First off I would like to say you've earned yourself a new sub. I went into this video thinking that my paindrome would be the cream of the crop handcannon for me.... but you've convinced me that TLFB is where is at. Thanks for the work you put into comparing two of my favorite guns, great video!!!
Oh dang thank you very much for the kind words & subscription, I appreciate it a lot! It was really fun to make this one. Aiming to do more in the future :)
Tbf i dont think that they really compete with each other that much bcs they are in different slots and the final choice should be made based on special of your choice
Not a nightfall player at all and i really struggle because of that I have godroll judgement, good fatebringer (not a raider either) and godroll dire promise, but my favourite sniper is my op shot+snapshot eye of sol
I would personally gladly use both fb and palindrome Currently i pretty much only use duality and adored (which i dont like at all, just a much worse version of my beloved), but a decent palindrome wouldve let me run riis and eye
This is the most well thought-out and put-together weapon review/comparison I’ve ever watched! Thanks for all the research and hard work you put into it. Each rationale for each perk is a video in itself. Awesome job sir
Castle sent me ;) this production value is nuts though and your recommendations and reasons for them are extremely well laid out. Excellent video, going to rethink opening shot being the godroll on my timelost fatebringer!
At the end of the day, use what you enjoy! But I know I’ll be using a fatebringer once I get the god roll. Spent 400 spoils last night and didn’t get it yet. Also I misspelled “with” in the end screen title card :P
Following up on my previous comment, while thinking outside the box and notably understanding the vast difference in stability Performance on Console, here we go. Your comment on Opening Shot is understandable and I respect your understanding on BLOOM by the 3rd Shot while showing the IMAGES, however, Opening Shot negates this for the 1st Shot and technically a Weapon with Opening Shot the 2nd Shot follow up Shot is the like the 1st Shot shown on the IMAGE and you won’t see the bloom that is depicted in the 3rd IMAGE until nearly the 4th or 5th Shot. Something to think about.
@Christopher Jacobs okay that’s actually very interesting, hadn’t thought about it that way! I would say that probably makes it tied with Eye Of The Storm. Avoiding the bloom for a bit longer is really nice
I've spent around 3000 spoils so far and have only gotten 4/5 rolls so far. I will only accept a 5/5 on such an easily farmable gun but I'm starting to go insane.
I got recommended here by Castle and I must say: he didn’t lay about the quality of the content. Very nice indeed! Although I disagree on some of the points (e.g. that tac mag makes it not a god roll or the extended barrel discussion) because I value things differently here on console, yet it was an excellent point of reference! Edit: rewatched it for the handeling part. Very interesting indeed. Maybe I have to go back on the extended barrel thing. Got to get me a new TLFB after all. Yet, I am gonna miss the 100 recoil direction.
Thanks for stopping by! And yeah that is totally fair, I should’ve mentioned I am on PC so that definitely affects my opinion, and higher stability/better recoil direction might be the best play for console/controller. I only switched to MnK ~year ago so I can definitely relate to my controller brothers out there
swap speed caps out at 24 frames or is it 26? either way most weapons can get very close to this with double dexterity and like one handling perk like quick draw quick charge threat detector etc, but with base 50 handling double quick access double dexterity any two weapons can get 32 frames thats stow and ready the difference between 24 and 32 in time is 0.266, so 0.8 and 1.033 1/5 of a second still very impactful considering a 150 was only .07 faster than a 140 and that mattered a-lot two weapons at 100 handling is 26 frames after a certain point adding more handling when you have modifiers becomes a waste really still helps with ads but even that gets boosted with targeting mods. with just double dex the ideal handling id say would be 80 if one weapon had less than 80 put double dex on that gun but if they both 80 put one on each. however with double quick access you can go 70 on both and get 26 27 frames and if you have a handling perk just put the handling the perk gives you somewhere else quick charge gives a weapon 25 or 30 handling put the extra points in range stability. modifiers are better the less handling-you have the more effective they are.
Great video. Liked and subscribed. But - there is one thing you overlooked. A lot of people have been saying that Fatebringer feels off. It’s harder to hit headshots with it. There was speculation that it had a strange recoil pattern or that EP did something weird to hit boxes , but that clearly isn’t the case. In fact, the reason why Fatebringer feels bad for some people is the gun model itself. It has a prominent laser sight on the left side. Whenever you fire, the laser sight rises and blocks your line of sight to the target. It makes it much harder to track targets and land follow up shots. Not a deal breaker, but certainly a disadvantage. It’s really noticeable for me. O love Fatebringer, but it feels worse than Austringer or Pali for this reason.
Good point, I should’ve spent a bit more time on that because it is certainly an issue for a lot of people in the community. And thank you so much for the sub!
I noticed this as well when I first started using this gun but after using a little and getting some better rolls, it is a non issue. But definitely a learning curve.
I got a Timelost last week with hammer forged, accurized, killing wind and eye of the storm with stability mw. I was a bit disappointed at first but glad I saw this video and it feels really good in the crucible.
Honestly straight to the point, making note of recoil and Stabilty cones as well as perk viability. I hope we see more of this soon, and you deserve a subscribe too.
This video was expert level in terms of editing, voice quality (you could definitely do voice acting if you want to) and information. Everything was laid out so perfectly. Subscription well earned
Tried both god rolls out in high tier pvp. They’re very alike, at the end of the day it’s down to preference. Although, most people will like Pali more because of the better hit registration.
Going through the comments, I always notice that well thought out, rationale-heavy videos seem to bring out respectful debate and discussion amongst the commenters. Almost like it removes the toxic folks or convinces them to behave otherwise, lol
Hahaha this is so true, there’s still some knuckleheads out there, but far fewer in long videos which is great! Allows the rest of us to enjoy the discussion
Hello Gjerda! Please do a video about exotic hand cannons! That would be amazing! After watching this review it makes every other one I’ve seen look so dry and shallow. Would love to see a deep dive into more weapons. Thanks!
Hi! Well thanks so much and that is a good idea, I think I will do more head to head comparisons like this, it was pretty fun and a lot of people liked it :)
2500 Subs? Wtf just happened? :D I remember when I told you that I can't wait to see you at tenthousands of subs and now it seems like your channel is (finally) getting the attention it deserves :D I'm so glad to see this! :D Congratulations and all the best to you Gjerda, keep up the great work!
Informative video. But i disagree on one thing. Given the dominance of long range special weapons in elimination modes, high-cal should get buffed. And not get explosive payload nerfed, which is more of a visual "flinch" anyway.
This is top tier content. Great stuff dude. Also, adept palindrome doesn’t guarantee one for all on the drop. That’s just the curated roll. The only think guaranteed is bottomless grief for all nightfall weapons, just like celerity for trials weapons. Just thought I’d mention it for people expecting their palindromes to drop with two guaranteed perks like time lost weapons even though I know no one cares about one for all in pvp
Thank you so much! And yes good point, I didn’t realize that due to d2gunsmith but fortunately OFA doesn’t affect its pvp rating. Bottomless grief rules! Thanks for watching :)
you don't understand how helpful this video was for me when playing trials on cauldron in solo que. I brought my killing wind high impact reserve pali and chaperone and I slew out a ton of rounds. Using what you said about handling and using the right tool for the job kept popping up in my head as I played and it helped a TON. Thank you!
i was so excited for this vid and wasn’t disappointed. great content! i was kinda disappointed with my roll till i saw this video. fluted, accurized, explosive, eye of the storm. handling masterwork however☹️
You did not skip over a single perk/perk combo. You did an AMAZING job being objective with stat combos instead of saying “just go range perks” like lots of other videos. Can’t wait to see what you post in the future!
I just wanted to point out that Adept Palindromes DO NOT drop with OFA selectable, only bottomless grief. If they did I would have stopped farming a long time ago....
Yeah, my mistake, when I saw that on d2gunsmith I just took it for granted but I didn’t realize. Sorry about that! Hope you get the roll you’re looking for soon.
hahaha fair enough and thank you so much! appreciate it :) tldr of the video is both of them are super good, and while I think fatebringer is better they are both extremely good choices
Great video and insightful My only gripe is the lists of “special pairings” You make out like Fatebringer has the better options, maybe before the shotgun nerf I’d agree But nothing right now compares to Chaperone or Bastion except maybe Lord Of Wolves Eye Of Sol is comparable to all them snipers, as is succession. Riiswalker is arguably the best shotgun in the game that isn’t a slug I don’t know man I think you’ve got it backwards or it’s neck and neck here, it’s not a clear win for Fatebringer
@@Gjerda It probably boils down to personal preference on this one definitely, I’ve just been utterly clapped by someone using lord of wolves in comp so now I’m doubting myself haha! Another thing I should have mentioned, how do you feel timelost Fatebringer compares to other kinetic 140s like Ace Of Spades, Thorn etc? Because if you aren’t taking an exotic special like Felwinters, retold take, uzume etc.. You still taking the time lost Fatebringer or are you using an exotic?
I think it is easily as good as the exotic 140s because of its beefy stats, explosive payload and the ability to socket adept icarus. And good question, personally I really like slug shotguns these days and I think duality is extremely good right now, so I I’m pairing my fatebringer with duality
@@Gjerda Thanks man, I really appreciate you taking time to reply to me! I’ve subbed liked and shared your video to my clan! That’s a great point about adept icarus, I hadn’t thought of that. I think a lot of people (me included) see a gold exotic and automatically assume it’s better than all it’s legendary counterparts. Which isn’t always the case is it. That’s fair man, I do love Duality myself, I only started playing in season of the chosen after a long break and I’ve only just bought Duality and I’m currently working through the catalyst. I mainly use my palindrome (Smallbore - ricochet - QuickDraw- rangefinder) and it’s pretty much due to my obsession with Chaperone, but I am looking forward to getting a nice timelost Fatebringer to give that a run out, mine was not had frenzy and osmosis as the extra perks, I need to spend some spoils haha
Sure thing! And thank you so much, wow, very kind. Yeah adept icarus is huge, and best wishes with duality! I find it has very generous in air accuracy, more so than chappy, but after a kill chappy becomes god tier, of course
Listened to just the Fatebringer section and realized you are literally one of the most knowledgeable people of Destiny 2. So many truths I’ve seen scattered throughout random Reddit threads. Subbed and thank you!
This was one of, if not, THE BEST and most well put-together god roll video I’ve seen on RUclips. The editing was insanely well done and all the graphics/charts were very well made and helped tremendously. I look forward to future videos and definitely subscribing.
I only subscribed yesterday, this is the third video of yours I've seen. Your method of explaining and comparing is clear and concise. You sir, have just become my favorite technical D2 RUclipsr
What a great comparison vid, very long but everything is here. Thanks for taking all that time to make this video. I hope you make more amazing content like this in the future :)
Excellent points all the way through. I agree that there should be competitive modes much more focused on raw gunplay but there needs to be an emphasis on ability targeted modes in order to "reduce" the skill gap in most modes. That being said, the idea of having a playlist emphasizing duel based, skill based gunplay is intriguing....
It’s interesting. I never considered either roll you mentioned to be even close to competitive, but after listening to this insane breakdown, I’m convinced that everything I thought I knew was wrong. Great video!
This is some Coolguy level analysis and enjoyablility for sure, and that's the highest award I can bestow on a detailed weapon review vid. Thanks so much, this will encourage me to get my own!
So happy after 25+ rolls for a fatebringer(timelost) my final 25 spoils got me the exact 5/5 godroll from this video. Thank god, now i can move on to a better hezens vengence.
Dang that was long, but 1.5 speed for the win. However the way you presented the content was top shelf my friend, you deserve way more subs. Fantastic content great way to spend my lunch
Love the style and editing of this video. This is the sort of content I was looking for regarding Destiny 2, and I can't believe I'm just now discovering this channel. I loved this vid, and hope many more like this (Hopefully for PvE as well) come out in the future. Excellent in-depth work.
Wow thank you so much that is really wonderful to hear! I will keep it up. Not quite sure what to do next, but it’ll definitely be in my style like this one.
I have been playing destiny for over 3000 hours and I thought I knew everything there was to know, but then I watch this video and it teaches me 3 whole new things I didn't even think about?? definitely earned a sub
What a small world! I matched you the other day in rumble and now here I am finding this video. New sub from me, fantastic vid and mark my words your content is gonna blow up
Couldn't agree more with the first statement someone else said. Earned a new sub from me as well. Love how well-rounded this review was. tbh, it was pretty much a complete, high-quality review of each of these guns separately and then comparing them after the fact. Super informative and lots of good information that new players might not know about. Fantastic vid, looking forward to more content
Subbed for this video alone. Awesome layout and really informative. Would love more comparisons like this (eye of sol vs adored for example, multimach vs Shayura)
dude. i jsut wanna appreciate the ammount of work you¨put into this video, its filled with great knowledge and im very happy to have found your channel. Amazing video very comprehensive.
God, what a video. +1 Sub for the sheer depth and expertise to discuss literally everything that can be considered when comparing these two guns. Thank you for such a fantastic video.
Excellent video dude 👍👍 I would like to add that with the way ammo economy is in PVP right now I guarantee nobody is having a gunfight with primaries at 30 plus metres
What a sick video. That's a instant sub!!!! The explanation the chill music in the background. It's on of those grab a nice snack and learn something video love it !!
I'm a new viewer and this video was stellar. You really come from the 3v3 consistency mindset which I prefer, and make your opinions known on why stuff like stability and handling matter more than just getting fullbore. Really appreciate teh content, and you have definitely earned my sub. P.S. doesn't hurt that this just validates the fact that I was right in thinking my TLFB was a god roll. Literally perk for perk your recommendations. It has been amazing paired with adept uzume.
Wow thank you so much, I really appreciate it! Yep, just saying “get high range” is so unhelpful and unrealistic imo. Congrats on the god roll :) enjoy that! Wish I had it!
This video is unbelievably comprehensive and helpful! Thank you so much! With the launch of Festival of the Lost 2021 I would love to see a comparison of Jurassic Green and Darkest Before, both being energy 540 pulses.
This has been on the watch list for a while now and I’m so disappointed in myself for making it wait so long. This is SUPER hepful informaton and, no doubt, took an incredible amount of work. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and experience with us
Great video. I’ve been waiting for people to address how great fluted barrel is. 70 handling paired with a ready and stow animation decrease (dexterity perks) feels almost like QuickDraw. Although you don’t need fluted if you’re running dragons shadow or ophidians. You’ve earned a sub.
I still prefer corkscrew that gives little of everything hammer forged isn't worth it since it only gives 0.7 meter one corkscrew even with rangefinder smallbore is very good as well
I mean honestly it just comes down to which fits into your build Energy based special weapon? Fatebringer Kinetic special? Palindrome seems kinda easy to me
I thought I was going to waste 30 mins on a video but boy was I wrong. I learned quite a bit from this video and now I understand why my fatebringer (eye of the storm, explosive payload, steady rounds, range mw, small bore) feels a lot better dueling vs my pali. Plus it feels a lot better using my found verdict pairing vs the riiswalker pairing.
@@Gjerda omg, I went into my vault and found a fluted barrel, accurized, range mw, EP, eye of the storm one. Had no idea I had a 5/5 god roll. I was complaining that I had fluted barrel too, but I stand corrected
Personally I love pairing energy weapons like CQC and Uzume, but the thin frame and solid sounds that the pali make, makes the gun feel so much more clean. Overall great video about two great guns.
Thank you for this very informational comparison, definitely going to be grinding for some better hand cannon roles. I really need to know- are you console, or PC? Because some of the jump shooting in this video is crazy.
Managed to get fullbore accurized rounds killclip with stability mw on my first and only timelost fate and I gotta say, it feels really crispy once you get used to it. Probably my favorite in slot kinetic hc at the moment.
So I got High Impact, QD, Ricochet, small bore and Range MW on my Adept Pali. Fatebringer I have two versions: EOTS, and the other with Kill clip. Both has stability MW however the one with kill clip has accurized rounds. However I prefer EOTS fatebringer even though, it doesn't have Range MW or Accurized rounds. It just feels more consistent and I almost always come out on top in my duels. Hoping to get the god roll one day. 🙏 Great Video man, I cant belive I watched the whole thing and didn't realise 30 mins had gone by... easy!
Very new to pvp after avoiding it for so long and picked up a fatebringer with handling masterwork. Not the best roll but the swap/ready is so crispy that I don't mind getting a tad closer for engagements. Definitely understand now.
30 MINUTES LET ME MAKE A SANDWICH BABY
CAN I HAVE ONE?!
Did you actually?
First off I would like to say you've earned yourself a new sub. I went into this video thinking that my paindrome would be the cream of the crop handcannon for me.... but you've convinced me that TLFB is where is at. Thanks for the work you put into comparing two of my favorite guns, great video!!!
Oh dang thank you very much for the kind words & subscription, I appreciate it a lot! It was really fun to make this one. Aiming to do more in the future :)
Same here! So glad I foud you! Thank you for your effort.
Tbf i dont think that they really compete with each other that much bcs they are in different slots and the final choice should be made based on special of your choice
Not a nightfall player at all and i really struggle because of that
I have godroll judgement, good fatebringer (not a raider either) and godroll dire promise, but my favourite sniper is my op shot+snapshot eye of sol
I would personally gladly use both fb and palindrome
Currently i pretty much only use duality and adored (which i dont like at all, just a much worse version of my beloved), but a decent palindrome wouldve let me run riis and eye
This is the most well thought-out and put-together weapon review/comparison I’ve ever watched! Thanks for all the research and hard work you put into it. Each rationale for each perk is a video in itself. Awesome job sir
Wow thank you so much :) very kind! Thanks
Castle sent me ;) this production value is nuts though and your recommendations and reasons for them are extremely well laid out. Excellent video, going to rethink opening shot being the godroll on my timelost fatebringer!
Ayy thanks so much! Welcome to the channel :)
At the end of the day, use what you enjoy! But I know I’ll be using a fatebringer once I get the god roll. Spent 400 spoils last night and didn’t get it yet.
Also I misspelled “with” in the end screen title card :P
Following up on my previous comment, while thinking outside the box and notably understanding the vast difference in stability Performance on Console, here we go.
Your comment on Opening Shot is understandable and I respect your understanding on BLOOM by the 3rd Shot while showing the IMAGES, however, Opening Shot negates this for the 1st Shot and technically a Weapon with Opening Shot the 2nd Shot follow up Shot is the like the 1st Shot shown on the IMAGE and you won’t see the bloom that is depicted in the 3rd IMAGE until nearly the 4th or 5th Shot.
Something to think about.
I got it on my 28th spoils purchase. Keep going and good luck!
Thanks Cooper!
@Christopher Jacobs okay that’s actually very interesting, hadn’t thought about it that way! I would say that probably makes it tied with Eye Of The Storm. Avoiding the bloom for a bit longer is really nice
I've spent around 3000 spoils so far and have only gotten 4/5 rolls so far. I will only accept a 5/5 on such an easily farmable gun but I'm starting to go insane.
The first time bungie has added 2 weapons that are almost perfectly balanced with each other
What about palindrome/eyasluna
@@inspirationalflight1638 eyasluna was just better. Pali was easier to get that's the only reason it was so popular.
O.G. Thorn and Last Word.
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@@jpgduff I wouldnt count that, both were insanely broken which doesn’t mean they are balanced with eachother
I got recommended here by Castle and I must say: he didn’t lay about the quality of the content. Very nice indeed! Although I disagree on some of the points (e.g. that tac mag makes it not a god roll or the extended barrel discussion) because I value things differently here on console, yet it was an excellent point of reference!
Edit: rewatched it for the handeling part. Very interesting indeed. Maybe I have to go back on the extended barrel thing. Got to get me a new TLFB after all. Yet, I am gonna miss the 100 recoil direction.
Thanks for stopping by! And yeah that is totally fair, I should’ve mentioned I am on PC so that definitely affects my opinion, and higher stability/better recoil direction might be the best play for console/controller. I only switched to MnK ~year ago so I can definitely relate to my controller brothers out there
Great video! Very informative even to an experienced player. Never heard someone say “handling is your TTK” but it’s true for many engagements
Thank you so much!
swap speed caps out at 24 frames or is it 26? either way most weapons can get very close to this with double dexterity and like one handling perk like quick draw quick charge threat detector etc, but with base 50 handling double quick access double dexterity any two weapons can get 32 frames thats stow and ready the difference between 24 and 32 in time is 0.266, so 0.8 and 1.033 1/5 of a second still very impactful considering a 150 was only .07 faster than a 140 and that mattered a-lot two weapons at 100 handling is 26 frames after a certain point adding more handling when you have modifiers becomes a waste really still helps with ads but even that gets boosted with targeting mods. with just double dex the ideal handling id say would be 80 if one weapon had less than 80 put double dex on that gun but if they both 80 put one on each. however with double quick access you can go 70 on both and get 26 27 frames and if you have a handling perk just put the handling the perk gives you somewhere else quick charge gives a weapon 25 or 30 handling put the extra points in range stability. modifiers are better the less handling-you have the more effective they are.
Great video. Liked and subscribed. But - there is one thing you overlooked. A lot of people have been saying that Fatebringer feels off. It’s harder to hit headshots with it. There was speculation that it had a strange recoil pattern or that EP did something weird to hit boxes , but that clearly isn’t the case. In fact, the reason why Fatebringer feels bad for some people is the gun model itself. It has a prominent laser sight on the left side. Whenever you fire, the laser sight rises and blocks your line of sight to the target. It makes it much harder to track targets and land follow up shots. Not a deal breaker, but certainly a disadvantage. It’s really noticeable for me. O love Fatebringer, but it feels worse than Austringer or Pali for this reason.
Good point, I should’ve spent a bit more time on that because it is certainly an issue for a lot of people in the community. And thank you so much for the sub!
I noticed this as well when I first started using this gun but after using a little and getting some better rolls, it is a non issue. But definitely a learning curve.
Holy hell this a full on documentary and I love it
I got a Timelost last week with hammer forged, accurized, killing wind and eye of the storm with stability mw. I was a bit disappointed at first but glad I saw this video and it feels really good in the crucible.
Very nice! That sounds godly!!
Honestly straight to the point, making note of recoil and Stabilty cones as well as perk viability.
I hope we see more of this soon, and you deserve a subscribe too.
Thank you so much
This video was expert level in terms of editing, voice quality (you could definitely do voice acting if you want to) and information. Everything was laid out so perfectly. Subscription well earned
Wow dang thank you so much! I really appreciate it. Have a great day man!
@@Gjerda Same to you!
Tried both god rolls out in high tier pvp. They’re very alike, at the end of the day it’s down to preference. Although, most people will like Pali more because of the better hit registration.
I honestly love fatebringer. But pali is good.
I agree fate bringer is a little inconsistent although I only have the god roll Pali.
Going through the comments, I always notice that well thought out, rationale-heavy videos seem to bring out respectful debate and discussion amongst the commenters. Almost like it removes the toxic folks or convinces them to behave otherwise, lol
Hahaha this is so true, there’s still some knuckleheads out there, but far fewer in long videos which is great! Allows the rest of us to enjoy the discussion
Great comparison! The effort you've put into making this video is really noticable! Looking forward to seeing more and more comparison videos :)
Thank you so much! :D right on, I will definitely do more in the future once two items like this naturally come head to head again
Hello Gjerda! Please do a video about exotic hand cannons! That would be amazing! After watching this review it makes every other one I’ve seen look so dry and shallow. Would love to see a deep dive into more weapons. Thanks!
Hi! Well thanks so much and that is a good idea, I think I will do more head to head comparisons like this, it was pretty fun and a lot of people liked it :)
2500 Subs? Wtf just happened? :D I remember when I told you that I can't wait to see you at tenthousands of subs and now it seems like your channel is (finally) getting the attention it deserves :D I'm so glad to see this! :D Congratulations and all the best to you Gjerda, keep up the great work!
Hahaha thank you, I know dude it’s nuts this is going pretty fast! It’s awesome to see all the new people and the OG fans too. Thanks Hankey 🙏
I came here following Castle's recommendation, and boy am I glad I did! I learned so much. Keep them coming! Have a like, a comment, and a sub! 😁
Ayyy awesome, thank you so much!
Hey man, not sure why I’m just now finding your channel, but I really enjoy your chill vibes. Keep up the good stuff
Thank you :) I will
That duality action tho.
Another great vid! Really liked how much depth you went into with this one. Wonderful job
Ayyy thanks buddy :) have a great day Cole man
I watched this entire video and then saw your sub count. I'm in shock dude. Super underrated
Hahaha dude meeee toooo some days lol
But hey it’s super fun to make the videos, so that’s why I’m here. Thanks for watching! Have a good day :)
Informative video. But i disagree on one thing. Given the dominance of long range special weapons in elimination modes, high-cal should get buffed. And not get explosive payload nerfed, which is more of a visual "flinch" anyway.
Good point!
This is top tier content. Great stuff dude. Also, adept palindrome doesn’t guarantee one for all on the drop. That’s just the curated roll. The only think guaranteed is bottomless grief for all nightfall weapons, just like celerity for trials weapons. Just thought I’d mention it for people expecting their palindromes to drop with two guaranteed perks like time lost weapons even though I know no one cares about one for all in pvp
Thank you so much! And yes good point, I didn’t realize that due to d2gunsmith but fortunately OFA doesn’t affect its pvp rating. Bottomless grief rules! Thanks for watching :)
What I got from this is to get both and use either one depending on what weapon you wanna pair it with
Absolutely
you don't understand how helpful this video was for me when playing trials on cauldron in solo que. I brought my killing wind high impact reserve pali and chaperone and I slew out a ton of rounds. Using what you said about handling and using the right tool for the job kept popping up in my head as I played and it helped a TON. Thank you!
Dang that’s awesome! I love to hear it. Well done dude :)
i was so excited for this vid and wasn’t disappointed. great content! i was kinda disappointed with my roll till i saw this video. fluted, accurized, explosive, eye of the storm. handling masterwork however☹️
Thank you so much! And oh wow I would kill for that role! Guess I gotta go kill templar 500 more times and then atheon too :P
You did not skip over a single perk/perk combo. You did an AMAZING job being objective with stat combos instead of saying “just go range perks” like lots of other videos. Can’t wait to see what you post in the future!
Thank you so much! I appreciate it a ton! I will keep it up
I just wanted to point out that Adept Palindromes DO NOT drop with OFA selectable, only bottomless grief.
If they did I would have stopped farming a long time ago....
Yeah, my mistake, when I saw that on d2gunsmith I just took it for granted but I didn’t realize. Sorry about that! Hope you get the roll you’re looking for soon.
look... I didn't absorb any of that information but I watched the whole vid for the music, your voice and the clips in the background. Subbed
hahaha fair enough and thank you so much! appreciate it :) tldr of the video is both of them are super good, and while I think fatebringer is better they are both extremely good choices
Great video and insightful
My only gripe is the lists of “special pairings”
You make out like Fatebringer has the better options, maybe before the shotgun nerf I’d agree
But nothing right now compares to Chaperone or Bastion except maybe Lord Of Wolves
Eye Of Sol is comparable to all them snipers, as is succession.
Riiswalker is arguably the best shotgun in the game that isn’t a slug
I don’t know man I think you’ve got it backwards or it’s neck and neck here, it’s not a clear win for Fatebringer
Thank you! Fair enough, I hear ya, that area is tight
@@Gjerda It probably boils down to personal preference on this one definitely, I’ve just been utterly clapped by someone using lord of wolves in comp so now I’m doubting myself haha!
Another thing I should have mentioned, how do you feel timelost Fatebringer compares to other kinetic 140s like Ace Of Spades, Thorn etc? Because if you aren’t taking an exotic special like Felwinters, retold take, uzume etc.. You still taking the time lost Fatebringer or are you using an exotic?
I think it is easily as good as the exotic 140s because of its beefy stats, explosive payload and the ability to socket adept icarus. And good question, personally I really like slug shotguns these days and I think duality is extremely good right now, so I I’m pairing my fatebringer with duality
@@Gjerda Thanks man, I really appreciate you taking time to reply to me! I’ve subbed liked and shared your video to my clan!
That’s a great point about adept icarus, I hadn’t thought of that. I think a lot of people (me included) see a gold exotic and automatically assume it’s better than all it’s legendary counterparts. Which isn’t always the case is it.
That’s fair man, I do love Duality myself, I only started playing in season of the chosen after a long break and I’ve only just bought Duality and I’m currently working through the catalyst.
I mainly use my palindrome (Smallbore - ricochet - QuickDraw- rangefinder) and it’s pretty much due to my obsession with Chaperone, but I am looking forward to getting a nice timelost Fatebringer to give that a run out, mine was not had frenzy and osmosis as the extra perks, I need to spend some spoils haha
Sure thing! And thank you so much, wow, very kind.
Yeah adept icarus is huge, and best wishes with duality! I find it has very generous in air accuracy, more so than chappy, but after a kill chappy becomes god tier, of course
I love this type of content. This and the blink video are my 2 favorite d2 videos in the last months
Thanks :)
Now I’m more happy about my Eye of the Storm roll 😃
Nice :)
Listened to just the Fatebringer section and realized you are literally one of the most knowledgeable people of Destiny 2. So many truths I’ve seen scattered throughout random Reddit threads. Subbed and thank you!
Dang thank you so much! Appreciate it
fighting lion for life thou
So much work was put into this! Fantastic job! You're going strait to the top!
Thank you so much! :D
This was one of, if not, THE BEST and most well put-together god roll video I’ve seen on RUclips. The editing was insanely well done and all the graphics/charts were very well made and helped tremendously. I look forward to future videos and definitely subscribing.
Dang thank you so much! That is so great to hear, and I will keep it up 🙏
I only subscribed yesterday, this is the third video of yours I've seen. Your method of explaining and comparing is clear and concise. You sir, have just become my favorite technical D2 RUclipsr
Wow thank you so much, that’s awesome! I appreciate it a ton 🙏
I found my way here and honestly I was sceptical, but now I'm a Subscriber.
well right on gamer glad to hear it
The production value and research of this video is the real S+ tier thing here! Great video! Definitely just subbed!!!
Thank you so much!
Not only was this video super clean but you pronounced Uzume correctly. S++ for that
Hahaha thanks
What a great comparison vid, very long but everything is here. Thanks for taking all that time to make this video. I hope you make more amazing content like this in the future :)
Thank you so much! I will endeavor to do so. Seems like people really liked this one which is lovely to see
very in depth look at 2 of the best hand cannons currently
140 have always been a favorite of mine
good video
Thanks buddy!
Excellent points all the way through. I agree that there should be competitive modes much more focused on raw gunplay but there needs to be an emphasis on ability targeted modes in order to "reduce" the skill gap in most modes. That being said, the idea of having a playlist emphasizing duel based, skill based gunplay is intriguing....
So refreshing to see someone suggest other perks than range. Very useful tips and a fantastic vid. well done
Thank you so much! Yeah imo range is the most overrated stat on any gun
It’s interesting. I never considered either roll you mentioned to be even close to competitive, but after listening to this insane breakdown, I’m convinced that everything I thought I knew was wrong. Great video!
Well thanks so much, appreciate it! Hope the knowledge serves you well
What a top video! Loved the chill out vibe too! These are my two favourite weapons in D2 right now!
thank you! me too :)
Honestly I didn’t realise how long this vid was but I was impressed very well thought out, I even subbed
Thanks!
This is some Coolguy level analysis and enjoyablility for sure, and that's the highest award I can bestow on a detailed weapon review vid. Thanks so much, this will encourage me to get my own!
Thanks :)
So happy after 25+ rolls for a fatebringer(timelost) my final 25 spoils got me the exact 5/5 godroll from this video. Thank god, now i can move on to a better hezens vengence.
Yoooo nice that’s awesome
Dang that was long, but 1.5 speed for the win. However the way you presented the content was top shelf my friend, you deserve way more subs. Fantastic content great way to spend my lunch
Thank you very much!
Love the style and editing of this video. This is the sort of content I was looking for regarding Destiny 2, and I can't believe I'm just now discovering this channel. I loved this vid, and hope many more like this (Hopefully for PvE as well) come out in the future. Excellent in-depth work.
Wow thank you so much that is really wonderful to hear! I will keep it up. Not quite sure what to do next, but it’ll definitely be in my style like this one.
I was watching and just checked ur subs and HOLY you're underrated as hell! Thought you were a lot bigger because the quality of the video was insane
Hahaha thank you so much! Yeah hopefully we can grow a bit here lol
I have been playing destiny for over 3000 hours and I thought I knew everything there was to know, but then I watch this video and it teaches me 3 whole new things I didn't even think about?? definitely earned a sub
Yo thank you very much, that’s awesome!
Holy smokes this video was amazing. Found it by complete chance too. I love the way you look at the game in an interesting perspective.
Yo thank you so much, awesome to hear!
What a small world! I matched you the other day in rumble and now here I am finding this video. New sub from me, fantastic vid and mark my words your content is gonna blow up
Oh hello! That’s awesome, small world. Thank you so much :)
Couldn't agree more with the first statement someone else said. Earned a new sub from me as well. Love how well-rounded this review was. tbh, it was pretty much a complete, high-quality review of each of these guns separately and then comparing them after the fact. Super informative and lots of good information that new players might not know about. Fantastic vid, looking forward to more content
Wow thank you so much, I really appreciate it! I will certainly endeavor to make future content in this style as well.
Really enjoyed the vid thanks! I’m sure you spent ages on this so well done
I did haha, thank you!
First video of yours I've seen, I liked it! Good stuff, keep it coming please!
Thanks!
Subbed for this video alone. Awesome layout and really informative. Would love more comparisons like this (eye of sol vs adored for example, multimach vs Shayura)
Thank you so much! That’s a good idea, maybe I will post a poll for the next one. They take a while to make but I’ll get started soon
dude. i jsut wanna appreciate the ammount of work you¨put into this video, its filled with great knowledge and im very happy to have found your channel. Amazing video very comprehensive.
Thank you so much! Appreciate it! :)
The first Pali role i got is exactly the high impact reserve -bottomless grief -fluted barrel - riccochet rounds...by the way superb video
Ayyy that’s awesome! Enjoy that! And thanks very much :)
God, what a video. +1 Sub for the sheer depth and expertise to discuss literally everything that can be considered when comparing these two guns. Thank you for such a fantastic video.
Thank you for the kind words :) have a great day!
Nice review bro, keep up that quality and good things will come. Good stuff!
Thank you! I will try!
Excellent work I’m sure you spent hours making this video!! Attention to detail on point
Thank you so much! I did haha, but it was worth it, and fun to do for sure.
Superb work, you’ve earned a new sub and I shared with all my player base.
Thank you so much! Appreciate it 🙏
29:08 That cheer though!! 🤩 🎉
Fantastic & detailed guide!
Haha thanks!
Fantastic video, Looking forward to your other content!
Thank you so much! I will do another video soon but I think not til the new season drops :)
This was extremely well put together. Thanks for making this!
Well thank you very much, I appreciate it. Happy to!
@@Gjerda btw looking through my vault I found your godroll timelost fb, but a handling me instead of range :(
Ahh dang, well still that is absolutely a godly roll! You should definitely try that in pvp, I would kill for that roll
@@Gjerda thanks! I have another with frenzy, range, accurized with full bore/ corkscrew
and I've been liking that one a lot (I main ophidian storm lock)
The only time I got a Palindrome (normal version) I got one with hammer-forged, flared magwell, quickdraw, rangefinder and handling mw. Felt good
Oh wow very nice!
Excellent video dude 👍👍
I would like to add that with the way ammo economy is in PVP right now I guarantee nobody is having a gunfight with primaries at 30 plus metres
Absolutely haha
And thank you!
What a sick video. That's a instant sub!!!! The explanation the chill music in the background. It's on of those grab a nice snack and learn something video love it !!
Thank you so much! Awesome to hear
I'm a new viewer and this video was stellar. You really come from the 3v3 consistency mindset which I prefer, and make your opinions known on why stuff like stability and handling matter more than just getting fullbore. Really appreciate teh content, and you have definitely earned my sub.
P.S. doesn't hurt that this just validates the fact that I was right in thinking my TLFB was a god roll. Literally perk for perk your recommendations. It has been amazing paired with adept uzume.
Wow thank you so much, I really appreciate it! Yep, just saying “get high range” is so unhelpful and unrealistic imo. Congrats on the god roll :) enjoy that! Wish I had it!
This video is unbelievably comprehensive and helpful! Thank you so much! With the launch of Festival of the Lost 2021 I would love to see a comparison of Jurassic Green and Darkest Before, both being energy 540 pulses.
Thanks so much for the kind words and for watching. That’s a great idea and I will consider doing it if I have time!
Super high quality video buddy, this is the type of PVP content I seek to quench my thirst as a GodRoll Hunter lol
Thank you very much! I will keep it coming
quality is INSANE! subbed and notifications on 🥴
Yooo THANK YOU 😤
This has been on the watch list for a while now and I’m so disappointed in myself for making it wait so long. This is SUPER hepful informaton and, no doubt, took an incredible amount of work. Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom and experience with us
Thanks for watching! :D sure thing, glad you liked it
Just found this channel and I'm always happy to sub to a stat focused channel!!
Thanks, and welcome to the channel!
Why am I curious on the shader used on palindrome in the thumb nail 😂 great video, new sub
Great video. I’ve been waiting for people to address how great fluted barrel is. 70 handling paired with a ready and stow animation decrease (dexterity perks) feels almost like QuickDraw. Although you don’t need fluted if you’re running dragons shadow or ophidians. You’ve earned a sub.
Thanks! Yeah I think handling is pretty underrated
I still prefer corkscrew that gives little of everything
hammer forged isn't worth it since it only gives 0.7 meter one corkscrew even with rangefinder
smallbore is very good as well
You definitely earned another sub from me ty for explaining I'm looking forward to getting my timelost on Tuesday
Thanks!
Subbed. You’re a real one for this insanely intricate breakdown. Thank you
Thank YOU too!
This is an absolute banger of a video amazing production value!
Yo thank you so much!
You’ve answered the question that keeps me up at night
Well there ya go that’ll be $4.99
Just kidding thanks for watching
I mean honestly it just comes down to which fits into your build
Energy based special weapon? Fatebringer
Kinetic special? Palindrome
seems kinda easy to me
if you pick builds based on the special as the priority, sure thing, but sometimes people approach from the primary first perspective
the quality of this vid is amazing and i need to get a raid team together to do this so bad, i need that roll😭 thanks for the vid
Thank you so much! Yeah you do :)
for the basic fatebringer small bore is the best barrel option cause it gives -2 range but brings ur stability up to 68. with + 6
This video was fire from beginning to end… thx man!
Ay thank you very much!
I thought I was going to waste 30 mins on a video but boy was I wrong. I learned quite a bit from this video and now I understand why my fatebringer (eye of the storm, explosive payload, steady rounds, range mw, small bore) feels a lot better dueling vs my pali. Plus it feels a lot better using my found verdict pairing vs the riiswalker pairing.
Ayy that’s awesome to hear! Thanks so much for watching and for the comment. Glad you learned somethin
@@Gjerda for sure. You earned a new subscription!
@@Gjerda omg, I went into my vault and found a fluted barrel, accurized, range mw, EP, eye of the storm one. Had no idea I had a 5/5 god roll. I was complaining that I had fluted barrel too, but I stand corrected
Oh my god hahahah I want that so bad. Congratulations! What a fun find!!
After watching your vid, i spent 240 spoils and got the exact same best of the best God roll Timelost Fatebringer! I’m so happy
YO NIIIIICE THATS AWESOME. I am so jealous. Have fun!!
Love these kinds of videos. Jus what i was looking for. New sub dude👍🏻
Thank you :)
Personally I love pairing energy weapons like CQC and Uzume, but the thin frame and solid sounds that the pali make, makes the gun feel so much more clean. Overall great video about two great guns.
It definitely wins the sleekness competition. And thank you!
Very well done video!! well done man!!
Thanks!
Thank you for this very informational comparison, definitely going to be grinding for some better hand cannon roles. I really need to know- are you console, or PC? Because some of the jump shooting in this video is crazy.
Thanks! I am on mouse & keyboard on PC but until about a year ago I was on controller on pc and ps4
Amazing vid man! Subbed. Keep up the great content
Thank you so much! Will do
Managed to get fullbore accurized rounds killclip with stability mw on my first and only timelost fate and I gotta say, it feels really crispy once you get used to it. Probably my favorite in slot kinetic hc at the moment.
So I got High Impact, QD, Ricochet, small bore and Range MW on my Adept Pali.
Fatebringer I have two versions: EOTS, and the other with Kill clip. Both has stability MW however the one with kill clip has accurized rounds. However I prefer EOTS fatebringer even though, it doesn't have Range MW or Accurized rounds. It just feels more consistent and I almost always come out on top in my duels. Hoping to get the god roll one day. 🙏 Great Video man, I cant belive I watched the whole thing and didn't realise 30 mins had gone by... easy!
Thanks haha! Yeah dude I totally agree, EOTS is next level, I want it on every gun
@@Gjerda it's so good on Hawkmoon too! It's nuts! Love that perk!
This video is incredibly well done 👍 thank you for the in depth break down
Thank you so much! Sure thing :)
Very new to pvp after avoiding it for so long and picked up a fatebringer with handling masterwork. Not the best roll but the swap/ready is so crispy that I don't mind getting a tad closer for engagements. Definitely understand now.
Great comparison, can I ask what site you're using in the video to see the detailed stats and perk list ?
Sure thing that’s d2gunsmith.com and thanks for watching