WHF 15 Tally Ho Capstan Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- This is the breakdown (literally) on the Tally Ho capstan Keith Rucker is working on.
As I explain, this is un-edited and lengthy as I didn't have time to trim and edit before now but you get a lot of what was posted by Keith Rucker from a different angle and it gives one the perspective of actually being there.
Along with this I take you to Mike Wiggins(Backyard Machineshop) to help get things ready to complete his roof for his shop.
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I am a big fan of all things Tally Ho and this was like a "behind the scenes" video of what it really takes to get this job done. Very happy to see you posted this. Rock on.
The tally ho episode where they cast those bronze brackets along the hull is incredible
There is so much expertise coming to light from Leo's boat rebuild. The capstan, if you guys will excuse the joke, is a great spin-off from the main project. Best wishes from London UK.
As a regular viewer of Keith's channel, it was interesting to get a different perspective of the disassembly of the cap stand. Plus, it's nice to see "The band is getting back together" again.
It is a "capstan" winch, not a "cap stand." A capstan is a wich mechanism used in conjunction with ropes or chains to move heavy weights. The difference between a capstan and a windlass is a capstan has a vertical axis and a windlass has a horizontal axis.
It's one word...Capstan
Quadruple tough!
@@buckhorncorteznow we got a cap stand and a witch 🧙♀️ wonder what Leo got himself into ?
Good morning Clark. Recasting the top to that capstan should be a great couple of videos. Glad MIke is doing well and eventually coming back. Good luck.
I’ve followed the Tally ho Restoration since the beginning and now I’m hooked on these guys as well but still cannot understand why they don’t soak the living (expletive) out of everything before they attempt to free things up, i use heat as well but everyone has their own method !
These guys are amazingly talented for sure 👍🏻
It would have been smart to use electrolysis and soda ash and soak it for 2-4 weeks instead of destroying parts
Is this the Tally ho from the Sampson boat company channel that Leo is restoring?
I am a firm believer in penetrating oil, every time one of my friends tells me about a project on their car they are getting ready to start, I tell them start soaking it now. When you are in business you always have the luxury of time.
I’d have lowered that winch into 30 qallons of paraffin and left it for a month, given the choice !
I’m sure they soaked it pretty well first, it’s just that watching a part soak in oil isn’t exactly great cinema
Thanks, Clarke. Nice to see you, Josie! Keep on healing up. And Dollar, too - stay out of the water, dog. You'll just get too smelly for pats and cuddles. I follow you, Keith and Tally Ho (from the start) and it's cool to see folks helping each other out. Really Amish, like you mentioned. And nice to meet you, Mr Wiggens - my grandmother was a Wiggens (possibly Wiggins, ex England, I'm Kiwi). Cheers, Clarke.
Nice to see you again, Mike, even if just on a video. And you, too, Josie!
Hey rusty, can't wait to see you again!!!
I was wondering what happened to Mike Wiggins. You guys are the crew I am going to get when i need something busted. Thanks for the video keep on keeping on.
I am impressed by the patience of the metal workers attempting to free up the various parts of the anchor hoist.
When you said this was the unedited footage I thought there would have been a lot more swearing especially when Keith bent the bolt on his puller!
Good to see Mike; I wondered about him. Thanks for the video and update on Mike. Greg
Thank you so much for helping Tally HO and Leo.
Oh Goody Goody! I saw Keith's vid the other day. Yeah, that old thing is a challenge! Don't worry about the long vid, we know how to skip ahead... 😁
That’s one Hell of a Covered Bridge… At first glance I took the Plank Pegging for Bolts.
Beautiful Workmanship.
I am glad that you were able to include inside and outside sequences of the resyored covered bridge.
.. good to get your input on the Capstan .. thanks for taking the time to comment/update your perspective and professional approach ..
Kieth’s video on this was great and I like this one as well. This uncut footage really shows how much this capstan fought you two.
It was a pleasure to watch you guys work it reminded me of when I was a young man in my fathers shop who was a master blacksmith
Great work. Glad to see you guys working together...maybe the three of you COULD do some joing projects. 1 for the planning, 2 to get ready separately and 3 to put it all together. I'd watch that...thanks for taking time to make the video...
Love the sign.
Oh boy, I'm the first person to LIKE one of your videos, LOOKING FORWARD TO IT FOR A WHILE.. I still think a few days in ABOM's EVAPORUST Tank would have been most prudent for this Capstan..?.? Dollar was about 4 Seconds from DIVING IN, good catch Clark.! 53:30...
Forget politics, you guys are making America better, one job at a time. I'm impressed!
Great guys doin great work, I don't mind the long form videos so much. Thanks for video
Wiggins, good to see you. Now get back to filming your build of the building. Brian Bloc created a channel following just on the building. You had good stuff in your content.. miss ya.
Good to see Mike. He is a talented guy.
You got over to Keith's shop at exactly the right time. He did need some help this time!
I just sent parts to Windy Hill for an antique Greenhouse. Very genuine and talented craftsman.
By the time this thing is rebuilt, Leo will have to rebuild Tally Ho again
Thanks! No editing was needed. This showed us how hard it was to do.
So many people who have never worked with their hands do not get how
much time and sweat is involved in getting real things done.
My takeaway from this is when this is installed on Tallyho and they are at sea, a swabby should be assigned to dismantle and flush with fresh water then grease this up at least once a month.
Been in the same predicament . An old man told me to heat it up and use wax on it. Works great.
Here's a tip for you guys to make getting stuck and rusted metal parts separated much easier.
Try an air hammer with a long and dull chisel bit in it to drive the pieces apart. (Chisel bit is kept dull or made dull because you aren't try to cut with it but drive with it)
An air hammer with a variable trigger is a must and a bit of finesse is needed. Start easy and work it in harder until the part starts moving.
You won't believe how great it works until you try it.
Yes! Vibration is the key. Also the shock waves will get the penetrating oil creeping in the tight places.
Yeah, I was thinking "Eric O from South Main Auto would use "Big Nasty" and have that thing apart in no time". He is a salt belt magician. Heat it, Beat it, Repeat it.
Great work as always 👏👏
Well say one thing for ya. You sure are good at breaking things.
Horrible approach, no consideration to it's rare, priceless, value. Just throw it under the break press and BREAK IT !!!
Over applying the heat will expand everything, making removal more difficult.
This here's the same damn thing I just watched on another channel! Jeesh!
I have come on board as I like your style and willingness to help other people historic and interesting projects . Excellent , thanks .
I watched Keith's channel , and subbed his channel too , after seeing him helping out with Tally Ho . Maybe Tally Ho will come home one day and I will be able to visit in Bristol docks , UK , which has a certain maritime reputation ; some of it quite good and some regrettable looking back in time . ATB and keep erecting stuff , lol .
Interesting both times, thanks dude!
I saw that video and RUclips was intelligent enough to recommend the follow-up portion on your channel. Love the video and I have subscribed partner!!
Leo sent me. Thanks for the work and your time. Subscribe and notify has been pushed.
Fightin' the good fight with all it's might! Boys, that was stubborn for sure!
GOOD TO KNOW HES OK, I'VE ASKED SEVERAL OTHERS ABOUT HIM, TAKE CARE
I'm an old machinist, this is probably not going to end well for fixing this capstan.
Repairing this one is not possible at all, it is worn and rusted away beyond repair.
If you wanted to remake it , you could with time and money.
It will need reverse engineering, trial and error, sweat, tears, patience, and support from everyone here financially to make a new replica. This is your only option, unless you upgrade to a new non original model.
Good luck, I will be watching you guys. Doing things like this are what Machinists are born to do, the impossible !!
This capstan sure is getting around!
Heh. While Keith was posting his planer restoration videos, I saw some drone footage of an abandoned factory, I think in Argentia or Chile, and for a few brief frames, there was in the middle of the warehouse the same model planer, that I’d never have know what it was without Keiths’ videos.
So nice to have a good shop doggo watching over the humans.
Great work guys. Love the workshop sign...NO STUPID PEOPLE BEYOND THIS POINT 😄
I saw Keith's video some while back, it's interesting to see some unedited video, i kinda like it this way.
Unedited video like this has a benefit that maybe some folks don't consider: In a time of edited for content video and a society of short attention span viewers, it's easy to be ignorant of just how much actual time and effort goes into projects like this. If we only had the typical youtube video to go by, everyone would be led to believe they can knock out complicated projects with just a few dollars and hours with no previous experience in any trade because of 'hacks and tricks' that can save them from experience and wisdom that only comes with trial and error.
Love this!
Are you going to cast a new capstan top for Tally Ho? It would make a great video.
It certainly looks like it👍
@@windyhillfoundry5940have you cast a new Capstan for Tally Ho yet?
New sub here for you my friend. I have followed Tally Ho refit, restoration. Drop by one day when you can. I cast pure silver for the bullion stackers and collectors. I am no stranger in the world of sand casting. Sure is a stubborn push eh. For situations like this I found a product called "Honey-Goo." It loves rust and is easily drawn to heated anything's. It is available in spray or liquid, I keep both. Great post on just how tough it is ro get some married parts apart eh. I see you need an 8 lb and a 10 lb short handled hammers. A doubling of a 4 lb hammer on the shaft struck with te 10 lb works wonderfully. I have a number of years as a mobile service and machinist has found me a bunch of ways to a logging show. Just get em going now whenever it is possible as the craziest of minor things can shut down a logging show.
As a subscriber to all three, the nice thing about Tally Ho, Vintage Machinery and Windy Hill Foundry, quite apart from the interesting work they do, is seeing how Leo, Keith and Clarke work in together to sort this out. The mix of skills, the equipment and facilities available, shared around to solve some problems, make things etc. is first-rate. I'm glad these are still alive and kicking in the United States, as they seem to be disappearing all too quickly in the modern world. I think I'd be hard-put to find any thing similar in the UK nowadays.
Just noticed the "no stupid people " sign. Should add at the bottom:
"They tend to leave in an ambulance with 3rd degree burns!"
Stupid people tie their dog to the trailer hitch oof their truck.
For a layman; can anyone comment on how this thing was originally assembled... and beyond the actual physical destruction as demonstrated... now with hindsight, was there any non-invasive way to disassemble this thing? Now we have hindsight; could we find or recover a similar/vintage Capstan and do something different to disassemble it without torching-it, he-manning-it, and hulk-suh-mashing it apart? I love this style of troubleshooting, no disrespect to anyone, I do it myself as well. That whole Non-Destructive-Testing Science would have been happy to X-Ray this thing and show the guts... would that have even helped? Genuinely curious. Cheers.
Soaking it for two weeks in a 55 gal drum in WD 40 it would of been worth a try , they do this kind of work so I guess they knew this was the only way
Thanks Clarke
Looking forward to seeing this!
At the 23:25 mark of this video, I would like to offer an idea! Something I've use when separating a hub from a tapered shaft.... With the 3 jaw puller in place and applying tension, apply heat... THEN take 2 sledge hammers and simultaneously hit opposite sides (in your case the Hub, in my case, I hit the shaft). The vibration breaks the grip of the fouled joint. Thanks for sharing... MIke.
Using two hammers in opposition works have worked on HGVs and Coaches for many years. After having cleaned all parts that have to slide over each other with a wire brush/ rotary wire brush, apply freeing oil and using a puller / hydraulic puller, put the joint you want to part under strain apply heat stand clear. If Not loosening tap with two hammers in opposition. My Foreman was trying to free a ball joint on a steering arm on a coach. “A long bar with two ball joints so reasonably heavy”, I was in the working gallery under the coach “Pit” having just completed greasing everything. He had been bashing for five minutes no result, I said look use two big hammers give me your one and I grabbed mine and did the two hammer strike from both sides “ You should really use a ball joint splitter tool, we did not have one”. We watched as the ball joint popped its taper, slid out and swung down right into the painful part of his knee “ he was sitting cross legged on the side of the pit” tears ran from his eyes, I had to drag him from under the coach as it was to painful and he could not uncross his legs. Nothing was damaged just painful five minutes later he was up and about, as an apprentice I got paid back in kind! 😢 That was 46 years ago, makes me still smile now. 😂. When working with press keep well clear, wear eye protection, bearing races can split exploding ball bearings everywhere. A friend had a ball bearing race explode due to too much pressure, the race came apart and ball bearing shattered glass and one punctured a door skin on a brand new car, they had a fifty ton press and an Idiot was using it. Do not use piston pins/gudgeon pins/wrist pins as a press tool, they have a soft core and hard exterior under press loads they can explode the hardened surface off. I know someone it happened to, parts went through overalls and into chest others into his face luckily missing eyes. Use soft Iron press tools keep them vertical brace everything correctly, adjust press do not stack the tools, take your time and wear safety glasses. Never had a problem if you do that, a small tap with a hammer sends high frequency vibration through unit and bang it parts. Heat with vibration coupled with load from press works. Size of hammer counts, one shock from a big hammer could work where multiple hits with small one just damages components.
Well I think they are doing a very nice job. It’s easy to be a keyboard critic when you have never had grease on your hands.
Well, looking to the profile of those two gears I'm pretty sure the process should have been inverted: first pull up the cilinder; then extract the cranks. It's pretty obvius they were designed to stay firm and steady on the main gear and to do so they have a double profile to keep them on track. Trying to get them off while they are in their position is butchery. Good design by the way.
You had me at the “NO STUPID PEOPLE” sign.
Stupid people tie their dog to the trailer hitch of their truck.
Tell Mike Wiggins that us You Tubers miss him.
Hope all is well with you. End of July now, is there any update on Leo's capstan?
It might be finished by 2030, with a bit of luck.
Reminds me of knocking out B-52 strut bushings... fun times
Now it would be nice to have a machine level Xray that shows the internal fittings.
Kinda miss Mike Wiggins. Been quite a while since his last video - he was just setting up to clear foundations for that building of his on his last one. LIFE happens, right? No - it ain't Mary J. Ya got a peach - maybe Cling? There sure was a lot of heating and very little penetrating oil... I would have gotten a piece of 4X4 and a 15 lb sledge or some such. Then baby back ribs and barbecue sauce or .. Some marshmallows graham crackers and Hershey's...
For just heating up things like that, you should consider switching to oxy-propane instead of using oxy-acetylene... It's cheaper and you can get a refill at any place that sells the BBQ grill refills / exchanges...
and the new Channels name will be: The Three Erectors - sounds like a Steve Martin Movie
Hard work, well done 😊👍🏻👍🏻
I wonder if it was all dumped in an electrolytic process to clean it up. You dump the unit in an electrolyte and apply 12 volts from a car charger. One wire negative connects to item you want cleaning and the plus wire connects to some sacrificial metal immersed in the electrolyte. Leave it going for hours and let gases vent. ( Do not do in a confined space ) I did this to a rusty vice, I did it twice after the first day and night, I changed the electrolyte and cleaned the sacrificial plates loosened wired brushed of the loose material and gave it another shot. I cleaned up fine and needed a very light wire brushing to remove light black coating. Apparently if you use Distilled water and washing SODA to make the Electrolyte that does not happen. I used plain tap water and washing SODA. It is not a fast process but not arduous and no damage. It cleaned it all back to raw metal. Light wire brushing and painted. You can see more on the web. You guys got there and it’s going to be great job well done.
Man what a tough one...
With that manual capstan, Leo will not be able to do any solo sailing simply because it will take more than one man to work the capstan to lift the anchor. I wonder if he has considered that. The possibility of being stuck alone in some isolated place, unable to lift the anchor, is not something that should be ignored.
It could be just as dicey leaving a dock or mooring in foul conditions. The thing could certainly be crank-operated by one (fit) person, & Leo is planning to motorize it.
@@frederickstibbert7389
Exactly. Manually hauling up the anchor with no one at the helm? Where did you hear that Leo is going to motorize it? If that is true then why not just install an electric one? The thing is an eyesore and inefficient and weighs a ton. Trying to drive it with an electric motor? You would need a motor the size of a house to drive it. I can understand having it as an auxiliary capstan in case the electric one breaks.
43:19 LOL the "YAWOLING DOG" has spoken!😋
Im surprised the unit wasn't power washed first so you could see what was going on.
I am pretty sure the best route on that capstan is to machine a part that can make the capstan work, and cast a cover that looks right. thats a lot of work trying to cast that cover assy.
That top probably would have come right off if you put an air chisel on the stud and pulled you know
Thanks for sharing
Keith I think you would be surprised at how well a air impact gun would have helped with some penatrating oil
It looks to me like you are lucky with Dollar, she at least swims in lakes and rivers, ours won’t swim in the sea or fresh water, but if you walk past a brackish muddy swampy bit on the side of the tidal mud flats, she’s in like Flynn!
Bloody swamp dawg!
Thanks Clark...
I have had luck tapping down on the puller screw while it is under tension.
Man, you two are making me nervous driving screwdrivers directly at each other's hands... One little slip is going to make for a really bad day.
that thing fought ya'll like nothin ive seen
16:03 Those pinions may prefer to go up first. The capped pinion teeth look like they're trapped on the ring gear teeth.
Gidday mate I’m here via Leo and the team at Tally Ho. Really enjoying you guys do your skilled work all the way from NZ.
“We go to each others houses and erected things. That didn’t sound right” 🤣🤣
Humour makes the work go so much better…
Mrs Richards: "I paid for a room with a view !"
Basil: (pointing to the lovely view) "That is Torquay, Madam ."
Mrs Richards: "It's not good enough!"
Basil: "May I ask what you were expecting to see out of a Torquay hotel bedroom window ? Sydney Opera House, perhaps? the Hanging Gardens of Babylon? Herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically past?..."
Mrs Richards: "Don't be silly! I expect to be able to see the sea!"
Basil: "You can see the sea, it's over there between the land and the sky."
Mrs Richards: "I'm not satisfied. But I shall stay. But I expect a reduction."
Basil: "Why?! Because Krakatoa's not erupting at the moment ?"
Just to let you know we're dying to hear more about this project, will you be casting a replacement cap?
I believe so, waiting on the pattern and then we will knock it out 👍
When you guys are tapping things with a hammer. Always remember the fitters lament. If in doubt use a hammer , the bigger the doubt the bigger the hammer.
Your problem is that the blowpipe has not enough power to heat up the hub fast enough . When You heat up this slow , the shaft heats up to the same temperature and expands exactly the same ! I think , it is better to bring just a small vertical stripe to incandescent and cool the shaft !
How would i get a cad model to you to verify that it's good before I would send it to you as a 3d print I'm redesigning parts for a 1888 frick sawmill I will be using it for lumber for the horse equipment shop(building and the equipment).I am the guy who was asking questions about getting castings for horse equipment reproduction during one of your live streams my hopeful intentions are to start with just carriage restoration (I'm even taking Steven stutzman of comunity carriage to northern ohio for his bike/carriage shop to get supplies and have him introduce me to the horse equipment part suppliers up north) and expand from there to reproduction and restoration of just about everything animal powered
Yeah, definitely not enough swearing for that job. It warranted some good cussin’!
Looked like he was scared to spray that was-40 lol. Really cool video though. I’ve been watching the rebuild of tally hoe for a year or two now haha
What is the ETA for the final video on this Capstan Part 2, or more, now that the pattern has been made?
unbelievable
If at first it doesn’t move . FORCE it!! Lol since the top already had a chunk broke out I don’t feel too bad about it’s fate.
Good dog!
Nooo! Free that black dog! My black dog died in January, I miss him.
I kept shouting at the screen that the web on the bevel gears were hanging up on the tooth of the circular gear, but I guess you guys couldn't hear me.
Dollar is a riot. Water dog needs water.
So I imagine the side shafts would have had to come out first in order to lift the cap off without breaking. I wonder how that would have been expected to be done on a unit that had not experienced so much corrosion.
Those side shafts are in the cap that broke.
Put the side shafts in the cap and slide the assembly on the shaft, pretty simple construction.
In addition to the heat applied, why didn't you thread a nut onto that shaft to protect the threads and then hit it with a 25 pounder ?