Should Women Be Allowed To Vote?
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- From Joshua Lahring - Hi Pastor Joel, I have been listening to you on biblical patriarchy and I am wondering what you think about women having the right to vote. Since men are called to lead in the home and should be the governing authorities, should women have part in deciding the direction of society?
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Sufferage puts a state-sponsored wedge between husband and wife. God makes them one, the state divides them into two. Put another way, women’s sufferage is anti-covenantal because it elevates individualism over covenantal union. Women have voted to obligate the state to fulfill the duties of a husband and a mother. The state is the provider and protector so women can thrive without a husband, the state raises children so that women can avoid obligation and thrive in individual (non-covenantal) pursuits.
That’s exactly right. Thank you.
@@RightResponseMinistries the fog is coming
True, but beta pastors don't teach that in churches because they're afraid of being called "machismo".
@@aramisy.cajigas744
Seems that those "beta" pastors are the tyrants that Aristotle referred to.
Aristotle noticed in his time that tyrants (the Greeks would make the difference between authority and tyranny) would easily empower women at the expense of men because tyrants don't fear women but MEN.
@@framboise595 Hmm, interesting point. I forgot my college years when they talked about Aristotle, the sophists, and the philosophers; and the sophists we're those who twisted wisdom (sophia) to convince the masses. Anyway, to comment on your comment, I thought those beta (weak) pastors/sophists/tyrants empower women at the expense of men because they were afraid of women, instead of men, and that's why they appease women's tickly ears. I saw it like that, but your point made me think. What if they're just afraid of truth (both men and women)?
Every adult citizen of a country should have a voice in the government of their country.
Why?
@@RightResponseMinistries because how the country is governed affects all of its citizens, not just the ones with dangly bits.
LOUDERR, SPEAK IT 🔥
@@lepp6598 some people have more of an investment in the countries well being than others. 1 example if you dont have any family in the country or dont own any land, you are more likely to vote for selfish reasons. if youre a person with foresight youll understand how that ends
@@theyletyoudoit I will vote for the party most likely to not legislate those I love out of existence.
Please don't ever change, Pastor Joel. Your honesty and boldness and courage is shocking and so refreshing in times such as these. With your speaking such bold truth as this, the full fury of Satan and his demons are coming for you. He will try to bring you down using all his subtle, seductive, clever ways. Satan doesn't care about atheists or weak, ineffective Christians. But he hates those who can effectively articulate the word of truth, and who boldly stand up for it. Put on your full armor every day. Stay strong. Keep speaking the truth. God will protect you, and reward you with peace and joy.
Steve, what an incredibly encouraging message! Thank you brother! Please pray for me that I would remain faithful and courageous.
Agreed.
@@RightResponseMinistries i thought the video was spot on and even my own mother and her friend has said this country went down the tubes after women started voting. With that said as a single 22 year old man I think there is a strong argument to say we should go a step farther and say only married men should vote because single men arnt a complete house hold and dont have a helpmate which is necessary for the man (thats the rule not exception) and a single man doesnt have the complementary virtues of the woman influencing him like you discussed. With that said im going to keep voting and discussing current events with my christian parents regularly when I visit them but Do you there would be good if our country implement that policy.
@@RightResponseMinistries Oh Elect One, slave and Ambassador of The MOST HIGH, YHWH In the Flesh, KING YESHUA -be Encouraged! You have Saints who actually Live Out the very things that We discuss/things You teach, that We find in Holy Scripture, in Faithful Obedience (as It IS written, One Main End of the Gospel), praying for You and being built up by GOD Working and Willing in and through You, Brother Joel. YHWH Bless n Keep You in HIS Sovereign Right Hand of of Favor, inheritance, Power, and Blessing that No One can pluck You from. Solí DÉÕ gloía B O O M'n on 'em
@@N81999 that’s going too far, because single men are Biblically heads of households. If you want to deny suffrage to men living at home with mom and dad, that would be Biblical
Hey if Women don't get the right to vote then Women shouldn't have to pay Taxes either as no Taxation without representation. 🤨 Also what about Single Women, women without close male relatives & Widows?🤨
yeah neither should women pay taxes nor get right to abortion nor should be allowed to work...and single women should not have left the man anyways
Agreed
Fine by me. Men make up the bulk of taxpayers, whereas women are the reason government tax spending is insanely high
You just unintentionally explained why the government passed the 19th ammendment. They wanted an extra tax group. And if both men and women worked jobs then they can lower wages and increase costs. Women's suffrage is exactly why the cost of living has increased through the years.
Everyone is taxed but not everyone votes. Only men are required to register for selective service which the president calls for. Anyone saying women should vote but shouldn’t be drafted are basically saying that women should be able to vote men into war. Not to mention majority of taxes are paid by men, DESPITE women having the majority vote. These exact problems are what have led America to it’s demise today. It’s not even necessarily women voting, it’s that women have way less responsibility but have majority power.
i've been thinking of this for 10 years and i finally got to have a 'conversation' about it with someone else than my wife. thanks Joel
@Sam97-oi4vc
Oh yeah those poor wives who have screwed Western marriage , acting more like Vashtis than Sarahs...
I'm a CRITICAL THINKER and HIGHLY EDUCATED and saw through MAGA FASCISM.
I remember listening to a woman pastor preach about how you need to get off of social media and to never use it, because "sinners are sinning on it", on it. She didnt use that exact wording, but, basically, thats what she was saying. What she presented pandered to her own personal feelings, rather then the tremendous blessing that God has been able to use social media for. She was popular in the community and so, people would just flock to her, and so she could conveniently say that.
After all, she had her community of friends. But what about the rest of us, who dont have the money to fit into religion? We use social media and the internet. God uses ti to help those of us that religion has rejected. Its like, "no, dont learn about what is going on in south Africa, and the spiritual revival and reformation that is happening the whole world. Just stay in a little box". I wonder how she thinks now, because of how much of the church submitted to the government with covid 19?
I am reminded of Sarai and Abrahm. They had received a massage, a direct Word from Almighty God, about how they would conceive a child in their old age. Guess who went against that Word and said that, basically, "no, God has shut my womb, go sleep with Hagar instead". It was a woman, Sarai, and since Abrahm went along with it, we today, have the Israeli Arab conflict. Also, she lied about laughing in the presence of God and God made sure everybody knew what she had done. Abrahm bowed down himself in the presence of God, but Sarai lied in the presence of God.
Yeah, what you are saying in the video, I whole heartedly believe, not just because of my personal held beliefs, but because the Bible shows us.
A “woman pastor” is an oxymoron.
Pastor Joel, I am curious as to what you think may be needed in order to end this as you said you believe will happen. Given the ramifications of returning society closer to God's intention for it, I obviously would love to see this. That being said, even among the more Biblically sound churches ( mine openly defends male headship ), there seems to be a blind spot here. You have the wives of staff members being housewives and yet these same male staff members will support female political candidates. They will say you can't find the idea that women aren't intended to do such things in Scripture. Obviously, I point out that when God instituted family....he established it with the husband as the head. When he instituted government...he did so with the Patriarchs and Kings. When he created the church...the Pastors and Apostles were men. So, right from their origins, the 3 pillars of society....family, church and government were created in a patriarchal model. So, what is likely to be needed to turn things back to that model ? Women dying in combat in large numbers ? Interested in your views. God bless.
Just the gradual victory of this point of view, as with anti abortion, over decades as the cultural assumptions change, leading to political change. Just multiply and witness
@@JW-tg1nn
Women voting totally destabilises the very patriarchal model the 3 pillars of society were created in.
Can anyone find anything more male-centric than God's word ? It's just impossible.
Government should keep its nose out of the family home
"I got a lot of controversial opinions on this, but they're truthful, so I'll share them." LOL This is why I watch.
Enjoy it while it lasts.
This is Susan's ADL tube and Christianity will be declared "hate-speech" soon.
There a multitude of things that have been instituted to divide women from men. Heros always rescue the woman caught in bondage.
And yet there is no real rescue. Because they are always in bondage. As their religion.. states. This is by birth a slave species then and only women are slaves. That is so not a very good thought ever to hold. Knowing your life is pointless and worthless. What a bunch of bs.
@@trihardsmp8687 Do you mean women who are in bondage to men?
Incontrovertible, the wicked idea that the head of household is unable to speak for his wife is a direct assault on the government of the family.
Even if this were not the case, “you will know by the fruit” as you said pastor, this is the cause of great suffering in our day we must repent for the glory of God and the love of our communities!
Christianity is truly a a delusion.
The man should speak for his wife, and she has no voice in this? Treating the wife as if she has no mind, is that your ideal? Are women even human for you?
@@marcelschmidt1083 Yes, a Man should speak for his wife; because he know her and leads her in love as a follow image bearer of God.
Do you think the government should speak for women? is that your ideal? Are women even Human to you?
@@b.a.r.c.l.a.y is there anything we don’t speak for ourselves on?
@@JonathanMellorn But what if the husband and wife disagree?
Heavens NO!!! Has American history not proven this?!?
Are sources that he provides to prove this?
Yea google is an amazing thing
The bell curve average of men's iq on a graph is higher than that of a woman's. Men are smarter than women and think more logically. Whereas women think more emotionally.
@ 5:50 "If only men could vote then there would not be a democrat president in the last 50 years"
In fact if "If only men could vote" the democrat party would not be what it is now! The 'Overton window' wold not be a sliding scale towards the left.
"The Overton window is the range of policies politically acceptable to the mainstream population at a given time.[1] It is also known as the window of discourse." Wikipedia
I agree with you 100% Pastor Joel... Because I believe that's what the scriptures teach us. I am a 55 year old woman and long before I was saved I used to always say that women's lib ruined our society. Thank you so much for your boldness and your faithfulness to the Lord and His Word. Please keep feeding HIS sheep. We need more bold pastures like you. God bless you and your family! 🙏
Thanks Anna!!
@Anna According to Mr. Webbons doctrine, women are not supposed to use the internet. Therefore, you committed a sin by posting this comment.
@@marcelschmidt1083 Not true. Pastor Joel has never said anything remotely like that. I think you are one of the angry, foaming at the mouth feminists who just can't handle hearing the truth from God's word when it comes to women's roles in the family and society.
@@marcelschmidt1083liar
@@staza1no Christian should be allowed to vote. Christians are far too emotional. Anyone who believes in talking snakes should not vote.
So should I not vote to ban abortion in my state?
That wasn’t my point. My point is not whether women should vote given the current lay of the land. My point was simply whether women should be allowed to vote in an ideal society.
This isn't the Roman Empire. You get to vote.
Voting against evil is God's will, and encouraged
in the true American way.
@@RightResponseMinistries I appreciated your video. Just asking a genuine question! Thanks for your response.
@@RightResponseMinistries Thank you for clarifying.
As long as you have the ability to vote, so does the feminist, and we need to cancel that vote out by voting opposite of it. PLEASE don’t stop voting for pro-life candidates.
Just curious. What if your a widow or a single woman?
Sorry only white males that support sexual predators are allowed to vote
No votes for women
If your vote would be against someone or something evil,
you have your answer.
Single men are ok if they own property. Not women though.
According to the OT law, elder widows with no hope of remarriage (60or older, and additional qualifications are given in scripture) can advocate for their own interests
Based!
Thank you for the video! I was wondering if this means for your church, do women members vote when it comes to congregational decisions? I would assume no. If they do get their own vote I would love an explanation of the difference! Thank you.
The answer would probably be that it’s in Reformed Baptist book of church order tradition, but that can be reformed
@amandasathos1
If women vote when it comes to congregational decisions , assuming there are more women than men , then it means that the church is given a feminine direction , which is contrary to God's will at its highest.
I never see ONE woman having a voice among the male disciples in the Bible.
Man was made first , woman second and as such , men must be singled out all the time. Women must be followers , not deciders.
Wow! This is such a breath of fresh air. I used to be a raging feminist, but… That was in my 20s. And you are right… While I know some old boomers who are still raging feminist in their 70s which is really gross, 🤢 I do think it is something that a lot of people do grow out of. I was that raging feminist in my 20s, but I grew up. Unfortunately, I grew up too late to have children as I have a condition that renders me infertile, but at least I grew out of my feminism. Since coming out of feminism, I can tell you that you speak truth. It is so refreshing to hear somebody actually agree with me on this issue. Letting women into politics was a bad idea to say the least. You have to understand though what sort of women push this sort of agenda and these sorts of ideas. They are usually quite masculine, often and married and well-to-do women. Feminism generally is not a philosophy that cares about the poor and downtrodden women the way that it sells itself to be. So unfortunately, this is why women are forced into these situations. I agree with you completely about women voting, but understand that it's a certain type of woman that pushes the stuff and has always been that certain type of woman going right back to the suffrage movement. The problem as well with feminism generally, but this video specifically is about women's suffrage, is that it has only benefited a small number of these masculine, unmarried and well-to-do women. The vast majority of women are less happy, less safe, and less fulfilled as the decades go on. So I thank you so much for saying these things about women's suffrage. It is so nice to hear somebody speak sense and who I agree with wholeheartedly. You hit all the right points on this issue from go to whoa. Well done. And just to finish off, I can't remember his name now… One of the abolitionists… Douglas Murray? I can't remember his name now, Douglas somebody… Having a mental block at the moment… Anyway… One thing I do remember was that while he was very aggressively pushing for black male suffrage, which is a good thing, he himself was even against female suffrage and never got behind it. So there were even abolitionists at the time, who were antislavery and pro black male suffrage, who were absolutely dead against female suffrage. I hope this comment makes sense, here in New Zealand it's getting late at night.
Grew out of feminism, sure, more like scameleon damage control. Female nature has shown its true face and it is beyond disgusting.
I agree with you. I don't have anything against women. I love them. But it tends to be women who are into these super liberal policies that hurt the family structure.
@Sam97-oi4vc
" We love having rights"
Yeah , the right to screw everything you touch ..
Women love all that is evil and chaotic.
That's what men are to be in charge.
Eve was tempted by what was forbidden.
All women are like that when society lets them go free ride ; they are unable to brake.
Praise the Lord this is so helpful and SO refreshing to hear a biblical teacher not afraid to preach the truth despite controversy! I never considered this! My childhood education consisted of celebrating woman's right to vote and no wonder I was so easily brainwashed into celebrating it too! So refreshing to hear from Pastor Joel who takes the Bible seriously by God's grace alone. Very thankful for God's gracious works through you Pastor Joel! Grace and peace to you!
Is the vote even a thing in God's eyes ? Is he the author of democracy ?
Democracy has degenerated into matriarchy because democracy is not God's way.
Given that women CAN vote currently (whether or not they, or anyone, should [i.e. democracy not being a biblical system of government]) which would be more faithful in our day: a woman taking direction from her father or husband on how to vote thereby increasing political influence of that faithful family, or a woman not voting because they "shouldn't?"
Great video as always.
If you are allowed to vote, vote for freedom
and good. Vote against slavery (Biden, Pelosi, AOC, Sanders, Warren)
and all the bad.
@Corey Logan, this was my question too. I have been convinced for a while that women shouldn’t vote, but I thought that since I have the privilege, I should use it to magnify my husband’s vote. Pastor Joel what do you say?
I just read the rest of the comments and Pastor Joel answered this. Find his reply under Madelyn Grace Suniga’s comment.
@@kaylar3197 think long term instead of pragmatically. The right answer is to refuse. But for the pragmatist, i offer: if no conservative women vote, the Republican Party will stop pandering to women and moving further left, and will become more conservative, OR they will lose elections because conservative men are outnumbered, so the gop moves left, leaving room for a true conservative alternative to take its place
@Cosmic Treason Thanks for the reply. I don’t understand the contrast between long term and pragmatic. Pragmatic would usually be contrasted with principled truth (or idealistic), and this seems to be what you mean. I am I right?
To your pragmatic argument, if I am voting to magnify my husbands vote, being lead by him, how am I encouraging the Republican Party to pander to women? I am no longer voting as a woman but as my husband’s echo.
What category do family's with no head belong to? Is there a place for the oldest son to take some form of headship?
Good question. It probably varies from family to family.
Women take leadership of the family
@@marx5814 Is that ironclad? Where there is no head the mother takes over?
@@marx5814
Yeah , that why the West is a trainwreck now.
@@graspunwrapped1124Jesus puts John (17 years old) as the guardian of Mary (47 minimally) at the cross. She did not get her own household to run
Brothers please go out and vote! Your country needs you
Sisters please go out and vote! Your country needs you
I will continue to vote. I encourage all Christians to stay home, don’t vote. Christians are so easily deceived and manipulated.
Pastor Joel! They make soft attachments that go behind your ears to grip and keep your glasses up on your nose. They are a serious lifesaver! Thought I'd let you know because I'm a fellow glasses wearer that hates pushing his glasses back up.
Hahaha. Thanks!
One vote per married household. Two votes per married household with children, one additional vote per set of three children. Adoption is an option if you can't conceive naturally. You've gotta have some skin in the game. More stake in the future, more influence in the present. You don't get to vote for rampant degeneracy as quickly as possible.
"There are some STOUT women." - Pastor Joel
me: pictured a female dwarf
If women dont need the vote because her husband will vote for her needs on her behalf. What about Widows, single women, Women with dead or absent Fathers?
Good point.
I can't believe this dude doesn't think women should vote.
May God help him.
❤Y
They count as children
Only men are required to register for selective service which the president calls for. Anyone saying women should vote but shouldn’t be drafted are basically saying that women should be able to vote men into war. Not to mention majority of taxes are paid by men, DESPITE women having the majority vote. These exact problems are what have led America to it’s demise today. It’s not even necessarily women voting, it’s that women have way less responsibility but have majority power.
As a church leader myself in a Pentecostal church I came to challange my elder addressing him on all these verses about gender roles and he disagreed with how the bible reads and says that since women have the Holy Ghost in them then they are capable of being Christlike and do they can do what men do and gender roles are no more. How would you think of this and considering no church will agree with you on everything, should I consider this grounds for leaving the church?
I came out of homeless meth addiction and 6 years later am a business owner and middle class. Dozens of friends failed around me because they wouldn’t submit to scripture. I love Jesus and his word and I believe I succeeded because anything that doesn’t align with scripture I reject so btw I believe highly you are right about these things and wouldn’t change my mind about. My spirits fully convinced.
I have rarely met a pentecostal that loves the Word of God, so this is refreshing. Keep seeking answers in His Word. Not trying to fight you, I am only saying that if you follow the Word, and turn away from the deceit of those who say they love God but hate (not emotionally, but in actuality) His Word, He will lead you to a good place where false doctrines and poor decisions resulting from them can die out, and you will be free to obey in the joy of righteousness. As you have already found out the the Bible IS the word of the Holy Spirit inscripted and inerrant, infallible and completely breathed out by God through men sustained to write with clarity exactly how God worded it through them. You are on a good and holy path; follow it to the outcome of life.
Your anecdote is a great supplemental example of why Pentecostalism is so bad. You should leave for that and many more reasons.
God bless you brother for having the courage to do what I and many other addicts have been unable to do. Herion addict myself
@@craigchambers4183 I like this, sir. I'm glad I read this comment. I have been in a Pentecostal Church for half of my life. I recently been shunned without explanation, and I believe it is because I was seeking reconciliation between what I was hearing from the pulpit and what was actually written in Scripture. Without feedback from any church members I cannot say whether or not my attitude or tone or approach was godly or not.
There may be more Pentecostals than you think who love the word of God. I think the reason we are still in it is because of spiritual abuse. Some of us are told we will go to hell if we do not obey the pastor. This is cult-like. So, I really like what you wrote, because it's very encouraging for me to continue to seek a true church.
Thank you.
I'm in a Pentecostal Church too and I have asked many questions. I'm now seeking another church. As I continue to listen to Pastor Joel and others like him it really really bothers me to see women in Authority positions. Recently one of the churches I was thinking about attending had a woman preach on Sunday morning. I was very upset. I wondered what I would have done had I been there. Would I have gotten up and walked out? And I don't feel comfortable going for another reason. I don't want a woman laying hands on me and praying over me during the corporate service. I think this is for obvious reasons, right? But it leads to another issue. The men in the church are allowing women to pray over people and lay hands on them during corporate service. So not only are the women in error, but so are the men for allowing it! I don't think it's wise to allow men who are disobeying God's divine order to pray over me. They probably should not teach me either. They shouldn't have any authority in my spiritual life, right? So these are the questions that go through my mind as I find it hard to leave my church cold turkey.
Let Us make a list of Rights explicitly Given by GOD in the Holy Scriptures! Does Anyone have this‽-)
I stand in agreement! God be with you!
💯
I'm of mixed thought about this. Because I have a Biblical world view, I have a fairly good amount of discernment, I know I can trust myself to educate myself on political voting records, ergo, my voting voice would be an opportunity to be good, however, I don't believe we should be voting or in the military or holding office. Hmmm 🤔, ...😀 Hurray for the Patriarchy !!!! If it's not like it was in the brutish ways.
You need to vote.
No she doesn’t. God doesn’t need your vote to accomplish his will. To take matters into our own hands, like Eve, Sarah, Saul etc, brings ruin, because whatever is not from faith is sin
@@cosmictreason2242 Not voting might actually be Sin!
God gave us government, the nation-state, and borders. If you read the Bible you might learn something. We are commanded by God to be a good steward for what he’s given us. Voting is a part of that.
We are to use the means God has given us in this lifetime, whether it’s reading the Bible, discipling our children so they know the Lord, and taking care of our children in all matters within our means to include feeding and protecting them. Voting is a part of that.
Refusing to vote is being an awful citizen and might actually be Sin. Advocating to not vote means not loving your neighbor. It’s no different than Not helping the poor out of your abundance (by misapplying Jesus saying that the poor will always be with us).
But if you think that we are supposed to let the wicked take over, then please do us a favor and move to North Korea or China. Maybe you could run a house church. They need the gospel too.
@@Psalm144.1 women not leading their households might actually be sin! After all, God requires households to be led by someone. Surely it doesn’t matter who?
@@cosmictreason2242 What does voting have to do with leading a household? The debate here is more about if leftwing pro-abortion women vote, and Christian women stop voting, then how does that help you or not be an example of not following Christ’s Commandment to love your neighbor? How does that help your children in the long run? How does that demonstrate being a good stewards of what God gives us?
What evidence do you have that makes you think the women's vote is going to end?
It's not.
So, no. Got it 😂 I did enjoy the explanation though 👍
Right around 16:15 is where you get into what I have suspected for a long time, Joel. It makes sense that as a husband is leading his family in all other areas, that he would lead in the area of voting as well. This is why the culture (before the rise of the feminists) didn’t see it as anything abnormal. It’s not that they weren’t giving women the vote out of “hatred” for women, as we are now constantly being told.
Think of a school principal: he or she is making decisions on behalf of the entire school community: parents, children, teachers, other staff. These people may be consulted for valuable input, just as a husband is going to have the ear of his wife in the family setting. But ultimately, the school principal is the one making the decision and is then accountable for what happens as a result. The teacher/parent/student has not been given permission to make a decision on behalf of the entire school-unless delegated to by the principal.
Well, all men also didn't get the right to vote until recently as well though. The suffrage movement was more of a struggle by commoners against the nobles than a men vs women thing in reality.
The first time I heard this was not too long ago from The Tansformed Wife. I was shocked. I had no idea that there were people in this country who did not want women to vote. After reading through the comments on her Instagram post I could understand this point of view. And then I was excited to hear this discussed in one of Pastor Joel's interviews with two other male leaders. I don't remember their names. And each of these three men had varying perspectives on their preference for male and household votes. I appreciate this video here today.
Here's my question. Everything makes sense except for the idea that women make poor voting decisions. If this is true, then it's probably because they're voting with their emotions which is not a rational way to make any decision whatsoever and they may also not be educated on politics. In my case, I am not very educated on politics, but I'm cerebral and have strong logic and critical thinking skills. I'm not weak willed. One of the reasons I've refrained from voting is because I know that I am not educated enough on the issues to make a well thought-out decision. I say this to show that I am not offended by the idea of losing my right to vote. However, I am frightened by the idea of votes for men only. If the only voters were saved believers walking blameless in the ways of the Lord, then I would feel absolutely confident in leaving votes to those particular men. If husbands love their wives as scripture commands, the natural result would be that they could and would make decisions in consideration of the well-being of their wives and daughters who hopefully would become wives in the future. But these curcumstances don't exist at-large. Most men are not following YHVW, and I don't know if most husbands who are true saved believers are mature in their walk and understandin of biblical love. Do they make decisions for their household in consideration for the well-being of the women and girls they may be trying to love in the way that scripture commands them to love? Or do they make decisions to bolster their ego and in preference for the other men and boys in the household? (Note: By well being I don't mean giving women and girls whatever they want.)
I'll never forget that Abigail Adams reminded her husband, John Adams, who was one of the first presidents of the US, to remember the women.
Hi Nicole, I follow the Transformed wife on IG too! 👋😀
I understand why this would frighten you, but here are a couple things that came to my mind as I thought about it.
This is unlikely to happen without a nation-wide repentance that make our country re-evaluate our whole system by scriptural principles. I think you can see why that would help.
Second, most of the reasoning Joel presented here was not even based on whether the man was Christian. It was creational-just how men are in comparison to women. So yes, wicked men may vote and lead wrongly and mess things up, but women leading (voting) is a symptom of societal collapse on a massive scale.
And lastly is the same argument for submitting to an imperfect husband. Will he always make the right choices? No. But he is the authority that God has given you, and (barring the exceptions) we should not overturn that order because we think we can do better.
@@kaylar3197 hello👋🏼😊
I thought about all this like you did. But regardless of how likely this could happen, the principles/ideologies make me uneasy.
First of all, it's scary that women can't think logically or become educated about important subject matters. I can't believe these are biological designs by YHVW because it is disordered thinking and a limited capacity to learn. Why would the Gid of order design a disordered and small mind? It must be a result of how girls are being raised.
Second, was the suffrage movenent because women's voices weren't being heard every once in awhile or most of the time? If women arent bring protected and cared for by men, then it leaves them neglected. Neglect is grounds for divorce or separation (I cant remember which.) per "old" testament. What would be a parallel yor addressing the problem of men not voting in favor of the protections and care of women and girls?
Nicole, honest challenge: do you also think abortion should only be outlawed if the majority of people who get pregnant are Christian? Obviously my conclusion is that that’s not relevant in the slightest, and it is, respectfully, without an ounce of misogyny, a great example of how your reasoning is emotional and why you’re not fit to judge matters in the realm of politics. I recognize you from this page and we’re both supporters and have no history of conflict. I hope you’ll be thick skinned enough to take my words at face value without registering offense. Frankly the fact I have to soften what I’m saying just underscores my point, as it is a typically gynocentric response to feel attacked when spoken to critically. Please reread my comment and take it in
@@cosmictreason2242 hi. Yes, I recognize you.
Sir/brother, you didn't "have" to soften your response for me. I was delighted to receive a critique to what I wrote. It's one of the best ways for me to learn. In fact, I was and am always delighted when someone will engage with me in dialectics. I'm happy when someone is able to point out gaps and flaws in my logic, so that I can get rid of them.
If you can speak to me without fear of hurting my feelings, then let's continue. If you're going to continue to temper your speech because you don't want me to break down into tears or fly into a rage, then so be it. I understand why you may think you need to do that and I'll bear the coddling speech.
That said, I want to think about the first part of your argument because it made me pause to think. My initial thoughts about your abortion analogy is that it's not rational; but again, give me some time to think about it.
In the meantime, I'd like to know how you came to the conclusions you made in the rest of your argument.
I'm curious to know which emotions are you sensing from what I've been writing? Which emotion have I expressed that affirms the need to temper your approach with me as though I were the typical woman you may have tried to engage in dialectics?
Why assume that I am the typical person that easily gets offended and refuses to take into consideration opposing ideas that are new and challenging? I wonder if you even read my comment thoroughly and more than once. Did you read the part where I said that I essentially disqualify myself from voting because of my lack of knowledge and understanding of politics? If you read my own self critique against my ability to reason out politics, then why would you say that I'm not fit to judge in the realm of politics? What part of what I wrote was a judgment in the realm of politics?
Feel free to let me know if this response is an emotional one as well.
@@cosmictreason2242 RE: ". . . do you also think abortion should only be outlawed if the majority of people who get pregnant are Christian? Obviously my conclusion is that that's not relevant in the slightest. . ."
I don't know how to respond to this because I'm having a hard time tying it back to my original comment. Could you make your point in a different way? Could you just state your point directly?
Also, I'm new to this channel and a lot of the ideas are new to me and shocking. I'm still learning, including the theological terms. And I don't have the same religious background. So please don't think that I will obviously understand. In fact, I'm still on the fence line about abortion; so my lack of certainty on that issue is distracting me from following your reasoning.
Compassion administered in an unwise way is never godly. It is not a virtuous quality for a woman to do so. Heathens will be heathen.
This is fantastic. Top tier!
Also, using 'drafting women' into the service is a weak argument to take away women's Constitutional Right to vote. The draft hasn't been used in over 50 years, is extremely unpopular, and is easily avoided by the well-off.
Actually,
The argument that a draft is “no longer meaningful” is the weak argument. 51 years ago, males in the United States were conscripted to fight a war in a country that had no meaning to those men. 51 years ago. If it is so meaningless, then why don’t women pass a law that requires themselves to sign up for the “meaningless draft”? And I don’t mean a draft that requires women to “join the military”. I’m talking a draft that says women will be forced to fight on the front line in an infantry.
The vote is tied to force and bloodshed. It is immoral for a woman to decide that a male must fight on behalf of the country, while excluding themselves. It is immoral for a woman to vote on things of economy, laws of justice, and much more, as these can be tied to reasons for wars.
Thousands of years of experience has taught us this, it is only recently in the Christian West that we have decided to allow women to participate in the vote without the consequences of bloodshed.
@@levibaer18originally in America only properly owners were allowed to vote. So it really has nothing to do with the draft at all.
@@motherofbeagles8532
It in fact does. Only property owners that made above a certain amount of money. They were also men would be held responsible to back up with force if needed.
@@levibaer18 so draft women then. Other countries, like Israel, have mandatory service requirements. Serving our country isn't the threat that you may think it is.
@@motherofbeagles8532
Draft women to what? Support positions? Front line infantry?
Studies have been done between all male units vs coed units and have been determined that coed units are significantly less efficient than all male units. Why should we draft women to the front lines to make the men that are in infantry less efficient?
Israel has mandatory female conscription, but those females aren’t deployed to combat situations, and rightfully so. Still not the same.
“Women are more easily deceived than men” that’s what every ad agency uses to their advantage
And that is why men are currently living in a feminist world, even noting the differences of the sexes?
Are older women allowed to vote in your universe, Joel?
❤Y
No
Joel hates women. Nope
19:13 some women vote the way they do because they hear how the poor are spoken of, and lack of compassion to help the poor.
Wait, there is a woman politician more emotional than Donald Trump? Really?
YES ALL THE WOMEN COMBINE, REPEAL THE 19
Yes her name is Joe Biden 😁
Your initial reasoning, that essentially women have suffered by being permitted to vote, is pragmatic. I'd argue that pragmatism is an insidious standard for questions of morality and rights. If we apply a pragmatic standard to other rights, then practically all our rights could, and should be infringed upon. Furthermore, the argument that Eve was deceived and not Adam is true, but Adam passed the buck, and refused to take responsibility for his lack of leadership. So, it may be that woman are deceived in voting, but also, men can't be trusted to lead. You speak of Timothy, and "weak willed women". I must ask, is Timothy saying all women are weak willed? What about redeemed women, those indwelt by the Holy Spirit, who are being sanctified? Is not Gods work, sufficient for fallen women? If women should not vote, because they're easily deceived, and you say experience and Scripture attest to this proclivity for women to be deceived, would not Scripture, and experience say that men have a proclivity to be tyrants, murderous tyrants, and therefore ought not lead? And cannot men be weak willed too? Can anyone say, David? You may say, but the Bible says explicitly men are to lead. This is true, but it doesn't say women are not to vote, and applying the teaching that women should not have authority over a man, to voting, is a stretch. IT would seem, to me at least, that being easily deceived is not the only trait which can cause suffering...but I now argue pragmatically. Is not the answer for women who are easily deceived, salvation....the Gospel....and even dare I say, men teaching? If bent, disqualifies you from something, should not all of us, be disqualified, for all things? It seems to me common grace, and redemption are being ignored...and the applying of commands, outside their clear intentions. If women should not vote because they're easily deceived, then young men should not vote because they're easily manipulated...which of course begs the question, what qualifies for a young man? Is this standard, true for all times and all places? Is a 18 year old today, the same as an 18 year old in 1776? Are all 18 year olds the same? In some ways, this line of reasoning, is almost, Marxist....disregarding the individual, and instead, lumping all into groups. Anyway, that's my .20 cents (to account for inflation)....
It’s not pragmatic, it’s refuting the pragmatic argument AGAINST the Biblical position. Big difference
@@cosmictreason2242 I don't see how arguing woman not being permitted to vote, will cause less suffering, isn't pragmatic. Furthermore, the context of Paul not permitting a woman to teach A MAN, appears to be in the context of the church, not the state, or any other sphere. And anyway, is voting, leading? I'd argue if it is, then there are many more things women should not be permitted to do....such as be doctors.. The Proverbs woman, in Psalms 31, seems to take on an awful lot of responsibility, and such that in facts "leads" her family....at least no less then voting would lead. I think saying a woman can't vote, is adding to Scripture....
@@seesomethingsaysomething2814 it’s not pragmatic because the reason they’re not permitted to vote is that the Bible forbids it. No pragmatic argument has been made. Bible says they can’t, so they can’t.
@@cosmictreason2242 I'm sorry, where does the Bible forbid women from voting?
@@seesomethingsaysomething2814 where does it permit them to?
The PERSONAL is POLITICAL. Domestic issues are CRITICAL and VALID in the public sphere.
What a dork! I can’t even 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
1st Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
“Consider the cost”. All the costs, of course. Most importantly, the medium and long term consequences for “any and all actions we take”. Women, as a rule, and liberals (think liberalism as a mental disorder) are emotional (illogical) and very, very short term thinkers. It is what it is. With love
@olddoc4430
God made man first . Man is his image and glory.
Man images Him , the Creator.
Putting women on the same level is pure blasphemy.
Yep, it's case closed indeed
@@b.a.r.c.l.a.y lol, correct
Only if they are added to the draft or the draft is abolished.
I don't hear you connect with reason why women's suffrage is tied in a 1 to 1 fashion to women being drafted.
It isn't. The fact your country has a draft is the cause. 😂
Wow!! A lot of truth here.
Adam was not deceived? He was deceived by Eve, don't you think? He went with Eve instead of God. We're talking God here! That's not heinous? This guy is Stephen Anderson without all the external wack job accoutrements. Men are "designed" to make decisions for others? Makes me glad I'm single. No chubby cheeked vermin here taking up my precious time here.
This thread reads like a recording of the minutes from a meeting of the He-Man Women Haters Club. I think you folks might be happier living someplace like Iran, Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.
What does the location have to do with argument? Are things more here than there? Is 2+2=4 not true there rather than here?
Well said!!!
This seems like a question for the NINETEEN 20s, not the 2020s.
Before watching in answer to your question... no. After watching 31 seconds I see we agree. Now I'll enjoy the rest of the video. God bless you brother Joel
I'm a female dental surgeon; I wish I had him as patient.
How dare you have the audacity to be woman, have intelligence and be a dental surgeon.😂😂
I wish you did, too. No anesthesia!
Dude is an absolute nutcase.
You're doing a wonderful job of showing the glory of Christianity by contrast. Whatever you believe leads you to violence and lying in wait for blood
They can't help proving his point lol
I have recently been asked at church.. if Christian’s really should be voting in elections.. period.. like, if even Christian men should be voting… thoughts?
I think yes.
If you have the right to vote, you can use
that right. Vote as Jesus would.
It sounds like you might have someone in your church who wants to silence Christians. It might be useful to see who is doing this and work to discern this person’s motives.
Maybe at the local level. At the federal level it doesn't matter much. There is so much corruption and red tape in Washingto, that nothing ever really gets done or changes.
@@RightResponseMinistries but just the men. 🤣
imagine this: you are a woman who works in a coal mine. every day you risk being crushed, blown up from tnt, entrapped by rocks, and eventually will succumb to black lung as you were breathing in rock dust for years. BUT you did it anyway because you loved your husband and kids that much. you literally worked your life away so your family could live safe under a roof. then, all the men who for all of history have sat in shelter raising kids while being protected by women suddenly vote that you have to travel halfway across the world and sit in a ditch with no food or water. eventually you get trench foot, can’t even walk, then get shot in the stomach and lay with agonizing pain until you slowly lose consciousness. all because men thought that was the right decision. women, unless you are prepared to die in a foreign nation defending your decision you shouldn’t have the right to those decisions in the first place
Agreed 100%
One vote per family per land owned.
@Caleb P nope. One per person
Yep.
@@RightResponseMinistries Universal suffrage turned the single husband and wife family unit into two separate/competing voting demographics. To rebuild the country we must rebuild the family unit.
@@sirian9099 amen.
@Caleb P no risk
There are guys on the supreme court that shouldn't be there too!
Does voting matter under lawlessness? We will take any just leaders at this point.
I have to disagree with you here, Joel. Eve being deceived does not make women less-than. Even if it did, I don't see that logically extending into a coherent political philosophy for civil government. I don't see a biblical prohibition on women participating in civil government. There is a very clear prohibition on women participating as pastors, deacons, or elders, but not as voters in elections for civil officers or referendums.
Eve being deceived didn't make her less-than. It was a reflection on an innate quality of women's nature. 1 Peter 3 states that women are the weaker vessel. This was not an onset of sins entrance in the world, it preexisted it. Who bore the responsibility for sins entrance into the world? It was not Even but Adam who did (see Romans 5) however, 1 Peter 3, men are instructed to honor the women for her weaknesses. It's an honorable aspect of a women's nature. It's an integral and beautiful part of women's role. It existed in Eve, and it was Adam responsibility to protect and defend and lead Eve and he failed and the responsibility for sin entering into the world is upon HIS shoulders, not upon Eve's
Well said!!!
@@sawyeranderson1394
Please don't be deceived yourself.
Women are not just "weaker". They are more wicked and rebellious than men and naturally further from God in essence
Man is the glory of GOD but the woman is the golory of man. 1 Co 11
Just consider the horrible state of the West after decades of Luciferian Feminism.
How come when women are in control over men , sex tends to happen everywhere BUT within the confines of marriage ? Isn't it evidence that women love EVIL more than good ?
How come so-called Christian men today ( = henpecked wimps) are stuck in "sexless marriages" (oxymoron) and cannot assert their GOD given rights anymore when GOD , THEIR Lord tells men to get married to act on their sexual urges ? 1 Co 7:4
See what happens when those "weaker vessels" run the show ? GOD 's will for his dear sons in marriage is baffled , mocked , hated because women are enemies. Just as Eve was. Enemies who want control.
Stop thinking that women don't know what they do. They're weaker but not 100% weak. They are evil.
Decades of Feminism have proved it.
God told men to rule. But men don't rule. They are mesmerised by the "weaker vessel".
Women overwhelmingly voted for the policies and the politicians that are causing majority or americas problems.
What about women who have served in the military? Would they be allowed to vote? Why or why not?
@@snowmonster42 womb should never be permitted in the military.
@@RightResponseMinistries Okay. But I'm still confused. Would it be okay for women who have served in the armed services to vote?
You realize that if that’s how it worked, and people who served got the vote, tax payers got to vote, and land owners got to vote that the vast majority of voters would be men? I think the issue is women have the majority vote with significantly less skin in the game
@@aguynamedjake462 I looked this up and it seems that males make up 49.3% of the US population and women make up 50.7%. So yes, women are a very small majority - less than 1%. Of course I realize that if those 3 groups were the only ones allowed to vote then more men than women would be eligible, but we don't have that system. It seems like the argument that is being made here is that because men are more likely to serve in the military, then women shouldn't be allowed to vote. That's why I asked specifically about those women who have served. Your argument seems to be a little different, but also confusing because it depends on what you mean by skin in the game. We are all invested in the future of our country. Some of us don't bring as much to the table at the beginning, but that doesn't mean that we don't care about the future. Women are affected by elections just as much as men.
@@snowmonster42 Do 1 of these 3 to vote: 1. register or serve 2. Pay taxes 3. Own a home. That’s skin in the game. And anyone on welfare shouldn’t have the right to vote until they get off it. Yea the policies effect them but they aren’t moving the economy/defending the country, they shouldn’t have the same power as people who pay into the system. The reason why feminists hate this is that women lose the majority vote
Only men are required to register for selective service which the president calls for. Anyone saying women should vote but shouldn’t be drafted are basically saying that women should be able to vote men into war. Not to mention majority of taxes are paid by men, DESPITE women having the majority vote. These exact problems are what have led America to it’s demise today. It’s not even necessarily women voting, it’s that women have way less responsibility but have majority power.
As a boomer feminist until God caused me to be born-again 38 years ago, my life was chaotic and I was in bondage as I made very bad decisions (sin). Now as a Christian wife being under my husband's authority I have peace and TRUE freedom. There is no freedom in women's liberation. Just the thought of women voting is very disturbing to my spirit and has been for years. Your message, Pastor Joel, was confirmation that God has me on the narrow path. May Christ be praised! Thank you.
What other of your freedoms do you think should be taken away?
Only in Christ and Biblical principles are we truly free. It was for freedom that Christ set us free.
@@DeborahPinkowski I’m also thankful to Christ for all the freedoms. I’m also thankful that ppl like you aren’t allowed to decide who has basic rights.
@emekao502 I would suggest you to study the scripture with an open heart and leave your earthly notions aside and you'll see the truth in there as well. Be blessed by the Grace of God, I wish all the best for you. ❤
God has given women rights to work,vote,etc.
Men could be as you describe but how many truely Godly men exist today? I don’t see the quality in many. If there were maybe women could accept losing the vote.
I just can’t see His enemies becoming His footstool in anything like any future I can see (which isn’t my place to see anyway).
And I’ve tried to volunteer to help others (even to dig a ditch) and I’m turned down - which I used to do but now realize that was my error.
@SteffanRhoads
"how many truely Godly men exist today? I don’t see the quality in many. If there were maybe women could accept losing the vote."
Lol As if feminists in Christian guise cared for godly men at all !
Women in essence are further from God than men are.
1 Co 11 clearly says that MAN is the glory of God but the woman is just the glory of man.
Don't expect anything good coming from women raised to tjink that the world revolves around their asses.
Nothing worse than the post modern Western woman.
Your wife needs to vote!! Oh my goodness.
She does.
Excellent message for our nation at this time. We always need to remember what the Bible says… NOT what it DOESN’T say.
Amen, the truth is painful to those who resist it. Those who are baptized with the Spirit of Truth it makes sense!
Good stuff, Joel.
Right or not, you are mean.
Oh yes...Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, Indira Ghandi....
Wow
I disagree… and I am a woman so it doesn’t count right ?
imagine this: you are a woman who works in a coal mine. every day you risk being crushed, blown up from tnt, entrapped by rocks, and eventually will succumb to black lung as you were breathing in rock dust for years. BUT you did it anyway because you loved your husband and kids that much. you literally worked your life away so your family could live safe under a roof. then, all the men who for all of history have sat in shelter raising kids while being protected by women suddenly vote that you have to travel halfway across the world and sit in a ditch with no food or water. eventually you get trench foot, can’t even walk, then get shot in the stomach and lay with agonizing pain until you slowly lose consciousness. all because men thought that was the right decision.
women got the right to vote. one of the main reasons you vote is to decide on policy that dictates whether we send thousands of men to go and die protecting YOU. women got the right to vote without the responsibility of paying for your vote with death from the brutality of war! bottom line is you shouldn’t vote if your not ready to die defending the policies you’ve voted on.
He mostly responded to people that agree with him. It says alot about his personality
@@henrylar8958that's why the draft is an offense to human rights. It has nothing to do with women voting.
@@LC-hv1qn doesn’t matter… natural rights are what had men dying for women in the first place. the issue is women demanding the right to vote when they have very little consequence for who or what they vote for. it has everything to do with women voting when their votes decide the fate of men. women could vote without having to face the repercussions and still do. send the women to the front lines for hundreds of years and soon you’ll find they vote against war and very conservatively
Perfect !!!
He's wrong, you know....❤Y
@@user-bl6zc4bp8iNo. He is right. Wake up...
Corey Minor pointed out that African-Americans also voted a lot more for Hillary Clinton than for Donald trump.
@blindvision4703
Blacks and women are destroying your country.
Apparently Trump has changed that. He swears they love him now that he's a felon
Amen, Pastor Joel.
I’m a proud misandrist
Absolutely no.
A better question should be... should Christians vote?
Yes it’s biblical
@@sofiabravo1994 what Bible verses do you suggest?
Taken from a website (so not original by me)
In our day and age, there are many who want to drive the name and message of Christ completely out of the public arena. Voting is an opportunity to promote, protect, and preserve godly government. Passing up that opportunity means letting those who would denigrate the name of Christ have their way in our lives. The leaders we elect-or do nothing to remove-have great influence on our freedoms. They can choose to protect our first amendment right to religious freedom and the right to spread the gospel, or they can restrict those rights. They can lead our nation toward righteousness or toward moral disaster.
Yes. I believe Christians should vote.
People like this say women are more easily decieved than men. This guy seems easily deceived just because he believes that the story of Adam and Eve is the literal truth. He probably also believes the same about Noah's ark. If he had a valid point about women not being allowed to vote, then maybe I'd listen. As it is, I'll stay on the side of logic.
No
should men be allowed to vote? they would definitely have to ask their wives for permission. men have to submit to their wives according to the Bible
@aikozoe6598
Yeah sure. Adam submitted to his wife. First simp in History.
I actually grew up in a conservative catholic family and myself and my family we became more liberal as we got older. I’m 43 years old now and I am a progressive liberal as well as my husband who is from the same area as I am and grew up like I did and he’s also a USMC combat veteran. We have a 14 year old daughter and we teach our daughter to be independent where she would not need a man for anything until she chooses to at some point in her life. We also teach her to be accepting, and to be kind. But hey, that’s just us.
That’s more in line with biblical teachings ironically.
@@justchilling704 How is it more in line with biblical teachings?
@@nerychristian The point about it being their daughters choice to marry or not and to be kind.
@@justchilling704
Really ? Where does the daughter "choose" to marry in the Bible ?
Please reconsider what Paul said .
Those parents are just teaching their own daughter to do as she pleases and wants , which is 100% unscriptural.
It is in fact demonic to say the least.
Women's so-called independance has led the West to where it is now.
It is abominable and against God's design. God made the woman for the man. Not for herself !!! Totaly useless and harmful.
Women living for themselves are the greatest nightmare of our post modern societies. We will then hypocritically wonder why the birth rate is so low.
Oh my goodness! How insulting to women!
lol keep crying
Truth can hurt. Especially when it’s addressing unbiblical falsehoods we’ve taken as dogma.
It’s true though
@ellieholbrook4234
Show me one thing a woman can do that a man cannot do .
Nothing except bearing children .
WHO created women this way ? God . The one pagans call "abuser" , "control freak" and "misogynist" becuase it does not fit their Western Luciferian ideologies.
A woman's worth from a biblical perspective is always connected to MAN
Proverbs 31 Because God made the woman for the man . Nothing else.
Women are not only useless but higly harmful when they're not where they belong anymore.
End of the Western civilisation is near
I agree. This is super insulting. I also have a controversial thought- these guys are power hungry and they better be careful bc Satan is gonna take advantage of it
Joel you need to be very careful. You have some very strong opinions and I feel like you are seeking to have more power than you need. This can be dangerous. And obviously I disagree with you. I am gonna get off your channel now bc I am not a Calvinist or post millennial and I strongly disagree with your views on women. I have been watching you mostly bc of your post millennial views and to learn more (I have found that behaviors are driven by beliefs) but you are over the top on the womens things. You will be held accountable. I also realize you don't like women calling you out but you don't make the rules, God does.
NO
Joel is spot on! Men should be the leaders of society in every area. It's what Patriarchy is all about. You may think "this is too much " but it's the truth. The fact that without women votes, there never would've been a democratic president in the last 50 years is very eye opening!
@Caleb P you wrote:
What do you make of Deborah? Obviously she was an exception...
The truth is often at the extremes. One of kind people/moments
in the Bible are there to show us something. Never to be dismissed.
Now she sent word and summoned Barak the son of Abinoam from Kedesh-naphtali, and said to him, “The Lord, the God of Israel, has indeed commanded, ‘Go and march to Mount Tabor... I will draw out to you Sisera...
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So Deborah summoned Barak.
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But Jael, Heber’s wife, took a tent peg and a hammer in her hand, and went secretly to him and drove the peg into his temple, and it went through into the ground; for he was sound asleep and exhausted. So he died.
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Then Jael (another woman) kills Sisera.
-excerpts Judges 4
@Caleb P Deborah was a prophetess.
So clearly she had authority. The easy
way out of this is to say no woman is
a prophetess in our time. Then that
debate has a clean kill.
I am torn in this matter. Considering
my time in Christ I really shouldn't be.
Does it makes spiritual sense for an
ungodly man to rule, instead of a godly
woman?
I just saw a video recently about home
churches. Maybe that is the answer. Just
come together and pray and praise and read the bible. It certainly removes all
the 'authority' stuff.
Also, you actually get to know people
and care about them. This never happens
at a sermon, because that isn't its intention.
@Caleb P Say to the righteous that it will go well with them,
For they will eat the fruit of their actions.
Woe to the wicked! It will go badly with him,
For what he deserves will be done to him.
O My people! Their oppressors are children,
And women rule over them.
O My people! Those who guide you lead you astray
And confuse the direction of your paths.
- Isaiah 3:10-12
Women in leadership is a judgement from God. An indictment against the soft men who reject their responsibility to lead.
@Caleb P She was not "raised up" to be a leader. No where in Judges, does it say the LORD "raised her up" to be a leader. This wording is missing in Judges 4:4.
The judging she rendered to Israel was done under a tree and in private. Even her discussion with Barak indicates it was also done in private. And finally, if her example were "common" or exemplary in any way, then why is she the ONLY example of a female judge in the Bible? Where are the rest of these female "leaders"?
I think a question we could ask would be:
Will GOD raise up a female leader for HIS ppl? And the answer to this question is NO.
Never has. Never will.
@@Jaisha26
Now Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel at that time. She used to sit under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in the hill country of Ephraim; and the sons of Israel went up to her for judgment.
She was judging Israel at that time by God's will. God could
have raised up another and another and another prophetess
at that time if He wished.
When she prophesied it came true.
I will draw out to you Sisera, the commander of Jabin’s army, with his chariots and his many troops to the river Kishon, and I will hand him over to you.’”
And
She said, “I will certainly go with you; however, the fame shall not be yours on the journey that you are about to take, for the Lord will sell Sisera into the hand of a woman.”
So it started with Deborah (a woman) and ended with Jael (a woman).
There is no way out of this. Sorry.
look, man, you're honest I'll give you that. And I'm definitely a right-winged conservative fellow very much against modern feminism. But I do think that if any population of people does not have the right to vote they will naturally be vulnerable to injustices that only the represented population has any power to change. And as our society pushes further from the family, women would be less and less represented by their husbands and would thus become silent altogether. Perhaps your arguments would make sense if we lived in a society where women were actually represented by their husbands and the family structure was firmly planted. Also just because one population votes different than you does not mean that they should not have the right to vote, that reasoning completely undermines the point of democracy. So your first point just sounds completely ridiculous to me.
The one sane non-fascist comment. Congrats!
@landanjenson6947
Do you realise that women are not men in anyway? That God put men in the power position everywhere , in every place in society , family , church ?
Not that I like it, I just don’t have good arguments against this.
No. Maybe if they have to sign up for the draft like the boys.
It is HER choice
Not a choice, but a privilege, because the power to choose doesn't exist.
Much respect. Well done.
I'd this a rhetorical question?🙏
You should have a talk with Jordan Peterson about this I think this topic is something more people should at least consider… I’m not religious but you made interesting points.
Excluding the 1964 election (LBJ verses Goldwater) every presidential election since the 1950s would have put a Republican in the White House
if men only voted. (and as I’ve said on here before, I’m not a Republican).
I’ll catch much flack for this but it’s undeniable that most women vote based on emotion rather than on facts.
The “whole my body my choice”, women’s lib, “Me Too”, absurd environmental movements, etc.
I’ll throw you one better, I don’t believe anyone should be able to vote without passing a voter competency test. Every voter, every election. “I just hate Trump” is not an acceptable reason to be allowed to vote.
The age should also be raised back up to 21. The 18 year old of 2022 is not the 18 year old of 1952.
Net tax payer voting. You have to pay more in taxes then you use in government services to vote. If are on welfare and you don’t pay taxes you don’t get to vote.
@@ShopRat295 I’ve never heard that prerequisite before, but I’d be open to that.
@@ShopRat295 So much for old people on social security
and Medicare.
Don’t raise the age, make the qualification being that you live by yourself and support yourself financially. Then we encourage people to grow up younger
@@user-iz8np3vv4i if they don’t have investment income, then they are probably liberal anyway
These crazy right wingers are definitely entertaining. Guilty pleasure 😂
@@JW-tg1nn
If you loved Jesus so much , you would teach women their right place and role and not boost their sinful egos.
@@JW-tg1nn
If you love Jesus , you love men first since man is the glory of God. And you love women because of men and what men need and can find in women.
This order is wonderful . But isolating women from men and caring just for women is horrendous.
Men don't envy women .They keep their own place. Only women envy men and are never satisfied with the place they have been given.
Man's ego images God's ego in many ways.
His ego is not always sinful contrary to what we are told in pulpits today.
@@JW-tg1nn
The truth of the gospel is mocking God's creational order and have women rule over men ?
There is no "gospel" when the Lord is intentionally mocked as he is today.
Telling people that Jesus died for their sins but whatever the Lord says or commands does not matter is pure blasphemy.
Making it all about "grace" and nothing else is blasphemous.
Christ told them to go make DISCIPLES of all nations . Not just people who will "accept" him .
@@JW-tg1nn
I know we don't clean ourselves and then come to Christ. But the problem today is , we come to Christ and that's it.
We don't preach what is written at all or we twist it to the max to tailor it to the Luciferian feminist spirit that is plaguing the West.
By making it all about women as the post modern church does , we do mock God's order . We preach some kind of cross theology , which is an abomination .
There is nothing more male-centric than the Bible but by some kind of sorcery , we are taught exacerbated gynocentrism all the time.
@@JW-tg1nn
Weird male/female heresy ? That's how you call God's order of creation ?
No. If we women were created in his image , the church would not be portrayed as a wife .
We as women image God's people , ie what is under .
Man (husband) images God/Christ , ie what is above
The masculine , in essence is divine but the feminine is earthly and carnal (not derogatory ).
The masculine did not exist when Adam was created. It existed in God before Adam.
However , the feminine started to exist after Adam , for him and because of him.
It's a very beautiful reality and no God-fearing woman can be envious of this position. She delights in hers because she has the glorious ability to bear children , something always praised in the Bible.
6:53 this section explains well the different responses to COVID.
Conservatives were adding up the tradeoffs, but liberals rushed in and railroaded the wrong feel-good answers.
Are women citizens of this country?
Only men are required to register for selective service which the president calls for. Anyone saying women should vote but shouldn’t be drafted are basically saying that women should be able to vote men into war. Not to mention majority of taxes are paid by men, DESPITE women having the majority vote. These exact problems are what have led America to it’s demise today. It’s not even necessarily women voting, it’s that women have way less responsibility but have majority power.