So basically, the ship the looks like a shrivelled up mushroom on its side just got blown up... ok?
That ship cost 4000$
@@viktor8986z7o $7800 USD now...
miren toda esa logistica y esa Ewar .. pura llama x todo lado
I don't even know what the fuck is even going on. Just flashing lights and stationary objects that doesn't even move just changing the background.
So whats the point to invest and grind to get a titan if it can be detroyed so easily ?
hope they bought insurance
Look, I have been around here for a long time, I understand this.
There's nothing about this I understand.
Ate a morte do cara eh grandiosa, verdadeiro guerreiro
what ship were you using?
pov: you came here from an ad
i've kept seeing the ad pop up every where for almost 2 years now
I remember that day bloodbath of br5brb
hey!!! it,s a titan!!!
Is Titan controlled by one player or more?
one
Actualmente el imperio tiene mas de 1000 titanes y tropas suficientes para defenderlos.
Ya no
Is a destroyed ship done for good, or can you repair it? And do you gain anything from destroying a ship?
if a ship is destroyed its gone for good, you can build/buy new ones though. The good thing about destroying a ship is, in this case, this group just lost a Titan. So imagine a group of titans dying, thats a significant amount of super capital power projection potential that just got massivelly decreased.
the same as in real life, imagine the flagship of a navy being destroyed, its a similar scenario to that. it damages the capability of the fleet, aswell as being very costly to the owner & very bad for morale.
What's the story behind this? That big ass ship looked like it didn't stand a chance. Knowing how much these ships are worth, couldn't the titan just warp out of the system when he knew it might be destroyed? Never played Eve before so excuse my ignorance.
I'm new to the game but I believe those giant energy spheres are warp jammers so it stops everyone inside from warping but idk why they didnt fly out of the orb and warp. Maybe they'd just keep following him?
@@alb958 That's partially correct. These spheres (either mobile warp disruptors or interdiction probes, which are both commonly refered to as "bubbles") prevent any ship inside from activating it's warp drive and, in case of capital ships, jump drive. Another option is to use a heavy interdictor, which can generate such bubble around itself, which will move with it.
Main problem with flying out of the bubbles and warping/jumping from there is the fact that the titan (just like any other capital ship) is extremely slow, which means that it would either not get out in time or if it was getting close to the edge, the attackers could easily place another bubble in front of it.
I hope there are no major errors as I'm not familiar with tackling supercapitals either.
@@Tomas9970_1 then ultimately the only time titan is good is in a team fight where you actually have support defending you. This poor guy didn't see it coming or maybe his team got wiped out and the titan was the last ship that remained
@@alb958 the titan is very slow af, so yeah, he can't just fly out from the bubble
Llevo 7 años en el juego y aun no puedo comprarme el Omega 😢
¿Aproximadamente cuanto costo esta batalla?
Un titan vale 7 billones de isk
La ultima vez que jugue
Y eran unicamente los planos
@@patricksote2999 aproximado de 100 billones
wats going on
No esta mal. Yo lo juego porque se siente armonía.
Spectacular views.
Is this the first titan that was killed or is this just a random one, I want to visit the site where the first titan was killed
You should really visit B-R5RB
Any reason of 7 minutes of non related traveling?
not sure, i'll time travel back 6 years and ask myself why i didn't trim the video, i was just wanting to upload it straight away.
Why didn't u skip the travelling part?
because i just wanted to get it uploaded at the time
@@EverythingEVEo can u Try playing "Vendetta Online"? It's a very good game but it's not that popular
@@ayoutubeuser9807 i will look at it, though to be honest highly unlikely i will play it
Why does this 4000$ Ship dont shot back ! , Why the f would any one pay for a ship that would be destroied in 5 Minutes ...
Have your team suffered loses ? !
Nowadays Titans are too common
Hoi 4 - an amazing game that is worth every penny. Playing solo can be really good fun, and hopping into a multiplayer lobby with people who know what they are doing is even better. Great mod support, great dlc, great cheats - Cheat Land, great game.
bro what are you on about
Hoi4
?
this game like RF'O right ?
Why titan stay alone?
He got caught moving somewhere on his own.
널섹에서 혼자 움직이다 잡힌듯요
He leader of a big alliance
He got like 8 titand and one day he got a round whit one
He got in a trap
Send every troop he has but didnt enough
So can someone play this game until they have a titan and then sell it to someone for real money?
Thousands of dollars?
I don't believe anyone ever paid real money for one of these or sold one of these. I can buy a real life plastic spaceship at the toy store and beam my laser pointer on it with Star Wars playing in the background and it would be more exciting and cheaper.
Not really no. You don't just build a titan, it's something that your corporation or alliance builds for you. As such everyone knows who the titan pilots are and selling your account would only mean you'd be kicked out of the alliance and not be invited into a new one ever again. So there's not much point in buying an account like that.
que pasa si te sales del juego o lo apagas?
Tu nave queda a la deriva y la siguen destruyendo, no es como que te desconectes y tu nave desaparece contigo, por eso siempre es conveniente desconectarte dentro de una estación segura, con tu nave y el tripulante a salvo
Not even attempting to loot. Pathetic
He's got a tiny fighting ship. Carrying capacity is crap. Did you see their difference in size? What's the point of him trying to loot that city size piece of wreckage?
@@anhnhvn because certain modules are about 10m3 and still worth 1.3B
mequedo con darkorbit
jajajajaja exactamente
obvio tio .. esto no es para todos.. mucho menos lo q piensan los nuevos que van a empezar manejando un titan desde el primer dia
omg ctrl L click !
버블이 몇개가 펴진거야 미친ㅋㅋ
Que alianzas estan en esta batalla?
Ninguna al parecer, solo atacaron una titán que no tenía buena defensa
What ship did u use I'm a noov
Crow
the fuck is going on??
Que mierda es esto no entiendo nada, como carajos llegue a parar aqui ? porque diablos a alguien le podria gustar ese juego? exijo una explicación aiudaaaa
Lo que pasa es que lo que tú vez, ni se debería llamarse juego por tener jugadores con una mente estúpidamente estratégico por cómo manejan todo lo que tienen en cuanto armas o tropas.
Lo que tú vez, son millones de jugadores disparandose en Online, solo que no se ven debido a la distancia tan, pero tan larga que se necesita para ver esta nave luchar.
ah o sea segun tu explicacion son los mismos estupidos que se disparan en otro juego con la diferencia que en este son mas estupidos que llegan a creer que es la vida real y son tan estupidos que juegan con dinero real,y son tas estupidos que no se han dado cuenta que son los mismos niños ratas de otros juegos pero de 40 años :P
Jose ramirez
No me puedo tomar enserio tu comentario usando la palabra "NIÑOH RATHA" y no, no todo en este juego es disparar a lo pendejo; hay una gran estrategia detras.
Jose ramirez
Como ya dije, no puedo tomarme enserio a alguien que usa la palabra "niño rata" para tratar de justificarse y menos con esa foto.....
Jose ramirez
"pelotudo" y "boludo", ok.
El chiste se cuenta solo.
What is the name of the ship you are using?
Johnny Slacker crow
Everything EVE Thanks!
Johnny Slacker no problem
I still don't get it, what's the fun part of this game?
the narrative
@Patrick MCP lol nice
7:10 , you're welcome
Click through the menus - the game
什麼鳥東西 沒辦法跟那款比阿
Half the video is you going through portals….gg
the big red bar at the bottom of the video lets you skip, or in the comments there is an actual timestamp you can click on....gg dumb fuck
leaving a negative review and a downvote because RUclipss like to spam AD's every5 minutes of my viewing experience.
nothing against this channel or Eve.
but RUclipss pathetic marketing strategy is what gives you a negative review and a downvote.
have you tried an add blocker ?
poor titan
No entendi una verga
Thumbs down for fail editing. Could been a 4 min video
Lmao titan down
tierra whack
Мне одному это Mass Effect напомнило?
Entendi porra nenhuma
es para ps3 o pc?
Oscar Terrazas pc
Isaac Gabriel muchas gracias
De nada :)
Lol ps3 really ?
Oscar Terrazas PS3 HAHAHAHAHAHA
9:15 That explosion is so lame
This is a 18 year old game bro not some new game with ultra realistic graphics
alex
i dont understand a sh*t
Confusing looking game
Tan culero es el juego?
Camaleon 30 es de estrategia no de acción precisamente, las variables de juego son casi infinitas, eso es lo que lo hace entretenido.
i got 5 on it