Meet the people fighting to keep Ireland's abortion ban
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- Many Irish people see the abortion referendum as a crossroads. Ireland could say yes and turn towards the liberal values of the EU, while a no vote would defend its Catholic conservatism. Phoebe Greenwood went to Limerick to meet voters who want to save the eighth amendment and ask where they think the referendum will leave Ireland’s national identity
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It does not matter if you're a man or woman, if you believe if something is evil fight against it.
But abortion is not evil.
@@clairefrier2353 That's your opinion though.
@@ChrisM-dx8up I know I’m not the only one who thinks that. I can remember over 20 years ago, watching a programme called maternity and in one episode a young woman was having a scan and she was told that her baby’s brain hadn’t properly formed and wouldn’t survive the birth. Are you seriously trying to tell me, that you think she should’ve carried on with the pregnancy?
@@clairefrier2353 You're giving anecdotal evidence for a vast minority of abortions when the majority are against completely healthy babies. Also I never stated my opinion, I've just said that if one were to believe abortion was evil they should fight against it.
@@ChrisM-dx8up I don’t understand why some people think abortions are evil (when they’re not)
Everyone who voted yes will be judged at the gates of St. Peter.
I suppose that's the majority of the country down the drain so
You are right, mate
Afraid those don't exist
@@alvismit they do exist. Be sure
@@zealotzealot4848 Your name is very fitting.
God bless all who want innocent lives saved
What business is it of yours what another does with their own body?
@@shocktrauma85
The babies bodies?
@@shocktrauma85 Not their body mate
apparently this same conservative scumb*g murdered 9000 babies...so much for pro-life eh...
@@yeyyeyyey5104 so they killed babies don't you like that dumb dumb, liar
The Guardian is basically saying that only conservative Catholics have a problem with abortion. People of all faiths and none have issues with the taking of human life. How liberal exactly is the EU again?
Exactly it fits this narrative the liberal media wants to purport that only those of christian faith can be opposed to abortion. It misrepresents the many who take this view without any religious affiliations because it is then associated with an ideology and a vote cast solely on the basis of the churches teachings. This completely 'unbiased' representation of the no side, with the majority of it conveniently conducted inside the church grounds, an image known to enrages many, naturally opens the floor up to debate and invites anger from those obviously infuriarated by the negative aspects of the churches past in Ireland and thus undermines the message and reasoning behind the no vote for many.
While I agree the Guardian is profoundly biassed, the problem is there is no rational objection to first trimester abortion that isn't rooted in religion. I'm an atheist and I dont know of any atheist who isn't pro-choice. I'm sure they must exist, but they certainly dont number 'many'.
If you want me to believe you are a secularist who supports the no vote, then start your response with "I do not believe in god"? We'll soon see if there are 'many'. :D
Martyntd5 I'm a pro life atheist voting no tomorrow.
A leading Muslim organization in Ireland is supporting Yes.
+David Burke Are you really? Mind if I ask why?
The sole purpose of this report seems to be to portray opposition to abortion as something confined to devout Catholics.
This is grossly inaccurate.
You’re right. In reality, anti choice is either preached by religiously insane individuals or ignorant individuals
Mandy Schmidt or just by intelligent people who happen to have a different perspective than you??
Mandy Schmidt It’s ignorant to not want to kill babies? If so, and you can explain how, you are a genius.
wincent - it's ignorant to seek to force women to have babies they don't want without knowing the reasoning behind it. End of story
N- Ing in 99% of all cases of abortion, convenience is the factor. Do you think this makes it okay to kill the baby?
Good to show the other perspective, even if we dont agree is important to get all angles of the figure
Esteban Valdivia
I do know what you mean, but in this case, there aren't two LEGITIMATE sides.
One is based on a book collected by men 2000 years ago, unless these people also treat us women like livestock, have slaves, and stone disobedient children, then what these people who have no consequences for their vote, have no say.
It should be a women only vote.
chokinonashes61 this is not about women’s rights. This is about the removal of the constitutional rights of an entire section of society. The No side wants to protect the life of both the mother and the baby
+C Hayes No it isn't, it's about religion. There is no biological of scientific evidence to suggest a baby in the first trimester has any more environmental awareness, cognitive function or the ability to feel pain, beyond that of a jellyfish. But you dont get bent out of shape over jellyfish rights. The difference is that the bunch of cells in question, are human and according to your religion, that makes them sacred. It has nothing to do with anything else. It's about keeping the rules of your religion, written into state law.
chokinonashes61 no one is based on stopping murder and one is based on allowing it many atheists are voting no ffs
chokinonashes61 the amendment was introduced in the 80s 70s
Where abortion is legal, you don't have to have one. No one is going to force you to abort. You chose. You decide.
However, where abortion is illegal, you can't decide, someone has made the decision for you. You have no control, no choice.
That's the real question and anyone, on either side, trying to make it a referendum about the church is a dangerous fool.
The really crazy thing, is that even in the event of a No vote, nothing changes. Irish women will still travel to the UK to have the abortions they're denied at home. It's not going to change anything. All that will happen, is that some people's religious moral objections will continue to make life unnecessarily difficult for women when they're already going through the traumatic decision to have an abortion - and let's be clear. No woman wakes up thinking they'll go shopping and squeeze in an abortion before lunch. It's not a frivolous decision. Every woman I know who's had to have one, for whatever reason, has gone through emotional anguish before arriving at that decision. Including my own sister, who had to have an abortion at a very late stage because her baby would have been born with huge genetic and physical abnormalities, inherited from the father's side.
Very very true.
This is a non argument......you could say the same about slavery. I don't agree with slavery and I think it's wrong but you can choose to have a slave if you like..... your choice. If it's wrong......it's wrong. Vote No for this form of abortion!
What about the child's choice? The right to be born is more important than the "right" to end that life. False ideology drives the so called right to choose movement. It turns justice on its head, might over right.
They see it as murder of a human being. If you see things that way you aren't going to be okay with it going on at all.
Am pro choice, but this vid is really biased towards pro choice and presents none of the pro life arguments other than portraying these people, and even the people of Ireland in general, as religious nutcases. As Louis CK said (discount his recent indiscretions) - give pro life people a break, they do after all think your killing babies. Of course they’re gunna be anti-abortion if they think people are casually killing babies. They’d be evil if they didn’t get outraged at that.
It’s the guardian, what do you expect
When young non baptised babies died,catholic priests refused to bury them with marked graves because they 'weren't children of god'. Now they are saying that all children are equal. Bit ironic innit.
So were they correct back then and wrong now? or vice versa?
@@wordforever117 the fuckn vatican is always wrong. They're satanic. Be christian, fuc catholism
i'm irish and for all you racists calling my country backward just remember the reason why abortion is illegal in ireland is that here in the country the unborn has equal rights and is considered alive. the yes vote would remove this eqaulity. also to all you lefties why did you choose to interview old catholics? because they're an easy target. i've met people who are black, women , athiests and muslim in ireland who are against abortion don't see them on the video.
i'm on the fence but pisses me off that they show ireland in this light. i talked to both sides and the no campaign at least in cork were non religious , non political had non irish , had women , gays ect who stuck to the issue. but two stands for the yes campaign were very political showing off their faces like they were fishing for votes in the next election and tried to shout down no voters. it's so obvious that they went to look for old catholics rather than anyone else on every street in every town in ireland
The no campaign has been funded by religious organisations and has been represented in all debates by religious organisations. IONA, Ronan Mullen, Wendy etc. That young couple in the video who go to mass and are voting no, that is no coincidence. In my local church, which I do not attend, they had a guest speaker who said abortion was genocide like the Nazis FFS. There are of course athiest anti-choicers, but they are being represented by religious organisations and that's a fact.
true but you can't deny a certain bias i mean read the description 'keep it's catholic conservatism' ireland is 87% catholic but we're not a backward catholic country we voted for same sex marriage but to cherry pick catholics above all other beliefs is biased where are the gays, muslims, athiests, immigrants from nigeria to poland but like i said you went straight for the group you knew were against abortion from the get go shows you framing the debate by clearly using terms like this in your description shows what you're trying frame that ireland is backward. we're culturally catholic not catholic conservative learn the difference.
@@scottbuckley823 but Savita Halappanavar died in your country from sepsis and she wanted her baby.
I used to be pro choice but now I’m pro life thanks to people like this doing Gods work 🙏🏻 we all know abortion is morally wrong !
Didn't think so. Your surrender is accepted.
Why is abortion morally wrong?
Amen, my sister wants an abortion but I want to be a dad.
@@mrj3369 you got the whole squad laughing
Amen! May I ask how you came to be pro-life? What changed your mind?
A lot of irish people decides things even they dont know what really they are about to face.
Áve María, grátia pléna, Dóminus técum.
Benedícta tū in muliéribus, et benedíctus frúctus véntris túi, Iésus.
Sáncta María, Máter Déi, óra pro nóbis peccatóribus, nunc et in hóra mórtis nóstrae.
Ámen.
Yawn
There is a reason why Latin is called the dead language, maybe not dead, but certainly on life support.
@@hammyhog4748 You are not very well connected to the real world are you? Haha
@@wordforever117 I live in it, how about you?
Yesss! The devil hates Latin! trying to learn the rosary in latin and this is the first prayer i memorized so far. Mater Nostre, ora pro nobis pecatoribus 💖🙏
It’s not even a matter of religion. Just humanity, morality and compassion. Women and girls in tears celebrating they can kill babies it’s just very sad. I wonder how many abortions will be carried out in Ireland where the mothers life is at risk and how many just because the baby is unwanted... God have mercy on us we are wicked. We get shocked at pagan cultures where newborns were offered to Moloch in the fire yet we do the same. Instead of Moloch the god is self now. As a father of two with just a 10 day baby girl I’m shocked at this and my Irish wife is ashamed
Are as you as offended by all the priests and religious abuse of children? how long did the abuse happen?
Untold History it's been proven (by the world health organisation) that abortion rates are lower in countries where it's legal than countries where it's illegal tho....
hospital records of people coming in with injuries from performing unsafe abortions@Ruth Kingston
It's a shame so many young people celebrate death of babies.
so true.... I see photos of women celebrating...sickening....
It’s okay to say ‘I can’t do this because of my beliefs/religion.’ It is NOT okay to say ‘YOU cannot do this because of my belief or religion.’
I’m fed up of some religious people feeling their beliefs and what a book written thousands of years ago tells them is more important than protecting women.
elly elizaa x just kidding I wouldn't want to see a murderous cow in a picture
elly elizaa x but fr you are going to hell
Lord Logic ...okay
elly elizaa x send chicken nuggets
I am a religious person myself. But nobody, and especially not a flawed and corrupt institute as the catholic church, has the right to force one's religion upon others. Religion should be a strict personal matter. There should be a strict and wide seperation between religion and the law.
This report is aimed at the Catholic Church. When in reality a lot of no voters may not be devoted, practising Catholics. I class myself as a Catholic, but I do not necessarily agree with the church. Just because I am Catholic does not mean I would vote no. I would vote yes but I still do have reservations. Not because I am Catholic but because there has to be a system in place that abortion does not become a norm. At the end of the day if the no vote had won there would still be women travelling to England everyday to have an abortion. Ireland has been ran by the church for to long and we need to step away from this for many reasons.
Please do not place all Catholics in the same group
Andrea,
Why identify as Catholic if you do not believe in its fundamental teachings?
I think I disagree with the logic of since it's offered elsewhere, then it should be legal. If something is wrong, then it shouldn't be legalized for all people. But, perhaps you believe it is okay?
I do not think any person of any religion fully agrees with the teachings of that religion. The Catholic Church does not condone a lot of things, which contradicts that the church is supposed to be a loving and welcoming place which it is not. I do not think I have to agree with everything in the Catholic religion or the church to be a Catholic.
It is not that I believe because it is accepted elsewhere that we need to accept it. The reality is we as women in Ireland have to travel to a different country or buy pills online to have a treatment, that women feels is necessary for her to do in her life. She in my opinion should have the option to do that in her own country, without facing a penalty.
If you look back at history in Ireland the Catholic Church restricts people from personal decisions and Ireland is changing, to the sense that we have to stop the church making rules and laws in regarding people's lives.
Andrea,
On your firs point: I can tell you that I fully agree with the Catholic Church's doctrinal and dogmatic teachings, due to their authority to make such decisions given by Jesus through Apostolic Succession, and I know many other people who do too.
On the second point: I see, so you believe abortion is a good and moral? Or no?
On your third: I would say that many people in Ireland assented to the Church's authority, and now many apparently do not assent to that authority over their lives, even regarding the most important issues like this. This isn't uncommon in the West, and it clearly has had an effect on the morality of the West as a whole. We must consider then, how are the people who voted 'Yes' going to determine good from evil from now on? What will their guiding moral compass be, if not the Church?
Morality means dismissing raping children but opposing termination of an embryo
????
Not sure you fully grasp the debate tbh
@@wordforever117 They're just pointing out the hypocrisy
All human life matters. We ought to protect human life
specially the defenseless babies
@@rjyahin05 so what if the brain of the baby hasn’t properly formed, would you force the woman to carry on with the pregnancy?
I believe all SENTIENT life matters. If you care about life don't eat meat!!! Animals killed for their flesh suffer horribly whereas zygotes and embryos don't think or feel anything.
The trauma of childbirth? Of adoption? Of miscarriage? Of being unwanted?
Pro life agnostic over here not just a religious issue.
You're probably a minority. The Catholic church and it's followers are very vocal about the subject.
Who’s DatBoi then u believe in soul otherwise u are killing bunch of flesh until late of the abortion.
I am pro-life and pro-decriminalization of abortion. The best way is to leave legal system out of this issue.
Well said son.
rushy scoper A grown human is just a piece of flesh.
@Spooderdoggy. I am also a non Catholic. I studied embryology in University and saw many aborted Foetuses that we used to experiment with. If women having abortions actually saw their terminated foetus or watched their own abortion. most, except the most amoral women would regret their decision to have an abortion. Many late term foetuses in UK have to be Anesthetized because most obstetricians understand that the foetus feels pain. There was even a time in UK when live aborted Foetuses were experimented on. This is no different than Dr Mengeles experimentation on Jewish children at auchwitz. Throwing abortion into the hands of our quazi doctor prime minister Varadkar, with the support of Mary Lou and others, and giving the abortion procedures to high earning foreign abortionists is madness!! Both Women and the unborn need the Protection of the 8th amendment!!
dlougha still voted yes
+Mandy Schmidt because you're a mindless sheep that's been influenced by fallacious slogans
Hahahaha OMG the lies! Late term abortions only happens on extreme circumstances - before that, 12 weeks, there's almost nothing to see, and it's so small that you cannot experiment with it. Embryos feel no pain before 13 weeks or so, they don't have brains. Literally.
+Lumbridge Cook Abortions were already legal for ectopic pregnancies or when the mothers life was at risk
Mandy Schmidt Good
I had an abortion in 1976 after being told by doctors that I would never be able to have children. I don't know who to blame. All these years later I feel guilty and will never forget the child I could have had. The thought I was murdering my baby never came to mind until years later. And I can tell you it hurts. Please consider, if you are pregnant about the baby you are carrying.
Fifty per cent Nowhere I had an abortion at 16, and now I have twins and one on the way. I have no regrets.
Mandy, We obviously deal with our actions differently. You don't care, I do.
Mandy that's because you're thinking too much about the cows. Maybe the cow is a metaphor and you're channeling your regret and pain through the baby cow/ cow.
Fifty per cent Nowhere your comment touched me for personal reasons, know this sister, God forgives, speak to him about this.
noone is forcing abortion on anybody, its a choice practically the same number of abortions will occur after the vote
Now show the yes side of the table..
toyotaprius79 that wouldn't make good tv though. Jesus they interviewed down aweful gobshites in the piece.
Patrick Hayes Lol. Ikr. But really I do think both sides have bad folks. I mean have you seen the overweight hairy hardline anti-men feminists in Ireland.
Jesus, some of them heifers want to repeal men it seems.
Nope. "Yes" gets plenty of attention already.
@Tony B It's about human rights. Read about it.
Its so funny seeing the subtitles when you're watching this and you're irish so you understand everything anyway
I'm English and I understood 100%.
I’m American and I understood everything too lol
Love how you had to subtitle this
Why on earth does the church hold such a huge role in this
They don't
Clinging on to their last shreds of relevance
Nell Godwin they don't this video just made it seem like they do the no campaign isn't driven by the church at all
Johnny Irenchi No, Brazil has more catholics
@ Nell Godwin: Because leftist progressives want to push this as a purely religious argument rather than a social one regarding basic human decency.
"babies were buried in unmarked graves" yes, some were buried but hundreds were found in slurry pits
And now where do you think the aborted baby pieces are going to go
@@nick-her9275 stem cell research?
Tar babies died during the Potato Famine or Influenza Pandemic. There are always mass graves during times of plague and famine, and women have naturally low immune resistance during pregnancy, and are also eating for two. One of my family members found one of the first Tar Babies discovered in Ireland. They weren't aborted they were miscarriages.
edt) you don't carry a child to 6 or 8 months and then abort, especially not in that time period. So, don't try to claim that was religion doing it. Central Planning did that.
@@nick-her9275 I'm sure people who work for institutions like the World Economic Forum and United Nations have an idea or two.
We live in crazy and evil times.
don't stop being you - We are being controlled like sheep by the few powerful rich people in the world who run the show
"fruitful time ever", but how can it be when around the same number of WW2 casualties in total are aborted each year alone? That is fruitless rather than fruitful; the opposite of what you are saying.
Catholica abortion isn’t “casualties”, no one is dying
oh come on. really?
Catholica yes, really, the fact that you don’t see the difference between a sentient living human and a clump of cells is amazing.
All talk like someone is forcing them to do an abortion. You don't like it then you don't do it, but you can decide for someone else.
Abortion still happen even if it's ilegal or not
Is anyone here from ireland?
Marcos José yes
U mean fighting to remove on of women's rights
The European Union should not be looked to for guidance on ANY ISSUE. As long as Ireland is a member of The E.U., it no longer is free/independent.
Freedom for dictatorship isn't a thing. Freedom for stealing it's acceptable. That's why countries needs to have rules.
@@eevve9894 Whilst the EU has many problems I remember Ireland in the 1970's and it wasn't a nice place to be, a near stagnant economy heavily reliant on agriculture with crumbling infrastructure and the computers even back then were antiquated. Shops closed on a Sunday, an over reliance on the church and alcohol to keep the masses under control.
@@hammyhog4748 Ireland definitely benefitted from the EU, it still has it´s independence.
do not listen to the brexiters who are delusional.
Ireland do the right thing please and let people do what they want.
Yeh everyone should be able to do whatever they want. Choose which drugs you want to take, choose to beat up whoever you want, choose which stuff to take from shops without paying. What right does the state have to restrict us from doing stuff!?!
No one else gets a vote on abortion? Abortion imposed? Choose not to have a abortion, done! What you want is to choose for others. That is the imposition.
Banning abortion is a violation of human rights. as long as it is ok with the carrying women to carry out abortion, preventing it is human Rights violation.
I honestly don’t understand how people can support abortion, who are you to deny someone the right to live? Why should someone not have the right to life, purely because it’s not convenient for the parent? Don’t want to have kids? Use protection. The selfishness of abortion supporters is appalling
jimmy nickels The argument depends on where you draw the line between a life and merely the potential for life, as well as the question of whether it is better to be born into a world where no one wants you or not to be born at all.
Sameer Thomas if it has self-replicating cells and human DNA it's a life.
The human rights violation is against the unborn baby that gets murdered through abortion. If you kill a baby in the womb its no big deal these days, oh but if you kill a child you will be sent to prison. Women who have abortions should be sent to prison! They should pass that law, then lets see how many of these feminist will still have abortions!
TheFootballstar5588 Why limit yourself to human DNA? And why is self-replication a necessary condition?
Why don't these religous people foster a child who needs a home. Thank goodness I won't have 2 see any of those in your face vote no posters again .
A lot of them do. Most of the children in the foster care system don't even care that they don't have parents. They still go to school, interact with other kids, and make friends. Its not like they live in hell. The statements pro choicers make are so stupid and selfish. And guess what you probably will need to see those vote no posters in you face because the majority changes.
There are victories that don't call for exultations but a dirge. When you win and still can't help feeling you lost something, when among your well-displayed tears of joy there are furtive ones of genuine sadness, when all the lines and contours erased leave you wandering through empty spaces, it gives me an inkling you're human after all.
I can't help feel that blonde girl was lying about peoples reactions to her pregnancy. that is not a common reaction to a a young womans pregnancy..especially in Ireland, where keeping it is kind of your only choice.
As a teenage girl I once [with no reason whatsoever] thought I might be pregnant.
I was terrified and would have done anything not to be pregnant if that were the case, legally or otherwise, going as far as considering suicide if no other method worked. This is what most girls and women go through if the pregnancy is unwanted. Not some sick pleasure of the thought of killing babies.
It's weird that this is a religious issue. Not only does Numbers 5 clearly advocate abortion, but the church believes that all infants automatically go to heaven since they haven't had a chance to commit any sin. So an abortion is a free ticket to heaven, there is no better thing you could do for your child than give it a free ticket to heaven. Logically, Christianity has no reason to be against abortion. It shouldn't be a religious issue, moral/ethic/economic etc issue sure, but not religious.
Also, all the church needs to do is to promote sex education and contraception. Best way to avoid the need for an abortion, is to avoid an unwanted pregnancy. Best way to do that is education and contraception.
You are strong. You and every single person who is in this comment section no matter which side are intelligent beings. Please be kind with one another. Please understand that no person means to oppress another. That each side has a certain history and perspective that led them to make their own minds on this issue. Please support one another and try to not think badly of one another. We are all doing the best we can. Sending love from America, may we all respect each other’s beliefs and decisions.
Unless the Church provides free contraception and sex ed to prevent unwanted pregnancies, abortion should be legal. I mean it's not like women can die and suffer long time medical, social, professional consequences of a pregnancy, but yes.
Abortion is demonic. Thank God for these people! ✝️
Why doesn't god just destroy satan? He did create him after all
demons don't exist kinda like God
Crotchet he is going to, he’s letting him test the world to see if people turn to Christ or not.
Sin is a disgusting thing in front of God. All those who follow in the footsteps of Satan shall have their part in the lake of fire, with him.
Robbie, that doesn't make sense. God is all knowing and seeing isn't he so why does he need to test us? He knows exactly what is going to happen.
Crotchet he does because when Adam chose to disobey God, the world became fallen in sin. We need to TURN BACK to God, but he will never force himself onto anyone. If you choose to deny him in this life, you will spend eternity without him in hell.
It’s your choice.
Until a baby is born it's 100% the mother's decision what to do with HER body and everything in it. End of.
How's it any different if its born or not
No.
Baby has separate DNA code!!!!
Why does location matter so much? Are you a human outside a barn? Yes….What about inside a barn? Yes
This is actually a very impartial news piece, because Limerick City actually voted almost 70% YES in favour of legalising abortion.
“Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.”
Flash news: Ireland was voted YES to get rid off the 8th amendment 🎉🎉
Well I made the cut....they left out that I am an Atheist and most of the people featured in this video are NOT active in the campaign to save the 8th...I was aware that Phoebe Greenwood wanted to focus on the religious aspect of the NO campaign, which would be very difficult as it is a secular movement......suggested title change: "Meet the people PRAYING to keep Ireland abortion FREE."....Also, why has this video been made unlisted?
"A secular movement" - really? With IONA "Institute" front and centre of your compaign throughout. Ronan Mullen having been press secretary for the catholic church. Millions in foreign funding coming from religious groups in the U.S. No, definitely not secular - the complete opposite. A typical anti-choicer = lies.
Phoebe Greenwood you did indeed make me aware of your intentions and I made you aware that the NO campaign was not religious. Tommy Daly thought that your film was about regeneration; I hope you clarified that it wasn't like you said you would. The video title is misleading as only two of the people featured are involved in the NO campaign and I'm one of them. Also, abortion isn't banned in Ireland, it's restricted. There are plenty of religious people involved, our membership is multi denominational but religion is not a feature of the pro life argument. It would have been nice if you had made a film about the religious beliefs found in both sides; I'm happy to be with life affirming, rosary bead thumbing grannies against the abortion-is-a-sacrament witches that you will find in the YES campaign along with the ideological beliefs of the neo-liberals and their useful idiots in the far-left. But I imagine such a story wouldn't have suited your narrative.
The video was originally public, then was made unlisted (you need a direct link to find it) and now it is public again.
Welp, guess you don't consider yourself Irish anymore.
you dont know what youre talking about, the catholic church and Iona Institute took a huge roll in the campaign
Well now you're free to not get an abortion x
The 1937 consitution was passed by the free state or Eire, not the Republic of Ireland.
Globalization, urbanization and modernization have impacted Ireland so much that abortion, marijuana, LGBT and divorce all converted from illegal to legal, which really sucks!
Thanks for your opinion on my country Russian
You can always go live somewhere in a cave, away from society, if that makes you happy.
Being against abortion isn’t sexist, isn’t denying a woman her rights, what it is is standing up for a child so defenceless and being unable to see how Abortion is not the sugar coated murder of a child
Why is a fetus a child but a sperm cell or ovum not?
Sameer Thomas it's not fertilised. Once an egg Is fertilised by a sperm the only thing between the fertilised egg and a fully grown adult is time.
Jack McQuillan So should you be able to take out an insurance claim on a fetus?
Sameer Thomas sorry what do you mean by an insurance claim?
Jack McQuillan As in should a person be allowed to take out a life insurance policy on a fetus?
Despite the fact I’m a Christian, all of my points against abortion aren’t religiously based at all
voting yes makes the most sense, as it provides the most amount of freedom to all, as people who want abortion can get it, and people who don't want abortion, can not get it, it's simply a matter of choice for the parents.
This choice is important as it allows the parents to better control their lives, financial status... Allowing them greater prosperity.
Edit: This choice also makes for a more secular country, as not all religions are for abortion.
HawkingN why is freedom to kill a good thing
Ideology. If a choice means the death of another that choice is invalid. Using your freedom logic one could argue that anti-crime legislation restricts the choices of organised criminals. If someone wants to knock off a bank, should not that be their right to choose? I or you would not knock off a bank but why should someone else be prevented from doing so?
A life that is not self-sustainable doesn't get to have human rights. A child that can survive outside a womb you can allocate all human rights to. No problem. But shut it with the whole all abortion is murder thing because if you don't have an obvious standard for what constitutes human life. Your shitty arguments would make me a murderer for killing millions of sperm cells one of which could have fertilised an egg, to reach full maturity.
Samuel Orji That is a very dangerous point of view. It will be like unplugging the life support of people you know for sure are going to come back to life. Its called murder. Don't be daft and delusional.
You see, those people at some point had already been fully viable they had long been considered full-fledged humans. Already afforded all human rights because at some point in their history they met all necessary requirements. Human rights are never revoked only issued. So at what point do my sperm cells who like a fetus are both living organisms get classified as human. It's only people with weak arguments that straw man their opponents. Peoples religious beliefs hold no bearing on reality. The agreed upon consensus for affording human rights to a fetus is viability. Once that threshold is crossed terminating a life is murder. But if you choose not to have an objective standard as to what a 'HUMAN" is then you come out saying silly things like abortion is murder. And please don't bring up the silly concept of a soul. Because then you'd need to explain when the soul is formed during insemination? or does every sperm cell come with one?
NO VOTE : 723,632 YES VOTE 1,429,981
Well done Ireland for repealing this medieval law!
Ok. We are no longer in the medieval period. So what would you do if the modern Govt came in, like in China, and because of over population told you that you had to abort your fetus and you can't prevent them doing it because until the child is born, it has no more rights than a cyst in your womb? In China, it is estimated that over two million women have had forced abortions.
Fool
medieval is better than today's world
Um...abortion was socially acceptable in medieval times, we are going back there with these "new" laws - this must be embarrassing for you
@@leonagraca2239 no
Im an atheist and anti abortion wonder why I didn't feature
John O'Callaghan coz no one cares about you, u nut
Jasper your mother does
Because you aren't part of the huge flock of sheep in ever growing numbers!
Even with the lifting of the ban there are still strict regulations in place but at least now a woman or child that is raped will not have to go to court to be able to get a termination..
don't force a woman to have a rapist's baby!
Don't force a baby to die
Don't you agree having a baby is more dangerous for a woman than her having an abortion? Its the Rapist's fault. He's the evil criminal. No need to make the woman suffer also.
I think it's wonderful that people are being given the chance to vote on this. In other countries it's just been allowed without asking the general public what they think.
Megan I thought that, but after the result I feel differently. Here in the UK I can still say we didn't collectively vote to end human lives, our government just imposed it on us. But in Ireland the people chose this, and what will God say about that? I fear for Ireland's future now
A O Smith nothing because god doesn’t exist and a developing embryo has no sentience or personality
Pedro Gomez good did exist and one day you will find out, I hope it went be too late for you though.
A O Smith hah, yeah, no
Pedro Gomez well your going to find out soon enough.
My Body my choice. I am using contraceptives but if I were to get pregnant I would at least like to choose whether I will share my body with something for nine months or not. And before people swoop in and tell me: „Well don‘t have sex then!“, think about this: Do we still live in the middle ages where lust and sex is forbidden for especially women? Is it fair that men can have sex without fear of something growing in them and with the ability to simply run away from the issue of pregnancy while the women can‘t? I certainly think it is in no way fair. Not to the woman and not to the child that has to grow up with a mother that most likely hates it.
BubblyPersonalityll Why should Ireland have abortion just because you don't care enough to take responsibility for your own actions, its very simple, if you don't take precautions don't have sex, if you do have sex without precautions go get yourself the morning after pill, you can take it up to three days after, We have to endure that this country is now morally corrupt because you and others like you want to play with fire as much as you want, but don't want the hazzle or inconvenience of having to travel
Disobeying the first Commandment is the biggest sin .
Feels so weird as an Irish Protestant to hear how many people in this country still believe the only way Ireland can have its own identity is by being Catholic.
The opening shot summed up the guardian's biased attitude
spudinmud belly
Yet you are both watching, as well as the morons liking the comments.
chokinonashes61
Your point is I watched it therefore the joke is on me?
Phoebe Greenwood
Well worded defense but no matter what way you put it it's obvious what your agenda is. I'd say the guardian is very concerned with how the Catholic church will be after the referendum.
spudinmud belly The opening shots perfectly skewer exactly what the pro birth movement is about. Or are you just offended by their frank depiction of reality?
North American RUclipsr Aww. So cute.
I know there can be some strong accents here in Ireland but maybe some Brits can tell me: were the subtitles really necessary here?! For me they absolutely weren't...they're speaking English!
Ireland as we know is gone & not because of abortion been legalised... But just in general it's gone!
yes.. Ireland is a failed nation
how you could view abortion as anything other than a very obvious predominantly female choice is a mystery to me
Because the life of another human being, albeit at a very early stage of its development is involved. The sad thing is that that human being has to rely on its mother to protect its life and that's no longer something that it can count on.
@@MrDavidPun Boo hoo
"....I would disassociate from the Irish nation." BBBBYYYYEEEE!
Region has no place in the making the laws of the country. Have your views but don't dare force them upon anyone else. Well done to Ireland in lifting the ban
@@bengalspicegirly it is very much a religious issue as where I am from the vast majority of people who disagree with abortion are Christian.
What I meant by saying not to force your views on me was not to do with common sense law and justice but to do with any form of religious views. People can keep their views about God but don't force them on me or I will argue back and tell them what they can do with their views
Have the antis left Ireland? Its legal in the north and south now.
Why should we ? This is still our Home we have just as much right as anyone else in Ireland to be here
Pro-Life is doublespeak for Anti-Choice
omg doublespeak!!
The Church is all about trying to force people to live a certain way whether they want to or not
That's right, *anti* the choice of whether you would like to kill another human being because their existence is inconvenient for you.
Pro Choice is double speak for legalized infanticide.
It's not a human being mate, it's a bunch of undeveloped cells that is unconscious and unfeeling :-)
Ireland has voted overwhelmingly to repeal
Goodbye Ireland!! (I won't miss you!!)
You don't say!
I'm getting sick of all the biased coverage from foreign -especially ENGLISH- news outlets on the referendum, pushing so desperately to further their own political agenda. What ever happened to quality journalism...? RIP circa 2000 I suppose, with the rise of the internet.
In any case, we'll see what tomorrow brings. Hope the next generation actually gets to see the result...
its because deviants are in the main stream pushing every twisted ideology
In Ireland quality journalism died with Veronica Guerin rest in peace murdered for standing for truth and justice
Good work Ireland! Like I always say... *_"If you are against abortion - Don't have one!"_*
"Like I always say... "If you are against abortion - Don't have one!"
In other words if you're against murder, don't murder anyone. Leave it to those of us who aren't and keep your nose out.
Can't see that playing well with the judge.
That is not what people who were adopted rather than aborted say though.
@@wordforever117 The ones who were aborted don't care since they don't have the ability to care in the first place. Pathetic argument.
@@bonvoyage4212 That is your justification for killing people??? It is alright because they don't care? It is alright if they don't know it is happening?? Seriously???
Thanks for this, very interesting watch!
Impressive , quality interviews and documentary. Thank you.
(undecided)
It's (just a little bit...) to late, isn't it?
But anyway, how have you ended up voting and looking back, what do you think about it?
Which century is this?
Voting 'No' wouldn't mean that women would stop getting abortions, it meant that they'd do it dangerously. Voting 'Yes' meant that women can now have SAFE abortions in their own country. You made the right decision Ireland.
♡ Lolita Del Rey ♡ Agree
Why is the majority of this film giving time to an old man, I can't see what valid opinions or experience he has on making decisions about growing a person in your womb.
I am morally against abortion in all circumstances, however i respect the right of women to choose in regard to their own bodies. To me, it is murder, however i am not the one who has to be make the decision or live with the consequences. The practical result of blocking abortion is that unloved children enter society, and women move towards back-street abortions.
However, if you are an Irish tax payer, you will have to pay your share for her free "healthcare" abortion!!
dlougha That is the foundation of a modern state. We only have civilisation because of taxation being used to develop infrastructure and people agreeing to cooperate on issues, even when they potentially disagree. I'm also an English taxpayer, so I already pay towards something which I disagree with.
If you are a tax-payer you also have to pay for the treatment of drunkards and children abused by priests. Live with it.
@Pieter, there is a big difference between tax payers money going to help treat children and money going to kill children as in the case of abortion!!
dlougha Dangerous abortions still happen you absolute spa. People still travel to England too! So why are we not allowing them to undergo this in a safe and secure matter?
Abortion will still happen whether it’s legal or not.. surely it’s better that women who are making such a difficult decision in terminating their pregnancy are safer and in a more stable place emotionally as opposed to having to travel far from home or worse - get a dangerous, illegal abortion from an under-qualified individual.
To carry out a pregnancy to full term, and give birth, only to give a child away to an already overwhelmed care system is frankly a shocking thing to ask from a woman who may have never intended to bare a child in the first place.
Sarah W Then those women who get it illegally will die or get diseases. I'm fine with this since abortion is a satanic evil act and these women who get it are therefore evil, satanic and maybe demon possessed as well.
Right Winger Oh, yeah. The only satanic, evil person here is you, who seem hopeful that people who get abortions will die and get diseases. Who knows - perhaps you're possessed by the devil.
Right Winger You start your post with question marks - why? You called all females who get abortions evil, satanic and possibly possessed, and I just pointed out that the truly evil and satanic arguments were your own. There are plenty of examples of animals killing their young, both their own and others. And of course these are offspring who have already been born, which I agree, WOULD be murder in a human context. You can't "kill" someone who hasn't been born.
raphael44ify Your argument is dumb that's why I put question marks. Also I know many animals kill their young, but many don't such as Cheetah's and Polar Bear's. Most abortions my friend are just evil. Is it ok if a mother kills her son because she prefers girls to boys, or vise versa? Because that happened million's of times. Also your last point is wrong you can kill anything that is alive. And God orders us to not kill. (thou shalt not kill). Even if you wanna be pro choice you have to realize most of these abortions are just evil. Healthy women aborting healthy babies.
Right Winger "Your argument is dumb"?!? Says the guy who thinks that everyone who's ever had an abortion is a devil-worshiper! I find it difficult to debate with someone who genuinely believes that. You also changed your argument. When you started, you implied ALL abortions were evil, now you say MOST.
You said such women were worse than animals, then you qualified that.
No, I don't agree with abortions based on gender selection. That's wrong. I also don't agree with abortions over 20 weeks because the foetus's brain is developed enough by then to be able to feel pain. Its nervous system is also developed enough. Foetuses over 24 weeks are viable and can live on their own, with a lot of help. Unless it's absolutely a matter of life or death for the mother, I think these very late abortions are hideous. But I believe less than 0.1% take place after this point anyway.
Some people aren't religious, so Biblical arguments aren't relevant. I call a living being someone who lives, breathes and exists on their own. Sure, a foetus is living, but then so is a virus. (NOTE - I AM *NOT* COMPARING A FOETUS TO A VIRUS!) I'm sorry, but if you rely on someone else's body to stay alive, then your rights are limited and certainly secondary to your host. If I had to have your liver to stay alive and you refused, you'd be within your rights, would you not, even if it resulted in my death?
This isnt the Limerick I know and love, it isnt the conservative, priest ridden, city protrayed in this video. The Catholic Church no longer holds sway.
@sulfier bloodline You know "liberalism" literally means "freedom".
How many homeless people dying on the streets? Do they stop caring once the baby is born?
Not really a personal choice if it involves killing, is it?
W.A. Szarkow. Good thing you can’t really kill what is essentially a non-sentient parasite.
Pedro Gomez. Comatose people count as well?
W.A. Szarkow. yes? This is why the choice to disconnect them is put on the hands on the family since they can’t choose.
Pedro Gomez. If I went on a rampage, killing every senile, you'd say it's my personal choice then?
W.A. Szarkow. you people’s false equivalencies just keep getting more absurd
the choice was earlier
Thank god for the Yes decision.
Something tells me it has not got a lot to do with God!
Answer me honestly on this, how quickly do you think abortion would become legal in Northern Ireland if it was the men who risked getting pregnant each time they had sex? If that was the case, they would have discovered abortion techniques thousands of years ago and have a high-end, free and mobile abortion service for all men of any age and 24/7 and 365 days of the year.
Men should not be the ones holding the majority decision if women can or cannot have abortions. It's too savage and too ignorant. It's like living in the dark ages of religious thinking and dominance. This has to end and slowly is. Like Monarchs in Europe have lost political influence, and rightly so, religion still commonly has too much input on laws and given it's clear prejudice and vile history and lack of any apology for it, religion certainly has no right to a monopoly on ethics let alone an influence in Irelands abortion rights and laws
It will come. Clearly abortion will be legal in NI sooner or later and when it does it will just be the evolution of decency and the death cries of male and religious archaic thinking
directtalk1 Look at you, standing up for all women. Well, except for the ones in the womb
Look at you, trying to sound intelligent but think male majority voting should decide for women if abortion is legal
Those pesky Suffragettes.!
Ahhh, you'll learn one day, hopefully. They're called books.!
directtalk1 Not for women, for babies.
The suffragettes would never support abortion, where did you get that idea?
Currently women do not reflect an equal vote with men. You recall the suffragettes fought for women to vote?
Men should have no say on abortion rights, let alone the majority say. Some parts of the world clearly still live in ignorance, darkness and savagery under the rule of religion. Northern Ireland is one of those places still suffering from the effects of religious rule. Some people want us to remain in the dark ages, and under the control of men, but women will get an equal or majority vote. It will happen. Abortion will be legal in Northern Ireland. You cannot stop the change and evolution of matter and thought
What is it of your right to decide how others shall live. Provided your life isn’t affected by others’ decisions, then it shouldn’t be enshrined by law. How is it fair that your interpretation of the catholic faith, or any Christian denomination, or any religious belief, is somehow more valued than others’ or lack there of? You wouldn’t like it if people with different interpretations made their views law, and stopped you from doing what you belief? If you’re against abortion, don’t have an abortion yourself, plain and simple - don’t stop others from it.
Ireland wasn't a Republic until 1949 (it was still a Free State in 1937). De Valera wasn't the first leader of an independent Ireland - that was William T Cosgrave.
If I were Irish I would vote NO
thankfully you're not
nhojj084eve Hopefully you're not.
I am
Cry me a river
nhoj084eva Agree
I'm voting NO - the proposed bill is too broad allowing unrestricted abortion up to 12 weeks, which will allow abortion on demand. In my most liberal mind, abortion should only take place with medical justification. If the 8th is repealed, it will remove the only right of the most vulnerable in the society - unborn children - and will change the value the Irish society places on sex and life, respect for the life of the unborn and the woman (any decent man will not cause a woman to become pregnant without standing up for her, should she become pregnant). There is a law (Pregnancy Act of 2013) in place to allow for termination due to medical reason. However I acknowledge there should be more compassion given to the cases of fatal fetal abnormality (FFA) - but not to the extent allowing abortion on demand. A life is a life - no matter at what stage it is. What we should ask from the powers that be, is to change the proposed broad bill to cover only hard cases, and to legislate for a law covering FFA.
Oliver...a bunch of cells? Have u seen an ultrasound of a woman's womb when she is pregnant, mate?
Stand up for the dignity of the human child. Vote NO.
Too bad I voted yes and abortion became legal
I’m watching this after the results of the voting and now abortion is legalized. I’m glad it is. But it is interesting to see the other side
Abortion should not be a religious issue
Banning abortion causes far more, long lived, far reaching problems than it solves. The mother is the parasitic foetus's most direct next of kin, her womb, a life support machine directly attached to the foetus. The guilt trip pushed by pro-life zealots does much psychological damage too.
It’s not just religious people who are against abortion but the media always portrays it like only Catholics are against it. A religious country cannot then legalise Sin, at least deal with it case by case. The country’s Law for millions shouldn’t be rewritten for 300 people.
the law didn't give equal rights to mum and fetus. it gave priority to fetus. mother absolutely needs final say. and legal doesn't mean moral. separation of church and state. there is still plenty opportunity for the church to convince young women to carry to term. but most religious people don't care about that far along.
Women say they want more control in their body, but so does the baby your taking a life from. Pro choice? That baby doesn't have a choice. Just don't have sex if you don't want a baby. How could someone literally kill a vulnerable living thing? Just send it to adoption, please, don't take their life! It doesn't matter if the life is bad. At least they will have one. Also, give them that good life, your in control of it! Why can't anyone deal with the consequence of sex? Babies are the consequence, and people try to dodge it.
Bless these people
Yes, let's hope they can get the scientific education they've obviously been deprived of.
@@matthewking5612 So that your parents could decide to stop you from being born? ok lol
@@shuklapra1eek Well they obviously didn't, and if they had I simply wouldn't be here.