50/50 Panning: How to Make Your Mixes Wide AND Balanced | musicianonamission.com - Mix School #1
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Today's topic is pretty huge. I'm surprised it has taken me this long to talk about this...
Let me ask - what do you think is the one mixing tool that most people never give proper thought?
That they just wildly adjust with no aim or intention?
To me, it's the pan pot.
You might have heard of LCR panning before. It's the act of only panning hard left, center or hard right. And it works.
But I like to work slightly differently.
I call my system 50/50 panning, and it might just take your mixes to the next level.
(Especially if you're used to randomly panning channels with no clear system in place)
If you want your mixes to sound WIDE, but still BALANCED, you need to watch this video. 
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I actually use "25/25 panning": Stuff at the center, and other some at 25% in one side, 50%, 75% and 100%. I feel a good balance that way but it actually depends on the instrument and how "in your face" or "background" it is.
Me as well, but I'm now kind of thinking really there's nothing to stop us from using 1/4's (25% panning increments), 1/3's, 1/2's in separate parts of the song to add stereo contrasts between the appropriate corresponding phrases to help accentuate any phrase by designing less stereo contrast in the passage preceding it...
Your video confirmed what I've been doing lately. Reassuring. Thanks.
I think a mistake alot of people make is to start panning to early. Good to get your static mix in mono first and then pan. :)
Loopaxe Records agree 100%!
yup.
Agreed!!!! 100!!!
100% true.
Just a heads up you guys. I'm afraid that's not true. Your mix in mono is going to sound way different as soon as you start panning, especially channels 100% right or left, since they'll lose on average 6db. Best mixers in the game back this up. Try it yourselves. Listen to a sound or mix in mono, then pan a channel or the sound hard right or left. When it's panned all the way, it will lose db. Conclusion: a mix without panning, and the same mix with panning, different mono output. So be aware of that. Take care.
Been watching your videos all night, feels like I found a goldmine! Subbed and liked everything!
Brilliant video from Rob, as usual. Thank you.
After watching this video, I feel abit more confident in panning all the way to one side and undedtsnd the difference it can make!! Thanks mate
This technique along with mixing to pink noize really changed my mixing for the better! Thanks man!
Glad we could help!
I really like this suggestion you made about making sure it sounds good in mono first, before we start planning. That makes a lot of sense.
This is totally helpful. I believe your decisions to pan should be based on what generally works for the style of music you are going for. I don't know why I didn't think of this technique when it is really basic. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Earned a sub.
Pukka 👍🏼 I used techniques from another of your vids on subtractive/additional EQ, moved onto panning after watching this and applied a mix of hard and 50/50 panning and .... 💥 I finished my 1st ever, EVER mix, (well.. that I'm absolutely happy with anyway!) Like a real growing moment for me mate.... thanks again man 🙏🏼💯
Awesome!
What a quality video! Best one on this subject I’ve seen! 🤜🏻
Its really really really a very helpful of me because last four to five days i m gonna stuch with my mind to pan my reel audio with stereo compatible mono mix and yes thats my solution....
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Good video. I am currently struggling making that wide sound on my new electronic music track. But I've been reading and watching too many videos. Some people say use LCR panning, some say use Haas effect.. Some use expensive plugins. I guess in the end there is no right or wrong way doing things after all when it comes to music :) sometimes I notice I get completely lost when I compare my track to some super wide professionally engineered release and lose my hair because I cannot get the same sound. Music is fascinating because there is always something new to learn :)
Damn, as if it wasn't enough that you make the best tutorials on YT but you're also such a bae. Stooop!
Awesome tutorial! We'll definitely be applying this to our self recorded stuff :) Thanks!
awesome video - awesome e-book - thank you
I just finished an album where I mostly did LCR panning. And the problem I had is that certain tracks would not translate well - particularly the ones where the Left and Right were especially different from each other. For instance my phone speakers are actually in stereo but my case muffles the left speaker a bit. And in the car you sit on one side of the car or the other. And when summing to mono, the hard side information can seem quieter than the centered information.
So I ended up doing more 50/50 panning on certain tracks where the sides were especially different.
So Ear candy bits like shakers and tambourines stayed hard panned.
Guitars that were double tracked with a similar/equal-energy part on left and right were hard panned.
But on parts where a rhythm instrument like a guitar or piano on the left was doing something significantly different than the one on the right, I found it better to bring them in to 50%. It kept those instruments focussed and audible in every situation without overpowering the lead, ie: Properly Balanced. And while I technically got less width out of this, that was a compromise that was well worth it for the translatability.
To retain some width, I actually made sure the delay effects on those instruments were still 100% panned. Because if the subtle delay becomes more/less noticeable in different situations, it doesn't break the song or ruin the balance.
People are used to hearing great classic songs in mono all the time. So it ocurred to me that Wide does not equal good. There's no reason to force a mix to be wider if it sacrifices the quality/balance/translatability of the mix. Width should only be used to enhance.
Bro I just had to check this now music is coming out well 🚀🚀🚀💥💥💧
Good video. I am still learning but I had begun doing this ever since I started recording my own music and people have always liked my mixes. Hard left or right especially if the music is sparse sounds too empty. I usually do imcrements of 25, 50 and 75. Occasionally hard left and right but not often. I have found that moving cymbals to about a 10 - 25 offset opens up a lot of room.
Very effective! Thanks. We can also "move" a guitar for example, 50 % left during the verse, then hard left during the chorus, when the 2nd enters. It "brings life" to the mix I think.
personally I greatly dislike changing the pan in obvious parts. It's very unnatural and unpleasant sounding to me.
So interesting to find this video. I have been doing this, and with the same types of instruments. I didn't know that there was a real breakdown for this. Just years of trial and error, but this meathod is quite effective. Thank for making sense of this. Now I don't feel weird for this. LoL
Hopefully this works out for me, cause I've been struggling with this a lot, thank you very much!
Best of luck!
A good lesson Sir.. easy to understand... Thank You...
I already started doing this, because 100% panning left and right gave me so much emptiness in my mix...
Yep, that's what I find too!
I Find That When I Pan Hard Right, I Lose A Lot of Volume In The Sound, So Much So It’s Barely Audible.
I Use FL Studio As My DAW.
@@One_of_Many750 try using a third party plugin to pan. That might fix the problem
Sometimes I’ll automate the pan on leads to where it goes from slightly right to 1/4 left then 1/4 right etc. really fun stuff to play with.
Genius of Geniuses...THANK YOU! ☮️
I have always pictured the sweep of the panning knob as the upper half of a clock with 12 obviously being the center. Then I fill in all the spaces between 9 and three.
Good topic and well explained, thanks
If you were producing a 4/4 dance track (Hardstyle for example), which elements would you have panned Hard-Left and Hard Right?
Hullo. : ). How would you pan a sparse mix using LCR. What do you do when the instruments are not enough to go both ways - L/R? How would you pan delay and reverb tails to balance the mix?
Great tutorial, very helpful.. and I LOVE the song! Can I listen to it somewhere??
GREAT advice, as always. Thanks Rob. =)
Thanks for this tutorial, it helps me a lot
subbed!! you have great communication skills, i'm a fan. keep them videos comin!!
Awesome! Check back every Monday for new videos :)
Where can I find the track you used in the video? Sounds really chill, Stone Roses vibes
Thanks Rob, your tips on audio production are fantastic and has really helped me improved. By the way I was working on a acoustic track with little percussions recently and when I was finished it sounded really empty. I now know why :-)
Have a great day!
Happy to help! Haha, yep, give this a try, should help.
Track sounds a lot better now. Thanks once again!
1:39 not ALWAYS. For example, when a song starts, and it starts with a full 100% left panned guitar, and then the right panned guitar enters playing the same thing, it sounds really good.
Excellent video!
Great video! I've recently gone back to Shure 425s (very analytical) after using 535s for years and it feels like so many tracks are panned slightly to the right overall with complete dead air on the left. It's either that or I am going deaf in my left ear.
Great advice! My sound features a lot of lushness and layers, and my standard approach is to have pads, strings etc wide panned to L&R and no or v little C, with, say, perc or guitar licks at 50%, and then your drums and bass in the middle. Backing vox sound great hard L&R no C with the lead vox C. If you use a stereo enhancer on the hard L&R pads, your music will fill the room.
What got me thinking differently here was when you pointed out the fact that when something is exclusively in either L or R - in headphones or earbuds that only one ear is getting that information (as opposed to both in a stereo acoustic, real world listening environment); therefore, it seems that in headphones, the emotional response is being separated independently between hemispheres of the brain per L/R channels; then it begs the question 'does the brain's hemispheres distinguish separate tracks for their qualitative information whether it be mathematical or rhythmic elements vs. tracks that are more of a musical or melodic vibe to independently appease each hemisphere of the mind (math/art, logic/feeling, speaking/singing), and what exactly about that would change for the minds response (if any) when you switch over to the real world, stereo speakers in an acoustic environment scenario when those separate qualities are now being heard binaurally in both ears?).. & finally, If that logical extension for your point were in fact true, then would the same song when mixed panning for feel as you so eloquently demonstrated vs. a qualitatively methodological mix effectively sell itself better or worse to a sample audience of listeners?
Hey Rob, do you have a download for that pic?
Great demo thanks food for thought
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No problem, thanks Charles!
ROB SIR YOU ARE EXCELLANT TEACHER WOW TODAY PANNING EXPLAINED WOW SPECIALLY YOUR LINE DIAGRAM ON PANNING .THANX SIR
So so so helpful
I only work in a vintage genre where the guitar and the organ have the same importance but unfortunately not the same density, if I separate them too much, the mix gets unbalance, could you tell me what your process is to pan those kind of instruments ? Thanks
Very good advice..thnx ..
thanks for the insightful help
Thanks so much!
Thank you so much, you've set some foundation for me
Thanks A lot Man! This is really helpful!
that has help me a lot mixes sound a lot better . thank you .
Where does stereo width fit in all of this. I mix in Reason and ive noticed it has a width knob next to the panning knob. When panning hard left or right should i turn the width knob to 0 as well or?
I’m stuck been watching your videos for months. My biggest issue is making the mix for everything. In my 1 set of speakers everything sounds great.
Then in my others set the bass is bad even with eq!
Then in my car it’s close to both. Speakers good and back.
hey Rob- so (pardon me for being a bit thick...) do you always (initially) pan LRC and THEN apply your 50/50 rule of panning 1-2 in that specific space?
Thank you!
Thanks for the video.
Just what i needed
The sound guy at our church pans all vocals hard left and all instruments hard right. Our system is a LCR mains system. My question is if this is the right way to run our system? Also how would I run a guitar in stereo in a system like this?
good video!
Thanx for the vid ...iv learned something new ....
Thanks for the video. Please make a video on how to sound better in mono. Also my mix sounds good on normal monitors and headphones but while listening in Car speakers it sounds more Bassy and Boomy, How to correct that?
tnx 4 tips...nice one
I was wondering if there was a trick to avoid losing elements in mono? I struggle with my panned instruments as they tend to disappear or get too quiet in mono. But if I adjust the volume in mono, then they get too loud once back in stereo :/
how about back up vocals? how many layers of the same part is good to use? and how to pan them
Good work Rob :-D
Works like a shot. Thanks!
Instead of panning my guitar or piano or pluck sound can I use a stereo widener like e.g ozone 8 imager to spread it instead of panning or is it necessary to pan instruments
Great advice !!
Hi sir I keep on learning from u .I request you to make video on how to make sapce for all instruments.or cheat sheet
Song is a banger man wow
You know how master channel is always in the middle of full seperate and full merged. Will my mix be more wide if I make it full seperated on the master channel.
What is this song?! And is it released? It’s a really really good tune
Great video bro please answer this one,here is what beats me.When you pan perhaps 3 differnt instruments to the exact same spot 50% for example or hard left, dont they mask each other, i thought they should be on different percentages.
Is it to use stereo enhancing plugins as an alternative to widen a mix ?
sorry for my lack of years of experience but damn that session is intimidating lol..just to think you have to mix ALL THAT!! lol
what about mono compatibility and panning law issues ?
Good stuff .
Rob - I have a related question wrt harmonies... Do you use any sort of rule for volume balancing harmonies, e.g., Hi Mid Low? Should one be louder than another, or all level?
there's so many tracks in this mix
Ryan Redtree sometimes you have a di signal or a bus...sometimes the same of some other track with a little flanger for example!
Cool video. Thanks, bro! :)
No problem! Glad we could help.
How do you avoid hard panned LR (doubled) guitar from disappearing in mono?
Well explained
Great video! Learend a lot!
So glad we could help!
Now sir if you have some time than explain me panning vs stereo balance , why we should do both on a same track or multi mix
Please Can you help me get your How to EQ everything document as I can’t find it on your site
a.great help to me thank you so mutch
What about stero separation like as a plugin ? I stero sepeeate and pan . I try to get the melodies like wrapped around my kicks and snares . Percussive elements slightly around the melodies
Sure, it's best to use your panning to get most of the way there and then if you need to use stereo separation you can consider it.
thank you
Huge orchestration.
Great thanx !!
so whats the purpose for a wide effect plugin if i can just pan my instruments?
Could you acheive something similar with say Ozone Imager?
I rarely ever pan anything left or right. I use a pan effect sometimes with synths and instrument sounds, but never ever on kicks, snares, hi hats, etc. I think I used pan about 2 or 3 times ever. I'm looking more into this though, but my mixes do not sound bad at all.
Then you just have a good mono mix. The most important to my mixes or what I try to pursue is the wide stereo image. Love to go from mono to stereo...
thank u so much
.-. My issue is I can't get the instrument (Grandeur : Kontakt) to disable automatic panning. I'm not sure if it's just recorded this way to keep it realistic, which is neat I guess, however I realized if you play the lowest & highest note, the lowest plays about 25% louder in the left ear versus the right ear; playing the highest note will do the same in reverse, roughly 25% louder in the right ear versus the left ear. I'm sure it's intentional, but I want to do my own panning & I'm assuming that this might affect the panning process. Thing is, I feel like it might be stuck like that because of how the samples were possibly recorded?_?.... V_V life is hard
I only do top down volume balancing. My faders are either on 0 or completely down
is it normal at the best idea (no matter which genre) to trim every track?
Do some mix without even trim one single track?
LCR panning. I often use this except for small fill or atmospheric parts.
Great method!
Does anybody know the name of the song?? Is it released? Great video btw 🙏🙌