In the late 80´s Schneider Rundfkwerk AG brought DUAL brand and start to sell Premium Hi-Fi components under the brand DUAL, however developed by Schneider who in same cases outsourcing it from Asia brands. However the original DUAL turntables from black forest in Germany after the bankruptcy of Schneider AG was brought by a former worker of DUAL and the production of the original line of turntables remains in Germany, but only this original line the CS line. Others products and because Schneider was brought by the Chinese brand TCL use the brand DUAL but have nothing in common to the same company who manufactures the turntables.
I have had lots of new and vintage turntables in the past few years, but the new Dual CS 429 is a superb deck. Purists might scoff at it because it is fully automatic, but with some serious upgrades it does everything and then some.
I have autoplay on and I woke up to this video playing. I thought I was hearing a review for a Jewel album. Lol. Great, pleasant accent. I rewound the video and watched the whole thing. I think the Dual TT looks great. Thanks for the video.
Just to clarify, yes there was a split with Dual branded turntables being produced in Asia. However, quality Dual turntables are still being produced in Germany, and can be sourced through Dual's approved distributor/stockist network.
It will be interesting to hear how many you have sold by this time next year Phil. My brother had a Dual back in the 80s, which was quite a nice deck, built in Germany I think?. Good luck with it though, and keep your very enjoyable vlogs going. Kind Regards, Phil 👍
Spinning my vinyl collection on a Technics SL-QD3(I bought new in 1977) and a Dual 202. The 202 was given to me last summer by another vintage audio gear enthusiast almost a year ago. Both are in mint-condition and could be sold as new. I wouldn't trade either one for any other TT.
Came across your channel, great content, but kind of bittersweet, got rid of all my vinyl back in the late 90s, I had 78s / 45s / albums, including picture discs, must have been over a thousand all in all, now I regret it, was thinking of get back into it again.
Still love my 505-2 after all these years. Can't say the same about my upgraded Planar 1. I still can't get over how noisy the motor vibration through the plinth is. And then the cartridge hum as it moves towards the spindle. I have a love-hate relationship with Rega.
Aha I have a similar "cartridge hum" as the arm moves towards the spindle with my planar 3/elys2. The motor was quite noisy at first but later quieted down. I did add some grease from Rega. I'm curious what cartridge you are using, the Bias 2 on my older Rega has a similar cartridge noise. I found on the newer unit at least moving the unit as far away from speaker and amps and up higher with shelves between has helped.
Planar 2: Hum as arm moves to centre. Audible 'wow'. Bias didn't work properly - arm always moved to the outside when lifted and dropped. Average sounding cartridge. . Even the Io amp, which sounds great has a slight buzz on one channel. Not good for headphones I listened to three units. All buzzed. Quality control is not good.
The platter and rubber mat look like they come from the Audio Technica AT-LP5. The tonearm looks like the one found on the Audio Technica AT-LP3. Presumably the same Chinese manufacturer. Those Audio Technica models are not bad at all so not surprised to hear good comments about this new Dual deck.
I think there are some inaccuracies here - and then repeated by some commenters. There are two lines of 'Dual' turntables. One very cheap, all Chinese line and can sometimes be found for less than a £100 at places like Lidl. But the other Dual is still German owned. All Dual turntables such as this one (with a 'CS' designation) are made by the German owned company. Yes, they do feature some 'parts bin' items off the peg from Chinese sources but I understand that Dual makes the lower end and mid-range Thorens turntables too and probably others. The CS Duals also feature functionality and tone arm designs from previous Dual turntables such as the CS-5000. Some are belt drive and a few are direct drive. They are decent turntables.
@@cheshireaudio Sorry to say that, but the comment by MostEasterlySteve is also inaccurate, at least outdated (as of now). Although, I have to admit that things are quite complicated (therefore follows long comment). There is a company (Fehrenbacher) in the traditional Black Forest location of 'Dual' of old that to this day still makes turntables. After Schneider (another German company), the then-new owners of Dual (the old company) largely shut down the site there in the late 1980s or early 1990s, they (Fehrenbacher) kept making the Dual-branded turntables for Schneider. When Schneider themselves ran into problems in the later 1990s or early 2000s (they finally went bankrupt in 2002), the 'Dual' name was sold to a retail chain and then went onto some mysterious journey. However, Fehrenbacher retained a license to keep producing turntables under the 'Dual' brand (I'm not sure for which countries in total) and acquired the rights to market the 'Dual' turntables by themselves. They kept doing this until last year. Those were the 'Dual' turntables with the traditional 'CS' prefix (although even some of those, like the 'CS 410' AT-LP60 sibling, came from China/Hanpin). For some time, they also made 'Thorens' turntables alongside the 'Dual' ones. In the meantime, another German company (DGC) that had started out as importer of cheap Chinese electronics either licensed or outright bought (they sure own the brand now) the original 'Dual' brand (at least for Germany/Europe) and started a parallel line of 'Dual' turntables, which carried the 'DT' prefix and were all imported from China, typically the same Hanpin products that you can find under many different labels. On to 2021. For some reason unbeknown to me, Fehrenbacher's license to produce and market turntables under the 'Dual' name was terminated. So they revamped their offerings and introduced the new 'Rekkord' brand. Somehow Pro-ject's parent company is involved in this (merger or cooperation). At the same time, the other German company (DGC) renamed themselves 'Dual GmbH' and started to use the 'CS' moniker, which they had not done before. Most of these 'tables are still the typical Hanpin stuff, although there also is/are (one?) rather expensive 'table(s) 'Made in Germany'. So as of now, there is only *one* line of 'Dual' turntables left (in Europe, at least). One of these 'New Dual' CS tables (née Hanpin), finally, is what we have here. Please note: There never was a Chinese company directly selling turntables under the 'Dual' brand in Europe.
IMO, the styling of the Dual leaves a lot to be desired. Big, in your face logo, archaic speed selection knob, just looks like a budget turntable, which could be argued it is, but unlike Rega, which has always looked more expensive than it is, and is classily understated.
Price difference appears to be about $600 for the Dual and about $700 for the Planar 2. Of course, prices vary because of sales, open box discounts etc. But rounded to the nearest hundred, there appear to be about the prices for the two, the Planar being about $100 more than the Dual.
I clicked on this while looking up data on my Dual 1229. I weighed the platter and it's almost 7 pounds (about 3 Kg). Since metal is really not that expensive, I wonder why more companies don't make heavy metal platters instead of expensive acrylic?
Dual turntables is a German company, the direct descendant of the old company, separate from the Chinese company, and its units are designed and built in Germany. Peace.
Hi you didn’t go into price difference , which at this level is often a deal barker . Definitely the cartridge on the rega is not as good as the 2M red , so to me the rega 2 should have a better cart . I just can’t see the Duel being as well engineered as the rega , which will probably last considerably longer . Kind regards as always 😀👍
Price difference appears to be about $600 for the Dual and about $700 for the Planar 2. Of course, prices vary because of sales, open box discounts etc. But rounded to the nearest hundred, there appear to be about the prices for the two, the Planar being about $100 more than the Dual.
It looks like one of the Audio Technica turntables. There seem to be a few budget decks coming out of a particular Chinese producer. My friend was given one and he asked me to set it up and it was surprisingly good. I was pleasantly surprised.
I concur it looks like AT’s LP-5. I previously owned an AT LP-3 and it as well had good sonic attributes, but traded it for a Rega Planar one and became a big fan ever since.
@@lawrencecabrera5937 : This one is using the same tonearm platform and bearing/pivot as the AT-LP3. The platter looks the same as the LP3 as well, so it almost certainly comes out of that same factory. That's a shame, as I know Dual in Germany have a new range of decks available that are made in Germany and share more visual cues at least with their old 'classic' turntables of the '70s, '80s, and even early '90s, such as the tonearm gimbal bearing and low-mass tonearm....
I have one . . . all around great tt with some interesting tech ideas, including the carbon fiber tone arm. A few months ago, however, Best Buy was clearing them out for . . . wait for it . . . $99!!!!
Dual is a grand old name in hi-fi but I think the Planar 2, even with the Carbon, would have the edge based on the tonearm and platter alone. I had a Dual turntable at one time. It was decent but I found it to be somewhat lightweight in the bass. Of course, some might find the Dual to be a better value at $100 less. I currently have a Planar 3 and find the price difference between it and the Planar 2 to be worth the money.
late, but - well, finding tech specs is pretty hard - even ' Stereophile mag' which makes pretty complete tests of speakers & amps doesn't actually test most T'table reviews, they're fluff reviews. How are Ya comparing t'tables when the cartridges are different ?? of course I got out a couple of LP's a few weeks back, somehow they grew warps despite always stored vertical ( I'm 73 & have a bunch ) so ordered replacements - they both arrived with worse warps than my originals, the ' new product' warped so bad when spinning the edge of disc actually hit the tonearm ( thorns). . CD's rock. actually I prefer Concert video DVD be it Grateful Dead/Oregon or A. Netrebko / La Traviatta
Not your best review tbh but still gave you a like. How much does it cost? What about the cables, can you upgrade? Would you want to? Does it hum like the Rega? Does it have a real ground unlike the Rega? The platter alone is a no for me, I really like the optiwhite platter visually and weight wise. Anyway I digress, other than the detachable headshell and even there appears to be a fail.
@@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox well it is from the motor into the cartridge as the arm gets to the center, not a grounding hum or a motor noise per se. I think the Elys 2 being high output and unshielded was picking it up a lot more when I had the planar 3 closer to my speaker in particular and also a bit closer to the amp. I moved it as far away from both as possible and that has helped alot.
in the past i have owned a Dual 506 , a Rega Planar and an Ariston RD80 which blew both decks out of the ball park on a completely different level , this suspended sub chassis design, even with a Linn Basik tonearm was a night and day improvement. I later moved up to a Linn LP12 and wish i'd kept the Ariston but i still see them for sale quite regularly costing much less than most budget turntables made in China like those illustrated here, my advice for beginner audiophiles is to find a good suspended sub chassis turntable and you will never look back, sorry hifi salesmen you have a living to make and keep extolling the virtues if these overpriced toys but you can't beat quality (-;
I can't get over how much acceptance there is for products coming from the slave drivers in China. Is the love of money that ingrained in many of us? Apparently so.
The Dual CS431, which is very similar, but has auto-return, has a label on the back that reads, "Made in Germany." Maybe the Chinese had bought Dual, by then. But that doesn't mean Duals are made there. Volvo was bought by Ford, but their cars are still Swedish.
Baffled. China buys Dual name = a fake - compromised engineering in key aspects = impaired quality & sound - uninspiring dated aesthetics = no pride of ownership - a few minor features to distract from what’s wrong with it = poor residual value. Or you can buy a genuine product you’re proud to own from world renowned specialist Rega, a product with integrity, class leading performance, in-depth quality, passionate engineering, timeless aesthetics, built by dedicated Brits, award winning around the globe, long term service & support with way better residual values. What happened to “say it as it is” reviews…sigh
I think he's perfectly clear, it is a 'say it as it is' review. As for aesthetics that's very personal to the buyer. I prefer the look of the Dual (more traditional) but have bought Rega.
the dual is without a doubt better than the rega 2 ,it´s simple but it as all important functions to play a record with a good cartridge , the rega turntables ,are far better than the Pro-Ject turntables ,which till 1.000€ they sound and built the worst it can be ,also having a very bad sound ,incredible how young men buys them and think that is what vinil sound ,in late 80´s or early 90´s brands like technics were selling their turntables for prices around 100€ with far more quality and better built than this Pro-Ject turntables, you seem to be old enough to remenber how good turntables were , most of them from the 70´s and some released in the 80´s, but the ones from the 70´s even with heavy use are still working good and the ones from the 80´s ,could be almost perfect but problems appeared in several diferent brands turntables, the ones sold today are almost undressed and one has to buy several devices that normally any non full automatic turntable, had and this full automatic had them tuned from factory and still today they sound a lot better ,those belt driven that we handle ourselves to change speed and also being exposed to dust humidity they are not working properly after one year of use, some have their hands with natural skin protector living the belts dirty and able to slide on the engine part or the turntable itself, i think this is a scheme ,when i show one of my old turntables working guys that i know with ages between 30 to 40 years old seem to be not believe that the turntable itself as that sound and i might be hiding a equalizer or some other device, this talking about a 79 technics. You refer as a defect having a headshel that can be removed but there are many cartridges and one might work better with some records dpending on their type of sound and not being that good with a less filled sound, i think it´s a plus ,not that many conections ,only the regular four contacts, in a tonearm with no removable headshell ,you need to change everything ,and contacts are frail one might destroy one of the female atatchments to a new cartridge ,it´s not that simple
Thanks for the update, Phil. Chinese companies are clearly producing great gear at all sorts of price points these days. I know many, such as Denafrips, are run by real enthusiasts, who have the same passion as the long established British brands such as Rega, Naim, Harbeth and the like. I just wish the government of their country wasn’t so appalling, as it’s making me think twice about supporting their regime by buying Chinese products.
I used to be dead against having any Japanese components in my HiFi, have mellowed on that, but I'm, no-way going to have any Chinese crap in my system!!!!
The Rega Planar 2 is much worse than the dual 418. The workmanship is much worse, instability due to the three legs, terrible dust cover hinges and more. The sound is also worse than the Dual 418.
To be honest Geely has done nothing for Volvo's core values.I personally would not buy anything made either by the Chinese or by a company controlled by China. I am thinking of China's alignment with Russia creating mayhem and misery in Ukraine though my concerns over China is much longer lived than the Ukraine disaster. Just tuppence worth from George
Don't make me laugh. Rega and those other snob brands are dwarfed by turntables from the 70s and 80s and even the 60s, the difference? The ridiculously high price. What is a record player? A turntable, an arm a cartridge a motor and a black disc with 1950s stereo technology. The Sound quality had to be curtailed to allow stereo playback. The frequency range is not the same at the beginning of a record as at the end.
Agree,back then,thanks to a competive buyers market and high productionvolumes quality was on average way higher then today. Even entry level models put many modern budget "high end" decks to shame. But that time is long gone and we live in the world of make believe at least since a couple decades.
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In the late 80´s Schneider Rundfkwerk AG brought DUAL brand and start to sell Premium Hi-Fi components under the brand DUAL, however developed by Schneider who in same cases outsourcing it from Asia brands.
However the original DUAL turntables from black forest in Germany after the bankruptcy of Schneider AG was brought by a former worker of DUAL and the production of the original line of turntables remains in Germany, but only this original line the CS line.
Others products and because Schneider was brought by the Chinese brand TCL use the brand DUAL but have nothing in common to the same company who manufactures the turntables.
I have had lots of new and vintage turntables in the past few years, but the new Dual CS 429 is a superb deck. Purists might scoff at it because it is fully automatic, but with some serious upgrades it does everything and then some.
I have autoplay on and I woke up to this video playing. I thought I was hearing a review for a Jewel album. Lol. Great, pleasant accent. I rewound the video and watched the whole thing. I think the Dual TT looks great. Thanks for the video.
Just to clarify, yes there was a split with Dual branded turntables being produced in Asia. However, quality Dual turntables are still being produced in Germany, and can be sourced through Dual's approved distributor/stockist network.
It will be interesting to hear how many you have sold by this time next year Phil. My brother had a Dual back in the 80s, which was quite a nice deck, built in Germany I think?. Good luck with it though, and keep your very enjoyable vlogs going. Kind Regards, Phil 👍
Spinning my vinyl collection on a Technics SL-QD3(I bought new in 1977) and a Dual 202. The 202 was given to me last summer by another vintage audio gear enthusiast almost a year ago. Both are in mint-condition and could be sold as new. I wouldn't trade either one for any other TT.
Yes, your voice is clear enough now.👍🏻
Came across your channel, great content, but kind of bittersweet, got rid of all my vinyl back in the late 90s, I had 78s / 45s / albums, including picture discs, must have been over a thousand all in all, now I regret it, was thinking of get back into it again.
Great comparison!
Not bad. Congratulations on the new mic. Audio is much improved :)
the sound is very weak, the voice is not hearable!!
Still love my 505-2 after all these years. Can't say the same about my upgraded Planar 1. I still can't get over how noisy the motor vibration through the plinth is. And then the cartridge hum as it moves towards the spindle. I have a love-hate relationship with Rega.
Aha I have a similar "cartridge hum" as the arm moves towards the spindle with my planar 3/elys2. The motor was quite noisy at first but later quieted down. I did add some grease from Rega. I'm curious what cartridge you are using, the Bias 2 on my older Rega has a similar cartridge noise. I found on the newer unit at least moving the unit as far away from speaker and amps and up higher with shelves between has helped.
@@JohnDoe-np3zk I have used the stock Rega Carbon (AT3600), Nagaoka MP100 and Shure M91ED on my Planar 1. All of them hum.
Planar 2: Hum as arm moves to centre. Audible 'wow'. Bias didn't work properly - arm always moved to the outside when lifted and dropped. Average sounding cartridge. . Even the Io amp, which sounds great has a slight buzz on one channel. Not good for headphones I listened to three units. All buzzed. Quality control is not good.
The platter and rubber mat look like they come from the Audio Technica AT-LP5. The tonearm looks like the one found on the Audio Technica AT-LP3. Presumably the same Chinese manufacturer. Those Audio Technica models are not bad at all so not surprised to hear good comments about this new Dual deck.
yes probably Hanpin factory products
Just got back into vinyl and love my rega. Any complaint I have is on how I have it placed and positioned
I think there are some inaccuracies here - and then repeated by some commenters. There are two lines of 'Dual' turntables. One very cheap, all Chinese line and can sometimes be found for less than a £100 at places like Lidl. But the other Dual is still German owned. All Dual turntables such as this one (with a 'CS' designation) are made by the German owned company. Yes, they do feature some 'parts bin' items off the peg from Chinese sources but I understand that Dual makes the lower end and mid-range Thorens turntables too and probably others. The CS Duals also feature functionality and tone arm designs from previous Dual turntables such as the CS-5000. Some are belt drive and a few are direct drive. They are decent turntables.
However, CS-418 is made in China. And that's why I did not choice this product.
Thanks for clearing that up... I was quoting the supplier, but I may have misunderstood... which isn’t unusual
@@cheshireaudio Sorry to say that, but the comment by MostEasterlySteve is also inaccurate, at least outdated (as of now). Although, I have to admit that things are quite complicated (therefore follows long comment).
There is a company (Fehrenbacher) in the traditional Black Forest location of 'Dual' of old that to this day still makes turntables. After Schneider (another German company), the then-new owners of Dual (the old company) largely shut down the site there in the late 1980s or early 1990s, they (Fehrenbacher) kept making the Dual-branded turntables for Schneider. When Schneider themselves ran into problems in the later 1990s or early 2000s (they finally went bankrupt in 2002), the 'Dual' name was sold to a retail chain and then went onto some mysterious journey. However, Fehrenbacher retained a license to keep producing turntables under the 'Dual' brand (I'm not sure for which countries in total) and acquired the rights to market the 'Dual' turntables by themselves. They kept doing this until last year. Those were the 'Dual' turntables with the traditional 'CS' prefix (although even some of those, like the 'CS 410' AT-LP60 sibling, came from China/Hanpin). For some time, they also made 'Thorens' turntables alongside the 'Dual' ones.
In the meantime, another German company (DGC) that had started out as importer of cheap Chinese electronics either licensed or outright bought (they sure own the brand now) the original 'Dual' brand (at least for Germany/Europe) and started a parallel line of 'Dual' turntables, which carried the 'DT' prefix and were all imported from China, typically the same Hanpin products that you can find under many different labels.
On to 2021. For some reason unbeknown to me, Fehrenbacher's license to produce and market turntables under the 'Dual' name was terminated. So they revamped their offerings and introduced the new 'Rekkord' brand. Somehow Pro-ject's parent company is involved in this (merger or cooperation).
At the same time, the other German company (DGC) renamed themselves 'Dual GmbH' and started to use the 'CS' moniker, which they had not done before. Most of these 'tables are still the typical Hanpin stuff, although there also is/are (one?) rather expensive 'table(s) 'Made in Germany'.
So as of now, there is only *one* line of 'Dual' turntables left (in Europe, at least). One of these 'New Dual' CS tables (née Hanpin), finally, is what we have here.
Please note: There never was a Chinese company directly selling turntables under the 'Dual' brand in Europe.
@@theol1044 To amend this good post: Only the Dual Primus maximus is made in Germany.
@@thorstenromstadt485 Thanks for the addendum. I wasn't sure about that.
This Dual 418 looks exactly like the kind of turntable that made Roy Gandy found his own company back then ... 🥳
IMO, the styling of the Dual leaves a lot to be desired. Big, in your face logo, archaic speed selection knob, just looks like a budget turntable, which could be argued it is, but unlike Rega, which has always looked more expensive than it is, and is classily understated.
Price difference appears to be about $600 for the Dual and about $700 for the Planar 2. Of course, prices vary because of sales, open box discounts etc. But rounded to the nearest hundred, there appear to be about the prices for the two, the Planar being about $100 more than the Dual.
I’m glad I picked a P2
I hear the 618Q is fantastic.
Did you test the Dual 418's anti skate (with the anti skating blank record) , does it work properly ?
Not quite the Dual CS-5000 Quartz from the late 80's nor the flawless and perfect direct 701 of the 70's but we will see longevity of design 418.
There’s a Lidl lone too on RUclips
I heard these two head to head at the Audioworks and the Rega was significantly better.
does it have a built in phono stage?
I clicked on this while looking up data on my Dual 1229. I weighed the platter and it's almost 7 pounds (about 3 Kg). Since metal is really not that expensive, I wonder why more companies don't make heavy metal platters instead of expensive acrylic?
Dual turntables is a German company, the direct descendant of the old company, separate from the Chinese company, and its units are designed and built in Germany. Peace.
Hi you didn’t go into price difference , which at this level is often a deal barker . Definitely the cartridge on the rega is not as good as the 2M red , so to me the rega 2 should have a better cart . I just can’t see the Duel being as well engineered as the rega , which will probably last considerably longer . Kind regards as always 😀👍
Price difference appears to be about $600 for the Dual and about $700 for the Planar 2. Of course, prices vary because of sales, open box discounts etc. But rounded to the nearest hundred, there appear to be about the prices for the two, the Planar being about $100 more than the Dual.
I like the Dual turntable better
This Dual has it's arm sitting on a big plastic blob. Aesthetically I find that quite offensive.
Donyou know if the " blob" , or " tone arm holder" is made of plastic or metal on the more expensive model cs 518" ? I also dont like plastic stuff
It looks like one of the Audio Technica turntables. There seem to be a few budget decks coming out of a particular Chinese producer. My friend was given one and he asked me to set it up and it was surprisingly good. I was pleasantly surprised.
I concur it looks like AT’s LP-5.
I previously owned an AT LP-3 and it as well had good sonic attributes, but traded it for a Rega Planar one and became a big fan ever since.
@@lawrencecabrera5937 : This one is using the same tonearm platform and bearing/pivot as the AT-LP3. The platter looks the same as the LP3 as well, so it almost certainly comes out of that same factory.
That's a shame, as I know Dual in Germany have a new range of decks available that are made in Germany and share more visual cues at least with their old 'classic' turntables of the '70s, '80s, and even early '90s, such as the tonearm gimbal bearing and low-mass tonearm....
How much does it cost?
I think you were a tad harsh on Project turntables in this review. I think the project decks and phono stages are excellent sounding kit.
They beat Rega in every department
I have one . . . all around great tt with some interesting tech ideas, including the carbon fiber tone arm. A few months ago, however, Best Buy was clearing them out for . . . wait for it . . . $99!!!!
Dual is a grand old name in hi-fi but I think the Planar 2, even with the Carbon, would have the edge based on the tonearm and platter alone. I had a Dual turntable at one time. It was decent but I found it to be somewhat lightweight in the bass. Of course, some might find the Dual to be a better value at $100 less. I currently have a Planar 3 and find the price difference between it and the Planar 2 to be worth the money.
How Much is the Dual
late, but - well, finding tech specs is pretty hard - even ' Stereophile mag' which makes pretty complete tests of speakers & amps doesn't actually test most T'table reviews, they're fluff reviews. How are Ya comparing t'tables when the cartridges are different ?? of course I got out a couple of LP's a few weeks back, somehow they grew warps despite always stored vertical ( I'm 73 & have a bunch ) so ordered replacements - they both arrived with worse warps than my originals, the ' new product' warped so bad when spinning the edge of disc actually hit the tonearm ( thorns). . CD's rock. actually I prefer Concert video DVD be it Grateful Dead/Oregon or A. Netrebko / La Traviatta
Also that Ortofon isn't the greatest. The Blue is much better. I personally run a Grado Red on a nearly 50 year old Dual 521 and that sounds great.
Not your best review tbh but still gave you a like. How much does it cost? What about the cables, can you upgrade? Would you want to? Does it hum like the Rega? Does it have a real ground unlike the Rega? The platter alone is a no for me, I really like the optiwhite platter visually and weight wise. Anyway I digress, other than the detachable headshell and even there appears to be a fail.
I must be lucky, I've three Rega turntables, have used quite a few different motors and Power supplies and never had hum. Just saying 😉.
@@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox well it is from the motor into the cartridge as the arm gets to the center, not a grounding hum or a motor noise per se. I think the Elys 2 being high output and unshielded was picking it up a lot more when I had the planar 3 closer to my speaker in particular and also a bit closer to the amp. I moved it as far away from both as possible and that has helped alot.
@@JohnDoe-np3zk thank you for the reply 👍. Haven't tried an Elys myself. I have heard of other people having that issue.
in the past i have owned a Dual 506 , a Rega Planar and an Ariston RD80 which blew both decks out of the ball park on a completely different level , this suspended sub chassis design, even with a Linn Basik tonearm was a night and day improvement. I later moved up to a Linn LP12 and wish i'd kept the Ariston but i still see them for sale quite regularly costing much less than most budget turntables made in China like those illustrated here, my advice for beginner audiophiles is to find a good suspended sub chassis turntable and you will never look back, sorry hifi salesmen you have a living to make and keep extolling the virtues if these overpriced toys but you can't beat quality (-;
P2 any day of the week.
Dual 1219 > any other Dual
I can't get over how much acceptance there is for products coming from the slave drivers in China. Is the love of money that ingrained in many of us? Apparently so.
It's probably a Japanese table rebadged, they are made in China now also I believe....
The Dual CS431, which is very similar, but has auto-return, has a label on the back that reads, "Made in Germany." Maybe the Chinese had bought Dual, by then. But that doesn't mean Duals are made there. Volvo was bought by Ford, but their cars are still Swedish.
For similar money you can get a good quality direct drive tt which in that price range will out perform most belt drives.
another hanpin deck,
Baffled. China buys Dual name = a fake - compromised engineering in key aspects = impaired quality & sound - uninspiring dated aesthetics = no pride of ownership - a few minor features to distract from what’s wrong with it = poor residual value. Or you can buy a genuine product you’re proud to own from world renowned specialist Rega, a product with integrity, class leading performance, in-depth quality, passionate engineering, timeless aesthetics, built by dedicated Brits, award winning around the globe, long term service & support with way better residual values. What happened to “say it as it is” reviews…sigh
I was proud to own an RP 6 till it fell to bits.
@@jmcc2275 oh man. What exactly happened?
I think he's perfectly clear, it is a 'say it as it is' review. As for aesthetics that's very personal to the buyer. I prefer the look of the Dual (more traditional) but have bought Rega.
Is that the original Dual from Germany or is it a Chinese product ??
Why didnt you watch the video?
the dual is without a doubt better than the rega 2 ,it´s simple but it as all important functions to play a record with a good cartridge , the rega turntables ,are far better than the Pro-Ject turntables ,which till 1.000€ they sound and built the worst it can be ,also having a very bad sound ,incredible how young men buys them and think that is what vinil sound ,in late 80´s or early 90´s brands like technics were selling their turntables for prices around 100€ with far more quality and better built than this Pro-Ject turntables, you seem to be old enough to remenber how good turntables were , most of them from the 70´s and some released in the 80´s, but the ones from the 70´s even with heavy use are still working good and the ones from the 80´s ,could be almost perfect but problems appeared in several diferent brands turntables, the ones sold today are almost undressed and one has to buy several devices that normally any non full automatic turntable, had and this full automatic had them tuned from factory and still today they sound a lot better ,those belt driven that we handle ourselves to change speed and also being exposed to dust humidity they are not working properly after one year of use, some have their hands with natural skin protector living the belts dirty and able to slide on the engine part or the turntable itself, i think this is a scheme ,when i show one of my old turntables working guys that i know with ages between 30 to 40 years old seem to be not believe that the turntable itself as that sound and i might be hiding a equalizer or some other device, this talking about a 79 technics. You refer as a defect having a headshel that can be removed but there are many cartridges and one might work better with some records dpending on their type of sound and not being that good with a less filled sound, i think it´s a plus ,not that many conections ,only the regular four contacts, in a tonearm with no removable headshell ,you need to change everything ,and contacts are frail one might destroy one of the female atatchments to a new cartridge ,it´s not that simple
Would have the Rega every time , not even close.
Thanks for the update, Phil. Chinese companies are clearly producing great gear at all sorts of price points these days. I know many, such as Denafrips, are run by real enthusiasts, who have the same passion as the long established British brands such as Rega, Naim, Harbeth and the like. I just wish the government of their country wasn’t so appalling, as it’s making me think twice about supporting their regime by buying Chinese products.
I used to be dead against having any Japanese components in my HiFi, have mellowed on that, but I'm, no-way going to have any Chinese crap in my system!!!!
Not impressed with the review ,or the turntable......
The Rega Planar 2 is much worse than the dual 418. The workmanship is much worse, instability due to the three legs, terrible dust cover hinges and more. The sound is also worse than the Dual 418.
Nobody needs 78rpm
Needs v Wants...
To be honest Geely has done nothing for Volvo's core values.I personally would not buy anything made either by the Chinese or by a company controlled by China. I am thinking of China's alignment with Russia creating mayhem and misery in Ukraine though my concerns over China is much longer lived than the Ukraine disaster.
Just tuppence worth from George
Don't make me laugh. Rega and those other snob brands are dwarfed by turntables from the 70s and 80s and even the 60s, the difference? The ridiculously high price. What is a record player? A turntable, an arm a cartridge a motor and a black disc with 1950s stereo technology. The Sound quality had to be curtailed to allow stereo playback. The frequency range is not the same at the beginning of a record as at the end.
Agree,back then,thanks to a competive buyers market and high productionvolumes quality was on average way higher then today.
Even entry level models put many modern budget "high end" decks to shame. But that time is long gone and we live in the world of
make believe at least since a couple decades.