I know I said "Coincidences" instead of "Coincidence". I was tired okay... I hope you all enjoyed the video! This is a story I've wanted to talk about for a long time and think it has some interesting implications. Let me know all your thoughts down below chooms and have a great week! See ya in the next videos :)
One interesting bit of lore from Phantom Liberty, in the notes for Songbird when you're getting a briefing from Reed and Alex and viewing the contents of a shard they give you to slot, you can see entries regarding the Blackwall that state Netwatch fabricated the story that they were the ones who created the Blackwall. They take credit for it, but they lie. Nobody actually knows where the Blackwall came from 😮
About a week ago i was literally wishing for a video on this specific lore. When i was avoiding that damn robot reading whatever shards and computers i could i was like " holy f*ck"
When Phantom Liberty first came out, it was a pain trying to discover all the shards and computers in Cynosure. I ended up having to clip back in later and finding new entries. I have a video on Cynosure that will cover everything you can find as well!
@@LayedBackGamers Nice! Ill check that out later. I was finally able to get a ps5 the other month and do my first PL playthrough. Can't wait to go back and see what i didn't find the first time.
Yeah the locations are all relatively easy to find like the Edgerunners locations in game. Besides that though, couldn't find any reference to a character or the experiment itself
Both V and So Mi are in the end hybrids and both are seeked by Mr Blue Eyes,likely affitiated with Night Corp.Thats the biggest takeaway from 77 about V but it gets sidelined by"major leagues".Btw an interesting easter egg for this who are carefull,in the monitor of So Mi's pod in the Killing Moon in the lower left is the Night Corp logo.But by all accounts shouldnt be there as they are antagonistic with Orbital Air.Tying with the No Coincidence novel I think its a clear hint to where things will go in Orion.
@@Lomaisundisputed I bet it,there are plenty of clues pointing to that .Mr Blue Eyes offering a cure to both V and So Mi being in both the Killing Moon and the Dont Fear the Reaper,the cliffhanger of the Crystal Palace heist the hints of the 5th Corpo War,Night Corp.Also went Associate Narrative Director Pawel Sasko was asked if V's story is over,said he can't answer it because of spoilers.Add that CDPR does trilogies with one character both the previous Witcher games with Geralt and the upcoming Polaris are/will be trilogies.Also the second cut dlc that didnt come out.
@@Heresiarches9274I’d love to see V return. I got so immersed with his character. Particularly of the Corpo life path. Things just won’t be the same without Johnny though 😢
Human uploading and human AI hybrid conciousnesses have been a central part of the setting since the first example module. They are also a cornerstone of the genre. Snowcrahs, GitS, Deus Ex all had it as their final twist.
What I don't udnerstand about the Old Net in Cyberpunk lore - it's not some "magic" cyberspace that exists outside the realm of humans. It's computers. Servers. Data-centers. If they are physically isolated, disabled or destroyed, Old Net is no more. Rogue AI is no more. "Invaluable data" seems like a plot device. With the computing power and ever-growing capabilities of the megacorps, most of this data could have been replicated ten times over...
The old net probably exists across distributed botnets sequestered in a billion random hobo's old cyberware. In abandoned soviet arctic research stations, in decomissioned comsats. Sure, you can destroy the old server farms, but I dont think thats an obstacle for maintaining a decentralized network.
@lif6737 yes, this does make sense. However, I can't imagine all this stuff not requiring a LOT of computing power to facilitate the AIs. Don't believe it's so hard to pinpoint and deal with. Bunkers also don't have an infinite power supply, and all tech, including hypothetical nuclear powerplants which may be poweing said bunkers, needs maintainance. A lot of it. The Old Net is either cared for by sufficiently wealthy, tech-savvy groups, or it will slowly die.
I think of the Old Net as a foundation for the modern day framework of the whole net. Much like how in our real world governments and billion dollar companies use old software because it was reliable so all future data system became tied to this old software. One change to the old software and it could cause a butterfly effect on banks, transportation, satellites, communications..
The way it was explained to me is you'd have to destroy every computer that can connect to the net and only then could you add an uncompromised comp otherwise it would be compromised. The botnet is all encompassing and pretty much always reinfecting new comps
The events of No Coincidence take place around before you and Jackie go to the all foods plant as DumDum is a big character in that story… So I wonder if there’s any N54 news clips or radio dialogue that talks about the events
I didn't realize that there was an audiobook version of this! I bought the physical one right when it came out with the intent to rad it right away, but got a bit busy, and only finished it around a month ago. It's a really interesting book and a great look into a unique and intriguing scenario in Night City. Great video as always!
Something very similar happened with me, I pre-ordered it and all. Got half way through, then postponed finishing it for months. Glad I finally did, but must admit trying to summarize it well was difficult with all the perspective shifts. Which is why I was so afraid of making this video LOL. Thanks for the support choom, maybe we could do a live stream sometime.
I really can't wait for project orion, the lore can expand in such a cool way with the ai war set up. I hope theres even more in depth immersion elements because night city already feels like one of the most lived in game settings without as many.
Given how extensive and far-reaching the Nightcorp/Mr. Blue conspiracy is, the AI may have already won a shadow war and already quietly control human society.
Just finished the audiobook No Coincidence read (acted) by Fem V's marvelous VA Cherami Leigh. It's excellent and fittingly bleak. No spoilers, I loved it.
I was surprised to see a lot of discussion on people not enjoying the read. I think it was primarily because of the perspective shifts. I loved the new Lore and the stories of each character though!
Though that's not the only mystery in [No_Coincidence] as Aya's adopted daughter, a seemingly autistic child who appeared to show more interest in her tablet computer, suddenly joined Maelstrom at the end and somehow possessed enough clout/knowledge to order a group of them to stop firing their weapons at Aya and Zor......that's still weird to me......
I was waiting for a video about no coincidence to be made by someone like you, thank you fr. No hate to other creators but other videos about no coincidence aren't as good as this
It's never been confirmed, but Pondsmith has hinted at it being Santiago Aldecaldo(nomad aldecaldo). Which generally makes the most sense. It might have actually been confirmed in one of the recent books since Trace was in another adventure. Haven't checked though!
@@Heresiarches9274 V is more an accidental hybrid from sloting in the Relic and Songbird is an involuntarily one due to AI demonic-style possession and both are aware of what they are. An unknowing Manchurian Candidate style protagonist would be a different take.
Someone clarify the Lore for me, when maelstrom was trying merge human with the AI Lilith was it trying to do the same thing or am I way off base here? Maybe I just need to watch the video all the way through through. 😅
I can see a point where Biotechnica's Cloning project intersects with Arasaka's Relic program as well as Militech's Neural Mesh in order to create "avatars" for various rogue AI's.
It's like playing a new game when you suddenly have more knowledge of the world and it's characters, factions, etc. I can certainly say my first playthrough felt nothing like my second!
After watching through the video i think the theory that V is a hybrid consciousness working at the behest of either Night Corp or Militech checks out. Their memory is noted as spotty by Jackie and Claire, the point about the heist being unavoidable despite people like myself who weren't even spoiled on the story smelling how fishy the job was from miles away as if V was hypnotically compelled to do it. Edit: i realized V is almost assuredly a hybrid AI consciousness even in the tower ending. V says something that really does encapsulate Militech "they dont forgive, they don't forget" they KILLED Meredith if she fails her job to find the convoy and they sent a hit squad after Lt Mower after her loyal service and subsequent cyberpsychotic break. So if V knows too much about project cynosure or helped Songbird incite an international incident, why did they save them? Because the Neural Matrix wasn't just used to isolate and neutralize the engram but also to further the research into controlling hybrid consciousness and winning the war brewing in cyberspace. V's track record would make them a valuable winter soldier as stated in another theory, so Militech not only gets control over Adam Smasher's superior but the ability to possibly extend this level of control to other subjects. The neural matrix to contain and control AI, the relic to inject AI personality constructs, these two things in tandem would give Militech the ability to dominate the battlefield in both real and cyberspace.
Watching this 2 months from being uploaded, on BBC news 12th August, they mentioned that people can use AI to grieve their loved ones. There was a clip of a korean lady, wewring a vr headset, with her daughter (digital) in front of her, her daughter died at a young age, so this AI used data gathered from the young girl, to show how she woild look when older, and with the voice as well, she would be essentially be meeting her daughter in the virtual realm. I think its already happening, we know how to use AI to form a "personality", layer it with audiovisual interaction to help people "grieve better." Im aorry but its quite insane, it should not be uses for that reason, im auee theres better things to do, humanity is such a paradox.
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I know I said "Coincidences" instead of "Coincidence". I was tired okay...
I hope you all enjoyed the video! This is a story I've wanted to talk about for a long time and think it has some interesting implications. Let me know all your thoughts down below chooms and have a great week! See ya in the next videos :)
no problem amigo
One interesting bit of lore from Phantom Liberty, in the notes for Songbird when you're getting a briefing from Reed and Alex and viewing the contents of a shard they give you to slot, you can see entries regarding the Blackwall that state Netwatch fabricated the story that they were the ones who created the Blackwall. They take credit for it, but they lie. Nobody actually knows where the Blackwall came from 😮
Even in death you're not safe from corpos ...
They'll make sure you're their slave forever
About a week ago i was literally wishing for a video on this specific lore. When i was avoiding that damn robot reading whatever shards and computers i could i was like " holy f*ck"
When Phantom Liberty first came out, it was a pain trying to discover all the shards and computers in Cynosure. I ended up having to clip back in later and finding new entries. I have a video on Cynosure that will cover everything you can find as well!
@@LayedBackGamers Nice! Ill check that out later. I was finally able to get a ps5 the other month and do my first PL playthrough. Can't wait to go back and see what i didn't find the first time.
in the opening scene of Edgerunners the building that is on fire is the only allusion to "No Coincidence" that I've recognized
Yeah the locations are all relatively easy to find like the Edgerunners locations in game. Besides that though, couldn't find any reference to a character or the experiment itself
Whenever there’s a new lifeform, you can bet that greedy corporations will try to take advantage.
Facts! From Alien to Jurassic park they always try to make that bread
@@capitalcity1971 Sad how true to life that is.
Both V and So Mi are in the end hybrids and both are seeked by Mr Blue Eyes,likely affitiated with Night Corp.Thats the biggest takeaway from 77 about V but it gets sidelined by"major leagues".Btw an interesting easter egg for this who are carefull,in the monitor of So Mi's pod in the Killing Moon in the lower left is the Night Corp logo.But by all accounts shouldnt be there as they are antagonistic with Orbital Air.Tying with the No Coincidence novel I think its a clear hint to where things will go in Orion.
You think V will be the protagonist in the sequel ?
@@Lomaisundisputed I bet it,there are plenty of clues pointing to that .Mr Blue Eyes offering a cure to both V and So Mi being in both the Killing Moon and the Dont Fear the Reaper,the cliffhanger of the Crystal Palace heist the hints of the 5th Corpo War,Night Corp.Also went Associate Narrative Director Pawel Sasko was asked if V's story is over,said he can't answer it because of spoilers.Add that CDPR does trilogies with one character both the previous Witcher games with Geralt and the upcoming Polaris are/will be trilogies.Also the second cut dlc that didnt come out.
@@Heresiarches9274I think you've got me convinced.
@@Heresiarches9274I’d love to see V return. I got so immersed with his character. Particularly of the Corpo life path. Things just won’t be the same without Johnny though 😢
Human uploading and human AI hybrid conciousnesses have been a central part of the setting since the first example module. They are also a cornerstone of the genre. Snowcrahs, GitS, Deus Ex all had it as their final twist.
What I don't udnerstand about the Old Net in Cyberpunk lore - it's not some "magic" cyberspace that exists outside the realm of humans. It's computers. Servers. Data-centers. If they are physically isolated, disabled or destroyed, Old Net is no more. Rogue AI is no more.
"Invaluable data" seems like a plot device. With the computing power and ever-growing capabilities of the megacorps, most of this data could have been replicated ten times over...
The old net probably exists across distributed botnets sequestered in a billion random hobo's old cyberware. In abandoned soviet arctic research stations, in decomissioned comsats.
Sure, you can destroy the old server farms, but I dont think thats an obstacle for maintaining a decentralized network.
@@egoalter1276 that does make sense.
@lif6737 yes, this does make sense. However, I can't imagine all this stuff not requiring a LOT of computing power to facilitate the AIs. Don't believe it's so hard to pinpoint and deal with. Bunkers also don't have an infinite power supply, and all tech, including hypothetical nuclear powerplants which may be poweing said bunkers, needs maintainance. A lot of it.
The Old Net is either cared for by sufficiently wealthy, tech-savvy groups, or it will slowly die.
I think of the Old Net as a foundation for the modern day framework of the whole net. Much like how in our real world governments and billion dollar companies use old software because it was reliable so all future data system became tied to this old software. One change to the old software and it could cause a butterfly effect on banks, transportation, satellites, communications..
The way it was explained to me is you'd have to destroy every computer that can connect to the net and only then could you add an uncompromised comp otherwise it would be compromised. The botnet is all encompassing and pretty much always reinfecting new comps
The events of No Coincidence take place around before you and Jackie go to the all foods plant as DumDum is a big character in that story…
So I wonder if there’s any N54 news clips or radio dialogue that talks about the events
Isn’t V technically a Human AI hybrid given Johnny is a embed construct?
I didn't realize that there was an audiobook version of this! I bought the physical one right when it came out with the intent to rad it right away, but got a bit busy, and only finished it around a month ago. It's a really interesting book and a great look into a unique and intriguing scenario in Night City. Great video as always!
Something very similar happened with me, I pre-ordered it and all. Got half way through, then postponed finishing it for months. Glad I finally did, but must admit trying to summarize it well was difficult with all the perspective shifts. Which is why I was so afraid of making this video LOL.
Thanks for the support choom, maybe we could do a live stream sometime.
I really can't wait for project orion, the lore can expand in such a cool way with the ai war set up. I hope theres even more in depth immersion elements because night city already feels like one of the most lived in game settings without as many.
CDPR decided to switch engines so sadly we’ll likely have to wait approximately a decade for the next title.
imagine the world comes to an end skynet style because one corp decided to poke at the rouge AI a bit too hard
It could definitely happen seeing as the corps never learn from their mistakes.
Given how extensive and far-reaching the Nightcorp/Mr. Blue conspiracy is, the AI may have already won a shadow war and already quietly control human society.
I doubt V will come back as a protagonist, but I do feel like it's possible for our next protagonist to be half AI.
Just finished the audiobook No Coincidence read (acted) by Fem V's marvelous VA Cherami Leigh. It's excellent and fittingly bleak. No spoilers, I loved it.
The theory that the NUSA was behind V getting the relic in the first place changes the entire progression of the narrative. I'm all for it.
Man, i would really like to watch mini series about story from the book.
I'd kill for an anthology type series of different Legends
love your channel bro keep it up best cyberpunk lore youtuber!
Thanks a lot choom, that means a lot to me and I'll continue working as hard as possible to be worthy of that praise. I hope you continue to enjoy
I bet that mysterious container was full of Protoculture relics. That's why Zor was after it.
This story was so good when I finished it was like wow this was amazing what a twist at the end
I was surprised to see a lot of discussion on people not enjoying the read. I think it was primarily because of the perspective shifts. I loved the new Lore and the stories of each character though!
Been looking forward to this video since before you announced you were doing it!
I wanted to make it way back before Phantom Liberty but held off 😭
I just finished the book recently. Had to sit quiet for a bit while trying to sort out all the details that got revealed in the last chapter.
I could tell your videos take alot of work and effort!!!! Well done choomba and keep it up!!!
I try my best to in between work and school, so I really appreciate the kindness choom!
I read this book right after its release. I think it's great, as a fan of the game and the Edgerunners series, I'm delighted with the book.
Have a great voice for reading to these stories absolutely amazing
Underestimated comment, one of my main criteria for listening to lore videos is the speech and voice.
Though that's not the only mystery in [No_Coincidence] as Aya's adopted daughter, a seemingly autistic child who appeared to show more interest in her tablet computer, suddenly joined Maelstrom at the end and somehow possessed enough clout/knowledge to order a group of them to stop firing their weapons at Aya and Zor......that's still weird to me......
I just finished listening to the book and had a feeling it’d be in this video 🔥🔥🔥
Where do I get the book? Or the audiobook audio prob on audible. What’s the price?
Your videos are ace!
Ok i just started the video im so fuckin glad someome if finally covering the book
I was waiting for a video about no coincidence to be made by someone like you, thank you fr. No hate to other creators but other videos about no coincidence aren't as good as this
I put it off for so long because I didn't want to just make it a straight review. Though I regret not doing it sooner!
There was a clone/AI hybrid back in 2020.
Sounds familiar.
Alt literally gets uploaded in the first introductory story for the setting.
OMG i had not subscribed, feels so bad iv been watching all your videos. Fixed it now....
What I care about most is that you've been watching and enjoying choom. So thank you!
I have a question. Who is the father of Rogues son?
It's never been confirmed, but Pondsmith has hinted at it being Santiago Aldecaldo(nomad aldecaldo). Which generally makes the most sense. It might have actually been confirmed in one of the recent books since Trace was in another adventure. Haven't checked though!
I wonder if the protagonist of Orion will turn out to be another unknowing AI-human hybrid and we discover it at the end of Act 2.
We have already 2 from 77 one of which is the main character. No need to introduce another
@@Heresiarches9274 V is more an accidental hybrid from sloting in the Relic and Songbird is an involuntarily one due to AI demonic-style possession and both are aware of what they are. An unknowing Manchurian Candidate style protagonist would be a different take.
@@Heresiarches9274 no not really
Someone clarify the Lore for me, when maelstrom was trying merge human with the AI Lilith was it trying to do the same thing or am I way off base here? Maybe I just need to watch the video all the way through through. 😅
I think that was them somehow allowing a rogue AI to take over a host in some way. How they did that, I've no idea.
Isn't this what V is?
No. Johnny isn’t an ai from beyond the blackwall
@@elegant_lobster_6472 I'm saying V in a human with an AI brain that's also controlled by Mr Blue eyes
I JUST REALIZED FROM WATCHING THIS VIDEO THAT THERE EVEN IS A CYBERPUNK BOOK!!
Not goong to.lie Borg and Albert got on my nerves
Typical militech smh. :]
Militech try not to cause the extinction of humanity challenge: Impossible
No Coincidence is one of my favourite books. Only witcher is better 🎉
You mean, like what Elon Musk is trying to do with his starlink satellites?
I can see a point where Biotechnica's Cloning project intersects with Arasaka's Relic program as well as Militech's Neural Mesh in order to create "avatars" for various rogue AI's.
No coincidence they take an interest in V, and Song then is it?
Bob Page would've loved this.
A new species of advanced AI Gods in the flesh
@@pancakes8670 Sounds like me. 😎
Love these lore videos.
They always lure me back to the game after months of not playing, always with slightly changed perspective on things.
It's like playing a new game when you suddenly have more knowledge of the world and it's characters, factions, etc. I can certainly say my first playthrough felt nothing like my second!
@@LayedBackGamers Exactly!
After watching through the video i think the theory that V is a hybrid consciousness working at the behest of either Night Corp or Militech checks out. Their memory is noted as spotty by Jackie and Claire, the point about the heist being unavoidable despite people like myself who weren't even spoiled on the story smelling how fishy the job was from miles away as if V was hypnotically compelled to do it.
Edit: i realized V is almost assuredly a hybrid AI consciousness even in the tower ending. V says something that really does encapsulate Militech "they dont forgive, they don't forget" they KILLED Meredith if she fails her job to find the convoy and they sent a hit squad after Lt Mower after her loyal service and subsequent cyberpsychotic break. So if V knows too much about project cynosure or helped Songbird incite an international incident, why did they save them? Because the Neural Matrix wasn't just used to isolate and neutralize the engram but also to further the research into controlling hybrid consciousness and winning the war brewing in cyberspace. V's track record would make them a valuable winter soldier as stated in another theory, so Militech not only gets control over Adam Smasher's superior but the ability to possibly extend this level of control to other subjects. The neural matrix to contain and control AI, the relic to inject AI personality constructs, these two things in tandem would give Militech the ability to dominate the battlefield in both real and cyberspace.
This might be what we're playing in the next game. And I'm all for it.
Watching this 2 months from being uploaded, on BBC news 12th August, they mentioned that people can use AI to grieve their loved ones.
There was a clip of a korean lady, wewring a vr headset, with her daughter (digital) in front of her, her daughter died at a young age, so this AI used data gathered from the young girl, to show how she woild look when older, and with the voice as well, she would be essentially be meeting her daughter in the virtual realm.
I think its already happening, we know how to use AI to form a "personality", layer it with audiovisual interaction to help people "grieve better."
Im aorry but its quite insane, it should not be uses for that reason, im auee theres better things to do, humanity is such a paradox.
Militech always go dark with everything
Video starts at 4:14
No coincidences is onw of my favorites i listen to it when ever im on a road trip on audio
Human A.I. hybrid? Sounds familiar. I should pay them a visit..
Always love your videos they make me appreciate how in depth this universe is.
The singularity is approaching 😂