Had a ton of fun playing with you in the second round and in top 16! It was also the most fun I’ve had playing Cedh, thanks for the amazing games. Looking forward to next time -Dargo Tymna
Congrats on Top 4, Ian! Love Chthonian Nightmare, it has so many use cases. Just some lines many people do not immediately see: Birgi (as a loop piece): Dockside loops will now generate infinite mana at a dockside count of 4 (recasting Nightmare will generate one R -> this needs one additional starting mana though). Birgi (on the battlefield): Dockside will now go neutral on a count of 2 and generate infinite mana on a count of 3 (Birgi sees each cast of nightmare) Impulsive Pilferer: Reduces needed Dockside count for infinite mana to 4. Stitcher's Supplier: With a Dockside Count of 4, you can still go through your whole library, as you don't need the treasure generation. Just reanimate Thoracle with it. If you feel very cheeky, you can even essentially mill 6 for one mana while on a dockside count of 3. As soon as you can get Birgi in your graveyard, you can then get her on the field, continue looping and get Thassa's Oracle. Phyrexian Metamorph: Due to Dockside only costing 2, you can loop it with a 4 mana creature if DS starts in the graveyard. Thus, with Metamorph, you can loop any opponen'ts/own creature ETB as well. .. not in this list, but Spellseeker and Imperial Recruiter also LOVE Chthonian Nighmare. :)
Great rundown! Thanks for keeping your word during your last round of swiss. Lots of players who would lie through their teeth, character be damned. I appreciate you playing atop the pillar of integrity.
Maybe now more people will pop into the lil grixis dargo channel on discord, the deck is super sick, glad its getting some attention and congrats on the run with it!
Great report! Congrats Sean for the RogSi run That finals situation is kind of hilarious…. We’ve all galaxy brained ourselves so I get it, but.. Mull to 5’s typically don’t sandbag much interaction folks 🤣😅
Longtime member/player on the Dargo discord, writer of the Mardu Dargo primer. Many of the Dargo Silas lists as per the Dargo discord abuses Ruthless Technomancer, due to its ability have many infinite loops with Dargo and copy effects. Wondering about not playing that card? Also,playing Impulsive Pilferer, typically pilferer only has been used as a budget constraint, swapping that for like a magda or skirk prospector. I know you mentioned you wanted more creature combos
Our semi-final match was definitely a masterclass on how much fun our format can be! Hopefully, we will get a rematch someday, and i won't get wheeled into one land before my turn starts! 😅 -Tanner
doesnt Necrodominance hinder Underworld Breach wins since it says "If a card or token would be put into your graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead."?
Enjoy these mindset videos/ deck tech and how you actually play the deck. One thing I'd recommend for entertainment quality and for delivery is that you could add in some more back end editing and production improvements. Such as, when you are talking about the combos and certain card names you could pop them up onto the screen. Add in some animations and simple little things that grab your viewers attention. Because right now you are solely banking on that people have a good enough imagination to picture the things you are saying. People get bored if something isn't grabbing them, and even with how exciting your story may be, some times that's not enough. Specially with a 48 minute video, it should have something keeping people around throughout the whole video. I imagine you put these together yourself and your editing knowledge may not be as good as your magic skills. But youtube has great videos for everything! If you are using Premiere Pro from Adobe, they basically have added in so many resources that it can almost edit for you. Just takes a little investment is all.
@@ComedIanMTG I've watched many videos, and i've noticed this about a lot of them. Not to compare channels or degrade anything you are doing at all, but using Play to Win as an example as what i'm trying to say. The assets and editing they provide in the videos are fun and engaging. Your videos would hit different in a really good way with some more editing and better camera. Or get rid of green screen and have a cool backdrop or scene created. Just brainstorming to help, since i enjoy these.
Im seriously surprised you don't play flamekin herald. Its seriously underrated amd arguably better than the breech line because it has less parts to make it work for you. You can use the cascade triggers to play your deck in a specific order with no consequences. And since we play born apon a wind we have the added advantage of keeping our combo going in front of counterplay Not to mention this combo specifically makes the breech line better. I also play Agatha soul cauldron as an alt win condition with walking Ballista because. I also play brain Freeze alongside tendrils and grapeshot
I can send you one of the weirdest and maybe just bad decks I've brought to a tournament with these 2 lolol: www.moxfield.com/decks/9UM1HmKgvEaTU3RDCyWAxg
I can look into some food chain. Tbh one of my favorite Win Conditions. (I've had a spicy and wacked out list for a while maybe its time to bring it out)
I'm really interested in the decision of not adding in Demonic Consultation to the deck. Is going through Dargo loops enough? Did you miss consultation? Also, you mention Displacement Wave as a pet card, what is x usually cast for?
@@MrSonictheOtter didn't miss consult at all tbh. I almost always find it to be the most volatile card in my lists. For wave I often find that if you resolve an x=2 in a breach deck you can win that turn
@ComedIan MTG Michael from the Top 4 here. Thanks for sharing your list! It is a sweet brew and sounded like you had some wild games. I had nothing going for me that last turn, and I figured I'd only have a shot if Wounded used his interaction. I was certain he was holding something playing Nadu and passing. Turned out, he really just didnt have it 💩 I look forward to our rematch. Gg's again 🤙🌈
I don't think it is far from consideration. The problem with leyline in comparison is that leyline is amazing T1 but considerably worse than the other 2 effects at all other points.
@@ComedIanMTG In decks like Rog Si, I'm shocked that the FREE burst at the beginning of the game isn't more valuable than a guaranteed 3 mana for floodcaller, even if it is at flash speed. I've found success with it
I don't even need to look to see that your list is now considered banned by the new BnR they just dropped: Jewled Lotus, Mana Crypt, Dockside AND Nadu.
Had a ton of fun playing with you in the second round and in top 16! It was also the most fun I’ve had playing Cedh, thanks for the amazing games. Looking forward to next time
-Dargo Tymna
Congrats on Top 4, Ian! Love Chthonian Nightmare, it has so many use cases.
Just some lines many people do not immediately see:
Birgi (as a loop piece): Dockside loops will now generate infinite mana at a dockside count of 4 (recasting Nightmare will generate one R -> this needs one additional starting mana though).
Birgi (on the battlefield): Dockside will now go neutral on a count of 2 and generate infinite mana on a count of 3 (Birgi sees each cast of nightmare)
Impulsive Pilferer: Reduces needed Dockside count for infinite mana to 4.
Stitcher's Supplier: With a Dockside Count of 4, you can still go through your whole library, as you don't need the treasure generation. Just reanimate Thoracle with it. If you feel very cheeky, you can even essentially mill 6 for one mana while on a dockside count of 3. As soon as you can get Birgi in your graveyard, you can then get her on the field, continue looping and get Thassa's Oracle.
Phyrexian Metamorph: Due to Dockside only costing 2, you can loop it with a 4 mana creature if DS starts in the graveyard. Thus, with Metamorph, you can loop any opponen'ts/own creature ETB as well.
.. not in this list, but Spellseeker and Imperial Recruiter also LOVE Chthonian Nighmare. :)
Actually with Birgi dockside count of 1 goes nuetral, 2 would be infinite. Credentials, wrote the mardu dargo primer
Seems like you are simply a pretty good player an deck builder, Ian
Yeah he aight
Ian is bob the builder of cedh. Absolute beast 💪
Seems like he cheats
Great rundown! Thanks for keeping your word during your last round of swiss. Lots of players who would lie through their teeth, character be damned. I appreciate you playing atop the pillar of integrity.
Always :) it's something I really prioritize in games.
Yes! So happy to see this.
The dargo discord channel literally chatted this on a call the weekend you were playing, before we knew you were on this
So cool! The grixis variant can be built in SO MANY ways and I think that's super sick. hoping the community sleeves more up :D
Dargo Silas is the one list I am thinking about playing for ages. Never found the time to build it but man! It is time now
This guy should try out CEDH, feel like he would be good at it!
Maybe now more people will pop into the lil grixis dargo channel on discord, the deck is super sick, glad its getting some attention and congrats on the run with it!
Give this man any deck and he will win games! Good stuff dude. ❤❤❤
Chthonian + butcher with dockside access to mill your deck is neat, something I’ll consider in the Master, Transcendent.
Great report! Congrats Sean for the RogSi run
That finals situation is kind of hilarious…. We’ve all galaxy brained ourselves so I get it, but.. Mull to 5’s typically don’t sandbag much interaction folks 🤣😅
Noooo, I’ve been reduced to a blue farm player 😔, Tev Kraum doesn’t deserve to be slandered in this way. GG round 5 was crazy
Oops my bad!!!!
Longtime member/player on the Dargo discord, writer of the Mardu Dargo primer. Many of the Dargo Silas lists as per the Dargo discord abuses Ruthless Technomancer, due to its ability have many infinite loops with Dargo and copy effects. Wondering about not playing that card? Also,playing Impulsive Pilferer, typically pilferer only has been used as a budget constraint, swapping that for like a magda or skirk prospector. I know you mentioned you wanted more creature combos
Our semi-final match was definitely a masterclass on how much fun our format can be! Hopefully, we will get a rematch someday, and i won't get wheeled into one land before my turn starts! 😅
-Tanner
I will genuinely think about that all the time. cEDH can be so competitive but the element of fun is not mutually exclusive.
doesnt Necrodominance hinder Underworld Breach wins since it says "If a card or token would be put into your graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead."?
You just have to bounce your necrodominance before breaching
It absolutely does :)
It is something you really have to work around but a bounce spell is usually enough
I remember when dargo was viable
would love to see your take on a Jund turbo deck, love the content Ian !
Sad you couldn't make Commander Palooza. Hopefully you can swing by MI for the $5k in November. Love the videos Ian, keep up the great work!
You can also run Rakdos, the muscle in the 99 to turn your creature sac’s into a wincon.
I had darg/si built as a cedh deck before I even knew what cedh was lol my buddies wouldn't let me play with it cause they could stand a chance!
Was a super fun tournament. Hope to see you again and we can play a more interactive game next time lol. -Gage
Enjoy these mindset videos/ deck tech and how you actually play the deck. One thing I'd recommend for entertainment quality and for delivery is that you could add in some more back end editing and production improvements. Such as, when you are talking about the combos and certain card names you could pop them up onto the screen. Add in some animations and simple little things that grab your viewers attention. Because right now you are solely banking on that people have a good enough imagination to picture the things you are saying. People get bored if something isn't grabbing them, and even with how exciting your story may be, some times that's not enough. Specially with a 48 minute video, it should have something keeping people around throughout the whole video. I imagine you put these together yourself and your editing knowledge may not be as good as your magic skills. But youtube has great videos for everything! If you are using Premiere Pro from Adobe, they basically have added in so many resources that it can almost edit for you. Just takes a little investment is all.
That is usually something my editor adds, but I think with me returning from vacation and having a quick turn-around they were left out
@@ComedIanMTG I've watched many videos, and i've noticed this about a lot of them. Not to compare channels or degrade anything you are doing at all, but using Play to Win as an example as what i'm trying to say. The assets and editing they provide in the videos are fun and engaging. Your videos would hit different in a really good way with some more editing and better camera. Or get rid of green screen and have a cool backdrop or scene created. Just brainstorming to help, since i enjoy these.
Im seriously surprised you don't play flamekin herald. Its seriously underrated amd arguably better than the breech line because it has less parts to make it work for you. You can use the cascade triggers to play your deck in a specific order with no consequences. And since we play born apon a wind we have the added advantage of keeping our combo going in front of counterplay
Not to mention this combo specifically makes the breech line better. I also play Agatha soul cauldron as an alt win condition with walking Ballista because. I also play brain Freeze alongside tendrils and grapeshot
Interesting deck! Love the content.
Ian could you please brew a spice Tymna Rog list? I want to try it but I’m not sure what avenue to go do down.
I can send you one of the weirdest and maybe just bad decks I've brought to a tournament with these 2 lolol:
www.moxfield.com/decks/9UM1HmKgvEaTU3RDCyWAxg
Well this deck looks like a ton of fun! Might be the next deck I try out!
Chthonian + Dockside + OBM is a wincon too
OBM?
@@Snamifybowmaster
@@Snamify orcish bowmasters
Love the vids. Would love to see more food chain decks played. Prossh or ukkima//cazer
I can look into some food chain. Tbh one of my favorite Win Conditions. (I've had a spicy and wacked out list for a while maybe its time to bring it out)
I'm really interested in the decision of not adding in Demonic Consultation to the deck. Is going through Dargo loops enough? Did you miss consultation? Also, you mention Displacement Wave as a pet card, what is x usually cast for?
@@MrSonictheOtter didn't miss consult at all tbh. I almost always find it to be the most volatile card in my lists. For wave I often find that if you resolve an x=2 in a breach deck you can win that turn
2:00 I have been theorizing an Orvar Valley Floodcaller/Paradise Mantle build your own Paradox Engine Deck.
Darkgo, the Shipseeker
Hi, you mentioned a version with kozilek's unsealing and phyrexian altar. I would be interested to see that decklist please!
www.moxfield.com/decks/qCz9FHCNcEuKyJvT55YvGg
Ian, you gotta cut 4-7 lands and just keep the mindset of < I'm always gonna have it >. /j
Jokes aside, great video and sick brew
Does anyone have the Minsc decklist by any chance? edhtop16 doesn't have hardly any decklist for this tournament
I even checked Melee where the decks were supposed to be but it wasn't there :/
DARGO LETS FUCKING GOOOOO
Cooking
But the gas isn't on
@cedhtv pontus cooking?
Pontus is usually on tymna Dargo. Still I wonder how many brewers have picked up Dargo in any variant because of him.
@ComedIan MTG
Michael from the Top 4 here. Thanks for sharing your list! It is a sweet brew and sounded like you had some wild games.
I had nothing going for me that last turn, and I figured I'd only have a shot if Wounded used his interaction. I was certain he was holding something playing Nadu and passing. Turned out, he really just didnt have it 💩 I look forward to our rematch. Gg's again 🤙🌈
GG's!!!
I do not understand the love of valleyfloodcaller without consideration for leyline of anticipation
I don't think it is far from consideration. The problem with leyline in comparison is that leyline is amazing T1 but considerably worse than the other 2 effects at all other points.
@@ComedIanMTG In decks like Rog Si, I'm shocked that the FREE burst at the beginning of the game isn't more valuable than a guaranteed 3 mana for floodcaller, even if it is at flash speed. I've found success with it
I don't even need to look to see that your list is now considered banned by the new BnR they just dropped: Jewled Lotus, Mana Crypt, Dockside AND Nadu.
They let Max the bully play?
Take tayam to a large event.
Love the list!! Just saw you placed top 4 with Urza? Will there be a deck tech/tourney report for that? 🫣
I didn't top with Urza, it was a glitch in the software unfortunately. I did however Top 4 with Etali, which I will be covering :)
@@ComedIanMTG Aw that’s a bummer, but still very cool! Can’t wait to hear about it!