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What a great video! Thank you. As an INFP, I wanted to be a teacher, however, at that time, there was an overabundance of teachers. About 25 years later my daughter was diagnosed with cancer as a teenager, We did traditional Chemo & Radiation. Not long after, I was introduced to Naturopathic Healing & Therapies. I knew it was right for me and attended a school for 5 years. Now in my 70s, people are really beginning to realize that prevention is the best medicine, to stay healthy and create longevity. It was a perfect career choice for an INFP! I'm teaching people how to use prevention & how to stay healthy, naturally.
I'm 38. In my 20s I was creative. Then I went through a period of normalizing--I got married, had kids, and worked a steady job throughout my late 20s and early 30s, a very normalizing job that I still have to this day, but one which inspires passion, commitment, and continued development. In my mid 30s I got divorced and had to regroup and pick up the pieces. I determined that I did not know enough about myself, nor others. I didn't truly understand, so I started seeking to understand. And so began my interest in typology and a growing focus on others. The way they communicate, their motivations, behavior, intent, speech patterns, body language--it all became so fascinating to me. Turning inward, I decided what I truly wanted for myself was wisdom, and I set off after it. I figured I should work on my inferior function since that's what people do at my age, so I did, and started a personal business that remains a wonderful hobby and modest source of income to this day. But Te wasn't the end. Something was pulling me towards Si, and Ni. I'm a 9w1 btw. Somewhere along the way I decided it was important to begin expressing my empathy outwards. I noticed when I opened up to others, people began to open up to me as well, and they started coming to me for advice and listening. Whenever they talk I often enter a flow state where they have my complete attention in the moment. And all of this set me on the harmonizing path that I am on now. It's like a whole new peaceful world. Si becomes much more important for self-care, and I find myself devoting a larger amount of my free alone time towards continued research and knowledge seeking into the understanding of the human condition. In this way, Si has become empowered as it assists Fi. In the past when I battled depression FI + Si would mostly ruminate on negative experiences, but now it is optimistic and proving to be the way forward for me. Meanwhile, Ne is dulled a bit. I no longer feel a great urge to use it towards creative endeavors so much as it is now used more as an observational tool to provide insight and often accurate understandings of other's motivations and desires. What is crazy is that I am finally beginning to feel a sense of peace, wisdom, and internal balance as a harmonizer. I think back and wonder what life would have been like if I had access to these skills in my 20s and early 30s. Ni is next on my list to work on, but to be honest, I think Ni has already begun to establish itself as it has brought me to this incredible place that I am at right now. I'm starting to get it. Thanks!
I can relate. I'm the same age but I shifted from normalizing to creative. Now I feel like I'm gradually tending more towards a harmonizing subtype too. I really hope I'm right since I'm so sick of being the struggling artist. I really want to be at peace and happy.
Careers, as a topic, is always hard for me. It’s always a stark reminder that I will never be valuable, or bring anything unique to the world. And yet, still, I wish it so.
You yourself are already valuable and unique. You should focus on your interests and passions and find your own way for exploiting your strengths. I know it's hard, but it's possible and I believe you can do it. Also, if you're struggling with depression, I can tell you that it can completely go away, but you have to improve the areas in your life that you feel are lacking, and the spiritual aspect was the most important for me. I had good health, was on the path to improving and developing what I love doing, had love all around me, but life just seemed like a cruel chore to me until I understood its value and significance; and my role in it. Helping others in some way truly gives me satisfaction and makes me feel like I make the world a better place, and sometimes that can be done simply by attentively listening to someone else and making them feel heard and supported.
Lol, i think i used to force myself to be the dominant INFP but once i was honest and forgiving with myself it became very obvious I am the Creative style. Now I'm literally an actor, writer, and yoga instructor and, outside of guiding, i have no desire to manage other people in any strict capacity. Literally enrolled to take a language course this year and plan to learn to make bread. Just be doing sh*t 😂
As a 46 yr old INFP (I always tested this way) I have been all of these INFPs at one time or another, but I probably favor the harmonizing variant now. I don't want to judge anyone. I have limitless sympathy, especially for others who have fallen short. Basically, I seek to give everyone a place to exist and develop themselves. At work (an ethanol company operator) I have a lot of experience and tend to be dominant or normalizing for the sake of the people around me. I taught music for ten years as well, and also favored these in that role. At home, I'm very different. I allow myself the time to be creative (something I don't do in a work place). I write songs and make musical arrangements. I'm defiantly individualistic at home, in stark contrast to myself at work, who tries mostly to unify people.
Ya ll said that we should get out of our comfort zone and use our Ne. But as a "normalizing INFP" which I don't buy into, you say stay in your comfort zone? Also, I drove an 18 wheeler for a while and class b for 4 years- so much for clumsy.
I'm a harmonizer INFP. I don't really enjoy my job, but I write, draw, paint, and compose ambient/dream pop music. I wish I could find a way out of my day job so I can do what I love to do, but I can't seem to make it out.
Great episode. I just found out I am an INFP after taking a couple different versions of the test. In highschool I think I tested as an ENTJ, I am now on the very edge of early middle age. I didn't finish my degree as a dual theater/physics major and adventured in my 20s, but now I have kids and have a steady job in banking for as long as I've been a father. The work I despise and don't consider banking my career so I've looking to go back to school and psychology has been right up there.
As an INFP, I went down the normalizer path in my twenties. I focused on education and got my BA in psychology and went for my Masters. However, I have always had a free spirited bent (e.g., got tattoos as soon as I could to everyone’s shock because I never spoke about doing such things 😊) and felt like my freedom was being stripped away. I kept feeling the urge to create something. I would ignore it or dabble in some artistic medium but went back to my studies. Anyway, as I was working on my graduate degree, something broke and I found myself looking for something more. Eventually, I discovered tapestry weaving and fell in love with the medium. It filled me with so much energy and life. I never felt that way with anything before. I dropped out of graduate school. So, I am guessing my flavor is now creative. I have also tried many types of jobs from customer service, behavioral tutor working with special needs, data entry, veterinary/kennel assistance, and custodian.
I think I made the same shift but I think it had to do with the level of acceptance of my personality type from surrounding people. The more I connected with like-minded people, the more creative I became. But I guess it was always there... When I was perceived as a naive dreamer, I guess I was forced to normalize.
Thank you for this. As a "Normalized" INFP, I was employed as an electrical engineer for decades. I was the one design team member who enjoyed writing specifications and doing estimates. In my spare time, for decades, I played violin/fiddle. During covid, I quit working (age 61), and I have been spending much more time busking at farmers markets (and blogging about it).
I found your podcast a few years ago and I don't even remember how. But I'm an INFP and I've tested this multiple times throughout my life. It resonates with me in ways I can't put into words (which sounds like that's not so uncommon with infp). I'm almost 36 and still feel like I don't know what the hell I'm doing on this earth because I can't seem to find my place. I've had an internal feeling that I need to contribute something but don't know what. It's finally sunken in that I've been fighting to fit in. Anyway. I've recently started diving into this because my motivation and dreamer part of my mind is feeling squashed. The career has been hands down the hardest to figure out because I'm surrounded by very opposite personality types who seem to just know what they want to do. This would have changed my entire life had I understood why I'm different compared to everyone else around me. And if only I could have developed the ability to not want to please everyone. I just always wanted people around me to be okay. Anyway. Thanks for doing what you're doing. I also was blown away to realize you are located right up the road from me. I went to college in Gettysburg HACC for nursing (received my RN in 2020). I'm still listening to this and haven't finished it yet but that creative type is definitely sounding like me. Especially the feeling that I don't know how people just KNOW what to do (like paying taxes and all the stupid paperwork and maintenance that comes with being human). Somehow I manage to get through things but it does feel like I put so much effort into the wrong type of thing to be "successful". ---edit---- nope, I identify with the harmonizing subtype even more.
You are very much an INFP with this response! Lol It's not easy to decide what to do as a career. I get so bored so easily and so quickly! I always thought that was a flaw but it usually means that I have learned all there is to know about the thing, OR, I have learned enough to know that that thing is not for me, so I move on. I have to keep learning and doing because it is how I gather information about the human experience. There are certainly times I am not moving or doing, but I am still learning. Maybe I am learning about myself in those times, or just reflecting or pondering or practicing or dreaming but to me, it's all the same. It is vital to my existence. I can't imagine how boring life must be for people that pick one thing and do that forever. That sounds like my worst nightmare! Ha And as for explaining ourselves with words, we are hard on ourselves and we think we can't explain ourselves well enough, but we usually do, and often VERY well, *to our amazment*. However I have been told at times I have given incomplete thoughts or explanations. Things connect perfectly in my head but if I'm in a rush to get them out and definitely if I am interrupted, I can't be sure I got them out right and it's like a little birdie came and snatched away my words or rearranged them and now I don't know if they make sense the way I needed them to. Lol, Kinda, like that thought there!
I can definitely relate to the trying to fit in thing. Also the stupid paperwork necessary to get through life. I would add the irritation of money to that. This video helped open my eyes and gave me the keys to myself. I can now truly inhabit who I am and craft an authentic future. Glad to have met you
I listened to your podcast episode and found it extremely interesting. Thank you so much! My husband is actually a librarian in a law firm. Indeed, this job means more than just helping people find the right books and putting them back. He needs to make daily newletters with new additions, they have to decide on new books to order, digitalize stuff, etc. But of course, he would much rather be a fulltime writer, every INFPs dream, until reality kicks in. 😊 I’m 38, and I grew up in an S-family as a normalizing subtype. Still, there was a huge creative urge that I often had to hide. Although my creative side was rarely appreciated, I shifted towards a creative subtype. I wanted to become a writer, got a master’s degree in language and literature and went from one unfulfilling commercial or teaching job to another, often ending in a burn-out, bore-out or depression, until I started my own copywriting and voice-over business ten years ago. Once I got more freedom and I eventually got married to another INFP, I started taking writing seriously, because my partner did. Before, I had countless unfinished novels, outlines, short stories, blogs, etc. on my computer, smartphone and cupboards full of notebooks. With my husband I started creating epic fantasy novels. We actually put them on RUclips as dramatized audiobooks and started a community on Patreon a couple of years ago. At this point, it’s still more like a hobby, since we don’t nearly earn enough money to cover all the software, music, artwork and sound-effects, let alone feed ourselves and our two sons. We rent a small apartment and while our small group of fans online really appreciate our work, we are considered the losers of the neighbourhood, struggling with simple daily tasks. Still, we are so grateful for the steps we have taken and the progress we’re making. We’re grateful for the people who support us. The fans of our work feel like they’re real friends, even though we have never met them in real life and most live miles away. But, they seem to understand us better than most. We will probably remain the struggling artists for a while, possibly as long as there is ‘another job’ supporting us that is not just our own creative projects, even if it’s our own business. It’s just hard dealing with taxes, accountancy, and customers. Unless I’m really into a company or product it’s hard to help sell it with my writing and I’m terrible at selling our own business and my service, although I only have satisfied customers. We survive because of their word-of-mouth advertising. Since I started obsessing about the MBTI, I experience a shift towards the harmonizing subtype and I agonize over quitting my business and getting a degree as a clinical psychologist, which was always my second choice after languages. But I worry that I’ll bring patient’s problems home and that they’ll keep me up at night. So, for now, I just keep combining creative writing with my copywriting job. I recently invested in software that will help me with my accounting and my accountant is also an INFP with a heart for creative companies. We INFPs can experience progress more slowly than other types, but here’s to hoping that in the end, we’ll get there.
I sent this to a friend of mine and it has helped her alot. Based on this, I'd say I am the creative subtype, but have forced myself into normalizing roles. Have always worked 9 - 5s, saved up enough to take 6 months off and take unofficial "sabbaticals" b/c I need that break from "normal" society to allow my mind to work in the way it naturally "wants" to. I'd say someone with the creative subtype CAN thrive in normalizing roles, but if they don't devote extensive time to that "outlet" that let's creative subtypes thrive, they will go crazy. I have been there. I thought I was an INTP for years b/c of the jobs I was picking and the way I worked ON the job. Turns out while I have creative tendencies I value a certain sense of "comfort" to keep my options open, money does that for me which is why I've picked the jobs I have. I was always the one who went "against the grain" in the office in terms of professional dress (I wear black tees, henleys in offices where ppl are wearing shirts and ties). I'd ALWAYS be in a position where ppl did not take me seriously b/c I was always goofing off or asking my work group "taboo" questions to get some cool dialogue going - until they saw my output. Then my "weaknesses" became my "strengths" - as in being goofy was now welcomed and appreciated b/c my work output was better than everyone else's by far. Not a knock, but I have never wanted to risk becoming the "starving artist" but as I've gotten older (37 now) the urge of addressing my "creative" side at the expense of more practical living is becoming stronger and stronger. And the idea of the "starving artist" is not becoming so unacceptable to me as times goes on. I'm slowly coming to the realization that feeding my "soul" is IMPERATIVE for me, as opposed to a "nice to do".
I can relate to taking on normalizing roles, since I have forced myself into several jobs that were not right for me for a long time, but I could never sustain for long. I actually got physically ill when I was not creating or using those particular talents that nobody asked for. The same was true for my INFP husband. So, he took a parttime job and I started a small copywriting and voice-over business, and we became struggling artists. I’m terrible at selling my services and my prices are way too low for what we offer. We get by, just enough to pay the rent and buy food for ourselves and our two sons, and pay the school bills, but we get to create in the time we have left, and we know it’s the best thing we can do to keep us happy spouses and parents. Sure, we have the degrees to take fancy full-time jobs and earn more money. But we’d barely see our awesome kids and we’d be too tired to create after a long day of work and forced socializing. It would be a matter of time before we got miserable and took it out on each other. So, we’re grateful for where we are now. We’ve got a roof over our heads, and we can write and produce epic fantasy novels. The creative projects give us just the right amount of energy to conquer our working days and tame our little rascals.
I'd say you are a normalising type as you are able to do that 6 months of normality rather than just totally commit. Everyone has their own path that's right for them so I hope it works for you
I am somehow all of these. I've done multiple tests since school, and I come up as infp-a. I have dropped out of college twice, and been back in community college for a year towards marketing and advertising. Languages are my big thing. I can study them all day. From the language itself to etymology and full histories.
I think as a young child I was more in-tune with my creative subtype but was constantly told by the world around me that that wasn't ok & eventually I'd have to "grow up" which lead me to moving into a normalizing subtype where I stayed for most of my young adult life after high school. As I got older into my 30s I started hating myself & feeling as though I'd lost something precious by trying to conform so much for so long & I began my self development quest where I learned about MBTI & enneagram, throughout this process I believe I've transitioned into a harmonizing subtype of INFP now that I'm 40 & have been through so much. I can occasionally catch glimpses of the dominant subtype in myself but it's very rare & only appears when I specifically need to be assertive or am placed in an active leadership role of some kind. Thank you for this podcast, this has been very informative & helpful; it also has cast another perspective on why I seem to consistently mistype as an INFJ even though upon studying my cognitive functions I truly am an INFP, I thought it had something to do with being an enneagram type 9 but I had a feeling that couldn't be the whole story. Thank you again for sharing, I will likely continue to mull this over & look further into it now that I have more language to use along my journey towards self-discovery. Take Care & Be Well.
I am a harmoniser INFP (later in life) however was a normaliser when younger. My career of choice, Occupational Therapy, was just right for me as an INFP due to the capacity to carve out individual niches and explore various areas as I gained life experience. It is also a career where listening skills are important and honed over time and practitioners are exposed to a great diversity in the human experience.
Okay I'm going to be the one on the library pedestal/soapbox right now haha. It is sooo much more involved than just knowing the decimal system and plucking a book off a shelf for someone. Someone may come in and want help finding a grave of an ancestor, the next moment someone wants to know book series specifically for a 3rd grader that involves detectives, then the next moment someone needs help using a computer who has no knowledge of that, etc. it's complex. Aside from direct patron needs, it involves constantly building the collection for your diverse population, knowing what to buy and what to get rid of continuously as well as cataloging all of those books into a database, and creating highly specific records within that database for each individual item. It's a whole complex system. You have to know about databases, how to research, how to curate, you have to know about every genre, all the current hot topics and authors, aside from dealing with psychosocial issues you come across when dealing with certain members of the public since libraries are often safe spaces for transient individuals. Also fundraising, marketing, and social media content creation. Not to mention designing and running events and programming. It is definitely a career you dedicate yourself to, not a "job."
All of that being said, not sure of my subtype, but library work is too much public interaction for me although I really believe in the mission of free access to information for all. My worst career path was in advertising, pitching to people and sales was a nightmare. My favorite thing I've done in the past was founding a music magazine & website- lots of various creative projects all the time involving writing, photography, graphic design, etc. But came to realize I'd rather create my own art rather than be a journalist covering Other people's art so that ended. Kind of stumbled into library work, but I would much rather do some kind of work that doesn't involve clocking in or tons of working with the public. Thinking I truly want to shift to either writing fiction or just something more independent and artistic.
I have ALWAYS been a creative INFP for all of my life. I can Now see why operating in the form of a "normalizing" INFP has been so difficult for me. Its polarly opposite than my natural creative side. Ive always thought I had to be "normal" in order to suceed in life. This really showed me how to capitalize more on my creative, idealistic traits. Im 35 now and I can definitely say I'm more into my "Harmonizing" era. After all of my lifes experiences I now feel like i have the wisdom to navigate life appropriately compared to the avg person. I no longer have on the rose colored glasses of my youth but now see life thru the lense of there is more than meets the eye! This was so enlightening and very accurate. ❤
I've had a similar experience. I'm 38 and only now I've started to return to my true creative self, how I was as a child before the world told me what to do and what not to do. It's been liberating. 🙂
INFP, 5w4. I can see myself in all subtypes in different scenarios. The one's dominating my life the most have been the harmonizer and creative subtypes. I've tried many jobs that I've left after a short time when I was in my teens and 20s to get by like working at an interior store, kindergarten substitute on call, ironware storage with my ISTP dad, spice factory, and considered many others. They were all just part-time while also figuring out what I really wanted, like being creative. So I graduated as an illustrator for the experience, dropped the idea of continuing as a curator, and now considering programming and Ai in my 30s. Atm I'm just thriving living an introverted life with a cat and liking my freedom and waiting for my school application for part-time advanced math and just taking more focus on my health, art, and wandering nature, and visiting family in the countryside. Traveling the world any time I can afford it.
you are a real INFP. i ve changed a lot of jobs also. i know the feeling of being trapped and just having to do it, without having a real satisfaction. i am an INFP also, recently discovered.
I typed INFP on your website which is what I’ve always typed but I never felt sure that this was correct because I am creative, but I love my comfort zone aka rut. So it makes sense that I’m a normalizing INFP. Now I’m ready to learn how to use my co-pilot to get out of that rut. But I’m pretty fearful of failure and judgement. Thanks for all these videos. I really appreciate your work!
Same here. The generic infp description never quite fitted I'm not particularly creative though I love art films and music but my strengths are in maths and science...infp normaliser is the closest match I'm likely to ever get. Kind of relieved that I don't feel I need to match the emo cry baby poet infp stereotype any more
I wish this podcast had been available to me while I was coming of age. I was born into a small, hyper SJ society. There weren't many career options besides what was already available, and any form of artistic endeavour as a career paid in trinkets. I was very likely a lost Creative for a few years, until I decided to sell out and Normalise. I've been normalising for 15 years now, and have reached the end of this bullshxt corporate life (in between, I tried to marry Normalising with Creative but superiors were never half as imaginative, and had even less volume of balls, for any of my ideas to be implemented let alone come to fruition). Over these 15 years, I've been through the gamut - both personal and professional - and have reached a cross roads (again on both fronts) right this very moment. I have wanted to write creatively for the longest time. In about one year, I will be able to drop the life I know today, and leave for a more beautiful, meaningful life of tomorrow. I believe I've morphed into a Harmoniser, and everyday I am getting a better idea of the things I can do to achieve personal fulfillment.
This content can be a real help for those who are not sure if they are an INFP or an INFJ. It took me couple of years to find my type. As a creative subtype of an INFJ I find my self in the description of the creative subtype of an INFP (and in the harmonizing one as well a little bit). But I totally find myself in all the INFJ subtypes (even I prefer one of them more then others).
I used to think the "librarian" career path suggestion was hokey, but in the data and analytics world, a new job to add to these lists would be data steward. Beyond the term, I now see the goal as keeping things organized to help others find what they need where they expect. For INFPs, data and analytics is a great area to find fulfillment for your subtypes, like: - creativity through building reports/dashboards - analyzing data and finding innovative solutions to help others - organization and structure through data management, data steward (like a librarian) - providing insights to assist others in making large and small decisions - helping others make their jobs/lives easier through your data efforts.
Wow. This has to be the most helpful podcast I have heard in a very long time. And right on time unsurprisingly. I always thought I was an intp, but of course there was some dissonance with that, something that felt off lol, the F not the T 🤦♀️. It's only this year that I guess I finally woke up to, or perhaps gave myself permission to embrace my own nature. I fought so hard and for so long to be that normalized type, but all along I am actually the creative type. It's freeing to finally breathe into clarifying my own authenticity. Imagine a INFP who would fight against their own self in this way! Thank you for such a dive into this type 😊
Man, the dominant version of INFP fits me so well. I always thought I was an INFP but always felt too domineering to be one, I also tend to have relatively quick brains and I am highly driven.
Library school dropout here. It’s a WONDERFUL field but yes, Master’s Degree most often required. But i do know someone who is a city library director & worked her way up with a Bachelor’s degree and work experience
As an INFP stuck in a creative career in their 50s, I feel lost and aimless. I wake up everyday with a desire to quit my job and find an environment that is truly nurturing and allows me to be me…but I don’t know where to look. I am driven, but feeling directionless and possibly sidelined at my work day-by-day.
Antonia and Joel, thank you for this video. Also, I like the shoutouts to Dr. Dario Nardi and Viktor Gulenko! After better understanding these subtypes, I have to say that I mostly identify with the "Normalizing" subtype, because I have had to use a lot of introverted sensation to maintain stability. I believe a huge factor of this ties into my South Asian cultural roots. Because of this, my extraverted sensation function can really suffer, especially when I rush myself to get things done. I will say that I also see traits of the dominant subtype in myself, because I have been channeling more of that assertiveness.
Thank you for this information on sub-types. I struggled to see where I fit in the typing, as mentioned I felt anyway of being a sensing judging and perceptive type. I only knew one thing for sure, introversion. After listening to this podcast, I now understand that I am an infp, which has traits in all four sub types, relating to different stages of life. I do know now I am predominantly normalizing, and as I am older, are gravitating to harmonizing a bit more. Once again, I love understanding myself first before trying to understand others, and this session helped tremendously.
To become a librarian you need a masters (?) degree in library science. This is needed for most librarian positions but if I remember correctly you don’t need it to work in a school library.
I can relate to all subtype. I am a teacher by profession, now I do media stuffs like video editing, graphics design, scriptwriting. I love psychology, knowing people. I love biking and exploring new things. 😅 I think its great to be an INFP, someone who see life as colorful as a rainbow.
Excellent podcast episode, I really enjoyed the depth and preparation you put in to your discussion. One point of feedback: a lot of youtube content now has the chapter markers which would be wonderful to include. I identified with the creative sub-type and wanted to rewind and listen to that, instead of being trapped in the "normalized" part of the discussion. Not a huge deal, just some feedback for you folks. Much love, thank you for the content!
I'm 42 so not that old, lol but I feel like Im the harmonious INFP. Especially when she said a downfall to it is feeling like youre going to die with all this good stuff in your head. Lol
My career choice is based on what is most stable and lucrative (federal) and I sadly don't seem to believe in the wisdom of any other career choices. You mentioned two of my dream jobs in the list. I'd add preschool teacher.
I was a teacher of cosmetology, eventually a supervisor of a cosmetology school and now I’m retired and do sculpture. I also have Aphantasia - it would be interesting to know if other INFPs have Aphantasia.
For the last few years, I've been mainly normalizing with an undercurrent of harmonizing. I'm currently a graphic designer at a university and have had a few different jobs since getting my bachelor's in 2013.
I’m sure Big Librarian will be here spinning their usual spin soon 😂 Lol but in reality most Libraries are in institutions. And think of the archives in the bottom of university libraries. They track, care for, move around the country lots of very unique things. Ask one of these people for help and you will quickly find you’re dealing with a highly knowledgeable, super sharp secret research agent. And probably an infp
Matt, this comment helped me so much at this juncture. Glad to see you’ve stayed in alignment at various stages yet allowed yourself to evolve. Way to BE! ❤
Wow. I definitely resonate with the creative type. I have been trying to normalize so hard, especially the last 10 years, but it's led to nothing but job hopping and dissatisfaction. Now I'm 40 and feel dead inside! I do have my creative hobbies but they feel so uninspired. 🙁
Very fascinating content and to consider the consequence on a Dominant INFP should they sustain a drop in testosterone, could cause need of a significant reorient to another in-type proclivity.
Interesting. I didn't know the subtypes and solely based on the names, I thought I'd be mostly creative, but I think I'm actually 45% harmonizing, 30% creative, 15% normalizing and 10% dominant. I've always felt and been called an "old soul" and also that I would be an awesome psychologist/therapist, but I've loved the arts passionately since I can remember (specially singing, which I'm currently fortunate enough of making a living from) and just can't see myself living without being involved with singing in some way. But I've always found it easy to empathize to an extreme with others and remember how others have reacted to all kinds of things... However it's very easy for me to express what I think or feel, and my interests are way more oriented to expressing my visions in the most accurate way, that also brings light to and inspires others, on top of being beautiful to the senses. I struggle the most with motivation, discipline and mundane tasks and practicality. Also, I'm sure i'd enjoy teaching but outside of that, I despise public speaking. I think anything bigger than a classroom I would dislike speaking in.
I've found that I resonate with the harmonizing sub-type. You said it's mostly older INFPs, and I'm 37, so maybe I fit into that range. But I find that I'm quite introverted--I also have social anxiety, so I don't actually talk to many people--but I have always been interesting in people; I still like being "around" people, and I have this weird fixation where I focus on someone I connect with and learn everything about them (it's an interest, and sometimes even a hunger, if I come across the right person). This level of interest is more rare, of course. But I think, this is why I'm more drawn to cities and urban areas as opposed to the stereotype that infps love nature (of course, I still enjoy nature, too). I was listening along and found that I resonated a bit with all the types, but with each of the others, there was always a clear, "no, that's not me" point that came up. But with harmonizer, I was saying "yes, yes" to pretty much everything. The reason I would say it takes a long time to reach "harmonizer" from my point of view is that, I spent most of my life reflecting and observing my own self. And I reached a point where I have come to know myself like a very detailed map. There's still lots of room to progress, of course, but it's less mysterious these days, and it's more about finding ways to express that creatively. And so, I have started to turn my "gaze" upon others, and become preoccupied with learning them very deeply. A lot of experiences, creative work, and therapy have helped me reach this point too. I work as a freelance editor of a creative project, by the way, and I do write short stories and have been developing a few long-term novel projects over the years. I am dedicated to creative ideas expressed through writing and related forms (especially those that delve into the human condition). Oh yes, and one more thing: I like finding ways to boost my creative drive. And I find that being around other people who have strong creative energy gives me an upsurge of ideas and drive. And so, I like gravitating towards people who have this natural creative energy.
I'm 38 and a clear creative subtype now but since I became more aware of my own software, I start getting more harmonizing tendencies. I've become even more conflict-avoiding, not feeling the urge anymore to address issues or injustices and I love to dig into people's motivations and desires more. I think this started when I became a mum. I wish you all the best with your writing! I'm a freelance copywriter/editor and creative writer too and I couldn't be anything else for my own sanity. 🙂
Wanting to comment! I feel like I’m a mix of the normalizing and harmonizing types. Definitely can feel all of the “flavors” but those two really hit hard so to speak. Would like to say more but I’m exhausted! 😵💫
I strongly identify with the harmonising subtype. No wonder I wanted to become a therapist or counsellor to help people through their mental health journey.
I believe I am more dominant and creative. I love creativity but enjoy analizing and the call to improve the world is strong. I studied Business Administration and love creating music, art and design. My stubborn heart pulls me in different directions without choosing. It is exhausting.😅
hey guys! Joel, I"m going to take you up on your invitation, & grab the "mike". But first the credits: to my partner, for noticing this episode & pointing me to it (tbh I got a bit bored with PH & haven't listened for a while - no offence - I get bored with things too easily); & second to you guys & Dario - really interesting stuff! I began to share my story, but this is a public platform, & I have to be cognoscente of the trails I leave behind. However I wanted to say this: I strongly resonated with all of the subtypes in some manner. The way this has been presented, that's not really possible. My partner did mention, if I recall correctly, that your subtype might be situation dependant? If so, that would explain a lot. I work in IT. I've had people trying to push me in to leadership. I'd need to be able to trust leadership to do that, & - no offence intended to anyone that has, or is, leading me - I really can't do that - I got burned pretty badly in "acting leader" positions in the past, & can't imagine anything worse than actually formalizing it! I prefer to "lead from the seat I'm in" - much easier. Insulting sometimes, but I just brush that stuff off nowadays. Anyway, again, great episode. Toodles :)
This is super-incredibly fascinating!! I have a few questions in response to this: 1.) The dominant subtype sounds quite ENFJ-ish, and I know that ENFJ is the INFP's shadow type, and also the type whose traits they integrate into their conscious mind if/when they evolve/self-actualize. Considering that, wouldn't that be the type that more INFPs mature into, along with the harmonizing type? 2.) Since the INFP creative subtype is the most bubbly and extroverted of all the subtypes, and also has a form of Fi that is less rigid and more flexible/compromising and a form of Ne that is more powerful/uncompromising than other INFP subtypes, and since ENFPs are the most introverted extroverts and the most similar to INFPs of all the MBTI types, how can you tell an ENFP from an INFP creative subtype?
I resonate most with Creative and Harmonizing. I feel I have been forced to normalize over my career. My big question is how does one build a working model of oneself? Over time I thought I had ADHD, was emotionally disregulated etc etc but this approach provided a new pathway of looking at things. I have experimented with different combination of productivity apps seeking to balance the interior and external realities (it's been a challenge). Has anyone made any progress along this route? I would be interested to hear the process/see the model
I know this may sound simple, but it’s what worked for me: I started doing the things I didn’t want to want to do. I’ve never been one for order, more spontaneous, but when I get an urge of not wanting to do something, say cleaning, I do it. I use a reverse effect for things I really shouldn’t do.. Over time it helped free up some time for myself and be closer to what I really want. I hope this helps :)
Lol... you don't get the librarian thing guys. It's very simple - it gives you an opportunity to read all of those books, experience so many worlds and stories ❤
I worked at a community college library under a student program and was shocked to find the environment much more competitive & unhealthy than I could possibly imagine at the time. It was my target career, but it became evident that this wasn't the place for me, it moved from career to just a job status, and left me feeling quite lost & heartbroken. I did not graduate (for other reasons too, but this had a part in it) and actually, I never found a job after that that could convince me careers aren't a straight up myth, like I was that discouraged by the experience
I'm so sorry about that. I really hope you find your true calling. It's out there somewhere. You could start by journaling about your experiences and having it turn into a blog/vlog. Or maybe explore other creative paths, like the visual arts...
@@AudioEpics perhaps. Thank you, I really hope so... I'm thinking that in this era, at least in terms of vocation, there are simply too many ×NF×s out there filling in the services that my temperament is most gracefully inclined towards. I think I will still look elsewhere too, and hope that my special perspective can integrate with something... unintuitive? competently enough
This was really interesting. I feel like I have some of all of these subtypes, of course some more than others but there were a few points and characteristics in all the subtypes I strongly agreed with- After listening all the way through I think I’m definitely a harmonising type, although I am only in my early 20’s, I suspect it comes from a rocky childhood.
FYI: In DCNH Dominant looks like the dominant function. Creative looks like the auxiliary function. Normalizing looks like the third or what you call 10 year old function and Harmonizing looks like the inferior function. According to Gulenko in a working relationship the Dominant and Creatives generally work together because they have similar energy. And the normalizing and harmonizing work together because they have similar energy. But you (or Dario?) differ from Gulenko on one major point: romantic compatibility. According to Gulenko a Harmonizing subtype is happiest being paired with a Creative subtype. Because they are on opposite ends. Just as the auxiliary is opposite the inferior in the car model. (My explanation: A dominant type squashes the romance for a harmonizer. But a creative subtype can increase romance by taking the harmonizing subtype on a magic carpet ride.) And the Dominant works best with a do what you are told normalizing type. And you can find this information from Gulenko's book "64 Types." Which I wll condense again below: I. Symmetric-attractive (complementary duality): D-N & C-H - Have a harmonizing or soothing nature, similar to duality between core types. - Initially difficult, but partners increasingly begin to appreciate the advantages of each opposing role. - Become stronger in tough living conditions. - Provide physical compatibility (life, everyday communication, and intimate relationships). 2. Symmetric repulsive: Identical subtypes -Creative competition initially causes a mutual elevation, but eventually growing differences and mutual disappointment begins. -Serious testing of each other’s strengths begins that undercuts the relationship - Useful for shoulder-to-shoulder effort, training, innovation within a given field, mentoring children, personal development, improving awareness. 3. Asymmetric attractive (Beneficiary): D nudges C that nudges N that nudges H that nudges D to drive group dynamics. - Most suitable for social activity, intensive work, and overall expansion. 4. Asymmetric repulsive (Supervision): D audits H that audits N that impedes and corrects C that overrides D. - One-sided braking to correct errors. - Create psychological stability - Balance dreams and reality. - Best suited for friendship and education.
Realizing that I'm a Normalizing type most of the time, but I also do creative and harmonizing stuff. I'm a tarot reader, fanfic writer, cross stitching, philosophy and psychology studies. IDK what is my subtype but I have 5w4 enneagram. LOL.
My friend manages the entire library for Maryland University, there are several librarians on staff. He is getting a masters in library science. It requires computer expertise among numerous other skills. He makes about $100k a year. What do you think happens at the library of Congress? Who is managing and cataloging all of that research and information?
33:44 my economics teacher in high-school told the class, "The only thing that's 'normal' is a cycle on the washing machine."😂😂 I will remember that as long as I live lol
Interesting, I certainly identify more with the normalizing INFP, since as I understood, it's like a sluggish INFP, who prefers routine and traditions, and especially stability and peace. However, I relate to the other subtypes too, unsurprisingly, in typology there are no clear limits. I guess I relate secondary to the creative subtype too, although it was mentioned that the creative subtype is very opposed to the normalizing. Maybe it's too early to judge since I am just 18, but I am sure that I alternate between creativity/enthousiasm and stability/routine, yet the latter is more usually. Oh, yes Antonia, I have indeed mistyped myself as an INTP long ago due to my contemplative nature and my obsession with conceptualization, ideas, facts, science and etc... As for what made me sure I am an authenticity type, INFP? It's simply the fact that my main reasoning and conscious focus is emotional, my own emotions are the biggest factor in my conscious decisions. I am not that INTP who focus so much on strategic paths and realistic (logical) choices, I am more like a 'dreamer', I don't even focus so much on being too accurate in my communication, what's important for me is how I relate to others' soul, data has secondary importance to me. I can't help but be hyper aware of how I am feeling about everything. All my logical thinking is usually not a goal of its own, so I don't think that careers that requires from me a high attunement to 'cold data' is my thing, unless I push myself in that direction if I need to. I would prefer a job where I can think logically and deeply about something I love, regardless of what I have to do, which fits with my normalizing subtype. I am actually in University, and I am looking up to be a University professor, it's a good job for such subtype, but it would push me to be more like a dominant one, because I have certain projects that I want them applied in real world. I also relate too much to the notion that my subtype is usually stubborn, this is probably because I am often very confident in my own subjective point of view that I judge other's suggestions as being not considerate of how I feel towards it.
I think I am normalizing and harmonizing in my 40s. So for exploration I go with my spouse and kids even if I have to do little shopping instead of going alone. Secondly me and my spouse play an online game together every day to keep muscle memory in motion.
This was/is really, really, *really* good stuff. Has me rethinking/reevaluating. 🤔 PS 1. The title "owner's manual" has yet to be added in the video description (ye ye I know I know... the link leads to yada yada LOL 😉). 2. Could be the device with which I'm attempting to order (the owner's manual) from... Nevertheless, when I attempt to select payment method, nothin' happens. Would you be willing/able to Eddie Bravo meme that joint & (& I quote): "Look into it?" 🤔😁
any other (currently) normalising INFPs out there? do you feel a bit of a “failure” despite relative success in your field? i feel like a frustrated creative a lot of the time but have to admit i’ve done fairly well in a technical/thinking context (non-literary translation), even if i’m currently looking for ways to grow beyond the “rut”. i feel a bit typecast (excuse the pun) as someone who is analytical and steady and reliable and want to spread my wings a bit in the other three directions (perhaps not all at the same time though 😀). i do art and music projects in my spare time but have never felt committed and secure enough to pursue either as a career, even if i was pretty creative in my younger years (i’m firmly ensconced in mid-life). i sometimes wonder if that’s at least a little due to my background in an SJ-oriented family with relatively scant means, meaning that i went for the “sensible option” early on. just some random thoughts but it would be interesting to hear from other normalising INFPs about how they get out of the ruts they create for themselves (see, we are creative after all!).
Hi I'm a normalizing infp who is a GP doctor. It's a very fulfilling career but very stressful and not very creative, which is frustrating. Also im in a bit of a rut by staying on the same path for such a long time and not branching out as maybe a creative flavor would. I am in constant inferiority complex to the sensor and judging types. I have trouble with making decisions and too much practical stuff. But in a way i relate to the harmonizing and creative infp too.
Luckily, (As they eluded to) I believe we can transition through these like seasons in our life. It's not a sentence and you can shift depending on what you choose to make your purpose. When I was younger I felt more like the Normalizing(I also had a lot of SJ in my environment which seems to be a standard in small town American Southeast), then I spent mid-career in more of the Creative role, at the moment I'm more in a Dominating place as I develop my own business but feeling like I'm moving towards Harmony as the endgame. Possibly working through some sort of a value system exercise, making small changes to your daily routines and even just trying a new hobby for fun could trigger the next metamorphosis (lol very Doctor Who-ish I'm realizing).
I think I'm a normalizing INFP as well, with a little bit of harmonizing. I've been a teacher for a couple of years and I'm good at what I do but I feel deep inside that I want something more with my life. I want to help people. I know that's a very broad concept but I had visions since I was a 20 year old that I would go to under developed places in China (I'm Chinese )and give speeches on gender equality (basically just wanted women to be treated fairly). Thoughts like that gets going but I've never had the credibility and the opportunity to do anything that like. Being a teacher is fun and I don't want to complain about it. I just want to do something more meaningful and also make a living.
If I understood correctly your job choice can influence your preferred subtype and vice versa. I think I used to identify most with the normalizing subtype until I got sick and tired of jobs and became a freelancer, thus allowing for more freedom and creativity in my life. I now identify most with the creative subtype. So, maybe you feel unfulfilled, like I did, because deep down you yearn for a creative career?
Maybe I'm Currently A Creative That Prioritizes Testosterone 🤔 As A Dominant, How Do You Grow Extraverted Intuition If You're Being Less Receptive To Possibilities ? I've Noticed More Rigidity/Focus With Facts I've Established After Exploration Into My Introverted Sensation. I Remain Open To New Patterns, But Don't Play Games With What's Already Been Proven Unless I Can Improve My Results. So, I Figure I'm More "Creative" Than "Dominant". Maybe I'm Having Trouble Seeing How A Dominant Subtype Can Function Stronger Having Receptive/Holistic Memory 💁🏽
I only found true happiness when i decided to let go of a torturing relationship, a decision that also led into quitting a torturing job and as a result (and not so much of a conscious choice) the space was created for my true self to find out what it was it really wanted to do and that was "to assist others, no matter the personal cost that may have" Sounds like a scary road but i can tell you it is not scary when you walk it, it is only lonely coz not many choose to do that! But my inner nature is only now finally satisfied and in bliss! My outter nature would be not, but it's not around to ask its opinion anyway, as when the heart woke up it burned it all to ashes! INFP = selfless! The quicker you discover it the smaller your conflict will be fellow mirrors! -I(85)N(100)F(75)P(95)
The FiSi loop is a dreaded visitor for all the subtypes unfortunately. But from their description, it may visit the Normalizing type a bit more than the others since it seems to use heavier Si?
That's what I was thinking @@jeffbell7086, but my problem is I can't see the fine line between it being a subtype thing (which is a set of adaptions that may or may not be healthy) or a loop thing (definitely, markedly unhealthy). How does an INFP establish a healthy/functional relationship with their Si particularly if they're like me & they can't identify the difference?
A Normalizing INFP will use "Holistic" Ne, which is a more open-framed version. As a 'quieter' Ne, it may be more open to leaning upon Si than (say) the "Analytic" version of Ne. We talk about Holistic vs Analytic functions in this interview with Dr. Dario Nardi: ruclips.net/video/mI8e263i5Rk/видео.html Personally, I wouldn't conflate Normalizing with being a loop. -Antonia
I think I've been or atleast I think I've been each and every one of them... when I took the mbt thingy it said I was the infp-a... so in conclusion... idk which one I am lol
Please do your research. You sounded very ignored and uneducated when talking about Liberians. Although I'm not one, but I know they are the ones who kept our histories through out centuries.
His ignorance of the library profession is pathetic. Usually the people at the counter who check out the books are not the librarians. They are merely clerks or library assistants. I have a masters degree in library and information science, so I know the extent of education needed to become a professional librarian.
God freakin DANG I’m DEAD INSIDE!!!!!! I have so many freakin hopes & dreams to be an awesome, cool, freelancing creative person but I’ve been STUCK in RETAIL for FOUR YEARS AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Obviously, I’m doing fantastic in life I’m doing so great I’m so good totally fine freakin awesome and amazing aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!! Okay, okay. Real talk for reals. I think I’m a bit “normalized” 🥲 but I am shifting and changing and my bones are breaking but I’m rising from the ashes, I think, I promise. I’m finally actually like talking to people about feeling like a failure in life because my job is the least fulfilling thing I have ever done in my LIFE oh my god!!! But I’m developing my friendships and my friends are hyping me up and kindly pushing my depressed lil booty on over to share my art with the world 🙌🏻 I am realizing that I need my closest homies to help me actually identify if I’m good at the things I do (mostly poetry and photography). I’m going to submit and exhibit proposal to my local library to show my photography 😭😭 I can sell my prints too and keep all the money because the library is filled with straight up ballers 🙏🏻 I also would like to submit to literary magazines to at least like feel as if I’m contributing actively to being a creative person In The World. I’ve been numb for so long in this god forsaken retail job. I have to feed my soul 😭😭😭 I’m making changes. Now. I have to if I want to survive
It can take a while to understand yourself and make these changes, but even when they're gradual, they are there. Maybe you should keep track of the progress you make in a journal. You'd be surprised about the steps you've taken in e.g. a year...
Which of the 4 subtypes to do most resonate with?
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What a great video! Thank you. As an INFP, I wanted to be a teacher, however, at that time, there was an overabundance of teachers. About 25 years later my daughter was diagnosed with cancer as a teenager, We did traditional Chemo & Radiation. Not long after, I was introduced to Naturopathic Healing & Therapies. I knew it was right for me and attended a school for 5 years. Now in my 70s, people are really beginning to realize that prevention is the best medicine, to stay healthy and create longevity. It was a perfect career choice for an INFP! I'm teaching people how to use prevention & how to stay healthy, naturally.
This is exactly what I want to do ❤
I'm 38. In my 20s I was creative. Then I went through a period of normalizing--I got married, had kids, and worked a steady job throughout my late 20s and early 30s, a very normalizing job that I still have to this day, but one which inspires passion, commitment, and continued development. In my mid 30s I got divorced and had to regroup and pick up the pieces. I determined that I did not know enough about myself, nor others. I didn't truly understand, so I started seeking to understand. And so began my interest in typology and a growing focus on others. The way they communicate, their motivations, behavior, intent, speech patterns, body language--it all became so fascinating to me. Turning inward, I decided what I truly wanted for myself was wisdom, and I set off after it. I figured I should work on my inferior function since that's what people do at my age, so I did, and started a personal business that remains a wonderful hobby and modest source of income to this day. But Te wasn't the end. Something was pulling me towards Si, and Ni. I'm a 9w1 btw. Somewhere along the way I decided it was important to begin expressing my empathy outwards. I noticed when I opened up to others, people began to open up to me as well, and they started coming to me for advice and listening. Whenever they talk I often enter a flow state where they have my complete attention in the moment. And all of this set me on the harmonizing path that I am on now. It's like a whole new peaceful world. Si becomes much more important for self-care, and I find myself devoting a larger amount of my free alone time towards continued research and knowledge seeking into the understanding of the human condition. In this way, Si has become empowered as it assists Fi. In the past when I battled depression FI + Si would mostly ruminate on negative experiences, but now it is optimistic and proving to be the way forward for me. Meanwhile, Ne is dulled a bit. I no longer feel a great urge to use it towards creative endeavors so much as it is now used more as an observational tool to provide insight and often accurate understandings of other's motivations and desires. What is crazy is that I am finally beginning to feel a sense of peace, wisdom, and internal balance as a harmonizer. I think back and wonder what life would have been like if I had access to these skills in my 20s and early 30s. Ni is next on my list to work on, but to be honest, I think Ni has already begun to establish itself as it has brought me to this incredible place that I am at right now. I'm starting to get it. Thanks!
awesome !!!
Thanks for sharing. I can relate
I can relate. I'm the same age but I shifted from normalizing to creative. Now I feel like I'm gradually tending more towards a harmonizing subtype too. I really hope I'm right since I'm so sick of being the struggling artist. I really want to be at peace and happy.
Careers, as a topic, is always hard for me. It’s always a stark reminder that I will never be valuable, or bring anything unique to the world. And yet, still, I wish it so.
You yourself are already valuable and unique. You should focus on your interests and passions and find your own way for exploiting your strengths. I know it's hard, but it's possible and I believe you can do it. Also, if you're struggling with depression, I can tell you that it can completely go away, but you have to improve the areas in your life that you feel are lacking, and the spiritual aspect was the most important for me. I had good health, was on the path to improving and developing what I love doing, had love all around me, but life just seemed like a cruel chore to me until I understood its value and significance; and my role in it. Helping others in some way truly gives me satisfaction and makes me feel like I make the world a better place, and sometimes that can be done simply by attentively listening to someone else and making them feel heard and supported.
Lol, i think i used to force myself to be the dominant INFP but once i was honest and forgiving with myself it became very obvious I am the Creative style. Now I'm literally an actor, writer, and yoga instructor and, outside of guiding, i have no desire to manage other people in any strict capacity. Literally enrolled to take a language course this year and plan to learn to make bread. Just be doing sh*t 😂
That sounds awesome! ☺
Dominant - 13:56
Creative - 23:14
Normalizing - 33:40
Harmonizing - 44:49
As a 46 yr old INFP (I always tested this way) I have been all of these INFPs at one time or another, but I probably favor the harmonizing variant now. I don't want to judge anyone. I have limitless sympathy, especially for others who have fallen short. Basically, I seek to give everyone a place to exist and develop themselves.
At work (an ethanol company operator) I have a lot of experience and tend to be dominant or normalizing for the sake of the people around me. I taught music for ten years as well, and also favored these in that role.
At home, I'm very different. I allow myself the time to be creative (something I don't do in a work place). I write songs and make musical arrangements. I'm defiantly individualistic at home, in stark contrast to myself at work, who tries mostly to unify people.
Thank you 😭❤
Ya ll said that we should get out of our comfort zone and use our Ne. But as a "normalizing INFP" which I don't buy into, you say stay in your comfort zone? Also, I drove an 18 wheeler for a while and class b for 4 years- so much for clumsy.
Thank you!!!!!!! Omg I was already thinking, “get to the point!” by minute 3.
I'm a harmonizer INFP. I don't really enjoy my job, but I write, draw, paint, and compose ambient/dream pop music. I wish I could find a way out of my day job so I can do what I love to do, but I can't seem to make it out.
It’s good you have a creative outlet though. Thanks for sharing. - Joel
I guess most of us are struggling with that. I'd say start monetizing something creative on the side, embrace the slow progress with hope and pray. 🙂
Your 36:12 Mark just blew my INTP theory out of the water! INFP makes so much sense for my person.
Great episode. I just found out I am an INFP after taking a couple different versions of the test. In highschool I think I tested as an ENTJ, I am now on the very edge of early middle age. I didn't finish my degree as a dual theater/physics major and adventured in my 20s, but now I have kids and have a steady job in banking for as long as I've been a father. The work I despise and don't consider banking my career so I've looking to go back to school and psychology has been right up there.
Creative INFP leaning into harmonizer here. Thank you for opening up this topic. Helps me see what my real obstacles have been.
As an INFP, I went down the normalizer path in my twenties. I focused on education and got my BA in psychology and went for my Masters. However, I have always had a free spirited bent (e.g., got tattoos as soon as I could to everyone’s shock because I never spoke about doing such things 😊) and felt like my freedom was being stripped away. I kept feeling the urge to create something. I would ignore it or dabble in some artistic medium but went back to my studies. Anyway, as I was working on my graduate degree, something broke and I found myself looking for something more. Eventually, I discovered tapestry weaving and fell in love with the medium. It filled me with so much energy and life. I never felt that way with anything before. I dropped out of graduate school. So, I am guessing my flavor is now creative. I have also tried many types of jobs from customer service, behavioral tutor working with special needs, data entry, veterinary/kennel assistance, and custodian.
I think I made the same shift but I think it had to do with the level of acceptance of my personality type from surrounding people. The more I connected with like-minded people, the more creative I became. But I guess it was always there... When I was perceived as a naive dreamer, I guess I was forced to normalize.
Thank you for this. As a "Normalized" INFP, I was employed as an electrical engineer for decades. I was the one design team member who enjoyed writing specifications and doing estimates. In my spare time, for decades, I played violin/fiddle. During covid, I quit working (age 61), and I have been spending much more time busking at farmers markets (and blogging about it).
I found your podcast a few years ago and I don't even remember how. But I'm an INFP and I've tested this multiple times throughout my life. It resonates with me in ways I can't put into words (which sounds like that's not so uncommon with infp).
I'm almost 36 and still feel like I don't know what the hell I'm doing on this earth because I can't seem to find my place. I've had an internal feeling that I need to contribute something but don't know what.
It's finally sunken in that I've been fighting to fit in.
Anyway. I've recently started diving into this because my motivation and dreamer part of my mind is feeling squashed.
The career has been hands down the hardest to figure out because I'm surrounded by very opposite personality types who seem to just know what they want to do.
This would have changed my entire life had I understood why I'm different compared to everyone else around me. And if only I could have developed the ability to not want to please everyone. I just always wanted people around me to be okay.
Anyway. Thanks for doing what you're doing. I also was blown away to realize you are located right up the road from me. I went to college in Gettysburg HACC for nursing (received my RN in 2020).
I'm still listening to this and haven't finished it yet but that creative type is definitely sounding like me. Especially the feeling that I don't know how people just KNOW what to do (like paying taxes and all the stupid paperwork and maintenance that comes with being human). Somehow I manage to get through things but it does feel like I put so much effort into the wrong type of thing to be "successful".
---edit---- nope, I identify with the harmonizing subtype even more.
You are very much an INFP with this response! Lol It's not easy to decide what to do as a career. I get so bored so easily and so quickly! I always thought that was a flaw but it usually means that I have learned all there is to know about the thing, OR, I have learned enough to know that that thing is not for me, so I move on. I have to keep learning and doing because it is how I gather information about the human experience. There are certainly times I am not moving or doing, but I am still learning. Maybe I am learning about myself in those times, or just reflecting or pondering or practicing or dreaming but to me, it's all the same. It is vital to my existence. I can't imagine how boring life must be for people that pick one thing and do that forever. That sounds like my worst nightmare! Ha And as for explaining ourselves with words, we are hard on ourselves and we think we can't explain ourselves well enough, but we usually do, and often VERY well, *to our amazment*. However I have been told at times I have given incomplete thoughts or explanations. Things connect perfectly in my head but if I'm in a rush to get them out and definitely if I am interrupted, I can't be sure I got them out right and it's like a little birdie came and snatched away my words or rearranged them and now I don't know if they make sense the way I needed them to. Lol, Kinda, like that thought there!
I can definitely relate to the trying to fit in thing. Also the stupid paperwork necessary to get through life. I would add the irritation of money to that. This video helped open my eyes and gave me the keys to myself. I can now truly inhabit who I am and craft an authentic future. Glad to have met you
I listened to your podcast episode and found it extremely interesting. Thank you so much!
My husband is actually a librarian in a law firm. Indeed, this job means more than just helping people find the right books and putting them back. He needs to make daily newletters with new additions, they have to decide on new books to order, digitalize stuff, etc. But of course, he would much rather be a fulltime writer, every INFPs dream, until reality kicks in. 😊
I’m 38, and I grew up in an S-family as a normalizing subtype. Still, there was a huge creative urge that I often had to hide. Although my creative side was rarely appreciated, I shifted towards a creative subtype. I wanted to become a writer, got a master’s degree in language and literature and went from one unfulfilling commercial or teaching job to another, often ending in a burn-out, bore-out or depression, until I started my own copywriting and voice-over business ten years ago.
Once I got more freedom and I eventually got married to another INFP, I started taking writing seriously, because my partner did. Before, I had countless unfinished novels, outlines, short stories, blogs, etc. on my computer, smartphone and cupboards full of notebooks. With my husband I started creating epic fantasy novels. We actually put them on RUclips as dramatized audiobooks and started a community on Patreon a couple of years ago. At this point, it’s still more like a hobby, since we don’t nearly earn enough money to cover all the software, music, artwork and sound-effects, let alone feed ourselves and our two sons. We rent a small apartment and while our small group of fans online really appreciate our work, we are considered the losers of the neighbourhood, struggling with simple daily tasks.
Still, we are so grateful for the steps we have taken and the progress we’re making. We’re grateful for the people who support us. The fans of our work feel like they’re real friends, even though we have never met them in real life and most live miles away. But, they seem to understand us better than most.
We will probably remain the struggling artists for a while, possibly as long as there is ‘another job’ supporting us that is not just our own creative projects, even if it’s our own business. It’s just hard dealing with taxes, accountancy, and customers. Unless I’m really into a company or product it’s hard to help sell it with my writing and I’m terrible at selling our own business and my service, although I only have satisfied customers. We survive because of their word-of-mouth advertising.
Since I started obsessing about the MBTI, I experience a shift towards the harmonizing subtype and I agonize over quitting my business and getting a degree as a clinical psychologist, which was always my second choice after languages. But I worry that I’ll bring patient’s problems home and that they’ll keep me up at night. So, for now, I just keep combining creative writing with my copywriting job. I recently invested in software that will help me with my accounting and my accountant is also an INFP with a heart for creative companies.
We INFPs can experience progress more slowly than other types, but here’s to hoping that in the end, we’ll get there.
I sent this to a friend of mine and it has helped her alot. Based on this, I'd say I am the creative subtype, but have forced myself into normalizing roles. Have always worked 9 - 5s, saved up enough to take 6 months off and take unofficial "sabbaticals" b/c I need that break from "normal" society to allow my mind to work in the way it naturally "wants" to. I'd say someone with the creative subtype CAN thrive in normalizing roles, but if they don't devote extensive time to that "outlet" that let's creative subtypes thrive, they will go crazy. I have been there.
I thought I was an INTP for years b/c of the jobs I was picking and the way I worked ON the job. Turns out while I have creative tendencies I value a certain sense of "comfort" to keep my options open, money does that for me which is why I've picked the jobs I have. I was always the one who went "against the grain" in the office in terms of professional dress (I wear black tees, henleys in offices where ppl are wearing shirts and ties). I'd ALWAYS be in a position where ppl did not take me seriously b/c I was always goofing off or asking my work group "taboo" questions to get some cool dialogue going - until they saw my output. Then my "weaknesses" became my "strengths" - as in being goofy was now welcomed and appreciated b/c my work output was better than everyone else's by far.
Not a knock, but I have never wanted to risk becoming the "starving artist" but as I've gotten older (37 now) the urge of addressing my "creative" side at the expense of more practical living is becoming stronger and stronger. And the idea of the "starving artist" is not becoming so unacceptable to me as times goes on.
I'm slowly coming to the realization that feeding my "soul" is IMPERATIVE for me, as opposed to a "nice to do".
Why do we INFPs have this stubborn heart. We are the worse type to function in society 😢.
I like music, art and design but also want social entrepreneurship. I haven't accomplished my dreams yet. I need focus.
I can relate to taking on normalizing roles, since I have forced myself into several jobs that were not right for me for a long time, but I could never sustain for long. I actually got physically ill when I was not creating or using those particular talents that nobody asked for. The same was true for my INFP husband. So, he took a parttime job and I started a small copywriting and voice-over business, and we became struggling artists. I’m terrible at selling my services and my prices are way too low for what we offer. We get by, just enough to pay the rent and buy food for ourselves and our two sons, and pay the school bills, but we get to create in the time we have left, and we know it’s the best thing we can do to keep us happy spouses and parents.
Sure, we have the degrees to take fancy full-time jobs and earn more money. But we’d barely see our awesome kids and we’d be too tired to create after a long day of work and forced socializing. It would be a matter of time before we got miserable and took it out on each other. So, we’re grateful for where we are now. We’ve got a roof over our heads, and we can write and produce epic fantasy novels. The creative projects give us just the right amount of energy to conquer our working days and tame our little rascals.
I'd say you are a normalising type as you are able to do that 6 months of normality rather than just totally commit. Everyone has their own path that's right for them so I hope it works for you
I’m 19, and without doubt a Harmonizer… Everything gave chills and called me out, even down to misidentifying with an INFJ 😅
I am somehow all of these. I've done multiple tests since school, and I come up as infp-a. I have dropped out of college twice, and been back in community college for a year towards marketing and advertising. Languages are my big thing. I can study them all day. From the language itself to etymology and full histories.
I think as a young child I was more in-tune with my creative subtype but was constantly told by the world around me that that wasn't ok & eventually I'd have to "grow up" which lead me to moving into a normalizing subtype where I stayed for most of my young adult life after high school. As I got older into my 30s I started hating myself & feeling as though I'd lost something precious by trying to conform so much for so long & I began my self development quest where I learned about MBTI & enneagram, throughout this process I believe I've transitioned into a harmonizing subtype of INFP now that I'm 40 & have been through so much. I can occasionally catch glimpses of the dominant subtype in myself but it's very rare & only appears when I specifically need to be assertive or am placed in an active leadership role of some kind.
Thank you for this podcast, this has been very informative & helpful; it also has cast another perspective on why I seem to consistently mistype as an INFJ even though upon studying my cognitive functions I truly am an INFP, I thought it had something to do with being an enneagram type 9 but I had a feeling that couldn't be the whole story. Thank you again for sharing, I will likely continue to mull this over & look further into it now that I have more language to use along my journey towards self-discovery. Take Care & Be Well.
I am a harmoniser INFP (later in life) however was a normaliser when younger. My career of choice, Occupational Therapy, was just right for me as an INFP due to the capacity to carve out individual niches and explore various areas as I gained life experience. It is also a career where listening skills are important and honed over time and practitioners are exposed to a great diversity in the human experience.
Okay I'm going to be the one on the library pedestal/soapbox right now haha. It is sooo much more involved than just knowing the decimal system and plucking a book off a shelf for someone. Someone may come in and want help finding a grave of an ancestor, the next moment someone wants to know book series specifically for a 3rd grader that involves detectives, then the next moment someone needs help using a computer who has no knowledge of that, etc. it's complex. Aside from direct patron needs, it involves constantly building the collection for your diverse population, knowing what to buy and what to get rid of continuously as well as cataloging all of those books into a database, and creating highly specific records within that database for each individual item. It's a whole complex system. You have to know about databases, how to research, how to curate, you have to know about every genre, all the current hot topics and authors, aside from dealing with psychosocial issues you come across when dealing with certain members of the public since libraries are often safe spaces for transient individuals. Also fundraising, marketing, and social media content creation. Not to mention designing and running events and programming. It is definitely a career you dedicate yourself to, not a "job."
All of that being said, not sure of my subtype, but library work is too much public interaction for me although I really believe in the mission of free access to information for all.
My worst career path was in advertising, pitching to people and sales was a nightmare. My favorite thing I've done in the past was founding a music magazine & website- lots of various creative projects all the time involving writing, photography, graphic design, etc. But came to realize I'd rather create my own art rather than be a journalist covering Other people's art so that ended.
Kind of stumbled into library work, but I would much rather do some kind of work that doesn't involve clocking in or tons of working with the public. Thinking I truly want to shift to either writing fiction or just something more independent and artistic.
I have ALWAYS been a creative INFP for all of my life. I can Now see why operating in the form of a "normalizing" INFP has been so difficult for me. Its polarly opposite than my natural creative side. Ive always thought I had to be "normal" in order to suceed in life. This really showed me how to capitalize more on my creative, idealistic traits. Im 35 now and I can definitely say I'm more into my "Harmonizing" era. After all of my lifes experiences I now feel like i have the wisdom to navigate life appropriately compared to the avg person. I no longer have on the rose colored glasses of my youth but now see life thru the lense of there is more than meets the eye! This was so enlightening and very accurate. ❤
I've had a similar experience. I'm 38 and only now I've started to return to my true creative self, how I was as a child before the world told me what to do and what not to do. It's been liberating. 🙂
INFP, 5w4. I can see myself in all subtypes in different scenarios. The one's dominating my life the most have been the harmonizer and creative subtypes.
I've tried many jobs that I've left after a short time when I was in my teens and 20s to get by like working at an interior store, kindergarten substitute on call, ironware storage with my ISTP dad, spice factory, and considered many others. They were all just part-time while also figuring out what I really wanted, like being creative. So I graduated as an illustrator for the experience, dropped the idea of continuing as a curator, and now considering programming and Ai in my 30s. Atm I'm just thriving living an introverted life with a cat and liking my freedom and waiting for my school application for part-time advanced math and just taking more focus on my health, art, and wandering nature, and visiting family in the countryside. Traveling the world any time I can afford it.
you are a real INFP. i ve changed a lot of jobs also. i know the feeling of being trapped and just having to do it, without having a real satisfaction. i am an INFP also, recently discovered.
😊q your brother.
Glad i met another INFP 5w4, ur life sounds great to me
That sounds wonderful! All the luck and happiness in your future life from an INFP 4w5.
I typed INFP on your website which is what I’ve always typed but I never felt sure that this was correct because I am creative, but I love my comfort zone aka rut. So it makes sense that I’m a normalizing INFP. Now I’m ready to learn how to use my co-pilot to get out of that rut. But I’m pretty fearful of failure and judgement. Thanks for all these videos. I really appreciate your work!
Same here. The generic infp description never quite fitted I'm not particularly creative though I love art films and music but my strengths are in maths and science...infp normaliser is the closest match I'm likely to ever get. Kind of relieved that I don't feel I need to match the emo cry baby poet infp stereotype any more
Wow, my sister is the harmonizing infp since birth!! This really helps explain a lot of going in circles with figuring out her type!
I wish this podcast had been available to me while I was coming of age. I was born into a small, hyper SJ society. There weren't many career options besides what was already available, and any form of artistic endeavour as a career paid in trinkets. I was very likely a lost Creative for a few years, until I decided to sell out and Normalise.
I've been normalising for 15 years now, and have reached the end of this bullshxt corporate life (in between, I tried to marry Normalising with Creative but superiors were never half as imaginative, and had even less volume of balls, for any of my ideas to be implemented let alone come to fruition). Over these 15 years, I've been through the gamut - both personal and professional - and have reached a cross roads (again on both fronts) right this very moment.
I have wanted to write creatively for the longest time. In about one year, I will be able to drop the life I know today, and leave for a more beautiful, meaningful life of tomorrow. I believe I've morphed into a Harmoniser, and everyday I am getting a better idea of the things I can do to achieve personal fulfillment.
I wish you all the luck with this transition!
This content can be a real help for those who are not sure if they are an INFP or an INFJ. It took me couple of years to find my type. As a creative subtype of an INFJ I find my self in the description of the creative subtype of an INFP (and in the harmonizing one as well a little bit). But I totally find myself in all the INFJ subtypes (even I prefer one of them more then others).
I used to think the "librarian" career path suggestion was hokey, but in the data and analytics world, a new job to add to these lists would be data steward. Beyond the term, I now see the goal as keeping things organized to help others find what they need where they expect. For INFPs, data and analytics is a great area to find fulfillment for your subtypes, like:
- creativity through building reports/dashboards
- analyzing data and finding innovative solutions to help others
- organization and structure through data management, data steward (like a librarian)
- providing insights to assist others in making large and small decisions
- helping others make their jobs/lives easier through your data efforts.
I agree! Used to be a data scientist but I hated it. I enjoy data engineering and data analytics more. Didn't know about data steward. Thanks!
Wow. This has to be the most helpful podcast I have heard in a very long time. And right on time unsurprisingly. I always thought I was an intp, but of course there was some dissonance with that, something that felt off lol, the F not the T 🤦♀️. It's only this year that I guess I finally woke up to, or perhaps gave myself permission to embrace my own nature. I fought so hard and for so long to be that normalized type, but all along I am actually the creative type. It's freeing to finally breathe into clarifying my own authenticity. Imagine a INFP who would fight against their own self in this way! Thank you for such a dive into this type 😊
Man, the dominant version of INFP fits me so well. I always thought I was an INFP but always felt too domineering to be one, I also tend to have relatively quick brains and I am highly driven.
Library school dropout here. It’s a WONDERFUL field but yes, Master’s Degree most often required. But i do know someone who is a city library director & worked her way up with a Bachelor’s degree and work experience
This is a very interesting topic. I love and recommend this video.
As an INFP stuck in a creative career in their 50s, I feel lost and aimless. I wake up everyday with a desire to quit my job and find an environment that is truly nurturing and allows me to be me…but I don’t know where to look. I am driven, but feeling directionless and possibly sidelined at my work day-by-day.
Antonia and Joel, thank you for this video. Also, I like the shoutouts to Dr. Dario Nardi and Viktor Gulenko! After better understanding these subtypes, I have to say that I mostly identify with the "Normalizing" subtype, because I have had to use a lot of introverted sensation to maintain stability. I believe a huge factor of this ties into my South Asian cultural roots. Because of this, my extraverted sensation function can really suffer, especially when I rush myself to get things done. I will say that I also see traits of the dominant subtype in myself, because I have been channeling more of that assertiveness.
Thank you for this information on sub-types. I struggled to see where I fit in the typing, as mentioned I felt anyway of being a sensing judging and perceptive type. I only knew one thing for sure, introversion. After listening to this podcast, I now understand that I am an infp, which has traits in all four sub types, relating to different stages of life. I do know now I am predominantly normalizing, and as I am older, are gravitating to harmonizing a bit more. Once again, I love understanding myself first before trying to understand others, and this session helped tremendously.
I'm a librarian and INFP. ☺️
To become a librarian you need a masters (?) degree in library science. This is needed for most librarian positions but if I remember correctly you don’t need it to work in a school library.
librarian... my dreamjob when I was a kid ❤❤❤❤ quiet job surrounded by a lot of books. Heaven~
I can relate to all subtype. I am a teacher by profession, now I do media stuffs like video editing, graphics design, scriptwriting. I love psychology, knowing people. I love biking and exploring new things. 😅 I think its great to be an INFP, someone who see life as colorful as a rainbow.
Excellent podcast episode, I really enjoyed the depth and preparation you put in to your discussion. One point of feedback: a lot of youtube content now has the chapter markers which would be wonderful to include. I identified with the creative sub-type and wanted to rewind and listen to that, instead of being trapped in the "normalized" part of the discussion. Not a huge deal, just some feedback for you folks. Much love, thank you for the content!
Thanks guys, amazing talk. Definitely will check out that guide! 👍
I'm 42 so not that old, lol but I feel like Im the harmonious INFP. Especially when she said a downfall to it is feeling like youre going to die with all this good stuff in your head. Lol
My career choice is based on what is most stable and lucrative (federal) and I sadly don't seem to believe in the wisdom of any other career choices. You mentioned two of my dream jobs in the list. I'd add preschool teacher.
I was a teacher of cosmetology, eventually a supervisor of a cosmetology school and now I’m retired and do sculpture. I also have Aphantasia - it would be interesting to know if other INFPs have Aphantasia.
For the last few years, I've been mainly normalizing with an undercurrent of harmonizing. I'm currently a graphic designer at a university and have had a few different jobs since getting my bachelor's in 2013.
I’m sure Big Librarian will be here spinning their usual spin soon 😂
Lol but in reality most
Libraries are in institutions. And think of the archives in the bottom of university libraries. They track, care for, move around the country lots of very unique things.
Ask one of these people for help and you will quickly find you’re dealing with a highly knowledgeable, super sharp secret research agent. And probably an infp
I resonated so hard, i feel heard for the first time.
Matt, this comment helped me so much at this juncture. Glad to see you’ve stayed in alignment at various stages yet allowed yourself to evolve. Way to BE! ❤
Wow. I definitely resonate with the creative type. I have been trying to normalize so hard, especially the last 10 years, but it's led to nothing but job hopping and dissatisfaction. Now I'm 40 and feel dead inside! I do have my creative hobbies but they feel so uninspired. 🙁
Very fascinating content and to consider the consequence on a Dominant INFP should they sustain a drop in testosterone, could cause need of a significant reorient to another in-type proclivity.
I’m so glad for this vid, it’s given me so munch info. Thank you sooo much
I think I was more harmonizing as a teen. But now, I resonate with creative subtype & the normalizing one, which seems a bit odd 😂
Interesting. I didn't know the subtypes and solely based on the names, I thought I'd be mostly creative, but I think I'm actually 45% harmonizing, 30% creative, 15% normalizing and 10% dominant. I've always felt and been called an "old soul" and also that I would be an awesome psychologist/therapist, but I've loved the arts passionately since I can remember (specially singing, which I'm currently fortunate enough of making a living from) and just can't see myself living without being involved with singing in some way. But I've always found it easy to empathize to an extreme with others and remember how others have reacted to all kinds of things... However it's very easy for me to express what I think or feel, and my interests are way more oriented to expressing my visions in the most accurate way, that also brings light to and inspires others, on top of being beautiful to the senses. I struggle the most with motivation, discipline and mundane tasks and practicality. Also, I'm sure i'd enjoy teaching but outside of that, I despise public speaking. I think anything bigger than a classroom I would dislike speaking in.
I've found that I resonate with the harmonizing sub-type. You said it's mostly older INFPs, and I'm 37, so maybe I fit into that range.
But I find that I'm quite introverted--I also have social anxiety, so I don't actually talk to many people--but I have always been interesting in people; I still like being "around" people, and I have this weird fixation where I focus on someone I connect with and learn everything about them (it's an interest, and sometimes even a hunger, if I come across the right person). This level of interest is more rare, of course. But I think, this is why I'm more drawn to cities and urban areas as opposed to the stereotype that infps love nature (of course, I still enjoy nature, too).
I was listening along and found that I resonated a bit with all the types, but with each of the others, there was always a clear, "no, that's not me" point that came up. But with harmonizer, I was saying "yes, yes" to pretty much everything.
The reason I would say it takes a long time to reach "harmonizer" from my point of view is that, I spent most of my life reflecting and observing my own self. And I reached a point where I have come to know myself like a very detailed map. There's still lots of room to progress, of course, but it's less mysterious these days, and it's more about finding ways to express that creatively. And so, I have started to turn my "gaze" upon others, and become preoccupied with learning them very deeply. A lot of experiences, creative work, and therapy have helped me reach this point too.
I work as a freelance editor of a creative project, by the way, and I do write short stories and have been developing a few long-term novel projects over the years. I am dedicated to creative ideas expressed through writing and related forms (especially those that delve into the human condition).
Oh yes, and one more thing: I like finding ways to boost my creative drive. And I find that being around other people who have strong creative energy gives me an upsurge of ideas and drive. And so, I like gravitating towards people who have this natural creative energy.
I'm 38 and a clear creative subtype now but since I became more aware of my own software, I start getting more harmonizing tendencies. I've become even more conflict-avoiding, not feeling the urge anymore to address issues or injustices and I love to dig into people's motivations and desires more. I think this started when I became a mum. I wish you all the best with your writing! I'm a freelance copywriter/editor and creative writer too and I couldn't be anything else for my own sanity. 🙂
Wanting to comment! I feel like I’m a mix of the normalizing and harmonizing types. Definitely can feel all of the “flavors” but those two really hit hard so to speak. Would like to say more but I’m exhausted! 😵💫
I strongly identify with the harmonising subtype. No wonder I wanted to become a therapist or counsellor to help people through their mental health journey.
I believe I am more dominant and creative. I love creativity but enjoy analizing and the call to improve the world is strong. I studied Business Administration and love creating music, art and design. My stubborn heart pulls me in different directions without choosing. It is exhausting.😅
I feel the same 😅 also think I am mainly dominant with some creative and feel pulled in two ways sometimes
@@afreebirdflew3186 enjoy the passion of being an INFP!
@@afreebirdflew3186what is your job if I may ask?😊
hey guys! Joel, I"m going to take you up on your invitation, & grab the "mike".
But first the credits: to my partner, for noticing this episode & pointing me to it (tbh I got a bit bored with PH & haven't listened for a while - no offence - I get bored with things too easily); & second to you guys & Dario - really interesting stuff!
I began to share my story, but this is a public platform, & I have to be cognoscente of the trails I leave behind. However I wanted to say this: I strongly resonated with all of the subtypes in some manner. The way this has been presented, that's not really possible. My partner did mention, if I recall correctly, that your subtype might be situation dependant? If so, that would explain a lot.
I work in IT. I've had people trying to push me in to leadership. I'd need to be able to trust leadership to do that, & - no offence intended to anyone that has, or is, leading me - I really can't do that - I got burned pretty badly in "acting leader" positions in the past, & can't imagine anything worse than actually formalizing it! I prefer to "lead from the seat I'm in" - much easier. Insulting sometimes, but I just brush that stuff off nowadays.
Anyway, again, great episode. Toodles :)
This is super-incredibly fascinating!! I have a few questions in response to this:
1.) The dominant subtype sounds quite ENFJ-ish, and I know that ENFJ is the INFP's shadow type, and also the type whose traits they integrate into their conscious mind if/when they evolve/self-actualize. Considering that, wouldn't that be the type that more INFPs mature into, along with the harmonizing type?
2.) Since the INFP creative subtype is the most bubbly and extroverted of all the subtypes, and also has a form of Fi that is less rigid and more flexible/compromising and a form of Ne that is more powerful/uncompromising than other INFP subtypes, and since ENFPs are the most introverted extroverts and the most similar to INFPs of all the MBTI types, how can you tell an ENFP from an INFP creative subtype?
I resonate most with Creative and Harmonizing. I feel I have been forced to normalize over my career. My big question is how does one build a working model of oneself? Over time I thought I had ADHD, was emotionally disregulated etc etc but this approach provided a new pathway of looking at things. I have experimented with different combination of productivity apps seeking to balance the interior and external realities (it's been a challenge). Has anyone made any progress along this route? I would be interested to hear the process/see the model
I know this may sound simple, but it’s what worked for me: I started doing the things I didn’t want to want to do. I’ve never been one for order, more spontaneous, but when I get an urge of not wanting to do something, say cleaning, I do it. I use a reverse effect for things I really shouldn’t do.. Over time it helped free up some time for myself and be closer to what I really want. I hope this helps :)
@@lonelydion9484 thanks. Will try it out
Perfect description.
Lol... you don't get the librarian thing guys. It's very simple - it gives you an opportunity to read all of those books, experience so many worlds and stories ❤
I worked at a community college library under a student program and was shocked to find the environment much more competitive & unhealthy than I could possibly imagine at the time. It was my target career, but it became evident that this wasn't the place for me, it moved from career to just a job status, and left me feeling quite lost & heartbroken. I did not graduate (for other reasons too, but this had a part in it) and actually, I never found a job after that that could convince me careers aren't a straight up myth, like I was that discouraged by the experience
I'm so sorry about that. I really hope you find your true calling. It's out there somewhere. You could start by journaling about your experiences and having it turn into a blog/vlog. Or maybe explore other creative paths, like the visual arts...
@@AudioEpics perhaps. Thank you, I really hope so...
I'm thinking that in this era, at least in terms of vocation, there are simply too many ×NF×s out there filling in the services that my temperament is most gracefully inclined towards. I think I will still look elsewhere too, and hope that my special perspective can integrate with something... unintuitive? competently enough
We use Dewey decimal system in Trinidad and Tobago!
This was really interesting.
I feel like I have some of all of these subtypes, of course some more than others but there were a few points and characteristics in all the subtypes I strongly agreed with- After listening all the way through I think I’m definitely a harmonising type, although I am only in my early 20’s, I suspect it comes from a rocky childhood.
FYI:
In DCNH Dominant looks like the dominant function. Creative looks like the auxiliary function. Normalizing looks like the third or what you call 10 year old function and Harmonizing looks like the inferior function.
According to Gulenko in a working relationship the Dominant and Creatives generally work together because they have similar energy. And the normalizing and harmonizing work together because they have similar energy.
But you (or Dario?) differ from Gulenko on one major point: romantic compatibility.
According to Gulenko a Harmonizing subtype is happiest being paired with a Creative subtype. Because they are on opposite ends. Just as the auxiliary is opposite the inferior in the car model. (My explanation: A dominant type squashes the romance for a harmonizer. But a creative subtype can increase romance by taking the harmonizing subtype on a magic carpet ride.)
And the Dominant works best with a do what you are told normalizing type.
And you can find this information from Gulenko's book "64 Types."
Which I wll condense again below:
I. Symmetric-attractive (complementary duality): D-N & C-H
- Have a harmonizing or soothing nature, similar to duality between core types.
- Initially difficult, but partners increasingly begin to appreciate the advantages of each opposing role.
- Become stronger in tough living conditions.
- Provide physical compatibility (life, everyday communication, and intimate relationships).
2. Symmetric repulsive: Identical subtypes
-Creative competition initially causes a mutual elevation, but eventually growing differences and mutual disappointment begins.
-Serious testing of each other’s strengths begins that undercuts the relationship
- Useful for shoulder-to-shoulder effort, training, innovation within a given field, mentoring children, personal development, improving awareness.
3. Asymmetric attractive (Beneficiary): D nudges C that nudges N that nudges H that nudges D to drive group dynamics.
- Most suitable for social activity, intensive work, and overall expansion.
4. Asymmetric repulsive (Supervision): D audits H that audits N that impedes and corrects C that overrides D.
- One-sided braking to correct errors.
- Create psychological stability
- Balance dreams and reality.
- Best suited for friendship and education.
Realizing that I'm a Normalizing type most of the time, but I also do creative and harmonizing stuff. I'm a tarot reader, fanfic writer, cross stitching, philosophy and psychology studies. IDK what is my subtype but I have 5w4 enneagram. LOL.
even here in Italy to be a librarian you gotta do a lot or studies and exams ^^
My friend manages the entire library for Maryland University, there are several librarians on staff. He is getting a masters in library science. It requires computer expertise among numerous other skills. He makes about $100k a year. What do you think happens at the library of Congress? Who is managing and cataloging all of that research and information?
33:44 my economics teacher in high-school told the class, "The only thing that's 'normal' is a cycle on the washing machine."😂😂 I will remember that as long as I live lol
I seem to be a combination of normalizing and harmonizing; befitting, I suppose, a professional computer programmer and an amateur musician.
Interesting, I certainly identify more with the normalizing INFP, since as I understood, it's like a sluggish INFP, who prefers routine and traditions, and especially stability and peace. However, I relate to the other subtypes too, unsurprisingly, in typology there are no clear limits. I guess I relate secondary to the creative subtype too, although it was mentioned that the creative subtype is very opposed to the normalizing.
Maybe it's too early to judge since I am just 18, but I am sure that I alternate between creativity/enthousiasm and stability/routine, yet the latter is more usually.
Oh, yes Antonia, I have indeed mistyped myself as an INTP long ago due to my contemplative nature and my obsession with conceptualization, ideas, facts, science and etc... As for what made me sure I am an authenticity type, INFP? It's simply the fact that my main reasoning and conscious focus is emotional, my own emotions are the biggest factor in my conscious decisions. I am not that INTP who focus so much on strategic paths and realistic (logical) choices, I am more like a 'dreamer', I don't even focus so much on being too accurate in my communication, what's important for me is how I relate to others' soul, data has secondary importance to me.
I can't help but be hyper aware of how I am feeling about everything. All my logical thinking is usually not a goal of its own, so I don't think that careers that requires from me a high attunement to 'cold data' is my thing, unless I push myself in that direction if I need to. I would prefer a job where I can think logically and deeply about something I love, regardless of what I have to do, which fits with my normalizing subtype. I am actually in University, and I am looking up to be a University professor, it's a good job for such subtype, but it would push me to be more like a dominant one, because I have certain projects that I want them applied in real world.
I also relate too much to the notion that my subtype is usually stubborn, this is probably because I am often very confident in my own subjective point of view that I judge other's suggestions as being not considerate of how I feel towards it.
I think I am normalizing and harmonizing in my 40s. So for exploration I go with my spouse and kids even if I have to do little shopping instead of going alone.
Secondly me and my spouse play an online game together every day to keep muscle memory in motion.
This was/is really, really, *really* good stuff.
Has me rethinking/reevaluating.
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PS
1. The title "owner's manual" has yet to be added in the video description (ye ye I know I know... the link leads to yada yada LOL 😉).
2. Could be the device with which I'm attempting to order (the owner's manual) from...
Nevertheless, when I attempt to select payment method, nothin' happens.
Would you be willing/able to Eddie Bravo meme that joint & (& I quote):
"Look into it?"
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Great nickname. 🙂
any other (currently) normalising INFPs out there? do you feel a bit of a “failure” despite relative success in your field? i feel like a frustrated creative a lot of the time but have to admit i’ve done fairly well in a technical/thinking context (non-literary translation), even if i’m currently looking for ways to grow beyond the “rut”. i feel a bit typecast (excuse the pun) as someone who is analytical and steady and reliable and want to spread my wings a bit in the other three directions (perhaps not all at the same time though 😀). i do art and music projects in my spare time but have never felt committed and secure enough to pursue either as a career, even if i was pretty creative in my younger years (i’m firmly ensconced in mid-life). i sometimes wonder if that’s at least a little due to my background in an SJ-oriented family with relatively scant means, meaning that i went for the “sensible option” early on.
just some random thoughts but it would be interesting to hear from other normalising INFPs about how they get out of the ruts they create for themselves (see, we are creative after all!).
Wish I had a success story here, but unfortunately It's been the same never ending struggle. Go team normalising !
Hi I'm a normalizing infp who is a GP doctor. It's a very fulfilling career but very stressful and not very creative, which is frustrating. Also im in a bit of a rut by staying on the same path for such a long time and not branching out as maybe a creative flavor would. I am in constant inferiority complex to the sensor and judging types. I have trouble with making decisions and too much practical stuff. But in a way i relate to the harmonizing and creative infp too.
Luckily, (As they eluded to) I believe we can transition through these like seasons in our life. It's not a sentence and you can shift depending on what you choose to make your purpose. When I was younger I felt more like the Normalizing(I also had a lot of SJ in my environment which seems to be a standard in small town American Southeast), then I spent mid-career in more of the Creative role, at the moment I'm more in a Dominating place as I develop my own business but feeling like I'm moving towards Harmony as the endgame. Possibly working through some sort of a value system exercise, making small changes to your daily routines and even just trying a new hobby for fun could trigger the next metamorphosis (lol very Doctor Who-ish I'm realizing).
I think I'm a normalizing INFP as well, with a little bit of harmonizing. I've been a teacher for a couple of years and I'm good at what I do but I feel deep inside that I want something more with my life. I want to help people. I know that's a very broad concept but I had visions since I was a 20 year old that I would go to under developed places in China (I'm Chinese )and give speeches on gender equality (basically just wanted women to be treated fairly). Thoughts like that gets going but I've never had the credibility and the opportunity to do anything that like. Being a teacher is fun and I don't want to complain about it. I just want to do something more meaningful and also make a living.
If I understood correctly your job choice can influence your preferred subtype and vice versa. I think I used to identify most with the normalizing subtype until I got sick and tired of jobs and became a freelancer, thus allowing for more freedom and creativity in my life. I now identify most with the creative subtype. So, maybe you feel unfulfilled, like I did, because deep down you yearn for a creative career?
Maybe I'm Currently A Creative That Prioritizes Testosterone 🤔 As A Dominant, How Do You Grow Extraverted Intuition If You're Being Less Receptive To Possibilities ? I've Noticed More Rigidity/Focus With Facts I've Established After Exploration Into My Introverted Sensation. I Remain Open To New Patterns, But Don't Play Games With What's Already Been Proven Unless I Can Improve My Results. So, I Figure I'm More "Creative" Than "Dominant".
Maybe I'm Having Trouble Seeing How A Dominant Subtype Can Function Stronger Having Receptive/Holistic Memory 💁🏽
Listening to this kinda helps me? because at 24 years idk what kind of job i should do because i'm not sure if i'm built to be a CAD operator lol
Anthropologist, philosopher, sociologist and filmmaker should have been on that career list...
I only found true happiness when i decided to let go of a torturing relationship, a decision that also led into quitting a torturing job and as a result (and not so much of a conscious choice)
the space was created for my true self to find out what it was it really wanted to do and that was "to assist others, no matter the personal cost that may have"
Sounds like a scary road but i can tell you it is not scary when you walk it, it is only lonely coz not many choose to do that!
But my inner nature is only now finally satisfied and in bliss! My outter nature would be not, but it's not around to ask its opinion anyway, as when the heart woke up it burned it all to ashes!
INFP = selfless! The quicker you discover it the smaller your conflict will be fellow mirrors!
-I(85)N(100)F(75)P(95)
What's the typical age range for Harmonizing INFPs?
And what's the difference between a Normalizing INFP, & and INFP experiencing Si loop?
The FiSi loop is a dreaded visitor for all the subtypes unfortunately. But from their description, it may visit the Normalizing type a bit more than the others since it seems to use heavier Si?
That's what I was thinking @@jeffbell7086, but my problem is I can't see the fine line between it being a subtype thing (which is a set of adaptions that may or may not be healthy) or a loop thing (definitely, markedly unhealthy). How does an INFP establish a healthy/functional relationship with their Si particularly if they're like me & they can't identify the difference?
A Normalizing INFP will use "Holistic" Ne, which is a more open-framed version. As a 'quieter' Ne, it may be more open to leaning upon Si than (say) the "Analytic" version of Ne.
We talk about Holistic vs Analytic functions in this interview with Dr. Dario Nardi: ruclips.net/video/mI8e263i5Rk/видео.html
Personally, I wouldn't conflate Normalizing with being a loop.
-Antonia
What's the best relationship for INFPs
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I think I've been or atleast I think I've been each and every one of them... when I took the mbt thingy it said I was the infp-a... so in conclusion... idk which one I am lol
Thank you. I def an dominate but I def listen to my intuition. I run a circus of 400 women ❤
Haha! Im also creative INFP but i have both qualities of creative and dominate lol
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can a normalizing INFP still go into the arts?
Yes, why not? I think it's very briefly mentioned in the video maybe some artistic design for a business, maybe architecture
33:50 normalizing INFP
Aww perfect my infp d type(4(w3)78sx/sp Baby bros Brothers bday is April 23 Taurus sun ,Scorpio moon, Virgo rising, Gemini midheaven generator Gen z
Most librarians I’ve encountered are INFJs.
E-commerce
Creative
Please do your research. You sounded very ignored and uneducated when talking about Liberians. Although I'm not one, but I know they are the ones who kept our histories through out centuries.
His ignorance of the library profession is pathetic. Usually the people at the counter who check out the books are not the librarians. They are merely clerks or library assistants. I have a masters degree in library and information science, so I know the extent of education needed to become a professional librarian.
God freakin DANG I’m DEAD INSIDE!!!!!! I have so many freakin hopes & dreams to be an awesome, cool, freelancing creative person but I’ve been STUCK in RETAIL for FOUR YEARS AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Obviously, I’m doing fantastic in life I’m doing so great I’m so good totally fine freakin awesome and amazing aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!! Okay, okay. Real talk for reals. I think I’m a bit “normalized” 🥲 but I am shifting and changing and my bones are breaking but I’m rising from the ashes, I think, I promise. I’m finally actually like talking to people about feeling like a failure in life because my job is the least fulfilling thing I have ever done in my LIFE oh my god!!! But I’m developing my friendships and my friends are hyping me up and kindly pushing my depressed lil booty on over to share my art with the world 🙌🏻 I am realizing that I need my closest homies to help me actually identify if I’m good at the things I do (mostly poetry and photography). I’m going to submit and exhibit proposal to my local library to show my photography 😭😭 I can sell my prints too and keep all the money because the library is filled with straight up ballers 🙏🏻 I also would like to submit to literary magazines to at least like feel as if I’m contributing actively to being a creative person In The World. I’ve been numb for so long in this god forsaken retail job. I have to feed my soul 😭😭😭 I’m making changes. Now. I have to if I want to survive
Change is hard, but worth it. We believe in you. You've got this. -Antonia
It can take a while to understand yourself and make these changes, but even when they're gradual, they are there. Maybe you should keep track of the progress you make in a journal. You'd be surprised about the steps you've taken in e.g. a year...