WHY HIP HOP CREWS FAIL: Murder Inc. What Caused Their EARLY DEMISE Stunted Growth Music
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- Hip hop crews. Why do they fail for the most part outside the main artist having success? We see this often in hip hop, and have been since the beginning of time. It doesn’t mean a member, or members of said crew may not grow to have success on their own. Today’s feature is one of a crew you could bet on in the early 2000s to be the next to do so and have a long shelf life, seeing as they had one of the top hip hop talents at the time in Ja Rule, who was also selling at a rapid rate, in a time guys like Jay-z and Eminem were still in their prime. Ja Rule could rap, sing, write records for both male and female, and perform like not many of his generation. They then had, at the time of her introduction into her prime, the hottest female act for all things not her vocal range. Ashanti was the girl all men wanted and women admired. You also had Charlie Baltimore, Christina Millian, also going platinum, Lloyd, and Vita. Murder Inc was a standout rap crew, led by an artist creating a wave that we still see in today’s hip hop and undeniable hit after hit. What Happened to Murder Inc? WHY HIP HOP CREWS FAIL: Murder Inc. What Caused Their EARLY DEMISE Stunted Growth Music
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Without the 50 Cent beef, Could Murder Inc have grown to one of the best in the game consistently?
It’s hard to say. Had they not gone thru what they’ve went thru we would’ve never gotten that New York record or the wonderful song. This is off the energy of Ja with his back against the wall to make songs for people to get back to liking him. 50’s run was short due to him beefing with every east coast rapper that was hot. I really don’t know
I think the fbi ruined murder inc run more than 50 did
No I think it was the feds and the court case to prove them to be innocent. Then 50 cent .
It was 50 and the feds. 50 even told the feds to read his lyrics when asked about Supreme and his lyrics was saying they was being extorted by Supreme.
They Were Gonna Beef Regardless. The FBI Is How It All Messed Up For Them & 50 Was Just At The Right Place & Right Time To Take Advantage Of It.
Ja just said on drink champs, Def Jam had to drop them cuz the feds told them either drop murder inc or your label will get taken down too. It’s fucked up but everyone fears the feds
As much as it doesn't change anything, many people always accused 50 for working with the Feds back then (The Game, Bang Em Smurf, Murder Inc., Chaz, etc.). 50 was very influential and wayyy too powerful so anything he said at the time would make big time people listen to him for sure.
Yes i been saying that for years fed tood murder inc not 50
Def Jam was not exactly squeaky clean either...Bimmy who executive produced and co managed LL Cool J...he was former Supreme Team...Jimmy Henchmen and Don Pooh who were on Foxy Brown's management team...they were street dudes who had transitioned to the music business...even Russell Simmons and Lyor Cohen had ties to the Hollis Crew through Run DMC and most definitely Jam Master Jay who grew up with most of the Supreme Team's founders...Russell even used to hustle back in the early days of Rush Management when he forged a partnership with Rick Rubin who is actually the true founder of Def Jam when it was a production company...not a independent record label that scored a worldwide distribution with Polygram through Columbia Records before Island Records came into the picture !
@@bradlee5874 His power came from being with Dr Dre and Eminem ...looking like the underdog who got a chance to roll with two of the biggest names in the Rap Game!
Surprised to see they didn't have good lawyers
So basically 50 took the "I'm a end this man's career" joke seriously 😂
Irv had 50 blackballed earlier in his career, hence why 50 ended up out west with Aftermath. Sounds like karma
When irv played in da club by 50 he and the Murda Inc label knew they didn’t have anything to stop 50’s run as the top dog in the rap game
50 Cent getting blackballed by Irv Gotti, only to bounce back and become one of the biggest hip hop acts of all time while Murder Inc crumbled is such a great revenge story. It’s like the hip hop version of The Count of Monte Cristo.
This one almost doesn't count Murder Inc was a label not a crew. Their problem was they didn't have that good secondary rapper. They should've pushed Vita's solo joint. I still play that murders album to this day.
i agree with you about Vita i think Cadillac tah was mishandled
@@timothyleblanc804 yeah all he needed was better production and a few good features but it seems like they didn't believe in anybody but Ja. Black Child should've got a push too.
black had a couple nice songs on the 1st compilation and i didn't think caddy and 7 meshed well i think his lane was that murders and veni vetti vecci sound and Dave bing wasn't trash either
@@timothyleblanc804 They should've gave the murderers the hot boys treatment where everybody was equal and got shine and each one had an album and the others guest starred on it. Still the real problem with Murder Inc was that they didn't seem to have an in house mega producer because after a certain point they just started doing samples from the 90's and old 2Pac beats.
i woulda liked a vita and Charli Collab honor mixtape that woulda set up both of them as solo acts maybe you pair caddy black and 01 as a group they dropped the ball imo def jam wanted as much rule Ashanti as possible
I remember when The Inc. had signed Vanessa Carlton. I was like, damn, they're really grasping for straws at that point.
Yeah a little weird but The FBI ruined everything . Had no choice
That was weird.
Wow... I never knew that. The only thing I knew from back then was that Ja Rule really loved the song A Thousand Miles and actually met Vanessa just to congratulate her for making it.
Murder Inc was going to just be" The Inc" and transition to pop...after the success with Ashanti, those songs with J Lo and Fat Joe that were big crossover hits for the Pop Charts ...multi platinum plaques...Irv Gotti was a mastermind in the studio and he knew Ja Rule had a Multi Platinum pen as well as natural vocal arrangement skills for hooks...they would have probably made Vanessa Carlton...do a Gwen Stefani or Pink like move with her music ...a 90's Hip Hop version of Teena Marie!
Their affiliations with Supreme hurt them more than 50 or Eminem could. Feds warned anyone who would work with them could get caught in it. For the Stans who still think it's about Eminem, Ja was still making anthems and going platinum in the midst of the beef.
They not ready for that conversation.
@@jhammaster facts
Ja rule only had 3 platinum hits during the beef, and two of them were with Ashanti, who herself says G unit/shady/interscope played a part in their decline.
@@yageshabazz3456 you obviously didn't realize what I wrote. That included producers, etc. They said Inc was money laundering.
@@esotericguru7111 you obviously didn’t read what I wrote. Just typing to see yourself type
Murder Inc growth was pretty much stunted by:
50
The feds
Def Jam dropping the label
No consistency with the roster beyond ja, Ashanti and Lloyd
And eventually cooling all it's artists down to nothing
50 had very little to do with Murder Inc's decline. The Federal Indictement is at the top of the list. The Feds basically bled out Murder Inc financially. Freezing their assets and also threatening any other record label that wanted to associate with Murder Inc during the Indictement period. Murder Inc's moves were checkmated by the Feds.
Also during the Indictement, Murder Inc could not release any music and no distribution agencies wanted to work with them for fear of the Feds.
50 cent simply took advantage of Murder Inc's problems with the Feds. 50 cent and his group G-unit capitalized on Murder Inc's inability to release any music during the Indictement period. So 50 really had no competition from Murder Inc during this period. G-unit easily released diss tracks and mix tapes directed at Ja Rule, Irv Gotti and to some small extent Ashanti but then Ja Rule could not really respond back as much as he wanted.
So, since Murder Inc were unable to release music at that time, 50 cent begun to take a lot of their market share. People who had no idea of how a Federal Indictement works thought that Ja rule was being scared of responding to 50 cent but he simply couldn't because of the Feds.
FACT CHECK: The last crew to have success with it’s leader & the ones under him having the same or more success was Young Money.
Lil Wayne - Nicki Minaj - Drake
Not G Unit nor Dipset. The Game left G Unit & became a bigger artist than his former counterparts.
Bro that's 3 people young money had a 10 man roster
@@JacquesSays thank you my dude. So we acting like Banks, Buck & even damn Yayo didn't go platinum
WRONG!
@@maximbelmont4641 they went platinum but not as many times as Drake or Nicki, let alone them combined. Even you know that.
Odd Future?
If the original Murder INC (DMX, Jay-Z & Ja Rule) could have did their thing... it would have been epic!
Ja Rule and Ashanti were also Epic. They were releasing hit after hit. So it worked well for them up until the Federal Indictement that ruined everything for them.
Murder Inc wasn't even a group, they were a record label. Before that Jay-Z, DMX & Ja Rule were supposed to be a group called Murder Inc but they never put out an album because Jay-Z and DMX didn't get along with each other. The only group from the Murder Inc label was The Murderers that only put one compilation album
Three albums
@@olafjones7173 No, they only put out one. Just look at the titles, the other two compilations say Irv Gotti Presents The Inc & The Remixes. The first one is the only group album by The Murderers the other two albums are just the label's compilation albums
All three were Irv gotti presents albums. Even on the murderers album, which I understand what you’re saying, they had dmx Dave bing jayz busta rhymes Memphis bleek features. All the irv gotti presents albums were just label compilations. But ok technically yes the murderers had one album. Too bad too because black child is a beast and the real wanksta is the best 50 diss ever. If people actually were able to hear all the street murder inc 50 disses things might be different.
@@olafjones7173 Yeah all three are compilation albums but they were referred to as The Murderers back then as a group and yeah Irv Gotti should have let everyone release an album when the label was popping. Caddillac Tah's Pov City Hustler album as well as Black Child, Vita, Charli Baltimore & Cash Money Click albums. The public didn't really hear the disses from Murder Inc artists cause they weren't big artists, so they didn't really care. While 50 Cent had a bunch of big named people with him like Eminem, Dr. Dre, Busta Rhymes & DMX so their disses were heard more. Your right about things going differently if the public heard all disses from both sides and also if Ja Rule got to respond in the earlier stages when he wanted too. Check out Black Child's diss songs Ratchet & Boss U Down they go hard and 40 Shots by Caddillac Tah, plus Best Friend by Mossburg it's one of the best disses from the Murder Inc side
@@camronshean1758 Real Talk man!!
Great video but Christina Milan was never signed to Murda Inc. she was signed directly to Def Jam.
Vita was like a fusion between Lil Kim and Eve. Murder Inc definitely dropped the ball on that one.
Really enjoy these videos. Most are spot on, on how they failed. I learned alot from them. Makes me think of my on personal growth, in how to reach it. Lessons in these videos. Much appreciated.
Saying they messed with the wrong one shouldn't even be a thing, look how many beefs 50 Cent had afterwards and those he beefed with did just fine after. I know 50 Cent, G-Unit, Eminem, D12, Dr. Dre & Busta Rhymes brought down their popularity but the public didn't really hear the disses on the Murder Inc side cause other than Ja Rule & Ashanti no one else was a big named artist so the public didn't pay attention to them. 50 Cent had Dr. Dre & Eminem backing him plus other big named rappers dissing with him, so the public was paying attention to them more. If Ja Rule was able to respond earlier when he had wanted too and if the public heard all the disses from Murder Inc artists then things would have gone differently
Thats what I keep saying personally murder Inc disses we're exposing the truth while their stupid camp was talking bout 2pac pretend and your this or your that 👌hood disses
The most balanced view on the Demise of murder Inc. I was a huge murder Inc fan and as someone who saw it closely I will say this is what led to the downfall of the Inc.
1. By 2002 People we’re getting tied of jarule and it reflected in the album sales of the last temptation.
2. 2003 the feds shutting them down.
3 the rise of 50 cent
Two factors.
1) 50 & interscope records musically and within the industry powerhouses. 2) the federal government seizing and freezing their money and assests.
Dawg you doin a service for the people. Keep it up
The Feds & 50 Cents Hype & Popularity is what stunned their growth everybody know 50 not lyrically that good to end somebody’s career but the karma 4 50 came back when Cam & Jadakiss Styles & Sheek Kilt 50 on the diss tracks & Ja A Better Rapper & Artist Than 50 & along with the short span of time Ja Has More Albums than 50 cent
Facts I kept saying this 💯if 25-cent was a real good lyricist why did he loose or back out off beef when someone challenged him even now till this day he still 🏃♂️his 🙊and never backs nothing up only when his g unot and snitch crew members get involved 😒😐😑😂🤦😤
@@Jac735 50 cent is better than Ja rule lyrically. That is why they shot him. Ja rule has nothing as hot as Power of the Dollar album or Guess who's back mixtape.
50 cent is too much of a force.
Why do you try and make it look worse than it was when it comes to Ja Rule. You did this last time with the title for his stunted growth. Yeah the beef with 50 Cent helped diminish their popularity but the beef with 50 Cent started way before 50 Cent even blew up and was known. Ja Rule was making classic hit records and doing movies and having major success without even responding to 50 Cent back at that point. The thing is the timing was just bad as the Federal investigation kept Ja Rule from really responding earlier when he wanted to. That caused people to side with 50 Cent as he was the new popular artist, so people were listening to everything he put out while Ja Rule wasn't able to say anything back during the most crucial time and by the time he did people had already taken sides. If Ja Rule responded when he wanted to, it would have gone differently. Blood In My Eye was originally supposed to be a mixtape but Def Jam wanted it to be an album instead. Also 50 Cent had the massive backing of his label Shady/Aftermath with Dr. Dre & Eminem who were two mega stars in music, it ain't like he was on his own, so there was no messing with the wrong one. Murder Inc made many classic hit songs and was successful for a long time, the label's career and legacy wasn't built off of and doesn't revolve around their beefs
One big reason Murder Inc fell off was cause only Ja Rule & Ashanti were pushed and everyone else wasn't focused on in order for them to build a name for themselves. Caddillac Tah was supposed to release his album Pov City Hustler, Black Child also was supposed to put out an album and Vita & Charli Baltimore but neither of them did because Irv Gotti was only focusing on the label's two main stars who were selling millions of albums. If everyone else got to put out albums their popularity would've grew even more and there would have been more people to take over after Ja Rule & Ashanti
Facts, thank you for exposing the truth. I’m tired of hearing that bs lie. I
@@younggod3906 Foreal people don't even bother to look at the actual facts at all and just roll with whatever came from 50 Cent and foolishly give him all the credit as if he didn't have a whole bunch of other rappers with him and like the Feds didn't have the biggest impact during that time. 50 Cent and the rest of them just attacked Murder Inc at the most vulnerable time and then took all the credit for their downfall. Yet people refuse to see that whole thing for what it actually was
All facts. I have all the murda inc projects on my channel and I have to say, that Cadillac Tah album would have gone at least gold because he had fucking top tier flow and energy, as well as Vita. But Irv was just too fucked up on money, ex pills and feeling invincible with his fast success to be smart enough to look at the healthier longrun of his label by having more artists carrying it than just Ja and Ashanti.
Feds x Fif -- beyond deadly combination
Christina Milian was not a member of murder inc. she was just a collaborator with Ja Rule, Irv Gotti & their producer at the time 7 Aurelius who produced the bulk of Ja Rule’s Pain is Album & Ashanti self titled debut album, and the 50 cent situation was not only him, he had Shady/Aftermath/Interscope & Universal music group behind him to go on this campaign of taking down murder inc., but it was deeper on the street stuff because of Supreme & his ties to the man who tried to kill 50 cent, and 50 felt a lack of respect from Supreme who he looked up to
50 had very little to do with Murder Inc's decline. 50 cent simply just capitalized on Murder Inc's problems with the Feds.
The Federal Indictement is at the top of the list. The Feds basically bled out Murder Inc financially. Freezing their assets and also threatening any other record label that wanted to associate with Murder Inc during the Indictement period. Murder Inc's moves were checkmated by the Feds.
Also during the Indictement, Murder Inc could not release any music and no distribution agencies wanted to work with them for fear of the Feds.
50 cent took advantage of Murder Inc's problems with the Feds. 50 cent and his group G-unit capitalized on Murder Inc's inability to release any music during the Indictement period. So 50 really had no competition from Murder Inc during this period. G-unit easily released diss tracks and mix tapes directed at Ja Rule, Irv Gotti and to some small extent Ashanti but then Ja Rule could not really respond back as much as he wanted.
So, since Murder Inc were unable to release music at that time, 50 cent begun to take a lot of their market share. People who had no idea of how a Federal Indictement works thought that Ja rule was being scared of responding to 50 cent but he simply couldn't because of the Feds.
It was 50 cent AND the feds🤷🏾♀️
@Brandon Knight never said he was
@Brandon Knight But numerous people have said he was Just for the fun of it? C'mon man.
Holla Holla remix was ridiculous at that time
I don’t even got to watch it, I lived through it. The Feds and 50 tore this whole label down.
Same I was 19
This is typical of hip-hop and that is part of the reason that I do not like most of hip-hop. Why tear other groups or labels down? And 50 cent is that kind of dude that acts like a female that loves creating drama.
I like your channel but the thing is, nothing lasts forever!
It’s a good thing Ja didn’t keep grasping at straws when shit hit the fan. He disappeared, stayed low long enough to have a chance now. Platinum hits don’t go away.
Facts
It's a shame for M.I., they made an impact in the rap game that was cut short notice but Ja & Ashanti had gems in their careers
The reason why the LOX get the CREW CROWN.. TALENT, LOYALTY, ENDURANCE..
True.
Loved Vita and Charlie in Ashanti’s video lol.
Also i forgot to mention That Pac diss Bad Boy also and made Puffy and Big look like clowns in their videos. They never responded musically while Pac was alive. But still bad Boy became a lot bigger after that because they continued to bring out great music. That`s part of the reason i don`t think 50 had that big of an impact in the decline of murder Inc. I think he just had a small contributing role to the decline of Murder Inc..
Real talk and he declined when Kanye beat him 💯🤧😴🤣😤😂
G unit had help from Jimmy Iovine
When Irv Gotti was interviewed about his ordeal , he stated that it took him $10 MILLION DOLLARS in lawyer fees to fight his federal case and he won . I would have just lost that case because I don't even have $20 dollars right now .
Cause the only stars that murder inc. had was ja and ashanti ...and then ja started beefing with 50
That is a very simple way to put it.
The beef Ja rule had with 50 cent had very little to do with Murder Inc's decline.
The Federal Indictement is what fucked up a lot of good things for Murder Inc.
A Federal Indictement is No Joke.
Basically, the Feds bled out Murder Inc financially. Not only that but the Feds also threatened any record label that attempted to help out or transact with Murder Inc during the Indictement period. Also, the Feds ensured that Murder Inc could not release any music until the trial was over. So artists like Ja Rule and Ashanti could not release any music because distribution agencies did not want to be linked with Murder Inc out of fear of the Feds.
50 cent simply used this time as an opportunity to capitalize on Murder Inc's problems with the Feds.
When Murder Inc could not release any music, 50 cent and his G-unit label took advantage and released a lot of music, albums, mixtapes and diss tracks to Ja Rule. Ja Rule could not really respond to the diss tracks in a timely manner like he wanted to because of the Federal Indictement. So people begun to think Ja Rule was a fraud and a pu$$y for not responding to 50 cent and G-unit diss tracks. This is how 50 cent begun to take Ja Rule and Murder Inc's market share.
50 cent was at the right place at the right time.
The Federal Indictement on Murder Inc worked very well in favor of 50 Cent.
Murder Inc's decline and fall from grace had nothing to do with their beef with 50 cent, Eminem etc. The reason for their downfall was the Federal Indictement.
A Federal Indictement is No Joke. The only way to beat the Feds is if you have long paper which Irv and Chris Gotti had. They spent tens of millions of dollars.
Also during the trial, Murder Inc artists could not really release songs. Ja Rule and Ashanti who were the biggest Murder Inc artists could not release any songs because distribution companies feared working with them (because the Feds threatened anyone who associated themselves with Murder Inc during the Indictement period).
Universal records were given a stern warning regarding transacting in any way with Murder Inc during the Indictement period.
What 50 cent did was that he capitalized on Murder Inc's problems with the Feds. So when Murder Inc could not release music during the Indictement, 50 cent and his label G-Unit took advantage of that and popped really hard. People who were not aware of how a Federal Indictement works, thought that Ja rule was being reluctant in responding to 50 cent, Eminem etc and that is how 50 cent and G-Unit begun taking Murder Inc's Market share.
Also the association of Supreme and J Prince with Murder Inc is what led to the Indictement in the first place. The Feds knew that if they bled Murder Inc dry financially, it would also deeply hurt Supreme and his gang's finances.
The Federal Indictement is what killed Murder Inc.
Damn good video after good video
Too many fallen talents
Make out a video for charizma and peanut butterwolf. I think it’d be dope
Yo! You did the opening phrase!
Salute ✌️
FEDS game over and 50 personally ended JA career plus stole his style on the way out the door smh…Bully
i love this video murder ic was my fav label/group back then and no ashanti slander will not be tolerated u shitted on her vocals she aint have to have beyonce type vocals she definitley can sing nobody is perfect on stage
I just watched that Fat Joe and Ja Rule versus 🆚 aye man Ja and them had Hits 🔥🔥🔥💯
Ja has 17 number 1 hits by himself not many rappers have had that much. And i'm not even the type that really care about hits but that's impressive.
JC can you do a Nappy Roots Stunted Growth?
I was just listening to aww nah I do remember one of their artists was on the show catfish
Hell yeah thats a good one
Timing is key. 50 buried them while the Feds were hushing them. Ja still got hits tho. "100 guns 100 clips nigga I'm from New York"🎶🔥🔥🔥
Do all hip hop groups that have broke up all like to know what their growth was stunted for
Murder Inc. always had their backs to the wall and still came out on top. Very well done video though, but Christina Milian was never signed to Murder Inc.
I don`t think 50 had as big of a impact in Murder Inc decline as some people think. Ja-rule started to decline substantially in popularity after like 3 or 4 platinum albums. Back then it was normal for a rapper to start to decline in popularity after 2 or 3 albums. I think people started to get tired of Ja-rule`s music because they felt the quality of his music decline. I think that had far more of an impact in Murder Inc`s decline then 50 cents. Tupac constantly dissing Biggie, and claiming he slept with his wife embarrassed Biggie in front of the world. But it did not cause a decline in his record sales. His second album sold better then the first. Tupac dissing jay-z at a time where Jay-z was not that big of a name in Hip Hop, did not have a negative impact on Jay-z sales. Jay-Z became a super star after Pac dissed him because Jay-Z music became a lot better. No matter how bad 50 dissed Ja i don`t think it had that much of an impact on his record sales, I think it was mostly Ja-rule music quality declining and the Feds messing with them.
I agree. As a huge ja fan I was cooling of on me when he dropped the last temptation
If only Ja, X, And Jay stood united yeah
Facts that would’ve been a great battle with GUnit
@@younggod3906 they would 🏆🏅cuz jay and x would demolish them easily
Would have been the best trio in Rap above The Lox? I think so. They would have handled 50 & the Unit easily. 50 would have never became that big.
@@Man_eee No, 50 cent was always going to become Big. He was too much of a force. That man was born with devine power.
@@darrenraphael Okay Stan.
50 was there demise
Nope just the feds and fickle fans taking sides for no reason
*their* ,NOT there. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ja Rule and Murder Inc. beefing with Eminem, Dre, and Aftermath didn't help with the 50 Cent beef.
What is the instrumental used for stunted growth videos in the background????
Ultimately, I Feel It Was Mix Of The Feds, Beefs, A Little Karma, & Maybe Even Making Ja Too Much Of The Focus. Cause Irv Admitted To Blackballing 50 Before He Blew Up So That Energy Came Back On Them. & Then Irv Had Other Rappers There But He Didnt Push Them Like He Did Ja. They Probably Would’ve Sustained More If He Put Out Vita, Charli, Or More Rappers With Star Quality Like Him. Cause Once Ja Was Kicked Off His Pedestal, People Stopped Checking For The Label As A Whole. No One Else Was Really Pushed To Keep The Momentum Going.
10:14 You forget to mention that guy on the right: Brooklyn Newz. Gotti tried to make a comeback with him in 2007 till 2009 and put him also in his show "Gotti's Way" but a good video anyways!!
Ja Rule : " f*** 50 Cent ! "
50 : " so you've chosen death "
50 cent had Nothing to do with Ja Rule's decline.
It was the Federal Indictement that fucked up Murder Inc.
50 cent simply took advantage of Murder Inc's problems and cases with the Feds.
Also remember, one of the things Murder Inc could not do during the Federal Indictement was to release any music. So Ja Rule, Ashanti and other Murder Inc artists could not release any music since no distribution agency were willing to take the risk of associating with Murder Inc out of fear of the Feds.
A Federal Indictement is No Joke.
Also, the Federal Indictement on Murder Inc worked very well in 50 cent's favour.
I love how its written that 50 cent ended ja's career. When really ja gave birth to him and 50 just popularized this trend of smaller rappers beefing w the big dog for clout
Murder Inc could've had more success if irv put out other artist than ja and Ashanti
They try it with Charlie Baltimore
@@MichaelWilliams-ti7pn I'm talking about people who dropped albums
Lloyd dropped an album
@@flygenyus2186 yeah outta nowhere, but I'm taking about the original members
They tried to give Cadillac Tah a push that Pov city anthem was bananas straight 🔥 it was getting spins on the radio but the spins was just a lil bit to shy under the mark to push for his solo album .... but in my opinion they should of pushed for his album regardless I really think it would of been a classic.... but yea Tah murder, Black Child, Jody Mack and Jarule was deff a nice lineup 👌
Irv Gotti was responsible for Jay Z and DMX getting their deals at Def Jam...he was a DJ and Producer for Mic Geronimo before getting his A& R gig at Def Jam...Irv Gotti low key was a beast beyond the boards...who was trying to orchestrate a super crew with DMX , Jay Z, and Ja Rule because Biggie tried to do it with the Commission and Dr Dre /Steve Stoute/Nas failed with the Firm...my only problem with your video is that you credited Russell Simmons with hiring Irv Gotti when in actuality , it was probably Lyor Cohen and/or Kevin Liles at this point...calling the shots at Def Jam on daily operations...Russell Simmons was basically the chairman of the board for Def Jam during the late 90's...he was focused on Def Comedy Jam/ Def Poetry Jam, making movies like " How To Be Player", and Phat Farm/Baby Phat...he even had a entertainment journalism show called "One World" on Fox , UPN, or WB at that time...I think that the " Crime Partners" movie with Supreme and Irv Gotti as executive producers really put the nail in the coffin...Murder Inc was wearing Black T shirts with Supreme Team in white letters in videos...that did not help their money laundering case...which is sad because I think that Supreme was trying to go legit but he got with his hand in the cookie jar and trying to administer street justice after the murder of his good friend Black Just...Irv and Ja being from Queens...looked up to him and he did bankroll Summer block parties where DJ Irv got his start ...you also left out that the fact that Irv was DMX's DJ at one point and Ja Rule was his hypeman...when " It's Dark and Hell is Hot" dropped...so they both saw how Dee and Waah made Ruff Ryders successful ...how Dame Grease and Swizz Beats worked in the studio...the parts the LOX and Eve played...how to piggyback promote artists..there was also a Death Row/ Tha Row connection with Suge Knight that did not help Murder Inc with 50 signed to Shady /Aftermath and even the whole thing with Benzino used his connections at the Source to get the whole Shady/Aftermath camp blackballed because he was friends with Irv Gotti and Ja Rule plus he hated Eminem and wanted to disrespect his protege 50 Cent!
I remember all of this.
That man gave Jay his first mainstream hit can I get a....
Yes, PLEASE do one on LLoyd. Also Fetty Wap and Desiigner. They both seemed to have burned out pretty quickly after 1-2 huge singles.I honestly thought Future would go that route as well
Naw I don’t think Future is going anywhere anytime soon, even if he doesn’t make it as a solo artist him and Drake will always go hard together.
D12….group was on the rise until Proof’s death in 2006…D12 wasn’t the same after Proof passed away….
That's because Proof was the only good one in D12.
@@Man_eee yes absolutely…proof was the heart and soul of D12….when proof passed away, d12 broke up and wasn’t the same…..
D12 was ass a bunch of clowns
Murder inc wasn’t a group it was ja and Ashanti!
It was crazy how everybody jumped on the "I hate ja rule" bandwagon. Like people I didn't even know were into hip hop disliked ja rule. Kinda corny when you think about it.
People were duped by 50 cent's image. Yet 50 then went ahead and stole Ja Rule's style of singing on hooks and choruses, something he accused Ja Rule of.
Also remember that during this time, Murder Inc were going through a Federal Indictement. A Federal Indictement is No Joke. Basically, the Feds bled out Murder Inc financially and they also intimidated any record label that wanted to help out or transact with Murder Inc during that time of the Indictement. So artists like Ja Rule and Ashanti who were the popular Murder Inc artists could not release any songs since no distribution agency wanted to deal with them for fear of the Feds.
It is why 50 cent had a very easy time attacking Ja Rule and releasing diss tracks and mixtapes aimed at Murder Inc. Murder Inc could not release any music so Ja Rule could not respond back when he wanted to. It is at this time that people begun to think that Ja Rule was a fraud and a pu$$y. Also it is the time when 50 cent and his G-unit label begun to take Murder Inc's market share.
In the Music Industry, if you take a long hiatus (like Murder Inc did because of the Feds) then there is someone right behind to replace you. Basically, 50 cent was at the right place at the right time to capitalize on Murder Inc's problems with the Feds. Also 50 had the backing of Eminem and Shady Aftermath, Obie Trice and D12, and Dr. Dre.
When keeping it real goes wrong
I liked 50 cent at one point, but it’s always been M Inc for me 💯❤️
50 came at the PERFECT time! Thats what got Ja
50 is a beast
Well at least she owns her masters now. I gotta give her props for that cause she had some heavy hitters.
no matter, the twist of people words, jarule is a legend & the world famous rapper
Jah was a beast. All those hits still bang. That was a set up collapse. That said, getting too close to the streets makes it easy for them to label your business a criminal venture.
50 cent and the feds honestly
Despite popular belief it’s was not 50 cent to killed them off it was the federal indictment which led the record distribution company’s to stop founding them due to the fear of being charged as accessory’s to what there were being charged with. Supreme team leader McGriff put a lot money in murder inc.
fact: original murder inc crew jay z dmx ja rule they didn’t get along so they made decided to make rnb style radio music in which they dominated at the time problem was all the focus was on ja rule and not enough on the other artist such as Charlie Baltimore black child tah murda who got a lil push on the j lo song was starting to get some movement but it was bad timing the indictment happened and the beef was history plus there were talks to put out an Irv gotti album like how dj Khalid does it would have
Matched 50 cent
Do Troy ave
I got a suggestion for a crew that was done before they even started but made a good album....Da Band lol Diddy did them long and strong.
Ashanti Outsold Beyoncé With Her First and Second Albums, Murda Inc Folding Hirt Her Career Bad.
U HAVE TO DO FBG DUCK
Rember after that they had Lloyd and the huge white girl singer at the time forgot her name I think it’s Michele branch
Do the wu tang clan
Y’all keep forgetting one of the first crews that started as a group and everyone in that group had a dope album individually and that’s the WU-TANG. Put some respect on they name
Christina Milian wasn’t signed to Murder Inc. she was only featured on 1 song with Ja Rule. He might have introduced her to the world but she wasn’t signed to them
She signed her contract in 2001 with Murder Inc and only dropped 1 album. Self titled October 9th 2001. She was with the Inc
@@stuntedgrowthmusic didn’t know that
That explains a lot. That explains how Ashanti and Christina Milian became friends. And how Ashanti ended up writing for Christina Milian. Why wasn't she never promoted as a murder Inc artist
Ashanti was and still is finer than beyonce. See beyonce like Jesus she forced on you because that woman is not all that
Idk back when Bey was younger with Destiny’s Child I used to think it was too close to call between who was finer.
@@Mr_Mack88 I feel you. I just think Ashanti got that brown skin Brazilian look and beyonce just another red bone
Bro you gotta do cashmoney hot boys stunted growth
Loved this one. I was a fan of both when I was younger. This was my middle school days, mostly and I was obsessed with 50 when he came out but still loved all my fav Rule songs. Ashanti, I was convinced we were distant cousins or something. You don’t know the joy of seeing another hairy Blck woman on tv 😭
How can JA take a loss when he wasn't even in the fight?
Man took no loss..stop bro.
you’re videos have potential but i’m surprised in you. First being that you do research for these, nobody finds it weird that everyone that beefs with interscope that’s considered street always weirdly wound up with some type of legal troubles( suge, benzino & murder inc) also 50 had his hands in their demise because 50 knows how to manipulate the fans perception. behind the scenes they not only put hands in 50, proof from d12 also in miami. you kids only focus on records sold but never about who was actually doing what they rap about
Feds and Curtis Jackson on lines 2 & 3
😆facts
Fo a clip on Charlie Baltimore
6:47 That’s why her ass wasn’t at the Verzus like everyone else...
The Feds wasn't really going after Gotti. What they did was go after Irv first with a weak case before they started with Supreme for the sole reason to make sure that Gotti didn't get Preme a high price lawyer. Gotti said (in BET American Gangsta,) that he would have helped supreme in the Feds didn't drained him out. Also the government wanted to send the message to any one else to leave that case alone. Hence why Preme had to used a court appointed lawyer.
That why jrule is more gangsta than 50 he beat the fed they have a 98 conviction rate
I still want Ashanti what are you talking about
I thought Christina Millian was signed to Def Jam lol she was never Murder inc
Reason number 4 is irv gotti ego & mouth
Def Jam didn't want any subsedieries anymore, the INDUSTRY wanted them gone
I’m sorry but other than me biased cause I’m a 50 cent fan Ja was too busy trying to bite and imitate Pac. so I’m not sold on what they pushing
Charlie Baltimore a platinum artist?
Pro Era Or Lil Zane Next
Fifty is still laughing at murder inc, especially when he brought the master to ja rule catalog...
Lol if you believe that you a groupie
I guess u can’t think for yourself and u believe everything that comes from 50’s mouth
Cristina Milian was never a Murder Inc artist
Issss MURDAAAAA💪👿💯💕💚👀
NWA was the last crew that had the most successful members
Wrong it was Wu Tang
No bone thugs??
Quick answer , CURTIS JACKSON 😂
Feds could of been Stunted 3 cause they took all they shyt!!!!