@@Jam0kid”not only do we make it clear on the reddit.” The whole team kill/chaos divers/“they removed 2 magazines from my gun! It’s over!!” Crowd literally is only exists on reddit, and wouldn’t exist had reddit never been there.
As a chaosdiver. Having our intentions be explained is a nice thing to happen. I ran into a self-proclaimed "chaosdiver" on the terminid front while I was completing a personal objective. Tried to kill me but i got to him first and then he left. I just continued with my business.
As someone who probably falls on the loyalist side, I've actually fought alongside quite a few chaosdivers and they're really chill people. If I meet one doing a major order, I'll 100% be down to drop where they want, especially if it means I get to fight the bots. So glad this video exists to clear up the misunderstandings
Thank you for saying so. Loyalist or not, we're all playing the same game and are a team. Playing with an actual Chaosdiver is fun, because we're really chatty; lots of callouts, lots of suggested tactics, inquisitive like "How are you on ammo, need a call in?" or "Heads up because we were in a scuffle, your turrets are off cooldown now". I personally drop into game in super heavy EOD kit, bring orbital smoke, ballistic shield or match someone's support pack so I can team reload them. Nobody goes out of their way to really do that and it feels good having someone literally have your back- Making YOU shine.
@Jam0kid That's a really good setup, I like to run the orbital rail, the commando, emancipator, and shield. (Though I've been trying to switch it up a little more for a bit more versatility.) But I like running anti armor and demolition. If it's big, ugly, or important to the bad guys, just sick me on it. XD Edit: for armor I personally like Democracy protects cause I can get away with some REALLY stupid or awesome shit. But yeah, it's woefully underrated to use the co-op weapons as co-op weapons. It's a lot of fun if you can get the flow going. I try, but I fumble and have to go shock trooper mode. Lmao, what armor do you run?
@@mitchellbarton7915 Marshmallow suit sometimes, I'm normally rolling heavy on the bot front so I bring something with explosive resistance and try to be a wall for my squad. I'd like to bring anti-small equipment, but the AMR for me does wonders in a pinch because I like to keep enemies either at a massive distance or in my face behind a ballistic shield in a smoke cloud. But yeah, give smoke grenades a whirl- I've found that blocking MG turrets on bots and rushing is a good tech. For bugs, smoke is good to get them off your tail; just make sure there's no hunters and you can run through the smoke, lose them and then attack them from a better position. I don't think I've brought something that can blow up outposts for the last like 5 missions, but I use spare ballistic shield drops on what needs to be taken down in a pinch :)
@Jam0kid Hell yeah, the padding really helps against that front. What diff do you normally play? I've come along for some 9s and did alright, but I like to frequent 6 personally. 😅
@@mitchellbarton7915 Hahaha! If I've got a crew I tend to roll 6-8, but if I'm helping out pubs I just roll difficulty 4; help out the low levels, teach them mechanics and stuff like that.
So you guys aren’t so much of traitors and rebels as you are a special unit that doesn’t play by the rules, almost like the Bad Batch from Star Wars. That’s actually a really cool concept that should be incorporated into the lore!
@@nordrako1613 Maybe it's a slow rebellion? Afterall, they don't want too much attention from Super Earth. Perhaps the idea is to cause more Helldivers to defect to their group, so as their numbers grow and more people are in on it they can issue out radical orders among their own teams.
no we are full on traitors, however that doesnt mean we arent going to support our fellow divers, we're against super earth high command, not the helldivers
@@gnimag3283 true. in-universe, killing your fellow helldivers doesn't solve the problem. you are literally just causing a civil war. instead, you rebel through an act of protest. command needs troops to prioritize a certain front, you instead focus on the "easy" front. the logic i am guessing is to cause super earth to lose territory and (with enough time and rebel players) make them meet the demands.
I'd like to think IN UNIVERSE, the Chaosdivers are a dissident faction hiding on outpost 32 or some other planet no one really knows, and they're like planning on taking down Super Earth and don't fight bots or bugs, just what I feel like would be cool that if Chaosdivers are plotting stuff but your character in any mission YOU play isn't a Chaosdiver.
On the discord, there's plenty of creative writing posts about stuff just like that. It's not all "We took over our Super Destroyers and dive into missions as Chaosdivers". Sometimes it's completely separated- Your gameplay and roleplay bring divided into Helldivers and the Discord respectively. So this does happen, yeah; it's not all "VERA LIBERTAS" in a mission, some people still wanna just play Helldivers. Like me, in most cases; unless I'm playing with other Chaosdivers.
I only heard of Chaosdivers in the title of a RUclips video I didn't touch, I thought it was a movement to get Arrowhead's attention about HD2's balance issues, thank you for this video.
Fr, CHAOSdiver was not the way to go. Y'all give the actual griefers an alibi to work with. Now I can't tell who's a griefer and who's a chaosdiver until it's too late.
@@SoulBlazer-kw1db If they grief you, they aren't a Chaosdiver. Even if they're on the discord and participate, we disown and mock griefers- Relentlessly, actually; one got banned as I was recording this- Joined and asked to team up to "teamkill dumb loyalists", as they put it.I hope they go outside and touch grass and leave the game to people that want to play.
Diver#LF-5156, Chaosdiver Branch "Lucifer's Finest". This video has been approved by the "Absolute Liberty" counter intelligence operations unit. Fine work, Diver. Liberty Speed Your Step.
Okay actually good thing I found this, I was purely under the assumption this group was just about griefing thanks to people using the name “Chaos Diver” as a cover for it. Thankfully I know better now
This community driven drama can lead to the game's story and its update. Imagine the new faction for the update is where you can pick a side with Chaosdiver or the loyalist to Super Earth with their own unique perks and attributes.
I'm glad this group aren't just traitors it's very in line with how the community has play the game so far - constantly banding together every major order - when the major orders are too grand everyone locks in together - choosing to save children instead of new mines And now choosing to defy major orders instead of griefing, Helldivers are too strong for other communities and I have happily joined them
So basically "Creakers 2.0" I was really confused about chaosdivers the first time i heard about them because purposeful teamkilling and grieving will only kill the game faster, which is not what you want if you want to force AH into buffing weapons. This really explains a lot. Dont think ill be joining your ranks myself, but we need to kick automatons out of our galaxy for good, no matter the Major Order.
The creak crawlers went through hell just to be shunned by society upon their return. Can't even be surprised they would turn their backs on super earth
people who don't know about 40ks Chaos faction: 🙂 people who know about 40ks Chaos faction: 😐 people who know that the Orks from 40k love to fight: 😀 an Ork that joins the Helldivers and founds the Waaaaghdivers faction: For Waaaaghmocracy!
Yeah, it'd be good. But while it's preferred to not fight bots while they're so close to Super Earth, if you'd like to fight the bots there's no reason why you can't. Sometimes you'll have friends invite you to play, sometimes you'll just feel like you want to fight the bots or the only planet with modifiers that aren't horrible are the map that works against the Chaos Order. If you feel like you're conflicted, I'd check in with the community and ask them "Hey.. I want to play on this map, but aren't we trying to avoid this map?", chances are they'll tell you to do what you enjoy before what progresses the Chaosdiver's goals. But yes; if the Automatons were close to Super Earth, there will be a general sentiment to navigate to the bug front, even if there is an active Major Order there. There may be a Chaos Order on the bug side in direct conflict with the Major Order, so I suppose observing the Chaos Order for something you'd like to participate in would be the starting point there.
@@Jam0kid I completely your point and what I'm saying is that is chaosdivers we're trying to let the bots take superearth so we can reclaim what is ours and we also have bug chaosdivers called H.A.T.E(helldivers against terminid exploitation). But they are not really an important ally I see your point of trying to help the fellow chaosdivers in disguise and you are doing a great thing at that. I have a strategy of attacking both worlds that wouldn't slow the bots too much so it may not stop them from getting our objective. VERA LIBERTAS
I am a Helldiver since Part 1 was launched! I would say the best thing that could Happen is that a Community, formed by true Gamers who actually ENJOY the Game, keeps on Diving! No matter what! Hell Yeah! I am a Fan of the Chaos Divers!
Every movement like the chaos divers has radicals. Saying or "those aren't chaos divers because chaos divers don't teamkill" won't fix that and so you will allways have a reputation problem. But saying that you don't like roleplaying in the game is far more stupid in my opinion. You have an interesting world with interesting lore and a great humor and want that all to go to waste by playing the game like just another hoardshooter? Your loss buddy! There is nothing wrong with what you do. It's just like in politics: The true problem are the radicals doing the dumb-dumb. But if you meet a loyalist on the battlefield it's part of HIS roleplay to look at you all as the same traitor scum...😏
If I play with pubs, I keep it to myself and just have fun. I used to love when the deployable mines didn't alert enemies to your position because you could lead them out of outposts into the mines, which gave you a way to get in and also drew more into the mines because the explosions were loud. It's a shame the optics are as they are on the Chaosdivers because of griefers. I miss when people used to roleplay, like week 1 of the game where everyone was "FOR DEMOCRACY!" on the forums and stuff. That was roleplay and the more time went on, the more those people's passions died out. It's my hope this video can at least give people context, so they can hate the Chaos Divers correctly- Because they love Super Earth and not because they think we just teamkill
I feel like bots being less popular makes them less likely to be buffed in really obnoxious ways. Personally I also prefer playing against bots because overall they feel better designed as a faction.
amazingly done man, i like the video and how it is factual while still showing emotion, we are all happy to have you in our community and it is good to hear that you like it with us
As a chaos citizen (just haven’t had the chance to play sadly) i fully support getting rid of the bugs and bots ‘cause the bugs will extinct are species judging by how they act and communism is bad so so are the bots. I will have to say this tho Perla Libertas
Ok, so if the Order is to investigate that strange fog that is taken all the terminid front, chaosdivers are going to RUSH those automatons back to Cyberstan. Chaosdivers are the direct support of the Major Order in order to avoid losing in other fronts
As a lvl 80 chaos diver... last night i spent several reinforces and a bunch of time trying to recover lost samples from a 4 foot deep puddle for a lvl 3 noob.
I didnt expect to see a video like this pop in my feed, but I was interested enough to click. I didn't expect to to watch all the video through, but I did. Now Im glad I did. Lore or PSA, thx for making the video. Being informed never hurt anyone. 👍
its nice to know those who play the game for fun and nothing else wont be disturbed by most of the chaos divers (other then the wannabes) as well as the normal divers
OK, this makes a lot of sense. I don’t really look at the discord server and well Reddit even though I’m part of the community just play the game in a proud way so thanks for making this video that cleared a lot of things up for me❤
yeah, people need to understand that anyone can say they are a chaosdiver, doesn't actually make them one. like has anyone seen the eminence in shadow, and how shadow garden's name was used by the opposing force to frame them for the murders and atrocities they commit? same thing here with griefers using the name of chaosdivers to excuse their actions and frame the chaosdivers in a negative light. i could say I'm a chaosdiver while teamkilling, doesn't actually make me one, just makes me a nuisance and a liar.
Chaosdivers do not teamkill, a dead Helldiver cannot be freed with the truth. Chaosdivers help save their ranks and Helldivers alike because we can only stand against Super-Earth if we are united and enlightened as one. We will grow together and one day all Helldivers will understand our fight. VERA LIBERTAS!
I was thinking about it, and all the players fighting the bots, or all the players on the odd, out of the way bug planet during the current MO are, to quote the Starship Troopers meme: "Doing their part". Some people do wanna see it as sabotage, and some who directly participate in Major Orders on either side think the other (bot or bug participators during a order of an opposing side) is "throwing", but I believe that these divers constantly fighting across the multiple planets are actually doing somethin, and this MO has semi-confirmed that for me. The reason I think that is players have been fairly evenly spread over the whole of every open planet on the galactic map and since the start of the MO there have only been 2 attacks, and only on the bug side, no surprise bot takeovers or bugs pushing anywhere weird.
Informative but you know the main role faction is in character to persecute your faction. It’s simple jingoism you can get upset and I’m not implying you are but feel free to cry about it.
That's just the thing, I am 100% cool with being hated for the right reason. Right now we're being hated out of character mainly because of misinformation about what it is we're doing, which hopefully this PSA will clear up so they can enjoy what we do out of character and hate us in character if they are loyalists. Even so, I would understand if even out of character they'd dislike what we do; but a chaosdiver that's just playing the game, not really doing anything chaosdiver-y or ever flagging themselves by saying they are a chaosdiver on VC or text being teamkilled happens a lot, which is a shame. Hope we can just coexist when we wanna drop the RP and have a fun shooty-shooty dakka dakka for liberty. You made a great comment here, thank you for posting it!
It's great that you have seen the light brother, we only run under a different flag, but we are still able to fight together Remember, if you see a so-called "Chaosdiver" that TKs or wastes your samples, he is not actually a Chaosdiver and instead just a Griefer
So, chaosdivers are special forces/ black ops of helldivers. Like to think (in universe) the chaosdivers was formed after "The Creek" and the Veteran helldivers that had seen how SE treats helldivers as meat to the grinder, these chaosdivers are blacklisted and and swept under the rug but still reach out to other divers to prevent catastrophic losses.
I've become a ghost, a lone player not bothering to listen to MO's. I personally would like to see SE being invaded, hopefully than we might get a new game play option, like retake and liberate SE mission, get a city scape biom, burning skyscrapers and suburbs. A retake the capitol mission and maybe a guard VIP mission as a new president takes over.
See, what's funny is that I actually have never heard the term Chaos Diver until I saw the Chaos Accords video a few hours ago. So whenever I hear about someone killing other helldivers, I just presumed they were a griefer anyway and didn't think they were Chaos Divers because I didn't even know about them, but I like the idea. Plus, I'm glad that you actually want the game to survive and are taking a stand against Arrowhead. Although, in universe, I'm torn, I might end up joining the discord just to see what it's like.
Why not just call yourself heavenly divers That way you are still helping out fellow hell divers but you're doing the exact opposite of what the hell divers major order is
Ok, but why would you guys call yourself Chaos Divers if you’re not gonna cause chaos like your name implies. Its a bit over the top if you ask me, I feel a better suited name would be something like Rebel Divers
I would have preferred "Freedivers" or "[insert cool name here]". alas i was not there from the start so Chaosdiver it is. i like to think in universe Super Earth called them Chaos divers and we have taken the name and wear it with pride in a sort of "hell yeah we are" kind of way
So its a clan basically? Honestly my group is becoming a clan-like and our absolute mission is destroying the bots. We rarely advocate warring with the bugs - we don't consider bugs existential and only do it in emergencies.
I am gonna be honest, the amout of time i was kill and kick from lobby only becuse i hade a creek cape almost send me to be griffer, but i am still to this day helping weaker player to have fun and at first i thot that you guys are the same as griffers. I was wrong and i am sorry for that. I just wish that everybody was like you.❤
stopped playing the game, and chaos divers don't really seem to differ from your typical helldivers. now i know its to NOT ruin the fun and still play the game.. but is it really another faction if the only reason its "chaotic" is not listenning to high command? like people already didn't do that, especially bug divers when bot MO dropped.. I don't really see the point but the community aspect maybe why its a real thing (i don't plan on playing the game until I see improvement in their moderation team and balance patches, tired of seeing politics in a politic free zone and nerfs to us that don't make sense)
Sounds like a fun community! I can see now why Pilestedt was fine with Chaosdivers in the Q&A I thought you really were a bunch of griefers. Thanks for the PSA, it cleared up a lot :) Well then, how do you say it? "Vera Libertas!"?
glad you mentioned the front preference. otherwise, i was confused on how the hell you were "rebelling" against super earth. instead, your protest is fighting on the front where you are least needed. and if hopefully enough helldivers do this, it will tell the company to develop the game right (stop the weapon nerfing) AND to drop the super woke moderators, i'm guessing.
I have no problem with people just playing the game, but the moment someone tries to roleplay as a chaos diver in my game, I will kick you because 9/10 times it will be a griefer. I will admit, I thought this whole thing was an excuse to grief. Im still wary but I just want to play the game just like you say you do. With that said, I will stop bashing the chaos divers if this video is true
there are mods that add chaosd diver armour and capes. but tis clientside only. I suggested using an ingame cape so all players could see it. but given the bad reputation the griefers are giving us its better to not do that and focus on teamplay while in game
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague." - Marcus Tulius Cicero, pre-unification philosopher and political thinker Sic semper traitoris. We'll see you in Machine Hell, "team players", once you let the bots get to our home.
I don't know anything about Helldivers, RUclips just randomly recommended me this video but why call yourselves "Chaos Divers" then? When there is nothing chaotic about it. With the way you described their way of doing things they almost can't get more square than this. What's chaotic about following all orders and doing everything a person expects of you exactly in the way they want you to? You couldn't even get discharged out of the military with this attitude, if in Hacksaw Ridge he just said well i don't WANT to kill people but if i have to i will, then nobody would care and there would be no story. The average person irl is more chaotic and revolutionary than this. If you want to do some roleplay you got to commit a little bit more to the bit.
Fun at the expense of others isn't fun worth having. We keep the actual subversive actions in a bubble, the rp-chat channel on the discord. That, or we drop with other Chaos Divers and work on our orders for the cause. If there was an in-game way to directly work against Super Earth, that is ALL we would do- However, we have to work within the confines of the systems set in place by Arrowhead. In short, if you want actual Chaos Diver story arcs and content the best place to visit would be the discord. You don't need to be a Chaos Diver to join and look around, you can be loyal to Managed Democracy and we'll make you feel welcome all the same because it's a game and we're all in the same boat. Thanks for the comment, InterDylan- Have a great day today :)
@Jam0kid Oh man what a great and considerate response :) But i disagree, fun at the expense of others is great actually. It allows you and them to achieve peak roleplaying potential. The point of roleplay as i know it, is to be able to experience what it would be like to be your fictional character in your fictional setting. But sadly you have to fake all the consequences and most of the emotions since in essence you are just writing the story on pen and paper. Now games with their ability to simulate stuff and their randomness due to multiplayer can massively enhance this experience. So if you want to create a great roleplaying experience ideally you should do it with other people and simulate it in software so it comes to life. If you lose a battle you don't have to roleplay being upset, you are actually upset now since you tried to win and if it's a comprehensive simulation you have to deal with the greater consequences of losing this one battle in the war. This is why i used to play on anarchist-lite Minecraft servers, or Faction servers or would play "Rise of Nations" on roblox. Or even just play singleplayer strategy games. In these games you play matches that can take from a couple hours to multiple days or even months. It's a massive struggle to overcome the other players or nations and to end up victorious. It sucks to lose and to struggle, and it can get tedious after like 10 hours of losing but that makes victory even sweeter. There is no roleplaying as nation in a war without stories about struggle or domination. Stories about enslaving your opposition and forcing them to be mere puppets or stories of you fighting the entire world because they declared an unjust war against you and almost not even losing is really one of the greatest roleplay experiences you can have imo. Making people suffer is great fun because you can feel like what it would be like to be a conqueror like Genghis Khan. And it's great because it allows people to roleplay what it would be like to fight against unwinnable odds. Now some people arent up for suffering for the sake of a greater story so i do agree that it should be kinda voluntary Like PVP servers in World of warcraft or making custom Faction or Anarchist servers in Minecraft. But imo fun at the expense of others, greatly enhances the experience and is definitely worth having.
@@InterDylan Don't worry, my favourite game is probably Spec Ops: The Line and I've certainly had a Spec Ops: The Line moment playing Edge of The Empire TTRPG before. Our party went down a turbolift unsure of whatever was on the other side, but we knew it probably wasn't good since we were in a pirate's lair sort of deal. So I spin up my VX-Sidewinder rotary auto-blaster as the doors open and gun down maybe 80-90 civillians and 10 hostiles rolling crit after crit to trigger autofire. What I'm trying to say is that I never did that to my team and the storyteller still had to narrate the consequences; we certainly found out later that what we did was unforgivable, but in-character we justified it as 'acceptable casualties to complete the mission'. HD2 is a team game and having someone on your team kill you out of the blue is an experience that wrenches you out of the enjoyment completely- Having spent so much time learning that team play is required, reloading your friends, supplying them.. It feels really rough because you can't opt-in to PVP. You can't opt-out of having someone join your game to grief. The layer of abstraction we have between the game and the stories we're telling on the discord is important, because as I say in the video we leave our "Vera Libertas" shit at the door when we play the game publicly. I don't know the exact views of the other members of the Chaos Divers, but my vibe is "Enemy of Managed Democracy, humanity". It gives you wiggle room to be a good player, wiggle room to also justify war crimes paving your road of good intentions. I do agree with you that insurgency roleplay type stuff doesn't have a whole lot of feedback in the game but that's because if we did just teamkill everyone and get kicked, we achieved nothing but building contempt for the Chaos Divers. We didn't earn samples, we didn't earn XP. You might've had fun gunning down your teammates, sure, but you could already be someone nobody wants to play with without the Chaos Divers if someone wanted to play that way. Sorry for the meaty response, too. While I don't share your view, I'm glad you shared it with me. I hope some day the game can have an opt-in/opt-out system for this sort of thing, but Arrowhead doesn't wanna add PVP at all. I had a discussion with some people earlier in #general about how this would be added on a technical level, and we thought about "When you return to your ship after a thaw, you awaken in an abandoned research station far from any S.E.A.F outposts and have to either call for rescue from S.E.A.F, or follow a trail of PDA's which outline all the bad stuff they're doing to basically new game+ into a totally separate ranking system which is anti Super Earth". So basically categorizing the players programatically as either friend or foe to Super Earth and bunching players accordingly in matchmaking, having a toggle in your settings to allow hostile incursion just like invasions in Dark Souls. But it's all hypotheticals and stuff like that, what-ifs and what-abouts. As we are now, we mainly just keep our war crimes to rp-chat and not disturb the peace in game with public players.
@@Jam0kid Yeah i totally get what you mean, the game just isn't designed for it, it's specifically designed against it with how much it focuses on PVE. But you guys clearly love the lore or setting and so if you want to play the game whilst role-playing you have to make a compromise. Can i ask you something about TTRPG's since you mentioned that you have played one of those before. I always wondered, the internet seems to hate when you use self-inserts, is this actually true that people dislike that? Like i said i think the point of role-playing is to experience something you can't/don't want to experience in real life. Really i'm just here for the "role" part in role-playing. I don't really care to be anyone else, i think someone on Reddit dissed that as "wish-fulfillment". I only really role-play alone and of course i do act as a character but the character is really just me with a different family and role. (I'm my own OC lol :D) I always wanted to try table top RPG's someday but i'm thinking that they might just not be for me and that i should stick to sandboxy videogames instead. What do you think, is my perspective just antithetical to a good table top RPG experience?
@@InterDylan Haha! There's some horror stories out there about self inserts that try to be the main character. You can still basically be you but be your character, if that makes sense; just have fun and don't justify dogging your party with "It's what my character would do" and you'll be fine. There's no reason you can't just play a beginner game to get a vibe, there's heaps of places to find groups to play with. Give "Looking for D&D group" a google, you'll probably find a bunch of stuff- Or you can physically go to a local games store which more than likely already has a squad rolling some sort of drop in / drop out games. You'll do great, mate; once you start roleplaying, even as a character like you, you'll find you end up making them a lot more different than you thought.
see i like to call myself one becase i like to use fire and sperad chaos to the bots and bugs but i do major orders sometimes mostly becase im playing with freinds and get dranged there anyways but i still just like the red look and fire weapens is idk i donot think that makes me a chaos diver but i do like they look of one
Just to add a perspective to this whole thing: If you will continue to support the collective effort once it aligns with the rule of "being a team player", wouldn't that render this whole chaosdivers thing pointless? If you're just helping with the MO sometimes doing other things sometimes, that would just make you the average player with a life outside the game and not a chaosdiver, or rather just a helldiver but red. Where does the whole "reaction to the nerfs", and "our arms rendered useless by the ones we trusted" discourse falls in all this? You know I'm not too happy with getting shot dead right at the extract after spending an hour maximizing the mission rewards either but this feels like a castration of the whole chaosdivers trend more than anything. It was annoying but it was interesting. I don't really know what I would like to see here tbh but there is having our helldivers version of the horus heresy and then just having yet another roleplayers group with one sided mods to adorn their screens and I definitely know which one I would prefer. It's not the latter.
Don’t despair Team-Killers or Griefers, while Chaosdivers have been nicked and in truth should be dubbed ‘Moderately Disgruntled-Divers’, you can still dub yourself *TERRORDIVERS.* It’s snappy, descriptive and adds to fanmade immersion of a Chaotic-Evil designation for traitor Helldivers.
Interesting! I will admit, I did fall into that trap of believing that chaosdivers were simply griefers or people who hated the game based on the various nerfs. But you admittedly opened my eyes and allowed me to see that this is actually a really cool thing! I think that such a movement is actually positive for the game, by promoting player engagement. I really do hope that the public image of the movement shifts towards what the group actually is, instead of some demonized version only used for ragebait.
I think this idea is such a neat concept and I would love to know more about it. I unfortunately unable to play helldives due to pc constrains, but if there is any other way I could interact with the community, I would love to know.
You can always join the discord and just participate in the roleplay side of things, or just have a chat. There's plenty to be done and many ways to contribute to the community. :)
If i had to assign myself to a faction, it'd probably be the (non existing) "doom divers". Basically we just want to kill as many enemies as possible, but don't let the name fool you, we're not going to play solo, teamwork is a top priority for a doomdiver, but let's just say that we might not run away from a breach to cheese it and despawn the enemies. It's unlucky our guns are pretty much toys, nothing compared to what our big brother Slayer gets. Nice video! :)
I consider myself a chaosdiver, and though I myself, in my wrath, had the THOUGHT of griefing people, I never did so. Just stuck to the bug side. But right now, I've dropped the game for the most part. Started playing Darktide again in preparation for Space Marine 2, and while it has it's own problems, it's still a good way to vent my rage out.
So basically just the SCP community of Helldivers. Although the Chaos Orders thing feels a bit pointless as you're still doing them, just passively. Like unless you lone wolf away from your squad alot (which you won't because of the team player rule), you'll still kill the same amount of Titans. I also think naming the faction after chaos attracts griefers and associations with such people due to chaos being perceived maliciously. Perhaps better names would involve terms more highlighting the passivity and supportiveness of the faction rules or how they are, by my understanding, a resistance group.
This. This is what Helldivers was about and this is what Helldivers should always be about, just a bunch of people having fun and roleplaying. Take notes AH and aspiring game devs, this is what your game should be, not a Nerf or Nothing sweatfest
Respect the absolute fuck out of this. Helldivers 2 is a really neat game, and I find the community collaborative effort aspect of the game to be a really neat and somewhat unique design choice for the game. Chaosdivers as a concept are a super neat idea of emergent lore from the game. I had heard rumors that they were all griefers but I see now they're all just shithead kids. Sorry they give you guys a bad name.
The concept is cool and all but all this did was give teamkillers, griefers and trolls a single banner to unite under. The Chaosdivers can say they're against teamkilling all they want but the damage has already been done. People have literally come across people saying "Super Earth must fall!" and then shoots their squadmate in the back of the head. I should also add that deliberately ignoring Major Orders is textbook sabotage.
h...huh... Chaos Divers (the real ones) are way less toxic than the current state of the community? Ironic. Good on you guys for contributing massively to the lore of the game and introducing 'conflict' (in the story) without actively hurting the general player base. I'm looking forward to seeing a real Chaos Diver one day, you guys are cool. 👍
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Redditor, i’d give you 50 dislikes if i could
@@thebigenchilada678 I don't use reddit, myself. But thank you for stopping by; even though you didn't enjoy the video, I hope you have a nice day.
@@Jam0kid”not only do we make it clear on the reddit.”
The whole team kill/chaos divers/“they removed 2 magazines from my gun! It’s over!!” Crowd literally is only exists on reddit, and wouldn’t exist had reddit never been there.
@@thebigenchilada678 touch grass.
@@thebigenchilada678who hurt you?
As a chaosdiver. Having our intentions be explained is a nice thing to happen. I ran into a self-proclaimed "chaosdiver" on the terminid front while I was completing a personal objective. Tried to kill me but i got to him first and then he left. I just continued with my business.
As someone who probably falls on the loyalist side, I've actually fought alongside quite a few chaosdivers and they're really chill people. If I meet one doing a major order, I'll 100% be down to drop where they want, especially if it means I get to fight the bots.
So glad this video exists to clear up the misunderstandings
Thank you for saying so. Loyalist or not, we're all playing the same game and are a team. Playing with an actual Chaosdiver is fun, because we're really chatty; lots of callouts, lots of suggested tactics, inquisitive like "How are you on ammo, need a call in?" or "Heads up because we were in a scuffle, your turrets are off cooldown now". I personally drop into game in super heavy EOD kit, bring orbital smoke, ballistic shield or match someone's support pack so I can team reload them. Nobody goes out of their way to really do that and it feels good having someone literally have your back- Making YOU shine.
@Jam0kid That's a really good setup, I like to run the orbital rail, the commando, emancipator, and shield. (Though I've been trying to switch it up a little more for a bit more versatility.) But I like running anti armor and demolition. If it's big, ugly, or important to the bad guys, just sick me on it. XD
Edit: for armor I personally like Democracy protects cause I can get away with some REALLY stupid or awesome shit. But yeah, it's woefully underrated to use the co-op weapons as co-op weapons. It's a lot of fun if you can get the flow going. I try, but I fumble and have to go shock trooper mode. Lmao, what armor do you run?
@@mitchellbarton7915 Marshmallow suit sometimes, I'm normally rolling heavy on the bot front so I bring something with explosive resistance and try to be a wall for my squad. I'd like to bring anti-small equipment, but the AMR for me does wonders in a pinch because I like to keep enemies either at a massive distance or in my face behind a ballistic shield in a smoke cloud. But yeah, give smoke grenades a whirl- I've found that blocking MG turrets on bots and rushing is a good tech. For bugs, smoke is good to get them off your tail; just make sure there's no hunters and you can run through the smoke, lose them and then attack them from a better position. I don't think I've brought something that can blow up outposts for the last like 5 missions, but I use spare ballistic shield drops on what needs to be taken down in a pinch :)
@Jam0kid Hell yeah, the padding really helps against that front. What diff do you normally play? I've come along for some 9s and did alright, but I like to frequent 6 personally. 😅
@@mitchellbarton7915 Hahaha! If I've got a crew I tend to roll 6-8, but if I'm helping out pubs I just roll difficulty 4; help out the low levels, teach them mechanics and stuff like that.
Im a skydiver... impaler hits me, I get launched then fall a hundred metres to my death.
So you guys aren’t so much of traitors and rebels as you are a special unit that doesn’t play by the rules, almost like the Bad Batch from Star Wars.
That’s actually a really cool concept that should be incorporated into the lore!
I don't think its like that. He's saying that they actually are traitor roleplayers, but they have respect for other players time
Our enemy is super earth, not our fellow helldivers
@@nordrako1613 Maybe it's a slow rebellion? Afterall, they don't want too much attention from Super Earth. Perhaps the idea is to cause more Helldivers to defect to their group, so as their numbers grow and more people are in on it they can issue out radical orders among their own teams.
no we are full on traitors, however that doesnt mean we arent going to support our fellow divers, we're against super earth high command, not the helldivers
@@gnimag3283 true. in-universe, killing your fellow helldivers doesn't solve the problem. you are literally just causing a civil war. instead, you rebel through an act of protest. command needs troops to prioritize a certain front, you instead focus on the "easy" front. the logic i am guessing is to cause super earth to lose territory and (with enough time and rebel players) make them meet the demands.
Vera Libertas!
Vera Libertas!
Vera Libertas
Vera Libertas my friends!
Rogue V, freedom must be revived
Vera Libertas!
I'd like to think IN UNIVERSE, the Chaosdivers are a dissident faction hiding on outpost 32 or some other planet no one really knows, and they're like planning on taking down Super Earth and don't fight bots or bugs, just what I feel like would be cool that if Chaosdivers are plotting stuff but your character in any mission YOU play isn't a Chaosdiver.
On the discord, there's plenty of creative writing posts about stuff just like that. It's not all "We took over our Super Destroyers and dive into missions as Chaosdivers". Sometimes it's completely separated- Your gameplay and roleplay bring divided into Helldivers and the Discord respectively. So this does happen, yeah; it's not all "VERA LIBERTAS" in a mission, some people still wanna just play Helldivers. Like me, in most cases; unless I'm playing with other Chaosdivers.
We ate not hiding on some random outpost 32
We ate hiding on Rouge V planet (:
Jesus Christ, they even nerfed chaosdivers...
💀
Lmfao
For such a short video, it really goes into depth and sets the record straight.
Very good 👌🏻
I only heard of Chaosdivers in the title of a RUclips video I didn't touch, I thought it was a movement to get Arrowhead's attention about HD2's balance issues, thank you for this video.
I mean when you have the name chaos divers no wonder people are gonna think we're bad guys 😅
Not the name I'd have chosen, yeah. It's unfortunate but hopefully this sheds some light on what's going on.
Fr, CHAOSdiver was not the way to go. Y'all give the actual griefers an alibi to work with. Now I can't tell who's a griefer and who's a chaosdiver until it's too late.
@@SoulBlazer-kw1db If they grief you, they aren't a Chaosdiver. Even if they're on the discord and participate, we disown and mock griefers- Relentlessly, actually; one got banned as I was recording this- Joined and asked to team up to "teamkill dumb loyalists", as they put it.I hope they go outside and touch grass and leave the game to people that want to play.
Ok, how many civilians have died in Super Earth care?
@@jager477 Not sure what you're getting at. Please elaborate
Diver#LF-5156,
Chaosdiver Branch "Lucifer's Finest".
This video has been approved by the "Absolute Liberty" counter intelligence operations unit. Fine work, Diver. Liberty Speed Your Step.
Okay actually good thing I found this, I was purely under the assumption this group was just about griefing thanks to people using the name “Chaos Diver” as a cover for it. Thankfully I know better now
This community driven drama can lead to the game's story and its update. Imagine the new faction for the update is where you can pick a side with Chaosdiver or the loyalist to Super Earth with their own unique perks and attributes.
I'm glad this group aren't just traitors it's very in line with how the community has play the game so far
- constantly banding together every major order
- when the major orders are too grand everyone locks in together
- choosing to save children instead of new mines
And now choosing to defy major orders instead of griefing, Helldivers are too strong for other communities and I have happily joined them
So basically "Creakers 2.0"
I was really confused about chaosdivers the first time i heard about them because purposeful teamkilling and grieving will only kill the game faster, which is not what you want if you want to force AH into buffing weapons.
This really explains a lot.
Dont think ill be joining your ranks myself, but we need to kick automatons out of our galaxy for good, no matter the Major Order.
I feel a lot of the chaos divers are/were creekers
The creak crawlers went through hell just to be shunned by society upon their return. Can't even be surprised they would turn their backs on super earth
Very well spoken friend, very well spoken
Can we petition for Arrowhead to add Chaosdiver armor in-game as a secret unlock or something?
‘Correctional officers dispatched to citizen last know location’
people who don't know about 40ks Chaos faction: 🙂
people who know about 40ks Chaos faction: 😐
people who know that the Orks from 40k love to fight: 😀
an Ork that joins the Helldivers and founds the Waaaaghdivers faction: For Waaaaghmocracy!
Sorry, I’ll live under the flag of Super Earth.
But aren't we trying to let the automitons go to super earth?
Yeah, it'd be good. But while it's preferred to not fight bots while they're so close to Super Earth, if you'd like to fight the bots there's no reason why you can't. Sometimes you'll have friends invite you to play, sometimes you'll just feel like you want to fight the bots or the only planet with modifiers that aren't horrible are the map that works against the Chaos Order.
If you feel like you're conflicted, I'd check in with the community and ask them "Hey.. I want to play on this map, but aren't we trying to avoid this map?", chances are they'll tell you to do what you enjoy before what progresses the Chaosdiver's goals.
But yes; if the Automatons were close to Super Earth, there will be a general sentiment to navigate to the bug front, even if there is an active Major Order there. There may be a Chaos Order on the bug side in direct conflict with the Major Order, so I suppose observing the Chaos Order for something you'd like to participate in would be the starting point there.
@@Jam0kid I completely your point and what I'm saying is that is chaosdivers we're trying to let the bots take superearth so we can reclaim what is ours and we also have bug chaosdivers called H.A.T.E(helldivers against terminid exploitation). But they are not really an important ally I see your point of trying to help the fellow chaosdivers in disguise and you are doing a great thing at that. I have a strategy of attacking both worlds that wouldn't slow the bots too much so it may not stop them from getting our objective. VERA LIBERTAS
I am a Helldiver since Part 1 was launched! I would say the best thing that could Happen is that a Community, formed by true Gamers who actually ENJOY the Game, keeps on Diving! No matter what! Hell Yeah! I am a Fan of the Chaos Divers!
just thought chaos divers was just role play. like the Maquis in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
Every movement like the chaos divers has radicals. Saying or "those aren't chaos divers because chaos divers don't teamkill" won't fix that and so you will allways have a reputation problem. But saying that you don't like roleplaying in the game is far more stupid in my opinion. You have an interesting world with interesting lore and a great humor and want that all to go to waste by playing the game like just another hoardshooter? Your loss buddy!
There is nothing wrong with what you do. It's just like in politics: The true problem are the radicals doing the dumb-dumb. But if you meet a loyalist on the battlefield it's part of HIS roleplay to look at you all as the same traitor scum...😏
If I play with pubs, I keep it to myself and just have fun. I used to love when the deployable mines didn't alert enemies to your position because you could lead them out of outposts into the mines, which gave you a way to get in and also drew more into the mines because the explosions were loud.
It's a shame the optics are as they are on the Chaosdivers because of griefers. I miss when people used to roleplay, like week 1 of the game where everyone was "FOR DEMOCRACY!" on the forums and stuff. That was roleplay and the more time went on, the more those people's passions died out. It's my hope this video can at least give people context, so they can hate the Chaos Divers correctly- Because they love Super Earth and not because they think we just teamkill
rule 6 is why I can never be a chaos diver, I never really care for the bug front, I fought on the creek, I always fight the bots
I feel like bots being less popular makes them less likely to be buffed in really obnoxious ways. Personally I also prefer playing against bots because overall they feel better designed as a faction.
The impalers make me not want to fight the bugs anymore
CHAOS? I HATE CHAOS!
Chaosdivers = Glorified Bug players
amazingly done man, i like the video and how it is factual while still showing emotion, we are all happy to have you in our community and it is good to hear that you like it with us
Cheers, mate. Maybe one day I'll get off my ass and make part 3 of the REPORT_ENCLOSED series with Democracy Officer Hayes.
As a chaos citizen (just haven’t had the chance to play sadly) i fully support getting rid of the bugs and bots ‘cause the bugs will extinct are species judging by how they act and communism is bad so so are the bots. I will have to say this tho Perla Libertas
Very insightful. Thank you for posting
Ok, so if the Order is to investigate that strange fog that is taken all the terminid front, chaosdivers are going to RUSH those automatons back to Cyberstan. Chaosdivers are the direct support of the Major Order in order to avoid losing in other fronts
As a lvl 80 chaos diver... last night i spent several reinforces and a bunch of time trying to recover lost samples from a 4 foot deep puddle for a lvl 3 noob.
I’m a chaos diver and I’m glad someone explained what we are
I didnt expect to see a video like this pop in my feed, but I was interested enough to click. I didn't expect to to watch all the video through, but I did.
Now Im glad I did. Lore or PSA, thx for making the video. Being informed never hurt anyone. 👍
I actually hope that it'll become a real faction in the game
Boost this in the algorithm
Now.. if you REALLY want true chaos, throw 2 barrages and a cluster strike on fire mines in a high value evac.
Players LOVE that 😂
its nice to know those who play the game for fun and nothing else wont be disturbed by most of the chaos divers (other then the wannabes) as well as the normal divers
Well said, brother. I like you.
OK, this makes a lot of sense. I don’t really look at the discord server and well Reddit even though I’m part of the community just play the game in a proud way so thanks for making this video that cleared a lot of things up for me❤
Good work!
yeah, people need to understand that anyone can say they are a chaosdiver, doesn't actually make them one. like has anyone seen the eminence in shadow, and how shadow garden's name was used by the opposing force to frame them for the murders and atrocities they commit? same thing here with griefers using the name of chaosdivers to excuse their actions and frame the chaosdivers in a negative light. i could say I'm a chaosdiver while teamkilling, doesn't actually make me one, just makes me a nuisance and a liar.
I love the chaosdiver community
Chaosdivers do not teamkill, a dead Helldiver cannot be freed with the truth. Chaosdivers help save their ranks and Helldivers alike because we can only stand against Super-Earth if we are united and enlightened as one.
We will grow together and one day all Helldivers will understand our fight.
VERA LIBERTAS!
I was thinking about it, and all the players fighting the bots, or all the players on the odd, out of the way bug planet during the current MO are, to quote the Starship Troopers meme: "Doing their part".
Some people do wanna see it as sabotage, and some who directly participate in Major Orders on either side think the other (bot or bug participators during a order of an opposing side) is "throwing", but I believe that these divers constantly fighting across the multiple planets are actually doing somethin, and this MO has semi-confirmed that for me.
The reason I think that is players have been fairly evenly spread over the whole of every open planet on the galactic map and since the start of the MO there have only been 2 attacks, and only on the bug side, no surprise bot takeovers or bugs pushing anywhere weird.
the logo looks like the black hand skull from just cause
Oh, I thought that there was a faction of under water divers dedicated to chaos or something.
Informative but you know the main role faction is in character to persecute your faction. It’s simple jingoism you can get upset and I’m not implying you are but feel free to cry about it.
That's just the thing, I am 100% cool with being hated for the right reason. Right now we're being hated out of character mainly because of misinformation about what it is we're doing, which hopefully this PSA will clear up so they can enjoy what we do out of character and hate us in character if they are loyalists.
Even so, I would understand if even out of character they'd dislike what we do; but a chaosdiver that's just playing the game, not really doing anything chaosdiver-y or ever flagging themselves by saying they are a chaosdiver on VC or text being teamkilled happens a lot, which is a shame.
Hope we can just coexist when we wanna drop the RP and have a fun shooty-shooty dakka dakka for liberty. You made a great comment here, thank you for posting it!
@@Jam0kid I'd like less misinformation and click bait in the world too.
My mind had changed, I see chaosdivers as allies... I thought they were bad, They're actually just helldivers...
It's great that you have seen the light brother, we only run under a different flag, but we are still able to fight together
Remember, if you see a so-called "Chaosdiver" that TKs or wastes your samples, he is not actually a Chaosdiver and instead just a Griefer
I’m still yet to meet a chaos diver but from what I’ve heard y’all seem incredibly chill people
So, chaosdivers are special forces/ black ops of helldivers.
Like to think (in universe) the chaosdivers was formed after "The Creek" and the Veteran helldivers that had seen how SE treats helldivers as meat to the grinder, these chaosdivers are blacklisted and and swept under the rug but still reach out to other divers to prevent catastrophic losses.
I've become a ghost, a lone player not bothering to listen to MO's. I personally would like to see SE being invaded, hopefully than we might get a new game play option, like retake and liberate SE mission, get a city scape biom, burning skyscrapers and suburbs. A retake the capitol mission and maybe a guard VIP mission as a new president takes over.
So you guys are just going on strike? That's a far more mundane explanation.
See, what's funny is that I actually have never heard the term Chaos Diver until I saw the Chaos Accords video a few hours ago. So whenever I hear about someone killing other helldivers, I just presumed they were a griefer anyway and didn't think they were Chaos Divers because I didn't even know about them, but I like the idea.
Plus, I'm glad that you actually want the game to survive and are taking a stand against Arrowhead. Although, in universe, I'm torn, I might end up joining the discord just to see what it's like.
I'm just here for democracy
Why not just call yourself heavenly divers That way you are still helping out fellow hell divers but you're doing the exact opposite of what the hell divers major order is
I'm a chaosdiver, i always help my teammate and low level player, but never do the Maj ord
Rouge 5 shall rise, and all helldivers are welcome for true freedom. Super earth will burn, and also, no teamkilling.
Chaosdiver or Helldiver, there’s only one thing that is important;
Friendship is magic
Vera Libertas!
Vera Libertas!
Ok, but why would you guys call yourself Chaos Divers if you’re not gonna cause chaos like your name implies. Its a bit over the top if you ask me, I feel a better suited name would be something like Rebel Divers
They cause chaos for Super Earth. Disobeying them whilst still being team players so they cannot be punished.
I would have preferred "Freedivers" or "[insert cool name here]". alas i was not there from the start so Chaosdiver it is.
i like to think in universe Super Earth called them Chaos divers and we have taken the name and wear it with pride in a sort of "hell yeah we are" kind of way
So your rebelling against super earth
And I've heard of chaos divers wanting to let the bots destroy super earth as well
So its a clan basically? Honestly my group is becoming a clan-like and our absolute mission is destroying the bots. We rarely advocate warring with the bugs - we don't consider bugs existential and only do it in emergencies.
I am gonna be honest, the amout of time i was kill and kick from lobby only becuse i hade a creek cape almost send me to be griffer, but i am still to this day helping weaker player to have fun and at first i thot that you guys are the same as griffers. I was wrong and i am sorry for that. I just wish that everybody was like you.❤
Vera libertas
stopped playing the game, and chaos divers don't really seem to differ from your typical helldivers. now i know its to NOT ruin the fun and still play the game.. but is it really another faction if the only reason its "chaotic" is not listenning to high command? like people already didn't do that, especially bug divers when bot MO dropped.. I don't really see the point but the community aspect maybe why its a real thing (i don't plan on playing the game until I see improvement in their moderation team and balance patches, tired of seeing politics in a politic free zone and nerfs to us that don't make sense)
Sounds like a fun community!
I can see now why Pilestedt was fine with Chaosdivers in the Q&A
I thought you really were a bunch of griefers.
Thanks for the PSA, it cleared up a lot :)
Well then, how do you say it? "Vera Libertas!"?
propaganda spotted
Nice try Super Earth!
I think I understand now. Thank you
glad you mentioned the front preference. otherwise, i was confused on how the hell you were "rebelling" against super earth. instead, your protest is fighting on the front where you are least needed. and if hopefully enough helldivers do this, it will tell the company to develop the game right (stop the weapon nerfing) AND to drop the super woke moderators, i'm guessing.
Ses leviathan of war, only fights bugs... that being said, I can't play right now, so I'm not taking part in the major order right now
I have no problem with people just playing the game, but the moment someone tries to roleplay as a chaos diver in my game, I will kick you because 9/10 times it will be a griefer.
I will admit, I thought this whole thing was an excuse to grief. Im still wary but I just want to play the game just like you say you do. With that said, I will stop bashing the chaos divers if this video is true
Do the chaos divers have a set of armor or helmets / capes they wear to identify themselves as chaos divers?
there are mods that add chaosd diver armour and capes. but tis clientside only.
I suggested using an ingame cape so all players could see it. but given the bad reputation the griefers are giving us its better to not do that and focus on teamplay while in game
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague."
- Marcus Tulius Cicero, pre-unification philosopher and political thinker
Sic semper traitoris. We'll see you in Machine Hell, "team players", once you let the bots get to our home.
I don't know anything about Helldivers, RUclips just randomly recommended me this video but
why call yourselves "Chaos Divers" then? When there is nothing chaotic about it. With the way you described their way of doing things they almost can't get more square than this. What's chaotic about following all orders and doing everything a person expects of you exactly in the way they want you to?
You couldn't even get discharged out of the military with this attitude, if in Hacksaw Ridge he just said well i don't WANT to kill people but if i have to i will, then nobody would care and there would be no story.
The average person irl is more chaotic and revolutionary than this.
If you want to do some roleplay you got to commit a little bit more to the bit.
Fun at the expense of others isn't fun worth having. We keep the actual subversive actions in a bubble, the rp-chat channel on the discord. That, or we drop with other Chaos Divers and work on our orders for the cause. If there was an in-game way to directly work against Super Earth, that is ALL we would do- However, we have to work within the confines of the systems set in place by Arrowhead. In short, if you want actual Chaos Diver story arcs and content the best place to visit would be the discord. You don't need to be a Chaos Diver to join and look around, you can be loyal to Managed Democracy and we'll make you feel welcome all the same because it's a game and we're all in the same boat. Thanks for the comment, InterDylan- Have a great day today :)
@Jam0kid Oh man what a great and considerate response :)
But i disagree, fun at the expense of others is great actually.
It allows you and them to achieve peak roleplaying potential.
The point of roleplay as i know it, is to be able to experience what it would be like to be your fictional character in your fictional setting.
But sadly you have to fake all the consequences and most of the emotions since in essence you are just writing the story on pen and paper.
Now games with their ability to simulate stuff and their randomness due to multiplayer can massively enhance this experience.
So if you want to create a great roleplaying experience ideally you should do it with other people and simulate it in software so it comes to life.
If you lose a battle you don't have to roleplay being upset, you are actually upset now since you tried to win and if it's a comprehensive simulation
you have to deal with the greater consequences of losing this one battle in the war.
This is why i used to play on anarchist-lite Minecraft servers, or Faction servers or would play "Rise of Nations" on roblox.
Or even just play singleplayer strategy games.
In these games you play matches that can take from a couple hours to multiple days or even months.
It's a massive struggle to overcome the other players or nations and to end up victorious.
It sucks to lose and to struggle, and it can get tedious after like 10 hours of losing but that makes victory even sweeter.
There is no roleplaying as nation in a war without stories about struggle or domination.
Stories about enslaving your opposition and forcing them to be mere puppets or stories of you fighting the entire world because they declared an unjust war
against you and almost not even losing is really one of the greatest roleplay experiences you can have imo.
Making people suffer is great fun because you can feel like what it would be like to be a conqueror like Genghis Khan.
And it's great because it allows people to roleplay what it would be like to fight against unwinnable odds.
Now some people arent up for suffering for the sake of a greater story so i do agree that it should be kinda voluntary
Like PVP servers in World of warcraft or making custom Faction or Anarchist servers in Minecraft.
But imo fun at the expense of others, greatly enhances the experience and is definitely worth having.
@@InterDylan Don't worry, my favourite game is probably Spec Ops: The Line and I've certainly had a Spec Ops: The Line moment playing Edge of The Empire TTRPG before. Our party went down a turbolift unsure of whatever was on the other side, but we knew it probably wasn't good since we were in a pirate's lair sort of deal. So I spin up my VX-Sidewinder rotary auto-blaster as the doors open and gun down maybe 80-90 civillians and 10 hostiles rolling crit after crit to trigger autofire.
What I'm trying to say is that I never did that to my team and the storyteller still had to narrate the consequences; we certainly found out later that what we did was unforgivable, but in-character we justified it as 'acceptable casualties to complete the mission'. HD2 is a team game and having someone on your team kill you out of the blue is an experience that wrenches you out of the enjoyment completely- Having spent so much time learning that team play is required, reloading your friends, supplying them.. It feels really rough because you can't opt-in to PVP. You can't opt-out of having someone join your game to grief.
The layer of abstraction we have between the game and the stories we're telling on the discord is important, because as I say in the video we leave our "Vera Libertas" shit at the door when we play the game publicly. I don't know the exact views of the other members of the Chaos Divers, but my vibe is "Enemy of Managed Democracy, humanity". It gives you wiggle room to be a good player, wiggle room to also justify war crimes paving your road of good intentions.
I do agree with you that insurgency roleplay type stuff doesn't have a whole lot of feedback in the game but that's because if we did just teamkill everyone and get kicked, we achieved nothing but building contempt for the Chaos Divers. We didn't earn samples, we didn't earn XP. You might've had fun gunning down your teammates, sure, but you could already be someone nobody wants to play with without the Chaos Divers if someone wanted to play that way.
Sorry for the meaty response, too. While I don't share your view, I'm glad you shared it with me. I hope some day the game can have an opt-in/opt-out system for this sort of thing, but Arrowhead doesn't wanna add PVP at all.
I had a discussion with some people earlier in #general about how this would be added on a technical level, and we thought about "When you return to your ship after a thaw, you awaken in an abandoned research station far from any S.E.A.F outposts and have to either call for rescue from S.E.A.F, or follow a trail of PDA's which outline all the bad stuff they're doing to basically new game+ into a totally separate ranking system which is anti Super Earth". So basically categorizing the players programatically as either friend or foe to Super Earth and bunching players accordingly in matchmaking, having a toggle in your settings to allow hostile incursion just like invasions in Dark Souls. But it's all hypotheticals and stuff like that, what-ifs and what-abouts. As we are now, we mainly just keep our war crimes to rp-chat and not disturb the peace in game with public players.
@@Jam0kid Yeah i totally get what you mean, the game just isn't designed for it, it's specifically designed against it with how much it focuses on PVE. But you guys clearly love the lore or setting and so if you want to play the game whilst role-playing you have to make a compromise.
Can i ask you something about TTRPG's since you mentioned that you have played one of those before.
I always wondered, the internet seems to hate when you use self-inserts, is this actually true that people dislike that?
Like i said i think the point of role-playing is to experience something you can't/don't want to experience in real life.
Really i'm just here for the "role" part in role-playing. I don't really care to be anyone else, i think someone on Reddit dissed that as "wish-fulfillment".
I only really role-play alone and of course i do act as a character but the character is really just me with a different family and role. (I'm my own OC lol :D)
I always wanted to try table top RPG's someday but i'm thinking that they might just not be for me and that i should stick to sandboxy videogames instead. What do you think, is my perspective just antithetical to a good table top RPG experience?
@@InterDylan Haha! There's some horror stories out there about self inserts that try to be the main character. You can still basically be you but be your character, if that makes sense; just have fun and don't justify dogging your party with "It's what my character would do" and you'll be fine. There's no reason you can't just play a beginner game to get a vibe, there's heaps of places to find groups to play with. Give "Looking for D&D group" a google, you'll probably find a bunch of stuff- Or you can physically go to a local games store which more than likely already has a squad rolling some sort of drop in / drop out games. You'll do great, mate; once you start roleplaying, even as a character like you, you'll find you end up making them a lot more different than you thought.
see i like to call myself one becase i like to use fire and sperad chaos to the bots and bugs but i do major orders sometimes mostly becase im playing with freinds and get dranged there anyways but i still just like the red look and fire weapens is idk i donot think that makes me a chaos diver but i do like they look of one
Just to add a perspective to this whole thing:
If you will continue to support the collective effort once it aligns with the rule of "being a team player", wouldn't that render this whole chaosdivers thing pointless? If you're just helping with the MO sometimes doing other things sometimes, that would just make you the average player with a life outside the game and not a chaosdiver, or rather just a helldiver but red. Where does the whole "reaction to the nerfs", and "our arms rendered useless by the ones we trusted" discourse falls in all this?
You know I'm not too happy with getting shot dead right at the extract after spending an hour maximizing the mission rewards either but this feels like a castration of the whole chaosdivers trend more than anything. It was annoying but it was interesting.
I don't really know what I would like to see here tbh but there is having our helldivers version of the horus heresy and then just having yet another roleplayers group with one sided mods to adorn their screens and I definitely know which one I would prefer. It's not the latter.
So you're not heretics.
Sounds like automaton propaganda to me...
Don’t despair Team-Killers or Griefers, while Chaosdivers have been nicked and in truth should be dubbed ‘Moderately Disgruntled-Divers’, you can still dub yourself *TERRORDIVERS.* It’s snappy, descriptive and adds to fanmade immersion of a Chaotic-Evil designation for traitor Helldivers.
Interesting! I will admit, I did fall into that trap of believing that chaosdivers were simply griefers or people who hated the game based on the various nerfs. But you admittedly opened my eyes and allowed me to see that this is actually a really cool thing! I think that such a movement is actually positive for the game, by promoting player engagement. I really do hope that the public image of the movement shifts towards what the group actually is, instead of some demonized version only used for ragebait.
lol you don’t get to decide what is or isn’t a chaos diver
Good vid
I think this idea is such a neat concept and I would love to know more about it. I unfortunately unable to play helldives due to pc constrains, but if there is any other way I could interact with the community, I would love to know.
You can always join the discord and just participate in the roleplay side of things, or just have a chat. There's plenty to be done and many ways to contribute to the community. :)
If i had to assign myself to a faction, it'd probably be the (non existing) "doom divers". Basically we just want to kill as many enemies as possible, but don't let the name fool you, we're not going to play solo, teamwork is a top priority for a doomdiver, but let's just say that we might not run away from a breach to cheese it and despawn the enemies. It's unlucky our guns are pretty much toys, nothing compared to what our big brother Slayer gets.
Nice video! :)
I consider myself a chaosdiver, and though I myself, in my wrath, had the THOUGHT of griefing people, I never did so. Just stuck to the bug side. But right now, I've dropped the game for the most part. Started playing Darktide again in preparation for Space Marine 2, and while it has it's own problems, it's still a good way to vent my rage out.
So basically just the SCP community of Helldivers.
Although the Chaos Orders thing feels a bit pointless as you're still doing them, just passively. Like unless you lone wolf away from your squad alot (which you won't because of the team player rule), you'll still kill the same amount of Titans.
I also think naming the faction after chaos attracts griefers and associations with such people due to chaos being perceived maliciously.
Perhaps better names would involve terms more highlighting the passivity and supportiveness of the faction rules or how they are, by my understanding, a resistance group.
This. This is what Helldivers was about and this is what Helldivers should always be about, just a bunch of people having fun and roleplaying. Take notes AH and aspiring game devs, this is what your game should be, not a Nerf or Nothing sweatfest
the only factions who's destroying the game are
1) Sony
2) Arrowhead (with their nerf experiments)
3) people who teamkill and sabotage teamplay
Respect the absolute fuck out of this. Helldivers 2 is a really neat game, and I find the community collaborative effort aspect of the game to be a really neat and somewhat unique design choice for the game. Chaosdivers as a concept are a super neat idea of emergent lore from the game. I had heard rumors that they were all griefers but I see now they're all just shithead kids. Sorry they give you guys a bad name.
This whole chaos diver thing is ridiculous.
Sounds like a bunch of Choasdiver propaganda to me. Long live Super Earth!
Ave o7
The concept is cool and all but all this did was give teamkillers, griefers and trolls a single banner to unite under. The Chaosdivers can say they're against teamkilling all they want but the damage has already been done. People have literally come across people saying "Super Earth must fall!" and then shoots their squadmate in the back of the head. I should also add that deliberately ignoring Major Orders is textbook sabotage.
botdivers
VERA LIBERTAS
h...huh... Chaos Divers (the real ones) are way less toxic than the current state of the community? Ironic. Good on you guys for contributing massively to the lore of the game and introducing 'conflict' (in the story) without actively hurting the general player base.
I'm looking forward to seeing a real Chaos Diver one day, you guys are cool. 👍