The TRUTH About Chinese Hospitals
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Hey guys nice video! I'm Chinese myself and I feel like I have to share this story: about two years ago my father had dinner with some of his close friends and had a lot of baijiu (I'm sure you know what that means c-milk), and after the dinner he felt very bad in his heart. My parents were very worried so they called an ambulance (I was overseas at the time). So they were at this big public hospital and my dad went through tests. The doctor came with the results and said to him: you will need to get a heart bypass(which is very costly to do in China). My father was so scared and agreed to it immediately, but my mother was skeptical, and they eventually went to a new private hospital, which came from Taiwan. After some checking, the doctors immediately found out that my father had diabetes, and there's nothing wrong with his heart. I found out about this story when I eventually went back home during semester breaks, and it still makes me so fucking furious every time I think about it.
well it's good that they discovered he has diabetes... but diabetes by itself doesn't cause symptoms that mimic a heart attack.
You're missing the point. There was no mistake. The doctors simply wanted to make more money by making his father have an unnecessary surgery that could kill him. And diabetes causes nerve pain.
A heart bypass recommendation on a days worth of test? Jesus, that's like saying you need jaw reconstruction cause you have a cavity on your tooth.
nanky432 exactly
I imagine there may not have been anything wrong with his heart, but there may have been built up clogged arteries and the like. Diabetes doesn't cause heart pain as you are indicating....But it does cause an onslaught of issues that are more or less dangerous depending on the how bad his diabetes is. I am assuming, for the sake of the physician who chose to do a heartbypass surgery that he would have thought the procedures would benefit your father or that he would need it in the future. Unfortunately, this happens around the world--physicians sometimes "over prescribe" or perform "unnecessary" surgeries/procedures. However, their decisions are not purely money driven. They have to consider liability. For "safety" they may opt to do more procedures rather than less. etc. I think a lot of people don't realize that medicine is not entirely precise like math where 2+2=4. It is an art form and requires a lot of considerations. People outside of medicine don't realize the other factors involved and jump to certain conclusions etc.
Like this dude in the video that says the doctors and pharmacists are "under-trained" in China. I highly doubt that and would imagine it depends on the area they are in and the schools the doctors came from. This gentleman claiming he trains physicians would know that medical equipments are always changing and a person's ability to use medical equipment doesn't necessarily mean that they lack knowledge in their field. Additionally, he spoke about an (I imagine these "doctors" he's training are students) prescribing him an antibiotic he is allergic to. I imagine that he spoke to the student in English(since he doesn't speak Chinese) and perhaps (benefit of the doubt) the student didn't remember the name of the specific antibiotic he was allergic too. (etc.) Which is fine, since he trains students, he would know that they make mistakes before they are perfect. It just seems to me like these two are the bane of their society back home and think they are on a pedestal in China and reap it's benefits while being judgmental and rude. It's really hypocritical.
I am a Registered Nurse from the USA and like you, Have taught Doctors and nurses in China at a major Medical University and its Affiliated hospitals for the last 6 years. But unlike you I'm leaving, as I just cannot cope with the institutionalized corruption and the lack of academic integrity in medical universities. Most of all though the complete lack of professionalism, ethical practice, empathy and, honesty of Chinese Nurses and doctors is something that is not going to change..and to be honest I feel like I have wasted 6 years of my life in trying to make things better.
interesting.
Chinese people in China are terrible when it comes to ethics. I was having a few honest conversation with a female. I was sharing my way of thinking about life, my knowledge and past education. She was following the whole conversation, and she could not believe that me, living abroad was impressing her soo much, what I have learned and the way how I want to solve problems. She must have thought - this can not be possible, and she did mention that to me, in China people are not so ethical . No, Robert you are not wasting your life or your years. You taught what you know and do what you can. They understand what they are doing. One day they are working.... with their patients, they will remember your words and techniques.
Monique Vee
generalization, but true if you lived here in China you would know Chinese will kill for, rob for, cheat for, care for, love for their own family, but if your not family they dont give a damn about you.
***** goes a lot further back than Mao try reading Confucius. The scribe of social control.
Robert Little I did not say this. I was talking about myself. But that is what she told me and she was surprised about me. But my thinking does not reflect people s thinking in general , everywhere I am in the world, I see things through what I have learned, and what I know, and through Gods eyes.
Congratulations to the C-Milk Family and let's not forget about Uncle Serpentza. It's really great of you to share for us to see all are doing well. Looking forward to more expansions in the future.
+Dobermanator thanks!
i feel like watching the traffic in china that you will be needing that health insurance at some point.
lol these guys were just chilled everywhere
You have no idea my friend. I live there quite a bit and every time you participate in trafic is a gamble with death
That's like a reverse attitude compared to Japan. Japanese don't even accept "tips" in restaurants cause they are supposed to give good service regardless of pay. Can't imagine doctors needing bribe just to do what they are suppose to do.
Many country dont accept tips though(´ω｀*)ゝ include my country ^^
They don't touch directly on this topic directly but Chinese doctors don't abide by what in the West are standard medical ethics. Hospitals are for profit businesses, even government managed hospitals.
Most Chinese are convinced that they won't get necessary attention unless they give hongbao. It's a problem on both sides, but the medical profession has no incentive to clean up their reputation. Those rare doctors who do refuse bribes often suffer ostracism from their peers and superiors.
I don't even want to get into how the nonsense of TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) distorts everything into the realm of pseudoscience.
Yeah and shameless waiters in USA demand tip and if you do not tip them they even spit in your food or so I have heard. Who will want to live and eat in such a country where for providing service you are supposed to provide you demand or rather extort money?
Chinese restaurant don't accept tips neither
@@theragingcyclone It's not their fault they're not paid a living wage.
I have had good and bad times in chinese hospitals, the birth of both my children in Guangzhou went well doctors were good did everything as expected (the hospital needed a good clean). But in Yunnan it was a different story, my daughter (then 4yrs old) fell on some broken glass and sliced her finger, so I cleaned the wound, stopped the bleeding and then took her for stitches. In the hospital all the doctors were smoking, I had to ask them to stop as there were children in the room and a big no smoking sign in front of them, I then had to ask the doctor to wash his hands. So it comes to stitching up her finger, he pulls out a needle and is about to sew her up, I ask "where is the local anaesthetic?", the doc says "we don't have any left, just hold her down". So I bundled her up, left the hospital and bought butterfly stitches and proceeded for the next 3 weeks cleaning and looking after the wound. The hospital was like a farmyard, dirty, smelly and people smoking and spitting every where. (her hand is good now, just a little scar that is barely noticeable. Hospitals in China vary so dramatically.
😂 lolz
Same in the Philippines
"Just hold her down" 😮😮😮
What you are saying about Chinese doctors is terrifying.
I currently live in Russia and the situation is similar. In my city the pharmacology university is basically a joke. Students from abroad (arabs mostly) go there and pay to get a doctorat, and after they can practice in the EU.
It's dangerous and already many deaths because of those incompetents.
+toocoolforu that is scary
@Lovecraft Kinda, not really. The educational costs drive up doctor's wages, because most have to pay back 6 figures of student debts, which is not so elsewhere.
Most European doctors are on par with American ones in terms of skill and competence without this problem. The european socialized medicine system actually costs less than the US one, and european countries have a higher number of doctors per capita than China and the US, as well as longer life expectancies. A lot of research shows the US privatized system is inferior, and based on this video, it looks like the chinese one suffers some similar problems.
@Lovecraft ah, a very thought out argument
I just found your channel last night and I've watched a few videos already.
I never plan to live in or visit China, but as an American expat living in Poland, it is interesting to hear about other expats and their experiences in other countries.
Great content, guys. Keep it up!
A British South African and a Jewish American get together in China....both with Chinese wives ride all around the country on motorcycles while comparing and contrasting the differences of the West and China...and put it all on RUclips. I'm addicted! Lol.
+Billy Shears haha nice, very accurate except Cmilk isn't a Jew, he's a Christian :)
My mistake. I thought I heard one of you guys say he is Jewish. Really enjoying your videos. I've spent a bit of time in Asia and also have an Asian wife....so I relate to a lot of what you are saying and are experiencing. Gotta love Tsing Tao! Cheers!
Don't call him a jew. That's a pretty nasty thing to say.
I was pointing out their diversity, nothing more. They said something about his being Jewish on another video. I'd comment further, but won't waste the text.
Dennis Cat how is that nasty lol wtf
Aa a non-experienced foreigner in China, YOU MUST use public hospitals in first tier cities, NOT PRIVATE ones. They'll want to rip you off, no matter what. All they'll care about is your wallet, not your health.
Patient: Is it serious doctor?
Doctor: I'm afraid it is; it will require complete removal of the wallet.
Robert Seviour Dude, that is absolutely hilarious. Thank you for the laugh, that's great.
Which is why I oppose private hospitals in general, I've never seen them work in any country...
I wish people didn’t think doctors were infallible, they are people, capable of corruption, so please don’t be naive
David Drobik so pretty much just like in America?
Factual error: English is not widely understood by practitioners of western medicine in China NOT because of the prevalence of Chinese traditional herbal medicine. It is because western medicine has been fully translated into the Chinese language. On the other hand, western medicine in all other countries (barring China and Japan) is still classical Greek and Latin-based with only the most colloquial terms described in the local language (i.e. pile vs haemorrhoids, clubbed foot vs talipes etc). Early pioneers of western medicine in China went to great length at turning western medicine into something that the locals can study and practice more readily without the language barrier. In this regard, practicing western medicine in China is like reciting the Bible in English. I doubt if an average Anglican clergy can speak or understand Hebrew.
On a sidenote, China follows the MBBS system where you earn a medical degree after at least 5 years of studying, which is the same as the UK.
Baby Olivia is absolutely gorgeous . I love all her hair. Wishing her a very happy and healthy life. With love from your latest subscriber 🐸
just came across this online and i'm a subscriber after 3 vids! kudos! love the laowai view of china!
Congrats on such a beautiful baby girl! Thanks so much for sharing with us all!
In Japan they don't use Latin root words for their medicine, they use German.
Would be good for them to use German and Latin words for medicines.
That is very interesting. Why German? Now we know that Japan and Germany were allies during WW2, but I cannot see how that would account for this. Germany does have a long reputation for high level engineering, but that is not medicine. In Europe, Latin has been the main language for high education for a millenia.
My friend in China had a serious heart problem. The Chinese doctors diagnosed the wrong condition and wanted to operate! I persuaded him to go the Philippines to have it checked, they correctly diagnosed and operated on him at a very reasonable price.
What good is affordable medical treatment when the man treating you cheated his way through his tests to be a doctor???
This is how your docs performed where you are from？ Mr. Dean.
Kyle Lucien no, very strict exam testing procedures.
William Dean Your accusation towards others comes from your own incompetence and fear, Mr Dean.
The only reason why Eastern Asian students perform better all over the world is the same reason why Eastern Asian build economy with the highest efficiency, it is that they have the highest intelligence level proven by scientific research.
Kyle Lucien what the he'll is wrong with you? Do you completely not comprehend that the video clearly stated the high level of cheating going on in the doctor field training in that country? You choose to ignore that fact and then attack a total stranger you know nothing about? Bizarre.
William Dean Now you are angry Mr Dean, it is expected. Internet is not your local bar, but an place open to the whole world, choose your words carefully with your real profile and name displayed. Have a good day with your family, Mr Dean.
The reason behind this is our best students won't go to medical schools because the low salary of doctors. Our doctors are really not treated well enough considering what they have to learn and do every day. A taxi driver can easily make more money than a doctor. In term of qualification, MBBS is equivalent as MD, at least in the U.S. MD while being called doctor, is not an academic doctorate degree. In the U.S., you have to complete a BS to go to graduate school to study medicine. In China, you study medicine when you are in college. A MBBS program lasts 5 years. The amount of efforts they put when study medicine is similar. The doctors in good hospital usually have more than MBBS education, and if they are trained in a good med school, they certainly have studied medical terms in English.
Brandy Xiada The point I was making is that MBBS is not necessarily worse than a MD in term of skills. I agree with you that the minimal requirement to practice medicine in China is much lower in order to provide wide accessibility to med care. However, the doctors in our good hospitals are just as good as if not better than the west. In term of education, have a MBBS in the China is equivalent of having a MD in the US. If you have a foreign MBBS and do your residency and pass the exam, you can practice medicine in the U.S. Like in the U.S. , they have tons of exams have to be passed every one or two years through out the career and we do have things like residency when they are seriously exploited. The 4 years they get extremely poorly paid and have to be frequently on-site during night after a full days of work. Chinese doctors see much much more patients every day than the west, and usually they are more experienced to diagnose and treat common diseases efficiently. Some of my friends and I have been diagnosed wrong for small issues by American doctors and it happens rarely in China. The rare diseases are not easy to find treaentmeng because we are still very behind in medical researches.
Agreed. My grandma was a pharmacists and she went through college level education and can read english prescriptions. She worked in a hospital in Kunming for all her life.
So I guess these guys are just seeing low level doctors who havens completed their education and are comparing them to fully trained and specialized doctors in the west.
cachem11 That is exactly true. What are called "doctors" in China, my wife for example, are grossly underpaid for what they do...not much more than an assembly line worker, for example.
But when it comes to people's life...even one 'low level' doctor is one too many. Agree?
Great vids on China Boys, welcome to this world to the new little one, (Girl) Wie-wan Olivia. Congratulations to you !
We my partner from China and I have two mixed Chinese/English sons unfortunately we never had any daughters my only regret, both sons now accredited electricians in their early twenties both 1.95 tall that 6' 4'" so they both tower over me at 6'00 or 1.80 meters,it is so true what our elderly folks always told us,enjoy your life whilst you are young,because it seems to pass so very quickly the older that you get.
Thank you for making these videos guys. They are so informative, I've learnt so much from watching these.
Its totally different than Canada. When pedestrians just start to cross the street, all cars and motorcycles must stop until they totally crossed the street.
Canada One Way same in Australia. Pedestrians at marked crossings have the right of way. When we are driving up to a crossing we slow down whether there is a pedestrian or not in sight, just in case!
4 years on, and this has now become the law of the road in the UK too, although from my experience pretty much everyone was already treating it like that was the law before that, probably because pedestrian safety was a major focus in the theory portion of the driving test. That's the thing, in the west protecting the safety of pedestrians is a core part of the law, the driving test, or both. This leads people to being more attentive in places where pedestrian traffic is likely. Even without that, in the west we're more likely to willingly give up out right of way on the roads out of a sense of fairness (eg that car has been waiting to join the road for a while, I'll widen the gap so he can pull out). Even without a specific law in place, common law puts a duty on us to drive safely, so even where legally we have a right of way, driving without due care is still an offence (which is why it would be unlawful to gun it straight into a car that's itself unlawfully on your side of the road if you had time to do something else after seeing it).
In China it seems like they have the complete opposite; no law prioritising pedestrians, no focus on their safety in tests, and a culture that is selfish on the roads generally.
Like, here's something I do that I doubt happens in China, ever; driving along at 30mph in a built up neighbourhood, with many cars ahead. See a family with kids waiting to cross the road, but not at a designated crossing. I look in my mirror to see how many cars are behind me. If there are 2 or 3, I continue, because they'll have a chance to cross soon. If there are more than 3, I stop and let them cross. (Note that "jaywalking" is not an offence in England). Nobody behind ever beeps their horn in anger at me doing this, because we can all empathise with the family, parents probably struggling to control their kids next to a busy road, the nearest proper crossing several hundred yards away.
In England at least, almost nobody is in *so much* of a hurry that they are willing to risk a pedestrian's safety. In China it seems like nobody cares, nobody is looking out for pedestrians or even other road users. If a pedestrian walks out in front of you, well, mei ban fa, not my problem.
I love the "Stay Awesome!!!" On the tiny red monitor!
i had an operation in Taiwan and i was quite impressed by the quality of the treatment, the facility and the professionalism of the staff..was pretty cheap too. .... but of course this is a different country, apart from the culture & language.
I am surprised to see how coy and unmoved C-Milk was at the birth of his child. And he just left after I dont know an hour or so, which was like a wow moment for me. I kinda thought the hospital would be the last stop of the video, but they just say hi to the baby like it's someone else's and hit the road😂
yeah me too
I was glued to the room that my wife and new child were in for the duration that they were there.... I only left to procure the soft cheeses and sushi that my wife had been forbidden to eat during pregancy 0.o
he said he stayed there for a week, watch again
Yeah, he was there for a while
Yes even I was thinking for the same .it seems like the child is not his own and the patient mother .
Before my first trip to China in 1985, my travel agent told me that if I went to a Chinese hospital, I would get well really quickly because I would want to flee immediately.
Aaahh, the hospital smell...a mix of urine and death. I remember it well. =) I totally loved living in China and would moved back today, but I'll admit that my one worry was if something bad would happen to me or my daughter health-wise. When my daughter (in jr high) was pretty sick once, the doctor didn't even have a thermometer to take her temperature. He was all proud of himself bc he'd ordered some little temperature strips from ebay that you hold up to someone's forehead. And that was at the international clinic in a major hospital in Qingdao! My coworker's son died after falling through a skylight and I can only imagine how little our hospital was able to do before flying him to HK. It was awful. But like I said, I still love China, the people, the lifestyle, the food, etc.
You're forgetting the sweet fragrance of carbolic.
I used to live in Qingdao too but my story is a little different. I had to go to the International clinic there once for a bout of diarrhoea and extreme lethargy. After some tests (one of which was an ECG) it turned out I had atrial fibrillation. My heartbeat was all over the place due to a faulty mitral valve. I had no idea. After some consultations I ended up going to Beijing for heart surgery. That was 8 years ago and only last month my current cardiologist in Australia says that the work they did in China was first-rate. Everything they ever prescribed for me worked but this diagnosis could well have prevented me from having a stroke. Or worse.
haha XD China sounds nice im going there soon with my school
So the red envelope thing (bribery) is just because the wages are controlled by the government, doc basically are underpaid, so bribery is more like a way the market adjust itself to trade products and services at the right price.
Sure it "works" but the system become total nonsense fueled with hyppocrisy. Most of the CCP officials are corrupt because their wages are low in order to save face. Just give people a decent wage for what they are doing and stop the corruption. At the end of the day corruption just make things shady and inneficient.
Hi c-milk congratulations!! Your daughter is Beautiful you must be so proud of your wife. She did fantastic !!
Very best wishes.
+celestine811 thank you!!!
Congratulations on the new baby, C-Milk.
+Scott Dance thank you, Scott!
I did a similar job, teaching in a huge hospital, in Zhengzhou. In Jilin city, I had an inflamed lung so my gf took me too a hospital, Railroad hospital or something like that, funny name. Anyhoo, they found me English speaking doctors and nurses, gave me a private room and over the course of a week, cured a problem that may well have killed me if we left it any longer. All for RMB200/day! I also had a job in GZ that required foreigners to have health insurance, which I thought strange but we got it anyway.....never needed it!
Congratulations C-milk! Great video, thanks guys
+Chest thank you!
I've lived in Shanghai, the hospital you showed in the video is not usual or normal. The hospitals i've been in resembled truck garages, filthy unheated. We had a relative that was being treated. He had bone cancer, the room he was in had toenails on the floor that had turned brown from being there so long, the room was utterly filthy. He received no cancer treatment because he was not wealthy and could not afford either to be flown to the US for treatment or a top tier hospital in Hong Kong. The doctors were barely competent in their duties.
Hi, I am a medical student in AU (M.D.), my father is a doctor in china. I kinda agree with what you said. One thing is you didnt mention (or didnt realise) is that the bad doctors are worse in china, but good doctors are better. As you said, low level doctors (community doctors) are poorly trained compared with west, and there is whole bunch of dirty stuff in small clinics, but the surgeons who work in big hospital are far more skilled than their western colleges. The reason is simple, more patients, more practice. Also, they are more likely to encounter some very rare condition that doctors in west never got a chance to meet in their life. So, yeal, if you have money and have really bad/rare disease in china, pay more money and get to the big hospital with experts.
agree
I've had knee problem since 2012, got painful knees after walking. I went to tens of hospitals and doctors, was asked to do many tests, sometimes had to do MRI again and again which cost 750rmb each time, just because it was a different doctor at a different hospital. Then most didn't even successfully diagnose my disease. They just prescribed glucosamine etc. Or injections, or chinese medicine treatment. This costed me a fortune and a lot of time going repetitively to hospitals. Then seeing no effects, many doctors just asked me not to think about it, it's just my mental effects. Then I searched and searched for good doctors and found one that actually had good review and studied in Texas. He looked at my MRI and told me soemthing other doctors never told me before. So I searched the researches I also did graduate research in US in psycholy, so the medical papers are not too difficult to read. Then I got to know the possible disease. So he operated me and indeed i had a plica syndrome and my cartilage was damaged there was a hole on it. And many doctors and top hospitals said I had no problem and was my mind causing it.
Please can you refer me to that doctor?
I really love your video's.I think you will go a long way in South Africa( if you ever go back)!
I know I am watching this as an old video. But lovely to see the young c milk family. Viv and Olivia look great . Very be lated congratulations to you
12:14 I'm a bus enthusiast, and that bus is clearly a MAN Lion's City (a model somehow popular in Germany) knockoff
Our baby's life was saved in the Chongqing childrens hospital 15 yrs ago. We did have to pay a little to get in faster but she had mouth sores (needed numbing for pain so she could eat) and pneumonia (old fashion xray machine where we held her down) for which she got iv antibiotics through a vein in her forehead. I felt lucky we were in the big city and not small town.
Aww I'm glad your baby's life was saved and that you got good treatment for her. She must be a big girl now huh? 😊 Best wishes to you and your baby girl!
As a Chinese who lives in China in my first 22 years , I agree with most of it points , but after moving to Canada , me and my Chinese friends all have this kind of feeling: the quality and efficiency in Chinese hospital is much better than here in Canada , I have a lot of friends in Canada told me they have to wait up to 4-5 hours in hotel to get treated for emergency( if it's not life threatening) , and Canadian doctors make mistakes too! I can't deny The hospital here is cleaner and more organized , but it's also fact that ppl r being too organized to get service faster! For me and my friends , we still think it's more convenient for us to get treatment in China if something that serious happens !
i once had diarrhea for 2 days, and i went to clinic for help, the first clinic i went was too full to take another patient, so i went to another one , and there was nobody in the waiting room so the doctor left 2 hours earlier, and I'm fully recovered on the way to third clinic......so just imagine how things could be if something more serious happens and we have to wait endlessly! and also, i still see some news about canadian doctors misdiagnose and got patients killed. And for sure we get better service if we have insurance and go to private hospital, but it would be just the same system as you americans have , not everybody can afford that
Congrats!! Your family is beautiful...always remember to make your wife feel special as she gets through all of the ups and downs of the hormone changes that are coming up. Best wishes for a baby that sleep well.
+Mysti Lane Thanks. She is a real cutie isn't she :) She sleeps really well!
Gratz on your 1 year old daughter C-Milk.
is it a year old already? geeze it seems like I just saw the video where his wife was trying to poop out the baby
yea,i remember like it was yesterday...
Are u Korean?
+MrUlfang lolwut? thanks! Shes 6 days old.
+laowhy86 maybe hes referencing the fact that babies are considered 1 year old when they are born in some cultures. lol
Congrats C-Milk! And Winston, as always... Thanks!
+sdushdiu thank you!
Congratulations on the birth of your daughter Vivian and C-Milk 👍😆.
10:50 Be careful when getting married. You always get a stepmother for the same price. 😂😂😂
In a Chinese hospital one doesn't need to wait years for a organ. Just send the blood to the lab with a envelope full of cash. It's just a matter of finding the victim.
No need to find. They keep a reserve of donors on standby at all time... in detention.
ssh83
Chinese prison system is a organ bank.
dinnerandashow Your imagination help you a lot here
Sadly, that's what the Chinese government does with Falun Gong practitioners.
dinnerandashow as long as they're not infected it's a good use of criminals.
Congrats again C...beautiful just so precious. The only thing I saw to worry with is that bed the baby is in. The lip is so low Id worry about her moving out of it. But Im glad you got such a nice place to have her.
Those prices are amazing. The US hasn't had normal cost health care since the 1970's. I had a treatment that took 1 hour or maybe 1 1/2 hours and just for the room rent they charged my insurance $11,000 . F our health prices...wish the government would smack'm down.
+Daehawk thanks man!
C-milk: "ohh i just has a baby, my first kid and uh my wife is in the hospital with IT right now"
lol
Once in 10 years? Last 10 years I had a broken toe left foot, broken toe right foot, poisoning, food poisoning, amoebadysenterie, meds for it stopped my heart 2 times, cancer scare, broken ribs, broken right hand, cut up right foot, had to go to the dental surgeon, and most recently I broke my left elbow and right wrist at the same time few weeks ago.
How do you pull it off?
Dont panic I have been living in china for almost 17 years now. And I am still alive
A long time ago, when my mum still lived in china, she was prescribed an antibiotic she was allergic to.
C-milk, the standard for medical service in the U.S. is very high, and so is its cost. We do appreciate this standard for the benefit of the service. However, if the same standard is being implemented in China, most people wouldn't be able to afford medical service there. Looking at it objectively, would you consider the medical service standard in China acceptable considering its standard of living?
Sonny Zheng
As long as you save lives, and patients are happy. This will be fine. And as long as you do the best, the most you can with all of your staff and knowledge available. God is not going to punish you for a less advanced technology. Patients will stay alive, as long as you care enough. That is the clou/essence of the story........you don t have to do, more then you can handle. The best of your ability is GOOD enough. BUT With the group , not just only as an individual........Healtcare is alot about discipline, medical knowledge, hygiene, common sense, healthy food, concentration, understanding patients, collecting the right kind of information, and it is not only about expensive technology at all.
There is a lot of crap in the USA as well. I've also come across really good doctors in places like India, Brazil and Kenya.
I would not primarily compare with the USA health system, as it is a big unfair expensive mess.
RogerWilco yes man in India , if u want to become a doctor (basic MBBS) u have to fight one national exam & many state exams ( if u don't have national merit )
so it's very tough
sometimes people do cheat u can google vyapam case or vyapam scam in India
and I agree our supporting medical staff is shit once they gave me wrong medicine and I refused to consume she did get fired though
RogerWilco What has happened in America then when you need them ?
I know a doctor in Hainan who can confirm what you've said. I'm going back to Hainan as long as my health is good, but I had to ask him about cardiology in Hainan first. I had chest pain for months, and I told the doctor in Henan that. All he did was push on my chest, tell me getting tests done would be a waste of money, and told me I was fine. I'm visiting home in the states now, and because the pain never stopped, I saw a doctor here. The doctors here were at least able to find a shadow in my lungs and a partial blockage in my heart. My doctor friend advised me to get taken care of here in the states first because the doctors in China lack training.
does anyone follow traffic rules? It seems chaotic on the road with people doing what the want
Including the guys themselves. Don't they think it could be dangerous to talk BS while riding a bike at 60 kmph speed? All the lectures in the world are for others I guess.
Yeah, I was thinking throughout this video that those guys had better hope there are some competent doctors in China, because the helter-skelter manner in which everyone drives, rides, and walks around in China is obviously EXTREMELY dangerous. Unfortunately, any motorist or pedestrian in China is just an accident waiting to happen.
They didn't stopped at zebra crossing ? Pple and children crossing, omgosh...Slow down pls, drive safe.
traffic rules? Well, there are some rules, but they are seen more as suggestions, like the pirate code of parlay. And little if any enforcement. It also means that, since most people don't follow whatever rules, they also know that the other guy will likewise not follow the rules, so they tend to drive very carefully and defensively, I suppose, for there are far fewer accidents than one would expect.
I love the motorcycle idea, it really enhances the videos, your vids are a combo of two of my fav things, podcasts and drive-about vids in foreign lands! But I know a lot of people & know people who know people who've gotten into motorcycle accidents here in Canada & the US. Where the drivers are ofc a lot more courteous, esp here in Canada (fuckin yanks) a baggin youtube channel might not be worth a full body cast is what I'm trying to say. :P I saw some terrifying situations in this vid, like when you were weaving through the pedestrians on the crosswalk or when the bus almost shoved you aside. Considering your guys reactions I'm betting these aren't even close to the worst examples you've experienced. Respect for the mad balls lol.
Also, doctors are technically cheaper in China if you don't include bribes.
It's interesting that you got so easy into a hospital/clinic to interview without being blocked/censored. The patient-doctor conflict (ususlly caused by a tragic result of a patient's death in the hospital drawing his/her family to attack the doctors) are so serious that most hospitals have security surveillance under the police. Well one of you guys is actually teaching doctors here I guess that benefits a lot.
Again, as XiangC6 and I have mentioned previously, Winston may not have an accurate image of Chinese hospitals, at least not the big picture. You had been in the city of Shenzhen next to Huizhou, as you mentioned, then you should have noticed the big difference between small-medium cities and large-mega cities in China.
Things are that, China is basically a country that fully applies the Matthew Effect (For to every one who has, more shall be given..etc). Big cities tend to draw resources from surrounding areas, the capital, the human resource, the benifit of policy, even patients. The better a public hospital in a big city becomes, the more people come for it, and at the same time the less people seek for smaller hospitals in the same city, not to mention in another smaller place. So you should really check how the large hospitals in big cities run, as they stand for the highest level.
IMO best hospitals lies in these places: Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Wuhan, Nanjing. Theory is that a place with more colleges and longer traditional history, will have better hospitals. The only exception might be Shenzhen, who is super rich at this moment (3rd in city GDP ranking) that the local government could build more and more high standard hospitals within a short period of time.
I went to a local hospital in 會城 and they told me I had stomach and intestinal inflammation. For around $20 CAD (16$ USD) I got two consultations, the iv drip treatments, blood test, pills that would last for 5 days.
I was a-ok after that =]
Beautiful baby!! CONGRATS! :)
I'm not a british citizen, but I was in a London Hospital (NHNN) a while ago. Honestly, it was a nightmare. A third world hospital could not have been any worse.
Londanstan
London hospitals are usually busy and do not have much funding, as a British citizen, it is not too bad, it's free and quick if it is a complete emergency. If you went to the a&e then you have to understand it takes a while to treat people. Complain all you want, but go to a private hospital if you really want faster access. London has a lot of people to deal with for free, yes it can be bad but people if you do not come in an ambulance but the hospital becomes efficient once they have found you a bed. Also as a foreigner it would be harder to find your medical reports
Cs go giveaway Guy haha what do you expect? in ers - depending on the severity of your sickness - you have to wait 6 hours or longer... theres simply too many patients in most hospitals
London is a 3rd world city now. It's also known as Londanstan. BTW fuck the Western Left!
'Free healthcare' is stupid? In the UK everyone pays towards the National Health Service thru taxation/VAT so that regardless of income everyone can access treatment. Your comment goes to show how uncaring and ignorant you are.
Very interesting & informative video. Thank You! I really enjoy your channel. Riding on a bike and doing the video is a cool idea. Those look like really nice bikes. What brand are they?
Warmest Regards,
Eugene
Please Winston, you just teach doctors English, that doesn't constitute as "teaching doctors" as it may sound. The medical terms is so different than the normal language people use on a daily base, that's true both in English and Chinese, and the whole medical education is in Chinese, so it's not so surprised that Chinese doctors don't know the English terms. E.g. do you what's Cefalexin without looking up the dictionary?
Plus, the common way to measure the effectiveness of a country's medical system is life expectancy and infant mortality rate, the life expectancy in China is 75, compare to the countries that you guys mentioned: India(66) Laos(66), and infant mortality in China is 6.45, compare to India(41.36) and Laos(33.23), so good luck living and having babies in later countries(no offence to people from those countries). Check wikipedia for more info.
There is no point denying that medical system in China has a lot to improve, everybody knows that, but the video doesn't present a fair point of the medical system and the doctors.
+kkkkkkk it is based on first hand experience not Wikipedia articles ;)
+MrHadeke Western doctors language is based on Latin. This makes many European languages able to communicate very effectively without having to speak multiple languages.
***** I'm starting to like these comments. Keep em comin. Very entertaining.
India does not have a good medical system but we certainly have well trained doctors. Medical studies is pretty tough in India where getting into a medical school is difficult, given all the competition. But our medical schools do churn out good doctors. All the problem you mentioned is because most people in India do not have access to quality medical service. We have one of the lowest number doctors for every million people. So its not about the quality, its about quantity. We just do not have enough doctors!!!!!!!
im a doctor and you cant bullshit me with that,. its called an epidemiological study but linking it to a good health care in china is scientifically wrong,. it could be due to genetics and lifestyle,. old chinese people like to workout in the morning compared to other countries,. and they do some traditional dance too
Congrats!!
As a side note, must you use cinematic movie ratio or whatever it is? Waste lots of space, and often subjects aren't in frame properly. Just my 2cents.
Cheers
I think Winston's impression on Chinese doctors are kind of distorted by his students who have never actually had any experience in clinical treatments. Experienced doctors in public hospitals, who most of the time should be older than 45, can give treatments accurately and fast, at any day you go to the hospital to see them, without appointments required weeks ago.
Someone shared his story .......Hey guys nice video! I'm Chinese myself and I feel like I have to share this story: about two years ago my father had dinner with some of his close friends and had a lot of baijiu (I'm sure you know what that means c-milk), and after the dinner he felt very bad in his heart. My parents were very worried so they called an ambulance (I was overseas at the time). So they were at this big public hospital and my dad went through tests. The doctor came with the results and said to him: you will need to get a heart bypass(which is very costly to do in China). My father was so scared and agreed to it immediately, but my mother was skeptical, and they eventually went to a new private hospital, which came from Taiwan. After some checking, the doctors immediately found out that my father had diabetes, and there's nothing wrong with his heart. I found out about this story when I eventually went back home during semester breaks, and it still makes me so fucking furious every time I think about it.
Monique Vee Your experience was partly due to the emergency your father had during night (I suppose having baijiu usually happen at night), when probably young and amateur doctors are on duty overnight. Experienced doctors, who should be old, tend to avoid being on duty overnight due to their age. In fact, some extremely famous doctors have very limited time (less than 30 hours a week) at ambulant clinic because they are more devoted to research. Thus, you need to go to hospitals very early in the morning to see them without appointments. After all, I think it's better you give the name of the hospital, I'm curious which hospital it was.
even chinese people dont like hospitals and doctors in china but i think the butthurt nationalist reaction makes them defend their doctors
Yo Mama Chinese people often hit and murder Chinese doctors when they are involved in dispute. There is a industry in China to help patients fight against hospitals and doctors when they underperform. This is so funny because this will never happen in any other countries in the world.
i never said they did,and in USA it exists its called malpractice lawyer, in uae they put a complaint box in every hospital and if you have a case they'll take disciplinary actions against the doctor,
Thanks again for sharing your baby with us!
Good video. Nevertheless, it is two-way street, gentlemen...! As you both mention, the service is very cheap/affordable, but the doctors don't really make that much money, and that is why they are asking for "tips...!" Whereas in HK and the US, the costs of medical cares are skyhigh and will never come down, because they want a LOT of money, among other reasons.... (3)08/-9/2017@PM.
the service is cheap for us on a western salary, not for Chinese on a Chinese salary. Most people there also have no health coverage, as there is no real socialism there. One must pay for all the medical bills and even for all elementary and secondary education. Some families struggle just to pay basic elementary school education. And it is supposed to be "communist." Medical care is not necessarily affordable for most people, but they have no choice. It is largely run for profit, like a regular Chinese business.
Ohhh wow 😮 So nice to see the early video of humble Olivia. Another great 👍 video lads
Have you been in many hospitals in the West? I've worked with thousands in the past 15 yrs and medication errors and neglect are horrendous.
During my time of teaching at Tsinghua University many moons ago, my passport was about to expire. I made a trip to the American embassy to have it renewed. While there, I struck up a friendly conversation with another American who was a cardiologist teaching at one of the Chinese hospitals. After a friendly chat with our business concluded, he offered me a few pieces of advice about living in China. One of those pieces of advice was never to use the Chinese-operated hospitals for most of the reasons you mentioned. He sent me on my way with a list of American and western-operated hospitals. He told me to make copies and give to a taxi driver should I ever need a ride to a nearby hospital. Luckily, I never had to use that list as my worst injury there was food poisoning from the local pork.
Even doctors in China comes in low quality? wow
KoreanSentry lol
KoreanSentry: maybe or maybe not. your comment marks you out as a low quality individual though. ;)
Pointing out the obvious now makes someone a low quality person
Christian Wilhite : I disagree. no it doesnt. why r u making an unrelated false point? ;) but snobbery, Schadenfreude, meaness or delight in cliched prejudice does. China has 1.3 bln people, high life expectancy, low infant mortality, especially when adjusted for income per capita, and given where they were a few decades ago. so well done them. IT s fairly easy, boring, and 'low quality' to play "wack a chinaman'. what is the point? so some discontented loser can feel a bit better about themselves: "phew! at least i m not Chinese! ". ;)
yea china is the sadest country besides north korea
@12.58 Winston DARE we ask where that stupid drip thing was coming from ? ;) lol
Chinese medicine healed my foot where western medicine failed. So, sometimes it works.
Ofc India has some of the best doctors and hospitals in the world both in western medicine and Indian ayurveda. But some who run standalone clinics are terrible because of fake degrees and way too less authorities to catch them all.
Congrats C-Milk!
+Tim Elley thank you Tim!
That traffic and the pedestrians were freaking me out!
That is why we (Malaysia) don't recognize China's Medical degrees, we recognize Hong Kong's and Taiwan's Medical degree though apart from US and South Africa's Medical degree.
Really enjoying the bike touring and conversations between c-milk and winston, thanks for sharing guys. Always digging your videos. Also, congrats to c-milk on such an adorable daughter.
I'm heading to Zhejiang province (south of Shanghai) in about a month to see the Chinese in-laws. Just wondering - did either of you guys get immunized for anything particular when you first moved to China? I've been recommended a Japanese encephalitis vaccination, and malaria prevention tablets, and was just wondering if these diseases or others are worthwhile concerns.
I am not impressed with US medicine. In California most of the doctors come from and are trained in 3rd world countries. It takes weeks just to talk to a specialist. There is little or not coordination among specialists and GPs. Hospitals give "diabetic" meals to diabetic patients, which are full of simple carbs. Costs are out of control. Visits are too short. Corruption from drug companies permeates the entire system including academic research and medical schools. Alternative treatments are ignored. Copies of tests are not offered to patients. The whole thing is run by a giant medical mafia cartel/monopoly, which has little incentive to maintain quality and even less to control costs. I could go on and on, but you get the point.
I would argue that in the US, 'alternative' medicine is given too much light of day. For example supposedly respected institutions like Mayo clinic offering chinese needle therapy.
kaunas888 the world we live in kind of needs a revolution, but then this shit will just repeat itself 100+ years after that revolution. humans are idiots.
Robert M. Dunn system doesn't need a conspiracy to be fucked. American health care is notoriously bad & for some reason not very cost effective (I suspect it's because it's largely privatized)
kaunas888 lmao that's because it's California
Diabetes is caused by saturated fat. Not carbs.
I had seen a grandpa smoking cigarettes to his grandchild’s face in a similar room with 3 families and their new born infants, the nurse kindly asked him to smoke outside the room, at new born floor hallway, where other grandpas were smoking. That was the biggest and most respected hospital in Huzhou. I had been to other hospitals too and only one German hospital didn’t let people smoke inside.
It really depends on which hospitals you go to, and what seriousness your illness is, because there is just no way you would compare the experience of a good doctor in a good hospital in China to a similar one in the west. In China these doctors have to see like 10x more patients than their western counterparts and hence have seen and dealt with much more different situations and so on. But the process of treatment may not feel as comfortable, as the big hospitals are always crowded with massive amount of patients. The plus side is, if you have something more serious than a cold, but not as bad as a cancer, you can get highly efficient and quality treatment within very short time in China's bigger hospitals. But if it is more serious illnesses, the treatment process and quality may not be as good. Also, I'm not sure about Shenzhen, but for a lot of Chinese living in bigger cities, if they are sick, going to the local clinic will never be on their list of options really, nobody really trust small clinics and the "not so famous" private hospitals at all, only people who are unaware of the local healthcare institutions' reputations would actually go blindly into these places. Anyone local enough would know which hospital they should go to depending on the type of illness.
About these doctors winston is "teaching", no offense, but I think the best doctors are already doing well in the bigger hospitals, and to me it seems like a "way out" for the less proficient ones to take the path of "specialize in treating foreign patients", and no offense again, there will not be any creditable healthcare education provider who would hire someone with no healthcare background to "teach" anything.... it just does not make sense. It sounds like one of the jobs that they just hired a white person there coz he's white.
And there is also the language barrier, it could be an important factor of how "professional" they seem to be, at least for the Chinese docs, they know things, but most likely not in English, but that does not make them unprofessional, they just learnt everything in Chinese because they will be dealing with Chinese patients 99.99% of the time. Afterall why would they want to learn the english terminologies when they don't need to ever use them.
Living in Denmark, a country often painted as the perfect welfare state with perfect everything, I have to point out that my experience with doctors and healthcare here a quite disappointing. I have to say my experience may have been affected, just as winston and cmilk's, due to the fact that we are expats and don't have the best knowledge of where to go and there is also the language barrier. But the people around me here all pretty much experienced the same: unprofessional GPs, long waiting time for any kind of treatment, inefficiency, and the lack of "one stop service". (in a sense that you have to run around to different clinics and specialists for the different processes of your treatment and so on) But the plus side is everything is pretty much free, if you can bare the waiting.
I mean look at the hospital they went to.... there was basically no patients what so ever.. that's basically the sign of a bad hospital tbh.. The good ones are usually insanely crowded...
It looks like it was fairly newly built in the middle of nowhere (def a bad sign), but the inside still look like shit... And judging from how cmilk's wife's relatives looks, I can only assume that they are not locals, and that's why they would even consider this hospital.
China grows so fast that he missed some part of it. but it will get there the most advance country.Not like the west doing all the offgrid cause no more job no money to pay medical.China is still improving though, no other country could do what china did. Many countries envy china. Western doctors are mixed race majority are not that good more of a commission based of thinking than well fare of a patient.The bad parts is,they are cult n secret society member. Before chinese people go to west to look for work now west go to china for a better life.Get a project contract sell expensive cars, luxury houses, medical equipment. Chinese doctors will be the best in the world.
This is quite true. Your view depends on who and where you are. I like their kindness but to be honest, Hong Kong is probably not the best place to heal your severe illness. I am not saying that the average hospitals in China are in high standards as in the US etc. The vital equipments are still imported from western countries. Their techniques/procedures follow which advanced countries apply. But the patients, like a database in computer science, is way larger than any other country's. A doctor has such experience with this incredible database certainly outweighs in his judgement/treatment, despite the lower standard of hardwares/procedures. Btw, public hospitals here are so wealthy that they acturally can afford any kind of equipments. As long as you pay enough, you get what you deserve.
XiangC6 not sure if that hospital is new/lousy that's why there r no patients, but, you're wrong abt c-milk's wife, his wife is quite well connected, both of his wife's parents r government officials in china. They probably know who r the good doctors, and maybe those good doctors just got attached to that new hospital that's why they chose to go to that new hospital? Who knows...but, the wife is well connected that's for sure.
For my sinutus infection in America I went to a cheaper doctor and got some effective antiobiotics prescribed. The doctor checked me talked to me for 5 minutes and doctors visit was $80, and the drug was $110 for 10 tablets (made in USA). Then after 3 years I got another similar problem went to doctor in Mongolia with national health care insurance doctor charged nothing and prescribed kind of similar antiobiotics made in Germany that costed around $11 it was pretty good.
Apparently the only thing free in the "land of the free" is the word free. It is the largest money extortion system in the world.
The more I watch your vids, the more similarities I see with Japan.
When I have to visit my local medical clinic in Tokyo, I tell them my wife works in a pharmacy and all I need is the prescription medicine, she will bring home the rest. This way they wont try and flog me all the extra stuff I don't need.
In America if they did what you described with having a bunch of women giving birth in the same room, the doctors would lose their licenses, the universities would revoke their diplomas, the hospital would be put under investigation, and it would be national headlines for a week.
Welcome to the world 'Humble' one:)
+Willo Withywindle ;) thx
As a Chinese person who has spent over a decade in New York and almost two years in London, I have been to hospitals in all three countries. Since I have only been to "first tier" hospitals in Beijing, I can't really speak for all Chinese, but I do find that if you belong to the group that tends to have average or no health insurance in the US or uses the NHS system in the UK, then the Chinese system on average is more efficient and helpful for you. You don't have to go through GP's or family doctors first and get referred to specialists, you can just choose whom you want to see directly in a general or specialist hospital and get the help and attention you need without delay. I also find that regular check-ups and screenings are being stressed more in China, whereas those tests tend not to be covered by average insurances or the NHS (at least when you are deemed "low risk"), and personally I think putting more emphasis on preventative healthcare might be more cost effective. I can't really say much about the quality of the services since it also largely depends on the person you see, I have seen both very knowledgeable and very shitty doctors in all three countries.
I always hear you say you train doctors. As one in USA, how do you train us? Ron Clark, DC,PhD, MD
Did you guys even watch the video?
Congratulations to c-milk and your wife! Interesting video, more so because I'm a pharmacist in UK. When I visited China recently I bought some travel sickness tablets in a pharmacy which to be surprise contained a drug which is very strictly controlled in the UK and is used for epilepsy normally, very bizarre seeing it in a travel sickness tablet. So moral of the story is, always double check the actual drug ingredients when buying medicine in China.
+tatumboy thank you!
It's insurance that's making the price of health care expensive. If China ever adopt insurance model in the healthcare, the prices will equal western countries too.
The problem isn't insurance, but what we insure. Insurance for a catastrophe is the right way to manage that risk. A broken bone is not a catastrophe.
Bernard Evan Natividad healthcare shouldn't even be for profit anyway.
-,' RED ',- So doctors who spent hundreds of thousands of dollars and more than a decade of specialization should just offer their services for free or just work for the government for lousy wages? Is that what you're telling me?
***** I wasn't specifically talking about "chinese doctors" on that comment. He was generalizing about health care, so I used an extreme example of the high cost of having a M.D. in the US.
***** I agree about the part with big pharma, but doctors have to be given leeway considering how much they invest in time, money and effort into becoming one or else they're going to be less and less people that would want to be doctors and that's going to push the price of healthcare even higher.
Doctors are not your slaves.
Congrats. to you both. What a delightful time.
speaking of hospitals, here it comes the benefits of living in "dull", big cities like Beijing and Shanghai, where the doctors are better trained, hospitals are better equipped, less bribery happening, etc.
Also, I don't find it problematic that Chinese doctors don't know much English terminologies, it's just simply that they have the equivalent Chinese terms.
Yay Dog cow !
My wife, who is Chinese, developed an infection on her leg. She went to a public hospital in Beijing (I won't say which one.) once a week for over 4 months. The entire time, while undergoing various treatments, it became worse. By the time she was able to come to the US, the infection affected an area about six inches in diameter. Her second day in America we went to a doctor who prescribed an antibiotic ointment that completely cured the infection within two weeks.
On the flip side, while visiting in China, my wife had me go to a traditional Chinese Medicine hospital to see a doctor about a shoulder injury. The building, nurses and doctors looked the same as any Western hospital. One difference was that while speaking to the doctor a lady wandered into the room, listened in and then offered her opinion on my condition. China definitely has no analog to the US HIPPA laws.
Good job dudes, congrats c milk
+Phil_Insane thanks Phil!
You may joke but a joint injury will come back to haunt you. I get 'reminders' every winter from when I busted my ankle while riding my bike when I was 18 (24 years ago).
Congratulations! C-milk,
Recent videos show all kinds of negative aspects of China, all I heard are 'people are cheating', 'bad', 'terrible', 'thief', 'dirty' and so on. One suggestion to you guys, when you have too much negative feelings to a place/people, it's time to move on and get out of that situation. Come on guys, leave China.
+luo gaohao thank you!
Gaohao Luo make sense
Very informative videos. I am enjoying them very much. Can I ask what the LED screen is on your motorcycle. I suspect that it is constantly displaying something, but we can't see it due to the cycle rate of the LED being in conflict with the frame rate on your camera. Perhaps I'm way off. Do tell. Keep up the great work.
13:57 Yes, $80 is cheap to an American but in most of Europe it would cost you $0 as we have universal health care, free at the point of use.
*****
You mean in China, right?
That's still £50 more than I pay!
Nilguiri your tax rate is insane
Penn Lin
No, it's not. We pay a little bit more taxes than you and we have modern infrastructure, like modern efficient public transport systems, high speed trains, decent education, roads without potholes and universal health care. And if you are unemployed you don't pay income tax but continue to receive healthcare 100% of your life. You should try it instead of letting people die because they can't even afford to see the doctor. It's barbaric. Most of us pay far less tax per month than you lot pay for healthcare alone, so please, spare me your bullshit.
In Sweden 56% tax rate is insane its almost double what i pay where I live. I also pay 0$ for healthcare because I have a proper education and my company pays for it. European socialism only benefits the lower class, low income citizens. The only reason you pay far less tax per month is because your ass is making no money. (I live in Seattle not China)
Penn Lin what if you dont have insurence.. what is The price for boken leg. in us
It is extremely expensive to get any health care in United States without any insurance, also, it takes so long to do any basic check.
Here is the classic example on how much of unfair, non-constructive criticism on China.
I would like to know two of you even care of how many patients are caring by the China physician average everyday? Put the numbers and cost together and you will see the Chinese doctors are superman.
As long as they are happy
congratulations to you c-milk and your wife.. been watching for over year but never reply before. great video's..enjoy very much..myself been to chingqing, gongzhou, zhuhai
+will windau hey man, I really appreciate it! I try to reply as much as possible! Sorry!
You teach them English?
We had a daughter in China back in 2005. We lucked out in that my wife had tutored a boy in Yanji, and befriended his parents. The father is a dentist and mother is an emergency room doctor at Yanbian University Hospital and they also are professors at the same university.
Anyway, whenever my wife needed to have any procedures or tests done, she would call the mother and she would either meet or go with us to the hospital, where she would make sure we wasn't charged for any procedures or medicine. When the delivery date came, she asked her friend who was one of the top OB-GYN at the hospital deliver our daughter.
My wife's family made up a red envelope for the doctor, but when we tried to give it to her, she refused it because first, we were foreigners (my wife had become a US citizen) and she felt it was unfair for us, and second, she delivered our daughter as a favor to her friend (our friend). Now before the delivery date, my wife had paid to reserved a bed at the hospital, but when our friend found out, she went and got our money back.
The only complaints I had was that when my wife came out of the recovery room after the delivery, her brother and I had to move her from the gurney to her bed while the hospital staff just stood there and watched. We, the family had hold the oxygen under my daughters nose for 15 minutes instead of the nurse and we had to bring in food from the outside for my wife to eat after she recovered.
But, what really bugged me was that every five minutes somebody was coming into our room with a business card, trying to sell us formula, diapers or other baby supplies. On her last day in the hospital, I came into my wife's room after a nights sleep to see some woman I didn't know, massaging her breasts to stimulate her milk. Once done, my wife handed her 600 yuan. When I asked her if the woman was part of the hospital staff, my wife said no, she was one of those people who came in selling a "service." I got more than a little angry and told my wife to accept nothing unless it was okayed by the doctor and done by hospital staff.