My Dad was a young bombardier on Forts with the 15th AAF. Thank God he came home, wounded but alive. I can not even begin to imagine what he lived through. ❤
David Zelden , I personally knew one. His story was graphic. He was a ball turret machine gunner whose plane was pretty badly shot up, but somehow returned, with only minor injuries to some of the crew. This was Mission 15 for him. He survived his full assignment of 25 such B-17 bombing missions. What a patriot!
@@ObltKG4 Dresden for starters, or the POW death camps after the wars end. But keep believing the good guys won and everything the allies did was above board, goyim.
@@ObltKG4 I can't see the original comment, so I'll just say that we, the US and British, killed over 400k civilians, often targeting residential areas of cities. Our destruction of the concentration camp supply routes near the end of the war are the main reason for the ghastly images and video from those camps where in reality, about 300k people toral died from typhus and other diseases, as food and de-lousing agents ran out. The narrative of millions of deaths is total fiction. We had a policy of shooting anything on the ground that moved, as well. Also, the German leadership did everything reasonable to prevent a large-scale war. We are all taught a feel-good myth version of ww2 history.
The fact that we are living in a world where a 20 year old does NOT have to fight in a war, is testament to the fact that we created a better, more peaceful world than the one that saw the carnage of two world wars.
Absolutely amazing footage .. These B17 & B24 Liberator aircrew where the Bravest of the brave flying unescorted daylight missions over Europe... 30 degrees below freezing and no heating in these planes...... These guys where in the firing line far far away from home they could have stayed in the states working on the farm or working in a factory but they chose the USAAF .. I salute every single one of you guys.. Everyone here in the UK ows you a debt of gratitude.. So many young airman lost in the prime of their lives.... God blees you all you will never be forgotten guys 🇺🇲🇺🇲
My father was a navigator on a B-24 in 1944. He told me what the crews before him had was almost impossible to imagine. Basically you flew missions unitl you were shot down. Watching that B 17 out of control at the end is just numbing to me. Almost impossible to escape with the g forces on that craft. My father told me feared the plane being hit and a fire erupting and smoke would make it impossible to escape. Interestingly he seldom spoke much on anything, but he did discuss the war in detail. Odlly enough most of my peers growing up with ww 2 fathers were hesistant to discuss most details or specifics....some discussed a bit but mostly silent. TOTAL RESPECT, ADMIRATION .............to the GREATEST GENERATION. From a son, nephew, neighbor, friend to those men.
Actually, all of the footage from this video was silent film stock shot by members of the Army Air Forces' First Motion Picture Unit, under the direction of LT COL William Wyler, the famous Hollywood director, who flew with various aircrews of the 8th Bomber Command''s 91st Bomb Group, the "Ragged Irregulars", in a series of five different bombing missions over France and Germany in early 1943. Nearing the ending of their filming, it was decided by Bomber Command to honor one of the very first crews to survive their tour of the 25 mission limit imposed by the 8th Bomber Command, with an eventual return of the entire crew with the Fortress to the U.S.. Some of the final filming was of the final mission of that plane, the "Memphis Belle." When the crewmembers returned to the U.S. later in 1943 on a country-wide War Bond tour, upon their arrival in Los Angeles the crewmembers were touring a Hollywood movie studio and were asked by members of the Army's First Motion Picture Unit to 'dub' in a scripted verbal interchange between crewmembers during the harrowing fighter attacks in the mission for the film edit. In addition, the other sound effects(engine sounds, machine guns) were then added by Hollywood sound engineers. In 1944, the U.S. War Dept. authorized an edited public theatrical release of the completed feature film, which came to be known as the iconic original "Memphis Belle" film.
En las filmaciones trabajo tambien el actor Errol Flynn..en la propia guerra..los aviones eran solo lata sin forro ni nada mas ,el frio ,la altura ,con ventana abierta para la ametralladora..jovenes con temple de acero..en una guerra no hay vencedores..
Thanks for that additional info. I thought the crew sounded super calm in what must have been a terribly frightening period of intense activity. Perhaps they were that cool. And yet only very young men. God bless them all.
@@tomsoyer5639Yeah because a parachute would be insanely helpful on an airliner. Do you think that in a crash, you would be able to move into the exit, open the door (Which I can assure you, with that pressure difference you can't) and jump out? With hundreds of other people?
The comments on here are unbelievable.....Remember, you are watching young men - average age 19 - DYING! US, German, doesn't make much difference now in 2015. This was real life and death when it happened. Families devastated, marriages destroyed, children bereaved. Have some RESPECT.
No argument there Carambasjokk! Mossad did 9/11 for the Yanks as an excuse to fuck up the Middle East even more than it ever has been while making VAST amounts of profit. 9/11 led directly to Syria NOW.
The calmness that they speak with is just incredible,not one sense of panicking, you'd think they were talking about last night's ballgame,a rare bunch of people.incredible stuff.
Man das ist nachvertont du Amipfeife, da hatten alle die Hose voll, ihr Amis als auch wir Krauts, da war keiner so gelassen und hat gesprochen wie eine Durchsage am Bahnhof...
@@ToreDL87 If the hydraulics were still working and the gunner had time to realign his dome for the exit procedure, he definitely had time to reach for a parachute and bail.
Aircrew over Germany lost more men than the Marines in the Pacific. Equally devastating losses in Britain's Bomber Command, too... and a lot of them didn't even see it coming.
The English coast.....it doesn't seem much now, but in a few hours, when you come back , if you come back, this will be the most beautiful sight you will ever see.
Watching a few British ones of bomber operations, as well as a few Pacific combat recordings, much of the talk was rather calm. The only excitement was when they shot someone down or some serious insane trouble goes down (ie: Jap torpedo plane gets through the CAP and lines up to drop its ordinance on a US carrier or other important vessel). Combat recordings from Vietnam also demonstrate a fair air of calmness to them--the Top Gun: The Real Story Documentary demonstrates this, as well as how the occasional combat junkie with an overly gun-ho attitude can disrupt communications and make it harder for the unit to coordinate and cover each other.
What an absolutely INCREDIBLE ordeal these young men were placed in ...that's real images...think about that . That Massive aircraft- falling out of the sky like a poorly made paper airplane. I have read many stories of crew members becoming stuck within against the wall by centrifugal force , and seeing some shots here I can imagine now . This was terrifying to say the least and it carried on for hours at a time....and if you somehow withstood the sight of good friends dying impossibly violent deaths everywhere you looked, and through racetrack odds weren't hit by giant bullets..shot from packs of swift fighter planes about the same as any swarm of bees you've witnessed . And haven't froze . Or silently strangled of breath suddenly....if you got through that...well you would be woken up at 3 am the next day to do it all again ..... Incredible.
The German fighters would come in from underneath the British Bombers and fire a cannon up into the bomb bay causing the plane to explode. The British had earlier removed the belly guns as it was considered they add to much drag to the bomber. The brits didn't know what was causing the losses and when they found out kept it from the bomber crews. As most of these bombers whilst hit exploded underneath the main bomber formation andthey were told that the sighted explosions were not bombers exploding but Scarecrow shells being fired by the Flak Guns to effect morale.
Truer words... except bombers rarely flew two days in a row, needing time to repair, refit, reload, replace casualties or aircraft, recon would access damage and then plan the next missions, and since these were usually day missions composed of sometimes hundreds of bombers, they didn't take off before dawn for obvious reasons, so the aircrews wouldn't be up at 0300 HRS, but the ground crews on night check would be! Point well taken none the less.
As a youth I was shocked to realize that the plane's fuselage offered no protection whatsoever. Very sobering. Sad to think about putting our nation's youth in such violent and deadly circumstances.
My cousin (who died before I was even born) was a B-17 pilot in the 305th Bomber Group. He died from a 20mm cannon shell in the chest in January 1943 over Lille, France.
Remember those young Germans who were fighting Americans wore the uniform of the luftwaffe which made them members of the German military of the Third Riech of Nazi Germany and as such they were required by German law to take the oath of allegiance to Adolf Hitler on a personal level which made them responsible for Hitler's policies ....yes I know most of the leaders of the German army secretly opposed Hitler but they are still tied to that oath of allegiance
@@michaelmcclellan6944 is it like they had a choice? Sick, old, young, everyone got drafted in germany. Id go as far as to say most of those german pilots resented being in the planes. People in america are sworn to tell the truth and only the truth in court, but they still lie, so why couldn't a German soldier be seen as something other than a monster. Those young men gave their lives, their wives, children, homes, mothers, everything up for the call of duty. The enemy may have a different way of life, but were all human
@@thatoneguy5205 They actually did. Conscription only works on a population interested in their war goals. When enough of them aren't, then either the war ends a lot earlier and/or units just start sucking. There's plenty of examples of failed conscription/drafting, america's vietnam war being a recent one. In ww1 canada many joined non-combatant units and some politcal fallout of the government ensued...when only 125000 were managed to be conscripted. In 1812, entire states in the USA refused to abide by the congressional order to supply militia against Canada.
They were on oxygen but no goggles. Temp at 28,000 ft is -50 below zero and they had to keep their skin covered with the goggles. This footage was partly real , partly staged.
If you've ever hear the voices of real B-17 crew members under actual attack, I can assure you it sounds nothing like a few actors reading script in a recording studio ....which is what this is
Well for some measurement, you can hear an RAF bomber crew that was recorded by the BBC during a mission. It’s on RUclips. They are pretty cool, calm and collected. And it’s genuine.
@@muttley8818 Thanks. I'll give it a listen. These were brave, brave men. I had an uncle who completed 35 missions as a B-17 pilot. He was my favorite uncle whom I adored and idolized growing up and I desperately tried to coax him to tell me about his war experiences, but for some reason he always avoided the subject. I now understand why
@@robpelick7460 I'm not so sure on the scripted thing. I'm not in the military and I claim to be no expert or person of significance at all, but to my ear, I firmly believe that even if this was scripted, this is exactly how they would talk. After a while of working with a team, you get a kind of feel for them. They operate as one, using communication that works for them. They each do their part, entrusting the men around them to do theirs, because there wasn't any point in being distrustful. They wanted to get home just as much as the next guy. And After sitting here for nearly an hour, the thought occurs to me, after a while don't you get numb to war? At some point you just engage the focus on getting back alive. No room for panic. No room for fear. Just get it done. I hear that in the way these guys talk. In Hollywood movies there's always screams, yelling, back and forth, y'know, SOMETHING. Because those who haven't been through it can't comprehend the reality of staying calm when every aspect of the situation you are in is trying to kill you. Like I said, I'm nobody, my opinion means nothing. The men who flew these aircraft meant something.
At least the Infrantry could get down a hole or in the grass.. These guys are surrounded by freezing alloy.. nowhere at all to hide...sitting ducks....Brave as hell.
If you think what a 20mm round can do to an human body, I read about the "cleaning" squads that had to clean the aircrafts after every mission, very nightmarish. P.s. do you know that a young Walter Matthau was a waist gunner on a B24? It was perhaps the most exposed position in a bomber.
These are 18 - 21yrs old some in their mind 20's and some that lied whom were 17yrs old.... Incredible, God like strength compared to our 18yrs of today. And let's us not forget the Red Cross Nurses at the time.
Yeah. An other possibility is that vital control cables to the ailerons could have been cut or damaged in some way, possibly causing uncommanded roll and loss of control of the aircraft.
I'm not so sure. I initially thought that, but planes are like boats and cars in that once trimmed to fly straight and level they tend to stay that way. I reckon elevator control was lost.
I'd like to think so but in our multicultural society there doesn't seem to be much of an allegiance to the collective anymore. No common identity among people, no basis for empathy. Instead we have individualism and all of its narcissistic traits. Unsurprisingly, self interest and vanity prevail.
Junkers What an astute comment. I agree completely. It's where idealism and politics have been able to get through unchecked and unaccounted to make such profound social change.
I worked with a old guy who was a B-17 Pilot in the 8th Air Force . One day he brought in a stack of photos from 2 of his bombing missions . He said they obviously didn't have time to be taking pictures while they were on a bombing run and being attacked by fighters so he stole a couple rolls of film the Army put in the Airplane . He said one time the target was covered by clouds or fog I can't remember, but after the second pass they still couldn't get a clear view of the target but they did see some RR tracks and followed them and they went into a town in the mountain area of Romania I think and he said since it was enemy territory they just dropped them there and he said the poor bastards probably didn't even know a war was going on until then . He said that is the only mission that bothers him . His stories about arguing with the American Fighter pilots about them having to check a bomber out if the Pilot decided his plane was too badly damaged to make it home they would go to Switzerland and finish out the war as kind of prisoners of the Swiss staying in a nice hotel and treated well . Fighters were ordered to shoot down U.S. bombers if they refused to turn back if there was not a lot of damage . He also said Jimmy Stewart was a disliked asshole.
Gotta give these peeps props. This was the greatest generation, unfortunately GenX and the millennial generation seem to be the worst generation in modern US history. They unfortunatley are the punkass generation.😫
This Messerschmitt Me - 109 G6 seems to be missing its wing canon, but it is using its nose - mounted MGs and propeller - mounted canon to devastating effect against the American "Viermotoren" and their single - engined escorts to devastating effect. WUNDERBAR! 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻🔥🔥🔥👌👌👌
These after all were just people like you and I but at the same time they were a different kind. Their home lives were not glamorous as they grew up during the depression. Then drafted or volunteered to fight against the world's greatest militaries ever known.
Did they have some guys do narrative voices while editing the footage? The composure in their voices do not seem realistically coherent with the situation. Fire a machine gun while speaking and it will viberate your chest, your words will show this in its tune as you speak, among other obvious realism deficiencies I noticed aswell in the narrations so I have to ask.
This footage is not from the BBC, it is from the movie Memphis Belle which is all real footage currently stored in the National Archives. It may have been presented by BBC but it is fair game footage, there were two cameramen on B17s to capture the footage, one went down with a plane and the other survived all 25 missions the Memphis Belle accomplished. Willie Wyler is the cameraman aboard the Memphis Belle.
I know the audio is dubbed, but I can’t imagine being calm and communicating clearly under pressure. I’m sure it comes with experience but I wonder how many of guys were losing their shit on the radio during their first mission
It must have felt pretty helpless for these guys when they had no fighter cover until later in the war. It's probably why we lost over 850 during WWII alone.
the concept of aerial combat is just insane. You're flying through the air in a screaming metal death trap all the while firing machine guns at some other poor sap while trying to evade counterfire.
Great book if you're interested."Boys at War, Men at Peace" Belly gunner in crash landing imprisoned returns to Germany to meet the fighter pilot that shot them down. Plus great history of the real Stalag 17. by E.D. McKenzie
I think the intercom voices were redone post production based on words said, hence it sounds a bit flat. Hey its Hollywood at end of day making it for cinema newsreels.
@@marknorris1381 Me262 didn't see much service however, and didn't shoot many bombers down. 500 total sounds like a lot, but planes like the P-51 are recorded to have shot down 14,000 planes
Wrong it's one and the same, technically the earlier versions would have to be called Bf Me 109, because they were called Me 109 but at some point Messerschmitt became part of the Bayrische Flugzeugwerke and all versions were "owned" by them. In the war, they were used interchangeably, even in german documents anyway, and imvho making a difference between the two is kind of stupid anyways.
Janice Parsons believe it or not. Not too many. The guns were used for attack planes/ fighter planes. Although a 50 bmg would rip through a b17 fuselage easy it was rare for friendly fire to actually cause a plane to crash do to bombing formations.
Military cameramen are the most underrated people in war history
My Dad was a young bombardier on Forts with the 15th AAF. Thank God he came home, wounded but alive. I can not even begin to imagine what he lived through. ❤
Remember most the courage of these airmen who performed daily under conditions most can't comprehend.
David Zelden , I personally knew one. His story was graphic. He was a ball turret machine gunner whose plane was pretty badly shot up, but somehow returned, with only minor injuries to some of the crew. This was Mission 15 for him. He survived his full assignment of 25 such B-17 bombing missions. What a patriot!
@@BikingVikingHH war crimes? Elaborate
@@ObltKG4 Dresden for starters, or the POW death camps after the wars end. But keep believing the good guys won and everything the allies did was above board, goyim.
@@ObltKG4 Trolls are best ignored
@@ObltKG4 I can't see the original comment, so I'll just say that we, the US and British, killed over 400k civilians, often targeting residential areas of cities. Our destruction of the concentration camp supply routes near the end of the war are the main reason for the ghastly images and video from those camps where in reality, about 300k people toral died from typhus and other diseases, as food and de-lousing agents ran out. The narrative of millions of deaths is total fiction. We had a policy of shooting anything on the ground that moved, as well. Also, the German leadership did everything reasonable to prevent a large-scale war. We are all taught a feel-good myth version of ww2 history.
Don’t forget that the temperature at altitude was -40 to -60 degrees Fahrenheit on 10 hour missions. Incredible bravery AND determination!
And the entire airplane was completely open and was not pressurized.
im 22 and sitting in front of my computer today while these guy in their early 20s doing this, crazy. respect to the worlds best generation
The fact that we are living in a world where a 20 year old does NOT have to fight in a war, is testament to the fact that we created a better, more peaceful world than the one that saw the carnage of two world wars.
Absolutely amazing footage .. These B17 & B24 Liberator aircrew where the Bravest of the brave flying unescorted daylight missions over Europe... 30 degrees below freezing and no heating in these planes...... These guys where in the firing line far far away from home they could have stayed in the states working on the farm or working in a factory but they chose the USAAF .. I salute every single one of you guys.. Everyone here in the UK ows you a debt of gratitude.. So many young airman lost in the prime of their lives.... God blees you all you will never be forgotten guys 🇺🇲🇺🇲
And the USA and the rest of the civilised world owes them a debt of gratitude and to the other allied air forces
Да, бедняги. Отдуваются за политику " Умиротворения" , за Мюнхен. И зачем англосаксы заставили Гинденбурга выбрать художника Гитлера?
My father was a navigator on a B-24 in 1944. He told me what the crews before him had was almost impossible to imagine. Basically you flew missions unitl you were shot down. Watching that B 17 out of control at the end is just numbing to me. Almost impossible to escape with the g forces on that craft. My father told me feared the plane being hit and a fire erupting and smoke would make it impossible to escape. Interestingly he seldom spoke much on anything, but he did discuss the war in detail. Odlly enough most of my peers growing up with ww 2 fathers were hesistant to discuss most details or specifics....some discussed a bit but mostly silent. TOTAL RESPECT, ADMIRATION .............to the GREATEST GENERATION. From a son, nephew, neighbor, friend to those men.
Не обсуждали. Это не странно. Чтобы развязать такую же бойню, надо чтобы все забыли о прошлом. Политика руководства государств.
Very humbling footage.
Actually, all of the footage from this video was silent film stock shot by members of the Army Air Forces' First Motion Picture Unit, under the direction of LT COL William Wyler, the famous Hollywood director, who flew with various aircrews of the 8th Bomber Command''s 91st Bomb Group, the "Ragged Irregulars", in a series of five different bombing missions over France and Germany in early 1943. Nearing the ending of their filming, it was decided by Bomber Command to honor one of the very first crews to survive their tour of the 25 mission limit imposed by the 8th Bomber Command, with an eventual return of the entire crew with the Fortress to the U.S.. Some of the final filming was of the final mission of that plane, the "Memphis Belle." When the crewmembers returned to the U.S. later in 1943 on a country-wide War Bond tour, upon their arrival in Los Angeles the crewmembers were touring a Hollywood movie studio and were asked by members of the Army's First Motion Picture Unit to 'dub' in a scripted verbal interchange between crewmembers during the harrowing fighter attacks in the mission for the film edit. In addition, the other sound effects(engine sounds, machine guns) were then added by Hollywood sound engineers. In 1944, the U.S. War Dept. authorized an edited public theatrical release of the completed feature film, which came to be known as the iconic original "Memphis Belle" film.
En las filmaciones trabajo tambien el actor Errol Flynn..en la propia guerra..los aviones eran solo lata sin forro ni nada mas ,el frio ,la altura ,con ventana abierta para la ametralladora..jovenes con temple de acero..en una guerra no hay vencedores..
Thanks for that additional info. I thought the crew sounded super calm in what must have been a terribly frightening period of intense activity. Perhaps they were that cool. And yet only very young men. God bless them all.
This recording also lacks the telltale nasal sound you get from the throat mics they used.
When I fly in a passenger plane equipped with all safety devices I still feel afraid .
These guys are crazy brave
They have parachutes. When i want to fly a passenger plane with a parachute on i can't get on the plane, so i won't.
@@tomsoyer5639you’re not being shot at either.
@@patricksmith5282 someone shooting at you is being brave?
conscripts. you can quit.
@@tomsoyer5639Yeah because a parachute would be insanely helpful on an airliner.
Do you think that in a crash, you would be able to move into the exit, open the door (Which I can assure you, with that pressure difference you can't) and jump out? With hundreds of other people?
The comments on here are unbelievable.....Remember, you are watching young men - average age 19 - DYING! US, German, doesn't make much difference now in 2015. This was real life and death when it happened. Families devastated, marriages destroyed, children bereaved. Have some RESPECT.
There are only 11 comments on this video most of them talking about the airplane and the rest is just talking about what specific airplanes where used
Stewart Nicol as BILLY CONNOLLY Well said.
No argument there Carambasjokk! Mossad did 9/11 for the Yanks as an excuse to fuck up the Middle East even more than it ever has been while making VAST amounts of profit. 9/11 led directly to Syria NOW.
+Stewart Nicol as BILLY CONNOLLY There's literally no one being disrespectful....
Stewart Nicol as BILLY CONNOLLY so true
The calmness that they speak with is just incredible,not one sense of panicking, you'd think they were talking about last night's ballgame,a rare bunch of people.incredible stuff.
True that as fuck man , i only play Apex legends and i forgot to breath and cant speak when its my turn
Man das ist nachvertont du Amipfeife, da hatten alle die Hose voll, ihr Amis als auch wir Krauts, da war keiner so gelassen und hat gesprochen wie eine Durchsage am Bahnhof...
It’s dubbed
Yeah the original film is silent. They were probably screaming like all hell
The pilot who appears at the beginning of the video wearing helmet is Captain Robert K. Morgan of the Memphis Belle on his last mission of 25. :)
My wife's dad was a Turret belly gunner, he survived over 37 missions and was shot out of the turret once, landing in occupied territory.
Belly Turret gunners didn't have parachutes, too cramped for that.
@@ToreDL87 If the hydraulics were still working and the gunner had time to realign his dome for the exit procedure, he definitely had time to reach for a parachute and bail.
I'm an infantryman and all I could say is that these guys are fucking brave
very brave and very fucking cold i should think 40 below 0 or worse
I think the assessment was that one single mission was the equivalent to a major land battle.
Aircrew over Germany lost more men than the Marines in the Pacific. Equally devastating losses in Britain's Bomber Command, too... and a lot of them didn't even see it coming.
That was excellent footage. Crew appeared very calm and professional. Impressive.
The English coast.....it doesn't seem much now, but in a few hours, when you come back , if you come back, this will be the most beautiful sight you will ever see.
Steven Charles love that
The white cliffs of Dover !
amazed at how relaxed they sounded.
that is good training if you panic you will for sure die or endanger others It takes a strong individual to do this job
Brave individuals
Andy Clough i think the sound was edited on after by actors
Watching a few British ones of bomber operations, as well as a few Pacific combat recordings, much of the talk was rather calm. The only excitement was when they shot someone down or some serious insane trouble goes down (ie: Jap torpedo plane gets through the CAP and lines up to drop its ordinance on a US carrier or other important vessel).
Combat recordings from Vietnam also demonstrate a fair air of calmness to them--the Top Gun: The Real Story Documentary demonstrates this, as well as how the occasional combat junkie with an overly gun-ho attitude can disrupt communications and make it harder for the unit to coordinate and cover each other.
AC they sound calm because it's not real, duh.
What an absolutely INCREDIBLE ordeal these young men were placed in ...that's real images...think about that .
That Massive aircraft- falling out of the sky like a poorly made paper airplane. I have read many stories of crew members becoming stuck within against the wall by centrifugal force , and seeing some shots here I can imagine now .
This was terrifying to say the least and it carried on for hours at a time....and if you somehow withstood the sight of good friends dying impossibly violent deaths everywhere you looked, and through racetrack odds weren't hit by giant bullets..shot from packs of swift fighter planes about the same as any swarm of bees you've witnessed . And haven't froze . Or silently strangled of breath suddenly....if you got through that...well you would be woken up at 3 am the next day to do it all again .....
Incredible.
Beautiful yet frightening comment !
The German fighters would come in from underneath the British Bombers and fire a cannon up into the bomb bay causing the plane to explode. The British had earlier removed the belly guns as it was considered they add to much drag to the bomber. The brits didn't know what was causing the losses and when they found out kept it from the bomber crews. As most of these bombers whilst hit exploded underneath the main bomber formation andthey were told that the sighted explosions were not bombers exploding but Scarecrow shells being fired by the Flak Guns to effect morale.
Truer words... except bombers rarely flew two days in a row, needing time to repair, refit, reload, replace casualties or aircraft, recon would access damage and then plan the next missions, and since these were usually day missions composed of sometimes hundreds of bombers, they didn't take off before dawn for obvious reasons, so the aircrews wouldn't be up at 0300 HRS, but the ground crews on night check would be! Point well taken none the less.
how much braver the pilots of 109 are - they could have faked an attack, but no - they go to their deaths trying to destroy the enemy ...
@@Roman777Kol not braver b17s use too travel without fighter escorts. Thats brave
Bailing out is nearly impossible when a bomber is falling down.
Yılmaz DALKIRAN
NO WHEN IT DIVES AT 300 KNOTS
Выручит их на земле виселица или пуля т.к эти ребята преступники стирали целые города.
Sorry,Have you experience on this subject?
Centrifugal Force
Yılmaz DALKIRAN It ain’t easy.
As a youth I was shocked to realize that the plane's fuselage offered no protection whatsoever. Very sobering. Sad to think about putting our nation's youth in such violent and deadly circumstances.
Die Entscheidungsträger ,mussten ja auch nicht einsteigen. Denen waren die Soldaten völlig egal.Es gab ja genug.
My cousin (who died before I was even born) was a B-17 pilot in the 305th Bomber Group. He died from a 20mm cannon shell in the chest in January 1943 over Lille, France.
Damn
That would be absolutely terrifying.
Respect to the Crew on those bombers.
True Heroes on Both Sides!!!
Remember those young Germans who were fighting Americans wore the uniform of the luftwaffe which made them members of the German military of the Third Riech of Nazi Germany and as such they were required by German law to take the oath of allegiance to Adolf Hitler on a personal level which made them responsible for Hitler's policies ....yes I know most of the leaders of the German army secretly opposed Hitler but they are still tied to that oath of allegiance
@@michaelmcclellan6944 they were fighting for they country like the americans fought for theirs, respect to both sides
@@michaelmcclellan6944 is it like they had a choice? Sick, old, young, everyone got drafted in germany. Id go as far as to say most of those german pilots resented being in the planes. People in america are sworn to tell the truth and only the truth in court, but they still lie, so why couldn't a German soldier be seen as something other than a monster. Those young men gave their lives, their wives, children, homes, mothers, everything up for the call of duty. The enemy may have a different way of life, but were all human
@@Helperbot-2000 right, people who truly understand history know that both side were true fighters for the country
@@thatoneguy5205 They actually did. Conscription only works on a population interested in their war goals. When enough of them aren't, then either the war ends a lot earlier and/or units just start sucking. There's plenty of examples of failed conscription/drafting, america's vietnam war being a recent one. In ww1 canada many joined non-combatant units and some politcal fallout of the government ensued...when only 125000 were managed to be conscripted. In 1812, entire states in the USA refused to abide by the congressional order to supply militia against Canada.
They were on oxygen but no goggles. Temp at 28,000 ft is -50 below zero and they had to keep their skin covered with the goggles. This footage was partly real , partly staged.
Yep B-17 crew typically used the B-8 Polaroid goggle, or the British Mk VIII tinted goggle.
@@p4rker780 Never knew Polaroid made goggles, different colored lenses too. Cutting edge for the time!
If you've ever hear the voices of real B-17 crew members under actual attack, I can assure you it sounds nothing like a few actors reading script in a recording studio
....which is what this is
Well for some measurement, you can hear an RAF bomber crew that was recorded by the BBC during a mission. It’s on RUclips. They are pretty cool, calm and collected. And it’s genuine.
Actually, it’s right here for you: ruclips.net/video/MF5_hvE4WEA/видео.html
@@muttley8818 Thanks. I'll give it a listen. These were brave, brave men. I had an uncle who completed 35 missions as a B-17 pilot. He was my favorite uncle whom I adored and idolized growing up and I desperately tried to coax him to tell me about his war experiences, but for some reason he always avoided the subject. I now understand why
@@robpelick7460 I'm not so sure on the scripted thing. I'm not in the military and I claim to be no expert or person of significance at all, but to my ear, I firmly believe that even if this was scripted, this is exactly how they would talk.
After a while of working with a team, you get a kind of feel for them. They operate as one, using communication that works for them. They each do their part, entrusting the men around them to do theirs, because there wasn't any point in being distrustful. They wanted to get home just as much as the next guy.
And After sitting here for nearly an hour, the thought occurs to me, after a while don't you get numb to war? At some point you just engage the focus on getting back alive. No room for panic. No room for fear. Just get it done. I hear that in the way these guys talk. In Hollywood movies there's always screams, yelling, back and forth, y'know, SOMETHING. Because those who haven't been through it can't comprehend the reality of staying calm when every aspect of the situation you are in is trying to kill you.
Like I said, I'm nobody, my opinion means nothing. The men who flew these aircraft meant something.
Everyone talking about the B17's.
But somewhere in Germany there might be a old German pilot who was recorded in this footage and never knew it.
Actually, this B-17 is the Memphis Belle. It is footage from one of her missions.
I didn t know,i would have do the same like this soldiers,you don t have another choise
@Shawn Beal Actually, not it isn't. This footage was shot over several different missions and several different bombers.
His voice is young! Salute for those young men
You won't get out! ...Not when it dives at 300 knots!
~War Thunder
+Arian Sedej ayee! :D
...biggest shit game I ever saw... already waiting for an alternative.
***** we don't really care about your opinion, you self comment upvoter
+Feindkontakt So you had to let everyone know that you don't like it? Newsflash! Noone cares about your opinion,and noone cares about you.
At least the Infrantry could get down a hole or in the grass.. These guys are surrounded by freezing alloy.. nowhere at all to hide...sitting ducks....Brave as hell.
They are called the Greatest Generation, and this helps to explain why. Nothing but honor and admiration for those men and women.
If you think what a 20mm round can do to an human body, I read about the "cleaning" squads that had to clean the aircrafts after every mission, very nightmarish.
P.s. do you know that a young Walter Matthau was a waist gunner on a B24? It was perhaps the most exposed position in a bomber.
Yep recently they found an entire skeletal arm under a pile of 0.50 cal shells on an old overgrown US base in England.
These are 18 - 21yrs old some in their mind 20's and some that lied whom were 17yrs old.... Incredible, God like strength compared to our 18yrs of today.
And let's us not forget the Red Cross Nurses at the time.
My respects for the luftwaffe pilots, they fought like lions until the end!
There brave men were on the wrong side.
I would be willing to bet that that B-17 out of control was because the pilot and or co-pilot were killed.
Didn't see any severe damage.
Yeah. An other possibility is that vital control cables to the ailerons could have been cut or damaged in some way, possibly causing uncommanded roll and loss of control of the aircraft.
Remember they also said the engine was on fire there might be a chance another engine was hit causing it to start spinning out of control
I'm not so sure. I initially thought that, but planes are like boats and cars in that once trimmed to fly straight and level they tend to stay that way. I reckon elevator control was lost.
I'd like to think so but in our multicultural society there doesn't seem
to be much of an allegiance to the collective anymore. No common
identity among people, no basis for empathy. Instead we have individualism and all of its narcissistic traits. Unsurprisingly, self interest and vanity
prevail.
Junkers What an astute comment. I agree completely. It's where idealism and politics have been able to get through unchecked and unaccounted to make such profound social change.
I worked with a old guy who was a B-17 Pilot in the 8th Air Force . One day he brought in a stack of photos from 2 of his bombing missions . He said they obviously didn't have time to be taking pictures while they were on a bombing run and being attacked by fighters so he stole a couple rolls of film the Army put in the Airplane . He said one time the target was covered by clouds or fog I can't remember, but after the second pass they still couldn't get a clear view of the target but they did see some RR tracks and followed them and they went into a town in the mountain area of Romania I think and he said since it was enemy territory they just dropped them there and he said the poor bastards probably didn't even know a war was going on until then . He said that is the only mission that bothers him . His stories about arguing with the American Fighter pilots about them having to check a bomber out if the Pilot decided his plane was too badly damaged to make it home they would go to Switzerland and finish out the war as kind of prisoners of the Swiss staying in a nice hotel and treated well . Fighters were ordered to shoot down U.S. bombers if they refused to turn back if there was not a lot of damage . He also said Jimmy Stewart was a disliked asshole.
Gotta give these peeps props. This was the greatest generation, unfortunately GenX and the millennial generation seem to be the worst generation in modern US history. They unfortunatley are the punkass generation.😫
B17 flight crews had balls of steel. Especially prior to the Mustang.
I read where as many bombers went down due to flak as we're shot down by fighters .
People of European descent killing each other is heresy. I hope and pray that future generations will come to their senses
@RUclips VeterinarianWhat he is trying to say is "FOR THE EPRAH, DIE XENO SCUM".
all people of the world should unite against the semites
German Americans ( Eisenhower, Nimitz etc.) fighting Germans (Rommel, Guderian) in WW2.
This Messerschmitt Me - 109 G6 seems to be missing its wing canon, but it is using its nose - mounted MGs and propeller - mounted canon to devastating effect against the American "Viermotoren" and their single - engined escorts to devastating effect.
WUNDERBAR!
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Yeah real good lol, did you get the memo you lost......bad.
I'm amazed at how calm and professional they remain.
These after all were just people like you and I but at the same time they were a different kind. Their home lives were not glamorous as they grew up during the depression. Then drafted or volunteered to fight against the world's greatest militaries ever known.
Brave lads in the B17's , given that the whole box formation tactic did'nt work.
We owe them an unmeasurable debt !
Yes we do
A lot of bomber crew who bailed out and were captured were thrown in the flames of the burning cities they had just passed over.
Did they have some guys do narrative voices while editing the footage? The composure in their voices do not seem realistically coherent with the situation. Fire a machine gun while speaking and it will viberate your chest, your words will show this in its tune as you speak, among other obvious realism deficiencies I noticed aswell in the narrations so I have to ask.
everyone's really really braved, respected them all.
8th airforce by day and RAF by night....the losses were huge...twice as many by the RAF than the 8th..but they were all brave young men. ❤
I love the noise of the Browning machine gun
They had 3 balls!... salute to each and every one of them! ✈️
This footage is not from the BBC, it is from the movie Memphis Belle which is all real footage currently stored in the National Archives. It may have been presented by BBC but it is fair game footage, there were two cameramen on B17s to capture the footage, one went down with a plane and the other survived all 25 missions the Memphis Belle accomplished. Willie Wyler is the cameraman aboard the Memphis Belle.
The footage is filmed during a wartime mission.The soundtrack is dubbed.
I know the audio is dubbed, but I can’t imagine being calm and communicating clearly under pressure. I’m sure it comes with experience but I wonder how many of guys were losing their shit on the radio during their first mission
This Is from the Memphis belle documentary you can watch It on Netflix its so cool
salute to these airmen
What was the SOP for US bomber crew machine gunners to not hit their fellow group members in the heat of battle? One would think it happened a lot.
1000 german planes around the clock and the ,,,mighty 8 ,, was gone.. galland need this but göring was a fool.
The state the country’s in now was it worth it
It must have felt pretty helpless for these guys when they had no fighter cover until later in the war. It's probably why we lost over 850 during WWII alone.
The accents of early 20th century Americans is very northeastern or Jersey like. Kind of Kennedy like. I’m wondering where that cane from.
Jesus Christ these guys are so calm they sound they are talking about the weather.
Unreal courage…and they talk so nonchalantly
the concept of aerial combat is just insane. You're flying through the air in a screaming metal death trap all the while firing machine guns at some other poor sap while trying to evade counterfire.
That’s got to be the scariest thing having those German planes shooting at you
Those German Bf 109 fighters were armed with 20mm cannons.
Omg...watching that bomber spiraling down and those men inside trying to get out
how much braver the pilots of 109 are - they could have faked an attack, but no - they go to their deaths trying to destroy the enemy ...
Great book if you're interested."Boys at War, Men at Peace" Belly gunner in crash landing imprisoned returns to Germany to meet the fighter pilot that shot them down. Plus great history of the real Stalag 17. by E.D. McKenzie
12 O'Clock high. They were more than brave with an expected life of three months or less!!
Title is wrong. At 1:29 the siloutte is clearly an Fw 190 not a Bf 109.
Just listen to those planes awesome
this is a clip from 1970s TV drama secret army !
Footage is from the WWII documentary "Memphis Belle".
Damn
I held my breath asy the end
The most brave guy's was to young for a car driver licence,but old enough to fly a heavy Bomber....
I think the intercom voices were redone post production based on words said, hence it sounds a bit flat. Hey its Hollywood at end of day making it for cinema newsreels.
Pretty amazing The Me.109 had a bigger gun ( propeller hub) than most tanks in 1939-40
@Glitchin Pikachu Not necessarily, the PzKpfw. I had 2 7mm machine guns and the PzKpfw II had 2 20mm machine guns.
20 mm nose cannon. The Me 262 had the formidable armament of 4 x 30 mm cannon in her nose.
@@marknorris1381 Me262 didn't see much service however, and didn't shoot many bombers down. 500 total sounds like a lot, but planes like the P-51 are recorded to have shot down 14,000 planes
Esos eran hombres de veras sin miedo a la.muerte. No importa el bando, ambos eran unos valientes
'To set forth in a silver lance to joust with the forces of darkness' (Captain Lockheed)🚫💥💥💥💥💥👍
Nice fighters!
Thank you Grandpa.
good dokument...
The Army Air Corp lost more men than the Marine Corp in WW2.
Idiots that encountered peace when drifting in the parachute or crash landing in Switzerland !
This is a clip from the Memphis Belle documentary
Brave men, thank you for protecting united States. You are the greatest generation...
Its sad that that last crew got out only to be shot when they were captured.
The only reason I can think of for wearing the helmet backwards is improved vision.
Bless them all….what brave awesome men
Falta la serie MASTER OF THE AIR...allí veremos relatos de sobrevivientes de la guerra en el aire...pronto
To Arian Sadej, The Messerschmitt ME 109 was an earlier model , later version toward the war's end was the BF-109! !😁
Wrong it's one and the same, technically the earlier versions would have to be called Bf Me 109, because they were called Me 109 but at some point Messerschmitt became part of the Bayrische Flugzeugwerke and all versions were "owned" by them. In the war, they were used interchangeably, even in german documents anyway, and imvho making a difference between the two is kind of stupid anyways.
Even German pilots referred to them as ME 109s as can be seen in the log books from the time.
These fucking guys are so calm and cool about be attacked....... real men
Technically BF-109’s because the original manufacturer was bought by Messerschmitt but that’s just a technicality
I suppose that stress emerges as PTSD later.
Falling one by one like drunken ducks
Is this actual audio? They really be this calm?
For some reason, I think I’d like to be a gunner on a B17 during either 1943 or 1944..
Propably a very calm job.
Seems damn near impossible shooting a tiny moving target with a machine gun.
Wondering how many of our planes were shot down by friendly fire?
Janice Parsons believe it or not. Not too many. The guns were used for attack planes/ fighter planes. Although a 50 bmg would rip through a b17 fuselage easy it was rare for friendly fire to actually cause a plane to crash do to bombing formations.
@@jmb2323 More probably went down due to midair collisions, either accidentally or after being shot down.
Bravery at its best --war at its worst...wasted youth
To Mr. Stefan Coentes, And yet you are able to speak your mind. In Germany during that time, would be jailed for making a statement