To Flip or Not To Flip?
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- Опубликовано: 29 янв 2023
- Why would a filmmaker flip a shot? Does it actually improve a scene, or is it better to leave it alone? Let's look at La La Land as an example and find out.
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gotta be honest, i 100% prefer the film's edit. flipping it back to "normal" physically moves her across the screen wayyyy too much. in their version, since she's almost perfectly framed in the flip, 99% of people would never even think about it. not worth the re-shoot with how good of a take it is (Stone is seemingly perfect there), and how closely the flip just happens to frame her identically
I agree! For me the "unflipped" version, gives the impression that she's already on her way out of the frame (ie. agreeing to meet him for a coffee would imply a change of plans, which is friction) whereas the flipped version indicates that she's resting on one leg - she'd have to move her weight to the other leg before she even crosses the center of the frame on her way out. The weight on the back-leg, also carries a bit of curiosity ("what am I going to hear now?") as opposed to "avoidance/movement" for the not-flipped version - this is a frame where she's still lingering about and not running away.
Completely agree! Also because the building in the background seems to disappear in the unflipped shot.
Plus, even if the average person couldn't tell you what's wrong with the unflipped shot, it will still feel wrong and jarring. The funny thing is this is the first time I've heard anyone talk about this shot being flipped, so it's not like they noticed anyway.
I honestly agree. The original edit is better lol
Original edit is definitely better.
I 100% disagree when he says that only film enthusiasts will notice the line cross and normal audiences will notice the flip. It's the opposite. The line cross is immediately jarring, you might not know why, but it looks very weird. The flip will only be noticed by people who, for some reason, are paying too much attention to the purse.
I think the flipped shot is better. The audience is looking at the face, not the body, so the face is what needs to stay lined up and oriented properly. And I don't think the shot lasts long enough for most audiences to notice much besides the face.
Maybe that's why I prefer the non-flipped version; I'm ND and I don't look at the eyes so much, so I find it slightly dizzying that the background has flipped and the purse is on the wrong shoulder in the mirrored version.
My wife often notices tiny little details that change from one shot to another. And things like this often stands out to her.
My first student film I had to flip a shot. The main character is carrying a bag of groceries and then suddenly in one shot the groceries are on the wrong side, and then in the next shot they go back to the correct side. When it was screened I was trembling in terror that the professor would notice and call me out on it. Never happened. Nobody noticed. I was actually kinda disappointed, so I pointed it out myself during the debrief after the screening. We rewatched it, and _still_ nobody noticed!
That's a great story
your own worst critic! nice to reinforce the fact that most people simply do not pay any attention to us or what we do!
@@jamesz9635 Or, the _story_ of my (2 minute long silent movie) student film was just so AMAZINGLY compelling that the audience couldn't focus on anything else!
;-)
That's really cool. It's like a behind-the-scenes type thing. Like how artists know about all the work that went into their paintings, but nobody really knows unless they are also an artist. We're like how would girl knows everything about makeup but a guy doesn't even realize she's wearing any. Just because they simply don't have that knowledge.
On an episode of LOST, they shot in Hawaii, but a scene was set in Australia. Instead of procuring vehicles with steering wheels on the right side, they manufactured signs that were flipped. Then, when they flipped it in post, everything looked normal, and the signs were legible. Seems like a roundabout way to me, but I don't know how hard it is to transport a car overseas.
No matter how you approach it, manufacturing a few mirrored signs is always going to be easier, cheaper, and faster than importing even one car.
@@dgwdgw yeah, I've seen it done. The main character on The Strain drove one around New York, but that's different than Hawaii, which is probably too isolated. The vehicle they used may have already been in Idaho, or something, and they just drove it East.
This is great, never noticed this when watching the movie.
The choice to film Sebastian stopping from behind also serves the story. We feel his shock physically, as we have to stop with him, because otherwise the camera would just... hit him. It also has the advantage of hiding his face, adding suspense to the scene. How is he going to react? How would we react if we were him? We then get the satisfaction of seeing him react and be surprised by his performance.
I can see why they chose this angle, it really serves the story there!
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I feel that, in these kinds of scenarios, it's about holding the audience in the moment. What's going to feel the least weird? What not interrupt the audience's subconscious and say "hey, there's something wrong here". And it usually has to do with where the eyes go.
As someone who studied film and is a voice actor, this channel is just amazing. I loved your prior videos and this one is no different. Please keep up the great work!
Wow, the ability to explain and literally show you everything is a gift. He really does know what he is talking about.
This is a fantastic video essay -- a lot of great touches in the edit/motion graphics etc. I loved 7:08. I do prefer the original cut to yours though and that's where the essay veers into a territory i really don't like...the 'here's how *I* would've done it' lane. I've seen La La Land 4 times and never noticed the flip but maybe that's just me. Regardless this is well researched, written and edited, congrats and nicely done.
Man, I have inhaled every film related video essay on this site for a decade now, I didn't think there was anything new under the sun for me when it came to topics, but you've proved me wrong yet again with another singularly unique video
I kind of liked the flip because it subtly adds to the sensation of the conversation being ‘flipped’ on Mia’s character, knocking her a little off balance
I have only one problem with this channel: there are not enough videos here. I love your essays, they are so engaging. I can only imagine how much work it takes to make such high quality content, but i sincerely hope to see more and more. Keep it up :)
Btw I love the subtitles! That way I can learn English while discovering new point of view on watching movies
This is one of the best RUclips videos I've seen about single edit, but also the best video I've seen on film-editing as a whole. You walked through how a seemingly simple and inconsequential change in the editing process has a butterfly effect that adds to the narrative story. Great work and very nice video!
I love that you explained the 180 degree rule, it's one of the most important yet overlooked principles in filmmaking! Regarding the shot, I've changed my mind 3 times while watching this video over and over again 😂....I think that the building is what's bothering me the most
Seeing this while editing a project is a mind-boggling thing to experience. I love you
One additional advantage to flipping is that the background actually resembles the original background more when flipped.
I think that there’s maybe a corner where they shot the closeup, but we never see this corner in the other shots, so the unflipped version’s background would feel unexpected. Flipping it makes it look like we’re looking at the original building still.
It's not just the corner. The building on one side of the alley has a completely different facade than the one on the other side. The one on her side, as they are walking, has these vertical fins running down it. If they didn't flip the shot it would seem as if the building had jumped back and forth.
Of course, we also never the see the truck with the cones around it in any other shot, which does strongly suggest that this may be from a re-shoot.
@@andyid7440 That truck suddenly appearing bothered me a lot. But I think it's not a re-shoot. At 1:49 you can see they are walking towards the corner. There is no truck in that alley. They stop on the corner. The truck must be in the next alley on the right. Once I realised that, the unflipped shot at 5:24 started making much more sense. In the flipped version, the track seems to suddenly appear where it had not been, in the main alley. I find that really confusing and prefer the unflipped shot.
On the other hand, I think the flipping might have also happened for that reason - they shot on a corner, perhaps accidentally. That angle was never shown in a wider shot and the building jumping from one side of Emma to the other may be confusing too.
Great video, loved the editing in this. Being honest though, I wouldn't consider flipping the shot a mess. I hadn't even noticed it right until now. Just like you said, making the flip was a cheap, practical solution; they got away with it pretty much undetected.
I'm so glad my algorithm led me to this video.
You're that sub that if they upload once a year I feel blessed. Love your analysis and especially the way you write your scripts. You always have something to say and it never feels like you made a video for the sake of content. Keep up the good work!
I always wonder why they did this in Harry Potter with the scar on his head changing sides every few scenes
I find the film's edit smooth and unobtrusive. I never noticed it before
not sure why but I do prefer the flipped version. looks more natural even though it's not. and they do tend to overcomplicate things, definitely. nice content!
I saw La La Land like 7 times and i never noticed this 😅
The shot in La La Land could also have been flipped to stress the disconnect between the two characters over Jazz.... Seems more probable that it was due to technical reasons, but I like the thought :)
There's also something that just feels "wrong" about her hair part in the flipped version. I thought this was an artistic choice about how saying she hates jazz "made her look uglier" to Gosling's character.
hahaha that's an interesting take
i loved this. i prefer the flipped and honestly never noticed it before.
The same thing happens in Spider-Man (2002) during the unity day festival when Peter’s spider sense is going off the whole shot is flipped and it always bugged me
This is one of the most underrated channels on RUclips. Keep up the great work!
The unflip puts an RV in front of them that wasn’t there in their previous shot. I could forget there is no RV behind them because we’re now a little bit away from the shot showing behind them. I go with flip.
There are so many video essay film guys out there these days that I'm almost reluctant to click on a recommended video for fear of being met with yet another mediocre analysis. This, however, was a very well made video! Thank you :)
that house dream sequence is so good, such a good show
3:26 lmao always good to see Partners show up.
In Casino there is one close up where the camera visibly shakes, but I never noticed in over 20 viewings. I found out in an article. I was too engrossed in De Niro's performance to noticed and I'm sure Scorcese knee that that take was too powerful to cut or retake. So glad he kept it.
TL DR. The performance matters WAY more than continuity.
i love, love, love this video essay! i'm not a professional editor, i love making fan edits in my free time out of fun and i have to say i almost always notice when there is something "off" with the shot and it's flipped; there are actually many flipped shots in the lord of the rings, but for some of them i assume it was a conscious choice on the filmmakers' part; for example, in the council of elrond scene, when the characters are looking at the one ring, many of their faces are flipped, but that makes so much sense to me beacuse the ring is supposed to mess with your head and create a distorted image not only of yourself but of the world
so, as you said, there are many reasons why editors could choose to flip a shot
i really enjoyed watching this, great work!
Flipping feels generale Better for me. I hardly ever notice when objects move in between frame, even After ive been made to notice, and It never feels jarring at all for some reason. However a cute that breaks the 180 rule Always feels more jarring
Unflippingbelievable! I never would have noticed most of these!!
Wow, I don't think I've realized how many flipped shots I've seen before and never batted an eye. I think the decision to go with the flipped shot was right.
My theory, the flip happens because at that point in time the story’s universe splits into two timelines. One “flipped” timeline where Mia goes with Sebastian and says nothing and from there the sequences in the *spoilers* ending imagination/dream sequence take place where they end up together and living in Paris, versus I flipped where Mia says she’s busy and they go their separate ways ending up apart like how the “real” story goes.
So I’m pro flip.
5:50 - 6:10 I just had to like the video. Well done
great to see another Jesse Tribble drop 🙏
I watch all your videos but this type of content specifically just hits. I rewatch the 180 degree rule video all the time. As someone who isn’t a filmmaker, learning about the language of cinematography is fascinating and I love noticing things in shows or movies that I’ve learned from these videos. Very few things compare to the hit of dopamine I get every time I see a dolly zoom and I have to stop myself from explaining the mechanics of it to whoever I’m watching with
I'm with you in preferring the unflip version. I think that the audience has been prepared from the previous shots to understand the change from back to front, and, also, that accentuates the contrast in their disagreement: he stops in the back shot, she stares in wonder from the front, holding that tension between their opposing directions.
Maybe a good middle ground for that shot would have been to flip the image then CGI the strap to the other side. Would be a fairly straightforward thing to change (cost less than a reshoot), and would have made the mirroring almost imperceptible.
....I've seen CGI used for much more mundane things than this.
I noticed all these flips the first time I watched La La Land. Can’t believe someone made a whole video on it, amazing!
YES, finally another video. keep up the great work :D
Every video you release is just amazing
Great deconstruction! Loved how much simple blocking told a more effective story.
i've seen la la land about 50 or 60 times and maybe i'm just a bad movie watcher but i've literally never noticed the bag moving from one side to another
I really enjoyed this and I don't know much about filmmaking at all, thank you :)
Love your Videos so much, thank you for these insights!
Always nice to see a new video of yours Jesse
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I enjoy your work very much. Thank you!
What a fantastic insight!
One of the best vids I’ve seen in a while!
I always knew there was something weird about that shot and it's finally answered
Good job! One more subscriber 🙌🏻
The un-flipped version is so jarring. It definitely feels like some teleportation is going on.
Now i have to watch La la land again
briliant brilliant essay!
loved this video Jesse! U got a new subscriber!
Great video as always!
At first Amazing Video!!! I say something, maybe very provocative: Anyone who has never flipped a shot, has never been a real editor!
This was a very well edited video!
I think the flip is fantastic, and works on a thematic level as well. After Sebastian stops walking in response to Mia saying "I hate jazz", his perspective of her changes - it flips. He no longer views her the same way; something is backwards. This is what (at least indirectly) I think the flip helps get across. Hating jazz is a deal-breaker for Sebastian, so this can almost be seen as the first point at which they start to clash with each other. I could drone on for a while, but you get the point
incredible break down! thank you
"Screen direction is preserved... or is it?"
*hard cut to a White Claw ad*
Something about the timing there really made me laugh.
Quality video. It's a great example of the minute yet critical decisions an editor needs to make.
Come back man, you're videos are awesome 👌👌
This is an incredibly made video to illustrate a point. That said, I 100% would take the flipped version everytime. Once I saw the unflipped version it was so jarring that I immediately understood why they flip scenes to preserve flow.
I like that this video is about explaining and not blaming.
This video is brilliant but to be honest I have seen la la land a million times and I never noticed the flipped shot but I catched the wig the first watch 😂
I hope you do more movies videos. Scene analysis, reviews, whatever you can up with. Ive seen your Broken Dreams. It was honest, it was brilliant. I like your editing and your voice is enjoyable for movie essays. I think you should consider it, if its something you enjoy and have time for it.
Great movie and great video!
Amazing!
crossing the line should be rarest thing off all time. 99.99999% of the time filmmakers should stay on one side of the line. I know lots of filmmakers hate RULES but there have to be at least a few rules and i think this should be one of them.
Fun fact also in the movie whiplash in the bar scene Miles Teller scars where on the other side of his neck
1:06 I was not ready to see a flipped Ryan Gosling. Man looks strange
I agree with their choice
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you know who else is a great editor? you, when editing the whiplash clip
Hero video.
This was dope 🤩
Was rewatching the Mandalorian in prep for season 3 and noticed a flipped shot in episode 1 with his shinny new shoulder armour on the wrong side when trying to ride the blerg.
Great video, I never thought about any of this! I like their version better, though.
I noticed that the artful and competent crossings of the 180 rule you showed were both cuts to close ups
Really enjoyed the vid
Very interesting !
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That’s so funny, I notice this stuff all the time and just assume it’s a mistake. It never seems to take me out of the movie so I just figure it’s not worth fixing if it’s noticed by the editor.
Where did that truck and the traffic cones come from? You can’t see them in either of previous shots, so both the flipped and non-flipped versions look wrong. Without the flip, the cut is from a wide shot to a close-up from a similar angle, but the background jarringly changes as a truck and a bunch of traffic cones magically appear. With the flip, there is still a discontinuity, but it’s only noticeable if you remember that three seconds earlier the truck wasn’t there; it’s not as jarring.
Supposedly, when they shot the view from the back, they got up to Emma Stone's "Nothing" ; we could also think outside the box and consider : what if they didn't switch to a close up view but kept the back view until the end of the scene ?
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The edit has to convey the right emotion for that moment in the scene. If the edit is confusing (which your version is) the audience can't concentrate on the emotion but instead they are taken out of it. Your edit is "right", but in the least filmic way possible. If the audience notices the surroundings of the actors face instead of the acting it's bad. If the audience notices the edit instead of the acting (= your version) it's bad. If flipping is the problem you actually have a much bigger problem. In conclusion: I think you are the one overanalyzing and the filmmakers likely made a quick and easy decision because they know what's important.
6:19 Interlinked.
people look at eyes. always.
I don't think I ever would have noticed the flip, because as long as everything flows and *feels* right, it'll work. I think it's gotta be a prioritisation of what's best for the story rather than a technicality that'll only go noticed by a few looking for it. Sometimes these technicalities stick out more, calling for drastic actions like a reshoot, but otherwise these little tricks work for me, as long as the illusion remains intact.