Since a significant number of people are infected by Toxoplasma gondii you could make a point that a unicellular organism infected humans to domesticate us to make their host lives easier.
Actually, cats have been with us since pre agrarian times, they provided some comfort and helped keep our areas free from pests... And may even predate dogs, that's why the things cats do effect us chemically and psychology, where dogs only are psychology... But since cats are half pack and half solo, when dogs came along being full pack, and hunted small pests as well, but when dogs were fully pack bonded to humans dogs stopped hunting small pests, the pests came back, and then, so did the cats when we started to settle down.
Humanity got domesticated wolves and cats joined us too. Pest control made cute! Cats actually have prides like lions. They just view humans as strange cats and part of their pride/family. Oh, cats could kill a human and actually on occasion have. But cats have mostly come to trust us.
“They domesticated themselves.” Honestly we domesticated each other. In a way we domesticated cats to protect our crops from pests, and in turn cats domesticated us as a means to give them a safe hunting ground. Not to mention cats domesticated us as a method of comfort with us giving them ear scritches, as we domesticated them to satisfy the human instinct to pet things.
It was almost certainly a process initiated by the cats. Sure some humans probably recognised the benefit of cats on their land fairly early, but to begin with that is likely as far as it went. Not saying humans did not try to encourage it, but it was probably the cats that decided when to move in. Why do I think this? I do not know about you but I have been adopted by an Alley Cat, I loved that cat, but I never went out and rescued her, she moved in. It was HER decision. I always have had a soft spot for cats, and regularly left out food for the strays. I came back from work one summers day to find her curled up on my armchair. She was with me for twenty years before she passed. She was almost certainly born a stray, took a long time to learn to trust humans other than myself, and was in all metrics wild. But she decided one day to simply move in.
I think they both missed one key fact: We didn't domesticate cats, cats domesticated us. They mostly only tolerate our presence. :) (As long as we provide food, toys, and scritches)
I assume we will, however we will also inevitably take rodents and Cockroaches as well. That's pretty much a given, the four creatures that follow man.
Oh my god! I can't believe someone actually mentioned this obvious solution to Fermi paradox. How can a reasonable person assume that lights peed limited radio waves that are flooded by the torrent of stellar radiation is a reasonable method for interstellar communication any civilization would use...
My cats sometimes bring me half a mouse or 3/4 of a baby bird. In the past my miniature dachshunds have brought me a whole rat. I'm not ungrateful, every bit helps! 😉
Cats aren't what we used to control pests. We used dogs for that. Humans already had rat terriers and other breeds of dogs for rooting out pests eating crops when cats showed up. Cats...just kind of came along and we ended up domesticated each other as much as we could. They did contribute to pest control, but they weren't the original contributors to that job.
I think people don’t know cat scratch fever is real and can kill humans. A few years ago at my work place we nearly lost a manager because of a scratch.
Another pronunciation comment for you, though from another video of yours that I didn’t watch right away. Faux is pronounced the same as foe. It’s one of those weird borrowed french words. Also the c in facsimile is silent.
Lovable little gray fuzzbutt was mine and my late wife's companion for 10 years for her and 18 years with me until I had to take the last ride with her. Funny thing was we used to joke that the cat was the mouser that didn't mouse until one dsy after we had her 8 years she finally got one. Two years after i had to put the cat down i see something brown and furry duck under the stove and for the first time in over 20 plus years in this house I had to buy mousetraps and it became abundantly clear the knowledge that this house was under the protection of Smudge The Destroyer ( of mice) had become a story the mouse moms scared bad mouse children with. Only reason why I haven't gotten another cat is health reasons that means the cat will most likely outlive me and having watched Smudge mourn my wife as hard as I did I don't want to inflict that on any other kittuh.
The Chinese killed all their birds causing the locusts population to go insane destroying the crops they killed the birds to protect, the awful thing is the birds used to keep the locusts population small because the birds ate them.
interesting theory about agriculture and cats. i wonder if it's actually been looked at historically [i honestly don't know] but more importantly it means: cats rule & dogs drool [coming from a firm dog fan]
To be fair most religions have an issue with explanations of reality that don't fit within the limited world view of a book or scroll written a couple millennia ago and rewritten several times since then.
I think their theory discounts small breeds of dogs. In areas where we didn't have cats we used smaller dogs, like the dachshund. Small breeds of dogs have been around humans just as long as cats according to some sturdies.
Cats were probably 3~5 th domesticated animal for humanity as the cats function (rodent and pest control) didnt exist until city states and agriculture had established itself Also cants arent exclusively solitary animals they ARE solitary hunters but they form loosely bonded social structures unlike the definitive hierarchies of canines and humans
I think it's safe to say no one ever tells cats this information thay are smug enough already without knowing that they're responsible for our species survival
The only problem with this story is that the humans didn't already know how cats contributed to civilization. It's pretty widely known and accepted, I highly doubt it will be forgotten without global catastrophe. Even then, it would just happen again as none of the major players involved would be likely to be wiped out completely.
Right now, no. Back then, even worse. We had to breed dogs to even be viable against rats and mice, and they aren't as good as cats. In fact, if you look at the second greatest living extinction event, that would be cats. They've wiped out entire species of rats, birds, lizards, basically anything that was smaller than them and that relied on those animals for food.
@@user-tu2dh5ro7i Also all cats can take out rodents early on, dogs need to be trained. (unless it's hunting lemmings) but ya, cat's are literally made for killing smaller things, with their eyes, ears, quiet bodies, and hooked claws. they are miniature killing machines.
We can actually freely examine humanity with and without domesticated animals thanks to the Americas and the isolated tribes of Indonesia. In the Americas, Dogs followed the first people, so they had dogs, but little else. There were no horses, cows, pigs, chickens, oxen, goats, donkeys, etc. The list of domesticated animals by the native americans was, Dogs, and Llamas. there were some pet species, but domesticated animals that did work and benefited society, that was sorely lacking because the americas lacked species that could be domesticated. You cant domestice a Bison with stone age tools, we can only barely do it now. And a deer, Its extremely unlikely to catch one, but even if you did, youre just as likely break all of its legs in the attempt as you are to lead it back to camp. And even if you tried, they can be dangerous when spooked, and cannot carry any serious weight, so they are of little use. When Cortez met the Aztecs, there were thousands of years of technological development between them. the Aztecs had built a great society, but they would still to this day not have developed iron tools if theyd been left to their own devices. They simply didnt have the abundant energy needed from domesticated animals to develop faster. However, the Aztecs did have advanced sports, legal code, and societal systems. So they werent stupid, they were advancing, but they were less advanced than even the Hitites of the bronze age. Now go to Indonesia. There are tribes still isolated from the rest of humanity. Tribes numbering only around 50 to 200 people per, but they have zero domesticated animals, and they have not even entered the Neolithic era, they still use stone tools, and are incapable of weaving fabric. Because they dont even have dogs, they have to spend all their time just surviving, and have done almost no advancing since their ancestors came to indonesia over 35,000 years ago. Its easy to see, that with every domesticated species a society has, the faster it runs through the technology evolution tree. in truth, by the 19th century, Europe only had around 2 dozen distinct species domesticated. however, once we reached the industrial revolution, the game changed, now the energy we could produce wasnt reliant on domesticated beasts, now it was our metal monsters and our minds that built the world. And with that, we could have as few or as many domesticated animals as we wished, all that mattered was metal and energy.
If anything, its dogs. Cats have only -really- been domestic animals in the last 120 years. While yes, they used to hang around in egypt in the year 600BC, they weren't really domestic animals. Dogs, on the other hand...
What is your source? 120 years is such an outrageous number. A quick search on wikipedia shows the first domestication of cats happened around 7500 BCE and that does have a source
I assume he means the actual deliberate making of breeds. Like the naked cats and Scottish fold. Most cats are just variants of fur length and coat colors. But all modern domestic cats are descended of African cats. So humans would have had to deliberately take them with them to spread everywhere in the old world before Europeans finished the job to the destruction of many island birds and lizards.
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DON'T tell the cats -- they would never let us live it down and they have large enough egos already.
Cats probably think that domesticating humans was a great idea as we provide them with easy access to food.
Since a significant number of people are infected by Toxoplasma gondii you could make a point that a unicellular organism infected humans to domesticate us to make their host lives easier.
You can never adopt a cat, they adopt you.
Oh good, when this popped up I got excited, this comment confirms that this video is one I've been looking for.
@@chrisleonard2908some do kidnap them though
Actually, cats have been with us since pre agrarian times, they provided some comfort and helped keep our areas free from pests... And may even predate dogs, that's why the things cats do effect us chemically and psychology, where dogs only are psychology... But since cats are half pack and half solo, when dogs came along being full pack, and hunted small pests as well, but when dogs were fully pack bonded to humans dogs stopped hunting small pests, the pests came back, and then, so did the cats when we started to settle down.
Humanity got domesticated wolves and cats joined us too. Pest control made cute! Cats actually have prides like lions. They just view humans as strange cats and part of their pride/family. Oh, cats could kill a human and actually on occasion have. But cats have mostly come to trust us.
Cats actually do have healing capabilities. Purring is proven to boost cell regeneration. They're wonder animals.
Its also shown to improve blood pressure and mental stresses. So cats' purring has multiple physical and psychological healing benefits.😺
I wouldn’t necessarily say cats themselves then I would say that sounds cats make have healing properties
Shhh don't tell them that.
“They domesticated themselves.”
Honestly we domesticated each other.
In a way we domesticated cats to protect our crops from pests, and in turn cats domesticated us as a means to give them a safe hunting ground.
Not to mention cats domesticated us as a method of comfort with us giving them ear scritches, as we domesticated them to satisfy the human instinct to pet things.
You are only half way right
@@sbritton1313 What do you mean? What is the other half?
It was almost certainly a process initiated by the cats. Sure some humans probably recognised the benefit of cats on their land fairly early, but to begin with that is likely as far as it went. Not saying humans did not try to encourage it, but it was probably the cats that decided when to move in. Why do I think this?
I do not know about you but I have been adopted by an Alley Cat, I loved that cat, but I never went out and rescued her, she moved in. It was HER decision. I always have had a soft spot for cats, and regularly left out food for the strays. I came back from work one summers day to find her curled up on my armchair. She was with me for twenty years before she passed. She was almost certainly born a stray, took a long time to learn to trust humans other than myself, and was in all metrics wild.
But she decided one day to simply move in.
To this day cats are only considered semi-domesticated species officially. We still haven't even domesticated them.
I think they both missed one key fact: We didn't domesticate cats, cats domesticated us. They mostly only tolerate our presence. :) (As long as we provide food, toys, and scritches)
Cats make a house a Home and sometimes they let you live in it.
And now you know the reason for the age old rivalry between dogs and cats. Lol
Man will lose something if (sh)he fails to take cats and dogs with them into the Great Darkness.
Mankind without them is near unthinkable.
I assume we will, however we will also inevitably take rodents and Cockroaches as well. That's pretty much a given, the four creatures that follow man.
Oh my god! I can't believe someone actually mentioned this obvious solution to Fermi paradox.
How can a reasonable person assume that lights peed limited radio waves that are flooded by the torrent of stellar radiation is a reasonable method for interstellar communication any civilization would use...
Not just stars, planets and nebula put out a huge amount of radio noise as well.
Good material to be eating potatoes over.
My cats sometimes bring me half a mouse or 3/4 of a baby bird. In the past my miniature dachshunds have brought me a whole rat. I'm not ungrateful, every bit helps! 😉
Cats aren't what we used to control pests. We used dogs for that. Humans already had rat terriers and other breeds of dogs for rooting out pests eating crops when cats showed up.
Cats...just kind of came along and we ended up domesticated each other as much as we could. They did contribute to pest control, but they weren't the original contributors to that job.
I think people don’t know cat scratch fever is real and can kill humans. A few years ago at my work place we nearly lost a manager because of a scratch.
other then the bacteria , if i cat gets a good grump you you may need to get stitches
My wife identifies as feline, and she is deadly. I am joking. Mostly.
That is actually amazing and I would have never considered it.
Another pronunciation comment for you, though from another video of yours that I didn’t watch right away. Faux is pronounced the same as foe. It’s one of those weird borrowed french words. Also the c in facsimile is silent.
Will remember the Faux one but all the pronunciation sites i checked have facsimile with the c but with more of and X sound than c
Fax simile is how it is pronounced.
Cats and dogs would be the two animals we would want to take with us. Rodents and Cockroaches are the two pests we will probably take with us.
lol , probably
Lovable little gray fuzzbutt was mine and my late wife's companion for 10 years for her and 18 years with me until I had to take the last ride with her. Funny thing was we used to joke that the cat was the mouser that didn't mouse until one dsy after we had her 8 years she finally got one. Two years after i had to put the cat down i see something brown and furry duck under the stove and for the first time in over 20 plus years in this house I had to buy mousetraps and it became abundantly clear the knowledge that this house was under the protection of Smudge The Destroyer ( of mice) had become a story the mouse moms scared bad mouse children with. Only reason why I haven't gotten another cat is health reasons that means the cat will most likely outlive me and having watched Smudge mourn my wife as hard as I did I don't want to inflict that on any other kittuh.
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The Chinese killed all their birds causing the locusts population to go insane destroying the crops they killed the birds to protect, the awful thing is the birds used to keep the locusts population small because the birds ate them.
The crook that assumed the name Mao Zedong was an idiot.
In Africa, they solve this problem by just eating the locusts themselves.
Been watching your videos recently, honestly can't get enough of the narrations.
Also, for the algorithm!
glad you are enjoying the content , For the algorithm
interesting theory about agriculture and cats. i wonder if it's actually been looked at historically [i honestly don't know] but more importantly it means:
cats rule & dogs drool [coming from a firm dog fan]
They should report it to the devs
The addition caused the game balance to breake compleatly!
Leave it to the Catholic Church to declare that a great Boon to humanity is evil.
To be fair most religions have an issue with explanations of reality that don't fit within the limited world view of a book or scroll written a couple millennia ago and rewritten several times since then.
I think their theory discounts small breeds of dogs. In areas where we didn't have cats we used smaller dogs, like the dachshund. Small breeds of dogs have been around humans just as long as cats according to some sturdies.
I KNEW it was going to be cats!
They got attitude but they cute
I mean even now some people don't want to give up their manual labour jobs.
My cat was sitting on me while I listened to this one. She seemed to be listening with rapt attention.
Cats were probably 3~5 th domesticated animal for humanity as the cats function (rodent and pest control) didnt exist until city states and agriculture had established itself
Also cants arent exclusively solitary animals they ARE solitary hunters but they form loosely bonded social structures unlike the definitive hierarchies of canines and humans
The only way that would work if the predator was really good at hiding and escaping or foolhardy.
Cats " um yes we are that good and foolhardy"
We also breed certain dog breeds to hunt smaller animals.
I think it's safe to say no one ever tells cats this information thay are smug enough already without knowing that they're responsible for our species survival
Cats were treated as gods in Egypt. They have not forgotten.
And that's why Egypt exist no more
@@no-gracias9863 Pretty sure there's still a country called Egypt. They just don't worship cats any more.
@@noppornwongrassamee8941 it's was a joke
When were terriers developed? They hunt vermin, too. I can see cats domesticating themselves. I wonder what the dynamic was developing them both.
Always see stuff about dogs but it's nice to see one about cats.
keeper going
As a cat owner I can say this is 100% fact, just ask my cat how many mice he has killed this year alone.
This is why I fucking love cats, And is there an episode 2 to this amazing story?
not as far as i know
@@AgroSquerril I'd love to hear an episode 2 of this story wouldn't you?
That and the Toxoplasma Gondii.
With the second story the first thing i thought was it's cats
kittens domesticated us [ "oh look at the kitten it's so cute" ] ..then they grew up into cats ,and a deal was struck
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The only problem with this story is that the humans didn't already know how cats contributed to civilization. It's pretty widely known and accepted, I highly doubt it will be forgotten without global catastrophe. Even then, it would just happen again as none of the major players involved would be likely to be wiped out completely.
Thanks for the story
To please the algorithm is all meow!
For the algorithm
For the Algorithm the story and the voice
Dogs kill mice and stuff better than cats.Yes having MORE than one "pet" species!
Right now, no. Back then, even worse. We had to breed dogs to even be viable against rats and mice, and they aren't as good as cats. In fact, if you look at the second greatest living extinction event, that would be cats. They've wiped out entire species of rats, birds, lizards, basically anything that was smaller than them and that relied on those animals for food.
@@user-tu2dh5ro7i Also all cats can take out rodents early on, dogs need to be trained. (unless it's hunting lemmings) but ya, cat's are literally made for killing smaller things, with their eyes, ears, quiet bodies, and hooked claws. they are miniature killing machines.
Dogs are pact hunters optimized for killing larger prey.
@@user-tu2dh5ro7i Wolves will hunt mice and rats.
@@user-tu2dh5ro7i and torture them for fun now adays. Cats will kill, just to kill.
Dogs were first and best doggos
Feline terrain animals FTW!! FTA!!
Ah yes cats
We can actually freely examine humanity with and without domesticated animals thanks to the Americas and the isolated tribes of Indonesia. In the Americas, Dogs followed the first people, so they had dogs, but little else. There were no horses, cows, pigs, chickens, oxen, goats, donkeys, etc. The list of domesticated animals by the native americans was, Dogs, and Llamas. there were some pet species, but domesticated animals that did work and benefited society, that was sorely lacking because the americas lacked species that could be domesticated. You cant domestice a Bison with stone age tools, we can only barely do it now. And a deer, Its extremely unlikely to catch one, but even if you did, youre just as likely break all of its legs in the attempt as you are to lead it back to camp. And even if you tried, they can be dangerous when spooked, and cannot carry any serious weight, so they are of little use. When Cortez met the Aztecs, there were thousands of years of technological development between them. the Aztecs had built a great society, but they would still to this day not have developed iron tools if theyd been left to their own devices. They simply didnt have the abundant energy needed from domesticated animals to develop faster. However, the Aztecs did have advanced sports, legal code, and societal systems. So they werent stupid, they were advancing, but they were less advanced than even the Hitites of the bronze age. Now go to Indonesia. There are tribes still isolated from the rest of humanity. Tribes numbering only around 50 to 200 people per, but they have zero domesticated animals, and they have not even entered the Neolithic era, they still use stone tools, and are incapable of weaving fabric. Because they dont even have dogs, they have to spend all their time just surviving, and have done almost no advancing since their ancestors came to indonesia over 35,000 years ago. Its easy to see, that with every domesticated species a society has, the faster it runs through the technology evolution tree. in truth, by the 19th century, Europe only had around 2 dozen distinct species domesticated. however, once we reached the industrial revolution, the game changed, now the energy we could produce wasnt reliant on domesticated beasts, now it was our metal monsters and our minds that built the world. And with that, we could have as few or as many domesticated animals as we wished, all that mattered was metal and energy.
If anything, its dogs. Cats have only -really- been domestic animals in the last 120 years. While yes, they used to hang around in egypt in the year 600BC, they weren't really domestic animals. Dogs, on the other hand...
What is your source? 120 years is such an outrageous number. A quick search on wikipedia shows the first domestication of cats happened around 7500 BCE and that does have a source
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I assume he means the actual deliberate making of breeds. Like the naked cats and Scottish fold. Most cats are just variants of fur length and coat colors. But all modern domestic cats are descended of African cats. So humans would have had to deliberately take them with them to spread everywhere in the old world before Europeans finished the job to the destruction of many island birds and lizards.
Weird. And sneazzy
Meow ?
We domesticated animals first.
Then cats domesticated us.
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I am going to go huge my cats now
is that a potion or a ray?
Hhmm cats self domesticated themselves not once but twice.
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