The dealbreaker for me with the Powerwall is Tesla's iron grip on their products. From being able to charge exclusively from solar, to shutdown of the batteries if there is no cell communication between the batteries and corporate. This is a real problem that I can attest to since I spoke with a tech rep at Tesla and he mentioned that after approximately 72 hrs of no comms between the batteries and support, the batteries will shut down as a safety feature. That would have been a big problem for us since we were out of electricity, water, and cellular communication for several weeks after Hurricane Michael. In other parts of the country where just grid power goes out for a few hours/ a few days and everything else is running would not be an issue.
I have Tesla PowerWalls as that was the only viable product on the market at the time. Now there are way more options for home backup such as this product and EcoFlows stuff. I have never heard that about the cell communication thing before. I'm going to have investigate that! Hopefully there is a workaround. One thing that does annoy me about the PowerWall system is you can't charge them with a generator (not legally anyway).
Is that concern not solvable with Starlink? I have a Powerwall system and have been impacted by several storms (Ian, Idalia, Debby, Helene, Milton) since getting it in 2021. I think anyone with this kind of system would also have Starlink at least for backup comms and only activate it during hurricane season.
As a solar advocate in California, there is one new factor I urge homeowners to consider and that's how well the PV+ESS can do self-consumption since IOUs in CA (like some other states) are very hostile to solar. A typical 5-7kW rooftop PV can put out ~ 50kWh on a good day (spring/fall). Most homeowners install ESS with 13.5kWh-15kWh capacity for cost reasons. This is enough for 4-9pm TOU offset but not enough for full self-consumption. The daily production will far exceed battery capacity and is exported - giving the homeowner little financial benefit under NEM3.0. This is where Tesla shines if the homeowner has a Tesla EV as well (plugged in during daytime). Their integrated software can divert solar production and command the EV to consume the variable excess solar (all other EV chargers will consume a fixed amount), thus using up the excess solar without grid import. This is all SW and requires no additional HW. The Anker AC-coupled system is simplistic and can't do this.
Thanks for the update. I’m getting Tesla power wall three and I do have a 20-year-old whole house generator Propane. If the grid is down and no sun, I’ll just run the generator once in a while until the sun shines. it would be nice if there was a generator and put perhaps add it on in the future.
Anker Solix X1 customer support (email today) is saying the generator feature is not [yet] supported: "Unfortunately, we do not yet support a configuration where the generator (or [BEV truck] in this case) is used first, followed by the X1's power." 9:22 I just rewatched and saw the text overlay: "Note that generator charging is not yet enabled. This feature is planned to be launched by the end of 2024."
I think the biggest missing topic is compatibility with V2G/V2H … seems like a big win for Tesla. Also, the PW3 can work with existing microinverters (albeit with a cost in efficiency).
8:43 ... wonder if you can take the 9.6 kW 240v NEMA 14-50 output of the Cybertruck bed and hook it up to the 'generator' input of the Anker system? Seems like it would work just like a generator with a L1 & L2 coming from the generator and there is a neutral balancing transformer in the Anker system to create the 120v capable input into your backup loads.
@@IronmanV5 Sounds like Ford 240v plug in the back is a L14-30 so 7.2 kW. I saw this reference tho for the other related equipment: "The intelligent home backup uses and external inverter. It pulls DC power from the CCS connector for 9.6kW 40A AC @240V. ***** Pro Power on board is limited to 30A on the 240 outlet [7.2 kW]. You can pull another 2.4 kW on the 120 outlets."
@@Scott-sm9nm The problem with the intelligent home backup, and other V2H systems is that they are proprietary and lock you into one make. What I like about the Solix's generator input is that it doesn't care where that input comes from.
@@tonypaca3015 Neither. Battery walls are not permitted in residences in my locale due to risk of fire. Our code making panel is currently reviewing that and may amend the code to allow a certain type, which they wont disclose to the public yet.
His dismissal of the lack of battery level monitoring with the Tesla as a non-issue is perhaps misguided. A fault in one part of the Tesla battery would take the entire system down. A fault in one of the X1 batteries would be isolated, allowing the system to continue to work with reduced capacity. Stating that shade on one string panel reduces the output of all panels in the string is just not true. This is something the micro-inverter manufacturers have been saying for years but hasn’t been true since panel manufacturers started putting bypass diodes in panels, which is many many years ago. The need of micro-inverters greatly increases the cost of the solar array & degrades the round-trip efficiency. I would prefer DC coupling of the batteries.
Excellent feedback. Thanks for sharing. Is shading on strings really a non-issue? If that's the case, we really need to get that message out. Do you have any resources you recommend that talk about that more?
@@BenjaminSahlstrom There are many RUclips Channels that have performed some excellent testing to show that panels with bypass diodes perform very well without optimizers or micro-inverters. The only senario that makes these devices mandatory is the requirement for instant shutdown for roof mounted arrays. If you are using a ground mount, you might think long & hard about the cost of optimizers or micro-inverters for so little return in better performance.
Do you know if the Anker is compatible or expandable with their F3800? Would be nice to have the mounted and portable battery systems integrated with the option to control both with one inverter when convenient.
I do wish either of these were sold direct to consumers. I assume they will get there eventually but installer middlemen makes things tough. Good review, looks like Tesla has some stiff competition.
I definitely agree. Requiring an installer probably makes sense, but I would much prefer to allow for capable property owners or those wanting to go off grid to have access to purchase directly.
1:00 Oddly all the documenation that I've seen for the Tesla Powerwall 3 (and the expansion units thinner and shown in video) are side by side with 3' between them). The example in the video display unit looks like a thicker Powerwall 3 and a thinner Powerwall 3 expansion unit. I'm confused.
The PW3 and the expansion pack are the same size, except the expansion pack is 1" thinner. The PW3 and expansion pack can be stacked together to minimize their footprint. The expansion pack would go against the wall first, because the expansion batteries are not serviceable. The PW3 is on the outside of the stack.
They all have overheat protection built in, however no unit currently out there has fire suppression capabilities, that'd be an entirely separate system you'd have to install if required.
@@bradforrester2417 That is incorrect, Tesla Powerwall 3, EG4, to name a few, do in fact have intergraded fire suppression. Most of the units being built today have integrated FS as more and more municipalities require it.
@@davidh5309 Ahem - the datasheet for Tesla Powerwall 3, no fire suppression capability whatsoever. It has a fire RATING, but that is not suppression. energylibrary.tesla.com/docs/Public/EnergyStorage/Powerwall/3/Datasheet/en-us/Powerwall-3-Datasheet.pdf The EG4 PowerPro has fire ARRESTORS, which are essentially a heat-rated breaker. Again not suppression. eg4electronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/PowerPro-WallMount-AW-Brochure.pdf
The economics and value of PowerWall 3 is unmatched. That combined with a single unit able to push 11kw means you can have just one unit to support an entire house. Combine it with a large solar array (which would also lower or zero your electric bill) and you can have power indefinitely during power outages. PowerWall 3 is going to severely undermine competition. Even SunRun which used to directly compete with Tesla and did not use Tesla products realized their only way to compete is to offer PW3 as well.
Anker: when you turn main breaker off, power will come to panel from power station. Tesla: power station connected to electricity meter, after switching main breaker off panel will be dead. Tesla is more safe for DIY-ers.
I didn't think Tesla would let you DIY install a powerwall. I was told you have to have a certified Tesla installer perform the turn-up. Has that changed?
@@DG8RS Where I wrote about DIY powerwall installing? I told that powerwall has safe circuit schematics, which keeps panel dead when main breaker is off.
Ben, you left out a few MAJOR points, for example the USA software is much more reliable and secure than Ankers Chinese software. The tesla powerwalls are more efficient with DC to DC charging Vs Anker taking DC solar panels converted to A/C then back to DC to charge the battery’s Tesla doesn’t have a generator input, but they have a level 2 charger that’s able to bidirectional power you home or the home can power the EV. Thats a HUGE advantage. Tesla has better inrush current support- you briefly mentioned it, but didn’t emphasize how important that is. The Anker and Enphase end up requiring load shedding panels that make the complicated installation even more expensive
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I did mention most of those points, just not exactly how you explained them. The round trip efficiency is pretty similar despite the DC/AC coupled differences. The bidirectional power is a good point that I didn't think to include. Really appreciate the feedback!
I don't find "the home powering the EV" to be a useful feature. Who would want to drain a 13.5kWh ESS into a 75kWh EV? Any ESS system will enable EV charging during grid-outage by allowing the PV to continue operation in off-grid mode. V2H sounds cool but is it really useful? In a prolonged grid outage scenario, both Anker and PW3 can grid-form and enable any AC-coupled rooftop PV during the day. So the ESS capacity only needs to power the home from ~ 6pm-9am. It's useful if the homeowner wants to run a 5 ton AC all day and night. As for Tesla reliability, features, integration, ease-of-install, yes, those are hard to beat.
@@BenjaminSahlstrom The Tesla solution with a Tesla Powerwall 3 and Tesla Cybertruck (Universal Wall Connector aka UWC) is not known/working at this point. It ONLY currently works with other Tesla Powerwall versions AND a special PowerShare Gateway 3V(vehicle).
Be careful if you want to install it in your house. Many municipalities, including NYC don’t allow them in houses because of risk of fire. You will not get a permit for it. If you install it anyway and have a fire, your insurance will deny the claim.
Tesla power wall 3 meter collars are catching on fire! 😂😂😂 I installed my own system and pulled a super nice tax credit. Then I said screw you to the building department and electric utility and I do not have a permit and I do not have an interconnection agreement. my system is in PV self consumption mode with zero export. Return on investment is under three years.
@@MichaelMarshall53 do you currently have solar as well, or is that getting installed at the same time? I'm in Massachusetts, and I've been quoted as high as $35,000 to purchase solar only for my home. I don't think I will spend $35,000 in electric before I die. LoL
As someone who is looking at having solar panels put on a hip roof the Anker system's micro inverter has more appeal to my case use. I also own two EVs here in MN one both capable of vehicle to home so while a battery backup is kind of redundant with the vehicles (if I had the v2h systems installed) and at least one vehicle home at the time of an outage. There really isn't a need for me to have dedicated batteries when one vehicle has a 99.8Kw battery pack and the other has a 138Kw battery pack.
one thing to keep in mind about micro inverters is that they seem to fail more than you think. my aunt has them on her house, enphase units and she has had several fail in 4 years, and every time they do you have to go up there and change it which is a royal pain on hers atleast.
I have had a 16kw solar system for 5 years now in MN. I put solar panels on the roof of my pole barn and my garage. When it snows, you need to clean off the panels or they won't work. My first winter with solar sucked. Very little power. The panels on the pole barn roof were too high to get at and clean. the next summer, I had my panels removed from my barn roof and I put in a ground mount. Best thing I ever did. The ground mount tilts for seasonal sun angle. It does not track the sun. Winter sun angle is about 58 degrees. Now cleaning panels in easy and solar power is great. 120 megawatts collected since Oct of 2018.
@@koryleach9660 that is true. I was just saying if you have the option, a ground mount works better in MN. Just trying to give you my experience so you wouldn’t regret the install, without knowing all the options.
Both are expensive "showoffs". Bought a 12 KW DEYE inverter with 14.4 KW panels 2 years ago & made a 43 kWh 6000 Cycle LFP cell based battery for it. Total cost of that was 25.000 US$ incl. 25% VAT. Micro inverters would be an absolutely no go here. Overhyped and overcomplicating vs. traditional panels which for sure will punish you after some years when they start to fail. Owning a Tesla i would never EVER get s Tesla Powerwall the way the software is flawed in my car and 100% controlled by whatever Tesla/Elon decides is best for them. DYI and save a lot of money.
Actually, Tesla has a lot of Panasonic items in it. Panasonic actually works out of a Tesla plant in the US. You really think it's all sourced in America? 😂
I'd choose Anker over Tesla anything any day because it is reliable. Just cuz it was made in China doesn't mean it's cheap or less quality. That applies to some items made in China not all. All our cell phones are made in China they work pretty well most brands.
@@missdee212 I LOVE Anker. Have a ton of their stuff, but I've had more dead Anker devices than Tesla so far. Where are you reading the powerwalls are unreliable?
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I have no money to buy either of these. Yet I’m watching this video.
I feel the genius with the X1 system is that you only have to afford the cheapest base option then expand as you can.
The dealbreaker for me with the Powerwall is Tesla's iron grip on their products. From being able to charge exclusively from solar, to shutdown of the batteries if there is no cell communication between the batteries and corporate. This is a real problem that I can attest to since I spoke with a tech rep at Tesla and he mentioned that after approximately 72 hrs of no comms between the batteries and support, the batteries will shut down as a safety feature. That would have been a big problem for us since we were out of electricity, water, and cellular communication for several weeks after Hurricane Michael. In other parts of the country where just grid power goes out for a few hours/ a few days and everything else is running would not be an issue.
I have Tesla PowerWalls as that was the only viable product on the market at the time. Now there are way more options for home backup such as this product and EcoFlows stuff. I have never heard that about the cell communication thing before. I'm going to have investigate that! Hopefully there is a workaround. One thing that does annoy me about the PowerWall system is you can't charge them with a generator (not legally anyway).
Is that concern not solvable with Starlink? I have a Powerwall system and have been impacted by several storms (Ian, Idalia, Debby, Helene, Milton) since getting it in 2021. I think anyone with this kind of system would also have Starlink at least for backup comms and only activate it during hurricane season.
@@kairojya Smart thinking.
As a solar advocate in California, there is one new factor I urge homeowners to consider and that's how well the PV+ESS can do self-consumption since IOUs in CA (like some other states) are very hostile to solar. A typical 5-7kW rooftop PV can put out ~ 50kWh on a good day (spring/fall). Most homeowners install ESS with 13.5kWh-15kWh capacity for cost reasons. This is enough for 4-9pm TOU offset but not enough for full self-consumption. The daily production will far exceed battery capacity and is exported - giving the homeowner little financial benefit under NEM3.0. This is where Tesla shines if the homeowner has a Tesla EV as well (plugged in during daytime). Their integrated software can divert solar production and command the EV to consume the variable excess solar (all other EV chargers will consume a fixed amount), thus using up the excess solar without grid import. This is all SW and requires no additional HW. The Anker AC-coupled system is simplistic and can't do this.
Thanks for the update. I’m getting Tesla power wall three and I do have a 20-year-old whole house generator Propane. If the grid is down and no sun, I’ll just run the generator once in a while until the sun shines. it would be nice if there was a generator and put perhaps add it on in the future.
I reached out to anker when this was first launched but never heard back.
NEMA 4 is NOT corrosion resistant. It would need to have a NEMA 4X rating for use in a salty or corrosive environment..
Thanks for the clarification. Anker does advertise corrosion resistance so maybe it is NEMA 4X?
Is Anker UL listed and approved for home installation? Check carefully before installing.
@@bills6946 Yes!
@@bills6946 It is, safety certificates are available on their website currently.
Anker Solix X1 customer support (email today) is saying the generator feature is not [yet] supported: "Unfortunately, we do not yet support a configuration where the generator (or [BEV truck] in this case) is used first, followed by the X1's power." 9:22 I just rewatched and saw the text overlay: "Note that generator charging is not yet enabled. This feature is planned to be launched by the end of 2024."
Hopefully they'll be prompt in releasing this feature.
I want the option to connect a generator also. I like the X1
I think the biggest missing topic is compatibility with V2G/V2H … seems like a big win for Tesla. Also, the PW3 can work with existing microinverters (albeit with a cost in efficiency).
8:43 ... wonder if you can take the 9.6 kW 240v NEMA 14-50 output of the Cybertruck bed and hook it up to the 'generator' input of the Anker system? Seems like it would work just like a generator with a L1 & L2 coming from the generator and there is a neutral balancing transformer in the Anker system to create the 120v capable input into your backup loads.
Or the 240v outlets from the Lightning or GM Trucks
@@IronmanV5 Are those both: 30 amps / 7.2 kW ?
@@Scott-sm9nm The Ford can do 9.6 and the GMs are 7.2.
@@IronmanV5 Sounds like Ford 240v plug in the back is a L14-30 so 7.2 kW. I saw this reference tho for the other related equipment: "The intelligent home backup uses and external inverter. It pulls DC power from the CCS connector for 9.6kW 40A AC @240V. ***** Pro Power on board is limited to 30A on the 240 outlet [7.2 kW]. You can pull another 2.4 kW on the 120 outlets."
@@Scott-sm9nm The problem with the intelligent home backup, and other V2H systems is that they are proprietary and lock you into one make.
What I like about the Solix's generator input is that it doesn't care where that input comes from.
I like what Anker has to offer.
Anker is Made with Chineseium parts and assembled with Chineseium labor. Tesla. Is Made in USA.
@@bills6946and Musk is funding trump and sucking up to him. That should be a turnoff on its own.
@@bills6946 Over 90% of Tesla's vehicle components are manufactured in China.
@@bills6946 would you buy Nickel Manganese Cobalt Oxide battery for your house? i wouldnt. LFP all day long
@@tonypaca3015
Neither. Battery walls are not permitted in residences in my locale due to risk of fire. Our code making panel is currently reviewing that and may amend the code to allow a certain type, which they wont disclose to the public yet.
His dismissal of the lack of battery level monitoring with the Tesla as a non-issue is perhaps misguided. A fault in one part of the Tesla battery would take the entire system down. A fault in one of the X1 batteries would be isolated, allowing the system to continue to work with reduced capacity. Stating that shade on one string panel reduces the output of all panels in the string is just not true. This is something the micro-inverter manufacturers have been saying for years but hasn’t been true since panel manufacturers started putting bypass diodes in panels, which is many many years ago. The need of micro-inverters greatly increases the cost of the solar array & degrades the round-trip efficiency. I would prefer DC coupling of the batteries.
Excellent feedback. Thanks for sharing. Is shading on strings really a non-issue? If that's the case, we really need to get that message out. Do you have any resources you recommend that talk about that more?
@@BenjaminSahlstrom There are many RUclips Channels that have performed some excellent testing to show that panels with bypass diodes perform very well without optimizers or micro-inverters. The only senario that makes these devices mandatory is the requirement for instant shutdown for roof mounted arrays. If you are using a ground mount, you might think long & hard about the cost of optimizers or micro-inverters for so little return in better performance.
Do you know if the Anker is compatible or expandable with their F3800? Would be nice to have the mounted and portable battery systems integrated with the option to control both with one inverter when convenient.
That would be sweet. Unfortunately the F3800 and the X1 can't be used together directly as far as I am aware.
Can I use a wind turbine on either of these?
I do wish either of these were sold direct to consumers. I assume they will get there eventually but installer middlemen makes things tough. Good review, looks like Tesla has some stiff competition.
I definitely agree. Requiring an installer probably makes sense, but I would much prefer to allow for capable property owners or those wanting to go off grid to have access to purchase directly.
I need more info but I’m liking the X1 at the moment.
1:00 Oddly all the documenation that I've seen for the Tesla Powerwall 3 (and the expansion units thinner and shown in video) are side by side with 3' between them). The example in the video display unit looks like a thicker Powerwall 3 and a thinner Powerwall 3 expansion unit. I'm confused.
I believe you're correct that it's a PW3 and a battery-only PW3 behind it.
The PW3 and the expansion pack are the same size, except the expansion pack is 1" thinner. The PW3 and expansion pack can be stacked together to minimize their footprint. The expansion pack would go against the wall first, because the expansion batteries are not serviceable. The PW3 is on the outside of the stack.
Can you keep on Tesla about the option to charge the Powerwalls with a generator? Thanks
Yeah if the powerwalls had support for generators and could use either string or micro inverters that would just make them perfect.
That would be sorta badass if you could actually buy a pack that is set up exactly like the Anker with the lights inside.
Grid charge is an option in the Tesla app.
How does the enphase compare?
Comparison with ecoflow?
What's a watt? And why do you need a thousand of them? J.k.
Absolutely.
Tesla has LFP batteries. What does the Anker have?
The Solix X1 utilizes Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4).
What’s the best way to use
My ford F-150 Lighting to power my home ?
Read the manual?
Does either work with existing solar panels that are AC coupled?
Yes, both can work with existing AC coupled panels, although the wattage input on the PW3 is limited a bit.
Wow such a good job… well done
What are the base prices?
They're similar. I believe it's around 10k for the PW3 (13.5kwh) and 11k for the X1 (15kwh stack).
Do any of these units monitor for heat or have fire suppression capabilities?
They all have overheat protection built in, however no unit currently out there has fire suppression capabilities, that'd be an entirely separate system you'd have to install if required.
@@bradforrester2417 That is incorrect, Tesla Powerwall 3, EG4, to name a few, do in fact have intergraded fire suppression. Most of the units being built today have integrated FS as more and more municipalities require it.
@@davidh5309 Ahem - the datasheet for Tesla Powerwall 3, no fire suppression capability whatsoever. It has a fire RATING, but that is not suppression. energylibrary.tesla.com/docs/Public/EnergyStorage/Powerwall/3/Datasheet/en-us/Powerwall-3-Datasheet.pdf
The EG4 PowerPro has fire ARRESTORS, which are essentially a heat-rated breaker. Again not suppression. eg4electronics.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/PowerPro-WallMount-AW-Brochure.pdf
Did you hear any dates yet?
Sometime "soon" I believe! ;)
The economics and value of PowerWall 3 is unmatched. That combined with a single unit able to push 11kw means you can have just one unit to support an entire house. Combine it with a large solar array (which would also lower or zero your electric bill) and you can have power indefinitely during power outages.
PowerWall 3 is going to severely undermine competition. Even SunRun which used to directly compete with Tesla and did not use Tesla products realized their only way to compete is to offer PW3 as well.
I would go Anker, and if not then the Delta Pro Ultra
Anker: when you turn main breaker off, power will come to panel from power station.
Tesla: power station connected to electricity meter, after switching main breaker off panel will be dead.
Tesla is more safe for DIY-ers.
I didn't think Tesla would let you DIY install a powerwall. I was told you have to have a certified Tesla installer perform the turn-up. Has that changed?
@@DG8RS Where I wrote about DIY powerwall installing? I told that powerwall has safe circuit schematics, which keeps panel dead when main breaker is off.
Both the X1 and the PW3 require professional installation.
Ben, you left out a few MAJOR points, for example the USA software is much more reliable and secure than Ankers Chinese software.
The tesla powerwalls are more efficient with DC to DC charging Vs Anker taking DC solar panels converted to A/C then back to DC to charge the battery’s
Tesla doesn’t have a generator input, but they have a level 2 charger that’s able to bidirectional power you home or the home can power the EV. Thats a HUGE advantage.
Tesla has better inrush current support- you briefly mentioned it, but didn’t emphasize how important that is. The Anker and Enphase end up requiring load shedding panels that make the complicated installation even more expensive
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! I did mention most of those points, just not exactly how you explained them. The round trip efficiency is pretty similar despite the DC/AC coupled differences. The bidirectional power is a good point that I didn't think to include.
Really appreciate the feedback!
I don't find "the home powering the EV" to be a useful feature. Who would want to drain a 13.5kWh ESS into a 75kWh EV? Any ESS system will enable EV charging during grid-outage by allowing the PV to continue operation in off-grid mode.
V2H sounds cool but is it really useful? In a prolonged grid outage scenario, both Anker and PW3 can grid-form and enable any AC-coupled rooftop PV during the day. So the ESS capacity only needs to power the home from ~ 6pm-9am. It's useful if the homeowner wants to run a 5 ton AC all day and night.
As for Tesla reliability, features, integration, ease-of-install, yes, those are hard to beat.
@@BenjaminSahlstrom The Tesla solution with a Tesla Powerwall 3 and Tesla Cybertruck (Universal Wall Connector aka UWC) is not known/working at this point. It ONLY currently works with other Tesla Powerwall versions AND a special PowerShare Gateway 3V(vehicle).
IMO I think the Big Battery Ethos is a better option than either Anker or Tesla.
Why? Also can you charge the battery from a generator hook-up (as a priority)? ie. run generator during the afternoon and be silent overnight
Be careful if you want to install it in your house. Many municipalities, including NYC don’t allow them in houses because of risk of fire. You will not get a permit for it. If you install it anyway and have a fire, your insurance will deny the claim.
1 of 2253 Red dot 2024 winner.... first time to know red dot got sooooo many winner.
Solix has a generator input. Win.
Tesla power wall 3 meter collars are catching on fire! 😂😂😂 I installed my own system and pulled a super nice tax credit. Then I said screw you to the building department and electric utility and I do not have a permit and I do not have an interconnection agreement. my system is in PV self consumption mode with zero export. Return on investment is under three years.
No prices here or on their web site. I think we all know what that means.
Well, if it ain't price, it's because they won't sell it direct without a "professional installer".
I'm getting the Anker Solix X1 installed and my cost from the installer is $22k for 2 power modules (12kw) and 6 batteries (30kwh).
@@MichaelMarshall53 do you currently have solar as well, or is that getting installed at the same time? I'm in Massachusetts, and I've been quoted as high as $35,000 to purchase solar only for my home. I don't think I will spend $35,000 in electric before I die. LoL
@@m3rdpwr no I'm getting solar installed too. For the entire system it's $36k. $35k just for solar... that's a hard pill to swallow.
A Tesla powerwall, sold to an Installer, is $7400. Now ya know. But yes, you have to be a Tesla certified install partner to be able to purchase.
As someone who is looking at having solar panels put on a hip roof the Anker system's micro inverter has more appeal to my case use. I also own two EVs here in MN one both capable of vehicle to home so while a battery backup is kind of redundant with the vehicles (if I had the v2h systems installed) and at least one vehicle home at the time of an outage. There really isn't a need for me to have dedicated batteries when one vehicle has a 99.8Kw battery pack and the other has a 138Kw battery pack.
one thing to keep in mind about micro inverters is that they seem to fail more than you think. my aunt has them on her house, enphase units and she has had several fail in 4 years, and every time they do you have to go up there and change it which is a royal pain on hers atleast.
I have had a 16kw solar system for 5 years now in MN. I put solar panels on the roof of my pole barn and my garage. When it snows, you need to clean off the panels or they won't work. My first winter with solar sucked. Very little power. The panels on the pole barn roof were too high to get at and clean. the next summer, I had my panels removed from my barn roof and I put in a ground mount. Best thing I ever did. The ground mount tilts for seasonal sun angle. It does not track the sun. Winter sun angle is about 58 degrees. Now cleaning panels in easy and solar power is great. 120 megawatts collected since Oct of 2018.
Interesting. Hopefully they have improved the reliability over the years. Will be interesting to see how the Anker MI80 performs over time.
@@beefitter that works in rural/ farmsteads. Not so much in suburbs unfortunately.
@@koryleach9660 that is true. I was just saying if you have the option, a ground mount works better in MN. Just trying to give you my experience so you wouldn’t regret the install, without knowing all the options.
Both are expensive "showoffs". Bought a 12 KW DEYE inverter with 14.4 KW panels 2 years ago & made a 43 kWh 6000 Cycle LFP cell based battery for it. Total cost of that was 25.000 US$ incl. 25% VAT. Micro inverters would be an absolutely no go here. Overhyped and overcomplicating vs. traditional panels which for sure will punish you after some years when they start to fail. Owning a Tesla i would never EVER get s Tesla Powerwall the way the software is flawed in my car and 100% controlled by whatever Tesla/Elon decides is best for them. DYI and save a lot of money.
He completely missed the additional battery packs that you can run with the Tesla power wall.
10k per unit for powerwall, more or less. That is per the " this old house" website.
How many affordable server rack batteries can I add? Oh none,well Then they can pound sand!
Definitely not a great solution for interoperability with components from other manufacturers...
Cool, but .... too expensive
Crap is so expensive that is hard to mention the price
Anker 100% Chinese. Tesla American Nevada. That's all you need to know
No money for Musk, ef him
Actually, Tesla has a lot of Panasonic items in it. Panasonic actually works out of a Tesla plant in the US. You really think it's all sourced in America? 😂
I'd choose Anker over Tesla anything any day because it is reliable. Just cuz it was made in China doesn't mean it's cheap or less quality. That applies to some items made in China not all. All our cell phones are made in China they work pretty well most brands.
@The_Solar_Guy_Eric the guy clearly does not look at the tags or info on all the items in his home. I'd say a good 90% of all items are made in China
@@missdee212 I LOVE Anker. Have a ton of their stuff, but I've had more dead Anker devices than Tesla so far. Where are you reading the powerwalls are unreliable?
lol diy home energy is the best idea all this stuffs are too expensive
Anker
I like the Anker features and the fact that it is 100% Musk-free.
You do know there are more employees at Tesla, like a lot more.
Expensive and unnecessary.