When the time comes, I’m sure you will find that dividing head to be really useful, despite any inherent faults. A little fettling and it will perform very well. Hopefully one day we will enjoy watching you cut some gears. Thank you for sharing. Very interesting and enjoyable. 👏👏👍😀
Thanks for another great video Michel. I think that particular dividing head would be nice for production runs. For quick projects not so much. But its pretty lol. What I do find totally amazing is your Deckel. Such an elegant machine with so much versatility. I hope to see it in person some day. Tks for the referral mon ami. A bientot. Gilles
The Deckle is such a fantastic and versatile machine. If they had imported them into the U.S. in significant quantities, I am sure I would be looking for one if I didn't already have one. The myriad of accessories for it is rather impressive.
Doing the math on the combined angle is possible - but it'll be different vise to vise and part to part. The more stickout you have from the vises' rotation axis, the more the angle will change... This of course also applies to the distance center-to-table. While possible, I agree that it is far more practical to just use the eye-crometer on this one.
Thanks for sharing. Stefan Gotteswinter just made a new video about his new to him Deckel. I think if you mounted your dividing head on a plate that would bolt to your table it would be much easier to use. Remove the studs and use socket head cap screws.
If in doubt, figure it out. Got me a dividing head. [Rock n roll sounds] Big and cumbersome takes to much to set up.....one day to put it on another to take off...[more Rock n roll] Oh baby ........baby. You know I am going to leave you. Leave on the shelf yes I am. Leave you when the better comes alongggggg. Lol many of my tools are not the best. I just do my best with what I have till I must have better. Or when a Deckel becomes available. Always a great job Michael.
I'm confused ,but I'm old and stupid.Thank god my wife is a good cook or I'd starve.Thank's for pointing this out.I used to think I was smart just because I graduated high school.In 77 years I've learned almost nothing but I still have hope Humanity went from the stone age and now we are about to blow ourselves back.Keep machining.I know I will .Good to see you doing well and dispensing wisdom we all need right now.God bless Michel your amazing
I found out about compound angles as an apprentice machining form blocks on a shaper using a 3 axis compound vice, I think as you did, set 2 of the angles as drawing, then eyeballed the 3rd one. Dividing head looks a very nice tool 🔧. Thanks for sharing
Hi Rusti, nice addition to your mill. As you have had to already straighten one shaft, my guess is that the unit has been dropped at some time. Next time you strip it, check the straightness of the worm shaft. If it has had a bump, it may be what is causing the tight spots when engaged with the worm wheel. If you have any specific questions on the head, feel free to email me (I am no expert but I have a small amount of experience, I can at least tell you how not to count holes in the plate lol). Cheers, Jon
Interesting content Rustinox. Why don't you take the whole revolving angle base off your dividing head and just make a flat one to replace it. That way it will just bolt to your table quickly without any hassle. Tony
Rusti, I think the perfect solution for you to cut hexes and the like is a collet block. They use 5C collets and can be used in your vice. Now, if you have a longer piece wit a lot of stickout I am not sure it's the best solution, but for cutting hexes (or squares depending on the collet block) on small-ish items, I think it's perfect.
I think the original Deckel dividing head came with 3 plates with 27,31,34,41,43 holes, 33,38,39,42,46 holes and 36,37,40,58 holes, and I think you have the middle plate in that list - if I've counted correctly 🙂That's assuming that the import dividing head followed the Deckel design. I think it's 40 turns of the handle for 1 turn of the main spindle. So, if the number of gear teeth (or other feature) that you want to cut divides (with no remainder) into 40 x one of the hole counts then you can cut that number of features. e.g. You want to cut 15 teeth? 15 divides into (40x27) so you would be able to cut 15 teeth using the 27 hole ring. Then you just need to work out how far to turn the handle. That's just 40/15, or 2 & 2/3 turns, or 2 turns and 18 of the 27 holes. (You could also use the 33 hole ring or the 39, or 42, or 36 hole rings because 15 divides into 40x33, 40x39, 40x42 & 40x36.)
What a smart design. I cringe changing out my dividing head with the vise. Not hard work, just that I am assured 10-15 minutes of fumbling around centering it up. Only to find I picked the wrong t-slot and now hit the mill - LOL. Great job. I will make it my mission to find a Deckel for cheap here in the US. Thanks to your video I will know what it is while other folks discard it for a Bridgeport. Knowledge is power! Great video as always. Dan
Good video, I like how you explain the topics. For low cost indexing (with a number of options) you can purchase a spin index fixture (e.g PF70-5C). It just bolts to your mill table so it is easy to setup. I don't know how much they would cost where you are, but they are around $60 in the US. Here in NZ where I live they are almost $500 for the exact same model!! how crazy is that? I'm just about to start building one for my next project.
Hi Michel, I laughed out loud when you prodded that imperial collet away, very funny!!! Watching you do some gear cutting would be very interesting I'm sure. Great video, very enjoyable to watch!! Good luck from Spain!!
You sure lucked out with that machine, Rusti 😊. No way you'd ever find anything like that around here. If you did you'd have to take out a mortgage on your house or sell a kidney 🤣. You've got the tools man. I think with a little ingenuity you could make that indexer top notch. If anyone can it's you. 😁 Cheers! 🍻
Gday, that’s a nice dividing head with the support arm, I’ve never seen this type before, I think with a bit of tweaking you’ll have the unit as good as new, thanks for sharing, cheers
that's a lovely looking dividing head. very interesting design. also, completely agree with your comment on asking questions. i think many people worry about asking as they think it'll make them look stupid. there are never any stupid questions! and everyone has to learn at some point. thanks also for putting my sticker on the door.. all the best, phil
Michel, in case no-one has already mentioned this, try looking at Clickspring's videos. In at least one (I hope _not_ only on Patreon), he shows how to make an involute gear cutter by using a single tooth fly-cutter. He also shows how to make multiple tooth gear cutters, but I _think_ that was on Patreon. I look forward to seeing how you choose to use this indexing head!
When you talk about compound angles it recalls to my mind the work the old school carpenters did framing lumber for gables and jacks on a cottage roof. My dad figured those out when he was younger, but I never caught on myself. enjoyed the video. cheers Michel!
What a cool style of dividing head...haven't seen anything like it before...funny thing, my big rotary table and dividing head both have sticky spots when I crank the handles as well
As every time, once more a really fine video! Your faszination and luck, working within your workshop is feelable and there is allways Entertainment from the finest! Best greetings from Austria!
G'day Rusti. Interesting way to fit the dividing head but it's takes a fair bit of work to fit it. Looks like you need to fit another base so it can bolt directly to the table. Cheers Peter
Really fun to watch as always. I have a dividing head too and have yet to use it in anger other than a bolt circle - I look forward to seeing how it pans out with you - we have faith!
I have seen simple little indexing heads, just a... simple... oh, I guess you have seen them! Like a tailstock, but it has the rotary mechanism, and a simple set of holes, like 24 of them so you can make 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, and then maybe 1 degree or something like that. Simple. Small. Not so much money. "Spindexer", they sometimes call them. I think you can just clamp it on the normal mill table, and go, when you don't need the complex motion of the big dividing head. Nice vid. I like that mill a lot. I think I would have trouble with the lifting and the lifting and the lifting. :-) I would have a broken back and a broken toe before it was over. But it's capable. Small footprint. No wonder people want them so much!
Haha!! I very much enjoyed the joke of pushing the imperial collet ayay with a stick! ...If only the US had adoped the metric system when the rest of the world did, machining (and pretty much everything else involved with building things) would be a lot simpler. Keep up the good work.
Dear sir, I am so excited about this type of deviding head, but unfortunately there are few videos about this type, I hope you will have some projects in near future , I am so excited to see. Thank you sir for sharing.
G'day Rusti, poking the imperial collet with a stick is about the funniest thing I've seen on RUclips! P.S. It's not necessary to use your precious time to reply to this or other comments to say thanks. I'm sure you've got better things to do!
I always appreciate your willingness to share your projects with us. As far as that indexer, I have never come across one like that before. Good luck with your search for a more suitable tool.
Another great video! I have not used a dividing head myself but have watched videos of others using them and I think you will have no problem learning. I am anxious to see what new projects you make using the dividing head!
this was very good .i have a dividing head , but like so many have not seriously used it , because i am not up to speed yet. i like your mill , but what a load of effort to use the head, cheers
Hi Michel, it's always Edu-Taining to watch, learn a bit and giggle with your videos. Thank you. If you have the time and patience, strip it down and clean it again - blue all of the mating and working parts to see what is contacting properly or not. Your worm screw may need shims or spacers to keep the teeth engaged and it's just too hard to see all of this when it is all put together. Stay safe and well :)
I've never seen a dividing head like that before, mostly just the Brown & Sharpe style and associated knock-offs. Is yours modeled after an original Deckel piece of equipment?
Hi Rusti, although chinese that dividing head seems to be good and rigid. With a little fettling I'm sure you'll get it turning smoothly. (I've sent you an email with some info). Cheers Kevin
I have had to deal with the problem of compound angles in carpentry, and i dont know what the correct way to calculate it is my workaround was to look at the rotation as a proportion of the other angles compared to 90°, so your two main angles are 15°. 15 as a percentage of 90 is 16.67%, 16.67% of 15° is 2.5 which is short of your 4 but heading in the right direction. By brain gets fuddled by maths and i never was much good at it.
Thank you so much! That makes total sense now. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. By the way, doesn't your FP1 have a power feed built in?
That dividing head looks very similar to the Deckel manufactured one that Stephan showed with his FP1 . I'm curious if that overarm support will fit your milling head?
What a strange dividing head. Hope you'll find a manual for it. Being a Belgian, I'm sure you'd be able to decipher a German one. And find some original parts for it.
I don't understand why you needed to compensate? I've never seen anybody except you that compensated on the angle of the diamond tool holder! I Used 12° and 12° without "compensating" it work beautifully!! All the best, Matthew
If I don't compensate while cutting the slot, I have to set the finished toolholder at 86° in the toolpost of the lathe. This could give clearence problems with the chuck.
@@Rustinox Sorry, i don't understand why ! Here's a video of my tangental tool holder at 12° and 12 ° no compensation! ruclips.net/video/INHxMOnuxdsh/видео.htmlttps://ruclips.net/video/INHxMOnuxds/видео.html
@@Rustinox The 15 x 15 x 4 degree slot creates more tool bit clearance to cut to and out of a shoulder. Also, as the tool bit tip stick out increases more clearance is gained for the likes of tool bit clamping hardware to the left.
@@Rustinox Metrication in Canada began in 1970, they started teaching it in my schools about 1975, so I was already well entrenched in the imperial system and pretty much still am. Even in The Machinist program in college (1987) Imperial was still the main system taught.
Hey Rusti! Great to see another video. For an in-depth explanation of how to use a dividing head, I'd recommend This Old Tony's Video on the subject (ruclips.net/video/qVN2jrn4Kuo/видео.html). If you just want the info on how to use the tool itself, you can skip to the section titled "Dividing Head". It's fantastic to see you expanding your skillset. I can't wait to see what you have planned.
If we are allowed to make stupid suggestions, could you be missing the taper rollers from that nose bearing? It would explain the problems you are having at the other end, but is there room on those threads? 😁
Hi Michel, Have you found out if the ratio of the dividing head is 40:1 (which I think is normal for dividing heads) or 90:1 ratio, (which appears to be used in Rotary table adaptions), (as an aside I have the rotary table adaption). Once you know that, there are tables - sites on the net, that figure out the the number of divisions per rotation and tell you which plates and holes to use. I assure you it is not that complicated, I managed to figure it out by myself. I have cut a pinion gear for my lathe, that attaches to the carriage and connects to the rack. The other option is to have various sided blocks that take collets and you just turn the block in your vice, while holding the work piece... Cheers
A good addition to your capabilities, but they tricked you! Now you are forced to do some mathematics - but don't worry - just think of it as counting turns and holes and you'll cope just fine 😉
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Wise words indeed: "If you don’t know you don’t know -not a problem. If you don’t want to know -that’s a problem!"
Thanks. And I believe it myself :)
When the time comes, I’m sure you will find that dividing head to be really useful, despite any inherent faults. A little fettling and it will perform very well. Hopefully one day we will enjoy watching you cut some gears. Thank you for sharing. Very interesting and enjoyable. 👏👏👍😀
I will make it work. For sure.
Next project: hex and square collet block ! Good video as always
Excellent idea! Enjoyed watching as usual!
Sounds like a plan.
Thanks for another great video Michel. I think that particular dividing head would be nice for production runs. For quick projects not so much. But its pretty lol. What I do find totally amazing is your Deckel. Such an elegant machine with so much versatility. I hope to see it in person some day. Tks for the referral mon ami. A bientot. Gilles
You know that youre very welcome, Gilles.
The Deckle is such a fantastic and versatile machine. If they had imported them into the U.S. in significant quantities, I am sure I would be looking for one if I didn't already have one. The myriad of accessories for it is rather impressive.
It's indeed a very nice machine.
Doing the math on the combined angle is possible - but it'll be different vise to vise and part to part. The more stickout you have from the vises' rotation axis, the more the angle will change... This of course also applies to the distance center-to-table.
While possible, I agree that it is far more practical to just use the eye-crometer on this one.
Indeed, trial and error method is much easier :)
The knot you describe we call a waterman's knot. Very strong! Excellent video as always thank you.
Thanks. It's a knot we use also in climbing.
Thanks for sharing. Stefan Gotteswinter just made a new video about his new to him Deckel. I think if you mounted your dividing head on a plate that would bolt to your table it would be much easier to use. Remove the studs and use socket head cap screws.
I've been thinking of doing just that. We'll see...
If in doubt, figure it out. Got me a dividing head. [Rock n roll sounds]
Big and cumbersome takes to much to set up.....one day to put it on another to take off...[more Rock n roll]
Oh baby ........baby. You know I am going to leave you. Leave on the shelf yes I am. Leave you when the better comes alongggggg.
Lol many of my tools are not the best. I just do my best with what I have till I must have better. Or when a Deckel becomes available.
Always a great job Michael.
Using what you have and being happy with it. That's the point.
I'm confused ,but I'm old and stupid.Thank god my wife is a good cook or I'd starve.Thank's for pointing this out.I used to think I was smart just because I graduated high school.In 77 years I've learned almost nothing but I still have hope Humanity went from the stone age and now we are about to blow ourselves back.Keep machining.I know I will .Good to see you doing well and dispensing wisdom we all need right now.God bless Michel your amazing
Well, there wasn't much wisdom in this one :)
Bwahaha when you pushed away the imperial collet with the stick 😂😂😂😂
Stupid little joke :)
While you have the dividing head set up you could make a hex collet holder.
Cheers
That's an idea.
Poking that imperial collet with a stick made me chuckle. 😄
Lol, thanks.
Even if it's imported. It is a great addition to the workshop. Great video Rusti.
Regards.
Steve.
Thanks. For me, this will do just fine.
I found out about compound angles as an apprentice machining form blocks on a shaper using a 3 axis compound vice, I think as you did, set 2 of the angles as drawing, then eyeballed the 3rd one.
Dividing head looks a very nice tool 🔧.
Thanks for sharing
For my workshop, itwill do.
Hi Rusti, nice addition to your mill. As you have had to already straighten one shaft, my guess is that the unit has been dropped at some time. Next time you strip it, check the straightness of the worm shaft. If it has had a bump, it may be what is causing the tight spots when engaged with the worm wheel. If you have any specific questions on the head, feel free to email me (I am no expert but I have a small amount of experience, I can at least tell you how not to count holes in the plate lol). Cheers, Jon
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Thanks for your offer, Jon.I just have to take the time to fix it properly. For the moment I don't really need it.
Interesting content Rustinox. Why don't you take the whole revolving angle base off your dividing head and just make a flat one to replace it. That way it will just bolt to your table quickly without any hassle. Tony
I just have to take the time to figure something out. One day...
Rusti, I think the perfect solution for you to cut hexes and the like is a collet block. They use 5C collets and can be used in your vice. Now, if you have a longer piece wit a lot of stickout I am not sure it's the best solution, but for cutting hexes (or squares depending on the collet block) on small-ish items, I think it's perfect.
That was one of the most useful tools I added to my shop. I have two, both use ER32 collets, but love it, Bear.
I'vs been thinking of that...
I LOVE THAT MACHINE, MORE FEATURES THEN I KNOW HOW TO USE, LOTS OF LEARNING POSSABLE.
It's a nice toy indeed.
I think the original Deckel dividing head came with 3 plates with 27,31,34,41,43 holes, 33,38,39,42,46 holes and 36,37,40,58 holes, and I think you have the middle plate in that list - if I've counted correctly 🙂That's assuming that the import dividing head followed the Deckel design.
I think it's 40 turns of the handle for 1 turn of the main spindle. So, if the number of gear teeth (or other feature) that you want to cut divides (with no remainder) into 40 x one of the hole counts then you can cut that number of features.
e.g. You want to cut 15 teeth? 15 divides into (40x27) so you would be able to cut 15 teeth using the 27 hole ring. Then you just need to work out how far to turn the handle. That's just 40/15, or 2 & 2/3 turns, or 2 turns and 18 of the 27 holes.
(You could also use the 33 hole ring or the 39, or 42, or 36 hole rings because 15 divides into 40x33, 40x39, 40x42 & 40x36.)
Thanks for your imput, Eric. I just have to take the time to study the thing.
What a smart design. I cringe changing out my dividing head with the vise. Not hard work, just that I am assured 10-15 minutes of fumbling around centering it up. Only to find I picked the wrong t-slot and now hit the mill - LOL.
Great job. I will make it my mission to find a Deckel for cheap here in the US. Thanks to your video I will know what it is while other folks discard it for a Bridgeport. Knowledge is power!
Great video as always.
Dan
Thanks Dan. I'm working on an "easier to install" system.
Good video, I like how you explain the topics. For low cost indexing (with a number of options) you can purchase a spin index fixture (e.g PF70-5C). It just bolts to your mill table so it is easy to setup. I don't know how much they would cost where you are, but they are around $60 in the US. Here in NZ where I live they are almost $500 for the exact same model!! how crazy is that? I'm just about to start building one for my next project.
Thanks. I'm working on an easy setup idea now.
Good one . The compound angle formula is a complicated one ! Have a look at Stephan Gotteswinter's latest video on his Deckle .
I've watched Stefan's video. Good one.
Hi Michel, I laughed out loud when you prodded that imperial collet away, very funny!!! Watching you do some gear cutting would be very interesting I'm sure. Great video, very enjoyable to watch!!
Good luck from Spain!!
Thanks David. I'm not there yet.
You sure lucked out with that machine, Rusti 😊. No way you'd ever find anything like that around here. If you did you'd have to take out a mortgage on your house or sell a kidney 🤣.
You've got the tools man. I think with a little ingenuity you could make that indexer top notch. If anyone can it's you. 😁
Cheers! 🍻
Thanks Chris. With the fp1 combined with the shaper, I can make... everything :)
Gday, that’s a nice dividing head with the support arm, I’ve never seen this type before, I think with a bit of tweaking you’ll have the unit as good as new, thanks for sharing, cheers
It's a Deckel clone model. Overengineerd as usual with German stuff :)
that's a lovely looking dividing head. very interesting design. also, completely agree with your comment on asking questions. i think many people worry about asking as they think it'll make them look stupid. there are never any stupid questions! and everyone has to learn at some point. thanks also for putting my sticker on the door.. all the best, phil
Thanks Phil. My pleasure.
Michel, in case no-one has already mentioned this, try looking at Clickspring's videos. In at least one (I hope _not_ only on Patreon), he shows how to make an involute gear cutter by using a single tooth fly-cutter. He also shows how to make multiple tooth gear cutters, but I _think_ that was on Patreon. I look forward to seeing how you choose to use this indexing head!
Thanks for the tip, Bob. I will have a look at it.
When you talk about compound angles it recalls to my mind the work the old school carpenters did framing lumber for gables and jacks on a cottage roof. My dad figured those out when he was younger, but I never caught on myself. enjoyed the video. cheers Michel!
Angles and fractions an so... not my thing :)
I think universal machines prove the saying
"Jack of all trades .. Master of none"
Well, it depends on what you use it for.
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Thanks Rusti, always enjoyable 👍
Thanks Dudley.
That’s why I have a square and hex collet block holder!
Need some too.
What a cool style of dividing head...haven't seen anything like it before...funny thing, my big rotary table and dividing head both have sticky spots when I crank the handles as well
It's a Deckel clone, but I don't think it's for fp1.
good video rustinox..thanks for your time
Thanks.
As every time, once more a really fine video! Your faszination and luck, working within your workshop is feelable and there is allways Entertainment from the finest! Best greetings from Austria!
Thanks. I have indeed a good time in the workshop.
G'day Rusti. Interesting way to fit the dividing head but it's takes a fair bit of work to fit it. Looks like you need to fit another base so it can bolt directly to the table.
Cheers Peter
Working on it, Peter.
Great video rusty,keep'um coming.
That's the plan.
Really fun to watch as always. I have a dividing head too and have yet to use it in anger other than a bolt circle - I look forward to seeing how it pans out with you - we have faith!
Thanks William. I have no plans for it yet, but one day...
I have seen simple little indexing heads, just a... simple... oh, I guess you have seen them! Like a tailstock, but it has the rotary mechanism, and a simple set of holes, like 24 of them so you can make 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 12, and then maybe 1 degree or something like that. Simple. Small. Not so much money. "Spindexer", they sometimes call them. I think you can just clamp it on the normal mill table, and go, when you don't need the complex motion of the big dividing head.
Nice vid. I like that mill a lot. I think I would have trouble with the lifting and the lifting and the lifting. :-) I would have a broken back and a broken toe before it was over. But it's capable. Small footprint. No wonder people want them so much!
I'm working on a simplifiied setup system. Stay tuned for the next video.
Haha!! I very much enjoyed the joke of pushing the imperial collet ayay with a stick! ...If only the US had adoped the metric system when the rest of the world did, machining (and pretty much everything else involved with building things) would be a lot simpler.
Keep up the good work.
We just have to live with it :)
Dear sir, I am so excited about this type of deviding head, but unfortunately there are few videos about this type, I hope you will have some projects in near future , I am so excited to see. Thank you sir for sharing.
Thanks Yousef. Stay tuned.
For just making a hex, you can use a 6-sided (or 12-sided) collet block.
Nice video, as usual.
I will see if I can make some. That could be fun.
Congratulations on winning the rough cut contest. That is very nice nice square he made ans gave to you
Thanks.
G'day Rusti, poking the imperial collet with a stick is about the funniest thing I've seen on RUclips!
P.S. It's not necessary to use your precious time to reply to this or other comments to say thanks. I'm sure you've got better things to do!
But, answering comments is precious to me too...
Love your work with the Deckel as always. Now, was that a new table vice or one your reconditioned?
It's the small vise I normally use on the shaper.
I always appreciate your willingness to share your projects with us. As far as that indexer, I have never come across one like that before. Good luck with your search for a more suitable tool.
Thanks Patrick. I will.
Watched all that and learnt a lot thanks. Cheers
Thanks Paul.
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Thanks Steve W Illiams :)
Another great video! I have not used a dividing head myself but have watched videos of others using them and I think you will have no problem learning. I am anxious to see what new projects you make using the dividing head!
Thanks Rik. I will figure it out.
Very much enjoyed, thanks!
Thanks.
Hello Michel,
Good video, it would be nice to see you tackle gear cutting sometime in the future... Great stuff...
Take care.
Paul,,
Gears? One day... for sure.
this was very good .i have a dividing head , but like so many have not seriously used it , because i am not up to speed yet. i like your mill , but what a load of effort to use the head, cheers
I'm sure you will use it one day. Just for fun.
A dodecohedron collet block will make your life easier for cutting flats.
Set up times slashed.
I've been thinking about that...
@@Rustinox Use it in the lathe as a collet chuck too.
Very handy. Like all this stuff our own imagination is the limit to what can be done with things
the only stupid question is the question you don’t ask
Spot on.
Hi Michel, it's always Edu-Taining to watch, learn a bit and giggle with your videos. Thank you.
If you have the time and patience, strip it down and clean it again - blue all of the mating and working parts to see what is contacting properly or not.
Your worm screw may need shims or spacers to keep the teeth engaged and it's just too hard to see all of this when it is all put together.
Stay safe and well :)
Thanks Anthony. The health care of this thing is on the "to do" list.
@@Rustinox Yes, it will be a bit tedious so save it for a rainy day when you can play loud music & zone out from everything else.
Congrats on the Prize!
Thanks Steven.
Maybe a good project could d be to make yourself a pair of collet blocks to take your deckel collets so you can do such operations in the vice.
That's a good idea.
The easiest way to determine the angles is to have someone else do it 😅
And hoping he's got it right :)
@@Rustinox when it comes to mathematics I tend to struggle a bit but I always find a solution.
I've never seen a dividing head like that before, mostly just the Brown & Sharpe style and associated knock-offs. Is yours modeled after an original Deckel piece of equipment?
Indeed. It's a copy of a Deckel.
Hi Rusti, although chinese that dividing head seems to be good and rigid. With a little fettling I'm sure you'll get it turning smoothly. (I've sent you an email with some info). Cheers Kevin
Email received, Kevin. Thank you very much.
Hey! You won Calem’s tool give away!
Thanks for letting me know.
I have had to deal with the problem of compound angles in carpentry, and i dont know what the correct way to calculate it is my workaround was to look at the rotation as a proportion of the other angles compared to 90°, so your two main angles are 15°. 15 as a percentage of 90 is 16.67%, 16.67% of 15° is 2.5 which is short of your 4 but heading in the right direction. By brain gets fuddled by maths and i never was much good at it.
Every time I have to calculate something my hair falls out, so I try to avoid it :)
Thank you so much! That makes total sense now. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. By the way, doesn't your FP1 have a power feed built in?
With great pleasure, Bruce.
The FP1 has auto feed on x- and z- axes. The y (head) doesn't.
That dividing head looks very similar to the Deckel manufactured one that Stephan showed with his FP1 . I'm curious if that overarm support will fit your milling head?
It' is the same, but mine is made in China.
What a strange dividing head. Hope you'll find a manual for it. Being a Belgian, I'm sure you'd be able to decipher a German one. And find some original parts for it.
I will figure it out. Sure thing.
I don't understand why you needed to compensate? I've never seen anybody except you that compensated on the angle of the diamond tool holder! I Used 12° and 12° without "compensating" it work beautifully!! All the best, Matthew
If I don't compensate while cutting the slot, I have to set the finished toolholder at 86° in the toolpost of the lathe. This could give clearence problems with the chuck.
@@Rustinox Sorry, i don't understand why ! Here's a video of my tangental tool holder at 12° and 12 ° no compensation! ruclips.net/video/INHxMOnuxdsh/видео.htmlttps://ruclips.net/video/INHxMOnuxds/видео.html
@@Rustinox The 15 x 15 x 4 degree slot creates more tool bit clearance to cut to and out of a shoulder. Also, as the tool
bit tip stick out increases more clearance is gained for the likes of tool bit clamping hardware to the left.
Thanks
Welcome.
Good video. Watching you use that endmill begs the question - how do you sharpen your endmills?
Thanks. There are a lot of youtube vids out there that shows how to sharpen endmills.
Michel, your joke about the 5/8" collet brings to mind a question... when did Belgium adopt the metric system, and did it use imperial before that?
I had to look it up myself :)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_units_of_measurement
@@Rustinox wow, the Pre-metric Units seem as complicated as the British monetary system... ;)
@@Rustinox Metrication in Canada began in 1970, they started teaching it in my schools about 1975, so I was already well entrenched in the imperial system and pretty much still am. Even in The Machinist program in college (1987) Imperial was still the main system taught.
Hey Rusti! Great to see another video. For an in-depth explanation of how to use a dividing head, I'd recommend This Old Tony's Video on the subject (ruclips.net/video/qVN2jrn4Kuo/видео.html). If you just want the info on how to use the tool itself, you can skip to the section titled "Dividing Head".
It's fantastic to see you expanding your skillset. I can't wait to see what you have planned.
Thanks for the tip, woof.
If we are allowed to make stupid suggestions, could you be missing the taper rollers from that nose bearing? It would explain the problems you are having at the other end, but is there room on those threads? 😁
No bearings in this thing. It's probabely a bent in the small shaft.
Hi Michel, Have you found out if the ratio of the dividing head is 40:1 (which I think is normal for dividing heads) or 90:1 ratio, (which appears to be used in Rotary table adaptions), (as an aside I have the rotary table adaption). Once you know that, there are tables - sites on the net, that figure out the the number of divisions per rotation and tell you which plates and holes to use. I assure you it is not that complicated, I managed to figure it out by myself. I have cut a pinion gear for my lathe, that attaches to the carriage and connects to the rack. The other option is to have various sided blocks that take collets and you just turn the block in your vice, while holding the work piece... Cheers
I haven' took the time yet to study the thing, but one day I will.
A good addition to your capabilities, but they tricked you! Now you are forced to do some mathematics - but don't worry - just think of it as counting turns and holes and you'll cope just fine 😉
Thanks Russel. I'm sure I will figure it out.