I gotta say, it really is fascinating to listen to Twiins gush about character design. Tbh, I'm a bit envious about how you can just study a character and break down so much of their design beyond just "likes" and "dislikes." When it comes to the subject, your writing is absolutely top-notch!
Honestly when it comes to designing ninjas stealthily, it would probably come to making them black, grey, or some other muted color (I.e. noob saibot, smoke, ibuki) or try to differentiate them from each other with more color (I.e. scorpion, natuto). They all would kind of generic with only small details to make them different in terms of design. Realistically though, you are right, it’s definitely not stealthy
It truly is a double edged sword. Do you keep your ninja characters accurate, yet all very similar looking, or do you make them distinct and no longer accurate? It's a tough balancing act. I can't really think of any thing that keeps the ninjas properly stealthy while also making them unique from each other?
Lance just wants to be a vampire I mean look at his gold and silver sprite the man literally looks like Dracula. Also I think Pokémon masters and you have convinced me lance is indeed a himbo "What's that you say? Gyarados isn't a dragon type Pokémon? Haha not all dragons are dragon type pokemon!" him saying that in masters is so funny to me
23:23 Yes! Unova is my personal favorite region and I love the pokemon from there so much. Elsa's design and character is definitely one of my favorites, even though her volt switching Emolgas always demolish me when I fight her.
I think what makes Lorelei's design work is that 4 island is tropical in nature. Its a cute contrast though a small accesory shaped like ice would have elevated her design
Misty's frlg design is supposed to be a school swimsuit and her hgss design is more of a regional/olympic swim team look. Ninja historically used poison and bombs so Koga's darker appearance with tinges of purple and Janine's more flashy anime aesthetic really fit.
I always love your views on character designs. I'm very simple minded so I never really think about it, but then you'll point something out and my brain goes " huh" or " oh ya" or " now that you mention it". You've not learned to control the weather yet? Best get to level grinding.
Favorite Gym Leader Design: Fantina. Gorgeous dress, color, and unique typing pick. Favorite Elite Four Design: Agatha. I might be influenced a bit by the “Pokemon Generations” series, but that walking cane is just……so cleverly done. Favorite Champion Design: Me, in Alola. Lol, just kidding. It’s Cynthia. Of course it’s Cynthia.
"If we were looking at his hgss design, Blaine would be #1" Damn straight! There's one thing I dont think you mentioned with Blaine and it's how his character art tries show him as having a fiery personality, and his Hgss look shows that in spades
Alright, I'll be back for your Johto list. Really tho, I was sad you stopped with the RWBY videos, but I'm happy to see you branching out and it's always fun to get your insight on other topics. Keep up the good work!
Would you mind answering some questions for me? It would really help me out. So, I've made 18 videos since I uploaded the "I don't want to make vids about RWBY anymore" video. My questions are: 1) Are you subscribed to me? (please be honest, don't worry I won't be mad if you say "no") 2) Did you not see the other 17 videos before this one, or were you just not interested and didn't click on them? (again, please be honest)
@@twiinsiink Had my doubts of staying subscribed after your Goodbye RWBY video, but bc I stan your sarcastic humor and in depth takes on designs I stayed subscribed. Personally, your discussion videos are mostly what keep me around. I've watched all, but your drawn out vids (sorry not much of a fan of those) and your merch vid (broke college student here lol) I really just wanted to show my support for this video in particular as I'm really hoping to get your opinion on the other region's leaders while also letting you know that a lot of us subscribed for your RWBY content, but stayed for your personality!
@@Luckystomp1 That's ok! I wanted to ask because I've gotten some comments implying that people weren't seeing my vids in their subscription boxes, and I wanted to see if that was an at large problem, or just a couple of people's youtube pages being weird. Thank you!
I always loved sabrina's HHSS look because both in the manga and in the games its said that she became a more social person over the 3 years. This eventually lead her to being a model(i think) for a time and in BW we learn that she now has a actress career. Its like watching her go from that antisocial emo phase as a teenager to a young adult that goes out, talks to people starts to find out what she wants to a grown woman thats found her passion. Its rare that any pokemon character goes through much progression as a character in the games
Huh, I never thought I would get to see a character design analysis of Pokemon region's Gym Leaders and the Elite Four. This was really good! I think it'd be pretty cool if you go down the list of regions and rank those ones too (and kind of turn this into a series), but that's for you to decide if you want to or not
Do you think Giovanni would have ranked higher if he was a normal type gym leader instead? when you were mentioning that he doesn't express ground typing through his design I noticed he looks more like a normal type leader. Even as a final leader it could still be a tough fight since he has his iconic Persian as well as the kangaskhan he used throughout the game, plus normal has very strong other pokemon like tauros and snorlax
That could definitely have helped. He's certainly more fashionable than Brock's "just a shirt" look. Honestly if Giovanni was a dark type gym leader, he for sure would've been higher. But, of course that type didn't exist in Kanto originally. Maybe just making the suit brown could have fixed it?
It was actually discovered recently that, in the Beta versions of Red & Blue, Giovanni was originally going to be a Flying-type Gym Leader. His team would've been a Farfetch'd, Fearow, Dodrio, Pidgeot, and Aerodactyl. This also explains pretty well why his Gym badge looks like a feather.
@@scavengerace Interesting theory, but I'm curious as to what your source is? I've never heard of this before, and there's nothing suggesting it on Bulbapedia either. His badge (the Earth Badge) is also shaped like a leaf of a Sakaki tree, of which he's named after in Japan.
I’m a huge Pokémon nerd and if I remember it’s confirmed that Agatha was fighting professors Oaks Nidorino in the opening. She was also Oaks rival. But then again this isn’t told in the main games or through her design.
If memory serves, there was a rumor that Erica was originally planed to be the Gym Leader of Lavender Town. Instead of Grass, she was going to be a Ghost-type trainer, and her signature kimono was mean to imulate the ones worn by Shrine Maidens.
I dont think I would have the hearth to put someone of kanto down on a list. I like them all and I have quite fond memories of them... save for Lance someone give this man some love in character design x'D
I loved this! I haven’t seen anyone analyse these designs before so it was such a joy to watch. I’m super excited for the possibility of you doing other generations too, there are a lot of really neat ones to look at. And some fashion CRIMES to shun forever. It’ll be great!
This video is definitely a new favorite of mine, I loved seeing you go through each design and pick them apart (also helps that one of my favorite gym leaders was number one, but that's neither here nor there). I hope you do even more videos in this manner- seeing you gush about character design has always been one of my favorite aspects about your channel, and this video was no different. Also, I know her side ponytail is iconic, but I wonder- if Misty didn't have it and just had short hair, do you think she would look more like her title "The Tomboyish Mermaid" more?
The short-hair look is definitely the "tomboy" design that's popular these days. I think the ponytail works because of when the original games came out. That side ponytail was much more in line with the "sporty anime girl" of the 90's. Honestly I think it's the shorts in the Let's Go version that helps her feel more "Tomboy". Ready for the water but not in an overtly feminine swimsuit.
Giovanni in go looks like if someone smooshed Pre-Fall of Beacon James Ironwood's face and replaced his Atlas outfit with something in the Team Rocket Style. "Looks like the Ace Ops are blasting off again!"
Misty's side pony tail thing also kinda makes her hair look like a Fish, if the pony tail was the back fin. I have no idea if thats the point but I thought of this just now
As a Pokemon Adventures fan, it’s my obligatory/not so obligatory desire to push the manga in terms of character design. Now they do use the same character designs and don’t stray too far from original artwork(apart from Surge that one chapter where he was given military gear) who actually , but it’s the characterization that does help some characters relate to their designs more like how Blaine as a scientist is played up more in his backstory and Giovanni’s suit blends itself to how Moldable he is as a character as not the one dimensional crime boss.
The character design for the protagonist is where the manga really shines imo. Normally pretty subtle but sapphires fangs, gold's extra gear, pretty much everyone's facial expressions, etc all normally look good and fit in with their newly injected character traits they get to have for the first time.
I think Giovanni gets a pass for not evoking ground type. His position as a gym leader is meant to be a *twist*. If he was tossing out "ground type" with his appearance, a first time player would wonder why the leader of this evil team has a type theme happening. Especially since the only named characters who do that before the twist are gym leaders. Even his name, when usually the names of characters are corrupted to make the pun obvious, is Giovanni, when it should be the much punnier Geovanni. Now that it's been 20 years and everyone knows the twist, could they redesign him and give him some ground elements? Probably. But it would have to be a very fine balancing act with his mafioso aesthetic.
Huh, surprised she got to be number 1. Not complaining at all, just surprised. Though since you've mentioned that you know of the Adventure's existence, part of me is wondering if you plan on talking about how the protags get characterized and your thoughts on them.
No current plans to discuss Adventure's protagonists. I unfortunately don't have much of the manga, so I'm not particularly qualified to make a vid about them. Perhaps some day though!
Id LOVE to see you do the rest of the generations gym leaders! I love pokemon and as a colourblind person with an art degree I just love hearing someone gush about something I can't always experience myself. Thankyou for helping me love my childhood memories a little bit more ❤
Istg this is such a good video Now I’m expecting these characters in a drawn out or maybe the alolan designs Although I can understand you not making those if you don’t want to
You know, as a standalone design Sabrina's FRLG version does convey a little about her personality with a second glance. She's stoic and emotionless, which goes well with the fact that she isn't good at normal interactions with people and that nothing surprises her because she can see the future. Of course, this stuff only really comes through when you know more about her. However, the huge contrast with her HGSS design adds a LOT of character to her I feel. Never played HGSS so I don't know if it goes into it much, but the much casual design really gives the impression that she's gotten much better at expressing herself compared to her OG design. Like she's gone from 'I know when you are going to die' to 'I hope this outfit makes me look approachable despite knowing the dark truths of reality'. The HGSS design on it's own doesn't do much to convey her personality, but the sharp difference in her designs does.
Hmm, a bit difficult for me. If we're just talking about asthetically pleasing and conveys typing then I agree with you and have Erica as my favorite, but in terms of personal favorite I gotta give it to Blue in the end. His cocky design just makes me want to kick his ass, and I add some points for when a design invokes an aimed for emotion well.
This was a super fun video to watch and I love listening to you enthuse about design and your keen analytical eye! Definitely looking forward to any follow ups you might make, like the Johto one you mentioned!!
Great video ! 100% agree on the number 1 spot and also Blaine's HGSS design because it's just so good. Personally I think I'd raise Sabrina over Lance and Misty over Agatha but otherwise I think you actually have pretty much the same list that I'd make.
Agatha is just old person? Not much characterization? I get that this is more based on design and lore. However she is arguably the most vocal if the elite four of which she is about. She was a old friend and rival to Prof. Oak back he was still into battling Pokemon. Days she clearly misses when states how she loathes how he decided to quit fighting and started researching Pokemon to later make the Pokedex and become a professor. She became so bitter that it soured her view on Pokemon outside of battle. This and the games also hint her having a one sided crush on him back then, so she saw the change in goals as a betrayal to both her and her worldview.
Yes, please do another design ranking of Gym Leaders of other generations, I really like your analysis on this! Also, maybe you could do design analysis on villainous teams/organizations and their leaders, Champions, and other characters that are not Gym Leaders/Elite 4. For example like Zinnia, N, AZ, the rivals, etc. I'd like to hear your thoughts on them.
Misty and Sabrina were so underrated! I think other kimonos represent Erika better. I'm looking forward to more of this series! Particularly Flannery, and the Unova leaders. Unova in particular you have to factor in that all the gym leaders have day jobs unrelated to Pokemon battling.
For this region especially, I think it’s important to acknowledge the hardware these games were on, specifically the display technology used. The original Game Boy was monochrome, so you really needed the reference art to get an idea of the colors. The original GBA had a non-backlit screen, so games had to be calibrated for that. The Switch, of course, has a much more modern screen. That’s part of the reason the art is different, at least in-game.
Yes ,new alternative outfits for Bruno and Lt. Surge in Masters would be great and I'm really hoping they'll get something thought sadly I don't think that's gonna happen I don't think they're really popular enough to make DeNa go through the effort of designing a good alt
22:51 I actually really like this list the only reason I kinda disagree with some of the choices is because I value if they present there typing well enough , and if they look good over character . For example Lorelei( ice type gym leader) is worse to me than Bruno(fighting type) , while I can say Lorelei looks slightly better I don’t associate purple or black with ice. While Bruno is over exaggerated you instantly think fighting type gym leader who is a martial artist🥋 . I can’t do that with Lorelei as I think tropical or fire type gym leader who is a teacher 🧑🏫 /librarian?That’s personally just me though as I can see how characteristics/character is still important. Overall I can still see your point with your list and understand your rankings very easily. I personally would put Janine over Erika is because Janine looks poisonous ninja . While Erika ,in my opinion , looks more yellow than green . However I do agree that if your trying to be stealthy like a ninja 🥷 a big scarf 🧣 does not help. 23:09 I actually agree as I prefer the Let’s Go and Pokémon Masters EX designs more as I believe what type they represent more obviously and just straight up look better even the villainous looking Lance.
Erika is my favorite Gym Leader, so very happy to see her on the top, I always think that some people underrated her and grass types, her Gym back in the first games Red/Blue/Green/Yellow, was a headache because of the Stun Spore/Sleep Powder/Poison Powder and if it was a Bellsprout/Weepinbell/Victreebell with Wrap, the Gym could be a total nightmare, sadly that mechanic was downgraded. Lt. Surge is also my favorite, as he looks as the more agressive (in contrast to Erika), so seeing him almost at the bottom is a surprise for me, however I got it and I agree why he is there.
You mentioned some of the other media depictions for characters like Brock and Lorelei but didn't go into too much detail. Did a design in the manga or anime being better or worse than the in-game counterpart weigh them down?
Good question! No, I didn't consider any designs outside of the Fire Red/ Leaf Green looks for their ranking. For example, while I feel Brock's original anime look is more iconic and has a more interesting silhouette, that didn't effect where he went on the list.
I like Erika so she's number 1. :D Okay, I made this comment before actually watching the video. Afterwards, I have to clarify that I just wrote it like this because Erika is my personal favourite out of all Kanto gym leaders with Sabrina being 2nd. Perhaps this is also biased because Erika and Sabrina are the best at showing the player what their respective type can do, both have amazing and strong teams in-game and beautiful designs to compliment their type. Bruno should really feel bad. :D He's such a pushover in-game and just has this feral buff guy look to him. This could have been really interesting, but he just sits there doing nothing.
JANINE APPRECIATION LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Idk for sure yet but my top would look like: 1. Sabrina (HGSS) 2. Blaine (HGSS) 3. Janine (HGSS) 4. Misty (HGSS/LGPE) 5. Erika (LGPE) 6. Blue (HGSS) 7. Lance (LGPE) 8. Agatha (LGPE) 9. Brock (HGSS) and i also really like the simplicity of Bruno.
I actually prefer Misty's design in HGSS the most as I never liked her little side ponytail. I grew up with both Misty and May as companions because my access to certain episodes and movies 1-9 before DP came on tv. I never liked her hair style considering it just lesser than Mays, Dawn's and the rest of the girls
Twiins *points at Erika* : "This one sparks Joy."
Twiins *points at Bruno* : "This one does not spark Joy."
I gotta say, it really is fascinating to listen to Twiins gush about character design. Tbh, I'm a bit envious about how you can just study a character and break down so much of their design beyond just "likes" and "dislikes." When it comes to the subject, your writing is absolutely top-notch!
Thank you so much!
@@twiinsiink ...Are you going to do the other generations, or was this just a Kanto one and done?
@@wanderlustwarrior I'll be doing more in time :)
“ he knows it and he’s right just at how spiky that hair is” I laughed so hard my cat came in the room to check on me
"welcome to the runway sweetheart, strut your stuff and don't f*ck it up"
Gone 💀💀💀
Is it sad that every time it said “whose that Pokémon” i said “ITS PIKACHU”
Honestly, same. lol
"It's clefairy!"
@@somedragonbastard FUUUUUUUU-
Honestly when it comes to designing ninjas stealthily, it would probably come to making them black, grey, or some other muted color (I.e. noob saibot, smoke, ibuki) or try to differentiate them from each other with more color (I.e. scorpion, natuto). They all would kind of generic with only small details to make them different in terms of design. Realistically though, you are right, it’s definitely not stealthy
It truly is a double edged sword. Do you keep your ninja characters accurate, yet all very similar looking, or do you make them distinct and no longer accurate?
It's a tough balancing act. I can't really think of any thing that keeps the ninjas properly stealthy while also making them unique from each other?
I've always wanted to see analysis of Pokemon characters' designs. This was great, please do more!
So TL;DR, Pokemon Let’s Go! did great in redesigning Kanto and I personally agree highly.
Lance just wants to be a vampire I mean look at his gold and silver sprite the man literally looks like Dracula. Also I think Pokémon masters and you have convinced me lance is indeed a himbo "What's that you say? Gyarados isn't a dragon type Pokémon? Haha not all dragons are dragon type pokemon!" him saying that in masters is so funny to me
oh my god the unstealthy ninjas 😂😂😂
this was a pleasant surprise! if you do end up doing johto or the other future regions, i'm really excited for it!
23:23 Yes! Unova is my personal favorite region and I love the pokemon from there so much. Elsa's design and character is definitely one of my favorites, even though her volt switching Emolgas always demolish me when I fight her.
I’d love this to become a series.
I think what makes Lorelei's design work is that 4 island is tropical in nature. Its a cute contrast though a small accesory shaped like ice would have elevated her design
Misty's frlg design is supposed to be a school swimsuit and her hgss design is more of a regional/olympic swim team look.
Ninja historically used poison and bombs so Koga's darker appearance with tinges of purple and Janine's more flashy anime aesthetic really fit.
I love the videos where you rank designs, can't wait to watch this one.
I always love your views on character designs. I'm very simple minded so I never really think about it, but then you'll point something out and my brain goes " huh" or " oh ya" or " now that you mention it". You've not learned to control the weather yet? Best get to level grinding.
Favorite Gym Leader Design: Fantina. Gorgeous dress, color, and unique typing pick.
Favorite Elite Four Design: Agatha. I might be influenced a bit by the “Pokemon Generations” series, but that walking cane is just……so cleverly done.
Favorite Champion Design: Me, in Alola. Lol, just kidding. It’s Cynthia. Of course it’s Cynthia.
"If we were looking at his hgss design, Blaine would be #1"
Damn straight! There's one thing I dont think you mentioned with Blaine and it's how his character art tries show him as having a fiery personality, and his Hgss look shows that in spades
Alright, I'll be back for your Johto list.
Really tho, I was sad you stopped with the RWBY videos, but I'm happy to see you branching out and it's always fun to get your insight on other topics. Keep up the good work!
Would you mind answering some questions for me? It would really help me out.
So, I've made 18 videos since I uploaded the "I don't want to make vids about RWBY anymore" video. My questions are:
1) Are you subscribed to me? (please be honest, don't worry I won't be mad if you say "no")
2) Did you not see the other 17 videos before this one, or were you just not interested and didn't click on them? (again, please be honest)
@@twiinsiink Had my doubts of staying subscribed after your Goodbye RWBY video, but bc I stan your sarcastic humor and in depth takes on designs I stayed subscribed. Personally, your discussion videos are mostly what keep me around.
I've watched all, but your drawn out vids (sorry not much of a fan of those) and your merch vid (broke college student here lol)
I really just wanted to show my support for this video in particular as I'm really hoping to get your opinion on the other region's leaders while also letting you know that a lot of us subscribed for your RWBY content, but stayed for your personality!
@@Luckystomp1 That's ok! I wanted to ask because I've gotten some comments implying that people weren't seeing my vids in their subscription boxes, and I wanted to see if that was an at large problem, or just a couple of people's youtube pages being weird.
Thank you!
I always loved sabrina's HHSS look because both in the manga and in the games its said that she became a more social person over the 3 years. This eventually lead her to being a model(i think) for a time and in BW we learn that she now has a actress career. Its like watching her go from that antisocial emo phase as a teenager to a young adult that goes out, talks to people starts to find out what she wants to a grown woman thats found her passion.
Its rare that any pokemon character goes through much progression as a character in the games
It is really cool to get to see her develop over the years!
I find your list videos so helpful when I try to design my own character. Keep up the wonderful work!
Huh, I never thought I would get to see a character design analysis of Pokemon region's Gym Leaders and the Elite Four. This was really good! I think it'd be pretty cool if you go down the list of regions and rank those ones too (and kind of turn this into a series), but that's for you to decide if you want to or not
OOO! This was so good! I hope you do the rest of the regions!
Do you think Giovanni would have ranked higher if he was a normal type gym leader instead? when you were mentioning that he doesn't express ground typing through his design I noticed he looks more like a normal type leader. Even as a final leader it could still be a tough fight since he has his iconic Persian as well as the kangaskhan he used throughout the game, plus normal has very strong other pokemon like tauros and snorlax
That could definitely have helped. He's certainly more fashionable than Brock's "just a shirt" look. Honestly if Giovanni was a dark type gym leader, he for sure would've been higher. But, of course that type didn't exist in Kanto originally.
Maybe just making the suit brown could have fixed it?
@@twiinsiink Dark type would have been great, would have defiantly fit the whole "evil team" vibe
I *always* mistook him as a Normal type leader as a kid...
Glad I wasn't alone on somewhat seeing it, that or a Dark type
It was actually discovered recently that, in the Beta versions of Red & Blue, Giovanni was originally going to be a Flying-type Gym Leader. His team would've been a Farfetch'd, Fearow, Dodrio, Pidgeot, and Aerodactyl. This also explains pretty well why his Gym badge looks like a feather.
@@scavengerace Interesting theory, but I'm curious as to what your source is? I've never heard of this before, and there's nothing suggesting it on Bulbapedia either. His badge (the Earth Badge) is also shaped like a leaf of a Sakaki tree, of which he's named after in Japan.
My boy koga getting some love even if it's a little
I’m a huge Pokémon nerd and if I remember it’s confirmed that Agatha was fighting professors Oaks Nidorino in the opening. She was also Oaks rival. But then again this isn’t told in the main games or through her design.
If memory serves, there was a rumor that Erica was originally planed to be the Gym Leader of Lavender Town. Instead of Grass, she was going to be a Ghost-type trainer, and her signature kimono was mean to imulate the ones worn by Shrine Maidens.
I dont think I would have the hearth to put someone of kanto down on a list. I like them all and I have quite fond memories of them... save for Lance someone give this man some love in character design x'D
I'm dying with 15:50 xD
Twins really pulled up with a Pokemon Gym Leader Drip Tier List
I loved this! I haven’t seen anyone analyse these designs before so it was such a joy to watch. I’m super excited for the possibility of you doing other generations too, there are a lot of really neat ones to look at. And some fashion CRIMES to shun forever. It’ll be great!
This video is definitely a new favorite of mine, I loved seeing you go through each design and pick them apart (also helps that one of my favorite gym leaders was number one, but that's neither here nor there). I hope you do even more videos in this manner- seeing you gush about character design has always been one of my favorite aspects about your channel, and this video was no different.
Also, I know her side ponytail is iconic, but I wonder- if Misty didn't have it and just had short hair, do you think she would look more like her title "The Tomboyish Mermaid" more?
The short-hair look is definitely the "tomboy" design that's popular these days. I think the ponytail works because of when the original games came out. That side ponytail was much more in line with the "sporty anime girl" of the 90's.
Honestly I think it's the shorts in the Let's Go version that helps her feel more "Tomboy". Ready for the water but not in an overtly feminine swimsuit.
Now I want to see what you think of the Unova gym leaders because I absolutely loved Pokémon Black when I was younger.
I especially love how Janine's scarf is meant to look like a Pecha Berry, adding another layer to her poison motif
Giovanni in go looks like if someone smooshed Pre-Fall of Beacon James Ironwood's face and replaced his Atlas outfit with something in the Team Rocket Style.
"Looks like the Ace Ops are blasting off again!"
Misty's side pony tail thing also kinda makes her hair look like a Fish, if the pony tail was the back fin. I have no idea if thats the point but I thought of this just now
the world of pokemon is where people just wore what ever the hell they liked to work. even the uniforms look goddamn cool.
This breakdown was so entertaining
As a Pokemon Adventures fan, it’s my obligatory/not so obligatory desire to push the manga in terms of character design. Now they do use the same character designs and don’t stray too far from original artwork(apart from Surge that one chapter where he was given military gear) who actually , but it’s the characterization that does help some characters relate to their designs more like how Blaine as a scientist is played up more in his backstory and Giovanni’s suit blends itself to how Moldable he is as a character as not the one dimensional crime boss.
For sure, the manga versions are basically completely unique characters from the games, which is pretty cool!
The character design for the protagonist is where the manga really shines imo. Normally pretty subtle but sapphires fangs, gold's extra gear, pretty much everyone's facial expressions, etc all normally look good and fit in with their newly injected character traits they get to have for the first time.
I think Giovanni gets a pass for not evoking ground type. His position as a gym leader is meant to be a *twist*. If he was tossing out "ground type" with his appearance, a first time player would wonder why the leader of this evil team has a type theme happening. Especially since the only named characters who do that before the twist are gym leaders. Even his name, when usually the names of characters are corrupted to make the pun obvious, is Giovanni, when it should be the much punnier Geovanni.
Now that it's been 20 years and everyone knows the twist, could they redesign him and give him some ground elements? Probably. But it would have to be a very fine balancing act with his mafioso aesthetic.
Huh, surprised she got to be number 1. Not complaining at all, just surprised.
Though since you've mentioned that you know of the Adventure's existence, part of me is wondering if you plan on talking about how the protags get characterized and your thoughts on them.
No current plans to discuss Adventure's protagonists. I unfortunately don't have much of the manga, so I'm not particularly qualified to make a vid about them. Perhaps some day though!
I love when you analyze and critic designs hopefully you can do the others regions leaders and elite four.
Really enjoyed that. Would love to see more on the other gym leaders or maybe other groups like the protagonists or something.
Id LOVE to see you do the rest of the generations gym leaders! I love pokemon and as a colourblind person with an art degree I just love hearing someone gush about something I can't always experience myself. Thankyou for helping me love my childhood memories a little bit more ❤
Surge in a suit is the best. It’s always nice to see your art in a video.
I hope this becomes a series! I really enjoyed this vid!!!
Watching the Anime is really good gives you more information about all the gym leader personality and story you wouldn't think of
dang i'm binge watching all your videos after seeing this one lol. hyped for your sword/shield gym leader ranking
Istg this is such a good video
Now I’m expecting these characters in a drawn out or maybe the alolan designs
Although I can understand you not making those if you don’t want to
Oh boy I can’t wait to see how Unova gets ranked if this goes on to become a series.
Love this! Looking forward to Johto and beyond.
Character design videos give me so much comfort and happiness 🥰😁
I love this idea!!
YES, MORE OF THIS. PLEASE! :D
I'd love to see more of this for the other gens
This was really cool. I would love a part 2.
*Puts my childhood crush on the okay ones*
How could you do this :(
They same way I put Brock and Surge so low.... you can have a crush on someone even if they only look fine.
You know, as a standalone design Sabrina's FRLG version does convey a little about her personality with a second glance. She's stoic and emotionless, which goes well with the fact that she isn't good at normal interactions with people and that nothing surprises her because she can see the future. Of course, this stuff only really comes through when you know more about her.
However, the huge contrast with her HGSS design adds a LOT of character to her I feel. Never played HGSS so I don't know if it goes into it much, but the much casual design really gives the impression that she's gotten much better at expressing herself compared to her OG design. Like she's gone from 'I know when you are going to die' to 'I hope this outfit makes me look approachable despite knowing the dark truths of reality'. The HGSS design on it's own doesn't do much to convey her personality, but the sharp difference in her designs does.
Hmm, a bit difficult for me. If we're just talking about asthetically pleasing and conveys typing then I agree with you and have Erica as my favorite, but in terms of personal favorite I gotta give it to Blue in the end. His cocky design just makes me want to kick his ass, and I add some points for when a design invokes an aimed for emotion well.
I love these ranking design videos. I'm low-key hoping you do this for every region eventually 👀
This was a super fun video to watch and I love listening to you enthuse about design and your keen analytical eye! Definitely looking forward to any follow ups you might make, like the Johto one you mentioned!!
That's a really cool video ! I hope you do the rest of the generations ! ^^
Is this gonna be an ongoing series? THIS SHOULD BE AN ONGOING SERIES!
Great video ! 100% agree on the number 1 spot and also Blaine's HGSS design because it's just so good. Personally I think I'd raise Sabrina over Lance and Misty over Agatha but otherwise I think you actually have pretty much the same list that I'd make.
Agatha is just old person? Not much characterization? I get that this is more based on design and lore. However she is arguably the most vocal if the elite four of which she is about. She was a old friend and rival to Prof. Oak back he was still into battling Pokemon. Days she clearly misses when states how she loathes how he decided to quit fighting and started researching Pokemon to later make the Pokedex and become a professor. She became so bitter that it soured her view on Pokemon outside of battle. This and the games also hint her having a one sided crush on him back then, so she saw the change in goals as a betrayal to both her and her worldview.
Yes, please do another design ranking of Gym Leaders of other generations, I really like your analysis on this! Also, maybe you could do design analysis on villainous teams/organizations and their leaders, Champions, and other characters that are not Gym Leaders/Elite 4. For example like Zinnia, N, AZ, the rivals, etc. I'd like to hear your thoughts on them.
Please make another one. I love this so much.
Pokémon black and white are my absolute favorite Pokémon games and I would love to see you rank their character designs as well🥳
I'm all for this being a series. 💕
Also, if you squint, Erika kinda looks like she's cosplaying as a tree.
this video was great!
Misty and Sabrina were so underrated! I think other kimonos represent Erika better.
I'm looking forward to more of this series! Particularly Flannery, and the Unova leaders. Unova in particular you have to factor in that all the gym leaders have day jobs unrelated to Pokemon battling.
yes plz do more generations love you videos 10/10 would watch again
For this region especially, I think it’s important to acknowledge the hardware these games were on, specifically the display technology used. The original Game Boy was monochrome, so you really needed the reference art to get an idea of the colors. The original GBA had a non-backlit screen, so games had to be calibrated for that. The Switch, of course, has a much more modern screen. That’s part of the reason the art is different, at least in-game.
I’m excited to see this continue for the future gens.
Please do future gens.
Yes ,new alternative outfits for Bruno and Lt. Surge in Masters would be great and I'm really hoping they'll get something thought sadly I don't think that's gonna happen I don't think they're really popular enough to make DeNa go through the effort of designing a good alt
22:51 I actually really like this list the only reason I kinda disagree with some of the choices is because I value if they present there typing well enough , and if they look good over character . For example Lorelei( ice type gym leader) is worse to me than Bruno(fighting type) , while I can say Lorelei looks slightly better I don’t associate purple or black with ice. While Bruno is over exaggerated you instantly think fighting type gym leader who is a martial artist🥋 . I can’t do that with Lorelei as I think tropical or fire type gym leader who is a teacher 🧑🏫 /librarian?That’s personally just me though as I can see how characteristics/character is still important. Overall I can still see your point with your list and understand your rankings very easily. I personally would put Janine over Erika is because Janine looks poisonous ninja . While Erika ,in my opinion , looks more yellow than green . However I do agree that if your trying to be stealthy like a ninja 🥷 a big scarf 🧣 does not help. 23:09 I actually agree as I prefer the Let’s Go and Pokémon Masters EX designs more as I believe what type they represent more obviously and just straight up look better even the villainous looking Lance.
Yaaayyyy pls do more pokemon trainer designs OR pokemon art styles of the official artists
Erika is my favorite Gym Leader, so very happy to see her on the top, I always think that some people underrated her and grass types, her Gym back in the first games Red/Blue/Green/Yellow, was a headache because of the Stun Spore/Sleep Powder/Poison Powder and if it was a Bellsprout/Weepinbell/Victreebell with Wrap, the Gym could be a total nightmare, sadly that mechanic was downgraded.
Lt. Surge is also my favorite, as he looks as the more agressive (in contrast to Erika), so seeing him almost at the bottom is a surprise for me, however I got it and I agree why he is there.
Oh yesh, I wanna hear your thoughts on Cynthia
You mentioned some of the other media depictions for characters like Brock and Lorelei but didn't go into too much detail. Did a design in the manga or anime being better or worse than the in-game counterpart weigh them down?
Good question! No, I didn't consider any designs outside of the Fire Red/ Leaf Green looks for their ranking. For example, while I feel Brock's original anime look is more iconic and has a more interesting silhouette, that didn't effect where he went on the list.
Ho boy I wanna see more of this
I loved this video can you do the rest of the regions
Giovanni gives off more of a Steel type trainer if anything
Please make this a series
What I learm with this video? The Let's Go designs are the best
Lt. Surge is likely loosely based on Guile from Street Fighter, so that influenced his design a fair bit.
It's weird to say, but I think the orange suit of anime-Giovanni captures the Ground type more than the all-black.
I'm more of a gen 5 SIMP, not a big fan of gen 1 no offense, but this is definitely interesting!
I like Erika so she's number 1. :D
Okay, I made this comment before actually watching the video. Afterwards, I have to clarify that I just wrote it like this because Erika is my personal favourite out of all Kanto gym leaders with Sabrina being 2nd. Perhaps this is also biased because Erika and Sabrina are the best at showing the player what their respective type can do, both have amazing and strong teams in-game and beautiful designs to compliment their type.
Bruno should really feel bad. :D He's such a pushover in-game and just has this feral buff guy look to him. This could have been really interesting, but he just sits there doing nothing.
Idk I really like Blue's HG/SS design. Also, keep in mind his JP name is Green, which is why he wears green in his S/M design.
sabrina best girl eyy
JANINE APPRECIATION LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Idk for sure yet but my top would look like:
1. Sabrina (HGSS)
2. Blaine (HGSS)
3. Janine (HGSS)
4. Misty (HGSS/LGPE)
5. Erika (LGPE)
6. Blue (HGSS)
7. Lance (LGPE)
8. Agatha (LGPE)
9. Brock (HGSS)
and i also really like the simplicity of Bruno.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who loves Elisa.
The moment you realize lt surge looks like guile from street fighter except the hair
He looks SO MUCH like Guile!
Putting them side by side makes me think Janine and Erika would make a cute couple. :D
I mean ninja do use poison so one would think a ninja would be poison or dark type.
I actually prefer Misty's design in HGSS the most as I never liked her little side ponytail.
I grew up with both Misty and May as companions because my access to certain episodes and movies 1-9 before DP came on tv. I never liked her hair style considering it just lesser than Mays, Dawn's and the rest of the girls
Are you doing the rest of the gym leaders and elite four for each region?
Pokemon’s human characters need more recognition
Blue is a waiter... Waiter to be defeated!!!!