I also did not see where the loop knot performed better. The issue with the abrasion v. palmar, I’m going with the palmar every time. Great video Mark I have never been disappointed in your videos. You inform and teach tips and tricks of the trade factually and visually. Sorry for the lengthy comment.
For me a loop knot definitely helps more when you want your bait to run true , such as a finesse swim bait , Damiki rig or mid strolling , a tight knot will have them cockeyed to one side sometimes and the loop knot solves that problem, cool video
The only difference I saw was in the ball head jig. The bait hung more horizontal at rest. I would have like to have seen a smaller loop, more of the size of your split ring. Great content.
Thanks for testing them out. I fished for many years in the saltwater mangroves around Naples, Florida using 20 and 30 lb leaders for abrasion resistance to keep from losing snook and tarpon. I always used a loop knot but wasn't thrilled with how lures or flies tracked. Someone convinced me to just tie direct and I was amazed by the improvement in how they moved. Thicker line makes these differences even more pronounced.
Nice work! Another possible point for baits for which you want side to side movement- the loop knot has to present much more drag than a Palomar knot, due to the loop itself vs a single line, and the knot is out forward instead of against the bait eye.
Very interesting results! I agree that the Palomar knot would be better, especially with a split ring. Whenever I fly fish I use a loop knot with streamers, but now I’m gonna have to compare to see if the results are the same.
Interesting findings. Seems to me maybe the loop knot enables more action when the line goes slack, yet the bait is still moving on momentum. I’ve noticed this on a couple of top waters, where the slack pause enabled the lure to rock or turn more one way or the other. Overall though you have pretty well convinced me to give up the loop knot in favor of a stronger knot. I’ll probably do more testing though. Thanks for all your detailed experimentation!
Thanks for sharing. 👍 I do quite a bit of Crappie fishing moving very slow from .5mph to .75mph. I’m thinking in this situation the loop knot may allow the small jighead tipped with plastic lure to stay more vertical. Of course I could be wrong???
No, I don’t think you’re wrong! I think vertical jigging for crappie is a viable use of a loop knot. It seems to give better action, roll and you’re not as concerned with knot strength. Thanks for your input!
I’d say the spook doesn’t look terrible but I like the startup tied to split ring. I bet having something a little different has its perks sometimes. Thanks for letting me know how to quickly do it on the water!
Very interesting stuff right there, after watching this and thinking about it, I feel like I have to agree with you, where the rigid O ring will allow a crankbait to wobble, I can now see how loop knot would work to resist the wobble, interesting!
My take on it is that with a loop knot, on each twitch you have to take up the half inch of slack before the bait moves, and then the bait gets a sudden jerk. I’ve watched some knot strength tests, and the ones that look legit to me show the order goes: improved clinch, palomar, uni, then loop. With a loop knot the weakest.
If I’m understanding you you’re saying there would be a fraction slower response of the bait (to take up that half inch of slack) but the action would be the same. I 100% agree it’s the weakest knot.
@ no, I think the action would be different because the movement of the bait would begin with a small snatch when the end of the loop hits the eye, instead of with a pull. Think the force when using a slide hammer vs a pull.
Know I’m starting to question everything. Is the world flat? Was that sound big foot? I’m going to stick with what I’m comfortable with. Especially if the differences are little to none. Don’t get me started on free rig vs. Carolina rig and unpegged Texas rig. Great information. I’ll subscribe to your channel.
Thank you for watching and subscribing! Like I said in the video, it literally took me 3 weeks to decide to put this out because it went against all the popular opinions but I appreciate your comments!
Put the information out there. Let the people decide. Side note. When I was introduced to this knot it was never called a loop knot. It was branded the Rapala Knot. Go figure.
This is interesting. The size of the loop you use might make a difference. I have been using loop knots for tying on jig heads with soft plastics and I feel like a small loop is better than a big one. I think I'll try tying on my jig heads with a regular knot instead just to see what happens. I fish in the saltwater for redfish, trout and flounder mostly in the Chesapeake Bay.
I was just going to try a loop knot for jigs for crappie..i also believe the knot is not as strong as the palmar after watching your video it looks like less action on all the baits. I’ll be staying with direct tie
@@rolandburket1262 I do think vertical jigging for crappies may be the only application I would consider using the loop knot. In the video the vertical jig did have more “roll” and with crappie you aren’t as concerned with line breaking.
I can see a difference in action with the loop knot, its looks more real and unpredictable in my opinion. I did lose the biggest bass i would have landed on a Rapala tied with a loop knot. Im trying those speed clips and there alright
Interesting and informative video, thanks. Tension collapse of the loop knot makes sense as does a split ring staying open and therefore freer. But a loop knot on a 1/16 or 1/32 crappie jig does seem to make a positive difference, maybe because the 8# mono that I use is stiff enough to not collapse on a slow moving tiny jig. Suggestion: repeat the test with little wire snaps on hooks whose eyes are too small for split rings. Also with a small split ring on a large wire fluke hook, and bass jig, etc.
Unfortunately the loop knot is one of the weakest knots you can use it only works to add action on the lightest and limpist of lines where you can not afford any loss of strength it is a trade off loss of fish and lures for more possible strikes you make the call
I appreciate your suggestion although I have tried different sizes and haven’t seen much difference. I also don’t think the science is going to change.
I also did not see where the loop knot performed better. The issue with the abrasion v. palmar, I’m going with the palmar every time. Great video Mark I have never been disappointed in your videos. You inform and teach tips and tricks of the trade factually and visually. Sorry for the lengthy comment.
Are you kidding me? I always appreciate your comments! Thanks man I’m glad you enjoyed the video.
For me a loop knot definitely helps more when you want your bait to run true , such as a finesse swim bait , Damiki rig or mid strolling , a tight knot will have them cockeyed to one side sometimes and the loop knot solves that problem, cool video
I appreciate your feedback!
Great video. Glad I haven't been missing out not using a loop knot
It’s nice to know that you’ve been doing it the right way all along!
The only difference I saw was in the ball head jig. The bait hung more horizontal at rest. I would have like to have seen a smaller loop, more of the size of your split ring. Great content.
I agree with you. Based on your comment and those of some other viewers it seems like maybe we need to do a follow up video!
Thanks for testing them out. I fished for many years in the saltwater mangroves around Naples, Florida using 20 and 30 lb leaders for abrasion resistance to keep from losing snook and tarpon. I always used a loop knot but wasn't thrilled with how lures or flies tracked. Someone convinced me to just tie direct and I was amazed by the improvement in how they moved. Thicker line makes these differences even more pronounced.
I appreciate you sharing your experience. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Nice work! Another possible point for baits for which you want side to side movement- the loop knot has to present much more drag than a Palomar knot, due to the loop itself vs a single line, and the knot is out forward instead of against the bait eye.
You make an excellent point! I really noticed that when I was working the spook. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great content and video Mark…..I was always wondering about this subject and you nailed it. Thank you!! 🍻🍻
I appreciate you watching and your support. Thank you.
Very interesting results! I agree that the Palomar knot would be better, especially with a split ring. Whenever I fly fish I use a loop knot with streamers, but now I’m gonna have to compare to see if the results are the same.
Thanks for tuning into the channel and sharing your experiences.
Interesting findings. Seems to me maybe the loop knot enables more action when the line goes slack, yet the bait is still moving on momentum. I’ve noticed this on a couple of top waters, where the slack pause enabled the lure to rock or turn more one way or the other. Overall though you have pretty well convinced me to give up the loop knot in favor of a stronger knot. I’ll probably do more testing though. Thanks for all your detailed experimentation!
You’re welcome. We appreciate you tuning in and sharing your thoughts.
Great video..he pool tests are really informative! No more loop knots for me.
Thank you for watching and commenting. I really appreciate your feedback!
Nice comment about the abrasion at the end. Never would have thought of that! Lol
I appreciate you watching and commenting
Thanks for sharing. 👍
I do quite a bit of Crappie fishing moving very slow from .5mph to .75mph. I’m thinking in this situation the loop knot may allow the small jighead tipped with plastic lure to stay more vertical. Of course I could be wrong???
No, I don’t think you’re wrong! I think vertical jigging for crappie is a viable use of a loop knot. It seems to give better action, roll and you’re not as concerned with knot strength. Thanks for your input!
I’d say the spook doesn’t look terrible but I like the startup tied to split ring. I bet having something a little different has its perks sometimes. Thanks for letting me know how to quickly do it on the water!
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Very interesting stuff right there, after watching this and thinking about it, I feel like I have to agree with you, where the rigid O ring will allow a crankbait to wobble, I can now see how loop knot would work to resist the wobble, interesting!
I appreciate you watching the video and commenting!
Great video , what I’m now curious in trying is a split ring on my jig head minnow .
Several viewers have said the same thing. We might have to tackle this topic in another episode! Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thank God, i thought i was gonna have to remember another knot while out on the water 😂
Dodged a bullet there huh!?
Would love to know same principle on tactical clips or swivel clips compared to straight tie on !!!
Yeah we’re seeing that several others in the comments are saying that same thing. I appreciate your input.
My take on it is that with a loop knot, on each twitch you have to take up the half inch of slack before the bait moves, and then the bait gets a sudden jerk.
I’ve watched some knot strength tests, and the ones that look legit to me show the order goes: improved clinch, palomar, uni, then loop. With a loop knot the weakest.
If I’m understanding you you’re saying there would be a fraction slower response of the bait (to take up that half inch of slack) but the action would be the same.
I 100% agree it’s the weakest knot.
@ no, I think the action would be different because the movement of the bait would begin with a small snatch when the end of the loop hits the eye, instead of with a pull. Think the force when using a slide hammer vs a pull.
@bfg1836 ok I understand. Did you see that difference in the reactions to the baits in the video?
@@markfisheroutdoors yes. It was a good video.
@@markfisheroutdoors you got a like and subscribe
Know I’m starting to question everything. Is the world flat? Was that sound big foot? I’m going to stick with what I’m comfortable with. Especially if the differences are little to none. Don’t get me started on free rig vs. Carolina rig and unpegged Texas rig. Great information. I’ll subscribe to your channel.
Thank you for watching and subscribing! Like I said in the video, it literally took me 3 weeks to decide to put this out because it went against all the popular opinions but I appreciate your comments!
Put the information out there. Let the people decide. Side note. When I was introduced to this knot it was never called a loop knot. It was branded the Rapala Knot. Go figure.
@bobbysalter9241 thanks brother!
This is interesting. The size of the loop you use might make a difference. I have been using loop knots for tying on jig heads with soft plastics and I feel like a small loop is better than a big one. I think I'll try tying on my jig heads with a regular knot instead just to see what happens. I fish in the saltwater for redfish, trout and flounder mostly in the Chesapeake Bay.
My loop knots always break at the loop when I make the hookset for striped bass. 😢
That’s one of my points, they aren’t a very strong knot! Thank you for watching the video and thank you for commenting.
It would be interesting to see a small split ring on fluke and jig head compared to direct tie.
That would be interesting….
Maybe a follow up video! Thanks for your comments
I don't want to be the one to tell Richard Gene a loop knot doesn't make any difference 😢😅😂
Ha! I’m not going to tell him that. I actually think the only situation I would use a loop knot is vertical jigging for crappie!
The only time I have seen a benefit in loopnot is with owner range roller head when hover strolling you get way more body roll
@@jasonriede6056 yeah I can see that, especially with the footage we saw in the pool under water
I was just going to try a loop knot for jigs for crappie..i also believe the knot is not as strong as the palmar after watching your video it looks like less action on all the baits. I’ll be staying with direct tie
@@rolandburket1262 I do think vertical jigging for crappies may be the only application I would consider using the loop knot. In the video the vertical jig did have more “roll” and with crappie you aren’t as concerned with line breaking.
Agree, the footage is clear, not visible difference between both
Agreed!
Great video, what about a loop knot on a jerkbait?
@@johno7435 I would just use a small split ring
I can see a difference in action with the loop knot, its looks more real and unpredictable in my opinion. I did lose the biggest bass i would have landed on a Rapala tied with a loop knot. Im trying those speed clips and there alright
Yeah it’s not the strongest knot for sure! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Interesting and informative video, thanks. Tension collapse of the loop knot makes sense as does a split ring staying open and therefore freer. But a loop knot on a 1/16 or 1/32 crappie jig does seem to make a positive difference, maybe because the 8# mono that I use is stiff enough to not collapse on a slow moving tiny jig. Suggestion: repeat the test with little wire snaps on hooks whose eyes are too small for split rings. Also with a small split ring on a large wire fluke hook, and bass jig, etc.
This is definitely a topic we’re going to revisit with different variables involved. Thank you for watching and adding your input.
From what I see, I should stop using a loop knot
I give you the information….
You make your own choice!
lol
Yes I do see the difference the fruit is going down slowly looking down head first Hood first
Love it when some so called experts say use a loop knot..I think really..what BS..
Unfortunately the loop knot is one of the weakest knots you can use it only works to add action on the lightest and limpist of lines where you can not afford any loss of strength it is a trade off loss of fish and lures for more possible strikes you make the call
I made my call how about you?
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Some times if the fish are small or if it's the only way that works but I tend to change location or tactics first
Your loop knot is too big. Tie a loop knot the size of a split ring on a jig & minnow or a jig & plastic and see what results you get.
I appreciate your suggestion although I have tried different sizes and haven’t seen much difference. I also don’t think the science is going to change.
@@markfisheroutdoors the smaller loop knot doesn’t pinch, so the science is different.