The whole Chinese economics is very impatient or say '浮躁‘. Many businesses are targeting quick profits without investing in research or development. Chinese manufacturers are no exceptions. They just copy exiting foreign cars, sometimes probably only the appearance and sell for profits. There are no stability tests or mechanical tests and inside those cars are simply all sorts of low quality car parts put together. This topic can be easily extended to 'the vacuum in the protection of patents and copyrights'---'Why would any company spend money in R&D if others can just copy my research results?'
Judging by the Russian dash cam videos, people seem to love buying Ladas due to the self driving feature. Too bad that feature doesn't work well, as that is what appears to be happening in all the videos.
The second VW dealership you rode past was not for imported VW cars, it is the second joint venture company in China, FAW-Volkswagen, made in Beijing. That is right, there are two separate Volkswagen JV companies in China making alternate models in the VW range. For example, FAW-VW makes the Golf model in Changchun and Audi cars, while SAIC-VW makes the Polo in Shanghai and Skoda vehicles. By the way, that car company you could not recognise with the Winged 1 logo is for the original FAW company, the original Chinese car company, thus First Auto Works FAW.
What more scarier is how Chinese drive. For safety wise, I really think if you spend same money on a Chinese car, you will get the same quality. But people always prefer cheapest one. In china, drive is like fighting, no matter what kind of car you drive. you may get killed.
Aside from the time the Engine blew up on the Hi Way, and that time when the wheels fell off, and that other occasion that the steering wheel came off in my hands, .......apart form those incidents I'm perfectly happy with my Chinese made car. 10/10 for trying !!
I had same question as why if China were as powerful as I heard so much about (at least economically) there weren't Chinese made cars in western countries. Now I know, thanks.
I got to admit, this is the best and most entertaining content I have seen on youtube in a long time. I like SerpantZA videos, but the concept of driving bikes in China is very interesting and informative. I really hope you guys keep pumping out the videos, it is the best content I have seen in a long time.
Here in New Zealand Great Wall sells quite a few utes & SUVs. I considered one when I bought my current Toyota ute, but while I was at the dealership I saw a current year ute that had about 20,000KM on it and the seat was falling apart - completely worn away at the seams. I just kept walking and counted myself lucky :-)
"Great Wall" is another Chinese brand sold in Aust. I've only seen Great Wall small trucks/trade vehicles (maybe it's a sub-brand of one of the others and only offers trucks/trade vehicles), and I've only a few of them, but they are around.
My partner and I both own Chery J3's (A3) we love them, styling from italian studio Pininfarina, they handling fairly well, safe ( we know first hand, involved in a collision and kept us safe, so a bought another) and i really like the lack of road profile, keeps people guessing and makes it special, although I've seen a few others driving arou d the northern suburbs of Melbourne, I was actually looking forward to the Chery Arrizo 5 coming to Australia, but no new RHD Cherys.
My partner and I both own Chery J3's (A3) we love them, styling from italian studio Pininfarina, they handling fairly well, safe ( we know first hand, involved in a collision and kept us safe, so a bought another) and i really like the lack of road profile, keeps people guessing and makes it special, although I've seen a few others driving arou d the northern suburbs of Melbourne, I was actually looking forward to the Chery Arrizo 5 coming to Australia, but no new RHD Cherys.
alexaescht Haval is the only manufacturer out of those that I would call respectable. Watch out for their trucks in another 2-3 years - they're starting to get it going!
most of those cars are 10 to 15 years behind for emissions and would add thousands to bring to north American standards it also costs millions to get each model certified. china will be the biggest polluter in a few years because of that.
Wrong on the comment about Japanese made stuff back in the day. I owned a 1972 Honda CB175 motorcycle and a 1979 Honda accord as well as a 1976 "Marantz" Stereo that were all made in Japan and definitely superior to any products made anywhere in the world then or now. Those and other vintage Japanese products are very desirable. You'll never say that about today's Chinese brands in the future.
They did not have the quality they have today, they dominate, a much more competitive world market. The problem was they did not have the durability, the cars would rust away in states where they salt the roads. American car of that time were complete POS.
right . japan wasnt bad per se and they included a lot of standard features on their new car but their steel wasnt up to snuff. However, they have improved materials later on in the 80s when they owned the production top to bottom.
what people meant with "back in the day" is their product after WW2. Only about after late 50s the quality of japanese product began to improve, in which pioneered by Toyota (if I am not wrong).
Isuzu Buyer "a 1976 "Marantz" Stereo that were all made in Japan and definitely superior to any products made anywhere in the world then or now" "The first Marantz audio product was designed and built by Saul Marantz in his home in Kew Gardens, New York." "2001, Marantz Japan acquired the brand from Philips and owned all overseas sales subsidiaries." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marantz Sounds quite American and Dutch to me. The Japanese copied and improved on the original, the Chineses appear to rip off and ruin the original :(
I had a Lifan 320, and it was a good little car. I drove it 67.000 km in two years without any problem, just the normal service. Cheap to buy and cheap to run.
NONONONON, NO Chinese car so far. I remember 10 years ago, we laughed at Chinese phone, but now I love my Huawei. Maybe in another 10 years, they can make decent cars too.
thanks for the interesting topic. Just to clarify all foreign brands be they German, Japanese , French, Korean are joint venture productions with in most cases 100% local content of components, i.e. everything is produced in China. Beijing has not permitted any fully owned company by a foreign car / commerical vehicle maker. Many tier one and tier two automotive systems / component suppliers also are likewise in China to supply their auto maker customers from local production and some supply the chinese makers too, at least for some models. As you know only very high end or special cars/ vehicles are completely imported from foreign production as for now e.g. Porsche, Merc S-Class or the Maybach or most of the Merc SUVs , Ferrari etc. The luxury tax and import duties make these cars far more expensive in China than in western countries. A VW or SKODA made in China at any of the several VW plants has the same international quality as the same model produced at a VW plant in Germany or Slovakia or USA. The same applies to the locally made Merc C and E Class and BMW 3 and 5 series (JV with Brilliance). VW group has two different jv partners for example Shanhai VW started with the Santana that was never a success in Germany in the 70s and the other jv partner in Changchun made the Audi 100 later A6 Chinese version with the longer wheel base for more passenger legroom in the rear. ( same longer wheelbase models also for E Class Merc and 5 series BMW). All local chinese makers use modern production / automation equipment like jointed arm robots , machine tools etc. as any western or northern Asia (Japan and S.KOrea) plant would do. QC systems are mirrored from the TS /ISO standards, 6 Sigma continuous improvement system, as well as Japanese Toyota derived production process optimizations (Kaizen, Lean) with just in time or kanban supply of components to the car makers assembly lines. Chinese makers have also hired quite a few top experts from GM/Opel or VW management background, this mainly to create models for exports into western countries as the long term goal. Sorry for the many word. Cheers guys
yes way that is so for a number of years now. The old Santana was continued mainly for taxi reasons, that is an old technology yes with many facelifts and updated engines. That vehicle would not be anywhere else available apart from China. All other models are only slightly adapted to the Chinese market and absolutely have the same reliability and performance as the ones built at other assembly plants worldwide, be they Puebla Mexico, Chatanooga USA, Woilfsburg Germany, Bratislava Solovakia in Spain under Seat brand or S.Africa etc. The same can be said for the french makers PSA (Citroen / Peugeot that hugely invested and expanded their Wuhan factory) as well as Renault/NIssan, all the other japanese makers Mazda, Honda , Toyota that are traditionally clustered in Guangzhou area. Mind you japanese makers usually have international models adapted to the local market. But the quality is the same level as other models built in Japan for the domestic market. For VW for example the US Passat is not the same as the European Passat, it was desiogned specifically for the US customer and the road / speed requirements and the price target to compete in the US with Hondy Accord and Toyota Camry for example.
Chinese built cars by local makers are appearing in many developing countries of eastern Europe , Africa , S:E: Asia., as well as south/central America. Some high end ones have made test launches even in Europe and plans are there for the North American market. China is already building huge infrastructure projects in many parts of Africa, as well as supplying trains and busses for example. Many of these technologies are of course derivatives of licenses from western partners, as in the case of the so called local high speed trains in China.
do you know how many foreginer car's expert are working in China today ? do you know how many Chinese brand automobiles were manufactured in China every year ? 15 million , every year ! note ! I never seen any Chinese brand car has break down on the road ,at his over 100 vlogs . did you seen ? I also never seen any garage full of Chinese brand car I think the quality of Chinese brand car is very very good today
I owned a chinese made Chevy Malibu for 3 years and had no problems at all. Just gas and oil changes! Actually it looks assembled better than american ones. It was so perfect that i sold it for only a few thousand RMB less than what i paid for it 3 years ago!!!and after a long wait I just got my new chinese Honda Civic turbo. Construction quality is not as nice as the Malibu but it drives so much better!
A car made in China is a Chinese product, period. Even Though the brand itself is not Chinese. The same applies to the iPhone. Anything else is an arbitrary distinction, because if you factor in R&D even blatant copies of murican vehicles become murican vehicles, since r&d has been done in the USA.
Red phoenix There a difference. With products like iphone, westerns quality and durability is strictly followed. Real chinese companies follow chinese crap quality
Aliex Simth: The truth is, with the very low labour costs in China - they really ought to be able to produce a much better quality car (even for their domestic market), but still at a much lower cost than overseas-made cars. I feel that China is doing both itself & its people a great dis-service, by churning out such vastly inferior cars, when it ought to be able to do better. And it is doing immense damage to its country's manufacturing reputation in the meantime. I don't think anyone is expecting a Ferrari quality car from a Chinese manufacturer. But it would be good if at least they could produce a decent, safe, sturdy, reliable car, that was not going to break down frequently - even during any "warranty" period (assuming there is such a thing as a "warranty" on these Chinese cars).
Toyota single handedly drove the quality movement in automobiles. They are the reason we have cars that can go 250,000 miles. That was unheard of in the 80’s.
One of the few things about China that I'm not proud of. China was once a place of innovation, and isolation under Mao has damaged that culture greatly. It only opened itself up to modernization 30 years ago and I understand the need to catch up with the rest of the world, but to see so many lots filled row by row with lazy fakes and potential death traps is a real shame. I think all that metal could be put to better use.
Actually China lost innovation in the Qing Dynasty, when the arrogant emperors prevented trading and locked down China from within. After that China had never been the same.
I think killing and enslaving all the teachers, educated, rich, and business people finished innovation in china. there is a thing called institutional knowledge, sum greater than its parts. so you can train brilliant engineers, but they make the mistakes that if older engineers were around could say we tried that and this is why it didnt work
Not just make copies, China needs to build innovative cars that actually compete globally. Korean cars were a joke when they first went to America, but after 10 years people realized they hadn't needed repairs they gained respect. Then they could invest in more research and development and now they compete against the big dogs. But I guarandamntee you, if the air conditioner breaks 3 times? Or even once? Just give up. The first rule to gain respect is reliability. Not so much anymore as all cars are reliable now, but they weren't fairly recently. The airbag doesn't count because they were across manufacturers.
few years ago, Great Wall Ute/tradesman's car was quite successful amongst the Australian local tradies, they are cheap and suit most needs. But then asbestos were found in the AC vent, and you wonder why Chinese themselves don't buy Chinese cars.
Yes I remember that I think the asbestos was all over the car... Brake pads, a/c vents etc Killing your customers with a slow, agonising death is not the best marketing ploy
It certainly doesn't help their reputation still, and asbestos is still very very bad to be inhaling. The really dangerous part of asbestos is it wont hurt you right away, it highly increases your risk of mesothelioma among other diseases and cancers, that will affect you later in life. I've heard people try to claim asbestos isn't dangerous, like it's a liberal lie, but it is very dangerous, it is dangerous when it's inhaled. If the asbestos isn't breaking off into the air, it wont harm you, but a car vent sounds very bad, because that is a lot of air flow! If China doesn't want the bad reputation, they need to prove they have safety regulations in place to prevent this sort of thing from happening. To us in the west, China's market just sounds like an unregulated free for all.
Those BYD (Build Your Dreams) e6 taxis are used in Brussels, Belgium for 2 years. They were used in most major cities in Europe (with a max of 50/city). Never got in one of them, don't like taxis, and those are mostly driven around the city centre/touristic/financial areas. Thanks for the video :)
Bought a Great Wall X240 3 years ago, never given any problems, drives well, quality is ok and it has a 4 star safety rating. So I would recommend it if anybody asked.
In April 2009 Reuters reported that the company's partnership with Mazda, by then ended, had been established "to receive technological help" and that Haima was selling a car that seemed similar one of Mazda's offerings without consent.[10] In November 2010 a plant for the assembly of knock-down kits of the Haima 3 was opened in Cherkessk, Russia by Derways Automobile Company.[7]
i worked for a chinese brand before, changan is the best chinese brand, design and quality wise close to korean car level, haval have some suv products selling pretty good but the quality is still soso, chery and geely have some interesting products. a minivan brand called baojun sells really good, like 50k units pro month. and the top 10 chinese car brands sells abroad, tens of thousands pro year, mainly to middle east, africa. south america. the chinese brands which dont have their own engine would use autherized Suzuki engines. in the electric car market, chinese cars are working well, low tech, sells good in the big cities thanks to the policy.
I've had my Luxgen U7 for 5 years now. Only had two problems. Alternator stopped charging and last month my clock spring had broken. Both really quick fixes. After watching your video I decided to look up the crash test footage. Lots of footage, but I can't find an ASEAN NCAP report for it.
GEEK CHANNEL! Hi guys, i love your videos, but sometimes I want to see more of TECH stuff, in particular motorcycle stuff. I think I m not the only one!
Hi Winson and laowhy, I suggest you guys to do more homeworks before publishing a topic like this instead of shooting video based totally on your stereotype. It appears to me that you guys trying to giving people insight about Chinese car but you even not able to pronounce the most popular Chinese made suv 's brand name. I am a little bit surprised. 1. First china is the world's largest automobile market, it is one of the most important market for all of the major car makes around the world. Nearly all of the major player including United States,German, France,Japan, Korea and etc formed the joint company and make Chinese sold cars in China. Every company should have its strict standard to ensure that the product satisfy the requirement or simply you lose the game. I am not sure why you have the impression that Chinese made foreign brand only has 50% of the quality as the corresponding imported type. If that is true, i will blame the quality engineer of that car company. I use iPhone made in China in United States and I do not have any issue. I am driving a Mexico made Volkswagen and I do not have any issue. 2.Among the low end rubbissh copycat car you showed in the video. I have to admit that it is true and as a Chinese I feel really shame about it. But I am not sure if you know that part of crappy is only consisted of small fraction of the car sle in China. A simple search of last year's data you could find that among all the cars sold in 2015 almost 50% are from foreign brands(non Chinese brand) ,the left 50% is Chinese brand, and the popular sale of Chinese brands are HAVAL/GEELY/Baojun/Cheryl/BYD. The copycat like "JMC/KIya? And etc are not on the list. 3. You point out that not a single Chinese made car has passed any western crash test. But a simple search in Google I found GEELY got 4 star in euro ncap, qoros got full five stars in euro ncap... You releaseD a video of car crash test almost ten years ago and as you are in China I am sure you know ten years for China means huge change. I like your video, when you guys point out that Chinese people become more nationalist I feel very sad for you. I support you guys by buying your adventure tv show. (Yes that is only couple dollars).But when you guys just post a video without any homework. Talking something randomly based on your stereotype and totally ignore how much effort from many engineers/designers/supporting staffs paid to make a better product. I feel a sense of your ignorance and superioty. Maybe I am wrong.whaterver, stay awesome.
I am a Chinese and I agree with you. There are so many scumbag business people in China that eventually will be weeded out by natural selection. I have high hope that one day the Chinese car industry will be head to head with European counterpart. The Chinese car industry just needs to go through this awkward time similar to a woman in labor going through the pain.
i have to agree with you. those cheap brands are actually focused on people whos not capable of buying a decent one, and the same thing happens in most developing countries (russia has some too) so whats the big deal? i like his vids also, but some vids such as this one is like, totally mocking other country's bad part.some comments are like,'wow china is a shitty place' and you didnt say anything but when a chinese guy tryna explain something youre still mocking them for being sensitive and nationalist, wtf? btw, when i was in china i once tried a luxgen s5 and it honesty felt better than toyotas altis/camry.
I here some BMW and Volvo engines are now being built in China and shipped to EU and north America for production. Let the west think it's built at home. Just all the parts came from China. The video idiots did not dwell on the most sold cars in China are General Motors and VW second and they are built in China. Along with Ford, Chrysler, Mecedes , BMW ,Audi, and others. Chinese people I know spend more at lunch than these two idiots are worth.
this is his video of his experience using his chinesse cars. just make a video how good is your chinesse car is.. oh wait you use a bmw and a vw right!
I can't believe that the crash test video quoted at the end of the video is so old, if my memory is right, this test was done about 8 years ago. And China does has crash test, which is called C-NCAP, using the standard similar to the European NCAP.Hey man, most of your videos and Winston's videos are unbiased, but this one is absolutely bias, and misinforming the people who don't understand much of the Chinese car industry.
Yea Serpent you can deal with it (being in a Chinese car) because you haven't been in a bad car accident yet. I've been in a bad head-on collision, and was glad for the safety and structural features the car had. Was it totaled? Yes. Was I alive and relatively uninjured? Yes. You choose what matters most.
I've been in bad car accidents in the past, not in China, but that's because everyone drives really slowly here and I'm a more experienced driver than anyone here
FYI: Air pollution, especially ozone, really kills rubber. Los Angeles used to have that problem really bad in the 1960's, the tire manufacturers had to add a tougher synthetic rubber to the mix to keep tires from shredding themselves very quickly.
The former Borgward car manufacturing company, based in Bremen, Germany, was founded by Carl F. W. Borgward (1890-1963). It produced cars of four brands, which were sold to a diversified international customer base: Borgward, Hansa, Goliath and Lloyd. Borgward’s Isabella was one of the most popular German premium models in the 1950s, while Lloyd’s Alexander / Lloyd 600 model offered affordable mobility to many working-class motorists. The group ceased operations in 1961, following controversial insolvency proceedings. The brand was revived in the 21st century, with the Stuttgart-based Borgward Group AG designing and marketing cars manufactured in China.
Bryan McHugh i think by memory buick was one of the few first foreign brands to tap into the chinese car market. so when the first people got rich in china thats what they bought and it had a good image when others seen rich people driving them. i remember seeing wealthy people driving buicks just before i left moved to australia in early 2001
well more and more chinese are going to know the the buick is a old brand and uses old chassis. But the Buick in China is quite different from in Am, i remember 4years ago they exported the first few hybrid car in China.
Vehicles were exported to several markets, including Australia, and New Zealand; ten were sold in Malaya. Borgward Hansa Isabella Saloon. Borgward Isabella Cabriolet. Borgward Isabella Combi 1959. Borgward Isabella Coupé (2+2) Borgward Isabella Cabriolet (2+2) Borgward Isabella TS Saloon 1961. Borgward Isabella P
Good job guys. This a good piece. I'd imagine you guys can get deeper into this whole car subject in China. Especially with the new EV laws there, there must be a big movement on that direction. China has access to a huge reserve of minerals to make batteries. In fact, I'd love to contribute to that if you guys are interested. I've been in the automotive business and have worked for a Chinese company in the past.. (never again tho haha) Oops, gotta be positive here.. lol
BIG correction: even most sold Audi BMW and Mercedes in China nowadays are joint venture, let alone toyota, honda, nissan, vw, etc. They are all made in China. Baidu them if you wanna know more. 合资品牌汽车
Actually some Chinese cars have passed ENCAP with a 5* rating. Quoros 3 (why didn't you include it in your video btw?). As for import car brands, virtually all cheaper (or even upper mid range in some instances) foreign models are manufactured in China including Audi A6L, MB E class and BMW 5. This is a common practice in many big markets including Thailand or even Vietnam in some instances. Also Brilliance autos which features in that infamous car crash video (which is from 2007) actually manufactures the real BMWs that are sold in the Chinese and other Asian markets.
Wow, about 20,000 murican dallas for a Suzuki Swift in China. Suzuki is actually primarily a cheap compact and sub-compact car brand. The import tax must be immense.
worry, 2018 oct price a swift 1.5L MT about 10,400 USD (include tax and insurance) see link below suzuki is a yesterday brand in china, no people buy it . they quit china market in 2018 as they did in US. jiage.autohome.com.cn/price/carlist/p-27105#pvareaid=2094115
I remember a few years ago there was a news frenzy over a chinese car *finally* passing an EU test, saying that they will try to enter the EU market soon, I guess that never happened because I've never seen one And I've seen crazy-ass shit like "street-ready" go-karts!
do you know how many foreginer car's expert are working in China today ? do you know how many Chinese brand automobiles were manufactured in China every year ? 15 million , every year ! note ! I never seen any Chinese brand car has break down on the road ,at his over 100 vlogs . did you seen ? I also never seen any garage full of Chinese brand car I think the quality of Chinese car is very very good today
HAIMA used to be called Hainan Mazda and produced Mazda 323 and Premacy. Later FAW and Changan Ford took the production of Mazda cars so they turn these two model into their own cars and start their new brand called HAIMA. Also instead of being mainland China domestic cars, Luxgen is from Taiwan. JMC has nothing to do with GMC apart from their names and they are based on old ISUZU D-MAX/Chevrolet LUV. The sub-brand of Chevy, Qoros, passed E-NCAP with 5 stars in 2013. It's cooperated with an Israel Company though. Geely Emgrand EC7 passed E-NCAP with 4 stars in 2011. MG3 and MG6, which are basically Chinese cars, passed with 3 and 4 stars in 2014 and 2011. Days ago I paid a visit to Guangzhou auto show and I checked Geely Emgrand. Their GL and GC9 did surprised me. They look good, spacious, with luxury interior. With the price of about 100k yuan I would prefer Emgrand GL to Honda Fit. Another Chinese home-made car that amazed me is the Maxus G10. What a bargain, with 150k I can get all the space and seats from Toyota Alpha in it... And, FYI, 2010 Buick LaCrosse was designed and produced in China. So that can be a Chinese car too. Chinese cars aren't all about fake duplication and shabby quality. See Emgrand, GAC, Roewe cars, they are able to compete with import cars.
Great video ! I agree that most Chinese cars from the last decade were rubbish but these days, there are a growing number of well-engineered Chinese cars. It is not surprising because many Chinese car companies hire foreign talent or ex-employees of Western or Japanese car companies. Some are rich enough to buy whole companies. I think that Chinese cars will become very popular in the future, especially in developing countries. But the copycat Chinese companies will not survive, only those which invest in long term gain and real R&D will prevail.
LOL, real R&D. :D To be able copy a car, you need as much competence as to create said car. To say those companies will not survive is like claiming there will be no demand for cheaper knock-offs in the future which is a non sequitur.
it is way easier to copy then to invent something. try invent a new legit looking Disney character. and then to a side by side copy of a real one. then look which one looks best.
If they learn their techniques with a college degree in a foreign country and go back to China to be engineers in a car company, that's NOT called copy-cat. Stop invading China and start behaving yourselves, foreigners, and you will see China back to its innovative glory again.
no.. there is one in indonesia.. cherry panda 5 years ago here.. and none of them ever exist anymore.. cause the quality is shit. i am chinesse but i prefer japanese car
Djone Tan Indonesia is a shithole so naturally, China wouldn't export their best cars there. Funny thing is Chery makes OK cars now, like the Arrizos. But who cares about Indonesia?
Most of the brands in the vedio are low-quality and not welcomed by average chinese , to be honest , their sales are really bad. However, There do exist good-quality chinese cars, such as Haval H6 (which sells 300000 cars per year) and Geely GC9 (which shared the same designer form Volvo), i wish you guys can make a vedio of driving test. ruclips.net/video/QUzEkej6HiQ/видео.html ruclips.net/video/6zMmdufglC4/видео.html ruclips.net/video/ydKh24p_6FA/видео.html
I think that you do not deliver the correct information about BYD. I own an BYD Qin, I think it is much better than most of the street cars, especially if you drive in the city. The one I own is a hybrid version, in fact, I let my BMW X1 get retired, and get BYD. And if you talk about pure EV, BYD is could crash the BMW i3. In the EV world, nobody give a f* about Gearbox. I think that every time you talk about something, it is better that you update your info first.
Borgward was the parent company of four brands of East German cars, of which I have owned two non running Borgward Isabella coupes (that I never got around to restoring) and a fully functional LLoyd 600 (but of far lesser value). Borgward went out of business somewhere around the mid-1960's, decades later (2008) the brand and logo were brought back by an international group with branches in China, Russia, India, Brazil and Mexico. The engineering and design of Borgward Group products is German, so there's a good chance they're a cut above average.
3-4 years ago, Brilliance was all set to enter the EU market. The cars were shown at the Brussels auto show, deposits were taken from prospective buyers. All that was left for deliveries to begin was the formality of passing EU crash tests, which the manufacturer assured the importer the cars could do. You know the rest, the cars not only failed, but they failed miserably. So much so, that in order to save face, the Chinese started circulating footage of the cars successfully passing their own crash tests. Of course, when watching slow-motion footage you can't tell if the car was travelling at 100km/h or at 30km/h...
This year, my wife (chinese) and I bought a new car. She was adamant not to buy a chinese car. She felt chinese cars are too low in quality. We ended up buying a Hyundai.
OMG lol, I love your channels, that being said, if you were to drive so recklessly like ya do in the video, in the states, you would be losing your license lol :)
here in the usa most people i've come across prefer foreign cars to domestically built American ones. My chevys are 20 and 25 years old and still run awesome so I don't understand the hate.
Maybe people just want something of good quality from another culture. Here in Europe american cars are considered quite cool and a part of America. :)
I couldn't help to notice your ignorance on some facts. JMC is not a knock off of GMC, it stands for Jiangling Motor Company. Haima is not a knock off of Mazda, it's from Hainan Mazda, a joint venture formed by Hainan motor and Mazda years ago. Dongnan is not a knock off of Mistubishi, also a joint venture. Borgward is a German brand, bought by Chinese company Foton last year. I suggest you to do some homework before you shoot and post the video. Your comments on Chinese cars are based on your assumption that all Chinese cars are either copy cat or low quality, then you ride your motorcycle on the streets looking for proof, not based on facts. The copy cars pictures you showed are at least ten years old with the exception of Landwind. Why you didn't make any comment on the original Chinese cars like Borui or Trumchi. Overall, your video is missleading.
If JMC isn't a knockoff, then why is the name and the badge almost exactly the same as GNC? Just a coincidence I guess. Also GMC stands for General Motor Company. So 2/3 of the name is exactly the same.
I own the geely X7 been with me 3 years now no major issues so far. Spark plugs ,fuel filter , air filter still going strong and its a copy of the 2007 rav4.
China has nukes, car companies that would potentially sue have... ?? Plus, they want badly to sell cars in Chinese market anyway, so they will agree to a lot- like, for example, those partnership deals
All (?) third world nations copy hardware from advanced nations: Russia, East Germany, Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, China, India, etc. Sometimes they gain legal licences to legally operate. It takes many years of "copying" to gain self-sufficiency. Similar to being a teenager.
For those who might find it interesting:Borgward was a german luxury auto brand from 1939 til the 60s. They were really good and the design was legendary when it came to "out of the box".The went bankrupt in the 60s.
as a routine visitors in china i must admit you got big balls to drive a motorcycle there. china is really safe country, but not the road. i always pick public transportation and walking everytime i visit china, the public transportation really good there.
Here's my take on Chinese cars (or products in general). Back in the day when Japan and then South Korea were moving from low to high quality, each stage was from lack of resources, but they continued to strive for improvement. They took the long view, and put pride into their products even before they were up to snuff. Chinese companies on the other hand have a complete disregard for making a quality product, there's absolutely no long term view. They have no problem pirating EVERYTHING, at the same time no remorse if they make a product that actually kills people (lead paint in kid's toys, toxic materials in clothing, fake food & medicine, etc). Just take a look at scooters. The quality of ROC (Kymco) scooters has been improving considerably over the years, yet PRC (Lifan) scooters continue to be SHIT!
I love how in the end, when you’re doing your drone outro, it looks like there’re a bunch of guys coming out of the nearby shops to scold you for operating your drone XD
Our company invested a significant amount of money to put equipment in to support & prepare for Chinese mandate to install air bags as mandatory manufacturer requirements. In the very near future (1-2years) all new model cars will have to have air bags to protect car owners.
So much misinformation its not even funny. The only reason why Chinese cars are not in North America is because of the auto unions and their lobbying with the US Department of Transport(DOT). It would be the end of the Small 3 and the end of American industry as we know it if Chinese car brands were allowed in ! BYD electric buses is already operational in New York City, Los Angeles, London, Toronto, Montreal etc... and tons of major cities throughout the world. Companies like Brilliance which makes BMW, FAW makes VW, Audi, and SAIC makes GM and Fords. Chinese cars are sold in Germany, UK, Italy, Australia, Russia, Africa and South America ...you think the land of Benz, Audi, BMW and Ferrari has lower standards than the rust buckets the Small 3 produces in North America ? ...you can lie to the 99% of the dumb masses, but you can't lie to those in the know ! Why not visit dealerships such as Hongqi, Rowe, Brilliance, Cherry, Geely and Great Wall etc...? Nice try with those ancient crash tests from 2008, they have since been consistently scoring 4-5 stars in the NCAP crash tests these days ! The Small 3's days are numbered and only the Korean car makers like Hyundai/KIA are poised to challenge the Chinese brands, Japanese brands are no longer competitive as most are now made in North America where you have to pay close to $30,000usd+ for an econo box like a Toyota Corolla or a Honda Civic !
Here in Italy there are basically no Chinese cars. the only one I ever knew is the Dr1, but it was ferociously criticized by every reviewer and I only saw a handful of them for a while. Now they disappeared.
good it should stay that way. who wants a shitty car in a western country anyway. you should by locally manufactured cars. no matter what you say they are shitty cars.
I think you folks are too unfairly criticized... In fact some of Chinese domestic car factories make pretty good vehicles such as BYD and HAVARD SUV. Ok, I have to admit that local manufactures are still growing and improving the technology. However, don't you folks think your AMERICAN BUILT are absolutely perfect? It's NOT! FORD originated from COPYING from GERMANY cars!!! AND with no offense. But you guys should absolutely improve your personality and attitude. You are showing your poor personality in this video by saying "rubbish" and DISCRIMINATING words! Feels like, I can't tell. Maybe it's a common scenario that some of western guys like you folks in CHINA are feeling superior to Chinese people. I just don't understand how, and why?! Please be respectful. Again, RESPECTFUL
Yes I think you are correct. I am a retired American engineer living in Laos and have been watching the influx of more Chinese products of all sorts. Some are very good, but some are still shoddy. The same was true of early Japanese and then Korean products of 50 and 40 years ago, respectively. I think the quality of Chinese products will improve over time as Chinese buyers become more affluent and discriminating.
+Yongbo She Both of these guys love China and if you watch their other videos, then you will see that. In America we’re able criticize American companies or products without it hurting our national pride: for example American public transportation sucks. In true Western fashion these guys are just “calling it like they see it.” As of right now Chinese cars aren’t as good as European, American, or Japanese. But that doesn’t mean I’m 10-20 years from now that China could make very good cars. Trust in the process of your country learning and growing.
Matt B they hate China, they are faking their love for China. I had watched many of their videos, they only compared it to some American brand for you to feel like they love China. They cannot work in China, their wives families hate them so they hate China, too.
Even in the US, Lifan small engines are pretty popular in some classic Japanese motorcycle circles. They are cheap and will work reasonably well if not better than the original - given that the original engines we are talking about are 40+ years old or so. The Chinese really can't screw up a motorcycle engine. I sure as hell would not want to buy an entire vehicle made by them, though.
When Great Wall pickups first appeared in the uk I was quite interested due to the good long warranty, but after the test drive I really, really didn't want one and was quite disappointed as the price (of course) was good (though nowadays your looking at about £18k) and I'd hoped they might have copied at least *some* of the quality of western pickups but unfortunately not. Since then I haven't seen a single one on the road. It drove like a 1970s vehicle really.
I'm German and this is the first time I ever heard of "Borgward". Man, I haven't seen a Suzuki car on German roads in ages. They must have pretty much retreated from the European market a long time ago.
Just noticed this video. Borgward was a German car manufacturer from 1929 to 1960. There's even a picture of one of their old cars up on the sign. Evidently someone in China as decided to "channel" the brand.
About Haima : FAW Haima Automobile Co., Ltd., trading as Haima, is a Chinese automotive manufacturing company based in Haikou, Hainan and a subsidiary of FAW Group. ... Haima was founded in 1992 as a joint venture between the Hainan provincial government and Mazda to produce Mazda models for sale in China. so it's not copy, but on licence
I'm an Aussie and drive a great Wall suv. theyre not bad. parts r cheap as theyre part mitsusquishy Triton part Holden rodeo. it's All about the price bro
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The whole Chinese economics is very impatient or say '浮躁‘. Many businesses are targeting quick profits without investing in research or development.
Chinese manufacturers are no exceptions. They just copy exiting foreign cars, sometimes probably only the appearance and sell for profits. There are no stability tests or mechanical tests and inside those cars are simply all sorts of low quality car parts put together.
This topic can be easily extended to 'the vacuum in the protection of patents and copyrights'---'Why would any company spend money in R&D if others can just copy my research results?'
Badly copied. See the crash resistance tests in the video. Poor engineering, poor material & metal choices, poor workmanship, etc.
Things get much better now.
That says allot about chinese culture. It is simply a criminal mindset that isn´t sustainable in the long run.
japanese have been during the same for thousands of years, copying from the Chinese, and then the Americans during the Meiji Restoration.
I thought Chinese are patient when It comes to business.
The echo from the communicators being near makes it kind of sound like you two are blaring your opinions of Chinese cars as loudly as you can.
Crash-worthiness? Why bother when you can replace a human a billion times over?
Yep even family members would see it as one less mouth to feed. Lol
Borgward Is the name of an old German car company
@@markheinze1850
Chinese love german brands and that’s why they thought if they revived Borgward’s marque it would sell well in China
1.4 billion hahaha
Same in Russia. One would only buy Russian car when nothing else possible.
Nikolay Klimchuk but don't they run forever?
Judging by the Russian dash cam videos, people seem to love buying Ladas due to the self driving feature. Too bad that feature doesn't work well, as that is what appears to be happening in all the videos.
Russia still produces cars?
You can produce anything when you got yo forty-one.
Atleast they reliable af
The second VW dealership you rode past was not for imported VW cars, it is the second joint venture company in China, FAW-Volkswagen, made in Beijing. That is right, there are two separate Volkswagen JV companies in China making alternate models in the VW range. For example, FAW-VW makes the Golf model in Changchun and Audi cars, while SAIC-VW makes the Polo in Shanghai and Skoda vehicles. By the way, that car company you could not recognise with the Winged 1 logo is for the original FAW company, the original Chinese car company, thus First Auto Works FAW.
Those crash test videos are scary!
What more scarier is how Chinese drive. For safety wise, I really think if you spend same money on a Chinese car, you will get the same quality. But people always prefer cheapest one. In china, drive is like fighting, no matter what kind of car you drive. you may get killed.
Get killed like 80s car.
Aside from the time the Engine blew up on the Hi Way, and that time when the wheels fell off, and that other occasion that the steering wheel came off in my hands, .......apart form those incidents I'm perfectly happy with my Chinese made car. 10/10 for trying !!
Even Chinese don't like Chinese cars. lol
Who can blame them? They are shit.
The only they like , their stinky shit sorry if aim wrong !
This is American propaganda but we have Chinese cars here in Uganda they're working well
@Your Dearest Fan That's nothing. Put another zero after that and I'll be impressed
@@nabayembadiana1683 "American propoganda"...
I love the Borgward. They went out of business in WW2, or soon after. It used to be a luxury car brand like Mercedes.
@16:43
"If you're in a Chinese car I hope you liked and subscribed BEFORE the ACCIDENT"
you should have said this
I had same question as why if China were as powerful as I heard so much about (at least economically) there weren't Chinese made cars in western countries. Now I know, thanks.
Shit quality and ridiculous brand names also helps with that.
I got to admit, this is the best and most entertaining content I have seen on youtube in a long time. I like SerpantZA videos, but the concept of driving bikes in China is very interesting and informative. I really hope you guys keep pumping out the videos, it is the best content I have seen in a long time.
Here in New Zealand Great Wall sells quite a few utes & SUVs. I considered one when I bought my current Toyota ute, but while I was at the dealership I saw a current year ute that had about 20,000KM on it and the seat was falling apart - completely worn away at the seams. I just kept walking and counted myself lucky :-)
Tim Elley
Sounds like they dumped them in your country because their own country won't even touch them
@@cooliipie Stop complaining, the quality of Chinese cars is crap, end of story.
So national pride reins supreme except when personal pride or safety is at stake?
In Australia we've got Haval, Foton, MG and Chery among others. Haval make decent cars, but the others are pretty bad and they don't sell very well.
Oh, never seen any in Melbourne.
"Great Wall" is another Chinese brand sold in Aust. I've only seen Great Wall small trucks/trade vehicles (maybe it's a sub-brand of one of the others and only offers trucks/trade vehicles), and I've only a few of them, but they are around.
My partner and I both own Chery J3's (A3) we love them, styling from italian studio Pininfarina, they handling fairly well, safe ( we know first hand, involved in a collision and kept us safe, so a bought another) and i really like the lack of road profile, keeps people guessing and makes it special, although I've seen a few others driving arou d the northern suburbs of Melbourne, I was actually looking forward to the Chery Arrizo 5 coming to Australia, but no new RHD Cherys.
My partner and I both own Chery J3's (A3) we love them, styling from italian studio Pininfarina, they handling fairly well, safe ( we know first hand, involved in a collision and kept us safe, so a bought another) and i really like the lack of road profile, keeps people guessing and makes it special, although I've seen a few others driving arou d the northern suburbs of Melbourne, I was actually looking forward to the Chery Arrizo 5 coming to Australia, but no new RHD Cherys.
alexaescht
Haval is the only manufacturer out of those that I would call respectable. Watch out for their trucks in another 2-3 years - they're starting to get it going!
Does China not have crosswalks cause you were playing frogger lol.
Crosswalks in China are targets for cars.
Hey, that's where the idea of Frogger came from! They pay copyrights royalty to China
People use their eyes instead.
@@tombaker2510 Sure because with croswalks people drive with eyes closed. What a moron...
Lol first world commenters...
most of those cars are 10 to 15 years behind for emissions and would add thousands to bring to north American standards it also costs millions to get each model certified. china will be the biggest polluter in a few years because of that.
Next to the u.s. miltary with their 700 global bases they are. Yes.
Hey guys.. don't LAUGH..... BORGWARD is/was a german company
WIKI "Borgward Isabella"
I'm laughing, only because it sounds funny. Just try to stop me!!!! ;-)
mavfan1
Not in german (dummkoph !!)
This video isn't in German, flachwichser.
mavfan1
Indeed "borgward" is german (arschlecker)
????? it's a name, but the video is in English (armleuchter)
I know life has to move on, but I miss these ADV days.
You say about Chinese vehicles in the west, well Great Wall sell trucks in the UK and you do see them on occasion.
Yeah I see this other Chinese brand of busses for school
Wrong on the comment about Japanese made stuff back in the day. I owned a 1972 Honda CB175 motorcycle and a 1979 Honda accord as well as a 1976 "Marantz" Stereo that were all made in Japan and definitely superior to any products made anywhere in the world then or now. Those and other vintage Japanese products are very desirable. You'll never say that about today's Chinese brands in the future.
They did not have the quality they have today, they dominate, a much more competitive world market. The problem was they did not have the durability, the cars would rust away in states where they salt the roads. American car of that time were complete POS.
right . japan wasnt bad per se and they included a lot of standard features on their new car but their steel wasnt up to snuff. However, they have improved materials later on in the 80s when they owned the production top to bottom.
Isuzu Buyer a twin boss?nice can picture it.
what people meant with "back in the day" is their product after WW2. Only about after late 50s the quality of japanese product began to improve, in which pioneered by Toyota (if I am not wrong).
Isuzu Buyer
"a 1976 "Marantz" Stereo that were all made in Japan and definitely superior to any products made anywhere in the world then or now"
"The first Marantz audio product was designed and built by Saul Marantz in his home in Kew Gardens, New York."
"2001, Marantz Japan acquired the brand from Philips and owned all overseas sales subsidiaries."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marantz
Sounds quite American and Dutch to me.
The Japanese copied and improved on the original, the Chineses appear to rip off and ruin the original :(
u guys have very deep and broad knowledge of the country it seems, consistently high quality videos u been putting out
I had a Lifan 320, and it was a good little car. I drove it 67.000 km in two years without any problem, just the normal service.
Cheap to buy and cheap to run.
DI ZAZZO i bought a Chery Tiggo in 2014 and use it in Dubai. No problem so far. Cheap to buy and cheap to run.
NONONONON, NO Chinese car so far.
I remember 10 years ago, we laughed at Chinese phone, but now I love my Huawei.
Maybe in another 10 years, they can make decent cars too.
And I love my Xiaomi but if that fails it wont just kill or endanger me like a chinese car would.
Chinese made cars , electronics foods are all garbages
Chinese are really good in electronics but not in machines or mechanical things.
thanks for the interesting topic. Just to clarify all foreign brands be they German, Japanese , French, Korean are joint venture productions with in most cases 100% local content of components, i.e. everything is produced in China. Beijing has not permitted any fully owned company by a foreign car / commerical vehicle maker. Many tier one and tier two automotive systems / component suppliers also are likewise in China to supply their auto maker customers from local production and some supply the chinese makers too, at least for some models. As you know only very high end or special cars/ vehicles are completely imported from foreign production as for now e.g. Porsche, Merc S-Class or the Maybach or most of the Merc SUVs , Ferrari etc. The luxury tax and import duties make these cars far more expensive in China than in western countries. A VW or SKODA made in China at any of the several VW plants has the same international quality as the same model produced at a VW plant in Germany or Slovakia or USA. The same applies to the locally made Merc C and E Class and BMW 3 and 5 series (JV with Brilliance). VW group has two different jv partners for example Shanhai VW started with the Santana that was never a success in Germany in the 70s and the other jv partner in Changchun made the Audi 100 later A6 Chinese version with the longer wheel base for more passenger legroom in the rear. ( same longer wheelbase models also for E Class Merc and 5 series BMW). All local chinese makers use modern production / automation equipment like jointed arm robots , machine tools etc. as any western or northern Asia (Japan and S.KOrea) plant would do. QC systems are mirrored from the TS /ISO standards, 6 Sigma continuous improvement system, as well as Japanese Toyota derived production process optimizations (Kaizen, Lean) with just in time or kanban supply of components to the car makers assembly lines. Chinese makers have also hired quite a few top experts from GM/Opel or VW management background, this mainly to create models for exports into western countries as the long term goal. Sorry for the many word. Cheers guys
that huge explosion at the chinese port showed acres and acres of burned cars waiting for export. they must go somewhere.
yes way that is so for a number of years now. The old Santana was continued mainly for taxi reasons, that is an old technology yes with many facelifts and updated engines. That vehicle would not be anywhere else available apart from China. All other models are only slightly adapted to the Chinese market and absolutely have the same reliability and performance as the ones built at other assembly plants worldwide, be they Puebla Mexico, Chatanooga USA, Woilfsburg Germany, Bratislava Solovakia in Spain under Seat brand or S.Africa etc. The same can be said for the french makers PSA (Citroen / Peugeot that hugely invested and expanded their Wuhan factory) as well as Renault/NIssan, all the other japanese makers Mazda, Honda , Toyota that are traditionally clustered in Guangzhou area. Mind you japanese makers usually have international models adapted to the local market. But the quality is the same level as other models built in Japan for the domestic market. For VW for example the US Passat is not the same as the European Passat, it was desiogned specifically for the US customer and the road / speed requirements and the price target to compete in the US with Hondy Accord and Toyota Camry for example.
Chinese built cars by local makers are appearing in many developing countries of eastern Europe , Africa , S:E: Asia., as well as south/central America. Some high end ones have made test launches even in Europe and plans are there for the North American market. China is already building huge infrastructure projects in many parts of Africa, as well as supplying trains and busses for example. Many of these technologies are of course derivatives of licenses from western partners, as in the case of the so called local high speed trains in China.
I have a friend in Namibia and she said south african built cars can not use the OEM parts for their respective brands, they just dont fit.
do you know how many foreginer car's expert are working in China today ?
do you know how many Chinese brand automobiles were manufactured in China every year ?
15 million , every year ! note !
I never seen any Chinese brand car has break down on the road ,at his over 100 vlogs . did you seen ?
I also never seen any garage full of Chinese brand car
I think the quality of Chinese brand car is very very good today
I owned a chinese made Chevy Malibu for 3 years and had no problems at all. Just gas and oil changes! Actually it looks assembled better than american ones. It was so perfect that i sold it for only a few thousand RMB less than what i paid for it 3 years ago!!!and after a long wait I just got my new chinese Honda Civic turbo. Construction quality is not as nice as the Malibu but it drives so much better!
A car made in China is a Chinese product, period. Even Though the brand itself is not Chinese. The same applies to the iPhone. Anything else is an arbitrary distinction, because if you factor in R&D even blatant copies of murican vehicles become murican vehicles, since r&d has been done in the USA.
By the way, now I can say Chinese made Hondas are not as good as Chinese made GMs
Red phoenix
There a difference. With products like iphone, westerns quality and durability is strictly followed. Real chinese companies follow chinese crap quality
you do realize that pegatron and foxconn have a second line of qc done by apple's own employee's on sight part of the supply contract
Why people want to pay 1/20th to buy a Chinese car and ask it for a Ferrari quality ?
Aliex Simth: The truth is, with the very low labour costs in China - they really ought to be able to produce a much better quality car (even for their domestic market), but still at a much lower cost than overseas-made cars. I feel that China is doing both itself & its people a great dis-service, by churning out such vastly inferior cars, when it ought to be able to do better. And it is doing immense damage to its country's manufacturing reputation in the meantime. I don't think anyone is expecting a Ferrari quality car from a Chinese manufacturer. But it would be good if at least they could produce a decent, safe, sturdy, reliable car, that was not going to break down frequently - even during any "warranty" period (assuming there is such a thing as a "warranty" on these Chinese cars).
Good question. Only a dumb and greedy want a good quality and Payless. It never happened on Earth. Only a dumb ass crying like a child.
People ain’t askin for Ferrari, just something that won’t fall into disrepair after a handful of months
Toyota single handedly drove the quality movement in automobiles. They are the reason we have cars that can go 250,000 miles. That was unheard of in the 80’s.
One of the few things about China that I'm not proud of. China was once a place of innovation, and isolation under Mao has damaged that culture greatly. It only opened itself up to modernization 30 years ago and I understand the need to catch up with the rest of the world, but to see so many lots filled row by row with lazy fakes and potential death traps is a real shame. I think all that metal could be put to better use.
Actually China lost innovation in the Qing Dynasty, when the arrogant emperors prevented trading and locked down China from within. After that China had never been the same.
I think killing and enslaving all the teachers, educated, rich, and business people finished innovation in china. there is a thing called institutional knowledge, sum greater than its parts. so you can train brilliant engineers, but they make the mistakes that if older engineers were around could say we tried that and this is why it didnt work
+goodby guy that was part of it, but Mao did the most.
傻逼dumb ass
Not just make copies, China needs to build innovative cars that actually compete globally.
Korean cars were a joke when they first went to America, but after 10 years people realized they hadn't needed repairs they gained respect. Then they could invest in more research and development and now they compete against the big dogs.
But I guarandamntee you, if the air conditioner breaks 3 times? Or even once? Just give up. The first rule to gain respect is reliability. Not so much anymore as all cars are reliable now, but they weren't fairly recently. The airbag doesn't count because they were across manufacturers.
few years ago, Great Wall Ute/tradesman's car was quite successful amongst the Australian local tradies, they are cheap and suit most needs. But then asbestos were found in the AC vent, and you wonder why Chinese themselves don't buy Chinese cars.
Yes
I remember that
I think the asbestos was all over the car... Brake pads, a/c vents etc
Killing your customers with a slow, agonising death is not the best marketing ploy
Using the broad brush on Chinese cars does not make any sense. Asbestos is not guaranteed death. It is just said to be a dangerous substance.
It certainly doesn't help their reputation still, and asbestos is still very very bad to be inhaling. The really dangerous part of asbestos is it wont hurt you right away, it highly increases your risk of mesothelioma among other diseases and cancers, that will affect you later in life. I've heard people try to claim asbestos isn't dangerous, like it's a liberal lie, but it is very dangerous, it is dangerous when it's inhaled. If the asbestos isn't breaking off into the air, it wont harm you, but a car vent sounds very bad, because that is a lot of air flow!
If China doesn't want the bad reputation, they need to prove they have safety regulations in place to prevent this sort of thing from happening. To us in the west, China's market just sounds like an unregulated free for all.
I search the news online, not found in the AC vent, but in engine exhaust gaskit.
Lorrenzo *head gasket
Those BYD (Build Your Dreams) e6 taxis are used in Brussels, Belgium for 2 years.
They were used in most major cities in Europe (with a max of 50/city).
Never got in one of them, don't like taxis, and those are mostly driven around the city centre/touristic/financial areas.
Thanks for the video :)
Bought a Great Wall X240 3 years ago, never given any problems, drives well, quality is ok and it has a 4 star safety rating. So I would recommend it if anybody asked.
First, Haima isn't a mazda knock off, It's acronym for Hainan Mazda which bought the Mazda production line several years ago.
In April 2009 Reuters reported that the company's partnership with Mazda, by then ended, had been established "to receive technological help" and that Haima was selling a car that seemed similar one of Mazda's offerings without consent.[10]
In November 2010 a plant for the assembly of knock-down kits of the Haima 3 was opened in Cherkessk, Russia by Derways Automobile Company.[7]
i worked for a chinese brand before, changan is the best chinese brand, design and quality wise close to korean car level, haval have some suv products selling pretty good but the quality is still soso, chery and geely have some interesting products. a minivan brand called baojun sells really good, like 50k units pro month. and the top 10 chinese car brands sells abroad, tens of thousands pro year, mainly to middle east, africa. south america. the chinese brands which dont have their own engine would use autherized Suzuki engines. in the electric car market, chinese cars are working well, low tech, sells good in the big cities thanks to the policy.
I've had my Luxgen U7 for 5 years now. Only had two problems. Alternator stopped charging and last month my clock spring had broken. Both really quick fixes.
After watching your video I decided to look up the crash test footage. Lots of footage, but I can't find an ASEAN NCAP report for it.
GEEK CHANNEL! Hi guys, i love your videos, but sometimes I want to see more of TECH stuff, in particular motorcycle stuff. I think I m not the only one!
Hi Winson and laowhy, I suggest you guys to do more homeworks before publishing a topic like this instead of shooting video based totally on your stereotype. It appears to me that you guys trying to giving people insight about Chinese car but you even not able to pronounce the most popular Chinese made suv 's brand name. I am a little bit surprised.
1. First china is the world's largest automobile market, it is one of the most important market for all of the major car makes around the world. Nearly all of the major player including United States,German, France,Japan, Korea and etc formed the joint company and make Chinese sold cars in China. Every company should have its strict standard to ensure that the product satisfy the requirement or simply you lose the game. I am not sure why you have the impression that Chinese made foreign brand only has 50% of the quality as the corresponding imported type. If that is true, i will blame the quality engineer of that car company. I use iPhone made in China in United States and I do not have any issue. I am driving a Mexico made Volkswagen and I do not have any issue.
2.Among the low end rubbissh copycat car you showed in the video. I have to admit that it is true and as a Chinese I feel really shame about it. But I am not sure if you know that part of crappy is only consisted of small fraction of the car sle in China. A simple search of last year's data you could find that among all the cars sold in 2015 almost 50% are from foreign brands(non Chinese brand) ,the left 50% is Chinese brand, and the popular sale of Chinese brands are HAVAL/GEELY/Baojun/Cheryl/BYD. The copycat like "JMC/KIya? And etc are not on the list.
3. You point out that not a single Chinese made car has passed any western crash test. But a simple search in Google I found GEELY got 4 star in euro ncap, qoros got full five stars in euro ncap... You releaseD a video of car crash test almost ten years ago and as you are in China I am sure you know ten years for China means huge change.
I like your video, when you guys point out that Chinese people become more nationalist I feel very sad for you. I support you guys by buying your adventure tv show. (Yes that is only couple dollars).But when you guys just post a video without any homework. Talking something randomly based on your stereotype and totally ignore how much effort from many engineers/designers/supporting staffs paid to make a better product. I feel a sense of your ignorance and superioty. Maybe I am wrong.whaterver, stay awesome.
you are right ! he is son of BBC , he nonsence everything about China.
I am a Chinese and I agree with you. There are so many scumbag business people in China that eventually will be weeded out by natural selection. I have high hope that one day the Chinese car industry will be head to head with European counterpart. The Chinese car industry just needs to go through this awkward time similar to a woman in labor going through the pain.
i have to agree with you. those cheap brands are actually focused on people whos not capable of buying a decent one, and the same thing happens in most developing countries (russia has some too) so whats the big deal?
i like his vids also, but some vids such as this one is like, totally mocking other country's bad part.some comments are like,'wow china is a shitty place' and you didnt say anything but when a chinese guy tryna explain something youre still mocking them for being sensitive and nationalist, wtf?
btw, when i was in china i once tried a luxgen s5 and it honesty felt better than toyotas altis/camry.
I here some BMW and Volvo engines are now being built in China and shipped to EU and north America for production. Let the west think it's built at home. Just all the parts came from China. The video idiots did not dwell on the most sold cars in China are General Motors and VW second and they are built in China. Along with Ford, Chrysler, Mecedes , BMW ,Audi, and others. Chinese people I know spend more at lunch than these two idiots are worth.
this is his video of his experience using his chinesse cars. just make a video how good is your chinesse car is.. oh wait you use a bmw and a vw right!
8:02 that man with his t shirt rolled up wtf
Must be a Pinoy!
I work at Landrover, that copy makes me cry :)
Borg-Ward? I thought it was the old American Armoured Vehicle, and Truck manufacturer:
*Borg-Warner* !?!
I can't believe that the crash test video quoted at the end of the video is so old, if my memory is right, this test was done about 8 years ago. And China does has crash test, which is called C-NCAP, using the standard similar to the European NCAP.Hey man, most of your videos and Winston's videos are unbiased, but this one is absolutely bias, and misinforming the people who don't understand much of the Chinese car industry.
we would all be amazed to hear from another source an opinion on Chinese car industry
Sounds like they just may be outdated
Yea Serpent you can deal with it (being in a Chinese car) because you haven't been in a bad car accident yet. I've been in a bad head-on collision, and was glad for the safety and structural features the car had. Was it totaled? Yes. Was I alive and relatively uninjured? Yes. You choose what matters most.
I've been in bad car accidents in the past, not in China, but that's because everyone drives really slowly here and I'm a more experienced driver than anyone here
FYI: Air pollution, especially ozone, really kills rubber. Los Angeles used to have that problem really bad in the 1960's, the tire manufacturers had to add a tougher synthetic rubber to the mix to keep tires from shredding themselves very quickly.
The former Borgward car manufacturing company, based in Bremen, Germany, was founded by Carl F. W. Borgward (1890-1963). It produced cars of four brands, which were sold to a diversified international customer base: Borgward, Hansa, Goliath and Lloyd. Borgward’s Isabella was one of the most popular German premium models in the 1950s, while Lloyd’s Alexander / Lloyd 600 model offered affordable mobility to many working-class motorists. The group ceased operations in 1961, following controversial insolvency proceedings. The brand was revived in the 21st century, with the Stuttgart-based Borgward Group AG designing and marketing cars manufactured in China.
for some reason the Chinese cannot get enough Buicks. Buicks sell out in China the second they hit the lot
Bryan McHugh i think by memory buick was one of the few first foreign brands to tap into the chinese car market. so when the first people got rich in china thats what they bought and it had a good image when others seen rich people driving them. i remember seeing wealthy people driving buicks just before i left moved to australia in early 2001
agreed. I have got to give Buick credit here they are pumping out some top shelf stuff lately.
China's last emperor loved Buick's and therefore was the first car ever to be owned by an emperor. So they have long been looked at as status symbols
well more and more chinese are going to know the the buick is a old brand and uses old chassis. But the Buick in China is quite different from in Am, i remember 4years ago they exported the first few hybrid car in China.
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Is it the luxury factor?
China does produce a great value 49 cc bike motor. (Honda copy). Husang & they work quite well, parts are readily available.
Vehicles were exported to several markets, including Australia, and New Zealand; ten were sold in Malaya. Borgward Hansa Isabella Saloon. Borgward Isabella Cabriolet. Borgward Isabella Combi 1959. Borgward Isabella Coupé (2+2) Borgward Isabella Cabriolet (2+2) Borgward Isabella TS Saloon 1961. Borgward Isabella P
Good job guys. This a good piece. I'd imagine you guys can get deeper into this whole car subject in China. Especially with the new EV laws there, there must be a big movement on that direction. China has access to a huge reserve of minerals to make batteries.
In fact, I'd love to contribute to that if you guys are interested. I've been in the automotive business and have worked for a Chinese company in the past.. (never again tho haha)
Oops, gotta be positive here.. lol
BIG correction: even most sold Audi BMW and Mercedes in China nowadays are joint venture, let alone toyota, honda, nissan, vw, etc. They are all made in China. Baidu them if you wanna know more. 合资品牌汽车
add to that: it is not often for people to buy imported cars now. really.
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Actually some Chinese cars have passed ENCAP with a 5* rating. Quoros 3 (why didn't you include it in your video btw?). As for import car brands, virtually all cheaper (or even upper mid range in some instances) foreign models are manufactured in China including Audi A6L, MB E class and BMW 5. This is a common practice in many big markets including Thailand or even Vietnam in some instances.
Also Brilliance autos which features in that infamous car crash video (which is from 2007) actually manufactures the real BMWs that are sold in the Chinese and other Asian markets.
yeah but that same logic applies to computers and their are definitely good and bad models
Absolutely brilliant video and being a total car nut very interesting. Thanks - awesome quality and you're both great to listen to.
Thanks for showing us the Chinese domestic cars. Very interesting. Never seen them up close and with explanation like this.
I have seen BYD in the west! In spain, i have seen it many times!
Wow, about 20,000 murican dallas for a Suzuki Swift in China. Suzuki is actually primarily a cheap compact and sub-compact car brand. The import tax must be immense.
worry, 2018 oct price a swift 1.5L MT about 10,400 USD (include tax and insurance) see link below
suzuki is a yesterday brand in china, no people buy it . they quit china market in 2018 as they did in US.
jiage.autohome.com.cn/price/carlist/p-27105#pvareaid=2094115
I can buy a nice 2017 year car in the us for that price.
That crash test was crazy
Those crash tests near the end is terrifying
I remember a few years ago there was a news frenzy over a chinese car *finally* passing an EU test, saying that they will try to enter the EU market soon, I guess that never happened because I've never seen one
And I've seen crazy-ass shit like "street-ready" go-karts!
It was an SUV, with the looks of a 90s/2000s range rover
+Menko It's Changcheng. They did sell cars in EU, but of course nobody would buy it.
Graham Ou Bingo!
+Menko it's a shame Chinese products have such a bad reputation. Doubt it'll change any time soon
BYD is in spain! I saw them.
thank you for the statement that we will not see Chinese cars for a long time in western countries.
+DavidRsaid I don't think you understand where gasoline comes from
do you know how many foreginer car's expert are working in China today ?
do you know how many Chinese brand automobiles were manufactured in China every year ?
15 million , every year ! note !
I never seen any Chinese brand car has break down on the road ,at his over 100 vlogs . did you seen ?
I also never seen any garage full of Chinese brand car
I think the quality of Chinese car is very very good today
you get what you paid ,poor guy
Looks like my Sony camera in its leather case? Love your series-I have learnt so much. Greetings from Tasmania Australia 👍😁🇦🇺🦘
Borkward was one of the first German luxury cars in the 1950`. Was very surprised to find it in China. Good Information, guys, thank you!
HAIMA used to be called Hainan Mazda and produced Mazda 323 and Premacy. Later FAW and Changan Ford took the production of Mazda cars so they turn these two model into their own cars and start their new brand called HAIMA. Also instead of being mainland China domestic cars, Luxgen is from Taiwan. JMC has nothing to do with GMC apart from their names and they are based on old ISUZU D-MAX/Chevrolet LUV.
The sub-brand of Chevy, Qoros, passed E-NCAP with 5 stars in 2013. It's cooperated with an Israel Company though. Geely Emgrand EC7 passed E-NCAP with 4 stars in 2011. MG3 and MG6, which are basically Chinese cars, passed with 3 and 4 stars in 2014 and 2011.
Days ago I paid a visit to Guangzhou auto show and I checked Geely Emgrand. Their GL and GC9 did surprised me. They look good, spacious, with luxury interior. With the price of about 100k yuan I would prefer Emgrand GL to Honda Fit. Another Chinese home-made car that amazed me is the Maxus G10. What a bargain, with 150k I can get all the space and seats from Toyota Alpha in it...
And, FYI, 2010 Buick LaCrosse was designed and produced in China. So that can be a Chinese car too. Chinese cars aren't all about fake duplication and shabby quality. See Emgrand, GAC, Roewe cars, they are able to compete with import cars.
Great video ! I agree that most Chinese cars from the last decade were rubbish but these days, there are a growing number of well-engineered Chinese cars. It is not surprising because many Chinese car companies hire foreign talent or ex-employees of Western or Japanese car companies. Some are rich enough to buy whole companies. I think that Chinese cars will become very popular in the future, especially in developing countries. But the copycat Chinese companies will not survive, only those which invest in long term gain and real R&D will prevail.
LOL, real R&D. :D To be able copy a car, you need as much competence as to create said car. To say those companies will not survive is like claiming there will be no demand for cheaper knock-offs in the future which is a non sequitur.
it is way easier to copy then to invent something. try invent a new legit looking Disney character. and then to a side by side copy of a real one. then look which one looks best.
If they learn their techniques with a college degree in a foreign country and go back to China to be engineers in a car company, that's NOT called copy-cat. Stop invading China and start behaving yourselves, foreigners, and you will see China back to its innovative glory again.
no.. there is one in indonesia.. cherry panda 5 years ago here.. and none of them ever exist anymore.. cause the quality is shit. i am chinesse but i prefer japanese car
Djone Tan
Indonesia is a shithole so naturally, China wouldn't export their best cars there. Funny thing is Chery makes OK cars now, like the Arrizos. But who cares about Indonesia?
I have been driving my Chinese car for about 6.5 years. It's still running great... though lots of things have broken.
Loved these advchina videos back in the day ❤️ you guys are great
Most of the brands in the vedio are low-quality and not welcomed by average chinese , to be honest , their sales are really bad.
However, There do exist good-quality chinese cars, such as Haval H6 (which sells 300000 cars per year) and Geely GC9 (which shared the same designer form Volvo), i wish you guys can make a vedio of driving test.
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I think that you do not deliver the correct information about BYD. I own an BYD Qin, I think it is much better than most of the street cars, especially if you drive in the city. The one I own is a hybrid version, in fact, I let my BMW X1 get retired, and get BYD. And if you talk about pure EV, BYD is could crash the BMW i3. In the EV world, nobody give a f* about Gearbox. I think that every time you talk about something, it is better that you update your info first.
Borgward was the parent company of four brands of East German cars, of which I have owned two non running Borgward Isabella coupes (that I never got around to restoring) and a fully functional LLoyd 600 (but of far lesser value). Borgward went out of business somewhere around the mid-1960's, decades later (2008) the brand and logo were brought back by an international group with branches in China, Russia, India, Brazil and Mexico. The engineering and design of Borgward Group products is German, so there's a good chance they're a cut above average.
3-4 years ago, Brilliance was all set to enter the EU market. The cars were shown at the Brussels auto show, deposits were taken from prospective buyers. All that was left for deliveries to begin was the formality of passing EU crash tests, which the manufacturer assured the importer the cars could do. You know the rest, the cars not only failed, but they failed miserably. So much so, that in order to save face, the Chinese started circulating footage of the cars successfully passing their own crash tests. Of course, when watching slow-motion footage you can't tell if the car was travelling at 100km/h or at 30km/h...
Borgward was East German. I wonder if they will steal names like Steyr (Austrian; defunct) or Hispano-Suiza (Spanish; long-gone).
MrJohndoakes actually west-german, and the rights for the name has been sold recently.
German now.
Nope, west. But Wartburg was.
Or brands like Studebaker, Duseldorf, Kaiser, Nash, etc.
8:08 um yeah
This year, my wife (chinese) and I bought a new car. She was adamant not to buy a chinese car. She felt chinese cars are too low in quality. We ended up buying a Hyundai.
Damn, that BS6 crash test. Tough luck surviving that.
08:05, lewd tummy shot [GONE CHINESE]
GONE SEXUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL
That's the famous Beijing Bikini!;)
why are the jmc trucks not allowed in the city is it the same all over china
Yeah, I was waiting to hear why too.
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This is among the most interesting channels on YT! Thank you for making this, and keep up the great work!
OMG lol, I love your channels, that being said, if you were to drive so recklessly like ya do in the video, in the states, you would be losing your license lol :)
here in the usa most people i've come across prefer foreign cars to domestically built American ones. My chevys are 20 and 25 years old and still run awesome so I don't understand the hate.
also winston needs to let c milk talk. He always cuts him off and changes the conversation
Lol some people say that I do the same.
It's an interesting topic. Everyone has different words to say.
www.quora.com/Why-are-American-cars-seemingly-less-reliable-than-Japanese-cars
Maybe people just want something of good quality from another culture. Here in Europe american cars are considered quite cool and a part of America. :)
Maybe it is about image and prestige. The word quality is a vessel.
I couldn't help to notice your ignorance on some facts. JMC is not a knock off of GMC, it stands for Jiangling Motor Company. Haima is not a knock off of Mazda, it's from Hainan Mazda, a joint venture formed by Hainan motor and Mazda years ago. Dongnan is not a knock off of Mistubishi, also a joint venture. Borgward is a German brand, bought by Chinese company Foton last year. I suggest you to do some homework before you shoot and post the video. Your comments on Chinese cars are based on your assumption that all Chinese cars are either copy cat or low quality, then you ride your motorcycle on the streets looking for proof, not based on facts. The copy cars pictures you showed are at least ten years old with the exception of Landwind. Why you didn't make any comment on the original Chinese cars like Borui or Trumchi. Overall, your video is missleading.
Thanks for your insight on Borgward. My second car, back in the mid 60's was a 1958 German Borgward.
Scott Morton how old are you?
If JMC isn't a knockoff, then why is the name and the badge almost exactly the same as GNC? Just a coincidence I guess. Also GMC stands for General Motor Company. So 2/3 of the name is exactly the same.
S SK isn’t the Trumchi a rehashed Rover?
*Ben Civiletti:* _"Also GMC stands for General Motor Company. So 2/3 of the name is exactly the same."_
- Do you know what BMW stands for?
Not going to lie. That purple bike is fresh af.
I own the geely X7 been with me 3 years now no major issues so far. Spark plugs ,fuel filter , air filter still going strong and its a copy of the 2007 rav4.
16:11 Grand Theft Auto 1 view :D
so the foreign companies don't sue the copycat companies? I understand when things like headphones or accessories are fake but a whole car , DAMN!
China has nukes, car companies that would potentially sue have... ?? Plus, they want badly to sell cars in Chinese market anyway, so they will agree to a lot- like, for example, those partnership deals
It no illegal in China
+DavidRsaid David are you okay? Did some Chinese government guys beat you up?
All (?) third world nations copy hardware from advanced nations: Russia, East Germany, Japan, Korea, Hong Kong, China, India, etc.
Sometimes they gain legal licences to legally operate. It takes many years of "copying" to gain self-sufficiency. Similar to being a teenager.
can you name a single auto company from any developing country which copied a full car ? none in asean or latin america , definitely not in India
For those who might find it interesting:Borgward was a german luxury auto brand from 1939 til the 60s. They were really good and the design was legendary when it came to "out of the box".The went bankrupt in the 60s.
as a routine visitors in china i must admit you got big balls to drive a motorcycle there. china is really safe country, but not the road. i always pick public transportation and walking everytime i visit china, the public transportation really good there.
Here's my take on Chinese cars (or products in general). Back in the day when Japan and then South Korea were moving from low to high quality, each stage was from lack of resources, but they continued to strive for improvement. They took the long view, and put pride into their products even before they were up to snuff. Chinese companies on the other hand have a complete disregard for making a quality product, there's absolutely no long term view. They have no problem pirating EVERYTHING, at the same time no remorse if they make a product that actually kills people (lead paint in kid's toys, toxic materials in clothing, fake food & medicine, etc).
Just take a look at scooters. The quality of ROC (Kymco) scooters has been improving considerably over the years, yet PRC (Lifan) scooters continue to be SHIT!
DJI drones are made by Chinese company and engineers.
+DavidRsaid haier, huawei, zte, lenovo. Here you go
They make cup noodles
I like Chinese car. Not all bad.
I love how in the end, when you’re doing your drone outro, it looks like there’re a bunch of guys coming out of the nearby shops to scold you for operating your drone XD
Our company invested a significant amount of money to put equipment in to support & prepare for Chinese mandate to install air bags as mandatory manufacturer requirements. In the very near future (1-2years) all new model cars will have to have air bags to protect car owners.
So much misinformation its not even funny. The only reason why Chinese cars are not in North America is because of the auto unions and their lobbying with the US Department of Transport(DOT). It would be the end of the Small 3 and the end of American industry as we know it if Chinese car brands were allowed in ! BYD electric buses is already operational in New York City, Los Angeles, London, Toronto, Montreal etc... and tons of major cities throughout the world. Companies like Brilliance which makes BMW, FAW makes VW, Audi, and SAIC makes GM and Fords. Chinese cars are sold in Germany, UK, Italy, Australia, Russia, Africa and South America ...you think the land of Benz, Audi, BMW and Ferrari has lower standards than the rust buckets the Small 3 produces in North America ? ...you can lie to the 99% of the dumb masses, but you can't lie to those in the know ! Why not visit dealerships such as Hongqi, Rowe, Brilliance, Cherry, Geely and Great Wall etc...? Nice try with those ancient crash tests from 2008, they have since been consistently scoring 4-5 stars in the NCAP crash tests these days ! The Small 3's days are numbered and only the Korean car makers like Hyundai/KIA are poised to challenge the Chinese brands, Japanese brands are no longer competitive as most are now made in North America where you have to pay close to $30,000usd+ for an econo box like a Toyota Corolla or a Honda Civic !
Here in Italy there are basically no Chinese cars. the only one I ever knew is the Dr1, but it was ferociously criticized by every reviewer and I only saw a handful of them for a while. Now they disappeared.
good it should stay that way. who wants a shitty car in a western country anyway. you should by locally manufactured cars. no matter what you say they are shitty cars.
30,000 usd for a civic... are you on drugs?
My one year old Hyundai was 12k. Its great. I love Ohio... the cars are apparently the same price as in china.
Also, they explained why most Chinese cars aren't abroad... they struggle to pass safety tests. 😬
I think you folks are too unfairly criticized... In fact some of Chinese domestic car factories make pretty good vehicles such as BYD and HAVARD SUV. Ok, I have to admit that local manufactures are still growing and improving the technology. However, don't you folks think your AMERICAN BUILT are absolutely perfect? It's NOT! FORD originated from COPYING from GERMANY cars!!!
AND with no offense. But you guys should absolutely improve your personality and attitude. You are showing your poor personality in this video by saying "rubbish" and DISCRIMINATING words! Feels like, I can't tell.
Maybe it's a common scenario that some of western guys like you folks in CHINA are feeling superior to Chinese people. I just don't understand how, and why?!
Please be respectful. Again, RESPECTFUL
Yes I think you are correct. I am a retired American engineer living in Laos and have been watching the influx of more Chinese products of all sorts. Some are very good, but some are still shoddy. The same was true of early Japanese and then Korean products of 50 and 40 years ago, respectively. I think the quality of Chinese products will improve over time as Chinese buyers become more affluent and discriminating.
Yongbo She China needs to spend money on R&D instead of going after quick profits and sales.
+Yongbo She Both of these guys love China and if you watch their other videos, then you will see that. In America we’re able criticize American companies or products without it hurting our national pride: for example American public transportation sucks. In true Western fashion these guys are just “calling it like they see it.” As of right now Chinese cars aren’t as good as European, American, or Japanese. But that doesn’t mean I’m 10-20 years from now that China could make very good cars. Trust in the process of your country learning and growing.
Matt B they hate China, they are faking their love for China. I had watched many of their videos, they only compared it to some American brand for you to feel like they love China. They cannot work in China, their wives families hate them so they hate China, too.
Even in the US, Lifan small engines are pretty popular in some classic Japanese motorcycle circles. They are cheap and will work reasonably well if not better than the original - given that the original engines we are talking about are 40+ years old or so.
The Chinese really can't screw up a motorcycle engine. I sure as hell would not want to buy an entire vehicle made by them, though.
When Great Wall pickups first appeared in the uk I was quite interested due to the good long warranty, but after the test drive I really, really didn't want one and was quite disappointed as the price (of course) was good (though nowadays your looking at about £18k) and I'd hoped they might have copied at least *some* of the quality of western pickups but unfortunately not. Since then I haven't seen a single one on the road. It drove like a 1970s vehicle really.
why is everything that's made in china so bad?
lokustic iPhones and Samsung phones are also made in China, Are they really bad? You get what you paid for
Di Chao but theyre not chinese brands. what i really meant is chinese brands that were made in china.
DJI drones, Huawei smartphones are also made in China, but are not as bad as you think.
You Jin why dont they give a shit? dont they wanna make a product that they can be proud of?
Weihua Shi DJI is pretty good yeah ok theres at least one. other chinese companies should strive to at least become like DJI.
THIS VIDEO IS TYPICALLY A BBC SPONSORED ONE
I'm German and this is the first time I ever heard of "Borgward".
Man, I haven't seen a Suzuki car on German roads in ages. They must have pretty much retreated from the European market a long time ago.
Just noticed this video. Borgward was a German car manufacturer from 1929 to 1960. There's even a picture of one of their old cars up on the sign. Evidently someone in China as decided to "channel" the brand.
Great vid! You need to take some of thesebad boys for a test drive.
About Haima : FAW Haima Automobile Co., Ltd., trading as Haima, is a Chinese automotive manufacturing company based in Haikou, Hainan and a subsidiary of FAW Group. ... Haima was founded in 1992 as a joint venture between the Hainan provincial government and Mazda to produce Mazda models for sale in China.
so it's not copy, but on licence
My gear selected cable snapped on my 1991 Ford Mustang. Was a simple $17 fix and about 2 hours of my own labor.
I'm an Aussie and drive a great Wall suv. theyre not bad. parts r cheap as theyre part mitsusquishy Triton part Holden rodeo. it's All about the price bro